Why do ENTPs and ISTPs Clash?

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[@lovewho]

For clarity: - ENTPs and ISTPs also make an amazing duo too, this video is just focussing on the ways in which they clash. - 'Grounded' should be 'grounding' - I'm currently sitting on the grammatical naughty step. - Also here's some shameless self promotion: instagram.com/nathanjglass/ ~ Nathan

[@katies6931]

Ehh hemmm luft and i jkjk jokes

[@mlandry491]

Shameless indeed, Mr. Glass. My hat is off to anyone who blushes. I sheepishly admit that mine are made of titanium dioxide😶

[@mariliamontenegro4928]

What about another serie talking about the good parts on the duos? Hearing bought of them seems very interesting!

[@danielpcowen]

I always thought ENTPs were worse with ISTJs, as the latter are basically ISTPs with a whole heap more organisation and judgment...

[@oreootter]

The best couple that I know consists of ENTP and ISTP.. They're together since primary school (nearly ten years). They're amazing

[@Rhygenix]

ENTP comes up with the ideas. ISTP makes them a reality.

[@vhilofaye1618]

Robert perfect combo

[@AV-tm5zf]

sometimes the ISTP has the story and steps and is already doing it before the idea of an Intuitive. We thrive on practicality. We get into trouble for this because it's not what the Intuitive envisions. We step on ppls toes without realizing it sometimes.

[@lovewho]

When they work well together this is exactly the case. Tyrion and Bronn from Game of Thrones are a good example of this duo in my view ~ Nathan

[@liquidantonym6322]

As an ISTP with two very close ENTP friends, that describes my relationship with each of them exactly.👍🏾

[@dab0331]

That's IF an ISTP even agrees with or understands it. THAT is where the clash is

[@ericwedin4154]

Being an ENTP I find myself admire the ISTP most of the time. Their ”not giving a f**k” is so refreshing and to the point.

[@ihsankamil6279]

I love ISTPs, I've gotten along with every ISTPs I've met. They're so chill, logical, great listener, super dependable. - ENTP

[@mefloquine]

Istp’s are no nonsens people. Choose your words carefully, otherwise you will loose their interest.

[@lovewho]

Good advice ~ Nathan

[@mefloquine]

@smile first for yourself love in your heart i can’t tell if you are really greatfull or sarcastic, but either way it is positive, because I am glad you liked it or entertained because it’s funny XD

[@mytimedied8231]

@@mefloquine 😄😯 thanks for saying its funny, iam greatfull for your comment cause that's helping and advise from an istp 😌, also thanks for reply👍 p.s- i actually didn't knew i can be funny 🤔,iam touched with your words 😍❤ i've always been cerious for some reason😅😕

[@mefloquine]

@@mytimedied8231 excellent ! 😁 btw, im not an istp

[@aelardiz]

@@mytimedied8231 A real ISTP here, I find overreaction absolutely hilarious but also cringe... And that's not to be taken personally...

[@TNRPISIQ]

I find ISTPs to be very valuable team players. - ENTP

[@kasperderej7401]

I second that.

[@ZJSS]

😭😅

[@Areios1019]

Ditto. - ENTP

[@cinthiagoch]

Only if you can convince them to be on your team. My husband, an ISTP, hates being on a team, but he is usually that one piece that makes everything work smoothly.

[@TNRPISIQ]

@@cinthiagoch I'm an ENTP, who doesn't want to be on a team with me?

[@kasperderej7401]

I'm an ENTP, I used to work with an ISTP. We clashed just once. Apart from that it was a smooth and respectful relation. Best co-worker I've ever had. We could tell each other some harsh truths but neither would take it personally.

[@lovewho]

The latter point in this comment is a huge bonding point between these two types! ~ Nathan

[@foogentog]

I love people who I can do this with. I’m istp.

[@user-hl1eo1hz7y]

It's not easy to find a thinker that can take criticism. Love it when I do

[@QKvox]

I have no idea if I know any istps but from what ive seen online they seem cool for those reasons

[@arlettasloan6453]

That's kind of how I thought it would be between ENTP and ISTP. Clint Eastwood is supposed to be an ISTP. I imagine if I ever clashed with him it would be like us both squinchng our eyes in a deep glare and announcing the likelihood that destruction is imminent if THAT keeps up; and then going to lunch. We'd agree on lunch. I know how he eats and I am down with it.

[@wemightbetheflash2716]

The word ENTP in title Me: You summoned me?

[@lovewho]

I hope you weren't summoned unnecessarily ~ Nathan

[@InternetLiJo]

“Argue for the sake of exploration” haha ENTP in a nutshell.

[@lovewho]

Indeed! It can be impressive and infuriating in equal measure ~ Nathan

[@eva.1826]

well this video is made for my existential crisis 😑....I was mistyped as entp nd do allot of stuff they do but maybe not in the same manner

[@jamesf4076]

Socrates (ENTP) was the teacher of Diogenes (ISTP), and Diogenes was said to be Socrates gone mad. Socrates showed people how they were wrong by working a person through conversation. Diogenes just showed people how they were wrong, hence the famous “behold, I bring you a man” interaction between Diogenes and Plato. Plato defined a man as a featherless biped. Diogenes plucked a chicken of all of its feathers and brought it to Plato (I think in front of his class) and said something like “behold, I bring you a man”. Honestly a really interesting way to look at their interactions with personality types. My mother is an INFJ, like Plato, while I’m an ISTP, like Diogenes, and their and our interactions line up quite accurately.

[@arlettasloan6453]

It only says so much. By that, I mean I could see the situation being totally reversed if the ISTP was teaching and the ENTP had access to a chicken. Plato, however, was a twonk! I don't know if he was an INFJ twonk, but I'm sure he was a rambling goose of a twonk that almost made sense a few times, but narrowly avoided it with a lot of nonsense. Except, i do like the concept of platonic relationships. As a side note, don't go to Craig's List and advertise that you are looking for a friend under the section for platonic relationships. No one there seems to know what that means and they seem to be embroiled in a constant sex scandal.

[@qiman4679]

I can't even look at half the stuff Plato wrote in the Republic without getting pissed off. Dude just goes against all my morals and values. Back to the subject, as an ENTP, my natural inclination is to prove someone wrong by talking it through with them, but upon failure, I would 100% bring them a plucked chicken or equivalent. One of my goals in life is to become a modern Diogenes though, so perhaps that influences it a bit. @@arlettasloan6453

[@arlettasloan6453]

I probably said it to you before and I will probably say it to you again: Plato was a twonk. No offense to your mother. I should look into Diogenes, I hate Plato so much.Well, not in everything said, but in general thinking. Plato is Plato gone mad. I like the concept of platonic relationships, but that he thought they worked proves madness.

