Why did our R35 GT-R Engine Blow Up? So Much Carnage in the VR38 - Motive Garage

[@brendo7363]

Pretty upset I wasn't contacted to diagnose the failure, do you know how many videos I've watched on cars? How many hours I have in NFS Most Wanted?

[@pullmyniblets]

What do you reckon it was bud that shit it's self The rotor housing?

[@negativeindustrial]

@@pullmyniblets 100% it’s definitely the rotor housing that lunched itself on that GT-R’s Gallo 24 engine.

[@JohnPedder]

I'm upset too, but hey let's just throw money at it and rebuild it lol yaaaayyy

[@kierenalvarez]

R35 wasn't even in MW. I have played Forza 3 and 4 so he knows he can count on me instead!

[@slickstrings]

Wear gloves guys. Mechanics are over represented in deaths from cancers like lymphoma from exposure to fuels and solvents. Rip timmo.

[@teeroi84]

🇦🇺 mate!! She b right 🦾

[@jasonhall5101]

But gloves are gay tho bro

[@liddz434]

@@jasonhall5101what’s with the homophobia?!

[@brian6speed]

@@liddz434your comment is ghey.

[@peterjewell9436]

So true I was in the game full time for over 20+plus years and I have been fighting a leukaemia now for the past 16 years.back then there was no thought of wearing any sort of ppe and no form of work cover will recognise it I tell any young getting into the auto game glove up and use your protection and get the crap off your self asap👍

[@liamjohnson8497]

Nissan gods giving you a test of your loyalty bigtime on this one! Can't wait for the development vids with the fresh engine

[@tkkk20]

I’m calling it a dropped valve, classic case tbh

[@MotiveVideo]

It could have been. No evidence to say if it is or it isnt

[@driftpig2462]

@@MotiveVideo you see the other inlet valve sitting pretty good considering, while the exhaust valves defiantly have hit the piston. it is a tell tale right there more than likely the missing inlet valve dropped

[@sammiecaisley]

@@tkkk20 totally agree. If it broke a rod the piston would have stayed in the bore. This thing dropped a valve which bounced around the bore leaving obvious valve impressions all over the bore.

[@Stiffkovic]

I’ve done some pretty rural shit in my time, but that battery next to the fuel was very keen 😂🫡 lynch would be proud

[@ametti000]

That was one tiny spark away from a bombsite on the 6pm news...maybe it wasn't fuel.

[@lukecollins7965]

Why would it blow up? Might catch alight, but wouldnt blow up.​@ametti000

[@sabu1297]

@@ametti000 you watch too many movies

[@negativeindustrial]

@@lukecollins7965 Was the fuel contained in any way?

[@MotiveVideo]

Its not a hollywood movie: Could drop a cigarette or match into it and not light up.

[@satanaz]

my mate paul told me the issue is that gasoline when burned inside the cilindder makes a lot of pressure, and sometimes the piston and rod don't feel like taking that overwhelming pressure anymorebecause of depression and they just end their lives... so sad. rip in piece little rod guy :( if you are stuggling with depression, please call 911

[@mediocre_moto]

Quick tip: When you're doing a pump bench test like this with exposed fuel vapour (not a great idea to start with), do the final power connection at the battery side and not at the pump. If there's a spark when you touch the wire at the pump end you'll have more than a holed block to worry about.

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

THEY ARE NOT USING FUEL = it`s injector flow stuff = not flamable !

[@racecrashrepeat]

Jesus lol...that is very valid. Almost lucky

[@mediocre_moto]

@@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm No, sorry mate. @3:01 Andrew specifically says "I've got a container full of petrol..."

[@tkkk20]

@@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm Dude clearly stated he was using petrol lol

[@emilkuttel1]

Na , Thats when you pull the pack of camels from your rollled up t-shirt sleeve and light it with a zippo. Harden up buttercup!

[@oyurcha1]

Keyboard engine expert incoming. Judging by the abundance of those marks on the cylinder wall, the valve head gave out way before the rod did.

