Why Did Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising Fail?

[@AlexanderEddy]

I played through this entire campaign - the campaign was pretty damn short and didn't really take advantage of the scale of the island or the combined arms.

[@robertproctor7771]

I call total BULL SHIT on you! this game is about 6 hours in length when you have the Sack to play it on Hard core. That,s the only way to play this MASTER PIECE. And that,s not even including the Bonus missions ether. Then one has the DLC that is about 3 hours long. So you really don,t know what your speaking about. I played this game when it 1st hit the shelves until Code master pulled the plug. There were 5 of us that played and done nothing but owned the STATS on the board to this game, from 09 till it,s passing. Their is nothing about any mission that I don,t know. And that,s not bragging at all, that,s just being up front honest.

[@swill689]

Robert Proctor Calm down..

[@nickysimi9866]

I love this game, unfortunately I got my hands on it in 2013 when the servers were already down. I agree that the campaign could have used more combined arms missions or vehicle focused missions. And I wish it was longer too, but it's a good game nonetheless

[@andyabel3072]

I agree, I think they just had some hardware limitations to be on the consoles. Going into the PS3 explore island or whatever there is soo much dead space that was not used in the game.

[@a.x.lpumax133]

Excuse me can someone tell me THE Differences about OP:Dragon Rising And OP:Red River? I need if they are the same or not? PLZ Help

[@bungholio1586]

Holy shit for eight years old this game is damn good looking

[@Smellynyx]

its looks great on the xbox 360 as well which is usually a surprise

[@LordTurtleneck]

It wasn't even good-looking for its time.

[@elibronson3501]

what was something "good looking" for this time, because this games visuals @2:50 kinda blew me away. I have a high end PC and i feel let down visually by 80% of the games i buy today.

[@raikouezio609]

Eli Bronson well you have horrible taste for games if you feel let down by 80% of them just cause the graphics are not up to your standard.

[@screwistic]

Yeah because it was made EIGHT YEARS AGO

[@jacquesfrancois4151]

This guy sounds like laslow the radio star from the GTA series

[@Madreizka]

I dunno but his microphone is way the fuck too loud. I can hear the waveform just crushing away.

[@pinkharmonica1312]

Lazlow actually a real radio host with his own show, pretty cool how he's been in the game for so long since at least vice city, probably earlier.

Also a guy from Greyscalegorilla too. I think he is him :P

[@floofymoo2377]

@@pinkharmonica1312 Chatterbox GTA3

[@185mma]

LOL!

[@RichardTownley]

The original Operation Flashpoint was my first open world experience and it blew me away. One mission stood out for me. US spec-ops mission to eliminate a Russian supply base in town far behind enemy lines. The player was given no path to follow, no hints nor cues, you were just placed with a silenced MP5, pistol, knife and night-vision about 15-20 km from the objective at night. I stumbled north and found my way to a road and waited there. Eventually a UAZ came by so I took out the two soldiers riding in it with my MP5 and stole it. With this I managed to drive within 2 km of the target relatively unhassled. I then got out and snuck into the town. After silencing most of the guard with pistol and knife, I heard a huge convoy arrive full of soldiers, trucks and a couple of BMPs. I thought I was finished, two hours of mission time wasted (no checkpoints in this game). Then I saw it - an MI-24 sitting in the middle of a lot. I ran across and jumped in, it was both refuelled and armed. I had never flown a helicopter in this game yet but I immediately started her up - I had eliminated all the enemy soldiers in the immediate surroundings and the convoy was fast approaching - I rose up into the air and spotted the convoy for the first time, clumsily manoeuvring the helicopter as I learnt the controls and lined the convoy up for a strafing run. I eliminated most of it in one run and then continued to circle, strafing the town until the objective was complete before flying back to my extraction point on the beach. This was 15 years ago FFS. The Operation Flashpoint series has had some amazing people working on it. I really enjoyed Dragon Rising too, especially the squad control and AI. For the first time with that game I sat back and directed my squad, micromanaging the combat. No other game had ever managed before, or since, to pull my away from solo combat and manage my squad. The Arma series wears the crown for modding, multiplayer, community. But Flashpoint is the daddy of today's Mil-sims and many of its features still haven't been bested by its successors.

[@justinsane3909]

I went from N64's GoldenEye to Operation Flashpoint and I too was blown away. When the level in GoldenEye introduced the tank, I told a friend that war games were coming, and I was right. I mostly remember being blown away on how using a mouse for a shooter was amazing. You could literally and quickly aim at a bloody pixel ffs. Going back to a console controller is a joke in comparison. I'm going to go and play that mission you mentioned, but one thing, are you sure you had a knife? I don't recall ever seeing that in game.

[@diogeneslantern18]

Surely you're not talking about the "original Operation Flashpoint" as that is Cold War Crisis - there were no knives nor pistols in that game. Pistols only got introduced with Resistance

[@justinsane3909]

PartiZAn18 Yes, we're talking about the original Operation Flashpoint, and don't call us Shirley.

[@zachtaylor2693]

Richard Townley hell yeah just making you're own missions made 100+ hours just messing around and having fun. Operation flashpoint the original was literally perfect for its time

[@jexlibris]

Yep, although you have some details wrong (no pistol, and not nearly so far from the objective) that mission still stands out as one of the most tense and best designed in the series. The other mission that stands out is the one where you are alone in the forest and trying to make your way to the evac point. So many ways to do it, so many ways to die.

