Why Disney Needs 2D

[@blackhood7200]

If you ask me, Dreanworks should also go back to 2d animation. They could probably bring in a lot of the Disney fans who've been craving 2d animation for so long.

[@dontayecason7137]

Kipo is 10/10

[@theloge09]

Problem is is that no animators do 2d very much anymore it’s all 3d so it would be undermining the hard work these 3d artists put in and they would lose jobs Disney needs better story telling

[@dontayecason7137]

@@theloge09 that's not true. They could have both very easily. Not all Disney needs to be 2D or 3D. You can have both or hire animators who can do both, DreamWorks literally has this already.

[@andrewreynolds912]

Exactly

[@andrewreynolds912]

@@dontayecason7137 that's very true, not to mention. 2D is very popular in the modern day because of how amazing it is to many people, and many industries, for example, as someone who wants to be a vtuber 2D, is very popular by both the Vtuber modeling industry for its cheaper cost compare to 3d but also to it being popular because of its expression and something that is unique and everyone of them can be unique in their own way. People love it!

[@Jonathan_Collins]

One thing I miss about 2D animation vs 3D is the unique look of 2D vs the homogenus look of 3D. Example: Hercules' animation is very obviously influenced by Classical Greek pottery paintings and Mulan is very obviously influenced by Chinese watercolor paintings. The 3D movies all look roughly the same kind of style.

[@dontayecason7137]

@@silver_dusk right but Disney didn't make any of the movies you just named. Other studios do animation just fine, we're talking about Disney here

[@austinreed7343]

Whenever they did attempt non-homogenous aesthetics (the gritty realism of DINOSAUR, the gross-out aesthetic of Chicken Little, the blob face crap in Strange World) nobody liked that.

[@Maretoast]

If they made Rio spin off, it will utilize Afro-brazilian art

[@tripleperson8455]

@@austinreed7343 what about rango, cloudy with a chance of meatballs, 9, the lego movie? I know, 0 disney in the list, but you get the point. Disney could do fun stuff with 3d animation

[@austinreed7343]

@@tripleperson8455 I blame cloudy for how homogenous 3D movies now look.

[@phillinsogood]

I know this isn’t a Disney film but Dreamworks, “Prince of Egypt” is a perfect example of a 2D film that is just visually stunning. Such a beautiful film

[@dreamguardian8320]

True.

[@olyabutorina6869]

It's not only visually stunning, the story, the characters, the direction, the music - everything os PEAK! It's one of if not THE best animated movie till these days.

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

More than anything Disney is now ashamed of being the "animation studio". There's a reason they are buying all the non-animation franchises. Also note that they are making so many live action adaptations. Disney doesn't care about animation and left it to Pixar for the most part. I call it betrayal of Disney on the medium of animation as a whole.

[@Prototype-357]

I can see Pixar putting out a 2D movie before Disney does, Pixar at least still cares about inovation.

[@leebulger7112]

@@Prototype-357 A 2D Pixar movie that is something I would be curious to see.

[@grathem9789]

​@@leebulger7112well considering that Pixar killed 2D animation in 1995 with Toy Story I wouldn't be surprised if they made a 2D film themselves

[@leebulger7112]

@@grathem9789 The hardest part would probably getting Disney to approve it or something on those lines.

[@andreasmeelie1889]

Disney still cares about animation though. After all they are still making animation movies like Strange World and Wish right? That even includes those animation sequels coming out like Frozen 3 and Zootopia 2.

[@eyedalehim]

2D is technologically cheaper, and sometimes better visually. Disney can still do 3D, it's just that they shouldn't forget 2D exists.

[@phillinsogood]

I agree like throw out some 2D films in the middle of their 3D ones

[@lk_3099]

Is 2D more time consuming than 3D?

[@yamataichul]

Is not cheaper. Certain sectors in production had people at the time more willing to work for less. At the time when princess and the frog was around 3D and 2D had the same amount of costs and time in production. 2D movies where not profitable in the 2000s, that's why they are now almost extinct

[@ziyuan1989]

2D flash animation (those that use rigging) may be cheaper then 3D animation, but hand drawn 2D animation costs a lot of money due to the need of time and manpower (animators need to draw each and every frame, and it's at least 25~30 frame just for one second), and it's even time consuming in the 20th century when applications like photoshop haven't been used in the industry, where each and every celluloid sheets need to be colored by paint. That's why even Japanese animations that still uses hand drawn 2D also uses 3D sometimes to make things easier (example the cars, robots, and walking humans in the background), and that's why most animation studios nowadays are either doing 3D animation, or the cheaper 2D flash animation (not saying 2D flash animation are bad, it's just about the time and money needed is usually lower)

[@candydream16]

​@@ziyuan1989it's disney, the can afford it

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Also the fact that Disney abandoned their 2D animation studio since Princess and the Frog. It’s so offensive they refuse to do anything with 2D animation.

[@TwilightLink77]

Winnie the Pooh 2011?

