Why did the FBI ditch Polyethylene Helmets? - Team Wendy Vs Busch Protective helmet ballistic test

[@ericvincentofinowicz5610]

"Regardless of the material changes, it still glows in the dark."

[@sonicalex2536]

C’mon man that one’s just too easy

[@fearnobizarre]

Yeah, you should see how it reacts when hit with a car! 😂

[@semiautomatic-x5x]

@@fearnobizarre or green tips

[@O5FS]

@@fearnobizarreor any normal hunting sized round!

[@t.j.mccarthy3517]

A.R. 500 used to make a steel helmet for 299

[@AceFalken]

Oxide coming out with a 11 minute video giving me more knowledge on a helmet then I could anywhere else on the internet is pretty insane.

[@bettycocker2226]

no jacking around, man gets straight to the facts.

[@williameddlewis4625]

Tisum gives grate powers

[@N1c0T1n3__]

Oxide is the FPSRussia replacement we sorely needed.

[@ghostmourn]

@@N1c0T1n3__ wait. no i think... other than shooting stuff they are very different.

[@hakureishrine]

@@ghostmournmuch more deep in details and less click bait. He hasn’t blown up a single thing for show and spectacle

[@timmys8119]

Might want to try Ulbrichts Protection Helmets, they claim to have true rifle protection helmets with acceptable backface deformation

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

If I can get one I will

[@timmys8119]

@@Oxide_does_his_best 365-plus might be a solution, but the helmets are very expensive 😅

[@thermalvision203]

@@Oxide_does_his_best Good luck trying to afford one. I heard that the titanium-aramid composite ones start at around $5k. I heard that about a year ago when these things were brand new, so I hope that's not true anymore.

[@timmys8119]

@@thermalvision203 a friend of mine recently got Zenturio C1300H for around 6000€, i dont want to know how much their new Zenturio VPam 6 Helmet costs 🤣

[@theofficial2k-YQG]

Canarmor helmet

[@BringerOfD]

I guess they finally realized Police and other domestic agencies are primarily dealing with a different threat than the military helmets have been largely oriented for. Specifically the difference between stopping shrapnel and errant bullets from a relatively long distance being the primary threats, VS short distance direct shots to the head being the primary threats.

[@intheshell35ify]

Outstanding point.

[@luftwaffles274]

Kinda like how Russian Police SWAT units and Special Forces units (FSB) using heavily armored frag suits, full body ballistic shields and heavy titanium helmets equipped with face shields for conducting raids.

[@SS-xe3ml]

Yeah i agree. Team wendy is still top tier for the military. It's just not oriented for building CQB, which police units get involved in, a lot

[@JohnSoh]

Aint none of them getting shot in the head 14x. They gotta stop spending taxpayer dollars on most of this gear militarizing civilian agencies.

[@dutchlogitechclan]

@@luftwaffles274 This. Just look at German or Dutch specialized police units. They only wear the heavy rifle rated ulbrichts helmets with visors and heavy body armor in raids which typically also do not take that long, no sane person would carry such heavy shit on them for long periods. Apart from that, they just rock ops core's and light armor.

[@keinname2481]

I like that you used more ammo types that the helmets actually could reliably stop with satisfying results

[@igotaux69]

wow i wonder what will happen when u shoot a armor piercing 5.7 at a soviet helmet wow oxide

[@thompsonschwabbel6622]

6 rounds out of a smg, without deformation, from point blank is rather impressive

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

The Wendy struggled to get 3...

[@itzaleaf405]

@@Oxide_does_his_best Yet the Busch is like a helmet in tarkov against HP rounds, eating like 13 rounds back to back.

[@Capture_Torture_Liberals]

Try paying attention nooblet, the SMG has no relevancy, It's the caliber and its ballistics that matter.

[@SurgingApocalypse]

​@@Capture_Torture_Liberalsyes it does longer barrel means higher velocity

[@_PRISM_]

She Team my Wendy until I fatally deform

[@jugofmilk41]

[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]

[@Pauliminator]

10:18 there is a rifle rated helmet in use with the state police of north rhine westphalia in germany. Its called Hoplit 1100 H with Fortis add on plate. The manufracturer is Ullbrichts Protection.

[@kolper6799]

I like how VHS aesthetic is finally gone full blown on your vids. good job Oxide and editor.

