Why Do Armys HATE Kpop? (Reaction)

[@DanielaMoralesA.]

yall say armys are annoying, but if anyone doesn't know one of those 2nd gen groups or any of those "songs that every KPOP stan should know", you would be skinned alive by kpop stans 😭

[@Sebastine]

LMAOOO

[@BtsyearJK2025]

That happens alot 😂😂

[@mrsta8233]

Army are dedicated to BTS so if we see anyone hating we will not have that BTS suffered enough, the way other groups and their fans mistreated BTS was and still is vile and vicious. I'm 58 years old and I have seen many groups come and go and I'm telling people BTS are the Beatles of these times, we are all witnessing history which will never be replicated. Other groups may try but they will fail , they won't have these 7 amazing men who are all talented individually but collectively they are A list Global Superstars and credible artists on the world stage ARMY are also growing in Size almost 1 billion Strong, some are fake army and use every chance to hate on BTS. They are particularly vile towards Jimin who is just an angel so kind,talented, always so supportive of his brothers and deserves the biggest apology. Other groups fans are annoying trying to sabotage BTS and then when ARMY stop them they have the audacity to say ARMY are annoying. If you are not a fan of BTS that's your loss, them, their journey through Hardships, their relationship with army will never happen again not in 10 million lifetimes.

[@DanielaMoralesA.]

@@mrsta8233 so true, kpoppies lack so much self-awareness 😭

[@eileencritchley4630]

@Swduc TBH I don't know any songs from any other kpop artist of any generation I know I've heard the a few but I don't remember what they were or who sang them because they weren't to my musical taste's so having heard them once I'd never though oh I'll listen to that again what's it called and who that singing it. Sorry but I'm a music lover that's why I love BTS. I'm also a mature woman with a mind of her own who has been involved in music making since I was 15years old.

[@shahdislam1110]

Why do people get so defensive when someone says they don’t like kpop and just listen to BTS? Like you do realize just because someone likes BTS doesn’t mean they’ll like other kpop groups, if I say I like Melanie Martinez and Melanie Martinez ALONE, no one is gonna come and tell me “well you should listen to Lana del Rey because they’re both alt artists” like why does kpop have this mob mentality. Every artist is different and makes different music so am I supposed to give kpop “a chance” if I like BTS and BTS only?

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

tru..... armys are always getting drag for listening to bts only.. they are forgetting that armys listens to other localand western artist too

[@JackInTheBox0294]

True

[@aishwaryaahirrao]

Exactly

[@axkixa8524]

​@Swduc lol

[@cherryjwan_]

​@Swduc ur fcking obsessed weirdo omfg eat shit and spend ur time in the toilet tf u being here and oppressing armys views OBSESSED W BTS AND OBSESSED W ARMYS

[@katianajacinto8293]

I actually loved this, since J-Hope release that song with J-Cole I’m having a blast seeing reactores, like real Americans that eat hip hop discovering BTS, it’s so fun, all of them started like “what is this”, and now I see them going down the rabbit hole.. it’s really fun to watch it all over again..

[@leahxo.7]

I feel those of you that are misunderstanding what boracity mag was saying haven't been asked those types of questions, because it does not stop at kpop stans or kpop journalists on twitter. you tell someone irl that you stan bts and all of a sudden they're talking about "you should give other groups a chance", "you're so close-minded", "isn't that boring?", "there's so many other better groups" etc etc. so its not that armys hate and refuse to respect other groups, its that kpop stans are audacious enough to conclude that you apparently "have no taste/bts are overrated". and personally, i also feel like some of yall don't be seeing half the weird and just vile shit kpop stans band together to do and say on twt and just generalize armys responses to said hate.....

[@Kalakeiko]

I think posts and comments like these are made over and over again, because of some toxic fans in any fandom that says that their favourite group is the most talented, hardworking, genuine, deserving and best, etc. group to ever exist and that no one will ever come close to that no matter what or deserve what their group deserves. But those kind of people can be found anywhere, not just in the BTS fandom, nor just in Kpop and that's just how it is unfortunately, even if it's very frustrating when those people downplay the achievements and successes of other groups and bash and look down on them or dismiss them as unknown/flops.

[@notyourcupoftae]

I feel like the worst thing people can do is to judge artists through their fans. First listen, then decide whether you want to listen to them or not. Good and bad things are everywhere; it's up to you to decide what you exactly want to invest your energy in. I feel like if you want to see positivity, you're going to see positive side in everything, but if you yourself want to focus on the negative then, that's exactly what you're going to see.

[@blossom6693]

I mean they just listen to BTS hit song or popular songs,if you have listened to their all albums songs like you will find many hidden gems like the song name 'Like' from their 1 St Album and many more which I like more than the popular one, sadly the song that get popularity are not their best song, so people think they are not good when they have such a diverse discography, 'what if I rule the world' is underrated and not to upset anyone is far away from kpop like song like they were unique and different since beginning although they should be the one trying to fit in the kpop standard since they come from bankrupt company and their face sadly don't fit korean beauty standard and like it even make into newspaper as other group fandom collectively trends jhope' ugly.

[@orion5445]

​@@blossom6693 That's one of the three main reasons why I got turned off of BTS. Their least popular songs are way better than the songs they're popular for. I don't know how Dionysus (which still is my favourite song from them btw) has less streams than Dynamite or Butter and it was a masterpiece. Personally that song deserved to be a title track.

[@redfuentes1065]

​@@orion5445 To be fair, the three English songs were high in numbers because they weren't streamed by just ARMY. It was actually carried by the gp. No one expected Dynamite to blow up the way it did, not by army and esp not by bts, but luckily it did. Then the next songs butter and ptd were highly anticipated by everyone after the success of dynamite. So yeah, I hope that explains why it has more streams than the other songs. It's honestly out of our control lol But thank you for appreciating their discography! I love Dionysus too, esp when performed liveee.

[@blossom6693]

@@orion5445 they themselves said that they were supposed to enlist after mots7 but bcz of COVID they stay and those 3 song were cheer up song for army and they did it in English bcz that global language.they don't want us army to have another sad news of their enlistment alongside COVID, in the beginning I myself even thought that COVID I'd deadly and many of my relatives died too and I would have devastated back then. Now they are back again in Korean language, proof is proof of that.they even make yet to come title track although run BTS could have been better from chart point of view, people hating them including army who left the fandom bcz of those 3 song and trolling them is kinda disheartening.

[@eileencritchley4630]

@@orion5445 I love Dionysus but then I was bought up on the classic's so Greek Mythology was part of that.

[@iminlovewithyoongioof]

For me, BTS is just so special (also their music is legit therapy to me) and close to me that i dont really take interest in any other group lmao, but there is some bomb ass songs tho!

[@HinataUchihaInuzuka9]

I like other k-pop groups well enough, but I'm only a fan of BTS because they're the only ones I've found a connection with and they're the only ones whose music I can appreciate beyond the exemplary sound and amazing lyrics. No other group (or artist in general, I've never been a fan of a musician before) has caught me like them and I doubt another will, BTS are one of a kind.

[@gayatrimallik8105]

Same bruh! Their lyrics,music,personalities,content,etc are comfort . Seriously no other group make me feel like home. I like songs from other groups.

[@Manueelaa]

I feel the same way. I listened to some other groups but I just didn't get into it.

[@piedpluto]

this!! bts are one in a lifetime artists

[@eileencritchley4630]

@@piedpluto Yes they are.

[@nsma2629]

Many people think Armies stereotype kpop and provide examples of kpop groups that write and produce their own songs. But they actually miss the draw of BTS and why they are not kpop but in a genre and group by themselves. So if fans can't accept other kpop groups it's because BTS stands apart in their philosophy to their presence. It's not about other K-pop 3rd gen or others not being good but BTS is different from K pop, as it is organic and pure. And as with other fandoms they Stan who they love. And staning BTS is not about their looks but their whole philosophy. Which they still maintain in their solo work. Their character, including their looks is a bonus.

[@kimyoung3160]

Agree.. before bts i was a fan of hiphop and RnB.. that's one of the reasons i became a fan of BTS because of their rapline... although taekook is my bias (not shipping) i tend to listen to rapline solo songs more

[@aashnasrivastava5648]

THIS VIDEO SUMMED UP PRETTY WELL.

[@inagoodman]

BTS is what got me into kpop, and then i started to stan any groups, and yeah.. i love kpop in general

[@torr3n]

14:51, i said this as a response to another comment i listened to them since 2017, and i showed interest in other groups at the time, MonstaX, NCT, EXO and others. But the interest for others was just gone after some time. another group that had my attention longer then others was StrayKids, but still, even they dont interest me as much for the last year or two, even tho i love their work. And for me personally, its a thing of music taste, StrayKids used to fit perfectly into my taste back in 2020-2021, but now it changed, now i like more stuff like BIBI, DPR, or recent solo track of bts members. Thats why i personally dont listen to other groups, they used to be in my taste in 2017-2018-2019, but then again, my taste change. Maybe i am wrong in my statment and you want to say it, then go ahead, im ready to read the comments. And about attention spam, i like watching long videos when i want to wind down, relax, and just absorb information slowly

[@beomgyubearz5344]

this video is literally so eye-opening. i stopped being an army long ago but i still like bts and support them wholly, and i agree with everything. especially when sebastian said we have a very low attention span. this is so damn true.

[@tasha5768]

I don't hate Kpop but i'm not interested in it to be honest. There are a few groups i think could be great in a few years but most of it i just don't see anything special in. Also yeah some other kpop fans can be very toxic and i dont understand why they always try and attack BTS. BTS however is amazing in so many ways their lyrics and songs are everything, then add their personalities and they have my heart.

[@tasha5768]

I never bothered with vine and i dont do tiktok, i can easily watch 3 hour videos i love them and i love longer songs. I really dislike when song are 2 or 2.5 minutes long.

[@torr3n]

same, im honestly only ever been interested in BTS all this time, even tho i listened to them since 2017, and i showed interest in other groups at the time, MonstaX, NCT, EXO and others. But the interest for others was just gone after some time. another group that had my attention longer then others was StrayKids, but still, even they dont interest me as much for the last year or two, even tho i love their work.

[@banananana246]

Same with me, I tried getting into other groups, I did for maybe a week or two then I slowly but surely gravitated back to BTS..I've given up trying, I think the tannies are the only group for me in kpop lmao.