[@GoofyAhhBoxy]

@@TwilightLink77I think he means the movies

[@TwilightLink77]

@@GoofyAhhBoxy Which Winnie the Pooh 2011 is a 2D movie.

[@austinreed7343]

@@TwilightLink77 There were also Disenchanted and Mary Poppins Returns.

[@TwilightLink77]

@@austinreed7343 But I meant with Walt Disney Animation Studios.

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

Disney needs to realise this isn't the early 2000's anymore and audience's aren't going to be easily impressed with pretty colours and 3D sets. Especially major animation fans, because we are aware just what the medium of animation is capable of. We want to see something new and stylised, something that innovates animation one again. But Disney is no longer pushing any major boundaries, I am surprised Sony of all places has started this new era of animation. Disney animators and artists are immensely talented and it makes upset seeing their potential being wasted.

[@dontayecason7137]

The early 2000s were good for Disney animation. What are you talking about? Lilo and stitch, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Emperor's new groove, brother bear.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

​@@dontayecason7137Followed by Chicken Little, one of their worst movies ever made to date

[@dontayecason7137]

@@unicorntomboy9736 from a critical standpoint yes that movie is terrible however it was successful at the box office. But that's beside the point, if we're talking early 2000s, there were a lot of good Disney films. Mid to late 2000s definitely had bad Disney movies and made them the trash they are today.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@dontayecason7137 I disagree with that last part. I liked Bolt as a pre-teen kid

[@dundee6402]

@@dontayecason7137 You're completely misunderstanding their post. They didn't say the early 2000s were a bad time for Disney quality-wise, but a time where 2D animation was starting to be frowned upon in favor of 3D. Back then Disney Animation was a bit in a commercial rot after the Renaissance had ended, while Dreamworks and Pixar productions were strongly overshadowing them (with Lilo and Stitch being the only notable exception). After suffering from some major flops like Altantide and Treasure Planet, they were finally convinced to make the shift to permanent 3D. I think what really sealed the deal was Princess and the Frog underperforming vs. Tangled 1 year later being their biggest hit in decades.

[@romybank]

My dream was to work as a 2D animator for Disney. But by the time I was ready to apply, they had already changed to 3D. And with that my dream died.

[@gatewoodanimations9753]

Damn. I’m so sorry man :(

[@unicorntomboy9736]

You could have been a writer instead

[@orangeslash1667]

@@gatewoodanimations9753 The good news is that 2d is still alive in both Europe and Japan.

[@psychotophatcat]

@@unicorntomboy9736 Those aren't really compable skill sets, though.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

@@psychotophatcat That is my skillset, luckily

[@GabePlaysYT]

The saddest part about the transition from 2D to 3D in the 2000's is just how beautiful movies started to get when they blended the two together. Dreamwork movies like Road to El Dorado or Sinbad were gorgeous.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

I absolutely adore that Sinbad film. Such a good film, especially Spike. He reminds me of my late bullmastiffs.

[@onepresence9460]

Dreamworks in the 2000’s was the best. They were using the best of the three worlds: 2D, 3D and Stop-Motion. I would love if Dreamworks does that again.

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

I will always prefer 2D animation to 3D. There is a fluidity and vitality to 2D that 3D to me can not capture. While 3D could always be pushed to look more realistic there's just gonna be a point where you go "okay, but why not just make it live action then." Besides, I feel that the more realistic something looks the more it becomes bound to the rules of reality. For instance, some character designs would just look absurd when made into a 3D model. But that's not a problem for 2D; it truly is a limitless medium. Not to mention I always felt that the 2D Disney characters emoted much more than the 3D ones. If Disney decides to return to 2D its a step in the right direction. But I'll keep any hope or expectations tempered.

[@PoussinNoNeko]

Same here! 2D is indeed "limitless", emotes stronger emotions and shows richer expressions. Japanese people understand that reality better than the West does.

[@GoofyAhhBoxy]

I love the spider verse films animation so much but then studio ghibis animation is just phenomenal and aesthetically pleasing. I think I like 2d more

[@GoofyAhhBoxy]

@@PoussinNoNeko I disagree because 3d can show as much emotion as 2d. The spiderverse films are great examples. The thing is not that many people actually use 3d in a vibrant expressive way right now but soon the western 3d animation will get better

[@PoussinNoNeko]

Into the Spider-Verse was a mix of 2D and 3D. You are actually proving my point. The reason why it was so vivid, was exactly because of the 2D. Plus, if you understand how 3D objects are created, it just seems logical that any drastic change of expression or movement is harder to recreate in 3D, because you are constrained by the original shape. You have a lot more freedom in 2D.

[@FH4Player6397]

My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, has fantastic 2D animation (Especially the My Little Pony Movie)! I know this isn't a film, but I love it regardless!