[@Carbide195]

_BALETTO_ HEAL THAT _RIFLEMAN_

[@fancyfullwolfy-whoonamedgo8733]

This is Kirby... STICK A TAMPON IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@essteeeye1932]

SOTO Heal BALLETTO

[@oisingarvey1308]

+K Zackasee heading over Ugh Ahh I'm hit Doc I need some repairs Soto is hit This shit is Foxtrot Uniform

[@damienvandepol]

Allright, you cockwagglers , what does rule #7 stand for?

[@damienvandepol]

THIS IS KIRBY ENEMY HELO, FIFTY METERS FROM MY POSITION, SOUTH! SQUAD, GET IN THE VEHICLE! SOTO: AYE AYE, HEADING OVER TO YOU BALLETTO: NEGATIVE BALETTO, GET IN THE VEHICLE! BALETTO: ENEMY RIFLE MAN, 50 METERS, NORTH BALETTO, GET IN THE VEHICLE! BALETTO: AHW SHIT, I'M HIT, STICK A TAMPON IN IT, DOC!

[@Captain_fubar]

operation flashpoint project reality let's go

[@Captain_fubar]

Bluedrake42 fuk

[@-tr0n]

DO IT. BITCH.

[@boocomban]

+Bluedrake42 well i've seen community rework entirely call of duty mw2 servers. Alteriw do it well so i guess blue dick community can do it as well!

[@barboza8481]

boocomban how do I join the community? does it require rubber bands?

[@barboza8481]

that won't be a problem at all

[@OWNYOMAMA]

This was the closest thing I had to Arma on PS3, so yea this was amazing for me.

[@OWNYOMAMA]

But Red River pissed me off.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

OWNYOMAMA Why, because you can't tolerate causal racist remarks?

[@OWNYOMAMA]

Zoltan Csikos No that guy had me dying laughing everytime he opened his mouth. I was pissed because it had better graphics and smoother gameplay, but was dumbed down from the open world in Dragon Rising to a more generic linear FPS with no freedom.

[@FootprintsForTwoTravel]

I loved this game...

[@spike_-pw9iz]

same i tried to get it on steam a cuple days ago but had to refund it sadly becuase of fps stutter

[@blueguy3451]

Play it on ps3 you'll feel differently

[@rickmorrow1983]

Me too i thought it was awesome

[@IndianArma]

blue guy got introduced to it on ps 3 loved it, got it on PC, loved it more. And yes, I play Arma, like that too. This is a more polished gameplay experience in my opinion.

[@devenkerman9876]

@@spike_-pw9iz I still love this game. I played it today.

[@taxavoider9889]

I hate how awkward Arma can be. In CQC you can really feel how bad the controls are

[@priest9235]

The Professor for me, 1.4k hours on Arma 3, I reeeeeeally don't mind the Arma controls, stance modifier is slightly finicky but the thing that lets it all down is the overall responsiveness. Arma is seriously bad at small things.. Like opening doors, and walking up stairs, it hurts. Oh and then the performance lmao, I'm not expecting 120 fps constant, but at least 80 on a multilayer server should be achievable, not impossible.

[@taxavoider9889]

Priest, yeah, I mean long range the game works great. But the moment I step in a building...

[@Hitman2u4u]

The Professor very very very true

[@danielbartleson5746]

I like the controls, but getting 20-40 fps makes CQC frustrating to say the least.

[@moreproblematic]

It's actually not bad in buildings. Want to know why it's bad in a building? Because weapon lengths. You'll get caught on doors and things because the rifle is too long

[@Zipotricks]

11:07 That looks soo good like it couldve been taken from a trailer.

[@gungriffen]

Blue, stop saying "a quick video" in every video. You have never made a quick video.

[@dmdwst8787]

but ive jerked off pretty quick this video

[@rainyvideos3684]

He can say that because quick is a relative term. If for him quick is say 20 minutes, that that is quick for him.

[@bigdikdude4207]

Well his air refueling for dcs was pretty “quick”

[@TheBlackConservative1776]

this was such a good game

[@flosa1995]

If you ignore the horrible controls and animations.

[@thehavoccompany-a3]

floSa ­ As if ARMA 2 had good animations lol

[@GamezforNoobz]

DeadlyReconGamer Arma 2 was less sluggish and more responsive in every way.

[@thehavoccompany-a3]

***** As a person who played it for several years before ARMA 3, I will have to respectfully disagree with you when it comes to infantry movement.

[@GamezforNoobz]

DeadlyReconGamer ok

[@justinsane3909]

Still playing Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis, game play trumps graphics.

[@TheJayson8899]

Jim Stiles Unfortunately that game always crashes on me

[@justinsane3909]

Mr. Mojo Risin' It did back in the day. It was the ARMA of 2001, but now on a fairly modern laptop, it's totally playable with setting maxed out. The game play still holds up today imo.

[@diogeneslantern18]

And the mods! :} I've clocked more hours on CWC/Resistance than all my other games combined.

[@TalesOfWar]

Same. The mod scene was epic back then too before the community became a bunch of whiny, elitist mega cunts which forced a lot of the best modders to leave due to the drama. I lost interest in the whole series shortly after ArmA 1 because of this, as much as I still love the games. If you were around in the early days you may even recognise my user name. I ran one of the first mod teams from before the days of Buzzdozer and the ability to import your own models. Our first proper mod was a flipped M113 made to partially resemble an AAVP7A1. We had a ranger and marine pack too which was a retexture of the original infantry models.