[@matthiasmiers4742]

I am very impressed at the evolution of your editing. This video definitely feels like you've taken a big step in establishing your own style of entertainment. 👍

[@matthiasmiers4742]

@ColinMor-fj3qc agree to disagree, besides if he didn't do this one then there is no need to hate on him.

[@TornadoADV]

Reject Modernity (plastic armor), Embrace Tradition (aramid armor)

[@dantespardason7508]

You should try the Ulbrichts Boltless Helmet, it's an Austrian ballistic helmet and the company that make them, Ulbrichts, claims that the helmet is beyond NIJ 3A rating. While on the development process they not only focused on penetration but deformation too creating an all round product. I would love to see you test their claims.

[@juliusEST]

One thing to consider in terms of poly vs aramid helmets is sensitivity to the elements - poly helmets are sensitive to mild temperatures (80C+ starts degrading the material), sensitivity to physical damage (dont drop it on concrete lol) - all of these will degrade its protective qualities. It also starts burning at fairly low temperatures (~200-300C iirc) Compare this to aramid helmets which dont burn, you can play football with it all day and doesnt give a shit about any elements thanks to the resin/aramid combo. Burns at about 800C. The only thing you win with poly is better fragment protection - like significantly better. But it is all tradeoffs the other way. The 762x39 msc protection without extra plates claimed by some manufacturers is bs because of deformation. I mean this video already shows how bad the deformation is when stopping pistol caliber rounds, now try 6x+ the energy. Maybe in the future, who knows...

[@VBlasphemyV]

Busch does make a specifically rifle rated helmet, but it is quite heavy. Designed to be worn for shorter periods, like warrant service for LE.

[@BrandonSea]

How don’t you have more subscribers wtf? First episode here and I’m extremely impressed by the editing, music selection, but most importantly the knowledge on display here. This is everything Guntubers should be.

[@75thrangermilsimhungary58]

Hi Oxide, As some guys said before me you should try to get an Ulbricht helmet if you looking in the rifle rated dimension. Their Zenturion C1300H is classic among the German SEK. Their newer VPAM6 also nice. But you might wanna check out the Mehler H5 helmet especially in the faceshield and extra protective shell equipped configuration ⚠️

[@igotaux69]

how did u find out about mehler m5

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

mehler looks like a modernized/westernized maska

[@steffenjespersen247]

Really good test. Backface deformation is hard to judge but the clay gives a good visual clue.

[@NOVAScOoT]

subbed just because of that banger intro, this editing is some of the best ive seen, keep your editor happy

[@guccipants3053]

I don't know oxide, why did they?

[@RedBonkleMan8534]

A nice follow up to your Ops-Core video, can’t wait to see the comment section blow up saying how you did it wrong again 🤣🤣

[@pdxmarine1430]

Important bit that was left out(or maybe I just missed it) in the advantages and disadvantages of each, was how the weights compared between them

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

People really obsess about weight... there isn't a substantial advantage in the difference here or I would've mentioned it. The Wendy is lighter though by just under a pound.

[@chrisblack6258]

I personally think it still worth mentioning tho, just for transparency. Plus, shavings off even just a few hundred grams can result in quite a bit more cost to the helmet

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

@@chrisblack6258 Its a bullet point you can google. It isn't about transparency its about you wanting to get spoon fed

[@chrisblack6258]

@@Oxide_does_his_best I mean, getting spoon fed is the entire point of KZbin isn't it? Otherwise you will be reading actuall test reports.

[@pdxmarine1430]

@@Oxide_does_his_best Nearly a pound is a rather significant difference in weight. As far as being spoon fed information, you're doing a comparison video about the pros and cons of different helmets, and didn't include a pretty significant thing that people look for. Yes, that information is available, as is information about back face deformation, edge hits, multiple hits etc. But if you're putting it all together for people, you can't get upset that people are asking about that sort of information

[@Riname-K]

What I’m getting out of this is that there are benefits and drawbacks to each helmet material (assuming proper manufacture).

[@SchlomoShekelstein-vl4jy]

Mind = blown.

[@FlatRangeOperator]

I'm just glad I bought 2 boxes of M39B shit is decent.

[@sierra715]

Never thought id see you putting Okra in one of your videos, i love his music and have followed him for a while. Thanks for the videos

[@andrewbrown151]

The editing is "EPIC" .. luv the video bruh

[@sprtn1172]

Man that intro was peek! Subbed just because of it, keep up the awesome material!!!

