Why did they cut off Jaime Lannister's hand?

Why did Vargo Hoat (Locke in the show) cut off Jaime's hand? The Strategy behind one of the biggest losses in Game of Thrones.
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[@LivingMyRhapsody]

By losing his hand , Jaime gained a chance at new, more fulfilling life.

[@bridge4]

side not. everyone gets on his case for being dumb, but i see it totally differently. he's sooo witty. its rude in the beginning, but it shows hes sharp. i think part of that might stem from cersei calling him stupid in the books. but im starting to realize that i have been misled by trsuting certain characters at times when they are wrong. like cersei in that moment. tyrion often in terms of higher mysteries like his opinions on wildfire. and even tywin in the show saying "thats what you WANT people to think" about jaime "not caring what people think." i now realize tywin is way off. more than anyone, jaime doesnt care. of course he cares... we all do. and it bugs him that hes viewed as a kingslayer. but unlike every other person on the planet, he never told anyone except brienne. bc he doesnt feel like its his job to expose the truth. he lives life and deals with it internally. (team brienne. she was great to him!) oh as far as your comment. i hear ya. i think jaime went through the phases of grieving and then realizes that he is more than just a sword hand. and he begins to use those others tools, like compassion and political maeneuvering in a peaceful manner (unlike basically everyone else in the story who chooses battle over parlies)

[@LivingMyRhapsody]

Jaime the unexpected hero. Living up to his white cloak. That is something I would love to see in the end of series. It would show that there is hope for the "hopeless"

[@bridge4]

+Living My Rhapsody hear, hear!!! I can't believe how big a fan of jaime I habe become since around January 2017. I'm still team davos, but jaime may have become my second favorite character

[@bridge4]

thats my bad, i shoudlnt have said it in this video. here's the link. public next friday: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6q2Z4KdirB3ias

[@vampurile]

A knight's true strength comes from his honor not his sword.

[@benjaminbaker6410]

Lost a hand but gained a heart

[@deadinside7750]

And then he raped his sister in front of the corpse of his son

[@bouttoenddismanswholecaree5078]

Dead Inside how convenient for him 👍

[@zedarkenigma]

He always had a heart. It just wasn’t shown.

[@justinbryson2906]

Yeah, I did not like Jaime until after he lost his hand. He really seemed to become a better person after that.

[@antoinerigaud_]

@@deadinside7750 not in the books

[@sloideh]

I just thought locke was just making the point that lannisters are not invincible

[@arklowrockz]

Yep that would have been exactly what I thought. Everything dosent have to have a deeper purpose

[@corndog4848]

That is why Locke did it, but the reason George RR Martin did it is not the same as the character.

[@anthonyrowe6101]

I think he knew were Jamie's fingers have been and wanted a sniff

[@bait5257]

Locke never did it in the books

[@meinhunerd]

Then who cut his hand​@@bait5257

[@awilddwight1287]

He was too op had to nerf him

[@mjb1655]

A Wild Dwight exactly. Locke was shitting his pants of the idea that jaime could possibly escape and kill them all so he had to cut off his hand

[@TwoPieceVerbot]

@@mjb1655 Yes

[@blackpaint9093]

Exactly. That's what GoT does to OP characters. Drogo died by a scratch, Oberyn died like a idiot, ser Barristan Selmy died by kids with knifes, Ser Arthur Dayne stabbed in the back.... Also the guy that let himself get killed by Jon Snow in the north of the barrier..... That's how GoT nerfs got-tier fighters....

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@blackpaint9093 That explains the Night King's quick death too, died 10 minutes after entering a battle, lol! Not to mention Viserion and Rhaegal as dragons. Either kill or maim the OP characters, so all you're left with are mostly incapable, or just plain average people, save for people like Jon I guess, but he's got Plot Armor like no other, so...

[@ethan7633]

And Jaime losing his hand was an extremely defining moment for Jaime. As he says "I was that hand." After losing that part of himself he became a better person, he found himself. I love GRRM's ideas. And as always love your videos man.

[@JefAlanLong]

Direwolf beyond the wall that’s it! Same reason Theon lost his cock. It’s where he keeps his identity. So he must grow, change.

[@temptationofmemories]

@@JefAlanLong makes one wonder if tyrion will lose his tongue too, seeing being clever is who he is and what he does best

[@JefAlanLong]

Elenei daughter of the Wind and Sea yep exactly, Cersei and Danaeris have both made threats about takings his tongue, it would certainly keep the theme. See also bran losing his ability to climb, not exactly a single identifying body part, but we learn on page one of chapter one that climbing is what he is all about. Then splat.