[@diogeneslantern18]

Hi TOW - if I remember correclty you guys als odid an NBC skin? If so, it was one of my first mods - WAY back in the day

[@seanpipatkhajonchai4754]

The AI system alone looks great. What if the AI were as good as this but in that new WW2 shooter you talked about? When you said how it was going to be a bunch of bots with some real people in there. If each real person commanded a squad of their own. That seems kinda neat.

[@Spider-Too-Too]

i always want to have a realim setting shooter game when a bunch of bots fighting each other, as we the elite, (players) playing as squad leaders or special force.

[@seanpipatkhajonchai4754]

Conner Webb​ it's a lot better than most and if it was improved upon that could be used instead. edit:looks a lot better. Haven't tried myself so I'm prob wrong here

[@mintrose3399]

The AI in the game can actually be annoying as hell. Sometimes they're dumber as a bag of rocks, the next they're SpecialOpsRangerCAGDeltaSEALTACPPJ's a second later. For example, when I used to play, shooting the enemies were easy, they dropped like flies not even shooting back sometimes. But a later in another mission, they were all dead eyed snipers literally killing my entire squad under 5 minutes.

[@9SS94Cr]

As a Chinese, this game was really weird to play, mainly for its voice acting. I'm a-okay for gunning down Chinese soldiers in a war sim game, but the voice acting for Chinese soldiers was in an uncanny zone, that they have pretty good pronunciations and authentic accent, but the scripts they use were horribly translated.

[@Sidderix]

now you know how it is to a german. The american gamestudios have terrible voice actors for foreign language.

[@9SS94Cr]

Seb No, the voice acting is alright, good even. It's the translation and the script they were reading sound unnatural.

[@FirstLast-ko3qh]

I dunno why they dont seem to hire ethinic actors (who are a lot cheaper) with just one decent multi-lingual manager. There is so much young talent out there who are literally fighting for (indecent) exposure.

[@MrChri9595]

9SS94Cr Sounds pretty much like me playing any WW2 game. I am german btw. And don't even get me started about this angry unnatural accent we get in every game... XD

[@spanishnameisjesus]

Y'all Germans always sound so pissed in WW2 games, pretty funny tbh.

[@TaiganTundra]

I want Codemasters to give the OFP trademark back to Bohemia so that they can name Arma4 Operation Flashpoint 2, the REAL sequel.

[@devourerking23]

Death isn't flashpoint 2 out already though. not available in the US.

[@TaiganTundra]

Never heard of that. Link?

[@devourerking23]

pretty sure it is since I'm looking at it on Xbox one dashboard as I type this.

[@devourerking23]

@elevate

[@devourerking23]

red river

[@keechy1551]

To be fair Bluedrake, you are right. This game did fall short. However, the sequel to this game, Operation Flashpoint: Red River, is 10x worse.

[@bensmith2269]

what makes ya say so? I felt Red River had better AI and combat, and was all round less buggy and a bit more polished.

[@keechy1551]

Ben Smith Campaign was short and uninspiring. Had a great plot however. Multiplayer was abysmal. Completed changed the layout of the gameplay. No large scale battles. Just mission based multiplayer which was very boring. AI was good. Combat wasn't bad either. Just felt stripped rather than an improvement over Dragon Rising.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

Wayne Train Wrong on both accounts. Sorry kiddo. Perhaps infinite warfare is the thing for you?

[@keechy1551]

Zoltan Csikos It was my opinion. And no, I don't play Call of Duty anymore.

[@narreddarr8092]

but you sure sound like you do still.

[@HighlanderJosh]

This game was so realistic and tough to play. I wish it didn't die, I barely got to play any multiplayer.

[@haydenwinters6892]

Joshua Howland i still play multiplayer on this game lol

[@HighlanderJosh]

hayden winters Last time i checked out MP, it was super dead!

[@haydenwinters6892]

Joshua Howland you just aint patient then.

[@HighlanderJosh]

hayden winters lol im not going to sit and wait 30 mins for 1-2 people to show up online

[@haydenwinters6892]

Joshua Howland lol ive played in full lobbys before 😂

[@gungriffen]

Anyone else keep hearing the fucking velociraptors in the grass?!

[@gungriffen]

The bird sound is same sound bit used in Jurassic Park The Lost World during the Raptor scene in the field.

[@sirorlandodecorsica6210]

Gungriffen it is called a loon. look it up.

[@christianmendez8321]

DON'T GO INTO THE LONG GRASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@quimble2177]

You brought up BIA Blue....I want a new one :( such a pain in the ass cliff hanger in Hells Highway but I think Gearbox died out because of furious Four which sucks, I was so ready for one set in the Ardennes. FUCKING GEARBOX

[@diobrando2575]

Connor Quarmby better yet make one based on band of brothers goes from normandy to carentan and all that shit and have the real names like winters malarkey gonorrhea all that.

[@quimble2177]

Dio Brando well that would be cool but I want that damn cliff hanger to go away; Leggit; tell me Mathew how can you handle snow? Baker: I can handle snow. Seriously, then they go release furious four and after that gearbox died,I mean it's the best time to make a new one isn't it? They've got the PS4 and XBOX-1 GOD FUCKING DAMMIT IT PISSES ME OFF

[@UglyFatNerd]

Connor Quarmby That game was canceled

[@quimble2177]

Matthew C yeah, I know. It what stops them from picking it up were it left off, that being hells highway.

[@quimble2177]

Dio Brando it wouldn't be as good now that I think of it, no company can recreate the atmosphere now, I mean yeah o reckon GEARBOX could have pulled it of but they no longer exist.