[@aidanhever3369]

3D animation always aged like milk. At first, it looks impressive with its graphics and details. As years went by, it began to slip from overly polygonal to creepily realistic. Like you said, the 2D animation feels like the painting comes to life, and I can see the style of other Disney movies since I was very young. The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty, The Black Cauldron and Night on Bald Mountain segment of Fantasia feel like European gothic illustrations. The Little Mermaid was based on the tropical paintings with the original storyboard by Kay Nielsen. Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan blend well with the realism of the real world and the colorful and cartoony atmosphere of the magical lands by Mary Blair. And And 101 Dalmatians is based on the art style of 1960s Cubism. Even the best-known anime series used watercolor paintings for backgrounds before AI replaced them with hollow ones.

[@EbonyPope]

Have my upvote. Disney's 2D animation is true art with it's distinctive drawing style. 3D is nice but I see it but like good craftsmanship than true art. Real art is handmade and what Disney put out even way back in the 1940s puts anything coming out of Japan or any other country to shame. They just had that certain touch you can't replicate.

[@henrythef1guy768]

2D, 3D, and blended animation should all coexist in terms of Disney movies. If this popular demand gets higher Disney may as well bring back 2D films

[@TwilightLink77]

Wish?

[@onepresence9460]

Yes 👍👍👍

[@sliverstarX42]

After a while, 3D animation can get a little samey, especially with Disney films. It is impressive how far CGI has come, but traditional animation can pull off a lot more in my opinion.

[@MadamMonchimonchi]

Studio Ghibli tried the 3D route with Earwig and the Witch, and in my opinion it was no where near as good as it could’ve been if the kept it 2D

[@davidalbertomejiacabrera7148]

Earwing and witch look 3d is horrible.🤢🤮

[@cureaurora7591]

They were just bad at 3d animation. Orange Studio did it better with Beastars and Trigun Stampede

[@onepresence9460]

I think that what made Earwig and the Witch looking not so pretty is that they tried to capture the 2D energy from Studio Ghibli. It didn’t worked that much. What they should do instead, if they ever decide to go back to 3D, is to learn that 3D and 2D work differently. Studio Orange knows how to fully use 3D animation.

[@dreamguardian8320]

Studio Ghibli should just stick with good old 2D and never switch to 3D.

[@EbonyPope]

Disney's 2D animation is true art with it's distinctive drawing style. 3D is nice but I see it but like good craftsmanship than true art. Real art is handmade and what Disney put out even way back in the 1940s puts anything coming out of Japan or any other country to shame. They just had that certain touch you can't replicate.

[@dreamguardian8320]

Nothing would please me more than to see Disney go back to good old 2D hand drawn animation.

[@nykole1963]

3D animation is great for when you wanna do world building. Showing minute details in the background, getting little things that would be missed in traditional art is the whole point to it. 2D is more for when you want to show the expressions of characters and make details within the foreground. And that's why Dreamworks has been so good with their 3D where Pixar and Disney are starting to fall flat. Not only are their stories starting to falter, but they never design their backgrounds. Even looking at the few Encanto shots you showed, you can see they don't focus on that. You look at the backgrounds for Dreamworks and you can see every little bauble, every nook in the trees, every parting in the leaves of plants. But they have design that makes the entire scene interesting. Disney doesn't focus like that. And that's not a bad thing, but when you have 3D rendering people's faces, they all look the same. You look at all the princesses in 3D, they all have the same eyes, the same noses, the same cheekbones. It's boring. With hand drawn, you get these little differences, and imperfections, that make the characters. It's more fun, where 3D is more sanitary. They're both great, but for different things, and where Dreamworks and Sony have utilized the best of both worlds in a movie or two now, I feel like Disney's gonna miss the memo.

[@cordyceps7531]

Having 2D isn’t enough. They need writing that doesn’t suck or is only mediocre.

[@marcus3445]

Disney abandoned 2D primally because of cost (the out-of-fashion argument was just the perfect scapegoat), i wonder what changed on the 2D animation space in this almost 20 years in terms of cost and time efficiency. Those changes will determinate if 2D could actually make a come back to Disney. As we all know, money talks for this studio

[@donellebullock7404]

then explain the MCU and others that constantly bomb. They have an agenda and will burn everything down to realize it.

[@natnat8393]

Exactly. It was always about money

[@ameliajones9827]

And we’re gonna convince them to spare no expense at making an epic, hand-drawn animated film because the argument of hand-drawn being out of fashion is completely balderdash.

[@boyroy4u]

This is what I've been trying to say to people but I didn't have the right language for! I really hope animation studios start getting this idea through their thick skulls because they are being their own worst enemy atm

[@annienunyabiz6627]

All you have to do is look at the princesses in 3D in Wreck It Ralph 2. They went from extremely unique to all looking like 15 year old kids.

[@riotkitty]

Sadly Disney is now a company that hates its past and legacy. The 2D animation is associated with what they now feel ashamed of and have this hyper fixation to fix what was wrong, most of the time resulting in worse versions of the animated counterparts. Many people including myself wish for Disney to return to that, but the company cannot until it stops this self hatred cycle of trying too hard to not be what they were most known for, most proud of, most creative for.