[@Elmegoo]

I’m an ENTP married to an ISTP. We get along very well, but this explains so much. We literally went to pick out stone for our steps yesterday and I got so overwhelmed by possibilities I was like “ugh they’re all grey just pick one.”

[@lovewho]

That sounds about right! ~ Nathan

[@pot7979]

I always imagine this as Toji Fushiguro getting married to Satoru Gojo and then I op-

[@aze101]

oh istps have the same problem lol

[@MissSaltyShark]

Hey! I’m also an ENTP married to an ISTP! 😁

[@matthew3774]

Im ISTP and often like to play devils advocate too though

[@KellyStaudenmier]

I’m an INFJ, but I’m here for anything regarding ISTP’s. My husband is a ISTP and there’s nothing he can’t do. They’re the brilliant, silent types.

[@kenmakage6913]

INFJs can certainly hold that particular belief and strange attraction to ISTPs (and INTPs).

[@andreahenning8076]

@@phoroz1905 One of my good friends is an ENTP and sometimes I have to really think about whether he's actually being mean or just being an ENTP lol

[@lovewho]

ISTPs and INFJs are an interesting combo since they have the same functions in a different order. Both of them greatly value the functions of Ti and Ni so I imagine that they have a natural understanding of each other and in some sense won't clash in those areas. I wonder how often the second slot Fe of the INFJs will help or hinder the ISTP and similarly with Se in ISTPs. It seems that maturity in both parties often leads to synergy regardless of what the theory of the types would suggest ~ Nathan

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

What is your husband (or other istps) like in relation to fiction? Like, books or tv series or whaeve rthat not real, nor meant to be real? My ISTP dad has zero interest in all these kind of things

[@andreahenning8076]

@@PowerRedBullTypology Interest in what kinds of things? I'm an ISTP so I may be able to somewhat answer your question and prove or disprove some of the stereotypes.

[@soccer171717]

Yeah can confirm, Ne drives me nuts. I once had an Ne dom friend who would constantly bring up these insane impossible scenarios like "What if a bird flew in the window and mutated and got super buff and we had to fight it". And i would entertain these to a certain extent but it was literally a constant bombardment and man was it draining... Eventually i would just zone out and have to get away and get some space.

[@Myth4348]

I’m istp and can 100% relate. That scenario alone is stressing me out

[@seventhsheaven]

But what WOULD you do?

[@tzaarski244]

JuniorX EastNY nice

[@DrDeathpwnsu]

Probably try to throw things at it from a distance, behind a door or something it couldn't get through. So I'm working with this ISTP and we're trying to figure out the best way to do this thing, none of it worked, but the deadline was a ways away and I'm like, "Man, I don't know. Let's sleep on it I guess and maybe the answer will come to us." His reaction was as if I had just said the silliest, stupidest, most unhelpful thing he ever heard. (Then later I thought of how to do it, just like I had said, of course.)

[@BradBer]

That's why I keep birdseed laced with acid by my window. Can you imagine what a crazy roided up bird would hallucinate?

[@barbaraszentgyorgyi5007]

I recently met an ISTP, honestly, the most enjoyable company so far 😃. I can say anything, without censoring or wrapping it up nicely, endless interesting conversations and yes, things get done. Also, so much fun because we can laugh at things when feeler types wouldn't, because it doesn't sound nice at all, but we don't mean it. Also, we can tease each other all day long and check a few times a day that we're sill joking. Perfection. (ENTP)

[@lovewho]

That is an excellent point actually, neither type is quick to be offended by anything which is really refreshing for both parties involved ~ Nathan

[@malloryo.4782]

Yeah. I do love how I can say whatever I think to my ISTP dad. Nothing is too harsh or honest for him really. He actually has rather sensitive feelings though and takes anything involving his loved ones' happiness and wellbeing greatly to heart. That is a less-known trait about ISTPs, and an admirable one. ISTPs are naturals at protecting. :)

[@longdream7930]

This is basically me and my ibf

[@aelardiz]

Can confirm that, I'm open to like any kind of banter whatsoever and I don't take things to heart easily anyways so I can always come around stuff...

[@camm5245]

My dad is an ISTP and I love how he loves sarcasm, in fact I was practically raised on it, but it can be difficult when we argue

[@introvertedcafe1152]

This is very true! I am pretty sure I am a ENTP, and my brother is a ISTP, we do get into a lot of clashes, he always has a conclusion about something, while I'm back and forth with everything. We always say my brother has black magic, anything he touches, he masters it, and he will stay focused on it, and work on it. While on the other hand, I would just enjoy the experience of trying something out, and half of the time I get bored of some of the things I work on.

[@loraborealis2551]

One thing my entp husband and I struggle with is that I am very literal. When I say something, I mean exactly what I say. Nothing more, nothing less. No bs, no manipulation... he can’t seem to get that. -ISTP

[@arlettasloan6453]

Are you sure he is really an ENTP? People do get mistyped a lot. ENTPs can often see multiple angles, sure;but they also tend to be very literal, detached, logical and striving for accuracy.

[@kbflash2543]

YES FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT mostly nothing we do is personal thank you Nathan -a happy ENTP

[@ph0522]

But that doesn't make it OK.

[@kbflash2543]

lmao ok

[@ph0522]

😘

[@kbflash2543]

🥰😘

[@ph0522]

@@kbflash2543 you took it too far.

[@mieralunarlunishion]

Funny, I've seen irritation like this between my two best friends. :p One is an istp and the other an enfp. Not too long ago the enfp tried to explain some weird cosmological/metaphysical (not sure yet) theory he had come up with. We went allong with it, at least to understand what he was intending, to come at the conclusion after more than an hour that the enfp was entertaining the thought because 'it would be funny if the world worked like that, but I don't believe it'. This greatly enraged my istp friend. :p

[@nataliewantscookies]

😂

[@dirkslifeadvice5339]

I'm surprised he didn't catch on immediately to the retardation.

