Why do INTJ & INFJ turn to God? | CS Joseph Responds

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

I'm an INTJ, and I accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour a few years ago.

[@bellahazz]

infj born as muslim here, honestly i had a lot of question growing up and some of them were not answered by people around me. i think i did apply critical thinking in everything, but as i live, the more proof is showing about my religion, for example, when my mother was sick, i remember i prayed in my prayer to be the last person to be with her on her last day, and i did really happen. and it was promises if you take care of your mother, you will receive a lot of rizky (provision in the world), and it did really happen 😢, i was so blessed with everything, i got job whenever i want, i prayed to get the best husband, i got a very religious, generous and humble ENFP husband, the best husband and in laws, i feel protected and now i dont even have to work ❤ my struggle at the moment is staying humble just like them. huhu

[@luminyam6145]

I was raised as a fundamentalist. I am forever grateful to my INFJ son who was instrumental in helping me deconvert. He did that while he was a teenager. Now he is nearly 40 and is our family guru. He has cultivated a close and loyal group of friends and relatives over the years and we all go to him for advice and council. He is wise and good.

[@paradigmshift7541]

I went through a similar process, full athiest mode, i couldn't stop there forever tho. I did believe I had arrived at the truth, i mean my background has always been science focused and still is so it makes sense to drop religion and all notions of intelligent design. Over time I came across more and more people more intelligent than I am, I continued to inquire about how someone with high-IQ could possibly entertain religion/God, it seemed so incongruent. It was a tough pill to swallow, and I still can't completely grasp how God could be possible, but in a seemingly arbitrary and unconventional way, I could see how God could be a possibility. Even with the best scientific tools and theories and models available to us, we reach a limit at how much we can truly understand about the past. It's dangerous to attribute what one doesn't know as "an act of God", this is a VERY dangerous trap. If we pose the question what happened before the big bang, and the best science can tell us that it's possible the big bang was not truly the beginning and just apart of a theoretical "multiverse" well then science while rooted in objectivity, also makes too many leaps in areas that we humans cannot understand yet. Even the best best cosmologists reach a limitation at which objective science can give us the truth, and from there they must attempt to make as logical leaps and conclusions as possible. I don't want to attribute any unknowns to God, but if we were to accept that the Universe or Multiverse's grandiosity is of such great magnitudes that it's incomprehensible to us, then I think there is room to say that maybe God played a role. I wonder if your INFJ son will settle on his answer, or continue further. If he's truly INFJ, i doubt he'll sit still forever.

[@luminyam6145]

@@paradigmshift7541 Yeah I need more than feelings, I need evidence and there is none.

[@paradigmshift7541]

@Luminya M There's no evidence for the multiverse and the big bang, just best guesses based on theoretical mathematics and modeling, and yet we use science as our "objective" truth. We humans if not highly intelligent are unlikely to be able to grasps such grandiose ideas as the multiverse or God. I don't have an answer for either and i'll forever be searching, but I'm open to learning from those smarter than I, and many many of the most intelligent people on this planet mess with both ideas of rejecting God and accepting an idea of God. If you're not INFJ, i doubt you could understand how such notions could be entertained, but it's okay we all have strengths and weaknesses and limitations! 😁

[@angelar9759]

Bless your infj son :(

[@jacobwiren8142]

I'm an INTJ. I grew up in a religious community surrounded by ISFJs. I went to church for 10 years. I can now confidently say that I love Christianity... but I hate the politics and I hate the people. xD

[@AndyMatrixTV]

Thats exactly how I feel

[@NotCJ95]

Same exact story. My faith is stronger than ever after actually reading the Bible and believing in Christ instead of relying on an interpretation of the scriptures once a week by an airhead pastor

[@icingcake]

*critical thinking* - not encouraged by the church. High standards are hard to keep.

[@thedestroyercreator]

By far (visually) the coolest video ever

[@adrianb4486]

i agree

[@forkymental5154]

Looks like an album cover, with him being a cross between Bruce Springsteen and Justin Bieber.

[@etherealrosegold]

I find that living Islam is what people really need. How can it not be true when you're constantly being asked to use your intellect, reflect and think. This is ultimate freedom. To be a slave of Allah,The One True God is what makes you free, cause then you can't be enslaved and owned by anything or anyone else. The One who created you, only He gets to say what's permissible and what isn't. And he's made all harmful things to us, unlawful. If you commits such acts, then you're harming yourself. The signs are all around you, and in yourself, but only a few reflect and actually see the truth.

[@cmb9493]

As a young INTJ, I 100% agree about the seeing is believing and the nihilism perspective. At the age of 5, I remember I was at school playing basketball during recess and one of the children asked me, "Christian, do you believe in God?" And I remember myself straight up saying, "No." My whole life I believed that God was there, but I had to see Him myself in order to have complete confidence in my faith. That experience actually didn't happen until very early December in 2020, but that is a whole story for another time that I will share on another video that discusses religion. Love all of you guys and take care 🙏💪

[@mandalovescatspandas1781]

As an INFP, I can wholeheartedly say that I love God Love the lake setting. Looks so peaceful. The stogie is just the icing on the cake

[@honor9lite1337]

Which god?

[@mandalovescatspandas1781]

@@honor9lite1337 Jehovah (yahweh) through the blood of Jesus :)

[@SNAPLINKSLLC]

@Pharisee Spot 🙄

[@azum7416]

Not a religious person even though my family are religious but I do think you can filter out different belief systems and take what is useful or what is true(and remove the bs and corruption from it) and integrate it with your own perspective, I like to keep it flexible - infj

[@intj1782]

Yeah same but INTJ.

[@intj1782]

@Pharisee Spot Do you mean I'm an INFJ?

[@intj1782]

@Pharisee Spot Maybe I'm

[@SNAPLINKSLLC]

@Pharisee Spot LOL there's plenty of people who have the belief thats not even remotely an infj trait. Also I'm an "infj" (if you wanna use silly lables) and I totally believe in God. I've found proof for that at least a God exist.

[@azum7416]

@@SNAPLINKSLLC nothing new. What makes your proof differ from other people proof that God exist? Not debating whether God exist or not.

[@dga910]

INFJ male here, this speaks volumes to my mindset after leaving my parents and home state. I've been with a ENTP for 7 year and going to be married soon, she believed nothing and I wanted to share my Baptist beliefs with her but I didnt feel I knew the truth so how could I? So I've researched the truth and real meaning in the bible and all the misconceptions and edits from history, I started researching other religions (agnostic, atheist, occultist, forgotten dead and living religions and so on). They all started piecing in a puzzle that structured my mind in a true belief, a little from everything as it's like a sudoku problem. It's been eye opening but I've fallen victim to the nihilistic perspective, in this day and age it's hard with the economic struggles to not see nihilistic views. This video just adds to the fact that people arent complex and they never will be, we can be read like a book, what's complex is the civilization and world we live in, were just too arrogant to see.

[@gaving7825]

I totally agree with you, and honestly I found my deep dive into religion to have similar results I don't think the nihilistic perspective has to be the default, personally I really enjoy "Optimistic Nihilism" aka Existentialism Just like how Nihilists say "Nothing matters, I may as well do as I please" (paraphrasing), Existentialism is more like "Nothing matters, so why be anything other than kind to others when I can be?" Value is how it is defined in the self, honestly. It always has been. Lots of aspects of humanity have value to me; literature, art, passion, etc. I personally don't believe a lack of divine value makes things valueless (the core of typical Nihilistic reasoning), rather, values have always been what we judge them to be. We ourselves, are only organisms after all. xD

[@dga910]

@Pharisee Spot as i, someone that has never read or researched literature on this topic what would you re best works to push past the "void" and into a so call mentally free anti-negative mindset. As classic positivity is so repulsing as its details and depth are soooo vague and shallow?