[@ameliajones9827]

Some convincing really does need to be in order. once that is done, the company needs to realize that hand-drawn animation is important to their legacy and there’s no need to be ashamed of it. not even when it comes to what happened during the 80s.

[@Pierceson-up8fs]

Honestly, the fact 2D has been shelved so much is just plain stupid, and I strongly believe Disney’s refusal to do so is why they’ve been struggling as of late. 2D was shelved under the belief that they were seen as more childish than their 3D counterparts, but that’s just no longer the case and hasn’t been for some time. Disney’s 3D style is now associated with being a generic and childish film, because so many films since Shrek have come and diluted the idea that 3D is meant to be more mature. Now, through a combination of fans wanting to see the older style, the surge of anime fans in the west, and the most critically acclaimed 3D films incorporating a lot of 2D style, 2D is seen as the much more mature and artistic style, and Disney is missing on such a golden opportunity by choosing to make their 100 year anniversary film Tangled 5. It’s just laughable at this point. Disney once again severely overestimated their cultural impact and assumed they can exist forever by coasting. A solid 2D film would do so much in giving people faith in the idea of Disney again, yet they just aren’t smart enough to see it

[@wesmcinerny4524]

At least Disney has still done some 2D after the 2011 Winnie the Pooh, such as in Moana in 2016, Mary Poppins Returns in 2018, Disenchanted in 2022, and Once Upon a Studio in 2023.

[@pandag2825]

This was a great analysis of Disney's problematic state. I agree that they need to get back to their roots for the 100th anniversary year and bring back the magic that's been lost. Their 2d animation was their identity, but they abandoned the style, so did their credibility as a studio.

[@SaraHouck461]

IKR? Disney must think we're behaving like spoiled brats for continuously wanting hand drawn animation back to this very day, when in actuality, we're anything but!

[@idontknow-xm1hi]

And Disney has proven they can still do it too cus technically the last time they used that traditional style was last year with Disenchanted. But I'd love to see that style used on the big screen again

[@dillonohlemiller401]

I prefer 2D from Disney. And I miss it. Disney stopped using the art form that brought them so much success

[@frillydress]

I’m glad a lot of people agree with me, 2D is absolutely amazing and it’s so visually pleasing and smooth it’s beautiful.

[@scoutart1508]

fortunately, as a filmmaker myself, i have a passion project in mind for disney now that they accept 2d projects and i have been preparing portfolios from think tank, and it shall be inspired by a japanese disney attraction with menken music

[@madmouse1016]

Really miss 2D animation- it's honestly so much more interesting. Now one of my favorite Disney movies is Tangled, don't get me wrong, and they actually did so well on it. One of the things thought that I actually like the most about it is the art in it, the art that Rapunzel creates aka her painting and the chalk art-. Hell, if I was able to watched the series, I 100% would because the animation for it is so interesting to me and goes to show the endless possibilities.

[@W1ldestride]

I think that when tangled was given a 2d show that changed how everyone saw the designs (I actually think the cgi ones look a little weird now)

[@EbonyPope]

Disney's 2D animation is true art with it's distinctive drawing style. 3D is nice but I see it but like good craftsmanship than true art. Real art is handmade and what Disney put out even way back in the 1940s puts anything coming out of Japan or any other country to shame. They just had that certain touch you can't replicate.

[@srjsfangirlPL2014]

This is why I believe in variety of animation, because today's animation, no matter if it's from Disney, Dreamworks or any other studio, doesn't feel the same like it used to in the past. Let's hope they replace the current executives, so the new ones will take their place and finally bring back the true beauty of animation in general, acting, story-telling, voice acting and even music. Let's not forget the life lessons and values as well 'cause animation which exist only for commercial, political or humorous purposes is no masterpiece at all.

[@sukeyd.artist]

I’ve been saying it for a few years now like I want 2D animation movies again, 3D is nice and all but I will always love 2D more. It just has that feeling that 3D don’t have, if you know what I mean… 😢😊

[@dreamsdeep1076]

Some 2D movies had bad animation

[@giuliasole9878]

@@dreamsdeep1076 even some 3d have bad animations and look grotesque

[@AnaandVerity1259]

If Disney ever did a 2D animated film, I’d like to see them do a fairytale or some other classic story.

[@kristinabrown3077]

I desperately want to see an African fairy tale in 2D style

[@ophanimangel3143]

@@kristinabrown3077It’s weird they could do Asian (East, Middle East, South), European, Hispanic, North American folklores yet have never delved into any actual African folklores (not even North, West African stories!).

[@AnaandVerity1259]

@@kristinabrown3077 That’s a good idea. I don’t know many African fairytales, but I’d love to see one.

[@AnaandVerity1259]

@@ophanimangel3143 I’d like to see them do one set in Japan at some point.

[@Lenioogami]

Rapunzel in 2d animation 😅

[@onepresence9460]

I think Disney should do what Dreamworks did in the 90’s to the 2000’s: Be more experimental. When you look at their catalog, we had 3D CGI, 2D Hand Drawn and Stop-Motion co-existing together. The Prince of Egypt, Shrek, Chicken Run, etc. It had something for everyone. Disney should do that after Wish is finally released.