[@cl7910]

They attack BTS? The first people that's been attacking the whole music industry was their fans. And just because they experience hate doesn't mean other idols went through the same thing. It's like their fandom is always spreading the narrative that their group was the only one that went through crap. FYI, the only reason people didn't see anything so favorable about BTS company when they were just rookies was because of that GLAM group that got into a BIG SCANDAL. And that issue went on for up to 2015. That's why the company put their money on overseas promotion and social media marketing. They can't disappear so the company did the next best thing, grow somewhere else.

[@cl7910]

BIGHIT tried to erased that history by using social media influencers and fans so the focus won't end up on the SCANDAL. SO, THEIR FANS JUST LITERALLY USE WHATEVER GLORIFIED STORY TO REMOVE THAT PAST. BIGHIT immediately terminated GLAM's contract after the verdict and swept them under the rug.

[@igotyesjams8090]

well at the end of the day it's.. BTS PAVED THE WAY🌌

[@whooosedooo]

As a Korean, who listened to Korean music (not as Kpop), this whole situation is kinda weird. Because like the video said, Kpop is just an whole big industry that sells product in overseas.

[@blossom6693]

Korean music and k-pop is two different things btw,

[@ashyoyrus3441]

Let's just say as someone who is well immersed in kpop and had multiple mindset changes throughout this experience, i agree that bts have something special, it wasn't just right timing and it wasn't just a coincidence that they became the way they are today they face numerous prejudices from all sides and are like this shield at the forefront that represents kpop acts in general in the west and they get so much shit for it too. But we have to learn how to separate this knowledge when dealing with other people. We have to start generalizing less because that allows us to have a much more enjoyable stanning atmosphere. There are kpop stans who are respectful and acknowledge these facts just like there are annoying and childish ones. We also need to separate groups from fandoms because it's so common to drag these artists into fanwars when irl they admire each other. there is life outside of twitter too yk? Also it's cool to not be interested in other groups and just stan one group but what i don't understand is the hate train towards multi stans? I get that a couple of them have shitty opinions on twitter but that's literally every stan out there multi or not .again with the generalization.... it's okay to be able to enjoy more than one group. In fact i was convinced i couldn't but when i actually separated the fandom shit i could so easily give things chance and love other acts and music. (Bts are still my most listened to artists of all time and there's not a content that miss from them. Stanning other groups just means that i can love other acts now too and have more music to obsess over ) It's a rant but i rlly just needed to say all of this lol

[@sydneydefreitas5157]

I understand your point! I don't think it's the hate of multis specifically, but there's a lot of multis who are self- proclaimed "armys", along with being a fan of other groups. However, the problem lies in BTS being the biggest group in the world. Because the other groups are not as big, you're going to find a lot of BTS haters in any other K-pop fandom, and the multi has to hear the hate being spewed about BTS. So, because their other group is smaller, the multi usually tends to side with the smaller group instead of defending BTS (for whatever reason), sometimes even taking part in de-humanizing and hating BTS. The things I see the most from multis is the argument that "BTS always win and it's time to give other groups a chance". Like, NO. We vote the best because we worked for it. It's not that ALL do it, but it's enough multis where there's a bad feeling when a multi who also stans BTS comes along. They just always tend to turn their backs on BTS and ARMYs, so multis leave a bad taste in our mouths.

[@mami11420]

Folks need to stay off twitter (and whatever else they need to stay off of) and surround themselves with NICE people. I’m sick and tired of someone who only stans BTS telling anyone else, let alone me, that I’m not an army. When I’m with BTS and their content - I’m army 100%. When I’m with any of my other ult group’s content - I’m there for them as their fan. If my worlds collide and my groups interact - I’m ecstatic. People don’t care who tf they hurt by what they say. Also people are ALWAYS pressured to side with the negativity than they are positivity. People don’t think for themselves because BULLYING. It’s just something I’m sick of. I don’t give asshats any time of day to tell me who I stan and who I don’t, who I am or who I am not. And I don’t let it slide if they’re doing it to someone else. But I don’t seek out shit and I swear this fandom has people who purposely seeks out shit for the hell of it. You can’t stop people from being shitty people.. so stop. And sorry but not everyone needs to kiss BTS ass cuz they’re so damn successful (rightfully so) and have (majority) a good fandom behind them helping them along the way. It’s honestly getting to the point where I stick to my people I’ve been around for the last 6 years because they haven’t changed how they think or treat anyone. I don’t wanna meet new people, in any fandom, because idk what kinda person I’m gonna get. So I support all of my ults and the tons of others I’m rooting for because MUSIC. It’s damn good music and some damn good messages too. My ot7 ass is waiting for BTS and enjoying the hell outta chapter 2 tho. Idc what others are saying because it’s a waste of time and energy that could be (for me it is) spent towards BTS. Plain and simple.

[@ashyoyrus3441]

@@mami11420 thank you. Couldn't have worded it better. Honestly when did it get so hard to find people with a normal mindset? Since it's apparently so hard to be kind nowadays smh.and the fact that they're repeating a cycle of bullying and projecting the same type of prejudice towards others that bangtan faced as they were growing is wild to me. Anyways like u said it's important to surround yourself with sane and kind people!!

[@nikkeipvck8529]

That's why BTS stans are hated

[@witcherye]

people fail to realize that real life is not like twitter. in real life i already met only armys and multis. nobody gave a damn about it, nobody said they were superior to the other. people talked about bts and other groups. that's it

[@ashneetk4901]

It’s funny how these type of videos summons K-pop fandoms and multis lol . But I love these videos ,I hope to see more 💜

[@JackInTheBox0294]

@Swduc no, their(BTS) music isnt typical kpop, thats why they have ARMY, thats why we like their music

[@batoulelzein1269]

​@Swduc everything being said in this video was, 90% correct. Bts *is* different from other kpop acts, so much so that even before 2017 they were rapidly gaining fans, because of their musical identity. I am a fan of traditional music in my country, which is very different from today's general music sound (outside and inside kpop). I tried getting into pop and rap but didn't like it for several reasons. Then I discovered bts and liked their music, lyrics and personalities; decided to give other kpop groups a listen and decide for myself. Guess what? Non of them had my attention for more than 4-6 months, because non of their music touched me the way bts' music and lyrics did. My point is, and the point clearly stated in the video, isn't that kpop is bad music, or that kpop groups are not hardworking, it is that no one is doing it like bts, no one writes lyrics like bts, even if the members do themselves. No one composes music even if the group members do it. They follow kpop trends that die quickly. Old bts music is listened to today because it is timeless music; old kpop songs are still listened to because of nostalgia

[@batoulelzein1269]

@Swduc I never once said my opinion is more valuable, even though your opinion of not liking them and their music is stated very clearly as a fact; even though it is just that - an opinion. You seem distraught by the fact that a lot of armys relate to the video. I'm not saying my experience is more valuable than yours, but ik that a huge percentage of this fandom that are only fans of bts and are casual listeners of kpop or not into kpop at all share this same experience, that's why I shared it in the first place. You wanna think bts is entirely kpop and because they are kpop and by some random extraordinary coincidence are the force they are now? Go ahead, no one can stop you. You want to think that them writing about their story that they personally went through and had to fight every force of hate left and right since their debut that they're still affected by that until now is "overused"? I'm not here to tell you to change your opinion to suit my feelings. You like a certain group, prefer their music, lyrics, probably relate to their story and think are the greatest musicians of all time? You are free to do that as well, be the fangirl/fanboy you want to be. But what you should know better not to do, is thinking your dislike towards bts is something to write about under multiple army comments sharing an opinion. Those comments never said that kpop is bad music, they *did* say though, that they didn't like it, and that's not the same thing. Almost all of us tried, and talking from a personal POV (again), it took me 2 years of discovering new groups, their members, songs and back stories until I settled on that one group. Do I entirely hate kpop now? That's not what I said. If a kpop song appeared in a yt video, I'm not gonna skip it or mute the video, that's an idiotic thing to do, but I'm not gonna seek it out and purposefully search for it and listen to it, because my music taste changed and evolved. I found what I like and settled for that, and you did too. Which is why i don't understand why you're attacking their hard work, music and their real life story which inspires them to write music, even though no one pointed fingers and called the group/s that you stan bad idols

[@batoulelzein1269]

@Swduc deeply sorry for the long reply, I didn't intend to write this much, and you are in no way obliged to reply or even read my whole comment, but I am (unfortunately for me and sometimes others) a person who enjoyed such convos, so bear with the notif we're gonna have to agree to disagree - in some points. The comments I saw were very respectful, and the video was as well, to some degree. I like that channel and their video essays but yes the generalization to the entire kpop industry is very apparent However, I do disagree that their group songs are "mid". But that's just the difference in music tastes. Their title tracks follow the trilogy formula to a tee, but they are still reflective of their lives. Their bsides are also extremely enjoyable in my opinion. Albums like Dark and Wild, Wings and Be are no skip albums, the last two being very dependent on the experiences they had in that moment Do they draw inspiration from previous kpop acts? I suppose as much, but their main writers and producers are their rappers, who rely heavily in their inspiration on past thinkers and philosophers (especially with rm) and the black rappers who were pillars in the genre, eg. J-hope's last song being with J-Cole. And as a fan who delved deeply in their work I think they drew more inspiration from the latter. Then again, a lot of fans are drawn to the lyrics and the rawness of it all. I know people who are drawn to certain "sounds" like the "noise music" of kpop (do not @ me, I've heard this term being used by fans, I am not by any means trying to be disrespectful). Some like the hiphop focused groups, the edm focused groups, the rock focused groups, the list goes on. Some who left the fandom and stopped following bts' projects once they moved on from a certain chapter in their career. And yes, their solo projects are more appealing to certain groups of music fans because they don't market as a boy group, which as a tag on a group of musicians is a let down, but as artists with their own artistic identity. They are talking about individual stories rather than stories of the group as a whole, which is why you'll see a stark contrast between those solo albums and the group albums. All of Agust D's past work *was* about personal experiences, the same as RM with his mixtapes "RM" and "Mono", the same for J-Hope with "Hope World". The vocalists didn't release solo work like that while doing group promotions, although they could. And now that they are, we're seeing the contrast between their roles as parts of a group promoting an experience appealing to the majority of their peers, and as individuals sharing their own stories. Of course there are producers and songwriters in kpop, songs don't make themselves, but from the point of view of someone who really tried to get into more groups than I could count. It is different. The way I see it, and other fans do as well, we'd rather hear music the artist created and added to it according to their story, rather than songs catered to fit a group's sound or theme. No shade to any group or idol, many songs are extremely enjoyable, but the majority of us would rather have the first

[@BtsyearJK2025]

​@Batoul Elzein I couldn't agree more it's not a war guys

[@7stardustgolden]

Lmao that's literally my biggest question, on twitter if I praise BTS for a song or an award I will receive 100 comments saying I do't know other better groups who have better vocals and whatsoever like why the fu*k u forcing me to listen other acts, if i want to I will listen to them myself and what's funny is that yes I have listened to 100 and 1000 of K-pop songs, and I did liked some of the fans but nothing made me stan the group, nothing could replace BTS for me.