[@Laura-Yu]

@@dirkslifeadvice5339 I know an ENFP who’s truly into this “metaphysical/cosmological” crap. I’ll listen for a few minutes to try to comprehend this person but I will at some point (tactfully) explain my point, especially since I studied astrophysics, the “cosmological” jumbo jumbo is just tiresome. This ISTP mentioned here must’ve been hella patient.

[@godhuliroy8585]

I don't wish to be this ISTP you mentioned who let their patience to get exploited like that 😔✌️

[@ShotGunFellatio]

my best friend an ISTP and i’m an entp, she really keeps me from from forgetting my morals and I really respect her

[@chimeradarkoverlordrosanna1846]

My best friend is an ISTP. We do clash frequently, but it’s never anything personal. That’s how we keep things moving forward.

[@lovewho]

That lack of it ever 'being personal' is an awesome quality of relationships between these types ~ Nathan

[@misce_]

My brother is an ENTP, my stepfather is an ISTP. They often have big arguments and my mother and I don't know how to stop it... Your video helped me to understand why they fight each other everytime and how it can be helped. Thank you.

[@DarkFoxV]

ISTP: "Stop thinking and being you and just do et and be like me" Absolutely is never going to win over an ENTP. And will absolutely create resentment, real fast. There's something to be said some ENTPs may need cooperation and support creating and sticking to an organisaiton system, especially on their own or for their own benefit. But the ISTP type I'm imagining that is basically instead attacking the core of their being with a "shape up or ship out" mentality, which is the opposite of support and will really, absolutely act extremely in the opposite effect and probably leave a need for therapy years in the future with far lower productivity than simply doing nothing.

[@TopDoggyRobby]

One of the most important people ive ever met was an istp. They helped me through a very rough patch in my life and was the only one there for me or even understood me at the time and I can say they know me for me far better than anyone i know including my parents. I can be all aspects of my personality around this individual and it will always be embraced

[@hirsch4155]

Good advice! As someone who’s an ENTP with an ISTP dad. It’s a tough relationship.

[@BradBer]

Same here! Mbti info (and #lovewho) so often plays the role of therapy for the intuitive... So much healing in the 🧠

[@richsackett3423]

And some day it will be over, God willing.

[@erik6473]

Same but other way around haha

[@mahima3452]

This describes my uncle and aunt (my mom's siblings) so perfectly. They squabble every single time they meet and my mom (I'm not sure if she's an isfj or istj) is stuck mediating even though she agrees with my istp uncle's side of the argument. My infp self just stands there awkwardly understanding all sides of the argument but not knowing how to solve the conflict 😂

[@lovewho]

That's hilarious just imagining and the INFP sitting there not knowing what to do whilst watching the carnage! ~Nathan

[@rosejeanweller7630]

I'm an ISTP and my two business partners are ENTP and ISFJ. The ENTP and I can be super collaborative and make great work but there have been a couple of times when he's made me so angry I didn't know I had it in me. Ti hero vs parent is such an enormous leap and I often feel like he's being irresponsible with the things he says. I've learned that if I want him to really consider the ramifications of his ideas/actions, I have to ask him more and more fine-tuned questions. Our wonderful ISFJ is the balancer and knows how to bring it all together somehow. It's a beautiful triangle and 99% of the time we like to have fun =)

[@Bs60182]

haha that is my relationship with my younger sister.. I’m entp she is ISTP.. I just let her win any and all arguments.. it kind of hurts my soul but she gets so mad I don’t feel like not talking to her for 2-3 months so she can calm down..

[@yuschelsea4932]

that's literally my family ; me an ISTP my dad i believe is an ENTP/ESTP and my mom ISFJ :)

[@rosejeanweller7630]

😅

[@hastalapasta5440]

I dated an ENTP for a while in hs, it was the funniest shit in my life. He was like "hey, we both havent dated anyone, and I dont want to graduate without having had a gf... so, wanna date?" and I was like "Yea, sure" and just like that we started dating XD Then we graduated and broke up, and he moved away for University. We still talk every now and then. Good times.

[@thereisnospoon1109]

Wow, you really surprised me! Your understanding of Ne PoLR in ISTPs is really on point. In typology communities it rarely happens, because "Ne PoLRs are narrow minded!". No, they aren't narrow minded, they just don't want to produce possibilities if it has no point. Their combination of Ti-Se-Ni makes them consider many alternatives, looking at one thing from different angles to form logically consistent systems, which can be applied to reality (cutting down unnecessary possibilities) and can be helpful in getting to the core of things. Loved this video❤

[@hirsch4155]

Haha keep telling yourself that. Logically consistent systems 🤣

[@thereisnospoon1109]

@@hirsch4155 elaborate.

[@hirsch4155]

@@thereisnospoon1109 Yeah it’s not personal sorry. It’s just that I had a an ISTP dad growing up and there was a lot that happened at home that he couldn’t deal with because it wasn’t “logical”. Especially with others in the family who were extroverted. He had his own logical system that left others feeling trapped.

[@thereisnospoon1109]

@@hirsch4155 :/ sorry to hear that.

[@Laura-Yu]

@@hirsch4155 Don’t project your personal experiences onto others.

[@NiamhCreates]

I'm an ISTP and my mom is an ENTP. We get along now, but we clashed a lot when we were living together.

[@JessBritvec]

Ne doesn’t bother me as much as some other functions, but it’s exhausting. We can run parallel for a while and I can even play with them when it comes to ideas, but when we are trying to solve a problem I just want them to stop coming up with more options already. I don’t want a million different options, it feels like spinning my wheels when I just keep trying things and never finding one that works. A way to compromise and get some Ni in there is you find something that sort of works, but can be refined. The Ni pushes for refinement (or is in charge as its put it in the video), making a subgroup of options that narrows it down a bit, but the Ne dom can still come up with options. Then narrow it down a little bit more. They’ll eventually see it as a challenge and start coming up with more outside of the box things but that’s when you throw a squeaky toy across the room and ask them where it went and finish the job while they are asking themselves “what squeaky toy?!”

[@AV-tm5zf]

yep, that indecisiveness kills me. My thoughts: Let's do something right now and make it happen the best we can.

[@stupidretard492]

Most open minded (ISTP?) ever right here, you sound wonderful to be around and I can’t stand being around ISTP. -ENTP

[@JessBritvec]

Jack Montgomery didn’t know throwing squeaky toys when things get to the refining stage was so wonderful, but I’m glad you think so 😬 (and yes I’m an ISTP). I usually get along pretty good with ENTPs until we get really close like living together or working on a project where there’s just two of us.