[@angelacosta7673]

I agree, those sodium filled valves can fail. Rods have been pushed to over 800 wheel horsepower before they bend and they still run fine when bent for years after!! These engines don't randomly break

[@beaubear6516]

Agree

[@davidyang577]

I was thinking the timming chain slip or stretched, and that piston went straight into the head.

[@andreyt1436]

Yep only logical explanation

[@N4CR]

yeah you can see the perfectly clean and unusual failure on the valve stem, it had a material failure.

[@HashiriyaSquadron]

I reckon you simply dropped a valve and the rest was a chain reaction going off the damage to that one cylinder.

[@MotiveVideo]

Potentially, yes

[@pedrovalenzuela616]

Part of me was asking why you would just go back to a stock motor, but then realized wait this is Andrew! He wants to take us step by step and show us the progress of every little upgrade along the way. Keep up the great content man! Can you guys build a car to attend World Cup Finals in the USA for next year?

[@racecrashrepeat]

Well stock blocks weakness is the Rod. So doing a good rotating assembly in the cast block is good for what? 1600hp or more? No reason to go billet straight away. Many many adventures before that's needed.

[@Legotruck82]

that fuel pump test rig makes me nervous. Spraying fuel in the air using alligator clips to complete the circuit that can spark....yikes. I'll just imagine it wasn't fuel, just yellow water.

[@jarrod1687]

Don't let fear rule your life

[@Legotruck82]

@@jarrod1687 I don't. I work in high risk environments and have dangerous hobbies. But I'm of the belief you can do dangerous tasks safely

[@Mr_jz_12]

@@jarrod1687 saw the results of something like that test that went wrong. Thats shit you dont want to see or go through thats for sure.

[@MotorSwapDan]

I almost caught my parents house on fire but sticking a fuel pump in a container then jumping it at the pump. The spark set it all on fire and we scrambled to get it away from the garage

[@retardedcheesewheel2921]

​@@jarrod1687Don't let fire burn your workshop down. Logic/10

[@sammiecaisley]

How do you get it was a conrod fail? Generally if they break a rod the piston is left in the top of the bore. I’m calling valve fail, all of the indents in the bore are from that valve head smashing around and this destroyed the piston

[@devworth]

I see a bunch of Forbidden Glitter and some piston McNuggets. IFYKYK. Looking forward to the build guys!

[@andynater1885]

I stand by my comment from the previous episode - It was likely tuned at some stage meaning much more pressure on the bottom end, they flashed it back to stock and sold the car. Rod let go from fatigue.

[@antonjimmy5636]

There wasn't any damage you'd see from detonation on the ring lands or bearings and no teltale oil starvation (crank isnt blued by lack of lubrication causing heat), so I'm thinking it's more that sometimes things just fail

[@Low760]

​@@antonjimmy5636could have thrown bearings at it?

[@antonjimmy5636]

@Low760 the crank and bearings were fine, it looked more like the little end sized in the piston, or there could've been a flaw in the conrod and that's where the failure started

[@JDMz]

Lol

[@michaelb5330]

Think going to the USA where they have the 35 gtr really well developed you’ll find a motor or at least the options of different combinations you can fit in a suitcase to bring back in pieces that you can take to the next level All the best with the festival over there and developing more contacts

[@liddz434]

Great video, unlucky result with the engine that must be frustrating no doubt. Ps couldn’t also help but worry about the risk of a fire when I saw that fuel pump test😅 All the best with the rebuild 🤞🏾

[@mrnonamenobody6910]

Nice meeting you Andrew at FL2k...😎👍👍

[@Hydrazine1000]

As a post mortem, maybe do a liquid penetrant test on the remaining 5 conrods and the undersides of the pistons? It is a long shot, but if either the rod itself let go, or the underside of the piston dropped the wrist pin (gudgeon pin) due to fatigue cracking, you _might_ see evidence of that on the remaining parts. Those parts are likely from the same batches and have undergone the same load cycles and temperatures. You might find cracks that were not yet big enough to cause failure. Normally you can identify fatigue cracking by looking at the two fracture surfaces, fatigue cracking creates a very distinctive pattern, but here the failed parts are properly mangled.