[@Blank137]

My fiance goes to uni doing a game dev course, and one of her tutors worked on OF: Red River. He talks about it quite a bit, if there's any interest I can see if I could write a list of what he's said so far.

[@Bayomeer]

WHAT MAX SAID!!!

[@Grinix0]

red river was garbage, you were literally on rails the whole time.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

Grinix What a crock of fucking shit. Red River was an excellent game; much better than pieces of shit like BF1 and Infinite Warfare. If you want to run around and look at people's backyards or waste time, then go play GTA. You can do whatever you like in there.

[@Grinix0]

Zoltan Csikos go play one of those arcade light gun games then, if you like to be on rails.

[@australianword3812]

@@zoltancsikos5604 except that wasn't what Operation Flashpoint was about

[@warriorofshadows443]

I'd like to see you do more of these types of videos. Sort of "exploring" games that were disappointing and show what they did wrong.

[@indskab]

...Medal of Honor Warfighter suffered the same fate.

[@perceptibleperception8733]

Indskab Medal of honor has nothing on Op flashpoint!!!!

[@jerodwolf5582]

Zaider Lord he's not referring to the game, he's referring to the arrogance of the publishers for both games.

[@Looserkid13]

Both tremendously great games and very underrated. MoH had a great story i teared.

[@стрелок-ч7р]

@@Looserkid13 medal of Honor was dogshit

[@Looserkid13]

@@стрелок-ч7р it had a nice linear story. was great at the time. i pirated it anyways, enjoyed it all.

[@mohaglade4892]

omg finaly someone who know and like this game i played flashpoint multiplayer until it dies

[@spencerorloff6689]

Same

[@Paul939]

Me too, co op was fun.

[@JukemDrawles87]

me too, it was all i played despite the lag and the dumb AI the game in co-op and versus was so fun

[@tylerpfaff8633]

moha glade did thwy shut down the servers lately? on xbox i played it a couple months ago

[@Paul939]

The servers were shut down like 2 years ago on the pc version.

[@Forcemaster2000]

My problem with this game was a mission later on, where you and your squad had to capture a small village, then defend that same village until help arrives. I've never been able to get past that mission, and there are no cheats or GOD mode to get past it, so basically I've never experienced most of the single-player campaign! I'd install this game and play it right now if I could get past that level, the game still looks and plays great even after 8 years!

[@snavelaer]

I know what you mean. What I did was holding the right side with my squad. So basically you stopped flanking enemies. They came through the Woods from lower ground and than came into the village. So if you were positioned in the village you were overrun but if you stay just outside the village on the right you could see them coming. Hope it helps.

[@TruSpec_Gaming]

Forcemaster2000 if I remember right you can divide the fire team up leave 2 in village then you and your battlebuddy go into the woods and flank them then just stick to the woods as you go up to destroy the towers

[@Forcemaster2000]

***** If I remember, it's been awhile, I believe I always wound up disabling the APC. Frankly I never thought about trying to appropriate it, that's a pretty good idea!

[@me-dj8ky]

Forcemaster2000 a Just set up your guys but focus yourself on the beachfront breach, they try to sneak to your right flank

[@thehighpeaks]

git gud

[@lucyevadnemalchiel3634]

FUN FACT: Skira Island is a real island on North Pacific, South Bering Sea, called Kiska. The lore on this game is so good for me as well.

[@theultimatedab1594]

do you guys remember delta force?

[@adamrubino178]

sports nerd Delta Force BHD was amazing!

[@kainhall]

the problem i had with dragon rising was...... the FOV......it just made me sick..the gun should not be that close to your face.... plus, i already spent the "learning curve" time for arma2s controls.....once you learn arma 2, its not a bad system i felt it wanst as realistic as arma also.... sure, the AI pathing and nodes are MUCH better....but when arma 2 AI works, its amazing....and my friends mostly PVPed if dragon rising had mods.....it would have been played a LOT more... but, its just looked at as a console simplification of arma 2

[@spencerstevens2175]

That "color" palette probably didnt help.

[@IMDRUNK75]

yeah I'm pretty sure it didn't help

[@joechinchar9833]

Ésus but this was back in the day when grey and green shooters (like COD 4 modern warfare) were the rage, so it makes sense

[@spencerstevens2175]

***** ya there are two or three colors so I guess the plural applies

[@zarnold1995]

Spencer Stevens lol go to kiska island(the real life island this game used terrain data from), it isn't beautiful and colorful in real life, it's usually frozen and bleak.

[@DameWhoGames623]

damn if arma had AI like this, that would be legit

[@PartyNearTheDoorKBR]

Fuck part about it is all this week i've been binge playing Arma and my only frustration has been the A.I. Then i watched this video, remembered Flashpoint existed, and i feel enlightened.

[@hunterlennel8906]

only game that's good on console... wish they would do shit for consoles now :'(

[@acvfun]

but consoles ruined this title, too much compromise.

[@hunterlennel8906]

Ya But Next isnt coming out with Arma grade warfare experience instead we get EA's Battlefield (Ew)

[@vladymirvonrootintutin6618]

I mean PC and consoles are equal now because PC nearly died and the reason was consoles

[@hunterlennel8906]

Fuk ya! Going to be gr8

[@Delta1296pt2]

acvfun What are you talking about? Its the same and the developers would've made it the same way,regardless of whether it was on console or not.

[@firefightingcardguy3436]

Multiplayer was the thing I loved on Operation Flashpoint

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

AI in Flashpoint legacy was always on point ! I remember being chased in "After Montignac" by extremely agressive AI ! And Cold War Crisis is damn old !!!