[@superXfairXgirl]

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" 2Cor 6:14

[@mango38628]

What do you like about being with an entp female? Any advice for this relationship, thank you!

[@dga910]

@@mango38628 she has a great representation of what male INFJs struggle to implement into society. She's masculine, by the current standards of today, while INFJs are more seen as feminine. That's the biggest point by far. Secondly the cognitive stack assures she and me do not stop using one part of our process and also stops us from being blindsided. That only comes with communication which can be hard but I've never been able to be more open and build my own rationalize opinion without her devils advocate and exploration of ideas and understanding of her neutral morality. In the simplest answer: were opposites of people with the same imagination and internal curiosity

[@yeojinjeong7084]

I’m INFJ, God called me last September when I decided to end my life. Jesus is alive and I cut off most of the useless sinful lifestyles including fake friendship.

[@RaeAria]

❤🙏

[@gaving7825]

I am a male INFJ and an Agnostic Theist, in my personal opinion I don't align with organized religion at all (or most angles of spirituality). It is almost certain that the metaphysical exists, but humans are only assuming knowledge of it through implied symbolism (which we call religion) You ask most people why they believe and once you get past the initial dogma, it is basically "Because my parents did and their parents did before them", or "Because it gives me assurance" I have no hatred for organized religion and scientifically speaking, those who are religious often lead healthier and more fulfilled lives than those who are not. What I dislike as well, is people that do not truly critically think about it at all. x.x

[@Flamable1]

I'm an INTP and come to be Christian after being brought up in a religious and spiritually devoid culture and family. It's a long story but essentially I had prayers answered too many times for me to rationalize anymore. In fact my rational mind is constantly battling my new Christian understanding of the world. The glue that always keeps me from straying too far from Christianity at this point is the " healthier and more fulfilled lives" aspect you alluded to above. For me Christianity just seemed like the right fit in that respect, and I was pleasantly surprised by the kindness of the human beings at my local church who confirmed to me I was on a good path. It's also a good bedrock for me to start a family with given the cultural decay in recent decades, and lack of meaning for many, I would rather my kids had a sense of meaning that is higher than themselves rather than finding meaning in lower things such as money, status, self gratification ect Having opened myself up to this path by understanding it's utility I do find myself believing more and praying more (whilst also having internal doubts) It's an interesting turn in my life for sure

[@gaving7825]

@@Flamable1 I'm glad Christianity and your faith provides you with a rock to lean on in troubled times and times of doubt, I don't have a problem with the faith per-se, but I suppose my problem lies in people the believe blindly and hate any outsiders voraciously I went to Church on Sunday a lot growing up, Sunday school, Catechism and was confirmed by the church, etc. I never once hated it, but the thing that bothered me the most... is that nobody knew why they believed. And if nobody truly knows, and tells you not to question it... it is a sketchy situation for a critical thinker, as you know. xD I think people who think critically often leave the church or justify it within acts of synchronicity (divine coincidence, as you mentioned). But I think the attribution of /specific/divine values themselves to acts of synchronicity are treading shaky ground built on logical fallacies. After all, when the Buddhist experiences synchronicity, does he thank Christ? Does the Christian thank or attribute it to Thor? Does the Ancient Norseman in the cold suddenly attribute it to Shiva, god he has never heard of or known? No. The missing piece of the puzzle is mental frameworks. Without mental frameworks we cannot justify anything, so we seek to know them, so we can 'know' more. Knowledge itself is a synthetic interpretation of reality but not reality itself, ergo, we fit "inexplicable" things into whatever frameworks we can to keep from going mentally deranged or imbalanced I will also say I also don't think morality and religion are tied at all, and good teachings are easy to understand regardless of religion's involvement. "You need religion to be good" is itself more of a Christian 'hat trick'. Because do you, really? I personally know better than to do unto others, that I don't want returned to me. Sounds like Christianity, you might say. And you would be right, but it is also Karma. It's all symbolic interpretation of the 'perceived' divine. xD I say none of this out of ill will or hate to be clear but I will always encourage people to consider other perspectives and I also try to consider theirs, but I figured I would pitch back my two cents as well since I find discussions like this (and people's perspectives) fascinating I appreciate you sharing your perspective as well and I hope my thoughts might be worth considering in kind! 😎

[@celticdeamon567]

@@Flamable1 prayer is you as mind communicating with you as soul. All paranormal phenomena is explained in this way since soul is manifesting your creation. We are all limited vessels of infinite source. GOD is not external.

[@VicCrisson]

christian intj here, absolutely confident in the absolute truth

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

God bless you, brother.

[@yd2847]

As a muslim intj, there still remain all other beliefs and even ideas within my own community, which I can reject ;). As it's said: if god closes a door, he will open new ones for you.

[@slittingsoviets33]

I love ur vibe in this video. I’m going to check out ur other ones

[@t-man5196]

As an intj myself, this was such an apt description of the inherent disinclination towards religion present in our type.

[@qasimimtiaz994]

I am open to the idea, that there is a god but where is the concrete proof? - INTJ.

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

Look into the 'Cosmological Axis of Evil'. I don't have a non-spiritual explanation for that.

[@sylviaowega3839]

INTP here. One of the most tumultuous periods of my life is when I had lost my religion and belief of my family when I was 13. I realized that once I started having doubts and becoming skeptic there was no turning back for me. As an INTP, my Ti kept on fond many logical fallacies within Scripture and didn’t agree with my newfound epistemic understanding and reason

[@daffling]

I am an ISFP and am catholic. It was hard to become one though. I mean, I come from religous family, but I didn’t really believe till I was like 17 y.o. since I didn’t understand the belief system of Catolicism. Anyway, as I started my senior year in high school I got a new catechist and that’s the time that I started to grow with my faith. I mean, the catechist seemed authentic and it triggered me, so I kept asking questions and reading books that he recommended. This went with learning to pray. I started to talk to God and developed good connection between us. And yet, I think the bond and knowledge wouldn’t be enough. God showed me many times that He exists, listens to me and cares about me. And He answered my prayers in different ways. If not those experiences, I think I wouldn’t be so sure that what I believe is true. I mean, if I didn’t experience them till now from time to time, because I end up forgetting them after a while 😅

[@jimmiej8]

Intj just found Jesus here

[@JAHANNUM]

It’s not that all belief systems are true, it’s that there are nuggets of truth _within_ these belief systems. The way Ni works is by looking at all of this and triangulating the data so that the INxJ can derive a theme which then leads to a grand narrative being created. This is necessary for “world peace” as we essentially look for common ground rather than focussing on the differences which can be attributed to the way everyone perceives things differently. The source stays the same, but the interpretation of said source differs based on the system. This doesn’t mean, however, that I don’t personally follow a specific philosophy or religion. I have my own biases, and I follow what I believe to make the most sense within my Ni narrative, which I can also apply in the sensory world so that it isn’t just useless philosophical BS.

[@RachelledelaRosa]

100%

[@pmlover1810]

I think you have captured this INFJ’s sentiment perfectly as well. Kudo’s to you. Ni may like shortcuts/efficiencies , but we find the underlying pattern first.

[@intj1782]

I wanted to tell you that you should stop smoking. It's obviously not good for you. I don't want you to suffer in long run, I guess you know what I mean?