[@ladytharpofhastings]

Disney should back to 2d. Hand drawn animation in its self is beautiful and feels more personal. In animation in Sleeping Beauty is pretty distinct the way it looks like a moving tapestry.

[@andrewreynolds912]

2D is very popular in the modern day because of how amazing it is to many people, and many industries, for example, as someone who wants to be a vtuber, 2D is very popular by both the Vtuber modeling industry for its cheaper cost compare to 3d but also to it being popular because of its expression and something that is unique and everyone of them can be unique in their own way. People love it!

[@SharmClucas]

Disney didn't just drop 2D randomly. In video games and in movies, when 3D got momentum there was a wierd general feeling at the time that anything that wasn't 3D but was done in another art style was considered "lesser" or "cheap". It might have just been the critics, but they had more power back then. This push happened in different ways in different times. Video games had this in the late 90's. I remember distinctly all the game mags panning Curse of Monkey Island for being traditionally animated, and it was GORGEOUS. Grim Fandango was buggy and rough looking but was 3D so it was praised. Disney doing 2D animation was seen as the last holdout, and not in a good way, when every other animation movie company was doing 3D. Now we look back on the 2D games and movies made during that "push for progress" time and praise the style, beauty, and personal touch, but back then those films/games didn't get that praise. Also, I think 3D might also be cheaper to produce when the models don't need to be changed up. So if you're in the same areas with the same costumes and hair styles with fewer characters, all that work that's frontloaded to make something 3D can then be just animated however you want for as long as you want quite easily. 3D is easier to keep characters on model. 2D is better for more dynamic stories, where the costumes, places, and people are more diverse. If done in 3D, Princess and the Frog definitely would not have all those beautiful costumes. Honestly, if history played out without that 3D bias we might have reached a nice balance where the type of animation used was decided by what story was being told. I'm so frustrated because I never agreed with the push for everyone to adopt 3D. Traditional animation, GOOD pixel art, all of those "out of fashion" art styles are so beautiful, they've always been my favorite. I miss old school Disney's beautiful animations full of class, personality, and life. I miss traditional animation too, but sadly there actually was a reason for it's abandonment. Just not a good one.

[@Alex-ng6hc]

How I miss the days of traditional hand drawn animation, it needs to make a comeback. Some of my favourite animated films are hand drawn; The Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Black Cauldron, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty, Treasure Planet and Atlantis The Lost Empire

[@talithacumiferguson8834]

I DEFINITELY 100% agree with everything you said in this video. The only difference being that I wish we had a perfect balance of both 2D and 3D animated movies coming from not only Disney but also all the other companies who work on animation: Dreamworks, Illumination, Universal Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Warner Bro., etc.

[@cybertramon0012]

You know, I remember a time when Disney was more or less the king of 2D animation. To the point where most people assumed practically anything 2D animated was done by Disney. In fact, while writing this I had to go look up 'The Road to El Dorado' to remember that it was made by Dreamworks. And then they bought Pixar - the king of CGI animation and the second pillar of movies - and now all they do is CGI. Edit: An advantage 2D has is that, unless it's the really cheap stuff, it never feels outdated. Compare something like Snow White, Cinderella, Peter Pan, 101 Dalmations to something like Toy Story. The 3D stuff looks very dated compared to today, whereas the 2D works hold up so well I keep being shocked to find out that the examples I mention are up to 80 years old; I used to think they had come out when I had seen them, and I was born in the 90s. These films are around 50 years older than me.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

Thank god for Spider-Verse popularizing 2D again.

[@dontayecason7137]

Spiderverse is 3D

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@dontayecason7137 No. It's both.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

It's both 2D and 3D

[@dontayecason7137]

@@vetarlittorf1807 I still wouldn't say it popularized 2D again. There hasn't been like a huge uprise in 2D animated movies or shows.

[@WolfmanArt]

Not just Disney, but alot of mainstream studios should try doing 2D films more often. Not just because we want 2D back, but also for variety. But as for Disney themselves, they need another Renaissance.

[@dreamsdeep1076]

I don’t know man we get plenty of 2D in tv and seeing as how movie theaters may not be around soon with so many blockbuster failures. It’s easier to see the demise of that before 2D ever being in the mainstream again in movies

[@andrewreynolds912]

2D was recently a couple of years ago proved once again how amazing it looks when it was shown I'm a hybrid relationship with 2d and 3d in arcane omg I loved that series it's a masterpiece

[@dennisjansson6239]

2D Forever! And i mean REAL 2D, not CGI 2D & not Flash-animation. Todays movie & tv industries rely TO MUCH on CGI & computers nowadays when making animated movies & tv-shows. Not to mention that they overuse them when making special effects. LOVE this video, nice job. 👍💙

[@KingAgniKai]

They need to make an Arthur action adventure film

[@moavideogamer8417]

2D will always be better than 3D

[@henrikechers9995]

Totally agree. The stories of new new movies are good (most of them), but I also liked the different styles of the past - Sleeping Beauty, 101 Dalmations, Hercules, Lili & Stitch, and Hunchback of Notra Dame.