[@stupidretard492]

Jess Britvec The squeaky toy thing was too accurate for me to be offended lmao. My dad is an ISTP and we just cannot work together so this comment gave me atleast some hope we can maybe enjoy each others compant while working on a project :-)

[@stupidretard492]

*company

[@arlenehutchinson9259]

Nobody drives an ISTP more crazy than an ENFP 🤯

[@Laura-Yu]

TRUE. My sibling...

[@sumklee7020]

Oh hell no.

[@cnichols2476]

These are my two favorite types (well, maybe also other INFJ’s). If I could mesh my favorite things about them into one person... they’d probably be my best forever friend.

[@Areios1019]

Beautifully said!! You explained the elements of the types and the relationship dynamic very concisely. Well done! 🤟🏼🙏🏼

[@lovewho]

High praise indeed from someone as knowledgable as yourself! ~ Nathan

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

I like having conversation with others for the sake of my own thought experiments, and for mutual entertainment. I've always been either the eternal student or the class clown. ISTPs are great because I can provide an Ne idea to discuss, and they will go into detail about it, explaining their subjective Ni point of view with their ever-prioritizing Ti. They're great casual teachers and we share a dark humor - they usually get a kick out of my more absurdist humor. - ENTP

[@PunkFiddler]

Don't worry ISTPs, our Ne is just a tool. -INTP.

[@shanescott5847]

You think too much INTP lol. It's all about living in the moment, feeling and emotions. Let's argue pointlessly about this for ages even though I agree with you totally. - ENFP ;)

[@Cstank5]

Aha, a perfect match maybe.

[@lovewho]

I am actually curious about the dynamic between INTPs and ISTPs and whether there is a natural complementarity or clash that comes from the use of "different tools" ~Nathan

[@shanescott5847]

Ne is not a tool. It's a Zen like existance. ENFP.

[@zatt4086]

I'm INTP and my mom is an ISTP She's always fighting because I try to use Ne for diferent methods of doing things and she doesn't like it, the typical "do it the way i want". When we're eating I always win the debates and my ESFJ dad needs to intervine so she doesn't get mad 😂 Also i'm way too slow and distracted when doing things, i swear this drives her crazy

[@tensaidragon12]

My ISTP analysis basically is telling the summary of the vid as: Nathan: ISTP just adjust to the ENTP and appreciate their natural habitat of playing with anything they come across. (Argue, devil's advocate, intellectual exploration, even in the most probable tendency of ENTPs being blind with grounded reality and being let off the hook by society because of hey, social contract, nothing personal) And for you ENTP don't worry it's just ISTP that needs adjustment, you're good. Anyways, you two are good for each other as a team. Just adjust ISTP. Or in 6 words, "Don't worry ENTP, its ISTP." Edit: After a few minutes of Adjusting my Mindset(Essentially becoming an Artificial EN-TP, I finally understood their E (EXPLORATION) and N (NATURAL) meaning NATURAL EXPLORATION against my I (INVESTIGATION) and S (SCIENTIFIC) TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE in life. Yup that was TP. I made my own typology to fully understand MBTI. Here it is: E- EXPLORATION (Directed/influenced through outward forces) I- INVESTIGATION (Directed/indfluenced through inward forces) N- NATURAL (Led by NATURAL functions subconscious or even unconscious neural connections governed by brain) S- SCIENTIFIC (Led by SCIENTIFIC functions i.e observations through 5 senses and can be evidence of reality and is thoroughly conscious) T- TECHNICAL (Governed by TECHNICALITIES, like rules, conduct, principles, and systems that create direction) F- FACTUAL (Governed by FACTS, that everyone can openly agree towards like behavior, culture, social roles, and morality and values) P- PERSPECTIVES (Seeing/Experiencing the world through the spectrum of PERSPECTIVES that it can offer, like different mindsets and different point of views of varied personalities) J- JUSTICES (Seeing/Experiencing the world through the arrangement of JUSTICES that it can make, like structures of welfare preexistingly functional and the systems of learning available) Feel free to contribute in either expounding or criticizing the work. And thank you Nathan for the insight as always.

[@redpanda146]

Oh lord I’m in group project with an ISTP. She did all the work more than 7 of us in the group. She’s very good at illustrating my prototype.

[@JohnDoe-pd4jo]

Lmao so me. She will always remember the pain you guys put her through, mark my words 😂. She was probably like I got no choice but to do this, I refuse to let them slow Lmao so me. She will always remember the pain you guys out her through, mark my words 😂. She was probably like I got no choice but to do this, I refuse to let them slow me down lol.

[@dianahidalgo8446]

Great video, thanks a lot. It's ironic, I've seen this happen all too well. My elder brother and sister are ENTP and ISTP respectively, and even though they do love and help each other, They never truly got along when growing up. Even now they struggle trying to find a conversation topic (or anything in common) when they're together😅💩

[@autumnk1040]

I’m an ISTP and my sister is an ENTP. We always had cat fights and I found her extremely argumentative.

[@tahsina.c]

Bratty entp sister here! yup- can relate, my sister often finds my verbal gymnastics pretty exhausting, sometimes downright confusing , but she admits we end up having some of the coolest discussions that we both end up learning something from, so i guess i cant be that bad after all :D

[@autumnk1040]

tahsina .c well that’s good haha, I guess I felt cornered by her constant need to “prove she’s right”, and I just wasn’t into it. She always thought she knew what was best for me and tried to convince me that her way was “best for me”, but only I can decide that for myself

[@Laura-Yu]

@@autumnk1040 Holy shit, yup, that’s what they do in my experience!

[@autumnk1040]

@@Laura-Yu ah the nature of the ENTP, lol. It’s either this or that isn’t it

[@czechmix221]

ENTPs are fun to argue with, they never take anything personally-istp

[@yeetingng3892]

i like this kind of video! pls do more clash duos in the future!!

[@lovewho]

Will do! ~ Nathan

[@soniac2156]

you are approaching MASTERY... well done sir, I'm ENTP and my dad is ISTP and this is accurate

[@lovewho]

Thank you very much! ~ Nathan

[@mariliamontenegro4928]

Loved the format to describe the relationship between two types. Do ENTP and INFP pleaase!