[@CSJoseph]

There is a difference between Cigars and Cigarettes

[@melissan2239]

@Hana600 chemicals, deeper inhalation (cigarettes)

[@BookofYAH777]

I'm INTJ. Grew up in atheistic/agnostic environment. Now I'm going all-in for the Biblical worldview. Here's why: I did my due diligence and actually looked at what evidence is presented by the different worldviews. The existence of ghosts (demons who pretend to be human souls) is a well-documented fact and it disproves atheism and necessitates the belief in a spiritual world. Same can be said about the existence of occult phenomena (people who break laws of physics by borrowing supernatural power from demons - whether the demons reveal their true nature or disguise themselves as "invisible energy and yin/yang/chakras" and whatnot). So which theistic worldview is the real one? The Biblical worldview is supported by archaeology and real science (see Ron Wyatt). But of course, the atheism/agnosticism hegemony in academia won't admit it and will instead misinterpret the facts/observations as "evolution" and "big bang" (see Kent Hovind where he disproves their misinterpretations and explains how those findings are actually evidence of Biblical events like Noah's flood, etc). Islam isn't valid because Koran is just a plagiarized, edited, corrupted version of the Bible - the latter being the original. Muslims falsely assume that Bible has "many versions" when in fact those "versions" are just translations that derive from one original version if you read in original Hebrew language. Buddhism/Hinduism aren't valid because they literally don't have any logical arguments to support their beliefs. It's just wishful thinking: "there is suffering in this world so I want the suffering to end by going to Nirvana, so that automatically implies that Nirvana stuff is true, and meditating seems like a plausible way to get there and it makes me feel good that there's a way to reach Nirvana, so it must be true that meditation and stuff will get me there". EDIT: someone asked for evidence of supernatural occult phenomena and demons/ghosts. The highest ROI evidence is probably looking up video recordings of that. Verbal evidence isn't strong enough, and direct engagement in these things is dangerous and can infest your house with demons that terrorize you and make your life a living hell while possessing/manipulating you into becoming evil and destructive to yourself and others.

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

God bless you. I'd be interested to hear more of your sources if you have the time, particularly on the existence of a demonic realm.

[@BookofYAH777]

@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers I've seen paranormal phenomena and others have also seen the same. You can find plenty of testimonies on the internet and also video footage. Some will claim that the footage is fake but this is because they don't want to let go of their investments into their materialistic worldview where everything can be put under a microscope and conveniently described by formulas/theories. But not everything in life works that way - you see this especially when you study history.

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

@@BookofYAH777 We have to trust in Jesus. He has power over these beings.

[@BookofYAH777]

@@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers amen!

[@Igneous01]

I tested as an INTJ, and I grew up with a nihilistic father and a Catholic mother. So I got both perspectives growing up. I believe there is a God, but I also believe that none of the religious texts truly explain who God is, or the nature of God. There are just too many contradictions between the different religions to make any concrete definition of what God is. Some say God is all loving and peace, yet Jesus said 'I did not come to bring peace, I came with a sword'. The Tao Te Ching is probably the most balanced of all the spiritual books, as it addresses the purpose of the warrior. Where Christianity and Catholicism seem to mock the warrior and see it as evil and unnecessary, never did Jesus say 'Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword' is a sin. That is simply the way of the warrior. I read the Nag Hammadi, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Quran, parts of the Hindu texts, the Buddhist texts, and the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. But I've also read 1984, Fahrenheit 451, and Animal Farm. On the one hand, it seems that society led by the word of man inevitably decays into totalitarianism and death. Yet all the societies that were founded on the word of God, eventually became corrupted as the word of God replaced the word of men. Now we live in a time where much of our moral questions are not answered by the sacred texts, so we must look within our hearts to find the missing scripture. And then I read the book of Ecclesiastes and can't help but agree with the author... are we not all toiling away meaninglessly in our lives? Has everything not already been done before, and that which has not been done, be done again? Are the cycles of creation and destruction inevitable? Is totalitarianism inevitable? Was the serpent that tempted Eve not God? After all, why would God desire to create perfect yet ignorant beings? Surely a God would create life that it itself could talk to. Surely God has seen all manner of good and evil long before there ever was an Earth, long before there ever was man? And what of the halls of Amenti, the dweller, the lords of life and death? What of the king who sits on the throne blacker than night? Is that not God? And what of the unnameable, unknowable Tao? Is that not the abyss itself? The place of nonexistence where everything came to be? Does God not descend into darkness, only to rise into the light once more, with power and faith restored, as proclaimed by Thoth? And the Gospel of Judas. That the kingdom of God is found within? Somewhere in this complex web of ancient sacred texts, there exists some sort of universal truth connecting all of them, but it has been so distorted by man, as to seem impossible to comprehend.

[@JohanAnders-fm6fk]

INTJ here, I have been using my ENTP shadow and ESFP subconscious to have enormous success with women. Then eventually I became nihilistic, I had to plow through Nietzsche and Schopenhauer and Greek philosophers, I actually read all of world history and that made sense of the philosophy, then Carl Jung and and extreme life situations forced me to connect all the dots. The most important revelation I got from all of this world knowledge was this, that no amount of philosophy can actually surpass the moral teachings of bible and Quran, we humans havnt managed to surpass the Bible or Quran in philosophy. The knowledge in bible is extremely superior to anything human beings have ever produced. So my conclusion was this, that God is real and he exists. I found god through knowledge and life experience. Chase is well read and too deep for most people, I can see how you can become religious again. It’s a sign of intellect and critical thinking.

[@emma_doucette]

I'm an INTJ Christian. Your functions certainly impact how you interpret the abstract concept of a creator you can't see. However I don't think it's impossible for any type to believe any one thing. Tendencies and patterns are definitely present in types believing or not believing certain things. From the Christian perspective, God can change anyone, he's all powerful. From an INTJ perspective, I can always choose what I believe in.

[@hadessonofcronus1826]

Can you believe something that is false ?

[@dovio832]

@@hadessonofcronus1826 look at FPs who lack Ti . They don't even know what is true , all they have is their beliefs.

[@VicCrisson]

@@hadessonofcronus1826 it depends if you value truth or not, and what your understanding of truth is, let's say subjective/post-modern vs classical-objective-absolutist

[@paradigmshift7541]

@@hadessonofcronus1826 Yes you can believe in many things that are false. If you are trained or educated in Marxist/Postmodern ideas, you somewhat have to believe in many things that are objectively false.

[@nabeelmk1804]

Love you Mr. Joseph, have become one of my favourite KZbinrs in less than a month. One of my most influential intellectual discoveries this year, and this is coming out of a graduate programme. However, please bear in mind that Islam, although characterised by a fundamentally individual relationship with God (we don’t have confession booths or priest intercessors), is a communally practiced religion. One of the things the INTJ and INFJ will benefit most from religion is a sense of community and belonging to something more meaningful than themselves, especially due to their perceived sense of isolation and despair. The term “organised religion” is a historically loaded term that applies best to the European concept of The Church as an institution, one that would take vulgar amounts of money from its religion’s believers and adherents. Let me make this clear: for all of Islam’s current malpractice and lack of critical thinking from its adherents (a criticism which I wholeheartedly agree with): we never had such a concept of a “Mosque” (with a capital M, just didn’t exist) as an institution of power and control, or mosques that would syphon money out of Muslims. On the contrary, this practice is a major sin in the religion and is almost entirely unheard of. What happened in your personal life is inconceivable to a Muslim’s relationship to a mosque. Islam being grouped with the critical term of “organised religion” that connotes with the corruption of the Church, is factually incorrect, and makes you come off as ignorant. Otherwise: Keep up the extraordinary work, my friend. But encourage people towards spiritual community, with a healthy dose of scepticism, despite all of it’s flaws. We are social animals, as well as meaning-seeking animals.

[@obcane3072]

Developing Ti critic has resulted in the elimination of existential dread. Sure there may doubts that creep in, but they are there to make you do the work and satisfy the critic. I have 2 INTJ relatives in my life that have transformed into angelic ISFJ within the framework of religion. It's impressive to witness.

[@andrepinzon8337]

The main reason is we get to a point where we realise there are too many patterns for there not to be a god

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

Deep. Have you heard of the 'Cosmological Axis of Evil'? Check it out if not - it blew my mind. Yes, it's a misleading name for it.