[@AndI0op-]

Honestly the most popular people get the most hate for just breathing 💀💀💀

[@JackInTheBox0294]

Right. Its about BTS always💀

[@rrosebean]

it’s funny how people say “armys ruined everything “armys are so toxic” but these kpop stans were the ones making petitions, accusing bts of plagiarism, ect, like y’all always love to blame us when fandoms who used to be bigger than us would do su much to bts and army but you never speak on that. it’s so funny how the kpop fandoms work

[@winterbear9682]

for me i am not interested in kpop and I don't think i will ever be ... but lately i started listening to some seventeen songs due to the recent cute interaction between tannies and them and they are really great ..but in the end i found out that I will never find the taste BTS gave and still giving me ; they just hit different to be honest

[@reneedieujuste]

Me too I'm been listening to some other kpop group like seventeen or lesserafim but at the end of the day I'm coming back to Bts

[@cherryjwan_]

I had a phase too , i was avid listener to skz after noeasy era but then gradually i fell off the radar , and im too scared to share it w their fans bc while i do respect skz and other grps i cant bring myself to go back again (not now atleast) 2022 was a difficult year for armys and i think the reason why i started listening to other grps was bc i wanted to distract myself? But then the tannies released great music one by one and then boom im back mfs fully in my bora suit again i fully stan ive/enha/ while casually listening to svtxt or some other grps.

[@Kalakeiko]

Out of curiosity, what genres or types of music do you like?

[@winterbear9682]

i like a lot of types honestly , but r&b / hiphop / jazz are my favourite @@Kalakeiko 🤍

[@christinamitchell6613]

I both agree and disagree. I am coming into kpop late in the game (just these last few years). I became interested because of BTS and have been an army since. I love the difference in their music. I love the messages they bring. They are amazing. They have seen me through some really rough patches. That being said, I also love other groups as well. While other groups may be more in line with the actual "definition" of kpop and BTS is mainstream, it doesn't take away from either one. I enjoy both sounds and experiences. I believe, at least these days, the biggest problem with kpop are the fans themselves, well at least a particular mindset of fans. All fandoms have their good fans that are there for the music and group and just want to chill. Unfortunately all fandoms also have a very loud group of people (and yes i am including army in this as well) that are very vocal in caring more about chart numbers and proving their bias group/artist is the best and that all others are trash. Everyday I see comments flying back and forth between fandoms, trashing each other and the artists. It's tiring. It's embarrassing. I can't begin to imagine how our artists feel knowing they get along with each other but fans can't. The artist do nothing wrong but still catch hate because their fandom's actions reflect on them as the artist. I have never seen this level of fanwars until I started listening to kpop. I have always loved music of all kinds of genres. I have never been made to feel guilty for like multiple artists until I got into kpop. There should not be a wrong way to enjoy music. We should be able to listen to, support, and enjoy whoever we relate to, whether its 1 group or the whole genre. If I want to stick with just BTS then that should be fine but I should also not be afraid to state I stan multiple groups. BTS is my bias but my love for them is not diminished in anyway by liking another group. Again, its not all the fans or even any 1 particular fandom. It's a group of fans within each fandom. Unfortunately they stand out because they are the loudest. I am not saying you have to like every group out there. You like who you like and that's how it should be. I just think that there needs to be more respect for others than what there is. Just my opinion though so I apologize to anyone I may have offended.

[@notyourcupoftae]

I agree with you if anyone wanted to enjoy music they should separate the fandoms and artist because . Artist has nothing to do with whatever fans are doing they can't control them even if they want to . Good and bad sides are everywhere it's on you what you need to see and hear . Because the side you choose is completely changed you point of view when i first joined the Twitter for bts i am on bad side of Twitter i unconsciously started to dislike artist just because i saw tweets about them even though I don't know them much and when i realised that i delete my acc. because i feel like the fandom are so toxic ,it Doesn't matter how much you try to make them understand they gonna do what they want to do specially solo stans they are the worst I don't even know how they even watched their favs because their favs are also the part of group they hate. i mean i don't find any problem to being bias towards one member but hating on other is what pissed me off. But now i decided to join Twitter again but this time i decided to be good side on Twitter and ignore and block every acc.which pissed me off rather than arguing to them . And i feel more good now ..... I am ARMY but i listen whoever i want to listen either it's kpop idols or any other artists i don't stan them as much as bts but i do listen their music.

[@Cypher9k]

Actually if someone is multi it's not a problem for Army ....but sometimes when k-pop fans hate BTS those multi fans never support BTS instead support other grp And when Army clapback those multis come with victim play so basically Army doesn't have good time with multis that's why most of them didnot trust them ..but some are good too Army trust those people😗

[@blossom6693]

@@notyourcupoftae sadly we have supported other group in past although we never was into their music but for the sake of BTS love and admiration for their country they left us behind the bus they even collectively trends jhope 'ugly and it makes into newspaper and hated on taehyung and make him apologies for singing bigbang song , even till recently they are using VPN and mass voting one certain guy instead of their fave group just so that BTS don't win,we can't trust them and about music I was into hip-hop type music and like their old debut song and while listening all their discography which is changing every time I am also growing with them you know it's like a journey of me with their music and watching them grow with their music too and I do listen to others song outside of BTS like my country song, Rihanna etc for nostalgia but trying to manage my time between new solo song , BTS recent songs, unreleased song and also old album is a kind of way too much for me some time as it makes me cry and wonder how come I Start liking stay gold from we are bulletproof pt2 the journey is surreal and non army and just a mere fan can't relate and other kpop group, I am not hating they have their own fan and wish them nothing but good used to have a certain style which was known as a signature style of their company and they used to represent them ( exception do exist) but in case of BTS you can't predict anything like I never in my dreams thought that those 7 guy in we are bulletproof pt2 can be wearing colorful cloth and cheering up us in permission to dance during lockdown, their solo activity are also unpredictable as I never thought jimin would experiment with autotune in set me free pt2 after his so many live performance and next week he gave us like crazy which is totally opposite of set me free pt2, jhope ' Jack in the box ' and RM 's Indigo are completely opposite of our expectations and we are living for the surprise and sadly a real army like me can never really like k-pop ( don't like ≠hate) bcz I have no wish to go back to a certain types of song that is not growing with time( now kpop is changing though) and we army are not selflessly supporting BTS we are greedy to want all from BTS like good song - experiment - moreover maturity and relevance in lyrics and they are fulfilling the need of the biggest fandom which of consist of people coming from all genre lover at any point of time ( maybe some people becoming fan today who knows) and not necessarily a part of the journey that we go through and if they succeed 95% the rest 5% are not gonna leave the chance to hate on them ( Jimin get death' threat for using autotune in set me free pt2), so we protect them as a gratitude for working hard to atleast meet 95% which is big deal.

[@eileencritchley4630]

@@Cypher9k I wouldn't say hate more like distrust them as we don't know if they are reasonable people who enjoy more that one group or the worse kind that are like rabbid dogs that turn and attacked their owners. Sorry couldn't think of another analogy although this one is very apt for some but not for all.

[@Cypher9k]

@@eileencritchley4630 aahhhh that's good wording my bad for using bad word 🥲 Yeah 'distrust' is better

[@hudaiqarazzaq4778]

If I am being honest when u listen to BTS and their amazing music the vocals the lyricism the message the connection u feel with them and u see how genuine artists they are and then if u see kpop in general or listen to other kpop groups there is no comparison at all like the standard of music BTS has set is so high that when I listen to other groups I don't feel anything at all I can't relate to their music at all no disrespect to other kpop groups but yeah they need to create some thing different I don't want to listen to repetitive phrases that make no sense I m a huge fan of good lyricism and for me I think no one in kpop is even near to what BTS has done they are above Kpop and shouldn't be put in the same category with other groups they have a 10 year legacy of great music and no one can match them this is my opinion u all can differ I like a few songs from some other groups that are in my playlist but thats it I am only an Army

[@blossom6693]

Yes they have hard-core rap like ugh, cypher all 4 part and also the same rapline member RM become poetic in indigo, they gave us diverse music, whatever your mood you have a song accordingly you just have to explore their 300+ release song and many unreleased song that they gi ft army now and then in many social media platforms

[@zuu876]

the thing is, bts also did everything on their own, while kpop is using what bts' suceess brought them. for example: every group that is remotely successful signs under a big american label and let their labels pay for playlisting (sometimes radio spins, and sometimes even the award shows), just to create an image of them being popular in the west. part of the reason why kpop isnt being as sabotaged as bts is in the industry including the western industry, is because bts and bighit refuse to use any extra means to gain industry support and they try not to rely on those tactics so they can stay independent. most kpop agencies and groups dont care about that, they'd rather use the opportunity of the window bts opened just to ride on it while they can. and i'm not trying to hate on kpop here, i listen to a lot of groups and like many, but that's what i've been seeing and what many armys point out too

[@eileencritchley4630]

Yes it's the companies not the artists fault.

[@squish9200]

I enjoy songs here and there from different groups but I really don't consider myself a kpop fan... besides the 3 groups (bts, txt, gidle) i pay attention to, im a metal fan and engage in metal stuff more than kpop. most of my army mutuals on twt are also this way but for hiphop, r&b, or other fandoms.

[@strngrdani]

now listen. if you want to like another group, no one and i mean no one should stop u from doing so. BREAK OUT OF THAT SHELL. ur the one stopping urself from doing so. dont blame ppl who only like bts saying u feel pressured, ur the main one putting that pressure on urself. and if they do become the one putting the pressure on u, CUT THEM OFF. Real friends should be able to understand ur interests whether they change or not as long as its not hurting others.