[@apropercuppa8612]

Claudy_Focan CWC is the original OFP..

[@apropercuppa8612]

Claudy_Focan Never mind, I'm getting it mixed up with ArmA : Cold War Assault, which people confuse for an ArmA game and not the original.

[@luca04082002]

i'm here to clear things up, okay? the original game is called Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis, but bohemia, still having the rights to the game, after breaking up with codemasters, they renamed the game to Arma: Cold War Assault, and added support for modern machines.

[@australianword3812]

Plot twist: the AI is actually the devs just playing the game with you

[@benpotter6832]

I remember how disappointed I was at this game. The original was amazing, I spent hours playing the missions and on the mission creator with all the missed items. The original was way ahead of its time.

[@6packonlyripped604]

Lol

[@septemtrionis.]

I still play it and literally there's a 0.010% Chance of me finding a player in multiplayer XD

[@Kristobro]

Add me Broadydudester1

[@alexzandate5807]

I liked certain parts of the game, I never got past that one mission where you had to sabotage a refueling station.

[@The120mmSabot]

Alex Zandate the stealth mission?

[@alexzandate5807]

I think that's the one. I'd always had to deal with elite troops whenever I finished sabotaging the refueling station.

[@zarnold1995]

Alex Zandate haha that's the best mission man, it's the only one that gives me a true adrenaline rush when there's 50 pla within 100m and tracers come from all sides

[@Stormcrow41]

Dude, I played the dragon rising singleplayer back when I was a kid and it was awesome. It was shocking to have a first person shooter that didn't hold your hand (back when I was a casual console gamer) and I got frustrated but it was worthwhile to get through the campaign on the hardest difficulty. I used to daydream at school about how I could get through the missions as efficiently as possible without dying. And this game was intuitive to me as a middle schooler, which is really saying a lot.

[@helvetwarrior]

eight years?? Whaaaaaat? Damn I thought it was like five years old!

[@n.i.t.f919]

Bluedrake42 XD I was in first grade in 2009

[@pelvist]

The game was limited by the console centric design choices. Like the original Operation Flashpoint games and the Arma series has shown, a game like Dragon Rising relies heavily on user generated content in order for it to have any lasting appeal and any chance at a successful sequel. This was ruined by the multi platform pipeline development that Codemasters continue to use while developing their games and the tiny amount of RAM and processing power of the 360 and PS3 meant that the PC version which was the only version of the game that had any chance of ever becoming anything was limited by the same restrictive factors. I speak from experience of being a content developer for both the OFP:DR and Arma games in the past.

[@blademirlima4708]

I have nightmares knowing that Codemasters killed the Operation Flashpoint franchise, I absolutely loved them. Arma? They are good, but something is missing and Bohemia can't realize it...... I agree with everything you said, brother! Even the old ones are pure gold and very challenging.

[@chrisnolan1438]

It's still up on xbox, its backwards compatible FYI

[@yashwinning]

Holy fuck this game is 8 years old???When you first showed the game I confused it with the Red River sequel that is like 5 years old now and I was like "damn the graphics held up really well I can't believe this game is 5 years old like look at that beautiful field" and then I realized you were talking about the much older 2008 game and I was blown the fuck away.Like, forget the graphics. Look at that fucking UI, it's BEAUTIFUL. Back in those times UIs were clunky and kinda ugly, but the UI in Dragon Rising is just so damn beautiful. The yellow matches perfectly. The font is beautiful. The design is amazing. The team who worked on that game truly were a talented bunch.

[@IllMind3d]

I bought this game before I even played any games online.. and I fucking loved both Dragon Rising and Red River.. I dont even know what it was about it, I was bad at them but the immersion and the "tactical-ness" just made it so fun like fuck

[@KhaosInductionCreator]

*The AI designer in this game...I he...he MUST be a genius* *Me sitting here with 3 dead soldiers because they wouldn’t follow me up into the building and instead chose to stay outside and get shot into cheese by the enemy APC*

[@hussar1681]

Codemasters were masters of failure. OPF:DR is THE biggest disappointment I ever had with a game ever. It just didn't felt like the original Operation Flashpoint anymore. Perhaps if it wasn't named OPF:DR, it wouldn't be such a big disappointment but since it was named as such, they couldn't avoid expectations. I think that among many problems I had with this game, was the consolish tone down of the gunplay really. It felt fake. "Plastic" if I could say so. It was making me absolutely cringe. Design, story, ui (and more) wise this game had a huge potential I'll admit, but they just dumbed it all down too much.

[@TheGamingPile]

Me and my brother loved to play this game when we were younger :) but it was released for ps3 and xbox360 and games like operation flashpoint and arma are made for pc, not casual console gaming.

[@futuremarine3794]

Nathan Hogan Casual? Get a life.

[@funkymunky7935]

Triggered

[@tylerpfaff8633]

Nathan Hogan its reverse compatible on Xbox one

[@TheJesusNacho]

I really love how the ai squad works in rainbow six vegas 2

[@VitariusLaszlo]

well it easy to make the ai understand small linear maps but its hard to make them understand how to use every cover in a big island

[@TalesOfWar]

Indeed. This game also only has like 5 tree and building models lol. I may be being a bit too generous on the number of tree models.

[@kasperlindstrom9990]

I remember completing this on the highest difficulty, I was overjoyed! I just loved how easy it was to play and how some of the objectives had a ton of ways to approach'em. Hated the FOV though,

[@davecrupel2817]

I dont know HOW the *FUCK* your AI were so competant, but mine weren't. they'd wander around in circles with their thumbs up their asses, theyd walk right towards the enemy, and get killed. they didnt know what they were doing, and i stopped relying on them. i ordered them to go to other sides of the map, then id snipe them, then complete the mission myself. the ai frusterated me to *NO* end.