[@SadGear]

The hard parts of 2D animation is to get consistency of the art work that done by bunch of artists. And that make 3D animation feels more efficient because 3D animation could reach 100% consistency easily, because of the nature of the 3D animation production. And that's the reason studios choose 3D animation because it is easier to produce

[@freakytostadacartoon]

I prefer 2D because is surreal expressive and it goes very well with fantasy and creative ideas.

[@dreamguardian8320]

Yes, 2D in my opinion is the true magic of Disney, and other studios. I even found Don Bluth's animation quite magical. I wish his animation was still around today.

[@VioletFeatherWind]

It makes me upset that this form of 2D isn’t getting much attention. I feel like they should have this is tv shows as well, not just movies. Cuz a LOT of 2D shows are usually animated by using limited techniques like copy and pasting body parts and puppeting characters and rigging, which is something I personally don’t like. I want to incorporate the hand drawn 2D animation into my own work as well, and regardless of art style, I encourage people to use it in animation as well.

[@adrielayson749]

I am honestly more annoyed how when they use cgi they go on like "Here we spent over 300 hours trying to accurately do the hair of a character" and the character has the usual (huge bug eyes, small nose, and tiny lips) while their clothes and hair look so real. When I see the 2D characters it manages to be more realistic than their cgi.

[@fightfutures2432]

Hey I was talking about Wish 2D Opportunity with my friend. Wish in 3D looks a little awkward and stale.

[@silverwizardess7921]

As an adult, I still very much enjoy 2D animation shows and movies. I like adult swim cartoons and anime and generally prefer them over live action adult shows. I just watched the season premiere for the new Superman cartoon last night and loved it! I wish 2D animation wasn't written off as something just for kids or irrelevant in this day and age.

[@dreamwithinadreamfilms]

Disney: We build our company on 2d drawings. Also Disney: We hate 2d drawings.

[@Snaaaaap]

If Disney did 2d again and it was a success, it would probably prompt all the other industries to try putting it in the mainstream again. Maybe start another renaissance? I'm not sure now, but back in the day people would follow Disney's lead.

[@m.a.ddragon939]

I really wish wolf walkers came to cinemas. It’s an absolutely gorgeous 2D animated film

[@AuraOfANobody]

My thoughts are effectively that, like. As a 2D animation fan, I'd of course love to see major western studios explore 2D animation again. Some of my favorite films are 2D animated and make brilliant use of the medium - Wolfwalkers in particular stands out to me for its shifting art styles adding to the narrative, representing different characters and parts of its world. But I don't necessarily think that unique, expressive, narrative-enhancing styles like those Have to be 2D, or at least exclusively 2D? Like, Spiderverse is an obvious one, with characters like the Vulture from Gwen's opening, or Hobie's collage style, but when you discussed the classical Chinese-inspired Artstyle in Mulan, my immediate thought actually drifted to a 3D animated work - Not a film, granted, but a video game. Okami, all the way back on the PS2, created an Entire Game in a style reminiscent of sumi-e, rendered and played in 3D, with character and setting designs to match, centered around a fitting concept of a world of Japanese mythology and folklore. And it, especially in its HD rereleases, remains gorgeous to look at To This Day, as far as I'm concerned. Highly unique and stylized 3D animation has been around for ages - It's just a matter of when film studios actually choose to put in the effort to take advantage of it on a wider scale.

[@animezilla4486]

Thank you so much for this video I was always so heartbroken that Disney stop making 2D animated films in theaters. If Disney start making 2D, animation films films in theaters again it may help the company more ways than one

[@LivingFire_BurningFlame]

I honestly think we're in the "next" Dark Age of Disney. That Rennaissance lasted through Frozen. They've had their hits, but also a string of misses. I think we'll continue to see this for another 10-20 ish years. I think Pixar is the only thing keeping Disney animation afloat. Marvel had it's run, but that's pretty much done. Don't get me wrong, I love films that aren't your typical "hero v.s. villain" but those films still require full investment... and Disney just hasn't committed. Notable examples done correctly, include everything from "Fox and the Hound" , to "Lilo and Stitch" , and "Encanto"... But yeah, Disney is in a dark place right now. They need to embrace storytelling and innovation again.

[@dontayecason7137]

The Renaissance definitely didn't last through frozen. What are you talking about?

[@theloge09]

Disney doesn’t need to change there back to 2d it need better story telling if encanto came out now instead of lost world no one would be like this, if coco came out instead of elemental no one would be like this we need more talented writers to make better story and not be controlled by disneys political agenda

[@dontayecason7137]

@@theloge09 ummm no we were still asking for 2D animation when those films came out. Yes we need better writers but it'd also be nice for some traditionally animated movies. This isn't a "one or the other" situation, we can ask for both.