[@krisinakarki]

Yes I love and Stan ONLY BTS and not kpop

[@JackInTheBox0294]

Me too, and im proud of it

[@cherryjwan_]

​@@JackInTheBox0294 so proud of it too

[@kurapikacel]

no one is forcing anybody to stan every kpop group in existence, people just ask you to be respectful to everyone even if you dislike something and being a hater requires a lot of energy and time which is useless and you can still casually listen to artist's music without hating them even if you hate the fanbase(casually listening and not "stanning") since they're all putting a lot of input in every content they put out even if it's just singing or dancing, even learning choreography or to be able to sing and dance, perform on stage with stage presence or charisma is a skill and talent tbh, EVERY ARTIST (people in general) HAS THEIR OWN POTENTIAL imo, being open to everything is better than being a pureblood, tbh if you meet an army in real life they are actually quite nice than to the chronically online losers on twitter

[@solacee4327]

@@MoneyRealHoney bro missed the entire point of this comment

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

i wish kpop fans don't get mad at armys whenever they said they only stan bts... cuz most armys are getting harassed online whenever they say they only stan bts... "omg u have no taste since u only stan bts" LIKE ?!!! STOP FORCING US TO LIKE OTHER GROUPS

[@JackInTheBox0294]

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[@eileencritchley4630]

True you can''t force anyone to like what they don't like.

[@carolinesch.]

The thing is about this how we don't give kpop a fair Chance, like we watch the same award Shows and If I hear a Song I lik I am gonna listen to it and Check Out the group and If I don't then I Just dont

[@annapmark536]

So I came to kpop from j-metal (precisely visual kei if you know what I mean) so many aspects were familiar to me. The biggest issue I had with pop music in general is the lack of artistic freedom in developing your style and largely constructed personas of artists. By that time I'd known BTS for several years (since BS&T I think) and thought they were not my cup of tea, 'too pop-typical'. Then I came upon IDOL that proved this wrong and that's the start of my BTS journey 😊

[@kuroakikitsune]

I went from jpop and visual kei to kpop too. THought it was years ago.

[@parkangle8521]

The idea here is not to love K-Pop or not..In fact, I respect all teams and all of them are talented without exception, but BTS is the difficult number that no one can be like..Bangtan is very natural, their message is purposeful, and the nature of their relationship is very wonderful. There is no artificiality, no racism or hatred. for a certain class..She supported my country, Palestine, in several publications, and this is a humanitarian cause..she contributed to many charitable works and stood against racism....isn't this enough for us to love the band alone

[@veggiearmyy7945]

I just don't have interest in others Kpop groups🤷🏻‍♀️

[@JackInTheBox0294]

Same, girl, same

[@jayiti2262]

Attention spans have definitely gone down. Heck, while I was watching this video I was also playing BTS Island. I need something extra to occupy my mind. And in the past I never classified myself as glued to my phone and social media. I almost never use social media. But I still need more and more stimulation.

[@maya-leigh8340]

I still find it crazy the kpop fans dont realize that kpop grew bigger because BTS grew bigger .

[@not_in_the_mood]

they definitely realize it they just pretend to not acknowledge it since acknowledging it would mean that they would have to give credit to bts and we all know they would rather live in denial than do that.

[@nela.03]

BTS GOT ME INTO KPOP THEY HAVE SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART BUT I LOVE ANOTHER GROUPS LIKE STRAY KIDS THEY ARE MY SECOND HOME EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAV GROUP AND SOME FANS ARE JUST ANOYING

[@marleymarsss]

I don’t understand why they got mad at certain Army for only listening to BTS lol that’s highly highly weird 😂😂😂

[@sevda.c]

That Kobe and Kwame example was so on point.

[@khushbool_15]

Kpop idols absolutely did write and produce their own music before bts though? Self-producing idols have always been a thing in kpop

[@elena_petrova]

Yes, but it wasn't so common, there were a few groups who wrote their songs all by themselves. That's why many kpop stans hated on BTS (claiming they were too poor to have a songwriter etc.) when they found that they write and produce their music.

[@blossom6693]

K-pop and Korean pop is two different things btw

[@eileencritchley4630]

Not a celebrated thing and not many who did write and produce their own stuff. It just wasn't a thing eg something everyone kpop artist did.

[@g100-w6j]

"Always been a thing" lets not lie😭😭 10 people out of hundreds of idols is basically nothing in the grsnd scheme of things

[@xRaptorScreamx]

I don't like "k-pop" because most of it it's the same thing, pop-ish with a rap verse slammed in there, or the other way around, the beats sound very similar, with similar structure. For example, to me, BPs songs sound mostly the same, same genre obviously, but the instrumentation, how it's structured. And that's mostly because the artists dont have input, and the labels just put out "hits", nd it feels like it's worse the bigger the corp or the group. Smaller/indie groups tend to do more diverse stuff to stand out and because they saw BTS having success with it, and that's good. And also how they're force to look, wear, etc for their "concepts", by the labels, when they're grown people. (i apply this even to BTS) I understand that the biggest target is girls, but they're 30yo man, they dont need to look like a disney prince for the show/photoshot, while getting shit by the industry if they show tattoos or drinking/smoking "BTS have creative liberties" ... Suga just stabbed a guy in a neck with chopsticks ...

[@eileencritchley4630]

and smoked, had his head plunged into a water and held under and fired a hand gun to kill. Even the title is cultural Haegeum . Funny really how BTS have more real authentic tradition Korean reference's in their songs such as traditional beats, instruments, dress etc. I than do most Kpop Groups. Can any one tell me why more Kpop groups don't use traditional references, traditional dress, traditional beats and instruments? I now known the two meanings of the word Haegeum eg it's an 2 stringed instrument played with a bow and he's used in the music of the song and that it also means 'lifting a ban on what was forbidden'. I just love how BTS teach us different things via their music.

[@carolinesch.]

Also since when was this a group project where you have to like everything, Like no

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

EXACTLY... in my case.. this happened to me before.. i said that i like bts but this person is forcing me to listen to other groups when its not my type of music.. and they suddenly got mad at me cuz i only listen to bts

[@rencygracey]

have always heard of the "armys are toxic" narrative until I joined twt..other grp fandoms..specific 2 or 3 are as bad if not worse!..Army is just known coz BTS is the biggest grp and everyone knows them..the other grps aren't known as much!! kpop stans over there are bitter over BTS achievements..idk why every lil thing in kpop is about "surpassing BTS" which never happens and leaves the fans frustrated!!

[@danielasanchez5913]

I'm not really into rock, but I love Avenged Sevenfold and Black Veil Brides. It's the same, as a kpop fan, you love so many groups, but it's impossible that you can love them all. BTS is in everyone's sights for being the one that has had the greatest success, which is why it will be the constant target of comparisons and criticism.

[@kimyoung3160]

I am multi fan ..my ult is bts though but i just want to point out that before BTS there were already some idols that wrote and produced although it was very few and not common.. i just don't want any misunderstanding that BTS were the ones that started writing and producing.. 💜

[@babbes4210]

She said that it was uncommon before bts so i think nobody will be confused on the matter.

[@kimyoung3160]

@@babbes4210 you know there are always a select few who have selective hearing lol and make it seem like the video said bts started it

[@kimyoung3160]

@@iamhere1384 maybe you haven't seen them antis making a big deal out of nothing and twisting every little thing and reaching so much their arms hurt.. by the way I'm not your babe..if you dont like my comment feel free to ignore.. have a good day "babes"

[@eileencritchley4630]

Yes we agree it was just not common. To those that did/do more power to them. It would of cause depend on how much freedom of creativity their respective companies gave them.

[@srey_p]

I started watching K-pop during the 2nd gen but only came back to K-pop because of BTS. I don’t hate K-pop but I see a lot of Bora’s views on other groups. You have to admit that K-pop have a certain sound and for me I will listen to other groups if I like the song and I’ll check out other groups if I like the music but I will only continue listening if I like the group’s personality.

[@duqial]

The thing that I personally find problematic with Armies(not all) is their superiority complex that they feel the need to flaunt on literally any kpop related post....

[@strngrdani]

showing that clip of seventeen was misleading. SVT has always been a self-producing idol group. While the others do fit the narrative.

[@blossom6693]

Oh God, the background is of many group in general, she doesn't mention particularly Svt and they come after BTS not to mention btw,

[@camr399]

I only think that BTS succes opened up so many doors for all the kpop industri. Thanks to BTS we found so many more.

[@allysonwolf5721]

I am a huge fan of KPOP which got me into BTS. And that made me an Army. But I will always be a fan of KPOP because I fell in love with KPOP in 2008 because of Shinee, Super Junior, Big Bang and 2pm. All amazing KPOP groups from different companies.

[@mirayoon1992]

I like kpop too but I also like other kinds of korean music(folk, traditional, trot) as a korean person

[@HALPIN76]

The debate about whether BTS is just a K-Pop act……. 💜 BTS has never boxed themselves inside a single genre musically. Through the years, they’ve experimented with just about every one, from pop and hip hop, to R&B and EDM. While they may not prefer one musical style over the other, many still consider them just a K-Pop act. The label has restricted BTS into certain award show categories in the past, which is why some fans prefer not to use it to describe the group. So, is BTS K-Pop? In a May 18 interview with Rolling Stone, RM weighed in on the debate. BTS spoke to the publication just days before their comeback with “Butter” on May 21. Besides opening up about their dating life, military enlistment, and experiences with xenophobia, the group addressed the highly talked-about debate about whether their music is K-Pop or not. As it turns out, the question was a hard one to answer because K-Pop music is evolving every day. “That’s a very important debate. Because what they call K-pop, that genre is expanding very fast,” RM said during the interview. “For example, some so-called K-pop groups have only foreigners, from Europe, India, China, like everywhere. There are no Korean members, but they do the K-pop thing, they’re switching the parts, and so on. BTS is expanding very fast as well. And K-pop is now so wide.” RM added the simple definition people have for K-Pop is it’s a genre “for Koreans who sing a Korean song.” However, the topic gets tough when talking about Korean artists who sing in English. “What about “Dynamite”? We sing the song in English. But we’re all Koreans, so somebody may say it’s a K-pop song. Or they may say it’s just a pop song because it’s in English,” RM said. RM said the answer to whether BTS is K-pop or not is more important to others than it is to them. “The important fact is that we’re all Koreans, and we’re singing a pop song. So that’s the reason why we said that our genre is just BTS. That debate is very important for the music industry, but it doesn’t mean very much for us members.” RM was referencing a February 2020 interview BTS did with Grammy.com, during which the group labeled their genre as BTS due to their music being a mix of everything. At the time, Jungkook, V, and J-Hope said, “That's the genre we want to make and the music that we want. New genre.” Meanwhile, Suga explained it’s because "It's less and less meaningful to divide music into genres now.” There you have it. BTS isn’t letting labels define who they are, so although people may think they’re just a K-pop act, in reality, they’re just BTS. And that encompasses so much more.

[@freespirit4574]

I'm a Rock and Metalhead but when I stumbled across, BTS it was love at first listen. Love their music and their incredibly important and great lyrics and messages. Lyrics matter a lot to me that's why I love BTS.