[@tahsina.c]

No need this bout sums it up. Entp: *casually expresses opinion" Infp: : 0 >:'(

[@lovewho]

Oh that is an interesting duo indeed! ~ Nathan

[@priscillahigdon6048]

My sister and I are this combination, she's really cool with being the sounding board for my (ENTP) brain vomit and I've learned to wait until she's listening to me even if we're the only two in the car. lol

[@StormKillzone]

Are you following the Hikaru Nakamura (ENTP) and Magnus Carlsen (ISTP) Chess clash?

[@cooldigirl26]

Ohhhh yes yes istp here to magnus all the way ❤️❤️❤️

[@lovewho]

I have followed both players for a long time and never put that together in my mind! ~ Nathan

[@loraborealis2551]

Me ISTP My husband ENTP Thanks for the advice. He’s driving me crazy 😝

[@suzannesuzysoares2810]

Thank you for another great video Nathan/Luann! It is nice to have someone remember to buy milk before the carton is empty... I won't lie ahah. (Ne yay....!) In a relationship, it's best to capitalize on each individual's strength... Naturally, one partner will end up "leading" : but I see it more as gentle stirring of a boat on pleasant waters.... and well.. when it's a stormy sea it's an all hands on deck kind of situation anyway! I believe we all have "default" roles. But that doesn't mean that individuals cannot raise to the occasion. Roles =/= power that's for sure.

[@lovewho]

Opening the fridge to find an empty carton of milk is up there with the worst feelings in life ~ Nathan

[@mussabsaleem7625]

Well m late but Entp characters have always managed to excite me. Most recent example is Owen from haunting of bly manor, i absolutely loved his timely jokes. Other than that Hector from *Coco*, Edward Elric from fma brotherhood they always managed to intrigue my thinking/i liked having them around.

[@alberain]

if you like entp and anime try Stein`s; Gate.

[@anita6631]

Oh thank god.🤗 Finally someone made a video related to ENTPs

[@LillianGish4711]

I fucking LOVE entps! Istp-

[@FrownyMascot]

This is brilliant, cause anyone new to this stuff would just assume that just because they're both thinking types they'd get along really well hahaha

[@lovewho]

That's true, despite the fact that these two types can be great together there are indeed some points for big clashes ~ Nathan

[@FrownyMascot]

@@lovewho keep up the great content, love who? Love you, hahaha do more videos like this! Pairings can be strange yet intriguing and you have such a way with words🙏

[@kasperderej7401]

ISTPs are one of my favourites.

[@kasperderej7401]

If you're an ISTP then sure. Write it on your forehead and never wash it off for me. Thanks

[@lovewho]

I agree, they're an excellent type ~ Nathan

[@tonamg53]

@@kasperderej7401 How are you going to owned that autograph then if it’s on someone else forehead? The only way I see it is you have to owned that forehead too...

[@godhuliroy8585]

@@kasperderej7401 how about I, an ISTP write it on yours and you can boast your triumph all day?

[@661.julian4]

why though? we’re so quiet and boring

[@jackhellson7627]

[TL;DR: This uneven relationship dynamic is uneasy for the ISTP, thus building tension. Meanwhile, the ENTP will only realise it when it's too late, AKA when the ISTP feels "attacked" on it's lack of (Ne) one too many times and explodes. ISTP will consider the ENTP an asshole, while the ENTP wont get it, and find the ISTP childish, stubborn and misguided.] ------------------------- Correct me if I'm wrong - you never fully addressed the natural (almost unconscious) "Power dynamic" created from the "fear" and "uneasiness" that comes with having our PoLR (potentially) exposed in this specific "inter-typer relationship" (AKA the *Supervision relationship from Socionics) *Any of the 16 types is (unknowingly) the "Supervisor" of a different type and (feels) "Supervised" by another one. As an example that expands on the personality types of this video: (From Supervisor> to Supervised) ENTP>ISTP>ESFP>INFP>ENTP>... When someone enters a room and you feel warry AF - like the only "safe course of action" is avoidance or minimal contact.. that's probably your "Supervisor" Your Supervisor doesn't know (or would understand) why you feel this way. And if you bring this up in conversation; it usually just deepens your "awkward position". Conversely when it's YOU who's the Supervisor; you mostly just go through your life without realising anything - Until you try one too many times to interact with your Supervisee using your Auxiliary function (which is this person's painful PoLR) Your Supervisee will most likely come off as childish, stubborn or misguided from your POV. This relationship can work - but it's very mentaly draining.

[@lovewho]

This comment is EPIC! ~ Nathan

[@Birb_Is_The_Word]

Thnx for the effort.

[@chuhwey3632]

In my experience the super ego is a threat to the supervisor which makes supervisee worried if they can get along. The superego is how the types 'get in' and if responded to incorrectly clash happens.

[@Plasmodiophorina42]

As an INFP hanging outwith my ISTP mother, I have the same Ni-Ne conflict with her as above, and also an Fi-Fe conflict. Fortunately I have a lot of Ni and Ti too (can't yet explain that), so we can have a blast brainstorming, but then she all of a sudden needs to find the answer and it has to be conventional. Meanwhile, I have again escaped into my head.

[@aesthetic_9239]

My friend is an ENTP he is so cool and sometimes crazy.Iam an ISTP he likes me😁😌 ENTP's are courageous and brave.They do lot of adventures,Drinks🍻, chilling, Popular guy. Sometimes we ignore eachother.He is shy around people he likes and became extreme with his friends🤪 It's really hard to understand ENTP because they are unpredictable and questions alot.

[@stefaniesal2172]

My dad is an istp, I’m an entp, we’re always debating and arguing, it’s very stimulating, bc he’s as interested in the truth as I am, even tho I usually win, it’s fun

[@elisabethschlarb3059]

I'm an ISTP and I think the issues here are yes, ENTP exploding with theoretical Ne which we don't resonate with, AND ENTP not VALUING the ISTP because of ENTP's Fi polar/trickster - that causes the ISTP to hate the ENTP because their inferior function Fe isn't being fulfilled and it causes our demon side to come out. We are thinkers who don't mind some intellectual play at all, but it needs to come from someone who has the capacity to value us.

[@ilovesamyo]

💯💯💯💯

[@Plynn33]

It feels quite weird to hear Ne is the weakest of istps . I feel myself high in Ne naturally (open up to all possibilities, find connections between things easily etc), while behaving mostly like a typical istp (action, result-oriented, no hard demand for spiritual communication etc.).