[@N4CR]

Ouch, sorry for your loss. Hit the material failure lottery with that one, xray/crack test the next lot but it can be anything in the end.. looks like a valve broke off and did the old bounce-aroony. You can see the pit marks while it got smashed into the head until the rod broke. 16:13 and 16:35 the shear line on that valve stem is wild, I'd say that's your failure, material failure that caused a crack to propagate, it's so clean it must have just dropped straight off into the cylinder in one piece. VR platform isn't cheap, it's why I stick to LS.

[@anthonycamillos3719]

looking forward to the piston rebuild at 14:05 🤣🤣🤣

[@richardford5794]

Guys from the strip down evidence it really does point to dropping a valve , not that it makes any difference to the end result . Best of luck with the rebuild 👍🙏 😊

[@markkendall6854]

I’m really pleased you have decided to go for a stock engine & document your progress through standard, to each stage of modification 👍

[@brettelliott4512]

Oh dear mate!!!!! Good for views hopefully!!!!! Im sure you'll have it sorted bigger and better!!!

[@bigblock1968impala]

See that on the Seadoo supercharged engines, ours is from dropping the valve heads

[@darius9521]

Is that on early models with #72 exhaust valves only? Or do you see them fail on newer #75 as well??

[@bigblock1968impala]

we saw a lot of valves drop in the 02 to 06 sodium filled valves and 99% exhaust valves. We still get the odd ones drop but no where near the old ones. 06 and up were the better ones but I’ve heard they are again using a filled valve.

[@orrgazmo]

14:14 it’s Lego and they all get reassembled 😂 looks bloody expensive, I’m glad it’s you and not me😅😅

[@dreednlb]

Most youtubers end with "Like, comment, subscribe!" I've never seen someone get so bent out of shape over comments. Not just this video. Even if you don't like what the "keyboard mechanic" has to say, at least it's helping the algorithm. You're welcome.

[@TheRealWashie]

It's really interesting. Hawkins seems to have a really genuine disdain for negative comments and the people who leave them but yet there is always someone from the channel in the comment section replying to them which is most likely just feeding them and getting them noticed which leads to more negativity. I wonder if stuff like this is what stops the chancel growing like he is expecting it to.

[@jarrod1687]

Yeah he real sensitive

[@goz7569]

What an awesome break down. It’s unfortunate mate but up & bigger things 👍🏼

[@chris_peachey]

thats bad luck. hope the likes and comments from this video help pay towards the new motor. looking forward to all the content you make on this gtr. long time follower.

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

i went for solid s/steel 1 piece valves - a bit heavier but heads don`t pop off !

[@jasontrevis7142]

MATE!! NEARLY REMOVED YOURSELF FROM THE GENE POOL! I do however disagree about the conrod being the root cause. With the number of marks on the head and bore it looks more likely that the valve failed first.

[@GTRliffe]

you know one little spark from powering the pump that way could potentially burn down the crd workshop

[@MotiveVideo]

Could throw a cigarette into it and do nothing. It's not a Hollywood movie/

[@jimsbbqs4320]

@@MotiveVideoif it was diesel, petrol is different, one spark is all it takes.

[@gavwilldo]

You know those fuel pumps are brushed motors, all brushed motors throw sparks when they run. In fuel.