[@branch7031]

My man Oxide needs more recognition. This is a super informative channel

[@quasmoke3553]

Awesome video! Could you do a rifle rated helmet video if possible? A HighCom Arditi is supposed to be rifle rated and cost roughly the same as Busch AMP-1TP for 2k+ USD for civilians. The Ops-Core FAST RF1 that is rifle rated cost around 3k. Wondering if the rifle rated ones will have much smaller deformation against rounds used in the video than their level 3A Polyethylene counterpart.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

I will test all of those helmets, but they're expensive. Please donate!

[@viktoreisfeld9470]

​@@Oxide_does_his_best If you do more helmet tests, take a look at the US Army's FHSDB (fatal head shot database). It's a recording of every fatal head shot a US soldier suffered since Vietnam (or possibly Korea?). I realize you're placing your shots to hit a clean area on the helmets and not pollute the results due to the costs of the helmets. But, taking as many shots as you can at locations were previous fatal shot occurred, when possible, would add a little something more to any future videos like this. Anyway, just sharing an idea - not really critiquing. Great job on this video guys!

[@quasmoke3553]

@@Oxide_does_his_best Just signed up for your Patreon! You are doing great work with these tests.

[@saigyo8855]

How can I contact you Oxide? Maybe I have something for you to test.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

@@saigyo8855 email in my about page

[@BuffRANGE]

Bravo! Good Show!

[@Ranstone]

As someone who just upgraded from a Hard head Veterans to a Team Wendy, I can accept these differences.

[@kratzlaff308]

FBI SWAT units are using the AMP-1s, but their premier tactical unit, the Hostage Rescue Team still uses Crye Airframes and mostly recently, a mix of Team Wendy Exfils.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

How recent is your information?

[@chrisblack6258]

Good to see a much improved test methodology

[@meem3816]

New oxide video? Splendid

[@jarred281]

The amount of money that was involved in these tests is insane. You’re providing science that most of us could not provide

[@verysmallcats1374]

Great video, very informative and concise. Exceptionally well put together presentation of the facts. Love it!

[@Dynamic_Principles]

you are doing the lord's work with these helmet tests

[@OperatorJackYT]

*Ah Yes, another Oxide video! :)*

[@dunkirk4289]

Would you consider a weapon series where you go in depth on various weapons and their variants such as the vast amount of AK variants and maybe go through calibers like 9x39, 9x21 and 9x18 etc. You already have a reputation for very detailed videos on Russian units, armors and helmets and I reckon it would be incredible to see the same care and detail put into reviewing small arms from around the world and throughout modern times. Respect from Australia.

[@BuffRANGE]

I need to talk to you about that head bust for my helmet tests!

[@peyton_uwu]

4:28 Seeing the slowmo being recorded on the same phone that I'm watching this video on is pretty fun :)

[@mravacadoman323]

That is the dopest into I've ever seen bravo bro 👏🏿 🙌

[@littyrebelkitty]

The quality and presentation of these is 💎✨ Must absorb some of this energy.

[@thompsonschwabbel6622]

yeahboi, new Oxide upload to start the weekend. Thanks for your unique content, it's very much appreciated.

[@ItzRetz]

I think the main point of helmets is to deflect bullets, not stop them. Most bullets that end up hitting them would probably not be direct impacts, as in they wouldn't hit the helmet head on but instead at a slight angle, which makes them a lot more likely to just graze off the helmets instead of penetrating them. Helmets have been known to save soldiers from .308 rounds hitting them in the head because they deflect off of the helmet. There's a video of a marine in the middle east getting shot in the head by a sniper and surviving with nothing but a scratched-up helmet. Also helmets are there to stop fragmentation/shrapnel, which they are arguably better at than stopping bullets. I'm pretty sure most WW2 helmets were basically useless at stopping bullets, but were pretty alright at stopping fragmentation. But I would still sure as fuck rather have a helmet than not have one. "Better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it"

[@nerd1000ify]

One of the most important functions of a WW2 helmet is to literally act as a builder's hard hat, I.e. protecting you from falling debris. This is very relevant when you are getting bombarded by artillery, given that explosive shells tend to throw lots of rocks and dirt into the air.

[@NiitrogripalL]

great editing!!