[@bridge4]

Thanks dbtw!

[@nitinkapoor1369]

Qhorin halfhand learnt to fight with other hand and became even better Barriston selmy said that Jaime was most natural swordsman ever seen So probably he will become even better swordsman than before

[@MsGinMo]

Cutting off his hand was also an essential move for Jaime’s arc. As he said, “I was that hand.” The hand that killed the King, the hand that fucked his sister, the hand that pushed Bran out a window. Getting rid of his hand was symbolic by essentially cutting his old way of life off, and starting the rebirth (which is then officially seen in the Bath with Brienne).

[@patrickbliss9264]

It was his left he pushed Bran with in the show.

[@malcolmmacinnis247]

Short answer. Cause it happened in the books. Long answer. Cause each character was supposed go grow from the fact that they lost the most important thing to them. Cersei:her children. Ned:his honour. It wouldn't make Jaime cool it would make him a disposable douche. The reason people liked or cared about him is because his character changed because of his loss. He would still be a dick. Jaimes story is about his redemption. It's the author showing us even a bad man or as Jaime portrays himself, a misunderstood man, can still become good and redeem himself.

[@necipfortniteksakurek4725]

Jaime wasn't a dick at all

[@necipfortniteksakurek4725]

He saved King's Landing

[@necipfortniteksakurek4725]

He was an honorable and brave knight but white cloak and Mad King soiled him

[@sofiarandal7376]

@@necipfortniteksakurek4725 oh. You fucking with me. HE THREW A CHILD FROM A FUCKING HIGH TOWER... HOPING HE DIED

[@Moneyalmenial]

What a long-winded but misguided answer. Referring to all things as part of a character's story arc is certainly deeper than "why did Locke cut off Jaime's hand?", but it's kind of meaningless.

[@zacharysmutko7252]

I always saw him losing his hand as a unbelievable insult. Like taking a priceless art work and wiping your ass with it. Also i think its a throw back to Bran when he is crippled Jamie remarks he would prefer death than being crippled.

[@1515ben1]

Jaime will end up on the Iron Throne, he will then give his hand to his right hand person. That person will then have the hand of the king.

[@bridge4]

Brenne will be queen :)

[@redlight_games]

Gendri will end up on the iron throne due to who he actually is ;O

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

Holding out for the white walker red wedding 😂

[@tanaypandey1771]

Ohh . The show sucks now.

[@sfreakc]

Oh....

[@jorywea78]

It’s end game foreshadowing. That’s how Cersei knows it’s not Jaime when Arya kills Cersei. Hands of gold are always cold But a Woman’s hand is warm.

[@Kunumbah1]

Oh my god... Wow just wow I just got chills.

[@pointyspred]

Cersei will die in childbirth. Her baby is also her little brother. As much as I would like to see Arya kill her, i don't think it will happen.

[@jorywea78]

pointyspred Fuck Hell Cersei is the main villain of the series. No way she dies naturally, she gets murdered plain and simple either by Jaime or Arya

[@dillionhouston2163]

pointyspred how is it her Lil brother unless she's pregnant by twin?

[@dillionhouston2163]

Tywin

[@stephenolder4552]

I didn't think him cutting of the hand was that strategic. I just thought it was to prove that Jaime couldn't buy, or drop his family name, to get himself out of everything.

[@unknown_nightracer634]

He got his hand cutt off because he pushed bran from the tower in winterfell.

[@jeremiahkirkman100]

i keep forgetting he did that.

[@anthonyrowe6101]

No

[@sehannizam9174]

yes

[@sjowns100]

I just want to know why he hasn't installed a bucklef or a badass hidden dagger I mean they say the sword is an extension of one's arm so why not littarly make your arm a sword?

[@samuelmanuel788]

sjowns100 exactly what i thought

[@samuelmanuel788]

Rather than giving a gold hand a hook or a valyrian steel small dagger could be highly useful in combat though not really elegant.

[@sjowns100]

LifeInPink999 yeah I mean we saw his stab Jory in the face when he was fighting Ned in Kings landing so a dragon glass dagger would be really cool

[@johnpaulcalixtolerias9351]

It's purpose was to change his character.

