Why did the Ottoman Sultans Kill their Brothers?

[@KingsandGenerals]

The practice of fratricide was unique for the Ottoman empire. Putting aside the moral dimension of this practice, on one hand, it weakened the royal family, on the other, palace intrigues were curbed. Do you think it was a net positive for the Ottomans? This t-shirt will save you from strangulation, guaranteed: bit.ly/2z1rVan

[@amadib]

Mehmet probably did not initiate it. The famous law code ascribed to him formally recognizes the rule but describes it as being the practice of his forefathers. It was a way of settling political succession, something that had been a problem for all sovereigns. It wasn't a general rule permitting or approving of killing your brother.

[@kokunglim175]

Next week. Asia Pacific jungle people war story please 🌏🙏🙏😊😊👍👍😁

[@bobbulat1393]

The Ottomans went downhill after Suleiman stopped the practice. So it probably was good for the empire coz it was basically survival of the fittest

[@danraf1562]

Absolutly unislamic and forbidden. Trying to adapt islamic governance to the model of the byzantines and sassanids brought only more and more problems which necessiated more breaches of islamic rulings. A caliph needs to be chosen/elected either by the muslim populace or by their (natural) representatives all under the eyes/scrunity of the judiciary. Those unideological wrongdoings were key to the intellectual downfall of muslims.

[@Făt-Frumos1982]

You realize the double headed eagle is a Roman thing?

[@gerwantofrivera3725]

>Why did the Ottoman Sultans Kill their Brothers? CKII players will know why.

[@napolien1310]

Xd

[@ellinixiummapping2029]

Bartosz Zarosa lmao

[@napolien1310]

@@saminyasar2765 if they have ambition

[@saminyasar2765]

Phan Quan i prefer imprisonment rather than murder cuz decadence does not feel like a big problem to me and i keep my siblings alive because people love me aside from the pope of course

[@Albukhshi]

Well, the Kafes system backfired, since the confined decadence made the people coming out of there cuckoo for coco-puffs, if you know what I mean....

[@calexander7495]

I have bad news bro, dad's dead *stabs* And so are you.

[@ardagurbuz6924]

Bruh moment

[@belminkrhan374]

AHAHAHAHAH

[@ahmaddibbeh1]

Strangling *

[@hulaguhan7702]

they only strangled. no blood

[@GuythatKnowsVideos]

The princes didnt fight their own soldiers fought

[@gabrielkaplowitz596]

“ Tolerate no rivals” -Darth Vader

[@TurquazCannabiz]

"I'm gonna kill all 20 of my brothers" - Mehmed III

[@magnuscoles5010]

Will he killed lots of younglings so he has experience lol

[@adrianbundy3249]

tbh dForce13, I am very surprised rival kingdoms or empires to the Ottoman's didn't use those situations against them more often. One conveniently timed assassination and the Ottoman's at numerous times would have devolved into full fledged anarchy.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Also Caesar's spirit

[@gaffgarion7049]

>Worry about succession wars >Maintain a Royal Harem that maximizes the amount of children born

[@hannibalburgers477]

Hey, natural selection it is. May the best guy win (and do it without damaging the state and empire)

[@TearDaTaco]

Isn't marrying more than 4 unallowed in islam? Gee they break lots of their rules.

[@argaandri1077]

@@TearDaTaco yeah in Islam even if you have more than a wife you need at least wealth to support your family, and you must love all your wives equally. Beacuse it's impossible to love them equally so lot of advice against polygamy.

[@TearDaTaco]

@@argaandri1077 no dude I heard that there is a limit.. only 4 wives.

[@stygian8049]

@@TearDaTaco yeah, but what he said is also true, if you can't be fair then don't do polygamy

[@OA7]

Brothers of The Ottoman sultan have a strong claim on all his titles according to CK2.

[@jullsoll6459]

all ottoman ruler vassal ( -100 opinion " ottoman prince alice "

[@lach8803]

by fighting brothers, the most talented wins and manages the state better, if the remaining brothers revolt, they will be killed, the empire will not be shared, it will be weak, otherwise

[@mayazmahmud8432]

Ottoman politics > game of thrones

[@KingsandGenerals]

Real history > game of thrones. :-)

[@calebtimes453]

@@KingsandGenerals real history is more brutal than game of thrones....like damn.

[@commonhooman2885]

Stalin+Beria politics > game of thrones

[@MerdoKhan1905]

Resurrection Ertugrul(Father of the Ottoman state founder Osman Gazi) -> Game of Thrones

[@akhsdenlew1861]

wait... hating game of thrones is like the cool thing to do today? What did i miss?

[@Otto500206]

Short answer: To stop succession wars.

[@ilkiya8028]

long answer : how?

[@ilkiya8028]

fix the human.But still, Even though the prince doesnt want the throne, there will always be someone who incite the prince to rule , like this " hey you are the true throne successor " , and the prince got influenced and then ... Or change to a system that will oppressed the killing competition

[@lordblazer]

I mean, they could've just found another way.,

[@MeowyBrigade]

@@lordblazer Lolz for your over simplification. It's easy for you to say "just find another way", I would love to hear your well thought out idea how to do it

[@Ericthefilo]

@@MeowyBrigade I dont get it weren't their contemporaries in Europe often able to have a few peaceful successions without automatically killing all their siblings? It doesn't appear that they achieved more stability in their time than other kingdoms / empires.

[@mikealpha8204]

Among Turks this is considered as the ultimate sacrifice of the Ottomans. Their priority was the continuation of the empire even before their family. That is why being a member of the dynasty was a blessing and a curse at the same time. You could be the ruler of the world or end up six feet under at young age!

[@jullsoll6459]

from 1300s to 1900s and ottoman priority was the continuation.. while roman empire was 1500s years while letting everyone , who has money , armies to take over lol

[@HorvardPasha]

​@@jullsoll6459 In Turkic states, there is no change of dynasties possible. If a new dynastie is ruling over the country, it will become another state. Rome had multiple dynasties ruling it over 1500 years. The Ottoman dynstie alone however ruled over 600 years in their territories. And in Turkish there is a saying for the state -> Devlet-i Ebed Müddet. This means that the Turkic state will last forever and since Ma-To Khan organized the Xiongnu Khaganate after he defeated his father the Turkic state never ended up in no-existence. There were different dynasties ruling over the state and so the name of the state changed multiple times, but the Turkic state itself never fell apart.

[@vanlandings7466]

@Chipmunk Live in Berlin and you will feel the same as him.....

[@justanotherdude491]

@@januszkowalski5345 hahahaha, you just hate Turks.

[@kagtkalem7115]

@@januszkowalski5345 Mafia state was a thing in only 90's. Caused by CIA backed Gladio organisations.

[@lushbIood]

So you're telling me, almost all the sultans had a mangekyou sharingan?

[@OC225]

bighomie jomar Hahahahahah

[@keilast7503]

Many of them even had EMS...

[@ranjansoni7333]

bighomie jomar itachiiiiii and sasukeeeee!

[@Star-sw2zw]

no wonder they win all the wars!

[@kookythekooker]

Lol

[@nobelmanaye38]

"Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." Mehmed II, circa 1450

[@starkjr.8990]

Mehmed II was born 1432 bro ..

[@emeraldaxx8631]

@@starkjr.8990 He became sultan at the age of 12

[@harkabirsingh1122]

@@emeraldaxx8631 just think a 12 year child ordering to kill his brothers 😢😰😰😢🤬🤬

[@omgbruhohhellnahmanwtfman9558]

@@harkabirsingh1122 whats the matter pranjeet?