[@summit5873]

As an ISTP, I don't do anything that has no point/i have nothing to gain doing so. That's why when my ENTP friend argue with me a lot "just because", i didn't hesitate to drop her lol

[@Laura-Yu]

No time for that drama💁‍♀️

[@ilovesamyo]

Prolonged exposure to ENTPS makes my hair fall out

[@suko7652]

When I was 14, my ISTP father and ENTP me got into a fight about me "acting irresponsibly". He drove me to the nearest train station and I didn't hear from him for eight years. It ruined my childhood. Even though we later met occasionaly he never adressed the issue. I'm still angry 23 years later.

[@tillywontspeak]

Me and my ISTP father also didn't talk for a few years, I had to get away to protect myself.. He had issues like this with other family members too... (ISTJ.)

[@suko7652]

@@tillywontspeak Yes, same, my ISTP father showed up to his sister's wedding barefeet in a tank top. I thought it was funny, but my aunt was really mad.

[@Dovahnuke]

That's why as an ISTP I've decided not to have children. We're completely unable to raise them...I can't take care of myself, I don't eat or sleep...imagine taking care of someone else.

[@tillywontspeak]

@@Dovahnuke Are you sure you're an ISTP? You sound more like an INTP :)

[@Dovahnuke]

Tilly Won't Speak 100% sure :P The no eating or sleeping is more related to my work but it carried over to my hobbies fast. I worked in film and sometimes we had shoots for over 72 hours in one go. You can tell I'm ISTP and not INTP because I can actually carry a camera without dropping it...

[@the_bob_147]

I don't know any istp but I would appreciate an infp and entp video

[@lovewho]

That is an interesting duo indeed, I will definitely do a video on these two types at some point ~ Nathan

[@juststeveidk9360]

"Entp's wake up the next day with a clean slate, totally forgetting what came the day before" -> lmao

[@thepanthar]

The same reason ESTJs and INTJs clash.

[@ellie-dw1ju]

as an entp, I love istp so much

[@lindsaycamerik2017]

i still don't know my type (infp?? isfp?? lol idk) but i had an entp housemate and we clashed haaard. i am a generally peaceful & harmonious person and have a lot of patience w people, but he really got under my skin. felt like he ways always arguing just to argue, though it's possible that what i saw as an "argument" was just a regular conversation to him. i would get frustrated bc the "arguments" never seemed to be going anywhere, and i seek consensus and resolution. also, i don't think i ever saw him clean anything... and i'm the person who puts a lot of energy into keeping things clean... but that's another story. ended up parting ways. of course he's not representative of all entp's, but that was my experience !

[@webkelpie]

Disregard is what the ENTP gets from the ISTP manager. At which point things just don't improve. For anybody. Followed by, things starting to slip down the slippery slope of distrust and worse. There are many ways it could end but 'well' probably isn't one of them.

[@riqrimoli]

entp here and i was looking for someone talking about this

[@FindingYourSerenity]

I mostly use these videos to help analyse the people I work with. I'm always secretly doing it and they have no idea.

[@alexlu2737]

hmm. I was tested to be ENTP 2 times, a year and a half apart. But when I listen to you explain the ISTP-ENTP relationship, I feel like the ISTP describes me much better. It drives me crazy when I get into a conversation where the other person is not interested in drawing conclusions. And I'm pretty much always the person who brings up action items and moves things forward at the end of meetings. I do have some other classic ENTP traits though.

[@neilshepherd1904]

Is that why I finish all of the milk, and the long-life milk, and the powdered milk, before buying more milk?

[@lovewho]

Haha! I resonate deeply with this ~ Nathan

[@arlettasloan6453]

And, I'm back! Which is to say, I sometimes suddenly wobble toward ENTP and then you remind me, again, that thiose are the people who have the know how that they COULD get things done, but, they just won't do it. Which is really irksome as it wastes time and gets my hopes up frivolously !

[@shanescott5847]

Yay I wanna meet one of them. Wait what were we talking about? - ENFP

[@lovewho]

This is a very ENFP comment, well played ~ Nathan

[@cameron8619]

my enfp ex would forget everything she was saying in the middle of every conversation

[@lemonade_011]

That’s like me LITERALLY but I’m Istp

[@1classikai]

The fact that I used to think I was an ENTP ._. I wonder if my mom is though. She often argues for things she doesn't even really believe in herself, just because she enjoys the "mental sparring", and we've butted heads on numerous occasions throughout my entire life

[@lovewho]

Hi, I think I recognise you from the comments. If you haven't already done so, feel free to join the discord server, I think you'll enjoy connecting with other people on there myself included! ~ Nathan

[@CuddleClaw.]

ISTP here. I have run into difficulty with my ENTP friend a few times. He called me a “conversational narcissist” because I didn’t agree with him. After him attacking me a few times, I felt annoyed and I stupid-zoned him for a few months. We’re friends again, but I don’t want to talk to him on any consistent basis. Is it possible for dominant Ti to be underdeveloped? I know I’ve always used it; but I also used to be very unhealthy, spent a lot of time in my lower functions. An ESTJ from college commented to me “you’re different, you think more now.” I think I’m just no longer afraid to express my thoughts, and I have confidence, and the ideas I’ve thought about growing up now have strong opinions attached to them. I used to spend loads of time listening, and now I have to remind myself to STFU and listen. Thank you for the video Nathan 😺

[@longdream7930]

You're giving me INFJ vibes

[@ClubENTP]

As An ENTP We Can Be Organized If There’s A Purpose. Time Is The Most Precious Thing For Me And I Wouldn’t Waste It Being Organized Just For The Sake Of Being Organized. We’re Not Sensory So We Can Ignore A Mess Because We Have Other Things Going On In Our Minds At All Times. Does That Make Sense?

[@th30dor49]

My best friend is an ISTP and honestly ISTPs are my favourite sensors

[@Pengalen]

Please go into what is a Polar function, and also what happens with the other three functions that are not normally listed. Also, why are you using Socionics?

[@MrMellow2289]

I’d be interested to see what the demographics are of your videos in terms of the types.

[@seventhsheaven]

Huh. I don’t really know any ISTPs. I’ll have to find one and unleash my Ne on them, just to see what happens.

[@ph0522]

@@tahababikir1577 this is beautiful 👌.

[@seventhsheaven]

Taha Babikir but I’m on a diet, so...

[@tzaarski244]

Taha Babikir bruh he aint gon eat shit yall trippin

[@Dovahnuke]

Laza Amafirin HA we don't have any weaknesses!