[@Sir_Persevere]

@@dontayecason7137 Bingo! We had coexistence of animation styles in the 90's. I wish we had those days again.

[@unicorntomboy9736]

​@@Sir_PersevereGroomer's agenda? You say your homophobic and be done with it

[@neilhannan7525]

Do what Klaus did 2D animation with newer technology like shadow or what American The motion picture movie did ❤🎉

[@BabyAdriver2565]

Past Disney 2D Movies are more better than modern reboots like Disney should've been better than this like where's the magic?

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

Magic traded for ideology and politics. Passion replaced by greed. Forgone stories for talking points. I’m with you, I want our classics back.

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Agreed.

[@onepresence9460]

I hope Disney stops with these live-action remakes and focus on new original animated projects like adapting other fairy tales and/or reviving cancelled projects like Gigantic and King of the Elves.

[@goGothitaLOL]

As a early 2000s baby who once had lots of DVDs to choose from, used to watch TV and grew up with some of the Disney Renaissance (Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan as well as their at the time a few years old like The Emperor’s New Groove, Atlantas, Lilo & Sitich, Treasure Planet, and even Brother Bear), as well as Osmosis Jones, The Road to El Dorado, Sinbad, Anastasia, and a surprising one Eight Crazy Nights…..and of course some of the theatrical movies based on cartoon shows (Rugrats, Wold Thornberries, The Powerpuff Girls, SpongeBob) + some other ones, also watched most of these on DVD and the other portion via TV, I miss 2D Theatrical movies so much I wish they would make some theatrical 2D animated movies again (besides Anime), even SpongeBob movies ain’t going back to 2D anymore. That said there is some CG bangers like Kung Fu Panda, HTTYD (which I watched recently, alongside finished the 3 I never finished cause of scratched up DVDs), Wreck-It Ralph, and GOATs The Lego Movie and Spiderverse

[@olleselin]

You should totally do more videos about various Disney Channel shows!

[@aldone333]

I will eventually, I have some Ideas about my favorites but I want to get the movies out first since I do think it's a more popular topic at this stage of my channel

[@orangeslash1667]

@@aldone333 The good news is that 2d is still alive in both Europe and Japan.

[@Dcuniverse60]

​@@aldone333this is not reality mate so you have to accept that disney will most likely not go.back to 2d amination is not gonna happen

[@LuisSanchez-by7mh]

You made a video on various Disney villains but a villain is nothing without the hero. What are your thoughts on Disney heroes from Tarzan, Hercules, Mulan, Hiro, Ralph, and Simba.

[@kevin10001]

To me the last studio head to understand Disney was Michael Eisner cause he knew what made Disney Disney by keeping 2d animation while exploring 3d animation and the company shouldn’t have abandoned 2d animation but adapted to were they could release 2d and 3d animated movies it would keep the animators creative

[@austinreed7343]

To be fair Iger did some 2D too.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

They used to have actual composition in their old movies. Any frame from an older one of those films has at least a handful of the rules of art somewhere within. Texture, line weight, rule of 3, complementary colors, the list goes on. It's not like these can't be recreated in 3D, but it's inherent to hand drawn art. The charm and skill is on full display in 2D. Disney doesn't make art anymore though, they make money.

[@cautisticlevels4691]

Disney and Dreamworks both abandoned 2D animation because Pixar completely destroyed it with Toy story Only for pixar themselves declining in the box office with staying in their own comfort zones

[@giuliasole9878]

it's Shrek that changed animation

[@karamixon5815]

Disney needs 2D, and I wish the New Villain..... please stay is a villain.

[@ourfamilyaccount]

🙌 they listened, on May 16th 2023 the big D company they're hiring for 2D animator, research it for yourself ((youtube keeps deleting my post, lol))

[@kurosan0079]

I miss the days of western animation where 2d wasn't just for dumb shows to dumb down children.

[@facusmendoza1061]

I hope Bluebeard gets confirm and become the next feature after wish they said that this film will bring back hand drawn animation

[@phillinsogood]

Atlantis is a visually stunning film

[@majorknight859]

I'll take a good 2D movie over any live action film any day of the week. It's where the studio can really let their imagination shine and express their vision without limitation. Anime is now popular for the same reason. 2D just has soo much freedom to do what it's wants and thus you can elevate any scene from a 10 to 100

[@pinkpandamiranda]

God, I hope someone freaking uses 2D again. I miss it.

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

Let Pixar handle all 3D animation and have Disney do the 2D.

[@LannyLeArtist]

Yea

[@joshualowe959]

Disney just loves taking the easy way out and making movies in CGI

[@mayflowwy]

8:26 shout outs to this scene in the disney plus version because in the original version lilo is hiding inside of a dryer, while in the disney plus version its changed to some weird shelf thing with a pizza box? its like this so then children dont get the idea to hide inside of a dryer because thats obviously dangerous

[@gablit-gt8kk]

We'll never go back to 2D in this era unless we time travel

[@MrGabeanator]

yep disney and dreamworks need to go back to hand drawn animationm if only

[@viviennemorgan7217]

disney needs 2d animation back because I missed it while I do like 3d animation but I miss 2d animation.