[@sktt1488]

No you idiot. He became sultan in 12 but had to abdicate because of 1444 varna battle. He again became sultan when he was 20 years old.

[@ricardoguanipa8275]

The Ottoman were playing CK2 for real

[@ricardoguanipa8275]

@M D Crusader Kings 2, its a Grand Strategy game from Paradox, they might look boring and intimidating at first but ones you get into it shit can Get Epic

[@eca3101]

@M D it's a strategy game for those who don't know how to play Victoria

[@everAU2]

Ricardo Guanipa turks*

[@cemilkerimli5530]

:D

[@chandanchettry4053]

Nope... CK2 is based on ottomans.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

NEXT VIDEO: *Why did the Habsburgs marry their relatives*

[@12345678900987659101]

Can it Napoleon you married a Hapsburg.

[@namisieiieiriioiddio]

Pajeet Singh Gurkha Gupta build toilet first then talk.

[@LethargicGM]

@Pajeet Singh Gurkha Gupta the hapsburgs were cristian.

[@Cornell851]

So the crown would stay in the family

[@CarvaxIV]

Because they watched Game of Thrones and wanted that silver hair/purple eyes.

[@volkanburnaz181]

It reminds me one of the most important rules of the Sith Code: They should only be two.

[@KingsandGenerals]

:-)

[@volkanburnaz181]

Wow! Kings and Generals realized and made popular my comment. Thanks 😀

[@RainintheBrain]

A ottoman sultan takes power. Execute order 626!

[@libiusperseus]

It is even funnier when you consider the jedis are some sort of monks or knight templars.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Ottoman princes exists: Ottoman Sultan: "There can be only One!"

[@Terrex123]

It's actually pretty amazing the Ottoman empire lasted as long as it did considering the incredibly unstable transfer of power system they had adopted.

[@SCARFACE07OWNER]

it was not unstable when 2.selim had improved it upon nearly perfection. One would go learn statecraft come back and sit on the throne when his father died, kill all his brothers who were learning statecraft with other devsirme's in the imperial school. This to maintain stability in the empire's politics to be able to continue and harass its neighbours, to not worry with internal crisis. The backbone of the empire were the devsirme's, taken from the empire's christian subjects and turks (later). When they died their treasury would go back into the imperial treasury to maintain liquiditation and thus centralize the empire. The dynasty of osman was there as a figure but when a reformist sultan would come he could reform without opposition since there would be no other dynasty to place on the throne. Later when sibling kill was abolished, there was always but always internal crisis and nepotism began by a naive sultan ( who was installed by coup) who then abolished the motor of the empire, the devsirme's. By this abolishment the government positions were open to everyone with money or connection and the nepotism age began. ( 1640's abolishment, 1670's no more devsirme's in high positions and by late 1700 no more devsirme).

[@libiusperseus]

What is impressive is that the Ottoman dynasty survived despite this system. Imagine a sultan is infertile or, for some reason (accident, illness or even murder) dies before producing a son. Without a surviving brother/nephew/cousin, it means the end of the dynasty.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@libiusperseus this was likely due to the polygamistic nature of Islamic marrage systems as a Sultan would likely have a harem of wives, this practice has survived and is still practiced.

[@libiusperseus]

@@forickgrimaldus8301 Yeah. Having many wives maximizes the chances to produce a son. However, it does not assure the sultan is fertile and won't die for some reason before having a son.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@libiusperseus so they pick the most fertile son

[@radityakevin6352]

Ottoman princes: **exist** Ottoman Sultan: “now you’ve entered PVP zone”

[@arifarkan5149]

They Educated diplomacy, administration and politics. They all knew pro gamer moves.

[@DerFoerderator]

Could you explain how tge Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation works. Is damn complex and changed many times in his 1000 year of existence.

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is such an interesting topic. Thank you :-)

[@umaransari9765]

A channel called reallifelore made video about it give it a watch

[@jamestang1227]

You'd need a whole series for the entire empire. It'd be easier to focus on one century such as the 1500s or 1700s. The role of the Imperial government changed a lot over time and one needs a detailed analysis of it to show its true complexity.

[@maverikmiller6746]

I second that request. Also thanks from Turkey for making such a video so that people around the world know about it too.

[@Otto500206]

you will need more than 1 video for that

[@CogitoEdu]

Can we all just step back and examine the fact that Suleiman seems to have been half onion. I am in awe at the size of that headgear.

[@kacimoofficiel3308]

it means he won a lot of wars

[@cakapcakep241]

The venetian doge also wear a weird hat just find their picture on google

[@umaransari9765]

Guess he had really bad hair day

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

+Rizki Anggoro Damn, why did you need to remind me of Crash Course World History, episode 18?

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

+Rizki Anggoro Damn, why did you need to remind me of Crash Course World History, episode 18?

[@ubelmensch]

When you're brother of the Sultan and the olives start talking turkish

[@altandavaz3543]

Underrated comment

[@fyedoravna7569]

Can you explain please?

[@hayro252]

Assassins

[@loljuttui5916]

@@fyedoravna7569 I think he's referencing the meme about siege of byzantium "when the walls start speaking Turkish" with poisoned olives. Yes, poisoned olives don't talk Turkish but talking Turkish here is an euphemism for killing you.

[@bugra6798]

@@fyedoravna7569 It's the meme about the Vieatnam War "when the trees start speaking Vietnamese" but olives are a common plant in the Mediterranean core of the empire so

[@BeratLjumani]

Sultan: hey Bro guess who just became Sultan! Brother: no way that’s so cool! I hope I can be Sultan one day! Sultan: hehe... yah about that, want to go see my silver bow string collection, that father would never let us into! Brother: no way! Father never let us in their, your the best Sultan ever! *Que sad anime soundtrack*

[@YamacKocovali7]

Borat jumani That's actually really depressing especially if you picture the brother as a young kid.

[@jacktagan7222]

Amk ya ndskanx

[@mauratlantean3002]

@@YamacKocovali7 if you watched Kosem, Reminds me of the first episodes between Ahmed and Mustafa

[@theCHEATER141]

top 10 anime betrayals

[@saminasuhail6095]

Omar Amkh yes I thought the same thing too

[@Kariakas]

I especially appreciate these Ottoman videos as western documentaries rarely focus them. It's always Rome, Egypt and China.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you :-)

[@MlokLik]

Well, what have the ottomans contributed to our society? The chinese made gunpower and perfected the wheel, the romans made the law we use, Egypcians were masters in agriculture. What did the ottomans do, exactly, apart from destroying a two thousand years old empire and ripping its culture apart? Documentaries are made to expose a topic. There isn't much to reveal about the ottomans other than their barbarisms, while you can spend hours and hours in length talking about these civilizations you mentioned, one of which, the ottomans destroyed.

[@Zeugmaios]

There is a reason why west tends to ignore ottomans. I think it is related to the legacy of ottomans left in the memory of Europe.

[@jullsoll6459]

@@Zeugmaios it ignores them because europe has other greater empires ( british , spanish ) " empire that the suns never sets on " the british and spanish for a short time where the wealthiest empire in the world and british where the strongest navy for alot of time , the french had the strongest land army , the russian empire had the largest continious land an european empire ever had . much of the world speaks english and uses french and brtiish based technology , from the british empire are today one of the strongest nations ( USA , India ) and the roman empire is the first empire to dominate europe as well as completly own the mediteraneean , the ottomans didnt have such large millitaries , navies and except turkey and i think azerbaijan no other countries speak turkish

[@Ecclesiastes11718]

@@MlokLik Two things the Ottomans gave the world : Massacre and the mighty Baklava XD

[@jacquesfrancois4275]

Jeez justimagine, growing up with your brothers, being tutored and trained together. Always aware at the back of your mind that one day one of you will have to kill all the others

[@PokekonNL]

they dıd not grow up togheter as sıblıngs.. they all had theır own traıners teachers etc and when they were old enough to have theır own harrem or thrown thats when the bgest man was chosen..