[@wvin1450]

I would have loved to see Vargo Hoat and his Brave Companions (commonly called the Bloody Mummers) in the TV series . They were fairly active in the novels. Also the fight scene with Brienne of Tarth and that mummer jester Shagwell would have been pretty awesome. It also would have shown were Qyburn came from (he was a mummer). Actually all of Brienne of Tarth's best fights were with mummers ... one of which she thought was The Hound.

[@mullythebully5557]

2:43 jaime and the lannisters. Sounds like an awesome band name

[@kylevalentine5431]

FACTSSSS

[@DarknessXER]

If Jaime kept his right hand he would of been unstopable of course.

[@jasongurganus9860]

Tywin told Bolton to take it so he would have to stop being a Kings guard and would have to go rule casterly rock

[@cyborg1757]

Never

[@Ma121Hunter]

Cause he was the best sword in the 7 kingdoms... Take away what made him the best and you (in theory) increase your odds of surviving an encounter with him. Granted, Vargo was a dumbass who should have never laid hands on Jaime.

[@dmcc1821]

Very good video, thanks for explaining that. I've always wondered about that. I believe that Jaymie will get the use of his sword hand back through some kind of magic and his sword will glow like milk glass for the energy of his phantom limb hand. Ramsay Bolton mentioned the phantom limb effect regarding Theon's lost member. Jaymie is Azor Ahai. Jon & Daeny are the Prince and or princess who was promised.

[@VikingVern]

Love this channel. The creator/narrator should be doing the news or something important. He's got such an awesome voice. Love your content dude keep up the awesome work!!

[@bridge4]

is news more important than GoT!? :-P. thanks, Vernon! appreciate the kind words and support!

[@RT-fx2kr]

Jaime was born seconds after Cersei, making him technically younger. My opinion has always been that Melissandre will animate his iron hand with Rhollor magic, and he'll be the Valonqar that strangles Cersei. Also, since the Mad King took liberties with Tywin's wife during the bedding, I have always thought Jaime and Cersei were actually Targaryens, bastards though they would be. Imo, Jaime will wed Daenerys and become king, who rules with an iron hand, and Jon will wed Sansa (to whom he is not really related) and become officially recognized as King in the North by Jaime and Daenerys.

[@imnotproudtobeloser9815]

They wanted to nerf Jaime

[@Account2129]

because "this should help you remember!"

[@robertzontorrevillas5625]

We all know jaime is too strong with his Right hand he would destroy everyone

[@LivingMyRhapsody]

Great job as always. Getting better and better. 😃😎

[@bridge4]

lol i kind of hate this video. its so slow and blaaaah. but i figured id upload. the information is valuable. the presentation just sucked :-/ thank you tho

[@LivingMyRhapsody]

bridge4 I liked the visuals and the pop up dialogue boxed were a nice addition.

[@bridge4]

+Living My Rhapsody did u like the new "quote box" thing that I used on the patreon video earlier today? I'm gonna do that from now on, or something like it (instead of just throwing text on screen for full quotes) In theory, I'd lIke the box to look more professional. With some layers and shadows or something. And a bottom section saying the book/chapter. But as usual,baby steps :)

[@LivingMyRhapsody]

I surely did. And when the thing were highlighted that was the cherry on top 😄 (I am allergic to cherries but nontheles, I loved it 😅)

[@newnamesameperson397]

Jamie has become one of my favorite character. I like how his redemption is going

[@bridge4]

i just finished a deep dive researching jaime for about 6-10 jaime videos i am now working on. and literally yesterday, i said to myself for a moment that jamie's my favorite character i felt bad for Davos, so i quickly jumped back on the davos train. but jaime went from my top three to a solid front-runner. he's incredible

[@ciaranthayer6628]

I hope melissandre comes across Jamie and gives him a new hand and Jamie goes back to his old ways

[@abigail3049]

Hi! I know I'm late to the party, but I just discovered your channel and completely love it and binge watch every video you posted :) Aside from what you've said in the video, I feel like Jaime loosing his hand is quite symbolic. For the record, I've not read the books yet, though I intend to. I'm not sure if it was said in the show or I just read that up on the Internet, but Jaime was born holding Cersei by the foot (and I'm assuming he was holding to her with at least one hand). They were always pretty close and I feel like he's been always only about Cersei. But as he lost his hand, he slowly loose the attachment to her as well and so began his journey to become his own person instead of Cersei's. He needed that to happen to get rid of her and to change from the douchebag to the character we all came to love. Or I'm just overinterpreting things as always :D

[@bridge4]

I dig it

[@TaurineDippy]

The mountain does so much worse than just cut Holts hands and feet off in the books.