[@jimsbbqs4320]

@@gavwilldo no they are not

[@baxr6GT]

@@gavwilldoin fuel maybe, but outside in the fumes is where it’s dangerous

[@drdesmo8489]

Very shitty luck Andrew, but this next R35 journey should be one wicked adventure. Many many more ridiculously great videos coming our way 🤙🏼

[@propulusdilinger6419]

My biggest fear for my rb. Sure this gtr will receive sweet improvements. Thanks for videos

[@N4CR]

Even with a rocker arm/chain/dry sumped+link bar LS the valves always scare me xD

[@RebeccaKenworthy]

I'm only half way through but had to stop and compliment you on a great video. Enjoying the engine tear down. You've really got problems when you pull a complete valve head out the sump, geez- this one's only good for scrap and some spare random parts... Wrecker motor here we come? Or full engine build? All depends on how deep the pockets are

[@RebeccaKenworthy]

These things look like fun doing a water pump on. Or that hose that popped out of nowhere where the back of the T/C came off 🤦

[@stevenshipman6290]

11:47 a moment of silence rip. You did your best 😢

[@samthesr20man]

That fuel pump setup was the most dangerously ghetto thing I've seen in awhile, I've seen dudes blown up with petrol, please rethink what you're doing there..

[@bhubb18]

What's wrong with fuel vapour and sparks? 😂

[@jacobpage3865]

Very silly way to test flow and pressure.

[@pcparts2u]

goes without saying... it's time for a billet block !!

[@vincentpoole7588]

M/V. All good things come to a end ! ! Great opportunity to go down 'Nismo' V8 racing engine replacement ? ? V.

[@davidyang577]

Keyboard guy here. Given that the car was near stock and piston went straight into the head and other rods or pistons showing signs of too much load. I was guessing the timming chain slipped. 😂

[@harper6089]

Wonder if the Takumi's in japan will see this video or have seen a failure like this before. The amount of stuff in the sump was impressive haha

[@superskyline9368]

Reminds me of the early days with Project Budget Supercar.....

[@MotiveVideo]

De ja vu. R32 broke engine within a week of ownership lol

[@MYMOUNTAIN_122]

In the bin, overnight parts from Japan....I know the feeling, have snapped a camshaft bolt in a 5.4DOHC V8 at 8500rpm, look pretty much the same..

[@JCx3excelmad]

😃hey brother Nice content as always 👍 Hope you guys have fun in the states 😃

[@time603]

Well Andrew you certainly don't do anything by halves.. that is the most "Lunched" 35 block I've ever seen 👀 👀

[@RestorationWatch]

So what made the oil pump belt kick off? A big chunk of metal that seized up the oil pump?

[@burn4005]

I've got a GSXR engine that looks like this. dropped a valve. closer inspection of the fracture of the valve stem still in the head may give you some clues as to whether this was the root cause.

[@carmodif]

Surely this wasn't on a stock map anymore? Im guessing when you upgraded the Gearbox software you changed the Engine map? Possible over boost or issue with the turbo on that bank of cylinders?

[@MotiveVideo]

stock map.

[@MickiDracing]

That fuel testing setup has to be one one of the sketchiest things I’ve ever seen. Please tell me that was just a test liquid or something.

[@MotiveVideo]

You could throw a cigarette into it and nothing would happen.

[@MickiDracing]

That’s because it’s a cigarette. Any real spark would ignite the vapours however.

[@ramonellince2424]

This GTR it's going to be fast ❤

[@matpollard929]

Are the Air Filters ok ? There’s been a couple of cases here in the UK where the Foam Filters have totally degraded, sucked something in through the turbo and detonated the engine

[@alfiebrazier2346]

Andrew, KZbin needs a in depth vr38 full rebuild.

[@racecrashrepeat]

That's why's coming lol

[@radium69]

Holy moly… carnage galore, makes my slapping piston in my rb30 look like a hero flopping around. Need a S2 RB30 engine. Also seems unobtainium??? What gives..?

[@bigcazza5260]

my sump didnt save my rod and gudgeon pin, the dirt a couple meters behind the car did that

[@neveele6500]

Love these videos!

[@backnunAndy]

Wish to know what was a driving condition when it happens. It seems like engine was running for a while before it exploded. Does it happen while driving slow or fast under pressure?