[@Dovahnuke]

Laza Amafirin I have to admit...we are very childish... but hey that's a strength if I've ever seen one!

[@oldshittydog]

would be v interested to hear your take on intp and istp dynamics

[@PsiCorps85]

I notice my ISFP friend Shana gets annoyed fairly often with her ENFP friend who constantly asks for anything they notice or anything they can think of; so I wonder if it would be a more general thing with types having a given PoLR function getting annoyed at those having the same as their Hero function. Like an INTJ trying to share any insight with an ESTJ, such as in Alien Hunter or anyone of lower rank making a suggestion for improvement to a stereotypical drill sergeant.

[@jimbeam4736]

Could you make a video about relationship problems between the types? I am an INTP and it turned out that my girlfriend (5 weeks together) is an ESFJ. Do I have to say more? Please help - I´m living in hell. After two weeks I thought she had a histrionic personality disorder but now I know that she is just an ESFJ (sometimes tends to be ESFP). What tricked me at the beginning was her seemingly rational side. She is a physician - my physician. And when I talk medicine with her it´s a dream come true. She is quick, knowledgeable and witty. But everything that has to do with feelings and our relationship is so crazy that I cannot even describe it. It´s textbook pathological. We now have rules for everything like how many minutes I "have" to cuddle her, how often I have to spend the night at her place (7 days per week), what happens when I don´t phone her in case of temporal separation etc. She needs constant reassurance that I love her and wants to control every minute and emotion of my life/me. It´s a constant power struggle, manipulation, drama, outbursts etc. Btw, she calls my cruel, dominant, egotistical, unable to love and so on. But she doesn´t want to leave me. She weaponizes emotions.

[@harishkumargujudhur8200]

If you really are an INTP call her out on her one-sided covert contracts of your Ti. Look into her Fe, and tell her that the 'contract' is not all there is to a relationship with an INTP. 7 out of 7 days is dumb enough. At this stage, she might be ingratiating her Ti Inferior more than even looking into your Fe, and complimenting you on it, but exploiting your warmth more. You might get her at this vulnerability, call out her codependency, and if things don't really change, trying getting help from an INFJ or ENFJ to tell her off. Or else, an ENTP or INFP. Something should work out, at the very least.

[@harishkumargujudhur8200]

And if she still persists after you've explained how it all works, then she's clearly being sociopathic with her Si, and I would personally refrain from valuing her resulting Ti in that respect.

[@MrKillswitch88]

Find someone else as things are likely to death spiral and being the feeler type myself emotions are critical where going without has very negative results.

[@savinggift158]

You need to leave because she is firmly convinced she is right always because she is so caring. Then she will turn your friends and family against you and she will be believed . But you are stuck there too weak eating the lotus and you are being swallowed whole. Get out leave physically while you can. Her fe means she has no sense of self reflection you can try Ti to reason with her but if her past history is bad including upbringing she will replicate that as it is ‘traditional’

[@harishkumargujudhur8200]

PS: Her type is more suited to ISTP. Yours is related to the Ethos queen, ENFJ, who is somehow more sensible when it comes to feelings and taking charge. I forgot to analyse the two middle functions. You guys - ESFJ and INTP - ain't compatible by far, even if an ENFJ might sound intimidating to you. Your Si-child only makes you more suited to an Se-child. Unless you prefer less of a balance, with the ENTJ. Either way, we ENTJs, and them ENFJs are usually empirical in deriving our rationale or feelings, but not really remembering the whole process to our conclusions, but you need an ENFJ to be a parent to someone who feels, and it's more of a social butterfly in a sense, than some ESFJ telling you to be self-aware, and to express your emotions. Your Si does not really make you that inclined to those who want you to change the way you express your humor and the like, to suit feelings. That's dangerous. That's the basic, insofar as I know it. If you wanna explore some ENFJ, I unfortunately have only one thing to recommend - the Japanese artist, ASCA. Expect some drama, but not really a towering presence expecting you to have feelings and express them for feelings, and not really considering your feelings in your hobbies, like games, perhaps, that much. Either way, her Si-Parent works on INTP and ISTP. Based on Fe as Dominant, instead of Ne, she's not really into feeling folks are kind intuitively, but knowing that someone exhibiting emotions is something that 'should' be common. (pardon the earlier mistake with taking it as Se-parent. Got onto her Fe more.) She's suited for the ISTP, who is the tower of common sense. Of course, they'll balance out common sense and self-awareness, if it works for them. You can try balancing out your calculations and systems with self-awareness lite.

[@milkdurian9944]

I feel like i have both in me, ISTP 78% and ENTP 22%. My true self is largely made of istp, but over the years i managed to extract my entp side, although it was very much energy and time-consuming and ut didnt come naturally, only acquired when i step far away from my confort zone. But now that i've cultivated that entp side, i can identify with some of its traits and thinking tendencies in my everyday life. Underlying state of mind is still istp though

[@Dios_of_Autumn-1999]

Finally someone who has my characteristics. Channeling that inner entp is a pain and it consumes so much time. Also the fact that i have to use it in my everyday life just so i could adapt in the system is just draining me with pressure. I literally have to plan 2 days before an assignment everytime. But it is worth it, because i learn so much from my Ne and i can compete with the top intuitives, Entp, Intj and Intp. Although I've been using and have adapted my brain to this lifestyle for so long, I still can't be stronger where they are already strong at. I can be as skeptical and knowleagable as an intp but never think and learn like them, and have their reliable and formidable logical structure mechanism and rationality. I can be as observant and schemy as an intj, but i can never be as self trusting, quick and see as much as they do. I feel like my brain has different consciences, sculpted by my self manipulation and will which I cant control from growing stronger and larger yet more vulnerable and careless. It's saddening to think that even at the limit of my brain, I am still limited by it and i cant even create a tie between me and my foes no matter how much i want to win and how much i want to not fail at even the very minuscule of problems.

[@yuschelsea4932]

ISTP with ENTP bestfriend, surprisingly we rarely clash, it's usually us giving opinions and adding onto each other's pov like making a puzzle til it's complete, and in the end we end up aggreeing with each other

[@glenshort6567]

ISTP here and my best friend is ENTP. We have so much fun together but I get exhausted after too much banter. Also we only hang out every 2 years.