[@eclecticcerebro8287]

They cut off his hand because as long as he had it...he would be a threat. Your perspective is an interesting one though

[@bridge4]

It's roose boltons perspective. Not mine :)

[@rayzala1393]

Better question: Why doesn't he just have a blade attached to his stump? If any of you have ever seen walking dead there's a character that loses his hand and does the same thing..in modern day. What does Jamie do? Get a useless hand (well it does save him one time) that clearly took more craftsmanship to create than a sword modification would. Remember when Bran gets crippled and Tyrion offers to make him an extremely complicated mount so that he could ride despite being crippled? Don't tell me they couldn't make it happen.

[@bridge4]

Bekwap disengar (sp?) From drizzt :)

[@johnnybaker4934]

a hook would be practical....but a fake hand is elegant.

[@winstonchurchill624]

Ray Zala It would be very impractical.

[@Jetpackguyy]

Hm and he could maybe have a ship and be a captain also.. he could be called captain blade or something

[@Alegost1]

in the show jamie said to cersei that a hook would be better, but cersei liked the look of a hand more

[@bdot11]

I wish he still had it😪

[@edmckenzie1816]

They cut off his hand because the prophecy of the Queen's death specifically says the little brother puts his HANDS around her neck. This takes the focus off him and puts it on Tyrion or maybe other little brothers, maybe Greyjoy. I think it's a diversion and it will still be Jaime. The goal was to have us look at Tyrion then be surprised when Jaime did it but too many of us guessed Jaime already so they're increasing the subterfuge.One thing I've learned about this story, if they say look left you should look everywhere else but left.

[@elchapostacos787]

I thought bran would give Jamie a weirwood hand and Jamie would swear to protect him and Jamie’s hand will be good again but it is weirwood now

[@flyingnorseman]

admit I haven't read the books so very limited in knowledge but the easy answer is the Jamie was a swordsman WMD. Robb's men admit he cut down 10 of them in the battle of the whispering woods. If Jamie got lose, he could easily kill his captors and escape. Cutting off his right hand leveled the field.

[@espere5368]

it's a shame, because we'd see a duel with Viper, maybe :D Of course there are 3 person what can fight him but i dont trust they can defeat him. In books he kill very much mens before Rob catch him.

[@KellieDoll28]

I have read ASOIAF countless times, and there’s lots of things I still don’t get. Hoat cutting off Jaime’s hand is a good example. This video has helped a lot, thank you!! 🦁🐺🐲🦌🌹🕊🌞🐠

[@bridge4]

+KellieSand04 roose explains this to jaime. I had forgotten about it too, which is why I made this. :) so my pleasure

[@32tvtv90]

He was so cocky but with that suffer he becomes really humble and understand other people's suffer as well

[@buckshoty]

I think it's pretty obvious in the books Vargo Hoat dies it to drive a wedge between Roose Bolton and Tywin Lannister. In the show it didn't fit at all and Roose would've flayed the nonexistent Locke on the spot. The show is blind to deeper consequences and short sightedly weeds characters from the books with out determining their deeper purpose. In the books, Tywin has the mountain retake Harrenhal. And he tortures Vargo Hoat, cuts off his arms and legs feeds him himself. Because he was TYWIN LANNISTERS KID! But in the show, Tywin just let's it go? Bullshit.

[@kkarall5060]

Really hated that locke character. it was satisfying to see him finally die but what happens in the book sounds far more satisfying.

[@sofiarandal7376]

@@kkarall5060 agreed

[@TheFuryHasCome]

Short answer? Talk shit, get hit.

[@bridge4]

Lol

[@JTMConceptions]

Because the game of thrones developers realized jaime was too op, so they released a patch where he lost his hand in order to nerf him.

[@jagvillani338]

Not only does The Mountain cut off Hoat's hands and feet, he makes sure that Hoat survives for a while to suffer as basically just a head and torso (until The Mountain is forced to abandon Harrenhal).

[@ericlopez1984]

They cut his hand so others can have a fighting chance against Jamie

[@solgnaleb]

to me it's kinda clear - jaime pushed bran with his right hand (the only thing he truely regrets and the only bad thing he ever did) therefore lost that exact hand. it's more a karma punishment from the gods. jaime didn't lose his life because all the good he did like saving kindslanding by killing the pyromancer/aerys.