[@kimshizo9677]

OMG I REMEMBER THE INDEPENDANCE DAY THING THAT HAPPENED i litterally had to comeback to my camera roll to find my "bangtan id" omg that day was very busy with armies celebrating it and sharing their ids i couldn't find my id but i still have the empty id that i made it with (it's in arabic though)

[@kuroakikitsune]

I've been in the world of kpop since 2009, and I agree that kpop fans seem more divided than they used to be. Being a multi stan back then was fine, but now seems taboo, like you're disloyal. (Which is stupid really. You don't say to a Beyonce fan that they cant listen to The Weeknd, or Linkin park or something- it's music, you can listen to whoever or whatever you want) I liked and followed bts since their debut, but toxicity from armies made me embarrassed to call myself an army, and unfortunately I started to listen to bts less. (I know you shouldn't judge a fandom on a few bad eggs, but they were the only ones that have ever had a go at me for being a multi stan. So that didn't certainly help. ) In the last 5 or so years I started listening to bts again, and liking their music. (I am a tad obsessed with Jimin's like crazy) I'm happy for bts' success. I know they have worked hard, and army have worked hard. And now so many people know their name, from all walks of life. All the hatred between fandoms in the kpop community, is just so petty. (Especially considering so many idols from different groups and companies are friends, yet their fandoms are at war with each other) and it would be nice if fandoms got along more, and spent time boosting each other up instead of dragging each other down- or maybe, just enjoying the music/performances etc that all the idols work hard on to share with us.

[@g100-w6j]

Thats because there is history between army and armymultis lol if army had a go at you there IS a reason for that. Normally we dont care if someone is a multi but if u throw bts under the bus or have double standards/expectations that you hold bts to but not your other faves naturally army will have a problem with that because thats hypocrisy. And how sad you let pixels on the screen affect how much you listen to bts ;// could never be me, but at least you're coming around. You should never lets anonymous keyboard warriors affect your love for an artist, tv show, movie or whatever else. BTS are spectacular musicians be it group or solo wise. They deserve all the love and support they get💜

[@nightwarrior6200]

I started following bts years ago, but every army I ever met (irl or online) would refuse to listen to other groups. Due to this, I felt pressured to only stay an army. This year I have branched out to a lot of new groups, as I realized my music taste has changed and no longer adores the music they create as much. The fandom has such a toxic attitude towards multistans and it’s incredibly sad, because there are so many talented groups that deserve love. While I don’t follow bts as much as I used too, I still watch for their releases and respect them for introducing the world to K-pop. I hope fans can start behaving like respectful humans, because while many army try to argue that it’s only a small group, in reality this “minority” of toxic fans are hardly stopped by respectful fans.

[@duqial]

Same

[@whitefox2316]

I think the difference with BTS for me is I'm not just a fan of the music I'm a fan of the members they have shown so much in the content they've made and their filterless down to earth personalities just made me love their music more seeing their real journey and their emotions and reactions to that journey keeps in invested I have so much pride and love for everything they've done it's also the real at time gritty message in their music that keeps me a fan ive tried to find other groups but they don't have much substance in their music and the interviews or other content seems carefully produced and fake not really knowing if I'm getting the truth from the artists also the fact bts writes their own music and that by proxy their music is their art and is gonna be very personal to them is also something that makes them stand out even if I don't like some songs the fact they made it and I love them first and their music second means I can still appreciate their hard work

[@jjuu0325]

Tbh i agree with this the only group i got into other than bts was stray kids probably because of the musical identity thing. For both of these groups I was using spotify and since i dont have premium they like to put random songs in my playlist and I accidentally stumbled upon them. I'm an arab-brit so i grew up listening to different types of music like i would be listening to Michael Jackson and then a nancy ajram that would switch into eminem or one ok rock so I never really got the stanning culture because if you like eminem you're going to like logic because they have similar sounds yet they both still have songs I dont like or I'll skip so when people were like you're not a fan of this group if you don't like all of their songs I was surprised because it's no really their song anyway they didn't write the lyrics they didn't compose they didnt do the topline or the guide so why are you getting mad on their behalf you should get mad on the producers behalf and I understand all the hardwork they put in it but somethings still lacking and I'm not discrediting them. There's a reason why artists like Adele and charlie puth blow up because you can actually feel their musical identity in the song. Anyway the main reason I wrote this was to say kpop aint really a genre just listen to music you like you don't really need to stan an artist and have to know everything about them just listen to their song because if they're actually artists they would care more about what you think of their music than their clothes (even though clothes and style are important DONT WEAR SOCKS AND SANDALS) but also BTS call themselves idols so don't go hating on other people and stay nice,safe and healthy. Big hug 🫂

[@brewed_sweet937]

I just know that I'm stanning the right group 💜

[@moony2414]

I'm an army who is also in some other kpop groups fandoms, like Seventeen and TXT, for example, and that's very true I like the groups because I like the music, that's the primary reason I started liking them. Sure, I like their personalities and other contents, but that's not the reason I started getting into them, just like BTS And of course, there are lots of groups I listen too, my kpop playlist is 40 hours long, but it's mostly a few songs I like from each group/soloist, I probably don't know the members names in half of them

[@seochangbinsarms]

“Before BTS writing your own songs wasn’t a thing” yea ok sure💀💀 please yall if you make videos like this, do better research.

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

u don't understand...other idols do write before but most kpop idols don't... everything is just handed to them... unlike now that songwriting and producing for idols is really getting recognize... please think a little more before mocking them

[@seochangbinsarms]

@@ysabelleortiz4138 dude. I never said that other idols don’t write their own music. But BTS didn’t invent that shit. And honestly I don’t see an issue with having someone write songs for a group. They still work had with choreography and performing and that takes a lot of work. Obviously having original work by an artist is a great thing, but not everyone is talented in that way. So yes, I do understand. Don’t tell me what I do and don’t know.

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

u don't even know if all the info ur sharing online is true... just cuz u don't make videos like this.. doesn't mean u have the right to decide whats right or wrong... okay? that phrase u quoted have a lot of meaning behind it.. u ain't thinking deeper that's why u can't understand a lot of things

[@shahdislam1110]

By “wasn’t a thing” she means it wasn’t a thing that was RECOGNIZED, before BTS, only a small handful or artists actually wrote their own music and that handful didn’t get any recognition for that. It wasn’t after BTS we’re recognized and praised for being involved in the creative process that other kpop groups started actually trying to write their own shit.

[@ajoohcmoohc]

@@shahdislam1110 GD was successful af and he was literally called the "idol producer" back in 2009 lol

[@solacee4327]

Not completely related to the video as a whole, but I lost it when they were talking about a lack of writing credits and about having no message, growth, or personality while showing a clip of (G)I-dle T-T

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

but its true that most kpop idols BEFORE don't write and produce their own song..some do but not all idols... unlike now in which u can see idols getting involved and participating in the process.. that's great

[@solacee4327]

@@ysabelleortiz4138 They were shown along with NCT though so I'm pretty sure that wasn't what they were trying to say. It also just wouldn't be a very good argument either way because there were groups that wrote their own stuff before BTS as well (ex. Shinee, BigBang, Brown Eyed Girls). I also think regardless of BTS the amount of self written stuff would increase over time as audiences care more about actual self expression (I'd say that has happened in american music as well over time)

[@ysabelleortiz4138]

its still happening.... KPOP FANS are always united when it comes to making fun and hating on bts... some multis are always ready to throw bts under the bus like dragging them or shading them to uplift their other fav. group... i always see this on a daily basis and any other platform...

[@JackInTheBox0294]

Yes

[@duqial]

I see the same but the other way around, so neither of the sides is innocent in this. Like I got to a fandom post of literally any other group and sb has to put bts into a conversation that has nothing to do with them. I don't hold it against the group, I like the group myself, but I will hold it against fandom, because it isn't a one off thing. It is a tendency.

[@blossom6693]

@@duqial well but guess what army won't send any group to court just like k-pop stan did to BTS, we won't give black ocean to someone collectively bcz a so called ugly kpop group with no branded clothes win a fucking music show,

[@faerylix]

One of the most unnecessarily intense comment section on this channel💀

[@kpopwrld9561]

Not stays tryna get relevant here🤣🤣🤣

[@cherryjwan_]

​@@kpopwrld9561 exactly

[@4everbaseone]

@@kpopwrld9561 this was genuinely unnecessary as well as most of the comments on this video

[@desertpanda2713]

It is funny to me that this video doesn't really get into facts about other kpop groups. So, I am guessing that this was made by an army. One reason is when she said BTS is the only group to write their own songs, is the reason I know she knows no other group. In fact the first group to write their own songs and produce their own music is Bigbang. Even BTS member said that with out Bigbang there is no BTS. They are the one that made it ok for companies to let their artists write and produce. And 2nd generation fans did listen and like all kpop music. That is why people say 2nd gen are the golden age of kpop. Also for your information YGE has always gave their artists freedom to grow but I know you don't pay attention to other companies. I know this is your opinion but please try and do some research before you put your assumptions on a video. That's just my opinion.

[@crystalsnow1138]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Seo Taiji and Boys also make their own music?

[@desertpanda2713]

@@crystalsnow1138 , yes Seo Taiji did write for the group. But, some people do not consider them as Kpop do to them not being organized by a company system. Some people consider H.O.T as the first Kpop male group. But, to answer you, yes they did write own music, but Bigbang is consider the first traditional idol that wrote and produced their own music.

[@naelovesbangtan0405]

I don't think that was she meant to say. Like, yes, you are right, Bigbang did it too Seo Taiji and even H.O.T. But I see it as a comparison: "Was a thing that most of the kpop idols self produce their own songs?" And the answer is ofc no. It's not that BTS are the first idol group to do so, it's that after seeing the importance that fans were giving to the self produce part of BTS that nowadays idols that make their own music are more common than before. Because in fact, there wasn't a lot of groups to do so, but among all of them, one that reach most of the popularity because of that reason was BTS, and the consequences of that was the remarkable thing that she referred. Hope my "used to be a multi but i am really more focused in bts" opinion helps to understand her point of view.

[@Aryanotthestark]

She meant in the sense that after them, a lot of companies started giving their artists freedom to write. Seo taiji and boys, bb all wrote but they didn't stimulate the companies in a way where they'd consider maybe giving the groups the artistic freedom would be profitable too. That's what she meant. I guess you agree to all the other points then coz she said a lot and you focussed on 1 thing that you misinterpreted.