[@piRaufasertapete]

Daniel Cannata You can give them commands? it worked quite well for me

[@definitelyjustcj4148]

I love this game but sometimes for me the AI is a bit janky. For example one time I was playing the beginning mission and we were assaulting the position where the lighthouse and APC is and I told my Anti Tank man to fire on the APC and ambush the whole enemy squad. Well the dumbass got behind a stack of logs and fired and blew himself to pieces and instantly got my whole team killed me included 💀

[@zujek7409]

OMG i have flashbacks from this game when i watch it. That was one of the best games ever

[@pekswe8638]

man those graphics are really up to par for being from 2009

[@pekswe8638]

also i played operation flashpoint on xbox 360

[@CrysisMachinima]

Oh my god, one of my favorite failed games and military sims. I can't believe you played this.

[@psramrod3]

Loved this game, and it's sequel Red River. Both of them needed way more love than they got, from a critical and development standpoint.

[@DownrightCynical]

The AI on this game is actually horrendous, even with mods that improve it. It is pretty well documented that this game has braindead AI, especially the enemy AI.

[@groundshakersociety6637]

DownrightCynical The AI are actually really good in this game.

[@killianlile173]

DownrightCynical Depends on the difficulty... They did what Arma did and if you play on Easy they basically insulted you by making the AI stupid. They didn't do it nearly as bad as ARMA (in ARMA 2 on Very Easy the AI will just stand and look at you), but it's a MilSim...

[@DownrightCynical]

xDeathxWishx24x I am talking about the team AI. I have the AI overhaul mod on the hardest difficult and even then the game has terrible AI. This is also coming from someone who had over 1,000 hours on DR via the PS3 version years ago.

[@obi-wankenobi9871]

The game is 8 years old and was made by a small studio. What do you expect? The AI here isnt smart, i will give you that, but the AI does exactly what you want it to do and it doesnt do it bad.

[@DownrightCynical]

Phoenix My expectations are irrelevant, I was just objecting to the claim that the AI on this game is good, because that is hardly the truth. It is misrepresented in this video, play the game yourself in see. I was just playing today and I pressed the medic button 10 times while my teammate stood there the entire time and watched me bleed out without applying the field dressing.

[@TSHKKRipper]

I completely agree with you. This game would be a legend. It had a big potential.I have a group of friends which is actually a virtual fighter squadron (BMS 4.33). We still play this game in coop mode. It is a big pleasure for us.

[@NeyJohn]

I played this game on Xbox 360 with some friends, everyone has enjoyed, hope some day we see something like this game again

[@nathanbatson9362]

seriously this used to be my favorite game until all the multi-player servers got abandoned and no one played. the gameplay in campaign is also awesome... you could even call in a JDAM.

[@JanT]

I miss the OFP LAN party days!

[@literallysquidward7170]

Calls it Band of Brothers, checks, reads Brothers in Arms, calls it Brothers of Arms, fine Bluedrake, fine, you win.

[@andyabel3072]

Wow its 2019 days from 2020 I just logged off of arma 3 and I was just thinking about how much i missed the AI in OPFPDR, Watching the ai move literally blew me away I remembered them being better than ARMA 3 but forgot how much better. I really loved the full control I felt I had with just the controller reticle selector thing. This game was only really stifled because the american population was still totally obsessed with COD they literally thought any other shooter was an attempted rip off of call of duty or halo or maybe battlefield. A decade later and i have never seen bounding AI like that. that code clearly had threat direction and i bet every item laid has a cover or concealment tag or attribute to them. That AI was actually scary at times. I have heard rumors that AI is not getting that much better because some companies that make software for the military/s are contracted to NOT make it better. I could see some truth to this in some respects its either known or speculated that BOHE has a branch used for military and made VB2. I also believe that BOHE is an incredibly toxic company just from the head to the toes. They are extremely arrogant and defensive about anything, I'm willing to bet there is a very bad culture there. Everything that causes their failure's seems to make sense to me.

[@sdddit333]

I am from Arma 3 and playing this game for a day make me think the AI much better

[@oban6051]

I played this on 360 when I was little and always looked back on it fondly. I'd love to see you play more of it.

[@russellstone2047]

you just had to shoot 😀. in Arma 3 the AI can't get out of buildings.

[@TheOrginalGir]

My biggest issue with the game is that it took a huge steep back from the orginal console Operation Flash Point: Elite. Elite had around 30 main missions, I guess you could say it had a second game in it that had 15-20 missions taking place around the citizens and them rising up, and then like 20 more odd side missions. It's the one thing I miss about the days or the orginal xbox and PS2, full games and maybe some bonus content.

[@zeMasterRuseman]

because it wasn't made by the people who made the original flashpoint game. codemasters just stole their name and created a knockoff. the real sequel to the original OFP is the ARMA series.

[@blessedpeas]

The repetitive dying in seemingly unbeatable situations that I'd come up against at the same point in a level was what stopped me from playing through the campaign on Dragon Rising. I remember one mission you and your squad had to get to an enemy occupied compound at the bottom of a long sloping hill. All you had at the start of the mission was 3 magazines for your rifle. In order to get down there you had to suppress the guys shooting at you. Of course each time I would either get a lethal wound since I was in open ground or I'd run out of ammunition and again get shot and die. Couldn't get any further through the campaign- very very frustrating. Maybe it would have been different playing with actual people in my squad so I could get better revives but I never did figure out that level

[@neuzdost1939]

Dragon rising was inovative, perfect simulator and I love it. Red River was a really bad arcade style fail and you should talk about it as a "Fail" in the first place.