[@almalayuwiyyah2512]

@Orhan Demir yes, the problem is they were all want power to be sultan. to have power you should take a risk to be killed.

[@sultankebab1587]

@@almalayuwiyyah2512 Those poor little children didnt want power, they did not choose to be born a prince.

[@nqh4393]

Keep in mind that their mindset and values were vastly different from ours. They were raised in an environment in which killing siblings were deemed perfectly normal.

[@AS-yz2iz]

@@nqh4393 Sick

[@Eliphas_]

They prefer to be the only child. “Ahem ahem Ramsay”

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

Ugh. The GoT character I loathe the most, glad he died. He was also scary, but in the time since I finished watching season 7 of GoT, I found some series with even scarier characters. The one that scared me the most didn't have any siblings (thus, no fratricide) but he's pretty damn insane.... Talinight....

[@bobmiller3627]

Walda: "Ramsay, where is Lord Bolton?" Ramsay: "In the kennels. He wanted you to meet him there with my little brother :)"

[@budakbaongsiah]

Even in the books, he is a (possible) kinslayer. Ramsay is Lord Bolton's legitimized son. His first son was Domeric Bolton, which died short after he found out that he has a brother.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Roose: "Ramsay will kill them all of course. That's for the best. I will not live long enough to see new sons to manhood, and boy lords are the bane of any House. Walda will grieve to see them die though..." "If the kinslayer is accursed by both gods and men, what is a man to do when one son slays another?"

[@budakbaongsiah]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 Exactly. But, wasn't father instead of man?

[@simpletrailers1161]

Most of you guys try to judge what ottomans did in 15th century with your 21st century views. Things were different 500 years ago, and you're judging their actions based on your (21st century's) values. Almost all turkic states went to civil war and disintegrated because of letting all the princes rule different parts of the empire. Mehmet saw it was coming for ottomans as well (the latest example was seljuks, empire divided into four separate states and then another nomadic group from the central asia wiped it out completely) he had to did something and he did. Do you really think they were enjoying killing their brothers? I'm pretty sure they wanted to find another way. If they could find something better, they would change the system.

[@arifarkan5149]

They wrote poems for their desth brothers. Apoligized

[@ساميالمطيري-ر3ف]

@Renan Uysal his dad was too old to still be a sultan so he had to give one of his two sons the throne and one of them was a traitor who wanted to trad the country for the sasanian ruler's daughter so selim killed his brother

[@NobodyIshere70]

So morality is based on your opinion?

[@simpletrailers1161]

@@NobodyIshere70 History 101: ''do not judge events based on your (today's) values. try to understand how things were back then.'' I'm saying they didn't live in the 21st century like you or me. and you're trying to judge them based on your 21st-century values. They didn't have those values 5 century ago (makes sense, right? they LIVED LIKE 5 CENTURIES AGO, AFTER ALL).

[@ساميالمطيري-ر3ف]

@@simpletrailers1161 650 years

[@ahumpierrogue137]

I think its similar to the State of Cao Wei in China during the 3K era. While they did not kill their family, they severely weakened the influence of the relatives of the Emperor and they basically had no power. While this meant they has nothing to fear from relatives if also meant they lacked allies in court politics which allowed the Sima Clan to usurp the throne and establish the Jin. You need a balance of familial power or you will fall eventually.

[@irtazaazam2573]

Well said Kaiser.

[@JasonCarbon117]

5:59 You forgot to mention the influence of Ezio Auditore on the succession of Selim I and defeat of Sehzade Ahmet XD

[@publicconvent7585]

Assassin's creed: syndicate

[@kreb9721]

@@publicconvent7585 Revelations

[@arifarkan5149]

Yusuf speaks perfect english but speaks Turkish shitty lol

[@saifanali3130]

For the assassin I

[@LetsRock1t]

Hahaha 😂

[@secretscipio]

The Amount of Potential wasted due to fratricide and Golden Cage costed Ottomans their Empire.

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is a fair point. Many European princes became good generals or administrators.

[@sub7se7en]

Not that I condone the action, but that may be what allowed for that singular dynasty to reign for so long.

[@louie97ation]

subseven On the flip side that might've been to the state's detriment. Perhaps other families could've been adaptable enough to keep it strong after the 17th century

[@sub7se7en]

@@louie97ation You're probably right. We might even have an Ottoman empire today, simple ruled by a different family. If they managed to stick it out longer they may have been like the Kings and Queens of England. Secure in their positions but not actually heads of government

[@orbachinpothik3279]

It was not possible. Because it was not about the desire of the princes. It was about the desire of the royal court officials. If a prince was alive, that would cause the insubordination among generals and ministers. All they needed was an alive Shehzade or Prince to start a rebellion. The ottoman later changed the policy and started to lock up the princes due to the same reason (Palace conspiracy), which had worsen the situation. Ottomans could not develop a peaceful succession law due to the mindset of the Royal officials. It was their major failure.

[@xxAnaconta]

Take a shot every time someone gets strangled

[@KingsandGenerals]

And, we are dead.

[@illyrian9976]

Good luck at 8:40

[@cardboardbox191]

Is that one drink per strangulation or just when someones strangled. Alot of strangulations happened at the same time so it's a subtle but meaningful distinction.

[@tolgahantaluy5289]

I am from Turkey and the video is awesome and very true. Good job.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@fritz404]

No such country as "turkey" you probably mean Turkmenistan or asian minor

[@talhakaratasoglu2968]

@@fritz404 which world do you live in? How Turkey is not a country he? Can you explain?

[@erwinrommel6561]

@@talhakaratasoglu2968 its name isn't Turkey

[@yargocebeturkmen3633]

fritz turkic brother turkmenistan uzbekistan kazakhistan kırgızistan azerbaycan north Cyprus turk republic and autonomous area tataristan ,saha yakut, baskurt çuvaş, dagistan besides turkoman population live iran 35 -40 million irak 2 million syria 1.3 million turkoman .turkoman turkish language =turkmen . .we is family .I am from central anatolia turkey .I am turkoman .my family nomad.I am dentistry student .cenral anatolia central = cappadocia .you visit turkey .my cultural is very very big . My family nomad culture .my English language is bad . :) excuse me

[@lactobacillusacidophilus]

Nice video, but you forgot to mention the actual reason. In the central Asiatic tradition of succession, one must has the blessing of the god, Tengri (Later Allah). We call this blessing "Kut". All the sons of the ruler have Kut in their blood so all have equal claim on the throne. That is why dividing the country (like Mongolians) was a common practice among Turks as well. Both Mongolians and Turks followed such central Asian practices. Therefore, spilling blood of an heir is also forbidden, because the blood has "Kut" in it, it is holly, so this may curse the land.

[@Deaclavilis]

So Turks prefered killing "kut" persons in other ways like choking with bow string rather than using sword and anykind of sharp device.

[@ecrinyldrm9509]

@@Deaclavilis yes. It sounds really bad, totally understand :D but its a simple equation, for the greater good. Those are the realities of those days unfortunately.