[@desertpanda2713]

@@Aryanotthestark, It is just that now it is easier for people to see kpop artists. There was such a thing as a self-produceing idols boom back around the 2010s. More companies did started trusting their idoles more. One of the subject she was talking about was how Bighit and now HYPE are the only once to let their artists be free to develop. By self-produceing their music. I was just informing her that she is wrong. Like I said before it just my opinion, but you can check history on self-producing idols and find the answers yourself.

[@BtsyearJK2025]

As only bts army I tried alot to give others chance and I like mamamoo talented and I found some songs that I like but I don't listen to their songs on my own maybe it's not solid interest but I appreciate them And as the video said some individual songs sometimes but I never had the urge to stan any other kpop artist but i pike some groups for their humour but not music 😂 I have western artist that i listen to like ed sheeran , MJ , queen , ariana etc so I don't think I'm close minded at all

[@infiresmanintrustfrated9531]

3:27 i mean whats the problem its our choice weather we want to listen other group or not 🤷‍♀️

[@HeungMinSon_7]

According to the K-Pop World Research Team, the consumption of K-Pop-related videos on KZbin grew 2.5 times from 2019 to 2022. During the same period, BTS' influence fell 2%, from 20% to 18%. It can be said that this was a very correct growth, as the size of K-pop grew, the influence of certain groups decreased, and the fan base of various groups increased evenly. BTS is not a special group in Korea at all. They fell behind the competition as a small business group, and only won the lottery by using KZbin as a promotional strategy alone. The timing was good. The development of a global video medium called KZbin, the music subtitle function, and the change of the times are intertwined. It's just that BTS benefited from the biggest era. Historically, national boy groups such as BTS have existed in Korea at all times. The biggest group in Korea in the 90's was H.O.T. Currently, the number of students in Korea is 5 million, which is about 1/10 of the total population, but in the 1990s, the student population was 15 million, and 70% of the country's population were in their teens, 20s, and 30s, and the whole country was a boy group. It was an era of passion. Therefore, the popularity of H.O.T and BTS cannot be compared. The only difference is that there was no KZbin in the 90s and that it was before the times changed. It is now too easy to create a world-class K-pop boy group that goes beyond BTS. Since K-Pop has become very global and will continue to grow in scale for some time to come, it will be very easy for boy groups beyond BTS to be born as time goes on.

[@blossom6693]

Many group from big3 company at that time has social media and platforms, media access and 1st and 2nd generation idol from Same company who gives them popularity before even their album rel and what's not, why it's they from nowhere to biggest ?? It's easy to recreate a group beyond BTS by using the platforms and acceptance to kpop they have created by facing all this hardship they get as a form of racism and xenophobia But they can't be BTS bcz they find their own way and create a path for other group in global world of music. About data , you must also know that since they announced hiatus the kpop consumption has decreased by by 23% and decreasing but after Jimin album top hot 100 stock price of hybe increase but other ex top 3 company also increase which is not covered in media and the reason is well known just to downplay BTS and their achievements effect in overall country.

[@moonchild7701]

You are delusional. Show me the receipts if the so called " fall" of BTS. Show me the actual evidence

[@nightfall6386]

I have a friend who is into stary kids and even before she got into K-pop she would always say "I hate BTS" and every time I ask her why she does, she always responds with "I don't know, I just do", I became an ARMY in 2015-2016 so hearing that sentence wildly infuriates me if she gives me a proper sentence like "the music they make isn't my taste" then I would understand, BUT she got into stary kids in 2021-2022, and not going to lie I am a STAY myself, she scoffs and says some inappropriate things every time someone in our friend group talks about BTS, to be honest, I don't know how to approach her on this.

[@nightfall6386]

@@keerthi0325 look don't apologize, like I said I'm a STAY too so don't worry, plus she isn't the only one.

[@jjuu0325]

I'm army stay moa nevie bunny exol shawol atiny etc. etc. First,I'm gonna say sorry on her behalf. Second, I think maybe she only sees the fans and not the boys themselves because only there are so many toxic fans on any social platform from any fandom but since army is the biggest one they have they have the biggest amount so maybe that's why she doesn't like them. Maybe bargain with her, tell her I'll watch skz content if you watch BTS content or show her clips of bangchan reacting to BTS and talking about them. That might change her mind. Hope I helped

[@nightfall6386]

@@jjuu0325 thanks I will try😊 Edit; don't apologize, please.

[@gnomebodysbaby]

I feel like the original video is too biased toward BTS? The whole video is "Armys are not kpop fans because BTS has substance and are real artists with a music identity but no one else is" ignoring every other artist that has done anything before or during BTS's career. They do have specific factors that make them stand out and why their popularity grew when others didn't but I feel like none of that was really discussed properly. For example: BTS's marketing and how they always had content for international fans with subtitles, the rags to riches appeal, being able to talk more about their struggles, etc. Those are just off the top of my head! BTS sounds like BTS because they're the ones performing it, but tbh there are a lot of songs by BTS that easily could've been done by another group like they aren't soo different than other groups if we're going solely by music. When you listen to them you can even hear inspiration from other kpop groups or them following trends and that's fine! Also, there's a whole discussion to be had about the inherent competitiveness in the kpop world with how much charting and awards matter to fans and how that clearly comes into play. Why would Armys listen to anything else when those groups and idols are positioned as being in competition with BTS? That alone is a better answer than most of what the video creater said. I wish the person who did this video actually discussed what they were trying to discuss instead of using this to just say "well BTS is better and the haters are jealous." I love BTS too but this isn't it.

[@Susuwrld]

A lot of K-pop stans in the comment section are talking about how other groups also write and produce their own music so what’s the difference between them and bts? Well the difference is how good they are at it, bts’s artistry and lyricism are known to be the best in korea. Rm’s lyrics, flows and puns alone can outdo the whole industry. Any group can produce and write their own music they just have to be good at it. So the difference between these groups and bts is the artistry and musical authenticity which most of these groups do not have.

[@missdolly9534]

So true I often get comments about that ohh blackpink also write songs ..... If blackpink does write the song then why don't talk about it or fumble when they ask about what's the process of the song making

[@YourRyeBread]

I like the music or performances and some of the idols, especially interactions, but overall none of "K-pop" (bangtan legit even recently said they're kpop so like I think this is a Both moment) has ALL of what BTS has in the ways they have it and unfortunately at the time they had a chance to, they didn't know yet and so are too late. I appreciate many parts of kpop culture, but it simply doesn’t hold up to army culture for me. 3:33 lol yeah like it aint my fault? and it isnt theirs? my main audhd experience is having like no control over my interests lmfao 6:02 and its still happening today sigh 14:38 I made a playlist specifically to encourage me to expand my taste and become diverse musically. it has like 600 songs currently and I try not to repeat the same artist unless I *really* love them 17:44 yuuuuup

[@theskyhasmoods]

excuse me but BTS is why i am INTO k-pop like, i didn't know k-pop existed until BTS. then i started listening to how many other groups (i can't even remember omg, too many groups lol) BECAUSE of them. some people might be like that, but its because they dont even fully appreciate BTS for being Korean.

[@LFNZE]

Thanks to BTS i actually started apreciating kpop a lot more, now im a multi. Thank you JK for letting me know IU in the past lmao BTS consider themselves idols and they multiple times have stated that they make KPOP music, and they a lot of times have supported other kpop groups and even promoted them (in the case of hybe artists mostly)

[@liza2561]

IU is not a kpop artist you idiot and neither is bts. ofc theyll support kpop bc that is what they grew up an surrounded themselves with and they have sympathy for kpop but no way in hell is bts a kpop group. they are way too involved in their artistry for that

[@iamhere1384]

"I'm too big to fit into the K-Pop category." -Agust D

[@LFNZE]

@@iamhere1384 ''When you become a trainee, you start building experience as an idol member when you're young. You don't have a lot of personal time but that's what makes K-pop shine because many young people put forth the same hard work together; they create an energy that only people in their 20s can have. They stay up day and night and work hard to complete the dance, video, and music. All these things work together to create a big bang (synergy). When asked if he's sick of the "K" label? RM responded, "Although you can be annoyed by Spotify categorizing all of us as K-pop, it is an exclusive/premium label. It ensures the same high standards of quality that our grandparents fought for." When asked about the biggest misconception/prejudice about K-pop, RM replied, "That it's prefabricated." - RM of BTS

[@iamhere1384]

@@LFNZE now what does any of that have to do with bts and IU not being K-pop.

[@liza2561]

@@LFNZE they don't make kpop music. Isn't this a reason good enough for them to not be kpop? you see the difference in their music right? Since you said you're an army? Cmon let's talk about music cuz they're musical artists but oh too bad you don't have any explanation for that do you bc the "kpop" youre talking about and the explanation you just gave revolves around everything but music lmao no BTS is not kpop

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Thr thing Ash kept saying about Stray Kid's, JYP definetly had the idea of Experimenting from BTS, before SKZ debuted and was up for debut BTS was doing their own Song Writing, Composing, Directing, Producing, even before Seventeen, I feel like the connection of Bang Si Hyuk and SVT CEO clearly had a word about them being Artist's, Artist's make their own and do it from the bottom Edit: I know BigBang did their own also, but they never made it explode like BTS did, more idol's not a lot but some have the Right's

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

I believe what I said above is correct bcos JYPE refused GOT7 doing their own artistry for year's but when BTS exploded they made a new group calling them Experiment's, in other word's, JYP version of BTS

[@Ha-young_is_Just_Too_Fine]

Imo Stray Kid's are like Seventeen and NCT combined, wouldn't say BTS bcos BTS make meaningful music, they all have meaning not just a tiny bit, anyone get what I am saying?

[@cherryjwan_]

Yepp

[@AnanyaAMenon]

I am mostly ok with armies but there is one incident that happened which i hate the Fandom for.