[@hellcatdave1]

Innovative how? It did nothing that ArmA didn't.

[@TalesOfWar]

I take it you never played the original OFP: Cold War Crisis and Resistance then? Or the ArmA series? Dragon Rising was better than Red River, but that isn't exactly a high bar. DR got a few things right, most of it was piss poor though.

[@hellcatdave1]

TalesOfWar Especially those helicopter blade animations. Straight out of a 2001 game.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

RENEGADE Motorsport On the contrary.

[@Pedestrian777]

Great summary man! Recognized MANY of the points you make in my own thoughpatterns!

[@YourAscents]

Arma won because it had better support.

[@perceptibleperception8733]

IWannabeJew For sure, but Arma is not on consoles!!

[@YourAscents]

Zaider Lord Operation Flashpoint: Elite was awesome, too.

[@Hazzard65]

Arma won because it had 12 years of engine development behind it.

[@TalesOfWar]

And developers who care about more than just making a quick buck. Codemasters only pushed this shit out because they had a messy split with BIS and they wanted to put a dampener on the release of ARMA by using the established brand as selling power. The thing mostly failed because of the niche nature of these kind of games. Most of the people interested in them knew the story behind it all so they didn't really care so much for what Codemasters did and instead went with BIS and the ARMA series.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

TalesOfWar What a crock of utter shit.

[@BluewaterCreativeFL]

The other thing they did with this game is modeled how soldiers use the various weapons with actual soldiers and the various weapons. If it takes you two seconds to load a certain weapon in real life it will take that same time here. For instance when you have to load and antitank round it takes almost 30 seconds so u have to reallly be setup for ambushes etc

[@matthewmelange]

The only problem I see with this game is that you're playing as a CSM and you're only in charge of 4 dudes. lol

[@John--Silver]

Its supposed to be marsoc type guys, when you play as the normal grunts you get a platoon.

[@matthewmelange]

Alright, wrong branch on my part but he's still an E-9 in charge of only 4 dudes, lol Maybe I would believe an E-8 but still I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

[@TalesOfWar]

It's a limitation of the game engine. It can't really handle all that much which is another reason it failed even compared to the original OFP. You had a limit of 4096 units per faction in OFP. If your machine, the server and everyone else's rig could handle this then the engine would run it. There were 4 factions in OFP. West, East, Civilian and Resistance (who could be friendly to any or all, or none of the others). In terms of scale OFP was massively ahead of its time. I remember CTI (capture the island) games that would go on for hours with like 50 other players (and hope you don't drop out as there was no join in progress back then). It was so satisfying being part of a team that worked together with proper roles. I always ended up being a taxi of sorts lol. I'd shuttle troops and equipment around the map in a Blackhawk or HIP (if playing as the Soviets) and fly like 3m above the deck haha. Good times. You couldn't do any of this kind of thing in the Codemasters OFP, it was way too limited. Plus there was a tether range limit to the host (no dedicated servers as far as I remember) of I think 2km, or something else pretty pathetic given the map size so if you went beyond this you'd be teleported back in range or die depending on the way the mission was set up. It's an utter joke. If you play it single player all the time then you don't run into these kind of things, but if you played it as MP even semi seriously you'd see just how much of a failure this game was.

[@carlos89784]

I bought the Red River one for Xbox 360, one of the only three games I ever bought for console (Red Dead Redemption and GTA IV). My favorite game of all times is Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis. Loved to play as Victor Troska and to kill, as Armstrong, General Guba. Fuck I love the game. The small pine trees in the game get decorated when it's Christmas.

[@TalesOfWar]

Victor was from Resistance. I always thought he was voiced by Pierce Brosnan lol. I also loved how the face of Guba was the Codemasters CEO of the time.

[@carlos89784]

TalesOfWar hahahah I didn't know that last part

[@NATESOR]

mic is pretty overloaded in this vid, friend.

[@robertpersons8370]

They was also a system for controlling multiple units of AI and a system for ordering individual soldiers to do what ever, but I never could use it easily.

[@cmsworld5591]

my favorite game of all time( played it all the time with my cousins back in 2012 or 2011 i think) it was an awesome coop game sad to say it didnt do well :( i liked how your character reacts depending on where you get hit it was like medal of honor pacific assault but better

[@PartyNearTheDoorKBR]

The shit the Marines say in certain situations made me happy. Like when they'd freak the fuck out.

[@abcdefghij7772]

carl benz dude I used to play this game with my cousin too! Probably our favorite game we played

[@abcdefghij7772]

carl benz this game and also Rainbow six Vegas 2

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

I both played the Arma II and Dragon Rising demo on Steam recently. This game is amazing, it blows Arma (III does seem truly improved actually) out of the water. What a shame it was held back by the issues you mentioned, I only hope Arma IV (hopefully with an entirely new engine) will be as good as this, but have the Arma community support.

[@Ozzianman]

I was not able to enjoy Dragon Rising due to the low FOV. Makes me motion sick.

[@seb24789]

That old already? I remember reading previews about this in Gamestar. Damn i feel old^^

[@killslay]

my only memories of this game was emptying whole clips at enemies, missing everything before being one shot killed repeatedly.

[@Zero_hk]

8:22 Potty found??? One of theirs??? Lmao.