[@robinsoncruise2228]

killed his cousin

[@solgnaleb]

@@robinsoncruise2228 no he did not

[@frankv2314]

Jamie is azor ahai the prince that was promised nuff said

[@allancg1022]

good video, just one minor correction, in the books, Jaime kills, in battle, two sons of Lord Karstark, no only one, as mentioned in the video.

[@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw]

And how drastically it changed him as a person

[@michellew2422]

I think Gendry will make Jamie a sword to strap on his stump. Maybe he'll even fight the final battle with 2 swords like The Star of the Morning (sorry I'm bad with names) Jamie did say he wished he had something more useful than a metal hand... if Gentry learned to make Valirian steel Jamie could actually do so e damage in the battle to come. Might be wishful thinking but Jon did say they needed every man I would assume he ment that he wanted them to be able to fight well.

[@bridge4]

a problem is that a sword attached to his arm is flawed since he wont have wrist movement

[@MrZoora23]

I always thought that Jaime would have gotten a sword attachment to replace his hand and i still kinda hope something similar to that happens

[@chewchewtrain3165]

Jamie gets a Lord of Light flaming sword for a prosthetic hand.. or even a Kylo Ren style light saber 😝😎🤙

[@Armylady74]

Jamie losing his hand was the best thing that happened to him. He was cocky, rude, full of 💩. He became a sincere, caring, humble person. He did wrong things before he lost his hand. Now he is about doing the right thing. Also one of my favorite characters.

[@bridge4]

I'd say it was the second best thing. Brienne is the best thing that happened to him :)

[@Armylady74]

bridge4 agree. I hope they end up together at the end!

[@jamesnash4580]

Jamie will get a dragon glass or valyrian steel punch dagger in season 8, yes or no?

[@bridge4]

Would be cool

[@postvizsla7509]

What if Jamie is Azora hai (probably a spelling error)? It’d be cool for him to have to plunge lightbringer into Cersei and regain the use of his right hand with a magic sword.

[@samanthaa.6055]

Catelyn trusted Tyrion, causing her to let Jaime go. Roose Bolton trusted the Kingslayer and all went well for him. I'm still amazed by the irony of this.

[@chairmandaenerys]

Things I do to avoid Tywin......

[@Jerome-iwnl]

To give you context, Jaime is one of the best swordsman whos ever lived in a song of ice and fire.

[@charchitthakur7364]

After ser Arthur dayne and ser barristan selmy

[@desireefarris6480]

I had to watch the video a couple of times but I finally got it. The show makes it all about Jaime existential crisis but it goes way beyond that. I never really understood the Karstark thing while it was happening and I have a lot more respect for Jon now too! Now can you explain the Umbers and why they saved Rickon and then betrayed him?

[@Ari33sa]

There's no real explenation for the Umbers. In the books there's nothing of the sort. The Umbers are steadfastly loyal. Actually imo the whole Umber, Karstark, Bolton alliance in the sixth season to me made little sense. The Umbers were somewhat forced to serve the boltons after the greatjon was imprisoned at the wedding. That was the only reason they ever and only grudgingly joined with the Lannisters and Boltons. For the Karstarks I always assumed, that they just made easy bad guy-characters for the show, as by this point we had already established that they are 'evil'. After Rickard Karstark killed to Lannister kids and denounced Robb and after his family and army later betrayed and left Robbs camp I think it was simply easy to make them out to be the bad guys. In fact it makes no sense. Yeah, the Karstarks had issues with Robb Stark, but they too were very loyal to the Starks for hundreds and thousands of years. Even if their hate for Robb spilled over to Sansa and/or Jon, they wouldn't join the Lannisters for it. Maybe it made sense for them to join the boltons if they already knew for a fact that Ramsay was about to betray the Lannisters or do their own thing. That's what they did in the books I think. But they didn't really bring up any plans between Karstarks and Boltons against the Lannisters in the show. There were some hints, that the bolton-Lannister alliance wouldn't hold for long, after Ramsay married sansa, but nothing in connection to the Karstarks... and nothing that would lead to anything, really.

[@CottonCandySharks]

DAMN way more complicated than I thought! Great video!

[@edi9892]

In the books, he also did it to ruin the plan, but I'm sure that his motivation was different, but I can't remember the details.