[@viviennemorgan7217]

i hope that happens in a year or so that disney will get tired of 3d animation.

[@Soullessnomad]

Movies like "Klaus" and "Wolfwalkers" or even "My father's dragon" are proof of just how unique and absolutely stunning 2d animation can be. For me at least aside from puss in boots and spiderverse, all 3d movies seem like they are ashamed of being animated and want to be real with all that hyperdetails and stuff. Kinda ruins the magic of animation

[@nicolenguyen9955]

Hard agree. There's something special with 2D that 3D can't do. For your next video, maybe you should do a video on the flawed genius of the Star Wars prequels.

[@living_free_and_pride]

Even if Disney's traditional animation managed to come back from the grave, they still wouldn't be able to win me back seeing how corrupt, and hypocritically racist, hateful and bigoted they've become, I have a feeling they're only saying "We're doing this?!" just to get our hopes up. Like what one comment said, it's probably just to try to get their stock back up and get views back for Disney- (adverts for that and its logo make me want to go on a kaiju rampage every time I see them).

[@chevonjunor]

On the bright side Disney’s Wish is bringing back the 2D formula, so that’s at least something.

[@CommanderCalico]

I want disney to do a blend with 3d and 2d before going completely to 2d.

[@ComradeRagdoll]

Disney must go back to its roots and use 2-D animation to reclaim its own identity!

[@Vampydani2006]

Your right! Disney needs to bring back 2D! Because since they have lost so much money on strange world and getting dunked on by there horrible live actions so I believe that they would bring out new amazing Creators who has done this before and who has there own original story who wants there movie to be 2D cuz I think it would save Disney a lot

[@prowolf633]

I'm hoping that Wish bring the hybrid 2.5D is a sign that Disney will move forward in a better direction that brings back 2D animation AND uses all animation styles in general. 2D, 3D, 2.5D, Stopmotion, just all styles is something we of all ages deserve to see. NOT ONLY ONE STYLE!

[@hannahbrennan2131]

2D animation ages so much better than 3D animation. Compare Snow White, a nearly 90 year old movie and Shrek, a 20 year old movie. Which one looks better?

[@Muna-Jlore0997]

Disney (or Dreamworks) should go back to 2d animation because it saves them a lot of money than 3d or live action. 2d animation is hand drawn so it’s easy to make facial expression than in a computer.

[@introvertedequinesamsara6593]

Wish's art style just doesn't look right and for this movie especially it being their anniversary movie could of been it. Been the movie where they went back to 2d.

[@colebuckon3856]

3D used to be an interesting gimmick. Now it is just bland. It’s possible to do distinctive styles in 3D, but Disney isn’t taking advantage of that for their feature films.

[@austinreed7343]

If you want to get technical, there is Disenchanted and Mary Poppins Returns.

[@kelsmister]

I'm still mad disney abandoned 2d artwork for the popular trend of 3d. I don't hate 3d, but to toss away the uniqueness that made disney, well, disney.. is just sad. If anything look at anime. How much of a juggernaut THAT is. And how now the west is all "oh shiitt the public likes that japanese stuff..??"

[@animefan77]

With 3D, you always have to make them be on model and perfect so you can’t go as exaggerated as a 2D piece- whether it’s nightmarish, expressive, or comedic.

[@sabreenahrochelle3989]

Treasure planet is a great movie of blending 2D and 3D. They left that movie to die 😔

[@cureaurora7591]

They said Wish would be in 2d animation but nope it's just 3d looking like 2d 🥲. And they didn't even try to make it look beautiful nope it's so dull and boring. Atp just give us Encanto 2 instead.

[@t.v.production3062]

Yes they should go back to 2D animation even if it’s done on computer.

[@Sir_Persevere]

Why Disney needs 2D is also the same reason why Disney is dead. In its place, we have a skinwalker I lovingly dub "Distard." And Distard is so obsessed with CGI, live action, buying up stuff, and Wokeness, that it cannot see the need for the animation that made it great in the first place. Disney is not coming back. All we can do is root for James Lopez, Justin Murphy, Dragon Fox Girl, Shawn Keller, etc. #MakeClassicAnimationGreatAgain #LetTheMouseDie

[@austinreed7343]

But what if they did bring 2D back?

[@Sir_Persevere]

@@austinreed7343 It doesn't matter. They've gone too far. They're dead to me, no matter what they do. For all you know, they could bring back classic animation with a child s**ual groomer flair. And I would definitely stand in opposition to such a proposition.

[@austinreed7343]

@@Sir_Persevere But what if they also retconned the sequel trilogy?

[@Sir_Persevere]

It doesn't forgive the fact that Distard was the wrong company to buy Lucasfilm in the first place. Especially with Bob Iger strong arming George into selling his company.