[@crocodile8626]

LOL

[@Walamonga1313]

GG Man Body, I think

[@Longjocks]

My pain with this series is deep since I moderated the official forums since CWC (first hosted by a third-party network before Codemasters created their own) and even ran a fan site. I loved the original and put many years into it and the community, only to have Codemasters try to take too big a slice of the COD/BF pie at the expense of what made OFP great in the first place. I agree with this video in that the modding was a core issue. Meanwhile BIS went in a different direction and played on OFP's strengths, but at the same time never really addressing the weaknesses. So many problems that existed in the original OFP are still in ARMA 3 today.

[@kennykroger6004]

Playing this on the xbox is so fucking hard

[@DCGMatthew1]

You're just shit, it's okay, you just gotta get good.

[@kennykroger6004]

matthew weston I am not good at video games, I'm good at school, and going to work, and good at playing lacrosse, and staying in shape.

[@kennykroger6004]

matthew weston I am not good at video games, I'm good at school, and going to work, and good at playing lacrosse, and staying in shape.

[@kennykroger6004]

matthew weston And it's the stuff that you cannot control like the aim sensitivity (the reason it's hard for me because I'm used to a slower aim sensitivity) that's the reason I find it harder. I just got this game free for Xbox gold. Fun but hard

[@gs325jcbd]

Kenny Kroger get good

[@BennyDYT1]

I totally agree with you. It really is shame that both companies are such opposites of each other since if they literally were together more tight it would mean their games would be absolutely flawless in every way. But as you said, even without that, if the modding community would be there for Dragon Rising and source code more free for all the creative people out there, it would definitely have a different fate compared to what it got to now. As someone who played the very first Cold War Crisis Flashpoint, i was very curious about this one back then and thought " Oh shit, continuation " But there was just something missing, since it was lead by Codemasters this time instead of Bohemia so you could really see and feel the difference, something was off and you just knew it was not the exact type of game that should have that name unless Bohemia would be involved more in it. Regardless Arma and Flashpoint will always remain these really cool gems even tho they both might miss out on things from each other that they could benefit from. it almost makes you want to throw a party for both companies and say " Yo guys... lets connect and work on games together instead of dividing shall we? " x D

[@pccalcio]

Voice acting was better in the original O.F.

[@cancolakoglu4355]

great video im curious what do you think about the red river

[@jwhmb]

Contact, raffleman, 100 meters. south

[@DarkSideSixOfficial]

how you died to the AI then wasn't even something to be pissed about. That AI was more skilled then my entire real life squad. XD

[@THODORISKK]

wow a game that the ai actually works and does something useful

[@cardboard_shaft]

anybody else notice how the grenade launchers had almost no drop to them? you could snipe with 40mm HE from 300 meters away

[@Trazynn]

Looks like fun but a military sim is indeed nothing without the modding community.

[@Void304]

I played the campaign of Dragon Rising (cooperatively) with two friends when it was new. We all liked the way the missions played out. As you say, the game is "polished", but we felt that what Codemasters tried to pass off as an online experience was pretty awful (NO dedicated servers???). Once we finished the missions, there really wasn't anything else to do, so we moved on....to ArmA.

[@soletrainThuer]

We need games just like arma, squad, and insergency on the console s

[@Mbuzz49x]

This was my first Military SIM and i love that you can command your guys to do anything

[@Spider-Too-Too]

Such as the company that holds back frostbite engin. haha

[@Spider-Too-Too]

you member hardline? AKA Police mode for BF3?

[@44Nail]

Tell me more

[@merrick3627]

This is the first game where I got section attacked by the enemy. I got busted on a stealth mission, and the enemy used smoke to cover movement, and BOUNDED INTO ME across fields. I got suppressed and flanked and I wasn't even mad about it

[@peadardonnelly1685]

Still one of my fav games..

[@_.l4n3]

I got this game about a year ago through the Codemaster's bundle, and honestly, I haven't played it all that much. Dragon Rising is like having an awesome, pretty girlfriend who has horrible parents.

[@unger4132]

I still used to play the shit out of this game.

[@noconnection1839]

FrostyFooy yeah the same way id play the fuck out of this game. 😂

[@grizscrumptious2868]

One of the only complaints I have of this great game was that the map size was huge for the game yet never fully used especially the stratovolcano on the right side or the salt plains, second naval base, etc...

[@matthewebert3955]

Why did it fail, maybe because of the long ass name?

[@p4nnus]

There was little to no content after COOP, no modsupport, so many game breaking bugs and if I remember correctly some of them were only fixed in a dlc that cost money. There were other things too, but these are the first that I remember.

[@p4nnus]

Zoltan Csikos Are you serious? :D You do realise that Arma 2 still thrives, more than this game did or ever will, because of mods. It was released 8 years ago... 8 years! Not to even speak about how DayZ, originally a one man made MOD, made Arma 2 surface again when it was already 4 years old. It topped Steams most popular list for a long time when DayZ mod got popular! Just to underline how youre making a fool of yourself with your comment, I wanna tell you that I bought this on x360 when it was released. I had played and loved the original Operation Flashpoint on PC back in the early 2000's so ofc I wanted to see a next gen version of it. Then this abomination came and it was nothing like was promised and nothing like the original OFP! Why is this meaningful, you might think. I wasnt expecting mod support for the game as I was a console player at the time. It was the game breaking bugs, laggy and broken MP and lack of content that destroyed the game for me and all my friends who bought it.

[@matthewebert3955]

Ha i started this comment as a joke but then i turned into a real discussion/argument.

[@p4nnus]

Right...