[@MotiveVideo]

Had been driving around for two hours doing rolling shots. Was cruising. All A-OK. Gave a stab and boom

[@backnunAndy]

@@MotiveVideo oh that's bummer!

[@chrisrosie0584]

Sounds like you guys need to fill the spare corners of the shipping container back from the US with some engines.

[@evotoynick]

Thanks!

[@emilkuttel1]

Two bucks aint helping this problem.

[@ryanbramley5290]

Sorry for the los of your engine but if you do build it do know that it's a common thing the rods are very brittle in those engines hence the first thing I always do is rods as a rule

[@samthesr20man]

Dropped a valve, seen it plenty of times. Worked in a machine shop for years.

[@jarrod1687]

Why does the valve get dropped? A retainer break ?

[@ssnerd583]

@@jarrod1687 ...or got over revved at some point and....//?

[@IsraelitesUnited]

Is it possible to remove the pistons from an engine while block is in the car from the sump to change the piston rings

[@MotiveVideo]

Need ot hone bores for new rings or new pistons.

[@mrchams]

Sorry to hear about the blowup. Onwards and upwards

[@deanstiles8080]

Nasty for a water pump replacement

[@lochlanmckenzie8992]

Interesting if the fellas at the workshop have noted that on earlier R35s the Rods decided to let go every now and then. I wounder if it is something to do with Rod material. Could they have possibly changed material on newer models? or maybe because they are hand built some of them where poorly put together earlier in the production cycle? 🤔

[@tomgraham8086]

Is it possible the pin hole in the fuel pipe was drawing air in and aerating the fuel when it was in the tank?

[@russianbotstein1422]

I hate v6's, I know they make sense from a size and weight distribution point of view but they sound crap and too complex. A straight 6 sounds better, easier and cheaper to work on. Andrew could could stick one of the upcoming PRP cast iron RB blocks in there.

[@benbullock971]

Thats so bloody unlucky...😪

[@Aladinscave]

Dropped a valve if you ask me it happens seen it quite a few times on motorcycles the type of carnage tells the tale just my 2 cents

[@burn4005]

agreed. seen this a bunch on litrebikes. same carnage.

[@zedaye9552]

Oh man this sucks. So sorry dude 😢. Didn't some of the early GTRs have an engine recall or something? Maybe this one wasn't recalled? Its making me nervous since I'm looking for an early model GTR right now. Waiting for the right one at the auctions. Hopefully i don't get a lemon.

[@simongoode7812]

Gutted for you mate but looking forward to the build... But when are we gonna see work on Project No Secrets??? It's been far too long.

[@MotiveVideo]

When time and money permits.

[@warboyrb]

Can't see all of that stuff would come out of the drain hole. Just a wild guess.

[@ThePandasian34]

AMS performance is gonna have a really big call lmao

[@MotiveVideo]

Lots of great R35 tuning shops and parts companies in the USA to choose from

[@S13KON]

Paddle shifting and accidental downshift over rev? Dropped a valve then 💣🤯

[@MotiveVideo]

ECU wont let you ove rev.

[@BigJeezie]

Before watching I'm going with oil starvation from a blocked passage or previously hurt motor that was returned to stock and grenaded on new owner. Let see what happened....

[@ejm3381]

That $90k would have looked good on no secrets 😩

[@racecrashrepeat]

I even asked Andrew at GTR festival when is he going to be a lab rat for us for a R35 series and he bloody jumps 10 steps ahead. Lol fuck now we need to catch up lol

[@allanbiggart3231]

Id love to get my hands on a block just to see if it fits in 2 of my cars

[@johlgren]

Because the gearbox have been changed it could have been an over rev situation when the gearbox let go and the rod got weakend and was a ticking bomb on when to let go.

[@MotiveVideo]

No.

[@99benjohns99]

I've never understood how people can say it was this or that at this kind of destruction. I have over reved an engine and dropped a valve and it did exactly the same damage, Granted that was only a B16 engine.