[@amycb5548]

@3.30 that is where I totally frustrate my ENTP. We are like, who is going to give in first. In saying that it is usually him 😅

[@Virtuoso2000]

ISTP’s and ENTP’s get along well using introverted thinking and they both enjoy structure and building and their opposite types are very simalar in their names and other factors that can be well considered to new MBTI and old MBTI enthusiasts

[@malloryo.4782]

I am ENTP and my dad is an ISTP, and we never debate together. We do talk, but we don't really discuss. Even if we argue, it's short and direct. He doesn't enjoy talking. Most of our communication probably consists of a few repeated phrases, funny noises, laughter, and telepathic glances. My dad can't see the point of debates or lengthy discussions, and too much talking annoys him, so I usually try to debate and discuss with others when he isn't around. We don't always understand one another (where do hardworking ISTPs get all that drive and energy?), but we get along just fine. :)

[@theabstractionist9655]

Socionics, at least Russian variant, bring another mining for the blind function. Socionics speak a lot about intertype dualism, concept of full matching pairs where the strongest functions of one type have a the best connection and effect on the blind function of the other. In socionics there are 8 functions for every type for ex. the ENFJ would have extr. feeling intr. intuition extr. logic intr. sensing intr. logic extr. sensing intr. feeling extr. intuition. And so 4th function is called the pain spot which brings conflict between conflicting type (for ENFJ ex. the conflicter would be an ISTP cause there primary funct is intr. sensing in Rus. Socionics) and so on you can probably translate some rus. sites of socionics for some kind of understanding. Speeking of the video, ENTP is called a half-dual for ISTP as they both compliment each other's blind spots withought hurting pain spots. There is much more behind half duals and duals relationships then those two function relating but I just got to say that there is huge difference in ways people around the world understand Jung's theory of personality types and I'm quite confused by this fact. I still try to dig into both sides of view but I'm spotting myself on that I can't believe in any of them. With love from Russia. INTJ.

[@tahsina.c]

Hmm, I didn't know there was a Russian variant. With regards to the blind spot comment, I find I get along very well with them for this reason, they're no nonsense, not always the brightest or most talkative, but theyre very sharp, skillful and disciplined people who still know how to have a good time, so there are just the right amount of opposites like puzzle piece, but like a puzzle they can still be cohesive when put together . -entp

[@meridiansplendour]

:o I really do wake up every day with a completely clean slate. It's like someone resets my brain when I sleep. I've been saying this my entire life and nobody gets it. Ok, I'm definitely an ENTP. Or would you say that this happens to some other types as well?

[@sientwa6102]

I am an INFP (outside) but at home(with my trusted family) I act rarely like an ENTP (am I crazy? Is that possible or am I just broken haha??)

[@jiyama]

didnt have any good experience with an ENTP i really had troubles dealing with one lol

[@BlairWaldorf2013]

As an INTJ, who very recently had to do our patented Door 🚪 Slam on an ENTP...I can say what broke the camel’s 🐪 back for me was this person wasn’t really ready to deal with a personality type that doesn’t *require or need* their perspective on my thoughts. Especially just for the sake of being contrarian 😒 ENTPs want people to ‘indulge’ them while they spin in cognitive/theoretical circles, they need the world to bounce their ideas 💡 off of. The arguing about stuff they don’t actually believe in is a *Massive* waste of an INTJ’s time (and we all know INTJs time is our most prized possession). INTJs operate inward with understanding and because we are lead Ni we don’t need the world’s opinions in order to come to a universal understanding about a topic. That coupled with my Te of wanting to come to conclusions that make sense and are actionable and my Fi value of my time as a resource that I can’t get back going in theoretical circles for the sake of it...🚪 This isn’t to say ENTPs aren’t cool people with lots of interesting viewpoints, but I think it just comes down to whether or not they’re dealing with a type that can tolerate their need to do this for long stretches of the relationship.

[@stupidretard492]

Well you know what as an ENTP I can confirm that I can’t tolerate y’all either, INTJ’s are a ginormous pain in the ass to atleast me, same with ISTP. Y’all are hella intolerant of the way our brain works and I can tell it’s second nature to just automatically assume ENTP’s are completely useless. Typical too critical and rudely judgemental INTJ. 👍

[@stupidretard492]

Maybe it just goes both ways. Typical ENTP starting an argument for no reason my bad :/

[@stupidretard492]

But what I’m saying is ENTP’s don’t like y’all just as much. Trust me

[@ilovesamyo]

Omg ISTP here and this Jack Montgomery fella is bringing out awful things in me. Had to edit my comment so many times in case the po po comes. It’s the immaturity, verbal recklessness, emotional callousness that makes me just want to-- wait, no strangle emoji? lame.

[@DEEJAYNH10]

idk why it's a stereotype or not , but they say ISTP are too unsentitive , or they treat others as stupid" , I actually treat other people feelings as in " logically will this offend people, and i treat people differently based on there sensitivness that i assume i saw using the S , but within limits of logic , if it's oversensitivness it drains me and i tell it straight or avoid people" and even if people are wrong, i don't pull the stupid card in my brain because i find that card in the feeling side aka if thinking that someone is stupid is a F rather than a T function . but i would try to make them see the "right" pov as much as i can and then go like "that's pointless to discuss" if i feel like it's not going anywhere ,aka impatience when people just fails to see thing due to their feelings , i say my point in a sum lt them be without wasting any energy on "oh they are stupid , or cant they not use their brain" i think it's an F reaction rather then the claims of it being a T .That's my pov as an ISTP

[@ilovesamyo]

“Common sense ain’t so common.”

[@stormiewutzke4190]

I have clashed with my wife and my dad. I kinda think its anxious attachment problem. Lots of control and authority crap.

[@NoLifeKing999]

I wonder why every random person that I met just for a day but immediately felt so close with was either an ENTP or an ESTP, lol -ISTP here

[@lovewho]

There's definitely a synergy/similarity there ~ Nathan

[@inappropriate4333]

I'm an ISTP and my twin brother is an ENTP, I think this explains a lot

[@codenamevodka6077]

damn, I have this istp friend, and we always got into an arguement, me that doesn't realize that we are arguing and don't understand why my friend doesn't understand what I am trying to say, and my friend also think that I don't understand what she was saying, damn all I told her was just some insights and told her how things would go if she did this and that and other people's point of view...

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

Though I’m a INTP, I wonder if this is why I clash with my ISTP brother

[@trixiehall6900]

i have a soft spot for an istp - entp