[@veteran0121]

Why? Because his character at that point needed to be cut down a peg. Other than doing some douchey stuff (like sister fucking and attempted child murder) the guy is perfect. Good looking, good with a sword, is the heir to a great noble ect. If these characters didn't have conflict there wouldn't be a story....and we wouldn't care otherwise. That's why.

[@SeptaShaenasSapphires]

Have you heard the theory that Hoat is a pawn in the Dornish master plan.!

[@bridge4]

nope. how so?

[@harioschtroliki]

Have you head the theory that Locke is actually a Targaryen

[@SeptaShaenasSapphires]

Qyburn is former Brave Companions. He has Dornish links. Tywin the Mountain and Armory Lorch are high value targets for Dorne. Brave Companions kill Lorch and maim Jamie.

[@harioschtroliki]

Neil Hutton Obviously

[@jzaxz333]

I'm really looking forward to Jaime's travels North...without Cersei. I was WAY too excited to see her face when he walked away...Jaime is probably my favorite character right now! 😍

[@phoenix-nc9vn]

Melissa Mosher me too

[@Killamanjam]

He did it just for fun

[@maxcovfefe]

I find it interesting that Jamie has this deep backstory where he was a legendary warrior, but we didn't get to see him fight much. The way it was done in the show, he barely fights at all, yet we, the audience just accept it as fact even though we haven't exactly seen him winning. I think that's intriguing... This seems to me like one of the more playful characters GRRM wrote because he tricks us into believing something we never actually get to see.

[@bridge4]

Not a trick tho. In the infamous interview where grrm chose jaime over aragorn (lol), he also said "healthy, two-handed jaime...one of the great swordsmen in westeros" Which is similar to briennes reflection of their fight. How no one in the realms could have handled a healthy, two-handed jaime "Kinggggslayer. Get in hereee" lol

[@maxcovfefe]

Yes, I agree. But please keep in mind I haven't yet read the books. I've only seen the show so far. With this in mind, it's true, I got to see him fight (briefly), but even that fight with Brienne wasn't given the chance to finish before they were interrupted, which is really my only point... Viewers never actually see Jaime win anything on screen. If you hadn't read the books, you have only the show's backstory to trust. It's fun how easy it is to trust even though I've never seen it.

[@bridge4]

The show doesn't highlight this, but keep in mind Jaime had been starving in a cell for months In the books it's really clear. He's wobbly. His face is significantly thinner And in the books and also the show, his hands are shackled But the main thing was that he tired out real fast I hear ya tho! (Euron gave Jaime a nice shoutout in s7 tho. SayING he fought like a god or something, cutting down greyjoys at the greyjoy rebellion)

[@Prairie_Barbarian]

You should have also mentioned at the end that not only the Mountain removes Vargo's limbs, but he has Vargo's parts cooked and fed his own flesh to himself. Called it "Roast Goat", since Vargo's sigil was the Black Goat of Qohor.

[@jamesgall475]

Jaime lannister is azor ahai the chosen one ; )

[@visashu]

I know as well. where did you find that?

[@jamesgall475]

Ive known since before the tv show even came out :)

[@visashu]

but there must be some reasons?

[@jamesgall475]

Reading his chapters in the book... his dreams/visions he has in the books... he will have to kill the woman he loves (cersi) just like nissa nissa from the azor ahai prophecy are some reasons for me

[@visashu]

Glad to hear those reasons. The only love story that was depicted beautifully in the show for long. Unfortunately some people are not going to digest him being azor ahai due to jon/dany being on screen for most of the time. We needed a bit more of mad king scene to get the audience behind jaime.

[@sillyninja65]

i remember the build up to season 8, they could of done SOOO many cool things but those twats thought theyd be innovative and do what no body wanted

[@Maryreed100]