[@Deaclavilis]

@@ecrinyldrm9509 Old people were killing for political purposes, it was rule of the day. Anyway, what I want to add, Turks broke it in some cases however like execution of prince Mustafa, son of sultan Suleiman The Magnificient. Zal Mahmud Aga broke prince's resistance with an axe, which ended up with prince's blood spilled. Probably sultan must be felt bad about it. At least Ottomans could know successor of the throne usually and could get rid of all "unwanted heirs", Romans - Byzantines even did not know who were going to be the next emperor :d. "The god choses who is the worthy enough to take and control of the command of Romans".... What a great succession formulation, well done, series of military civil wars and coups :d. But I must admit that the Romans - Byzantines usually did not kill family members of imperials like Ottomans did unless the new emperor was crazy like Phocas or there was an assassination attempt. Romans preferred sending them to monasteries or turning them unsuitable to the throne by making them imperfect like turning them into an eunuch or cutting off their nose, ear etc. Actually it was a Persian tradition later adopted by Byzantine Romans. In Turkic tradition, the state belongs to a family while in Roman tradition state was actually belongs to any of existing families, it is only representation of heaven and god's kingdom, so god and all of his people (generally Christians, specificly Romans) owned the state.

[@daniyalahmed687]

@@Deaclavilis No it was sultan ahmet 1 who stopped fraticide not Suleiman .

[@kubat552]

@@Deaclavilis During Suleiman's Persian campaign, his army halted in Ereğli for a while. While Suleiman's army was in Ereğli, Rüstem Pasha made an offer to Mustafa to join his father's army. At the same time he warned Suleiman and persuaded him that Mustafa was coming to kill him. He was accused by his father because of Hürrem sultan and Rüstem Pasha. Mustafa accepted Rüstem Pasha's offer and assembled his army to join his father's. Suleiman saw this as a threat and ordered the execution of his son. When Mustafa entered his father's tent to meet with him, Suleiman's guards attacked Mustafa, and after a long struggle they killed him using a bow-string. The name of the man who strangled Şehzade Mustafa was Mahmut Ağa. He was Rüstem Pasha's right hand. He didn't killed with Axe.

[@shaypatrick3079]

Who is here after watching Muhtesem Yuzil series ?

[@nafisanajnin7045]

Shay Patrick me 😂

[@iiiisadiinish1413]

Me🙋🏼‍♀️

[@Physicist-]

@Rijad Emrulai dirilis is one of the most inaccurate shows, even though fairly inaccurate muhtesem yuzyil is much more accurate than that

[@pime6735]

Love that series

[@fgtbossboss5092]

And other ones

[@Argos-xb8ek]

Mustafa was a promising heir

[@HistoryandOtherStuffwithBV]

As anyone who watched Extra History can say. And let's not even get started on Suleiman's youngest, yet sickly son: Çihangir.

[@anlyuksel2194]

BV The Montenegrin Mapper Cihangir*

[@jamestang1227]

At the same time, its not unreasonable Suleiman would kill him. After all, Suleiman's father Selim was ambitious enough to overthrow his father and murder his brothers, would Mustafa not do the same if he could?

[@Argos-xb8ek]

@@jamestang1227 It just disturbs me thinking of how a father and a ruler would kill his best heir and son on the whim of a concubine. Also how this decision changed the outcome of the Empire and all its people

[@alperena1675]

Larkin Hancock there were many poems about him and it is said Venetians prayed at night “to save them from Mustafa’s Succession” because he was ‘fated to be greater then his father (Suleiman the Magnificent). I guess God heard them.

[@chevysuarez7306]

This is probably the only channel that I know of where we get to see the history of the middle east in a entertaining and educational way.

[@ksanbahlyngwa1998]

Check out Epimetheus

[@anniewaraich6312]

If this was not game of thrones in real life, I don't know what is.

[@arifarkan5149]

You should read about Hürrem and Kösem sultans Intrigues

[@cinna_sultan]

Kösem Sultan actually eliminated the slaughtering of brothers; she was the consort of Ahmed I, and one of the most influential Regents of the Ottoman Empire. The practice was later dissolving when Kösem’s step-son; Şehzade Bayezid was executed by Sultan Murad; Kösem’s own son. Much later; Kösem Sultan was strangled to death by her own hair and Turhan Sultan disposed Sultan Ibrahim placing her own son on the Ottoman throne.

[@enestokdemir5419]

Sultan Murad kendisini tahttan indirmek istedikleri için kardeşini öldürttü

[@AS-yz2iz]

Murad also executed his brother Kasim and would have executed Ibrahim, except he got too sick and died first.

[@eurech]

She did not, it was Ahmed I and even then law would continue to be ignored by his sons. It wasn't until Turhan Sultan's reign that the law became actually effective. Mehmed IV once tried to execute his brothers but she stopped him.

[@xt0t4ld34thx]

The video needs to be re-uploaded with the correct audio line. The narration stops at around 8:20 until 9:05 and plays oriental music instead.

[@crazygrainger2006]

I've learnt a new word from this video: Fratricide.

[@mohamednsiri7713]

what does that mean

[@johnrankin7135]

Wololo

[@selimsert45]

@@mohamednsiri7713 brother killer

[@jonlothbrok2230]

How do you say it in english ?

[@_semih_]

@Бастин Џибер what a stupid comment. Another Russian troll :)

[@tonlito22]

Horrifically enough, the idea that fratricide would spare the Empire pain only really increased the odds that the new ruler would be the most dangerous psychopath of the the bunch. Specifically, it ensured that all the Princes hated each other, and most of them would hate their Father as well, as naming an heir apparent is tantamount to wishing all the other Princes dead. So when the Princes aren't helpless squirmy babies it guarantees that they will go to war to save their own skins if nothing else.

[@theyoungottoman3533]

This is a good video which condenses the history of Ottoman fratricide into an informative manner - one interesting thing that you could have mentioned is that the reign of the "Mad Sultan" Mustafa I was also the one which oversaw the first regicide in Ottoman history: the murder of the teen Sultan Osman II. Osman deposed his uncle Mustafa with the help of a reforming faction at court (but notably did not kill him - the slaying of a sitting Caliph and Emperor was still much too great of a taboo.) He put in motion a number of changes, but the one that went too far for the conservative elements at court was that he planned to eliminate the Jannisaries and replace them with a normally waged army based on the model of Swedish emperor Gustavus Adolphus. Because of this, palace factions of the ulema and jannisaries mobilized against him and killed him to reinstall Mustafa on the throne - the first ever killing of an Ottoman Emperor.

[@TheIronHordesman2]

@@lastword8783 Because the jannisaries had too much power and they realised that the jannisaries started killing sultans to get money (Cülüş:Good sum of money given after the ruler of the empire changed) The empire for a time was practically ruled by the jannisaries, reforming them would be disadvantageus. What stops them from doing it again?

[@Nirrini]

Agreed. The story of Young Osman (Osman II) is one of the most interesting and saddest one, I think. I watched the video made by channel Leydi Rum about the story of Young Osman and it was so heartbreaking to see his rise and fall, brother turning against brother, the scheming of Kösem Sultan behind his back and the death of Young Osman. He was ahead of his time but the janniseries were unreasoning and ruthless to him. The only Sultan that was murdered by his own men. The youngest one too.