[@YouknowMimisParplaveOr]

I am a BTS fan but I don’t call myself ARMY just so I don’t receive so much hate from other people. And BTS is what got me into K-pop in the first place and I’ve grown to love K-pop and now being a multistan is haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard😫😫😫. But I love it!😊

[@apexknight9356]

BTS is what got me into Kpop in general. I absolutely adored their older stuff. But recently I haven’t been that interested in their newer stuff, especially their English stuff. So I sort of… left the fandom. I still listen to the new songs they put out but I don’t really engage with the fandom. So now I’m a casual fan I guess. I wouldn’t say my music taste changed per say since I can still listen to the older stuff and a few select new songs. But I feel like this person “the person narrating the video” is subtly throwing shade at the kpop industry just to prop BTS on a pedestal. The boys trained under and are still part of a kpop company. They are kpop. I don’t like this mentality that if a group has more creative control over their image or a hand in song writing, they aren’t considered kpop. Stray Kidz and G-idle have more control over their image and songs, are they not kpop either? Why not say that the industry is changing and BTS helped. Big Hit ALLOWED BTS to be more involved in songwriting and concerts after they went through the same training other idols did. If BTS started without Big Hit then yeah you can make the argument that they’re not kpop. I know the narrator made this video as a reply to that kpop journalist and to be honest, I think the article sucked too. But she didn’t have to make this whole thing about how BTS is different from the kpop industry because their not just about pretty faces, dances, and flashy concepts. You can just say you like what you like and move on. It came off as her discrediting the hard work idols put into entertaining their audiences. And the idea that you can’t recognize which group a song is from because other groups don’t have any “artistic identity” is so bizarre to me. You identify songs based on the vocalists in them? Their genre? Their generation? Yes, it’s really nice that BTS got to choose their own “artistic identity” but just because companies get to choose for other groups doesn’t make them less identifiable. It’s also just like… really strange how she assumed all fans of kpop don’t listen to the music of groups based on views? I listen to music through a CD player and music downloaded to my device when I don’t have internet. Not to mention the hundreds of lyric videos that international fans listen to. Just… I don’t know. This video doesn’t come off as very researched. It’s very obvious what she is trying to say here: BTS are real artists cause they makes their own music and shouldn’t be put in the same category as those idols that only know how to sing, dance, and look pretty for the camera. Sorry for the rant. I really don’t like these kinds of videos. This one wasn’t the absolute worst I’ve seen but still pretty poor. Be careful around the kpop commentary scene Seb, not all of them are great, most can even be downright toxic.(not saying this person is one is) Don’t get it twisted, I still love the members of BTS and will always give their new stuff a chance. But I’m also just open to listening to whatever sounds good be they kpop or not. Anything I vibe with.

[@liza2561]

bruh.. english stuff? 3 english songs from them made you leave the fandom? lmaooooooo its easy to see that you were never in for the music..

[@nikicaminori1243]

1. yeah she's proping bts on a pedestal and throwing shade at the kpop industry. well thats good isnt it coz the industry didnt really help them that much before. 2. u misunderstand the stuff about 'creative control arent considered kpop' and the narrator just insist that bts is anomaly(not just image and songs) in kpop so she still acknowledge bts is kpop. 3. the title she made is the reason that she has to make the whole thing how bts is different and she also add u can like what u like and move on. plus it doesnt came off discrediting other idols hard work. 4. less identifiable doesnt mean not identifiable at all. 5. the assumption she made based on views of mv and music is not strange coz she shows the numbers to back up her opinion. and ur assumption of u just listen to cd player/download music to device and hundred lyrics are not strange coz how do u prove that with numbers? 6. at least i agree with u that this video doesnt come off as very researched but the reason i have is different with u. my reason is she lack of details of bts and other group and kpop as whole (process, money, infrastructure, system, politics, etc). in my opinion only i think u get 'upset' over the obvious this vid trying to validate bts over other idols. 7. sorry if offended u not my intention (pardon my english its my 3rd language afterall), i only want to counter some of ur points that uve stated. btw im also a casual fan of kpop. same as u anything i vibe with.

[@axkixa8524]

​@@liza2561 fr

[@apexknight9356]

​@@liza2561 BRUH I said I still try out their new stuff if I can. AND I still listen to the old stuff. But go ahead and hear what you want to hear I guess. Whatever makes you feel more validated as a fan. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Hope you're living your best life.

[@apexknight9356]

​@@nikicaminori1243 Thank you for trying to be more respectful instead of claiming I "Wasn't in it for the music" Your comment actually changed my mind of a few things. And some not. 1. When I mean she is throwing shade at the kpop industry I mean her statements is come of as if she is trying to say that other groups are nothing but pretty faces, singing, and dancing. When she says kpop industry she doesn't specify the destiction between fans, companies, or media outlets. 2. I'm a little confused, maybe you need to clarify this part? 3. I'm sorry but I don't really understand how it doesn't come of as discrediting the other idols. The examples she used to set BTS apart from the others really came off weird. Its like she was calling other groups souless because they have no creative control. 4. She doesn't say less identifiable. She said "If I showed you the most popular kpop songs from this year or from any other year, you wouldn't really be able to tell which group they are from because k-pop groups don't really have any artistic identity" What exactly does she mean by this? I can recognize a song by MCND or Treasure. The same for a song by StayC or LOONA. I can tell who they are because I listen to different groups. The narrator clearly doesn't. 5. I will agree that my stance is an assumption. However, I take issues with the fact she uses view numbers to insinuate that kpop fans don't actually like to listen to the music of other groups? What number is she using when she says "songs only". Is it on Spotify? Also, what does she mean if the members were ugly people would still listen to their music? Implying that if other groups turned ugly people wouldn't listen to their music anymore? How does she know that for sure? 6. Yes it is not well researched. I agree with your reasoning too. And yeah I guess I am a bit upset. But it really stems from the fact that she doesn't want BTS to be categorized as Kpop. Yes I still think she wants BTS to be classified differently when they shouldn't. 7. Thank you for being respectful! :D I did get a little confused at 2 so I'd love some clarification! Also, nice to see another casual kpop fan. Got any recommendations?

[@chianneembry8043]

I stan BTS, but they are not the only ones to write their songs or they weren't the first to write their own songs either. BigBang well mostly G Dragon, wrote their own songs like their title track "Lies" and the 2015 album MADE. I'm an A.R.M.Y, but I'm also a multi stan. So even though I love BTS doesn't mean I can't point out that other idols have written lyrics for their group and other idols. Also Hoshi from Seventeen is a choreographer for Seventeen.

[@youth_9112]

She just said it was UNCOMMON before BTS. She never said they were the first or last group to write their songs. But you have to acknowledge that it became something that we see more of now, since BTS has gotten so popular. I remember kpop fans ridiculing BTS for composing and producing their own songs, and people saying it was because they couldn’t afford real producers or songwriters. People felt comfortable saying that because idols writing their own songs was a rare occurrence.

[@BtsyearJK2025]

Watch the video again 😂

[@nicoletta3008]

here they come the 2nd generation stans 🙄

[@gnomebodysbaby]

@@youth_9112 10:52 "Before BTS, writing and producing your own songs was not a thing in kpop."

[@youth_9112]

@@gnomebodysbaby saying it “wasn’t a thing” doesn’t mean she was saying no one had done before. Something being a “thing” just means it’s something a lot of people do. We know most idols didn’t write their songs, which means songwriting and composing was NOT a thing in kpop, even if a few did.

[@amajinjams6966]

I'm an ARMY. I Like some of the music from other groups as well, I will check out people /groups that I've been interested in. But for the most part they feel so different from BTS, which is by no means wrong, it's just I can't listen to all or even one of their albums all the way through. BTS is the only artists (of all time) that I've been able to do this with. They are just different, different spark, different dynamic and also a different sound. I've also been listening and following them since the early years, so I've seen what the general K-pop community turn their back and sabotage BTS and try to turn down ARMYs. Most ARMYs are actually really respectful albeit a bit protective of BTS. Just look at the ARMY project charity map. Lots of army are multistans or are respectful to other groups. You also can't hate BTS just based on the fandom or the media. Listen to them and watch them, then decide. But most just create a judgement on groundless and ignorent novices.

[@blossom6693]

I mean many kpop group fandom hating on them for their music like they have already completed the phase of so called kpop like song, you can definitely find some kpop song in their large 300+ official and 50+ unofficial diverse discography and leave them alone and let them experiment they are changing the course of music history of kpop just like Beatles did for pop genre.

[@AnimeRocker]

Idk why multis are getting all worked up. Also just because your group writes their own lyrics that doesn't mean the songs are good.

[@JackInTheBox0294]

Right))

[@hannaha9884]

i agree with everything except them showing stray kids continuously because stray kids is the only kpop group aside from bts that i wouldn't classify as kpop, they are self-produced, self-formed, they filmed their own music videos for a long time, and they do a lot of it themselves. also they have a certain distinct musicality that is not really kpop and if you heard it you would immediately know it is them. when they showed the mv versus streams numbers their gods menu was not that different from the numbers of stream and they lead spotify streaming after bts

[@sydneydefreitas5157]

No. Stray Kids are K-pop through and through. Your examples are not the reason why a group wouldn't be called K-pop. It's how a group got their reach, and how that group were brought up. BTS had absolutely no media power, had to promote with their OWN videos and shows, and had to speak to fans using social media, and CREATED an entertainment company empire on their own, using a fanbase that started from scratch. They were absolutely cut off from all K-pop connections. They were cut off from using the resources that make a K-pop group, a k-pop group. In other words, if K-pop is an industry, and you are blocked, bullied and barred from entering that industry, you are then forced to make your way using something other than K-pop. Stray Kids were created from a funded, televised show, they debuted under a Big 3 group and their music videos are very much K-pop coded, regardless if they filmed them or not. However, what I will say about them is that their artistry is admirable and their ability to self-produce is commendable. Their music is different, but that's only because they have artistic identity. However, that makes them a kpop group WITH artistic identity, and not necessarily a group that isn't K-pop. I'll also say that they're probably one of the best k-pop groups out right now. However, They are still K-pop because despite all the things you've listed, they've had media and financial support from the K-pop industry from the very beginning. They've used the kpop industry to grow themselves and their fanbase, and that is where the difference lies between BTS and every other k-pop group. Example: RM and SUGA are not idol rappers, because they weren't brought up as rappers in the K-pop industry. They were brought up outside of it. However, J-HOPE is an idol rapper, because he learned rap through the guise of becoming a rapper in a k-pop group. Hobi used k-pop to become a rapper, while RM and SUGA didn't. This isn't to say that Hobi is a bad rapper tho, he's the best idol rapper, hands down. There's just a line there, because of how they were brought up in rap. It's the same with Stray Kids and BTS.

[@reina2081]

​@@sydneydefreitas5157 Stray Kids might be from JYP but they didn't have the "big 3 privilege" like people think. JYP is known to not care about their boy groups for example GOT7. 3Racha (the subunit in Stray Kids that makes their music) were recording their songs in their closet. Members were being scouted off the street after they already debuted because people didn't even know JYP debuted another boy group. Stray Kids are where they are today because of Stay and Stray Kids themselves. Also the two main rappers in Stray Kids were also not brought up in kpop. They were rappers before

[@p_paul.]

​@@reina2081 also remember skz being called the "flops of JYPE" when they debuted. They didn't get to experience instant success as people expect groups from big 3 to do. Being from jype did help to a certain extent, but they got to this level of success because their self produced discography was so attractive . JYPE only started caring about skz recently when they saw how big their fandom has gotten. Before that JYPE couldn't care less about their boy groups.