Excellente vidéo. Merci pour votre excellente diction, primordiale pour un non-anglophone. Mon avis : 1 pas très convaincue par l'idée que Locke/Vargo pourrait, de façon réaliste, espérer un mariage dans la maison Karstark ; mais c'est sans importance ; ce qui compte surtout, c'est le point 2 ci-après. 2 en revanche, je croirais assez qu'il a deviné que Roose Bolton préparait un changement d'alliance, trahissant les Stark au profit des Lannister, que Locke/Vargo a précédemment trahis. Il est clair que ce changement d'alliance serait mortel pour Locke/Vargo . Couper la main de Jaime avait, en théorie (même si cela ne s'est pas réalisé) toutes les chances d'empêcher un rapprochement entre les Bolton et les Lannister. Même si Locke/Vargo est à la tête d'une bande armée difficilement contrôlable, il est clair qu'au moment de la capture de Jaime, il se situe dans le camp Bolton. Il est clair que Tywin serait fondé à demander compte à Roose des exactions de Locke/Vargo , dont Roose est responsable hiérarchiquement, et qu'il devrait être capable de contrôler, si toutefois il le voulait vraiment Autre chose: pourquoi Roose fait-il confiance à Jaime quand ce dernier promet de dire à son père que Roose l'a bien traité et n'est pour rien dans la perte de sa main ? (ce qui est faux ; Roose sait ce qu'il fait quand il emploie les pires bandes armées ; c'est un peu facile de dégager ensuite sa responsabilité). Mon hypothèse : la confiance de Roose, il la place surtout dans l'intérêt qu'aura, pour Tywin, le changement d'alliance qu'il lui propose. Intérêt qui pourrait le conduire à accepter d'"acheter" un récit, même moyennement crédible, effaçant la responsabilité de Roose. Les Bolton sont la seconde maison du Nord en force militaire. Leur changement de camp est de la nature à changer totalement le rapport des forces politiques et militaire, au détriment de Robb et au profit des Lannister. On peut donc compter sur Tywin pour jouer les naïfs quand Roose lui demandera de croire qu'il est pour rien dans la perte de la main de Jaime. Roose et Tywin ont des points communs : chez tous les deux, existe un penchant à utiliser des bandes armées pour faire le "sâle boulot" sans l'assumer mais en en profitant. Ils sont faits pour s'entendre si les intérêts convergent.

[@TheMan-je5xq]

I just read about a mercenary named Gotz who lost his hand and made himself a metal one that could actually clamp its fingers down and have somewhat of a grip. They should have gave Jaime that since it was done in history I don’t know how useful it would be but it’s certainly better than no grip at all

[@froggey2162]

The Man 316 uh so you mean Guts the black swordsman?

[@TheMan-je5xq]

Hunter Walker no he’s a German mercenary from the 1500s

[@NeverExistedShadow13]

Hunter Walker Hahaha wow. That actually did sounded awfully close to Guts. Even the name

[@stefdiazdiaz7067]

Miura supposedly got inspired by that Gotz when designing Guts...

[@treshapowell3259]

kool vid! Now I know ur a non-believer, but Jaime lost his sword hand for his sins - his vow to Aerys, the kinslaying! (Lannister/Targaryan whatever) He didnt lose his head coz of his mercy. vows and mercy are what the OG are into... yeah and honor and loyalty. He has the blood from the AoH. If he can pass the tests, then he has a role to play. not that it is easy. I think he said it best in s2 to Cat: "they make you swear and swear. Obey your father, obey the king, defend the king, protect the innocent ..... no matter what you do ur forsaking one vow or another. It's too much."

[@imabigscrewball]

I love how you go through the books and the show. Unfortunately I lost a great deal of my comics and the books when I moved. No joke 100's of dollars gone.. might not seem like but but a comic is about 2 bucks. Anywho, I love being able to recap with your videos.

[@vukkumsp]

Show has so much content from books but chooses to show of all unnecessary content and defames its ending in hurry. And now, ready to make a prequel for a unjustified sequel

[@dnicelightborne892]

Jamie was a marine he adapted and overcame. loosing his had humbled him.

[@bridge4]

I dig it

[@magnusholst2829]

i hated s8 because of it's writing but the worst plothole is why jaime even started to fight brienne on that bridge in the first place. Brienne was LITERALLY taking him back to kinglanding all he had to do was just not get caught in the north, but yet he desides to whip out the sword thing in the worst possible time for him.

[@simonbelmont65]

Locke was such a piece of shit for cutting Jaime's hand. Jamie should still have two hands. Jamie should have gotten revenge and cut off Locke's hand.