[@thephilosophermma8449]

Traditionally Ottoman princes were sent as governors to the provinces upon reaching the age of maturity in order to acquire practical experience with running the empire. This was where they built up their power base from which to launch their bid for the empire. During the reign of Süleyman the Magnificent (r. 1520-1566) the empire witnessed particularly brutal warfare between his sons during the last decade and a half of his reign. Whether a direct result of this or not, the next two generations of Ottoman rulers began practicing what the historian Leslie Peirce calls "temporary reproductive monogamy," such that they bore only one son with one concubine before coming to the throne, after which they were free to take up other concubines and have more children. This had critical consequences, for when Selim II died eight years into his reign (1574), his son Murad III was the only prince elderly enough to possess a provincial governorship - Selim's five other sons were still children in the palace. Thus they were easy targets for Murad to execute. Murad likewise had only one son at the time, the future Mehmed III. When Mehmed took the throne he had his young brothers executed yet again, but this time there were 19 of them - Murad had been prolific with his concubines. This horrified the population of Istanbul. Rather than princes proving their worth on far-away battlefields as in the past, now the leading prince was simply massacring innocent and helpless children in the palace, and the population was witness to their many coffins being paraded out of the palace - the mausoleum in which they are buried is still open to the public in Istanbul today, just outside Hagia Sophia.

[@ElSeto93]

Just play Crusader Kings 2, you will understand it pretty quickly.

[@masonxx0074]

I am an old viewer and I can say that ur animation got a lot better a lot better

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for being with us for a long time.

[@jamestang1227]

I would like to point out that there is a debate whether "feudalism" as a defined concept actually existed because every region in Europe and Asia had a different model of government that almost never exactly corresponded to what we would think of as "feudalism". Some people think we should stop using it as a term at all as it overly simplifies many areas and their systems of government. Its an interesting thought.

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is a good point and, as you said, there is a debate going on. There are many economic and political schools of thought, so it is often difficult to reach a consensus.

[@AWearyExile]

I see this idea a lot and I don't really get why it's such a huge issue. Yeah there were different kinds of "Feudalism" but if they weren't all exactly the same that doesn't mean they didn't have commonalities. You could say the same thing about "Imperialism" Roman imperialism was very different from Aztec imperialism, but they both had a lot of similarities in practices and outcomes.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

One of the questions I always struggled with was "is serfdom slavery? If so, when does it cross the line? Can you have some rights and still be a slave?". I have no firm answer to these questions

[@cardboardbox191]

@@worsethanjoerogan8061 In terms of linguistic we could argue forever. If I remember right greek "slaves" had rights. You could argue that it depends on how much freedom everyone else has in comparison to you.

[@JonatasAdoM]

I love how they interpreted the spilling of blood as to literally make someone bleed, as opposed to killing them

[@safiuddinmohammed1224]

the muslim clergy gained notoriety in the muslim world for such twisted interpretations...the sultan consulting the sheikh ul islam: but sheikh, the book says i cannot kill...the sheikh: the book doesnt say u cannot kill, it just says u do not spill their blood...the sultan: are u saying theres a way out?...the sheikh: yes, strangulate them...no blood...the sultan: jeez, u just saved me.

[@kursatipsir9768]

After Timur captured the city of Sivas, the Armenian Sipahis (Ottoman soldiers) in the city killed Timur's Garrison and took control. Timur said that if they surrender to the ottoman soldiers, he would not shed blood. After the soldiers surrendered, he dug a big hole and buried 4000 Armenian sipahis alive. So he didn't shed blood.

[@kaganbaykal6984]

It is based on an old Turkic belief from Tengrism called Kut , which means right to rule is a divine essence in blood , granted by god to all descendants all rulers.

[@baloocallout678]

@@safiuddinmohammed1224 If that is true, that is one big bruh.

[@AS-yz2iz]

And I imagine that strangulation is not one of the most pleasant ways to die.

[@muazkamarul1864]

Me: Watches Ottoman Politics Advert: *Game of Thrones* *_WELL PLAYED_*

[@unleashingpotential-psycho9433]

Sad that the Sultans Had to kill their brothers.

[@supera2960]

@God bless America wot..... That's the dumbest thing I ever heard......

[@afterlife1897]

Islam disallows murder.

[@Robothuck]

y'all need Ali

[@muhammadshuvo4321]

God bless America is an idiot. Islam is the peaceful religion. He don't know 00.01% of Islam.

[@peterspatling3151]

If Islam is the peaceful religion, why is there war in Jemen?

[@EvilMaleficus]

Quality of your vids is just better and better with each week passing, love it!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you very much!

[@serhatbilyaz7850]

Hurrem, GODDAMN! Great content by the way, please keep doing this kind of stuff.

[@KingsandGenerals]

We will, thank you :-)

[@sectorgovernor]

And Bayezid's picture is from the Mühtesem Yüzyil :)

[@kanal2123a]

Hurrem ( Aleksandra ) was actually Serbian and Mahidervan was Albanian..

[@sowhat249]

@@kanal2123a | Hurrem was born in a town that is located in Ukraine, today. Since there was no Ukrainian nationality back then, and since the town was controlled by Poland at the time of her birth, it is pretty safe to assume she was either Polish or Ruthenian (Rus', or Rus'+Polish mixed)

[@kanal2123a]

@@sowhat249 Her family was half Serbian and half Polish, they lived in area near modern day Crimea and she was taken during the war, Mahidervan was Albanian but not Balkan Albanian, her family was one of few Albanian families that dared to stay in Crimea that is also why Hurem and her hate each other, Crimeans and Ruthenians didn't really have good relations :P

[@RahimullahQazi]

Again I am impressed by your production value. You have surpassed history Channel and national geography. Love your channel.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you very much!

[@enestekin6109]

Sad but true... Thanks to this application Ottoman Empire lived long enough...

[@Yassinekamp]

Interesting to note is that the Byzantines used to blind and exile pretenders and claimants to the throne rather than killing them. Maybe the Ottomans should have look at that, or bring those children to India to some random poor family. Better than killing them.

[@iTechRevolutionTV]

The Ottomans were really good administrators. This comes from copying and using the things that work and abolishing things that don't. Civil wars were really relevent in the Seljuk Empire, they learned from their experiences with the Seljuks that such an action will 1. weaken the region and 2 erupt civil war;

[@jamestown8398]

Had the Ottomans been Christians, they could have required the younger sons to become celibate monks (thereby excluding them from succession).

[@iTechRevolutionTV]

@@jamestown8398 The problem with that is, that it is legally right (in hypothesis) however, usually the argue to the throne is not directly influenced by the princes. It was common that vezirs or grand vezirs sided themselves with princes for their own benefit (thr act of manipulation happens very early on). So that celibate monks thing doesn't matter as well.

[@wizardofoz9803]

The problem lies with a rebellion in the early to mid 15th century. After Ankara, one of Bayezids son was taken by the Timurids only to return after Mehmed I secured his rule. He claimed the throne while Mehmed did not recognise him as his brother so another rebellion broke out. The importance of this story is that there is no 100% guarantee of exiling the relatives. Someone unknown can claim to be a claimant.

[@siechamontillado]

Man, who knew that the price for fabulous furniture was murdering your family...

[@heavenwatcher100]

Great video indeed! I remembered 2 weeks ago I had issues with Ottoman successions. Now you guys just kept the promise and released a video explaining this topic. By the way, the music piece in this video, Üsküdara Giderken was very symbolic of this empire.

[@eezghp7712]

A Game Of Thrones of kinda series about the ottoman empire could be very lit; Kin Killing, Sultanete of Women, Euneuchs, Scheming, Mideastern/European culture, Black Grand Viziers (Zanj) etc

[@eurech]

Magnificent Century exists

[@wheezysqueezebox7651]

Magnificent Century and the sequel, Magnificent Century: Kosem , highly fictionalized, but worth watching!

[@frankwu4747]

6:00, for all Assassin’s creed fans, this is part of the plot of Revelations.