[@sierra715]

Do you think youll ever be able to test a highcom helmet? Them and some other companies supposedly have rifle rated helmets, and they weigh a lot for that protection.

[@quasmoke3553]

Yeah definitely wondering that as well. A HighCom Arditi is supposed to be rifle rated and cost roughly the same as Busch AMP-1TP for 2k+ USD for civilians. The Ops-Core FAST RF1 that is rifle rated cost around 3k. Wondering if the rifle rated ones will have much smaller deformation against rounds used in the video than their level 3A Polyethylene counterpart.

[@TacticalBaguette]

Just curious, are you gonna do another tier list for the new set of helmets you're testing? And will the previous one eventually be made into a standalone video?

[@GtSaalfeld]

The only argument you can make for any helmet is if you plan to need to survive multiple shots to the head you probably should consider another strategy. It’s not unheard of but with the way ballistics work in general the exception is more likely to be the rule.

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

The thing is that aramid helmet won't deform even against higher energy rounds on the first hit. The Wendy does. There are a million scenarios. IMO you'd be good with either helmet

[@CAAStudios]

While the team wendy is more practical for a civilian, the fact the busch has so little deformation makes it appealing to those who expect to reuse their helmet, even after a few hits. These are both good helmets depending on what you are expecting to see in a given scenario.

[@mateuslegramante8532]

Bros editing is magnificent

[@BruhdudeJX]

Oxide,out of pure curiosity what helmet in your opinion did the best that you have tested so far

[@the7observer]

noncredibledefense solution: just put another thicc layer of polyethylene on top of the kevlar helmet. Perfect protection for penetration and deformation. Also perfect for absolute neck pain and disconfort :P

[@2006Mercury]

Awesome testing I really like the Aesthetics of the video I usually cringe when people try to use VHS pipe lettering or something in their video or music but this is original and I love it

[@texaneli1427]

WELCOME BACK TO WILL IT PEN

[@scorpian8177]

love the 2000s skate video edit style

[@aidenpanting8466]

love the intro to the vid amazing style and music also great color work on that footage this vid is top teir

[@Mono_P45]

@oxide spotted a LULL21 V2 1:24 how do you like it? Does the Dovetail also wobbles on your g24 ?

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

Yeah it wobbles, I may send it back for a fix

[@M1America]

My new wallet is made out of Ultra100. Its a fabric that uses ultra high density polyethylene, with what I think is silnylon. Its an excellent fabric. I wonder how it reflects infared.

[@dogboy0912]

There's a brand called United Shield that sells everything from helmets to face shields to riot to ballistic shields in grade Grainger. Not a lot of info on them.

[@theamericansurvivor1305]

Finally a tarkov accurate helmet that can tank 14 9mm shots

[@buzzyboy2701]

Hoplite Armor supposedly makes a rifle rated level 3 ACH. may be worth the look for a test

[@Grizzly2525]

Been holding off on my TW purchase until this video came out. I couldn’t ask for a better video

[@mattcrisci99]

I wonder how the old dh-132b SOHAH conversions hold up to what's out there now. Not alot of data and I know the shells are still kicking around.

[@Azandeer]

While no helmet meets your trifecta, what helmet would you say best protects against steel with resistance to deformation? I'm willing to compromise on comfort lol

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

The fucking Maska lol

[@user-rw2pq8te7x]

@@Oxide_does_his_besti thought i saw a test where it performed pretty poorly

[@diegoflores3408]

I have more respect for oxide then 90% of the officers in the military. I hope to one day be able to salute the man who has me frothing at the mouth for hexigon tactical gear

[@fossil6845]

good to see the team wendy perform fairly well, as they are standard issue for the military I work for.

[@Jeff5969]

Bruh, your vids are amazing. I always enjoy.

[@LeifurTjorkilson]

one question, why aren't there any helmets combining polyethylene with dyneema/kevlar? Seems like a good way of compositing the properties of both. it could be done with either layer composite or weave composite.

[@scowler7200]

And adding a D3O layer to evenly-distribute any deformation...

[@jasonarmstrong5750]

For all we know some company is working on that now

[@Ranstone]

There is, and you saw it in this video. It's called Team Wendy.