[@nightgazer5780]

I think they maybe cut off his hand too early. Like, he was an asshole, but aside from Bran and some other events, we never actually saw him be a proper dickhead, we didn’t even really see his skill with a sword that was so admired, I think they should have had more scenes that showed these, maybe he won King Roberts hand of the kind brawl and was just an egotistical arsehole for the rest of the time in kings landing. But they did very well, and I don’t know if this would have actually changed anything anyways, they had to leave out a lot of his progression due to the limits of a show anyways. They did very well and he still remains my favourite character to this day

[@warmonger9100]

He could of cut off the left hand and had the same outcome with the Lanisters. The right hand is more significant. It's the same reason they cut off Theon's cock. Theon and his cock had a reputation. Theon built his identity around it. To lose it, was worse then dying. This is the same for Jaime. He built his identity around his sword and fighting ability. To lose his right hand, is to lose himself. That is a fate, worse then death. It also hints at Theon's low self esteem and Jaime's too. Plus, maybe Jaime is lacking in that department, so, he focuses more on fighting and sleeping with his sister.

[@jimbrewer5048]

I don’t Understand y Jaime didn’t want revenge. After getting back to kings landing he never even considers taking a force to go kill locke for revenge. Red wedding was over, they didn’t need the boltons cooperation other than keeping the north in the north and not marching on KL as Rob was trying

[@siejeh8227]

Brienne the bear and Jaime the maiden fair :p

[@bridge4]

lol. Well played

[@mercilessforever]

I thought they did it to take jamie down a peg, being hes cocky arrogant and a man of means/wealth. Also being a top fighter in that world, taking his hand was also a way at neutralizing jamie as a threat.

[@amandarickert7789]

The thing I don't understand is why they didn't make him some kind of medieval prosthetic device that held a sword that way he'd still be able to fight. It seemed to me that got could have figured out something better that that huge clunky thing they used...

[@sound9864]

They just did it to antagonise,torment and mock him not only that but to show him they aren’t worth bargaining with

[@topdollar5336]

How about he goes full Willow, and connects it to his good arm. Problem solved, smh. >:(

[@irfanbalochi]

what the fuck was Locke.s problem? was it as simple as he hating nobles that he chopped off Jamies hand , throws Brienne in a pit with a Bear and now wanted to kill the young Stark? I dont buy this theory. I know the TV adaption is different from the book. but what is happening here. what did Locke want to achieve by abducting the young stark without Jon knowing? he even savagely slit his thigh to check that he was a crippled stark.

[@bridge4]

ive never thought too much about the locke bran scene, but thats a good question. i cant rationalize it off the top of my head tho are you implying that you think he must've been working for someone? actually, wasnt locke sent to the wall specifically to kill jon?

[@brendanfechter4889]

Vargo works for House Martell.

[@WyvernX_]

I just wish we would have gotten more fights with him to show his true skill

[@Skurbbz]

Hand of the King Kingslayer who has no hand

[@bridge4]

"a hand without a hand. a bad jape sister. don't ask me to rule." - jaime

[@styxkeeper]

0:20 wtf i was just thinking about this the other day! im betting he will get it back in the end

[@Wanderingwalker-ke6mg]

Yeah Locke is just old school northerner, do not speak down to that guy! Unless your a possessed hodor 😂

[@idoeini429]

Why did he deliver Jamey to Bolton and not directly to Karstark?

[@sweyn8054]

They took his sword hand because if he survived they have a better chance against him if he came for revenge

[@vijenderkumar5360]

Simple they were reading the walking dead and saw Rick with his cutted hand so they got the idea

[@user-gc8we1ht7f]

The story of Vargo Hoat AKA Locke is a better title

[@anthoniesantic4325]

I forgot the stupid things people did. To use the meme: Lots of people betray their lord. Lots of cunts. Anyway, great video man, I love these breakdowns. Sadly, there isn't any speculation or magic or mythology I can theorize about, but hey, maybe Jaime gets a new magic hand like Victarion Greyjoy. Fingers crossed (pun intended)

[@Ari33sa]

Part of me always hoped that qhorin halfhand was a Jaime foreshadowing... When it was said, that Qhorin after losing three fingers learned to be better with his left hand, than he had ever been with his right.

[@LopoBeater]

So he couldn’t fight in trial by combat for Tyrion

[@gabrielrivera751]

I'd like to see something like what happens to victaryon greyjoy in the books happen to Jaime .

[@bridge4]

if you get a chance, could you please expand on this? interesting in where ur going with it...

[@derekaring574]

Car Starks car Starks shard stars

[@asuddencaseofredpilling2664]

Gendry can make him a sword for his stump

[@Dogasus]

qyburn will make a robo hand for jaime.

[@deagolowang3580]

He was too cocky and we can't agree more with Locke