[@elijahwatson3474]

Ah that explain the tension in revelations.

[@emresar6364]

There is one simple tradition in Turkish dynasties. If your house can found state, you are chosen by the god(both tengri and later islamic) cuz you've survived. This dynasty would get rights of administrate people of all around the world. That is why Turks did endless conquest all around the world. Purpose of managing all the people was aiming "world order" that you mention in your video. Its called "Nizam-ı Alem" in Ottoman literature. So Turks had believed that they are created by god to protect world order since when they appeared in history. But there was a problem. Turkish inheritance system was really big problem about state. There was no stability to administration cuz there was a lot of heirs of the throne. Civil war was needed when the khan(or sultan whatever you want) died. cuz the strong and chosen one had to be seen for world order. That is why Turkish(Seljuk, Turkic Khaganate, Ottomans, Beyliks etc) and Mongol states got a lot of civil wars. Ottoman inheritance system had fixed this bug. Ofc with another negative features. Ottoman princes always felt the death. They had a pessimistic, anxious mood. Even some of em were mad. So Ottomans lived long with this curse. The memories of the palace are full of the suffering of these executions. Sultans were not happy too.

[@معرفةوترفيه-ت2ظ]

I am pretty sure it was borrowed from the byzantines because we know byzantines had the exact same idea in which successful rebellions were legal and failed rebellions are illegal .

[@emresar6364]

Not really because it appeared in Central Asia before the Turks had engaged with Byzantines by both wars and diplomatic. There is no need to find source cuz a lot of nations had ideas like that. I don't ignore. It spreads from tengrism because its paganic religious tradition.

[@معرفةوترفيه-ت2ظ]

@@emresar6364 I doubt that tbh , the only culture that had this idea were the byzantines (maybe the mandate of heaven is a bit close but not really) , I doubt the culture that was the most effected by them developed it independently.

[@mustafasonmez24]

Güzel yazmışsın.

[@tulparkultigintengrikut8440]

Lan osmanlilar orta asya türklerle alagasi yok, farslasmis, araplasmis

[@soloturk2470]

Good quality video, good voice and a lot of info you guys deserve a lot of likes and subs for the hard work! Im glad im subbed to this channel.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Same here, thanks for being our subscriber. :-)

[@penahibrahimbeyli7001]

Turkish history is indeed full of struggles.. cCc I am türkisch respect from Tebriz S. Azerbaijan cCc

[@jafarzade4872]

Salam qardaş

[@kasadam85]

@Chipmunk no

[@aysenurtozlu7671]

Chipmunk you kinda missed the point tho

[@YourBrotherAbdul911]

Nice video as always @Kings and Generals! I would like to see a standalone video of the janissaries in the Ottoman Empire. How the system worked, how they got trained and overall their history from the early ages of the Ottomans to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Would be very interesting! Keep up the good work.

[@archsteel7]

All the people in the comments who are all up in arms about how this is amoral don't really understand that feudalism itself is amoral. This way, thousands of people don't die the moment the king dies... Only a handful. For most people of the kingdom, this is an incredible mercy.

[@kangagoes9667]

daily coversation in palace Mom: Kids, Go to karate club and get black belt, before your half brother kill you. Dad : Don't kill your brother here! my brother : Bro!, wana drink some (poisoned) wine? Teacher: Let's read survival guide book. Me: Cry..

[@TheSamuraijim87]

This was a great video, and i particularly liked the focus on the Sassanian legacy on the Islamic World, but i do have some constructive feedback. I think more focus could have been given to the steppe background of the Turkic peoples. The Ottomans never forgot that they had descended from the Steppes, and were acutely aware of the dictates of the Yasa (the steppe law of Jenghiz), which remained thoroughly entrenched in Turkic tradition. The Yasa, which was also in many ways (including the name) adapted into the Ottoman secular law, clearly notes that succession is only legitimate through a Kuriltay, and any son can advance their claim equally, even to the point of summoning an anti-kuriltay to declare themselves Khan, at which point war is inevitable. The Ottomans, and perhaps the Turkic Peoples themselves, were a people at war with their own souls, because they wanted to show the world that they were mighty Persian Kings worthy of the model of kingship outlined in the Shahnameh, but entirely unable to forget that they had been Steppe warriors, and in many ways these two traditions couldn't be reconciled.

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is a fair comment. I am aware of the "identity crisis" of the Ottoman sultans. They tried to incorporate too many stories and symbols - Nomadic Warrior, Sassanid Shah, Caliph, Caesar, Defender of the Orthodox Christians and the Jews, European King, Just Ruler, Gallant Poet and so on and so forth. It is really hard to express and explain it in a short video.

[@TheSamuraijim87]

@@KingsandGenerals That's true enough. But i think that the other identity elements, Caliph and Governor of the Orthodox and Jews, aside, are not part of succession and in this respect are fairly minor. Without covering the cultural inheritance of both Persia and the Steppe, we lose the ability to truly understand the Ottoman character.

[@erenyesil5897]

'Yasa' means law in turkish btw

[@crazymonkey19071907]

"They wanted to show they were mighty Persian Kings"? What? The Ottoman Sultan's never saw themselves affiliated with the Persians. The Ottomans and Persians were rivals for centuries during the presence of the Ottoman Empire. So let me tell you this, no Ottoman Sultan ever wanted to be like a "Persian King". Persian's were even seen inferior people by the Turks...

[@TurquazCannabiz]

cramnkey13469721907 thank you. I don’t know how this guy came up with the Ottoman-Persian link. Two completely different things.

[@LOLquendoTV]

3:05 hmmm I wonder which one became sultan, the one with a title and portrait or the other one

[@rome5485]

With title and portrait he is Yıldırım Beyazid.

[@ELVIS1975T]

Adam espri yapıyor@@rome5485 kardeşim.

[@tippyandfriend]

My brother protested greatly as I strangled him to death, 'now we won't come into conflict and kill each other' I said, but he didn't seem to understand that by killing him I wouldn't have to kill him.

[@sacedive]

I can’t imagine a father telling his son to kill his other sons.

[@nicolettileo]

Because we Humans have difficulties understanding Turks.

[@curious_one1156]

Indeed. But, they prevented thousands of people being killed in Civil Wars. They had to choose between two evils. We may not judge, as we have never been caught between such choices.

[@Markussiemens658]

@@nicolettileo if your meaning of human is being an imbecile, i can agree with you.

[@ruksharalam173]

@ It's already mentioned in the video that splitting territories would bring more wars like in Europe.

[@ruksharalam173]

@@Murat-eq3cr MURDER of an innocent is NOT justified for any means.. If such cruel sacrifice were indeed needed, it means that system MUST NOT exist in the first place.

[@eskihesap9985]

Ideas that were weird but actually worked for 600 years until they didnt.

[@furioussherman7265]

I'm rather surprised you didn't mention Sultan Ibrahim as the prime example of the Ottoman succession system's flaws. He was locked away in the Golden Cage until his early 20s and when he was let out and crowned sultan in 1640, he thought it was a cruel trick until they presented him with his predecessor's corpse. Afterwards, he basically went on an extended sexual binge through his harem while his viziers and mother ran the show, fathering three future sultans, showering his favourite concubines with outrageous gifts, and even going against Ottoman tradition by officially marrying one of them, among many other faux pas. He also did get involved enough in politics to start a 24 year war with Venice, though his most infamous deed was still focused on the harem. Allegedly, he had every single woman in it, totaling almost 300 women, drowned in the Bosporus on the grounds of suspected treason. Eventually, his excessive tendencies and horrid statecraft led to his own mother and the Janissaries overthrowing and strangling him to death in 1648. Because of his reign, historians coined him "Ibrahim the Mad" in the 20th century.