[@stetonburton5670]

As an INFJ, I can only say that my version of 'more effort' in this area involves looking at the connections between people's beliefs, the scenarios that lead to beliefs to begin with, and the localizations of beliefs which gives the value of juxtaposition in what is 'mainstream' and why that is different in different places. Even with extraneous effort, I do not personally think that it is possible to verify "god", "gods", or "divine" in the sense of omnipotent or omnipowerful beings - but it does appear reasonable to assert "spiritual intelligences," with whatever means or aims that might entail, even to the extent of guiding humanity, the evolution of earth and other places in space. That idea could even reasonably include our own human spirits being involved in said historical evolutions of our planet when we are not personally alive in a body, which would conflict with the idea that only god guides all things (not saying that it is only humans, just that we might be part of a grander system that we arent aware of... potentially, which merits consideration) - but honestly it seems a lot more practical to think this way in the sense that we arent assuming that a single consciousness is behind 'all things' which DOES feel a bit cartoony and meant for people of low intellect to wrap their minds around something simple and easy. Perhaps this seems semantical, but there is a certain emotion that many people appear to affirm when thinking of or talking about an idea referred to as god. The emotion that people appear to have in this instance projects too many inner narratives, to the extent that any spiritual event can be attributed as a work of god, and any emotional event can be attributed to god as well. Suddenly, all of life is god. It's a lot like people who look deeply into numerology - the numbers start to be associated with a feeling, or an impulse, and that starts to paint a narrative that is projected everywhere. Everything is the numbers to some, everything is god to many, or everything is... whatever else people tend to think or feel strongly about. But, ultimately, the narrative is sourced from human imagination and emotion, and the only part that truly matters (in my opinion) is if it helps you to get through your life or pursue your goals. For many it does seem to help with those things, but sadly our modern mainstream religions also often create sectors of people to be abused by beliefs that specifically target and ostracize them. In this, the value is defeated by a lot of huge problems, many of which can be traced to parts of history where humans decided that certain beliefs would be helpful in controlling the populace to do or not do certain things. In those instances, what we might think of as spiritual was nothing more than politicians maneuvering their respective playgrounds, and if you look at modern politics you can see how easily public slander can be adopted with a fanaticism that mirrors religious belief. As someone who has experienced many spiritual occurrences and who seeks to have more experiences that will expand my awareness (no I am not referring to drug use,) I think it is useful and perhaps even important to reduce my own beliefs and ideas to a base form - to reduce bias, to reduce assumptions of what is or isnt - until all that is left is what is necessary for my understanding, to verify experiences, to maintain my ego for the purpose of motivation, and to fulfill my emotional need to perceive 'something' spiritual that is greater than 'nothing' while not taking it to the extreme of living totally within ethos. All of this is highly life defining, and honestly it is questionable how much deviating from the mainstream belief sets benefits an individual beyond being able to use that as a way to bond with other outliers. It is clear that there could be benefits in such a pursuit, but it isnt clear exactly how those benefits would manifest in society at large for people, except perhaps to mirror our current one, just with a few different bits of flavor here and there within the popular ideologies (since specific beliefs are not necessarily the core of mainstream ideas, but rather feelings of attachment are and that can be applied and lived within most things with a great deal of similarity no matter how true or untrue) - ultimately, it seems that the path of seeking a truer experience of something spiritual will always be an outlier activity with that in mind. Critical thinking in this area can be... complicated and perplexing to say the least. I think it is impossible if you are attached to your beliefs because by our nature we are attached to our upbringing, and you can only analyze it properly by being detached from it. And only someone who values doing so would even want to, so not all people who are detached would. It's a strange middle area.

[@asheekitty9488]

"...And lemme tell you folks... critical thinking... takes alot of effort."

[@icingcake]

That’s actually true. Didn’t really think about it like that.

[@deepforestgreen8308]

It's very interesting to see Chase changing throughout the years. As an INFJ I never truly adopted others believe systems, but consider them. Now I do whaterver works for my personal development and joy.

[@azum7416]

Yeah that's a better way to live life

[@SNAPLINKSLLC]

Everyone literally adopts someone's belief systems. And if you're pulling from Culture then you're adopting MK ultra mind control belief system because that's what creates our culture, the mockingbird(operation).

[@deepforestgreen8308]

@@SNAPLINKSLLC It's not true. You can not talk about everybody, because you don't know everybody. It's even almost a miracle if you know your own self.

[@SNAPLINKSLLC]

@@deepforestgreen8308 why can't I? Do most people not watch t.v or use social media or even radio? How about books? We all get our ideas from somewhere, most from culture. Our culture is socially engineered so if you are getting it from culture then well....I'd advise you to look into what I'm saying. Just writing it off as tomfoolery when something as serious as this can be true is just....not wise. And while I do agree it is hard to know yourself truly (mainly because of the propaganda bombarding us from all sides in culture) I believe it is possible, no miracle required

[@deepforestgreen8308]

@@SNAPLINKSLLC It's okay, everyone communicates from their own level of understanding.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

Christianity is growing lots outside of the morally declining west.

[@RachelledelaRosa]

That’s true.

[@gerardolopez2575]

I thought I was intp for years but now listening to c.s Joseph and his method of typing in starting to think I’m intj that was stuck in the shadow, but whatever lol can someone get c.s. Joseph acquainted with the work of Michael heiser quick!? I would love to hear his opinion about it, especially the book “The Unseen Realm” or his podcast the naked Bible podcast. I’m pretty sure he’ll find it interesting

[@MattEvans-sy3nt]

I resent the fact that it seems so easy for people to adopt belief systems that are faulty or circular just to be able to maintain structure.... But at the same time, it seems impossible to actually function as a human without adopting one....They all seem to implode shortly after adoption.... it's like they all work but none of them work for me

[@JungINFJ]

My ISTJ friend once told me: I'd rather believe God does exist and be wrong than believe he doesn't and be wrong... I salute you good sir.

[@rhinoculousaurus]

Nice to hear your thought. Smoking cigar low key chill. Accurate in terms of teaching, Christian minorities and such. As infj see patterns in life, nature they apply them to there beliefs. Nihilistic Is to reject all religions. So the fact that they choose one is more conscientious & discriminating. Good critical thinking does consider an open mind which allows a person to include faith & experience. To be absolute is probably why se users are less in churches. I believe in God, at one point contemplated leaving. But God revealed His nuggets I needed to keep my faith. And oddly enough it wasn't in church, or in the bible. When personal experience cannot be challenged by another. I do believe in God & Jesus.

[@celticdeamon567]

I reject all religions and I follow nobody. I am not a nihilist. So you assume incorrectly. I choose to KNOW. Not to believe. I chose to remember. To know myself as soul. To reject all normals. All dogmas. To not believe in anything. Belief is a dirty word when you can choose to know for yourself. To be a nihilist is to have incorrect assumptions from the perspective of ego, where limited mind forgets about unlimited consciousness/ soul. And thinks there is nothing, materialism. This is the new religion of science. STILL a belief. Odin sacrificed himself for self knowledge. Crucifying himself on the tree of life sacrificing identification with ego (to live in identification with ego is a dead life).. to die and access unlimited consciousness (to be born) coming back to life and bringing the runes (language/ mysteries) to life with him. The old gods are not to be believed in literally, they are metaphors reflecting consciousness in natural processes of birth and death.. and examples of paths you can take. You are supposed to be intelligent enough to see this but modern humans post Christianity..are the dumbest of any generations yet. Before Christ, Europe had no base negative assumption about being humans and no guilt built into culture and our bodies. They understood nature as a reflection of self. They knew that death is not because I AM. They did not live in fear of hell and ideas of God. and before Christianity, kids as young as 7 would have figured this out, to not take the stories literally. Something abrahamic followers of an eastern control system have failed to work out even as old men and women for generations. Chopping down all the forests for conquest. To believe in something precludes you from seeing it's opposite and condemns you to not KNOWING. To death and blindness. All truths are half truths.