[@Tremulousnut]

Dyneema is Polyethylene. There are a lot of helmets that combine polyethylene with Kevlar, sometimes even with carbon fiber. Heck, the Team Wendy in the video use both. Same with Ops core. That’s why they are called hybrid shells. It’s just that different companies use different ratios, layups and forming methods.

[@clarkbell5084]

Totally was Team Busch, hopped on gunbroker, and promptly realized I'm too broke to be here right now picking sides, even shed a tear for the ones we lost in this video..

[@stahlhelmturtle9822]

The fedhelm 💀

[@TheRealHarrypm]

As the wiki guy for vhs-decode this vhs "style" intro effect hurts my soul, good video though!

[@torgrim-ct1yq]

Istg either oxide is the most elaborate psyop or just insanely based

[@donovannotmyname7306]

Have you ever thought about testing the up-armor applique for PASGTs? I say that like there's a lot of there. I only know of one indian company that developed one. Kinda wish I could get my hands on one.

[@Opsgermanysoldier]

For your search Ulbrichts Protection (another german company) offers rifle rated helmets some with the trauma level VPAM 6 (7.62x39). Btw Bush Protective is well known in Germany.

[@GeorgeWBush-gx3zy]

I know you mainly test military based armor and helmets, but I'd love to see you test some American brands to see how they hold up. They'd probably be alot easier to obtain and test too.

[@sigmasafety]

nearly all helmet manufacturers make helmets designed for military use, then sell them to Police as well. Busch is one of (if not the only) company in North America that focuses on law enforcement helmets, not military.

[@NoName-oh6pc]

Highcom RCH and Ops-Core RF1 are the only two rifle rated helmets I'm aware of. I'd like to see you test them.

[@stevesamurai6875]

Nice video. Whats the Name of the intro track ?

[@alecgrant5330]

i like the vhs editing style

[@troll2036]

man you are doing such a good job with your videos, cant believe i found your channel because of your comment under tarkov video lol

[@jamesdc9595]

Have you tested Hoplite helmets yet? They claim to be rifle rated

[@cameron5802]

honestly at this point oxide is a leader in freedom of knowledge regarding stuff that isn't exactly able to be answered by a simple google query.

[@nade7242]

thanks for these videos they're great and informative

[@mike-thebike5757]

Unbelivibel how good your side is .

[@FlippidyDooDoggy]

Whats the song in the intro?

[@lancelancer8313]

yoinked mine from ebay. very happy with it.

[@samuelb9875]

I think ulbrichts protection makes a rifle reated helmet but there realy expensive.

[@jester4323]

Loving the VHS aesthetic 🔥🔥🔥

[@JCRF]

Sweet CADPAT and C8 loadout, I see you

[@HobnailJohn]

Would be interesting to see you test the adept armor steel helmet.

[@lukaatzema6239]

You should try to obtain one of ulbrichts new helmets, it utilises titanium to decrease bfd and penetration

[@shekharmoona544]

I wonder if silica carbide plates in a hex formation could be utilized on the exterior. Unfortunately that would add weight and each seam even though small is an opportunity for penetration.

[@Greaseman762]

Babe wake up, Oxide is testing Team Wendy helmets!!!

[@jordanpohl6856]

@Oxide you might want to look at the ULBRICHTS ZENTURIO HELMETS specifically the 7.62 MSC variant.

[@RandomWrongDeletion]

I like the idea of this helmet, I really hope it takes off and other channels review it. I’ll be a lot more likely to switch over if I could watch a video about this from someone without such a chip on their shoulder, I’m very interested

[@shaneciccarelli-palmer2962]

Great video! Also I rock the same Amazon mask lol

[@Oxide_does_his_best]

It isn’t

[@diemaco7626]

Maybe I only noticed because I’m Canadian but…. How is nobody talking about that sweet looking C8 clone?????

[@xefitnop]

I have a TW for work. Tbh it performed well enough for me here, and that coupled with the weight will keep it in my good graces. Love your videos. I wanna see my Russian stuff though 😊

[@rookie.9175]

Oxide, where did you get the T-block camo

[@alanfender123]

There must be some manufacturing or engineering reason why polyethylene and kevlar are not combined in a helmet to be able to stop steel core ammunition while still having acceptable deformation

[@Just-S0me_space-cowboy]

I kind of want to see a titanium reinforced polyethylene helmet an inner titanium component to resist deformation and an outer polyethylene section to provide most of the ballistic protection