[@phase3ute]

That’s because you are right. It’s so rare to see a rod just break. And nothing points to that in this engine. You have bearings that show no signs of any sort of failure and rods They haven’t shown the valve train. But it’s very obvious that a valve has dropped. Whether it valve bounced, broke a valve spring, collets, rocker, lifter failure. Would be quite obvious if they inspect it

[@craighills2382]

How do you KNOW it didnt drop the Valve ?

[@nasosnasos8054]

Price ?

[@davidmendez1859]

This gives me PTSD :( Evo 6 Blew up 4x worse than this. 6.5year later, still not going..

[@Takeitlightly6]

This production is the first generation. Whats new about it. Kid has turned it into an afterburner plenty of time before selling it off to you. Music has definitely gotten better. Earlier it sounded like a lunatic went crazy on the turntable.

[@WolfgangPunk97]

Australia's first RB26 swapped R35 maybe

[@steveallen1340]

All the piston return springs were missing

[@N4CR]

nah mate the balancing shafts, these were based on the old astron engine in the 80s

[@kronicismygame]

bruh thats so unfortunate, guess can only go up from here though hey. bloody cars 😅

[@spooler7828]

New VR38 junk yard pullout long blocks are not cheap.17k US when I was looking for one for my 370z.

[@FightingSportsMedia]

Just build 2j's lol they're at every junkyard for $300 a block

[@Drive_Ride_Thrive]

£4500

[@mikelmarion]

@@FightingSportsMedia cut the bullshit lol

[@N4CR]

@@mikelmarion yeah he finds 200 dollar LS3s next to it, trust me bro

[@mikelmarion]

@@N4CR shit, he could almost become rich from selling these $200 Ls and $300 2Jz engine blocs laying around in junkyards

[@flytoday]

The goonsquad guys are rebuilding a R35

[@clubsport9334]

Mate, there's more knowledge in the mechanics fingernail than those gronks.

[@flytoday]

​@@clubsport9334parts are parts

[@sammy6565]

@@clubsport9334 So you’re trying to tell us that we need simon to tell andrew & all of us y/tubers a rod punched a hole through his bottom end? Crd are shit. Simon should open his own business & piss crd into the wilderness.

[@pixaim69]

While you don't find an engine just..., yes i am going to say it, LLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSS it !

[@tturi2]

vk56 r35 gtr?

[@N4CR]

now we are talking. probably won't cost much different either, VR platform is a moneypit if you want to go fast.

[@TexasTagz]

You can’t scan the obd 2 for soft or hidden codes

[@MotiveVideo]

Showed nothing.

[@TexasTagz]

@@MotiveVideo wild

[@trn8061]

Before i watch this I'm gonna guess injectors...😂

[@AnthonyHrvat]

I found them to be more of a hinderance then anything. Yes they get the blood pumping but farrrrrk no sleep at night when you break something $$$$$

[@Knowsalittleaboutalot]

Rapid unscheduled disassembly

[@Ronin-um6lc]

To much torque for oem rods. And rod said by bye. Unfortunately, its to common to remote map a car, with no dyno, and also put the map back to oem, before selling. But damage is already done, and engine is a ticking time bomb.

[@KRATOS_GOW1055]

Well time to go billet engine don’t bother replacing it just upgrade it

[@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm]

piston mc nuggets and debris sandwich ! valve 1st breakage - so much bouncy bouncy damage = then piston smashed then the rod = that is my bet !

[@kierenalvarez]

So a freakishly weak rod that QA missed at the factory. Must have had a small defect from the manufacturing process.

[@LooseScrewsPc]

probably find a cheap stock block in the states most guys here replace them off the lot with a billet anyway lol

[@Low760]

New crank on the vr for 1000hp? Or is it 2000?

[@N4CR]

you can do that with stock crank lol. I wouldn't do it forever though.

[@MrSnakedoctor85]

What's the name of the sound at the end?