[@paradigmshift7541]

@@celticdeamon567 I believe in the Big Bang theory, Multiverse, and Darkmatter/energy, I can certainly believe in God too. Never went to Church, never been around many Christians, I just walk to the beat of my own drum, my mind takes me where it takes me.

[@omerekici9835]

I am born as a muslim, but asked myself would I still be a muslim if I wasn't born in an islamic family. So I did research on the Judaism, Christianity, Islam and atheism. And still Islam makes the most sense for me, because it's the same God and accepts all prophets and the prophet Muhammed pbuh. Also has so many resources that it confirms my belief. -ENFJ

[@CSJoseph]

Try critical thinking

[@omerekici9835]

@@CSJoseph thank you, already tried and worked out great

[@sandymakesplans]

some random lady went up to an intj friend of mine to tell her jesus loves her and ask if she believed in him. the intj responded, 'i believe Jesus was murdered.' the lady said ok and dismissed herself awkwardly. 🙂😐

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

Your friend is halway there.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

INFJ and INTJ seek that one big unity that everything is connected to. A God like creature can offer this to them, as that is what they deemed to be. It is prettiy simple actually

[@stefani.delima]

I know when I started believing in God. I was 5, and I went to church with my best friend at the time. There is plenty in religion that I've blindly believed then understood differently, but have never been able to disbelieve in God. The only time that came close to disbelief was when my previously non-religious, immediately family started making me go to church when I was 14, and I watched them all get baptized. I guess when you see how everything unfolds and the design, it's hard for me to not believe.

[@jilliangreen8435]

Same, I prayed to God at 4 before we went to church that my grandmas lung cancer would go away, and it did. She lived into her 90’s.. she was probably 60s at the time. My parents asked me what I was doing when I was kneeling beside my bed praying, they didn’t know where I learned it (probably books/tv). Since God proved His existence then, I haven’t doubted it since, however I rejected organized religion years ago.-INFJ

[@paradigmshift7541]

@@jilliangreen8435 Wait, so you believe in God, but dont play along with organized religions? That's interesting.

[@JungINFJ]

I saw the title of this and thought "ooh interesting"... then I thought, nah, I believe, it doesn't apply to me...then I heard CSJ say Si demon needs "confidence in what it believes and can turn nihilistic"...I said, damn, that is me even in my faith...so I have to write it out maybe for just myself even... My faith journey has been: First I'm a cradle Catholic (I'm Mexican so yeah, along with the Irish we are a pretty Catholic heritage) meaning I was baptized as a baby and grew up with the faith; going to mass, R.E (religious education) but also grew up in public school not in a catholic school. So for me it was, go to school, then go to R.e where they teach you about the faith every Monday evening. Writhes, candles at Christmas etc.. I learned the prayers etc all good. But I took it all for granted. It wasn't until I got to college that I found out Atheists existed (the irony haha) and it was a very cold feeling...I searched...I found...it was scary...I survived... Overall though, I think Ni needs hope and innately knows there is more to the world than society would have you believe and it is this part of the faith that I hold onto...there is a puzzle piece missing that goes unsatisfactorily explained...i.e. I'd rather think of myself as a god (are ye not gods?) not a monkey but to each their own... I am not a "good Catholic" though and have always struggled to go to mass regularly. So on one hand I enjoy praying, on the other, I don't like religion (even though I recognize it's beauty)...I blame being non-systematic by nature for this...but idk just being honest. My faith as of now is to just pray: 1. The Devotion of the 3 Aves everyday - one Hail Mary for each person of the trinity (to go directly to heaven upon death no purgatory) ...so why not? 2. The Devotion to the 7 Sorrows of Mary - where you pray one Hail Mary for each sorrow and you get a grace for each...I think Fi critic is good at embracing that and I find peace with it. Also, there is a grace that says *"you can obtain as much as you ask for* as long as it does not oppose the adorable will of my divine son or the sanctification of your soul"...my Ni hero is like..."I'm listening..." haha 3. And the Chaplet of Divine Mercy to ease my Fe parent and care for the world. But that is it. I'm trying to keep it simple. *Being triple interest and not systematic I am not very structured (working on it) and I do struggle with nihilism in general but I just pray because I can't let go of hope.*

[@junkmail8883]

I'm also an INFJ but a former Catholic. I became a Protestant once I realised that Catholicism is heresy, which is revealed by simply reading the Bible. There is no Biblical basis for many Catholic doctrines - such as the doctrine of purgatory, the immaculate conception of Mary, praying for the intercession of saints and archangels, etc. I get where you're coming from - Catholicism has a very shiny veneer of legitimacy, being so high church and all. And I do appreciate a more orderly and structured form of worship (because "dancing" in church makes Se inferior uncomfortable) but, if you just did a good-faith reading of the Bible, you'd realise that you cannot seriously believe that Catholicism is a legitimate Christian denomination. There are simply too many Catholic practices that cannot be backed up with chapter-and-verse citations, at least not without misinterpreting and distorting a given verse beyond belief. Your salvation is what's at stake so I strongly encourage you to do this hard work (the critical thinking, as Chase says) and research whether or not Catholicism is legitimate for yourself.

[@ayoubwihi711]

You're such a deep and wise person ! You are inspiration to me thank you for your videos i'm a big fan 💜 I'm to lazy to talk anymore about such subjects or speak my ideas on it , but actualy you are right i'm INFJ my big brother is an INTJ , even though we grow in a muslim familly but we both are nihilistic after a long term of discussing and reading and speaking about this subjects i notice that its true that i'm universal and i love things suck mysticism and beleiving in unity of the origin of religions and all believes while my big bro ( intj ) looks like a more atheistic ( he is more scientifacal more then ma he is a mathematicien ) and he believe in spinoza's god ( witch is more like a nature or something scientifivaly prouved ) where i really believe that all believes can be true in their deepnes ...

[@sandradibiaso7316]

What a great view!

[@Briller]

what would we do without your wisdom, thank you cs Joseph

[@Crazychick80876]

I am a Christian Who has left the church from the corruption of religion. Was a member of a mega church and literally noticed the evil, politics and corruption early on.. This is my favorite one by far!! Your always on key

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

I'd be interested to hear what your worship looks like now that you've left the church. Is it private prayer, time in nature, Bible reading, or something different? I'm Christian, but absolutely accept that there are corrupt people within church.

[@louisa3928]

I'm an Infj and I'm higly spiritual...

[@VE11]

The podcast isn't playing this video It's playing a former episode answering another question

[@TokyoTaisu]

Great timing, I (INTJ) am going to see the new Mormon Church next week with my INFP father-in-law and ENFP Doterra multilevel marketing mother-in-law. Besides the NF's, full of SJ's indeed. My ISFP wife hates it. The only SP I have met there is an ISTP who worked as a black market private security contractor all over the world and killed many people in cold blood. Anyway - nihilism is a belief system in itself - got me thinking. Interesting angle.

[@Briller]

how do i get out of ni ti loop as a infj

[@WonkelDee]

Develop your Fe, help people

[@ashleylovepace1941]

what is with your hair and the cigar? You are so insanely on point with your personality breakdowns. what's with the hair and cigar?

[@CSJoseph]

Can’t accept this knowledge coming from someone like me?

[@ashleylovepace1941]

@@CSJoseph not at all. I just don't get it. unfortunately presentation matters. People will take you more seriously if you do. You'r older content you looked more approachable. I am just wondering what changed. I really wish I could understand all of your content. My son has aspergers and is an INTJ and I am striving to understand him and help him become an adult. Thanks for the reply though. I do hope you are well.