[@duqial]

​@@p_paul. I wouldn't say that is a non-big three thing. NCT was also called flops after debut and received a ton of hate. Still Stray kids and NCT did receive attention (aldo negative) from media and public, because they are under the companies from big three. I love both groups, but it is ignorant not to recognise they had it easier than some non-known label. In smaller scale but same goes to BTS imo, as even tho their beginnings were tough as hell, they still had a CEO who used to work with big three. They all worked hard to be in the spot they are today and are amazing artists. ❤

[@blossom6693]

​@@reina2081they get to debut in high budget mv , if they flop despite that doesn't make them any less privileged

[@thv6013]

i am an army and i have heard thousands of kpop songs honestly but i could never bring myself to stan anybody else cuz i could never relate the way i did with bts. armys do give kpop chances. many i mean many armys fo like kpop. many stans of other groups got introduced to kpop through bts. maybe the kpop community needs to stop generalising the vast majority of armys on the basis of few loud twitter shooter accounts and realise that armys might like few songs of your favs but that doesnt mean we will click on every article related to them if this makes sense.

[@namjooningOT7]

I agree, it was only after BTS other groups also started to have roles as writers, producers, etc (or were allowed to by label), since BTS showed it was profitable people now joining the Kpop scene will not thoroughly understand why kpop is considered industry who focuses on materialistic things and not music

[@beraty.6899]

bigbang started it, please do not discredit other artists while praising yours.

[@namjooningOT7]

@@beraty.6899 "Showed it was profitable", and also if realistically we go about it it's not big bang who started it, it was Seo Taiji and Boys and there was Epic High as well

[@beraty.6899]

@@namjooningOT7 so yeah yang hyun suk (yg himself started it) epik high, bigbang all was part of yg. yg started idol songwriters and producers.

[@namjooningOT7]

@@beraty.6899 not denying it, saying bts caused the whole industry to understand the importance and change or try to change things and not within themselves and let's not bring people like YG they all are problematic

[@beraty.6899]

@@namjooningOT7 no they are not. yg made kpop to this day. first underground rapper, first idol producers, first hair dying, first lightstick, first mini album, first badass girlgroup. before 2ne1 all gg's were cutesy and bubbly. you cant just discredit yg by saying before bts writing songs wasnt a thing.

[@varshashaji7858]

Toxic stans hating bts and toxic armys degrading other groups 💀💀they both are toxic. Why blame only one? Let those losers fight in internet. There is life outside internet yk?

[@MewDenise]

I don´t hate it, I just disagree with how the industry is run sometimes.I wouldn't say there are a lot of groups or artists I enjoy besides BTS. A Mamamoo, TXT and Gidle song here and there wont hurt, they got some bangers. Otherwise there is plenty of mediocre kpop sounds out there. Let´s say I only respect Bighit, but even they sometimes make moves I don´t like (nothing major). By each year it seems like law makers are trying to fix some things but eh. The only reason why I know of so many of these groups and kpop shows and such is because of BTS

[@babbes4210]

@Swduc I think mediocre is more about how the majority of singles has no substance and are just products of concepts thought to be popular at the moment. Think of nonsensical english lyrics and flashy videos that have no connection to the content. I know there are exceptions but they are far outnumbered by the bad ones.

[@cherryjwan_]

​@Swduc your obsession with armys only stanning bts is so 🙁💔 thanks for giving ur attention to us and wasting ur useless time in ur life- wait im sure u dont have a real life outside the internet. Your guilt-trippin the op into thinking they are being disrespectful when they arent. What happened to "each to its own music taste" i would never know keep bitching dog 💀

[@ashleyw7423]

That was very good. And true.

[@carolinesch.]

Recently watched video about reading and attention and its Kind of a misconception that it got shorter or at least there isnt really Proof but rather short form content and the pandemic just got everybody use to having access to it all all of the time

[@FreckLedMarY]

i still listen to some k pop music. since i'm into kdramas, i listen to OST a lot and discover other great artist. but i only stanned BigBang, 2NE1 and now BTS (secrectly listening to straykids) 😂😂😂 the others - they don't have meaningful lyrics.

[@missdolly9534]

To be very honest to do understand army for not liking other groups seriously i get too tired when i see tweets like ohh next bts ...

[@orange222000]

방탄소년단이 케이팝 그자체인데

[@reality_2000]

Linking individuals inadequacy and pettiness to the artist makes no sense because they have never promoted negativity......if you are true fans spread the message of the artist.....

[@rrosebean]

honestly kpop fans have been shtting on bts since debut and especially during BBMA 2017 like they always hate us and BTS.. so armys just stay with BTS cause that’s always how it was. now me, im also an army but a multi, however BTS will always come first yk

[@kirilylillepool2729]

Like seriously I became a kpop fan first thanks to BTS and I was only their fan for about 3 months in 2020 but actually the first kpop content I watched was NCT and when I remembered that I started to look into new groups. I now love kpop as a whole and even when I aren’t a fan of some groups I still love their music and try to learn about kpop as a whole. I have to admit that I am no longer a ARMY because I saw how so many of them are toxic towards other kpop groups(not all of them because some armys are actually really nice) and I just didn’t want to be one anymore and I started to get to know so many new talented groups. I still do listen to some of their older songs as some of their newer songs aren’t really my style. But I still like the BTS members and look at their posts when they appear at my timeline. But now I’m so happy that I am a multi-stan because now I know so many wonderful artists of all the generations of kpop.❤❤❤

[@Engeneyeoi]

You just summed up my thoughts

[@ashneetk4901]

Wait , so you stopped stanning bts just because you saw few hundred of fans being toxic in the fandom of more than 60M people and completely ignored all the good and positive stuff bts/ armys have been doing for years ?? Not trying to be mean because it’s your choice , but you basically saying other fandoms are saints ,when they have been bullying bts and armys for years is quite crazy to me lol . But you do you I guess .

[@kirilylillepool2729]

@@ashneetk4901 Sorry I know other fandom aren’t saints because I know other fandoms throw hate at BTS and their fans too and that’s why I don’t read those fanwars at internet. I’m sorry if I sounded wrong and I apologize for it and hope that I didn’t insult everyone. Really sorry and I can take down my post if this insults anyone or I can change it.

[@faerylix]

​@@ashneetk4901 why you mad? its their choice💀 its not like they're elling YOU to stop stanning. Istg🤦🏾‍♀️

[@faerylix]

​​@@kirilylillepool2729 What you said wasn't bad and it was nowhere near offensive. You shared your opinion,experience and now you're happy +you discovered new idols. Why would that be a bad thing? Its okay😭

[@blueCatSu]

Ahh that's about the toxic fans

[@Jneutron_0102]

I wouldn’t say I hate kpop, it’s more like I’m not interested in other groups music because I’ve tried to get into them but their music doesn’t hit, I think I don’t stan other groups because the lyrics these days aren’t deep, it’s more shallow, for example there’s a gg that’s big right now who I tried to get into but their lyrics were mostly about them being better than everyone else/being pretty and rich, k tend to not like these types of lyrics because I hear these types of things everyday in western music. I’d say I’m an army and a casual listener of txt, new jeans and le sserafim. Im more interested in the rap genre so I’m a fan of Doja, Tupac, lil baby, nicki Minaj, and Kanye west. Other artists I like include The Weeknd, bad bunny, sza, Beyoncé, etc.

[@mars.9595]

15:03 totally agree!

[@karinchen8859]

I love Music, BTS and Kpop, what I dislike are toxic armys 💔

[@JackInTheBox0294]

And you like another toxic kpopies fans?

[@karinchen8859]

@@JackInTheBox0294 no I don't, but to say in that video to love BTS for there deep lyrics, makes me really question if there understand the message. I don't think divide people is a nice thing to do.

[@sannipaatso]

I really dislike these types of videos because they are blatantly just discrediting so many people's hard work just to praise BTS. Like tbh the person who made this vid is clearly very out of touch with reality...

[@ellenkagramanova]

Yes exactly, I have so many things to argue about in this video 😑

[@banananana246]

They didn't discredit anyone though?

[@lasandrasweatt6138]

The video is very touchy for many I get but you can't ignore what she said many people didn't get into Kpop till BTS came in to the seen and when they tried other Kpop acts They/me couldn't get into them BTS music hits different its not just surface level music. Many of her videos come with explanation the facts.

[@sannipaatso]

@@lasandrasweatt6138 The thing is, BTS is not the only group that have pulled people into kpop or make their own music etc. BTS music ”hits different” for armys 100% surely ofc, but for others? Maybe not. It’s just very ignorant and toxic to think that BTS is this god-like group that soooo different from everyone else.. when it’s literally just kpop. BTS are super talented individuals! But so are many other groups in the industry :)

[@cg558]

​​@@sannipaatsohhhh, no. I'm friends with so many other long time kpop fans and we all agree, bts is like nothing that came before. Big bang or 17 are the closest but honestly, bts aren't even in the same ballpark as the vast and I mean vast majority of kpop groups. Hardly any of them sing live. Very few write or produce, little-own consistently. One after the other, peers, music industry workers consistently say BTS are the hardest workers they've ever seen and involved in all aspects. The discrediting is what you do when you fail to acknowledge that. There are a lot of talented ppl in the world but saying Jared Leto is in the same level as Beyonce would be disrespectful, no? Both are great musicians, but one is groundbreaking. The other isn't.

[@darhnny906]

Frankly i think it's the labelling that gets to a lot of people, i generally dislike kpop not Korean music , I'm a huge rnb , hip hop, jazz and blues fan ...its the reason BTS is it for me , I can't stand kpop high-pitched bubble gum singing and noise rapping with crappy lyrics . No offense to any kpop stan cause the idols are wonderful people, I love Txt antiromantic, Straykids Xmas evil, exos papercut, blackpinks Shutdown ...but at the end of the day i can't listen to their full albums and feel good about it , maybe it's cause I'm a musician who understands music,voices and the craft 🤷‍♀️ I think that's how it is for most people in the world right now and this doesn't apply to westerners only cause I'm African 🇳🇬 . Sorry for the long explanation

[@mxm7647]

In other words, you have your own tastes which is totally fine.

[@darhnny906]

@@mxm7647 exactly, it's like saying I love adeles music but not Taylor swifts ..its normal , it shouldn't be something to debate and create a whole segregation in the industry

[@eileencritchley4630]

Snap I totally understand fellow musician here.

[@maka858]

I’m not a kpop fan 🤷🏿‍♀️