[@KHK001]

Great video! You should cover Ottoman-Mamluk War Next :)

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks! Planning to!

[@berkin3086]

Turks and Mongols in Central Asia calls "Law of the Wolves". There is just 1 Alpha in Wolfpack and there is just 1 leader on the tribe;) thats Old Central Asia rules Ottoman just used it in Anatolia.

[@kellharris2491]

Really stupid then because most packs have two alphas and the children just go off and start there own packs latter on.

[@josepablitoaurar7051]

@@kellharris2491 not really t'he second alpha is a beta...

[@kellharris2491]

@@josepablitoaurar7051 not exactly. The old beliefs we thought about wolves have been debunked. Their actually co alphas or a mating pair. And they are dominate to their children. Often a child from a previous year will be next in charge or beta. Or the a more submissive sibling. While it's true a male alpha might lead the pack sometimes the female alpha will take charge as well. Usually when she is with child. She will take control of the pack and direct them to building a den. She will often assert herself for food first for herself and with any pups. The pack will then bend to providing for the pups first while they are young. The mother becomes super aggressive about providing for them. A wolf pack is first and for most a family and function like one. With a mating pair at the top. Sometimes a wolf will hit it and quite it. If a mother has kids she will often become alpha and raise her kids alone if she has too. Although she might call over a wondering male to join her pack.

[@josepablitoaurar7051]

@@kellharris2491 that doesnt make sense bécause if t'he second alpha is a alpha just when t'he first alpha is not available it makes t'he second alpha a beta.

[@kellharris2491]

@@josepablitoaurar7051 hierarchy amongst wolves often have male wolves focus on dominating male wolves. And the female wolves will first target other female wolves. Basically the males compete who gets to mate. And the females compete primarily with other females on who gets to hit it with the alpha male forming a distinct hierarchy between genders. Other then fighting for which gets food first fighting over who gets to mate is what actually determines hierarchy. So basically ther is an alpha male and and an alpha female. Two distinct leaders if there gender group. These two mate and become parents to there kids who they will naturally be dominate to. It depends on the size of the pack but the male and or female wolf next dominate becomes beta or next in charge. With other wolves often yearlings from the previous litter making up the rest of the pack. If the pack is especially large and more pups are allowed then there might be a co alpha pair and a beta pair with pups. The alpha pair practice population control. Female alphas will chase away other females in heat and the alpha males other males. If the alpha wolf pays to much attention to a female in heat the female wolf will loose her shit and attack the female wolf until she starts hiding for a time. The same with the males. The beta male or female is the wolf most likely to compete with the male or female alpha respectively for the chance to mate. The next most aggressive. The other wolves will fluctuate in the hierarchy often times the other wolves usually older wolves after 2 to 3 years will leave there home pack and find a female or male wolf on there own and form a pack on there own creating a new alpha pair. Pups compete with there litter mates but often they are dominate because they are the parents and older aunts and uncles who feed them.

[@Liphted]

Man. I love this channel.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Happy to hear that! :-)

[@feelsgoodman9751]

A few things, first; Bayezid also started his reign with fratricide by strangling Yakub, it was not during the battle. Secondly: Mehmed II did NOT appoint one of his sons as his heir, there was no crown prince when he died

[@dtevenededenden]

Damn gavelkind

[@rayanhey2411]

And they say games cannot teach you things

[@ideclaredwaronyourfrenchas4123]

Laughs in Elective Monarchy

[@Saguser-jl7dr7wy9t]

Gavelkind/Elective: I am the worst form of goverment in CK2. Imperial Byzantine: Hold my beer greeny.

[@antonioklaic4839]

@@Saguser-jl7dr7wy9t Byzantines revolt as a traditional ritual.

[@Saguser-jl7dr7wy9t]

@@antonioklaic4839 yeah. Paradox: Byzantine will have Imperial Government Fans before Holy Fury: ohhh Great! What are the features?) Paradox: ... You cannot put some random guy with 26 martial as a commander, so as a reward we give you a Doux with martial 1 skill. Also there's no Kingdom usurpation Enjoy your game))))) Fans after: ....

[@12345sincara]

The removal of this practice was what resulted in the downfall of the ottoman empire without a doubt. Resulted in many rebellions many sultans being killed/threatened and many derulings and such. Even the last major Ottoman sultan who was without a doubt one of the biggest leaders at its time was dethroned and this resulted in the ottoman empire being led by less competent leaders.

[@richirich999]

Their sisters must be nervously sipping their tea watching all that go down.

[@sallylee4924]

Just found this channel and video. Loved it! Looking forward to binging all other videos.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Welcome aboard!

[@denniscleary7580]

Like the Ottomans, many cultures did the same thing to sustain power. Love your work kings 👍

[@arawn1061]

Not really

[@giadinhhang5988]

yeah the early Chinese kingdoms was like that but instead of killing them the new kings would just send his brothers to other kingdoms as hostages which was a way to avoid staining their reputation

[@LinusLinothorax]

Many Muslim cultures, you mean.

[@heavenwatcher100]

Linus Linuthorax Nope. Almost all religions and cultures have that issue. It's not a Muslim copyright. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fratricide

[@heavenwatcher100]

Aron Johansson Almost all religions and cultures have that issue. It's not a Muslim copyright. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fratricide Also, Wikipedia didn't list fratricides in the Sinosphere. But even Confucius society like China and Korea have fratricides. The younger son of Emperor Qin Shihuang(CIV6) murdered his older brother. The second emperor of Tang killed both his older and younger brother to secure the throne. The greatest emperor of Ming (the nation with most development at the starting date of eu4), Yongle emperor revolted and usurped the throne from his nephew. In general fratricides in succession is a common practice in almost all cultures and religions.

[@superlegomaster55]

Good job guys! This channel has bright future, it became so good! Love the content. It's funny to see so many people discussing politics and religion. I mean this is history channel, it should stay so. Like to read hate comments they make my day.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank yoU!

[@archimedes4300]

islam: "thou shall not kill" ottomans: bbut, power...

[@archimedes4300]

@Alan Nixon muslims also believe in moses and the 10 commandments

[@archimedes4300]

@Alan Nixon yes, they aren't listed but they are in moses' dialogues, all seperated up, but all 10 commandments are applied in islamic law as written in the hadiths(not sharia bcs sharia is different)

[@WolphL0]

​@Kayra Deniz "killing them is allowed if they commited apostasy, blasphemy, murder or their existence weakens Islamic outority." Apostasy and blasphemy: Deuteronomy 13:6-10 "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because he sought to entice you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." I'd also like evidence for your last claim about fratricide being permissible if it "weakens Islamic authority". I'd also like for you to specify what you mean by "weakening Islamic authority". Are you suggesting that it is acceptable in Islam to kill an innocent baby if he's to "weaken Islamic authority"? Are you also suggesting that if a Muslim's mere existence is perceived as a threat, even though he himself isn't doing anything or planning on doing anything, it is acceptable in Islam to kill him? Do you have evidence from Islamic scripture? I really want evidence for this stuff you've claimed because I smell BS being pulled out from someone's behind. If you actually do your research, the Ottoman clergy greatly opposed this practice of infant fratricides, as you can see at the end of this video where a request for such an act was always denied by the chief religious authority. Those who did allow this practice were either coerced to issue such Fatwas by the Sultans or were forced by their loyalty to the state. They provided no evidence from the Qur'an or Sunnah for fratricide.