[@bobbyjean1581]

I am an ISFP. I def have the 'seeing is believing' mindset. However as I've gotten older with regards to spirituality I've started to think like: 'where is the concrete proof there is NO god/afterlife?' And there isn't any as far as I can tell. The world is strange enough - it's kinda unbelievable we're all here in the first place so would it really be that unbelievable if there was something else out there? I have also started to think God/afterlife etc could be something physically real as opposed to an abstract concept. E.g. If parallel universes exist, maybe 'the afterlife' could be a parallel universe where we live our life again or live a slightly different life etc. So it would be a real place in terms of physics. Part of the reason I think these things is because I now want to believe there's more. Is it normal for an ISFP to think this way? (it kind of drains me to think and talk about this stuff tho)

[@lazinanahar8835]

INTJs like to believe in themselves, I don’t want to say things like "I prayed for it but God didn’t give it to me.I did everything but why I wasn’t given it" rather I would like to believe in myself,in a way that "I have to do everything I can do and if it’s a failure there is absolutely smth that I have missed.Then I will find out it".That's bcz believing in yourself and God is interconnected, so we need both,

[@lexiferenczy9695]

As an INTJ my problem with religion is that I don't want a priest to tell me the "shoulds" and higher meanings of my life neither want I to bend the knee to a god. I want to be my own priest and have my own religion/ spirituality.

[@hannah_marie97]

I'm remembering Jennifer lawrence (infj) accepting her award and afterwards her saying to herself 'what does it all mean, NOTHING' that nhialism in full force. She's lost of what her goals are 😂

[@Floridamanknowsbestt]

A hero dose of mushrooms will take care of that si demon.

[@shinoyashino7995]

I agree, I don’t like religious organizations when they are so brainwashing. I just like to absorb all kinds of ideas. Catholic as kid, always doubting, never fully convinced. Like Buddhism and Taoism though-INFJ

[@sunsetjesus4719]

How ridiculous is that the God from different religions have conflicted ideas when he's supposed to be the one create everything. The Chinese god looks Chinese, Indian god looks Indian , African god looks African and they all have different origin stories specific to their tribes and also many conflicts in teachings as well. It's all man made bs

[@fadingintent]

dope intro 👍

[@louise-aurore3510]

Infj here. I surrendered my life to my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in 2011 while reading the Bible for merely intellectual purposes. I know that God is alive and loves Him with all my heart, soul and mind.

[@reis8556]

I have an INTJ friend who believes in God and is past the nilist phase. I helped him by answering some questions about God and the Christian religion. I believe in God, I have my own belief system, I study and use critical thinking to learn more about God. Me and my INTJ friend do this together and we always debate when we can. I remember when we considered Lucifer an ESFP based on biblical texts and Joseph made a video saying that Lucifer was an ESFP but based on Paradise Lost. I don't think my personal belief system is perfect so I would like to compare it to other people's belief system and maybe one day even Joseph's system to learn more, but I don't think my English is good enough to debate, so I will try to improve my English first and keep studying to improve my belief system and get closer to the truth.

[@dakotad.8609]

What is interesting is that he could have been an ESFP at first, but after his fall, he got stuck as an ENTP. ENTP just so happens to be the demon type to ESFP.

[@kataiwannhn]

Hahaha. Lucifer as an ESFP who lost paradise. Sounds like the lampstand has been moved out of paradise.

[@reis8556]

@@dakotad.8609 exactly. I think that's why the media is always portraying him as an ENTP, when in fact, he's an ESFP in the ENTP superego. unfortunately, this contributes to giving real ENTPs a negative image. Lol

[@reis8556]

@@kataiwannhn It's funny, because my INTJ friend associated Lucifer's downfall with King Saul's replacement. just as David took the throne from Saul, Jesus took away Lucifer's authority over the world.

[@kataiwannhn]

@@reis8556 Also possible. The expulsion from paradise reminded me of the passage from the letter to Ephesus in the book of Revelation. The wisdom of Lucifer, on the other hand, reminded me of the wisdom of King Solomon and his hearing heart. This is how I imagined the ideal believing ESFP with the spiritual gift of wisdom and his danger of losing his first love.

[@lightheartedgardenia]

Applying critical thinking, hmm… yep that’s assuming you are able to go through the Si and are reasonably comfortable using Fi and Ti Critics. Any ideas on how INxJ can improve their Si skills? Aside from journaling and trying to remember what happened the week before. Actually this video provides good input to some meaningful questions I hold, about not fully assuming the responsibility to interpret my spiritual experiences. Thank you for that.

[@ashleyearnhardt819]

Infj and i am not religious. I am 100% spiritual and i believe God is a personal relationship but if you want to put a label on it I would say Animism. I have been wirh INTJ for 19 years. 4 years ago we were thrown out of sync and into our shadows and stayed together but hardly spoke to each other considering everything triggered us. Well its finally calming down now and not sure exactly of why ive consciously worked with my shadow and acceptance and am able to actually speak on my beliefs amd visions for future without feeling shame or guilt and me staying confident in that no matter what is allowing me to see the change in my INTJ where we are finally getting along after 3.5 years.... Maybe its age (it started when i was 33 and i will be 37 tomorrow) Maybe its my way of thinking Maybe God But either way it is my experience and since i lived it and overcame it i stand by it And that belief is the world is always talking to you but it depend on how deep your willing to go to seek those answers..

[@sunsetjesus4719]

If schizophrenia can exist, god can exists too. But truth in real world is vastly different from your dream's. Truth in the physical world doesn't need debate. Nobody can deny gravity or electricity

[@zhoumei6]

I am literally like an ameba lately, swallow a belief system and then spit it out. It frustrates me when I feel nothing anchors me down. Or maybe I am myself a continuous state of believing and none believing.

[@zhoumei6]

Why does infj/intj turn from God? One coin has two sides. Angels are spirits. Some spirits comes from the Dead land. I guess it depends on where do they shift the energy into.

[@zhoumei6]

One thing I notice about the mirror effects from si demon/angelic forms. It’s like they could absorb or shift their energy/shape/mental states from the existence they are close by or focusing. For example, frank in catch me if you can. I guess in spiritual realm, it is like depending on where they shift their energy into the existence, no matter if it’s daily life(God’s creation anyways from some of them says) or metaphysical realm.

[@angelinechen3251]

in fact, i do apply critical thinking to the belief. That's why I can seperate the God with church activities, Buddha with temple and monks, Taoism with social engineering, etc. Even when I participate in the seemingly alike way as others, I know I am doing it in so differently, which I can only tell the difference, compared to how others regard it. I feel like I am the only true believer and follower who really understands the god, while others just follow the templates for selfish interest and purpose. (i am a born infj but turn into intj. i know my description is not pleasant)

[@angelinechen3251]

any why inxj turns into god? coz if we don't, i worry that no one really could do the right thing and do what should be done. the great love needs Victor Hugo's idealism and self sacrifice.

[@jaredvaughan1665]

I like the location of this video.

[@sunsetjesus4719]

Without any evidence how can anyone believe in God?

[@duaa7576]

Well what evidence do we have to deny gods existence?

[@5pancerny200]

I think psychology explains it quite well. Young children in early childhood do not have much critical thinking abilities to question if what surrounding people are telling them about complex things like ideologies or religion and they just assume that those things are facts. Then when in teenage life, when people start to develop their ability to question things and those concepts are not challenged intelectually, they start to become one's identity. And then it's really difficult to change your mind even if one is proven wrong he would rather cope, rationalize or do not even participate in discussions about that, just because it can hurt their ego and due to the fact, that people tend to be mentally lazy. And because religion is for most people the default state in childhood, people start with the "burden" of belief in god and do mental gymnastics to justify it, as it should be the other way around - firstly you analize evidence, then you form a belief based on it.

[@forkymental5154]

@@nothingpersonal7091 That's one of the biggest problems I have with it. Religious indoctrination is one of the worst things a parent can do to a kid. It is child abuse. If they want to believe in something, they should do it once they're old enough to think on it.

[@treblestrings6263]

Noble Lies

[@meadowlove822]

@@nothingpersonal7091 I don’t think you answered Duaa’s question though. Belief aside, the lack of existence of God isn’t an objective truth. That’s why atheists have an issue of, often emotion based, philosophy rather than an objective conclusion, while agnosticism still has a fighting logical chance

[@sagaragarwal369]

As an intj 23 y/o I believe that, we don't know God. Because the truthfulness of the relegion is questionable, i believe the truth is scattered in all religions and as a result we trying to see or find god is a narrow perspective, we find bits and pieces of him in some part of the area. But to realise him is to accept all as one and hence one is all. I think God is something we experience within ourselves when we learn to be one with ourselves... There's a quote by da Vinci.. there are three types of people, those who see, those who see when they are shown and those who do not see. And i assume he is talking about intuition here.. and majority are sensors we knew this in some shape or form all along in all the religions, but what about those who are not abstract, they needed the statues, they needed a form a structure to believe it's real. Or else there will be no system to conform upon and there will be no hierarchy, and certain people will not have power, why do you think people preach? Because they're selling! Why do you need somebody else to realise there's something superior in the universe other than yourself? Because it controls the chaos and gives the being a structure? If you draw a circle how do you know it's a circle? Because of the the center point. Like wise I believe the only purpose of religion is to show direction in a particular manner or a lifestyle towards the divine. I firmly believe God is energy. Idk much but I have realised that much in my 23 years of life. I haven't told a lot of others things because I want to keep it short.

[@honor9lite1337]

Understand this, God is byproduct of human imagination.

[@celticdeamon567]

Move beyond identification with your ego and you become one with everything. So simple that people can't do it.

[@vincent.mazkett187]

What are your thoughts on John Shelby Spong Chase???

[@dragoncomosaics9282]

What INTJ find most important in Christianity? 1) Truth (Jesus Christ is Truth). 2) Eternal life just for believing that Jesus Christ payed price for all their sins (past, present and future) and rose again from the dead so they could be reconciled with God forever irrespective what they do or not do in this life. Without this there would be no reason for INTJ to not be Gods themselves with their own morals and ninhilism toward all religions.

[@CSJoseph]

Got to love religious transactionalism

[@BlackSailPass_GuitarCovers]

@dragoncomosaics9282 Well said. I'm disappointed to see the condescending reply you recieved from the uploader.

[@theultimatedisciple7974]

Wish you and Michael Pierce would do some collaborations, that would be insane.

[@CSJoseph]

Send him my way

[@brainwashed2534]

I feel like religion is more risky for Ni users in general bc they can get so narrow / dogmatic about it 😫

[@kimtopology4257]

In the bible it talks about how Babylon the great will be destroyed one of the signs That Jesus talked about .

[@crazydragon7865]

Are you aware that smoking has negative health consequences?

[@superXfairXgirl]

But... who am I going to be married to ? 😂😔😭 Seek Jesus people, He is worth it, so much peace and joy in your soul ! May God bless you all 💖

[@truedreams1]

In Islam there are different schools of thought. Some ahl al hadith (salafi) recommend reading from the sources yourself and making logical conlusions off them and the knowledge is evidence based (Ti/templar oriented). Sufis on the opposite say that ones thought comes before revelation, but their thoughts are very philosophical (philosopher types mostly) and not original but derived from greek philosophy that they also revived and that was picked up by the church into their theology (thats why sufis are besties with the church). There are many who delve deep inte jurisprudence which are often the so called ”crusader types” or Si types. And obviously the ”wayfarer” types would be the ones who like to conquer, they are also ”heart temple” with their passion which can attract the youth. Personally I favour the way that I mentioned first, since the information (Te) found in regular mosques is sparse and unreliable, but I also think reading and understanding by yourself (making up your own interpretations) can be taken too far like protestants do. Both Ti and Te is needed but I think Ti truth should always come first. I was religous at adolecence but later I had to rediscover the religion and had to forget all the unreliable info I got while growing up and strictly compartmentalize the informantion that was true with proof and what was an opinion (even if it was the opinion of an esteemed person). The meaning of the word religion is basically ”order”, so rejecting organized religion is almost like rejecting all religion that isnt nihilistic or chaotic/anarcistic. Examples of that would be many of the occult and/or nihilistic religions like discordianism the ones that CSJ distanced himself from like Alister Crowley/satanism, or its cousin Discordianism. I think most people use the term ”organised religion” to refer to the major religions, but I tried to research that term and where it originates from and what it actually means, and that was my conclusion. But I dont agree with that if you believe in a major religion (like Islam) that one is automatically a blind follower, since if people use their intellects to find the truth then many will come to the same conclusion and that forms a religious community. Te trickster does have a hard time fitting in any social situation (including congregations), but it can also work the other way around, to stick ones own convictions even when society tells you to not be religious. I highly recommend reading Ibn Taymiyah and getting to know his line of thinking, one of the greatest of all time in these regards.

[@malakashraf2801]

Dude I have a hard time starting that , how did you start proper research ?

[@minusstage3]

Reflections at the Sea, as if Chase, does the Mark 4:14 🦉 wərd; Mark 4:9, 4:11, 4:13 Matthew 6:5, 6:6, 6:7, 6:8 ☸️☯️☸️

[@7ly_s]

As an INTJ I don't believe in any God actually I'm an atheist since 2 years ago

[@vincent.mazkett187]

I thought most xxTPs aren't religious, agnostic or atheists, especially in Western Countries.

[@hadessonofcronus1826]

Agree on the INTJ perspective, I don't believe in a god but I see its utility - even tho for me it doesn't work like that. I can't just believe in something because it gives me guidance. Atheism isn't nihilism btw, you rely a lot on axioms and conflate. I have a tendency for nihilism but my atheism didn't stem from that, it came from me wanting to be true to myself ... To really question why I believed in the things I believed in. One way I recommend INTJ'S to combat nihilism/se demon is socializing, friends and family. What's also useful is teachings of religion ... Not just a man in the sky but the lessons and practices. Buddhism's especially useful - also even just philosophy.

[@honor9lite1337]

As an INTP, I can mindfully say that God is fallible concept.

[@gaving7825]

I absolutely agree with you here

[@mattdignan8875]

Every INTP goes through a hardcore atheist phase at some point

[@rebeccahedberg6656]

I'm an INTP who fell away, but God left the 99 and chased me down. The natural and supernaturalness (if that is a word) of God exists and he reveals himself to everyone if you seek him, regardless of type. However, I think the more successful an individual may be plays a bigger factor on how receptive they are to God than MBTI type. Although there perhaps is some correlation.

[@sylviaowega3839]

As an INTP myself, I can say that God a a mere delusion and human construct, just like our belief in the existence of free will

[@hamidousy5460]

Intro is at the end and outro at the beginning. :3

[@CSJoseph]

Not anymore

[@hamidousy5460]

Oh ok. I’m ok with that tbh.

[@qasimimtiaz994]

Why xxSJs are common in organised religion?

[@CSJoseph]

affiliative + Si lends itself to it

[@treblestrings6263]

*XSXJ

[@snoopi718]

INTJ- Atheist

[@buddhalovechild]

Tick and tock goes the clock, what is real, what is not. (!no question mark)

[@SykeeNot]

Alllright chase 😂😹yeaaaaahhhhh buddddy😂😂😂

[@pinklasagna8328]

Was buddha an intj?

[@malakashraf2801]

He said yes

[@RunawayTV]

You don't know how smoke a cigar man....🤣

[@CSJoseph]

I smoke it the way I want to. I don’t care about doing it “the right way.” Screw the right way, I am doing it my way.