[@alitheonekhatarnak5163]

The guy silenced the voice from 8:00

[@humzabhatti6745]

Great video

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@attilaogz9062]

4:33 No! Because he is believed that to pour the blood of Dynasty will bring bad luck. this belief came from Central Asia wiht Turks

[@arifarkan5149]

Curse uporn Empire*

[@Michael-kd1ho]

Dividing the holdings of the father equally among his sons was an old custom of the nomadic Turks and Mongols for centuries, and it usually resulted in civil wars for the throne among the sons. They retained it even after converting to Islam - those that did anyway - and the Seljuks and Ottomans both faced great difficulties as a result, with the former's empire eventually falling apart largely because of it. Genghis Khan faced a similar problem when it came to the question of choosing his heir from amongst his four legitimate sons. The ancient Franks in Europe had a similar custom once. The taboo on spilling noble blood in execution is also an old steppe custom. The common method of executing nobles among the Mongols was to break their backs with a special pole - in this manner Temujin Genghis Khan had executed his life long friend, blood brother and enemy Jamukha noyan after he finally defeated him following years of wars. In respect for his high station and noble lineage the Mongols had the last Abbasid caliph of Baghdad tied in a sack and trampled by horses, thus avoiding the spilling of his blood.

[@MishaFlower]

Talk about taking words too literally.

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

"Dividing the holdings of the father equally among his sons was an old custom of the nomadic Turks" - Its literally the oldest way, universally done by primitive cultures all over the world. In fact western plebeians practice it to this day.

[@AS-yz2iz]

Well, I'm sure some blood was spilled when the guy was trampled by horses....

[@Muhammed552]

1-Orhan wasnot first picked by his father to ruel it ws alaadin but aaldin willingly gave the throne to orhan cuz he saw orhan to be more capable 2-Murad 1 did chose bayezid 1 as his successor 3- mehmed 2 killed no one he was announce a rule by his father twice as explain before in the series and

[@ihismailhasan7081]

Keep going bro💓 keep posting new videos with accurate and data💓

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thank you!

[@gabrielvispo3329]

It would be very interesting if you could Cover videos like this About the Safavid empire too. So far i enjoyed most of the videos in this channel. Keep up the great work

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks! There are a few videos on the Ottoman Safavid wars

[@atrinoc0207]

Really good video, my big problem with it though is calling the Ottoman administrative system "feudal", you can't just refer to any class or state hierarchy in the middle ages as Feudalism, especially after describing an administrative style that literally doesn't even come close to fitting the general definition of a feudal system. Hierarchy and Feudalism aren't interchangeable terms.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Now, I know where you are coming from, but Feudalism is more than an administrative system, it is a mode of production. And for centuries, Ottoman economy was based on the subsistence economy, with the added bonuses of military Feudalism and serfdom. Only real difference between the Ottoman and Western European Feudalism was the vassalage system, which the Ottomans has replaced with a direct administrative appointments.

[@jollesracing517]

This is such a cool topic! I used this for a fantasy novel that I’m writing to add drama between royalty

[@arifarkan5149]

Read about Kösem sultan and Hurrem

[@Navak_]

The Ottomans are such a bizarre and unique civilization. They were an amalgamation of so many wildly different peoples and traditions.

[@KingsandGenerals]

The thing is it was bizarre/unique from the Muslim point of view, too.

[@THELASTMESSAGE1]

Thank u very much. That u will be covering some stuff about ottoman empire. Because there are many videos about the European empires but very less about islamic or eastern empires. Very very appreciated. 👍👍👍

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks, more on the way!

[@franzferdinand5150]

"I'm sorry, Hamid-San" *teleports behind you

[@BNSFGuy4723]

“The Sultanate of Women” kinky ;)

[@KingsandGenerals]

You guys called it that. :D

[@TrueMakedonia]

Pure evil. These pathetic, honorless, weak excuses for men killed their own blood for power. Disgusting dark age for humanity.

[@zoekarlsealland3139]

I have uploaded the Chinese subtitle, and I would like to ask---what's the difference among the Turks, Turkish, Turkified and Turco? The practice of fratricide of the Ottoman Empire have always fascinated me, and I sometimes compare it with the Chinese Tang dynasty when I talk with my mother(she teach history in middle school). We found that the Ottoman and Tang share many similarities, one of them was----like the Ottoman Sultans; the emperors of Tang usually come to power by force after Emperor Taizong killed his brother and force his father to abidcate. And the rise of Tang dynasty is associate with its dynastic struggle among relatives, so if Tang dynasty and Ottoman Empire never ended their pratice; could they live forever？ Here is some coup taken place in the Tang dynasty： Taizu--Taizong：Xuanwu Gate Incident Taizong--Gaozong：The heir rebelled against the emperor Gaozong--Zhongzong：One princes was poisoned to death, and another one brought a coup Zhongzong--Ruizong：deposition Ruizong--Wuzetian：deposition Wuzetian--Zhongzong：Coup Zhongzong--Emperor Shang：The emperor was killed by his consort and then his heir rebelled Emperor Shang--Ruizong：Coup Ruizong--Xuanzong：Coup，Princess Taiping was kill and the emperor was forced to abidcate Xuanzong--Suzong：Coup Suzong--Daizong：Two coups And by the way，could I reprint your video to www.bilibili.com？

[@zoekarlsealland3139]

Somehow you are correct

[@tarkan6485]

TURKS = All Turkic people (Turkish, Uıghur, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tatar etc) TURKİSH = Turkey Turks TURKİFİED = The name given to the people who are not Turks but who consider themselves Turk (Sample = Golden Horde was Mongol empire but Turkified)

[@abdullahchhab2325]

@@tarkan6485 Kazakhs and Kygyz people are NOT Turks. They do not call themselves Turks.

[@TheIronHordesman2]

@@abdullahchhab2325 i think he meant turkic.

[@abdullahchhab2325]

@@TheIronHordesman2 not what he said. A lot of Turks claim Kazakhs are Turks but Kazakhs themselves will absolutely reject this.

[@shaahinrapsong]

thank you for your nice videos 😍😍😙

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks for watching!

[@blacklight4720]

killing 1 important man, saving hundred thousands. I can understand that.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

A bit surprising that the practice 'softened' after a while from "murder all your brothers" to "just keep them all locked under comfortable but strictly guarded house arrest in that seperate palace where they dont bother anyone and live out their lifes in peace"? I remember at least one ottoman sultan actually having been kept in this 'golden cage' before his brother died without heirs and they let him out to rule. Also, it is often theorized that Suleiman killed his eldest son because he became too popular with the army and he feared that he would overthrow him, much like his own father had done.

[@wizardofoz9803]

Could be Osman III and Mahmud I. Osman spend 50 years in the cage so his mental health was not really... okay... he even hated attention of women.

[@kacimoofficiel3308]

do more videos about suleiman

[@bobmiller3627]

Suleiman the Hat-nificent!

[@sorenkierke57]

Dz

[@TurquazCannabiz]

Check Suleiman the Magnificent by Extra History! It's awesome and I seriously got all emotional while watching it

[@arawn1061]

Two words. Elective. Gravelkind.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Bigger demesne!

[@budakbaongsiah]

Gravel?

[@rolandorodriguez4504]

I do a trick with that though. If I'm holding a large kingdom, I don't create other kingdoms until I have enough power to proclaim an emprie. That way, the empire still exists

[@starabaraba6309]

Thank you very much for that instrumental at the end of this video. All the Best!

[@burak781]

Great video. Thanks from Turkey :)