[@axledu2352]

INTJ Christian here. Orthodoxy is the ultimate system that makes the most sense. Christianity will never die unlike you assert because God is omnipotent and thus He would never allow his own Church to disappear. Christ is Risen! ☦️☦️☦️

[@SimaShangde]

I live in one of the most religious countries in the World. Being a part of catholic church is the default for almost entire population of the country. Recently it started to change though. What I can tell, that the religion has almost nothing to do with spirituality and divinity. It's rather a part of the culture, source of morality and the art of turning individuals into mindless herd with a sense of guilt. Through the history it used to be a military and political organization. It also used to had a monopoly on knowledge. Nowadays it’s an organization mostly of cultural, morality, political and financial importance and spirituality is substituted with empty rituals. Jesus is just a figure used by the church in their own twisted way. Even if he emerge into the world right now, he would be instantly considerate as a traitor to the church. Trying dive deeper into Christianity or other religions didn't bring a fruition. In contrary, the deeper I go the more I can see how religions emerged and evolved through the history, how sacred texts used to be selected (canonized) to fit the doctrine, how military and politics used to be the most important parts (yes, even Tibetan Buddhism was integrated into the government and Dalai Lamas were involved into governing army). I reject all religions as the source of the truth. I'm not part of any of them. But I'm not an atheist, I considerate myself as agnostic. I don't believe any particular god, deity or other transcendent being, they are just cultural representations (cult images) of religious concepts. But as long as we cannot prove or debunk the existence of the god, gods, the source of everything, or whatever would it be, I put them into a "probable" category. Maybe in a future we will be able to find the truth, now it's only based on believes and specific interpretations of facts or stories. INTJ

[@kataiwannhn]

If I see this correctly, it was actually never God's intention to be recognized by all people.

[@MSRscorpio]

The boss has spoken

[@PaulBrake]

Regardless of our "type", we can only turn to God when we are called. The Lord God, being outside of the limitations of time and space, before the very foundation of the world, knew who would receive him, and who would not. He then put those names in the Book of Life. If our names are Not in the Book of Life, there is No way that we can receive God. Look at Cain. God spoke to him, lip to ear, and he rejected the Lord. If your name is in that Book, then the Seed of God is in you, and when you hear the Revealed Word of God, that seed will spring to life in you. The life in the seed is the Spirit in the Word. The seed of God is Logos. The life of the Logos is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the literal life of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is Logos, the Word of God made flesh.

[@Scarecrow1410]

Religion is just a cope.

[@honor9lite1337]

Correct, arbitrary cope.

[@5pancerny200]

Yes, collective arbitrary cope

[@aladdout9454]

MANY THINGS ARE TRUE SIMULTANEOUSLY....YESSSS or nothing at all. It's a weird trickster. Organized religion is shit i agree 100%. I don't think it's a byproduct of the affiliative though.

[@azum7416]

It's the byproduct of the affliative SJ..but tell me why it's not

[@aladdout9454]

@@azum7416 it implies that affiliative means brainwashing and manipulating people. Shouldn't it be related to 'interest' ? I can see why SJ affiliative but he almost always uses affiliative as a reason for everything bad which is too one-sided.

[@duckbacon3117]

Who created God lol?

[@zile8869]

Let's say God doesnt exist. Then how did the universe come to exist? Based on the fact that everything in the universe is moving outward from a point, we can safely assume it all had to start at that point at some time or another. So what caused this to happen? What caused the big bang? A common answer is, 'It came from another universe', in which case this spawns the obvious question, 'where dis THAT universe come from?'. From here, you can take it in 2 different routes. The first being, it came from another universe which come from another, etc, etc. But at some point, you will have to reach a first cause, or 'God' universe which everything comes from, that's essentially goes back, an infinite number of time. The point here is, if you can believe in that, then what's the problem with believing in a God that has always existed? Its basically the same. The second option, is to say that whatever universe spawned this one into existence, must have always just existed. But logically speaking, that's not possible, because it would go against the law that 'energy/matter cannot be created or destroyed'. How so? Well if it existed forever, yet enough matter and energy where able to escape from it in order to create another whole universe, well then this could have happen an infinite amount of times within the infinite time that the starting universe has existed. At some point it would have run out of matter and would no longer be infinite. If that's the case, then how could it always have existed? The only way this is possible is if the laws of this starting 'God' universe were able to defy our own universal laws. Maybe this universe is truly infinite in quantity of matter/energy and space within it rather than time. Or maybe its infinite in both. Either way, according to our current understanding this shouldnt make sense since matter and energy not being created or destroyed implies a fixed universal amount of matter/energy. So this universe would have to be beyond the law our current universe follows. Which, again, if you can believe in that, then what's the problem in believing in an infinite God that's beyond the confines of our universe? Its basically the same general concept. There are some other options, but my point is an eternal infinite God is not as far fetched as atheists think.

[@Flamable1]

Religions say God is eternal, that God has always existed Science doesn't have a good explanation for the origin of the Universe. The big bang explains nothing, everything appearing out of nothing in an instant is a miracle

[@virginia4032]

@@Flamable1 Interestingly enough, the Big Bang Theory was founded by a Christian scientist.

[@Tzeren-Kal]

@@Flamable1 let's say that you're right, that science doesn't have any explanation for the beginning of the universe, let's even assume for the sake of an argument that science cannot learn what caused the universe, it still wouldn't mean that the universe was created by God, lack of evidence behind any other explanation or lack of knowledge or ideas doesn't mean that any explanation that 'fits' is the answer, that's a logical fallacy

[@Flamable1]

@@Tzeren-Kal Absolutely. I wasn't trying to make an argument for the existence of God, as much as i was just challenging the "scientism" which assumes science has understood reality enough to disprove God. The best arguments for God include the "fine tuning of the universe" arguement and for me, personal revelations and answered prayers which will almost never convince others, but others have similar experiences that convince them

[@shyGigi]

Like that you are finding multiple ways to de-stress and setting that example. Sweet location. Lol to critical thinking taking effort comment as you max and relax, but just situational humor...obvs you work too hard. Not bothered by the cigars as it's a good outlet, for a season. My and perhaps others "new age" comments come from your association with occult symbols. The comments do not come from you wisely seeking knowledge before it overcomes those you teach, which I appreciate when you do this. Like branding, you rep concepts and images and metaphors throughout your work including shamanism, magic, mysticism, Egyptian and eastern beliefs etc alongside the faith of your youth. There is actually not a fine line between strategic fantasy and fiction in contrast with clear patterns of belief systems with roots easily traced to their sources. I am sad for young NTPs and NTJs who are brilliant w systems whose parents do not or will not employ good exercises to develop strategy and ingenuity to wrap your minds around. The real battle between good and evil has plenty to keep your brains stimulated to the point of needing help and grace to do the work because it's heavy. Real life experience with these burdens does bring Se-eing, just as you say. I challenge you to develop the ideal system from your discoveries and not compare with other humans faults, sins and mistakes as a way of defaulting on the challenge. If Christianity is true, aside from human error, then who cares what others do with it when you have the power to teach and follow the Truth? The powers of hell cannot withstand Christ and His Church...it's a group of people devoted to God's holy way...not a building or institution or "religion" or "muh tradition". Those are excuses.

[@placidturmoil1197]

You can call it God complex but ultimately it is nothing but YOU, YOURSELF ONLY who is gonna direct and command your life NO ONE ELSE. It's YOU who gotta take responsibility for OWN ACTIONS, OWN LIVES in this world driven by OWN MIND ONLY can't blame any external force, Nothing will work unless YOU do. Slowly I became aware that really I'm my own lord, I'm my own master. Using of my energy healthy way is own my virtue god and using my energy unhealthy way is my own vice of devil. Both are inside me only. Everybody gotta find, understand balance out GOOD (GOD) and EVIL (DEVIL) or any two opposites like darkness and light, Alpha and Omega, Yin and Yang, feminine and masculine, orbital and axial balance within themselves first. Everyone is capable of both opposites. External belief/education systems are suppose to maintain those both in us. Use your both energies wisely.