Why do Mario Hub Worlds Suck Now?

[@josegeizzelez8611]

I don’t know how you come up with this ideas, you are such a genius for bringing this subjects up, good video man, I will always look forward to watch your content. I would like your channel to have more recognition, though, but you’ll get there, You deserve it! :)

[@InfiniteBits]

That is awesome to hear bro. Thank you!

[@katt-the-pig]

At the very least, the lack of hub world in Odyssey can be excused by the fact it's supposed to be an odyssey. You're travelling around the world. Generally people don't travel around the world by leaving the US and going to France then returning to the US to go to Spain then returning to the US to go to Germany.

[@htggytfytt1]

Haven’t watched the video yet, just wanted to say that this comment made me fuckin die at how funny the prospect of bouncing back and forth like that is

[@creeprnsidelink1918]

I agree, Odyssey having a hub world would of been kinda weird.

[@JimmySchlosser]

I felt like that most of the levels of Oddysey just felt like a quilt of a bunch of well constructed hub worlds, each of their own design.

[@megganwilliams6167]

Yes your right

[@OrangeToadGamer]

My favorite Hub Worlds definitely have to be Peach's Castle & Delfino Plaza, exploring them and finding all the secrets is really fun to me

[@InfiniteBits]

Those 2 were the best!

[@prestonthemetapod1484]

Why would you say your favorite hub world would be any other?

[@graybutsuperwhite7949]

Being able to see level locations at Sunshine’s plaza REALLY helps that immersion. Still remember seeing them when I was younger and knowing that I could play there soon, Pianta Park especially

[@InfiniteBits]

That's literally the best part of it!

[@Paradox-xm9zq]

IMO every level in Odyssey kind of feels like a hub world. Odyssey's Kingdom have far more in common with previous hub worlds than they do with the main levels

[@TheAlibabatree]

Maybe thats my problem with Odyssey

[@shibememes]

I personally love the planet thing from Galaxy 2. Since the game is very linear, the limited hub world just felt more natural to me. Also I always loved the atmosphere- the fantastic music and colorful backgrounds give it such a happy vibe.

[@josephthomas4434]

I like the analysis on how they become less prevalent in the newer titles. Great catch.

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you dude, glad you enjoyed

[@koops_7224]

Cool idea for a video! Super underrated channel right here!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you bro!

[@legoboy7107]

One thing that really confused me when Odyssey came out was how I heard people criticizing Galaxy 2 for nerfing the hub world so much and basically scrapping the idea (fair enough), but then heard those people praising Odyssey for doing the EXACT SAME THING on STEROIDS, calling the hub world "old and outdated" and stuff. Okay, so it's old and outdated when Odyssey comes out and "it's a good thing" Odyssey got rid of it, but with Galaxy 2 it's bad that it didn't really have one? Huh?

[@ernestjanzen6809]

Great analysis. I do miss the mystery and feeling of joy upon discovery that was in the hub world of 64. Still remember the feeling I had as a kid when I found a whole new world after hitting a ghost that was suspiciously larger than the rest. Such a sense of wonder. Keep up the great work! :D

[@InfiniteBits]

Yes exactly! And thank you bro!

[@Suzi.B_Doodles]

This is part of the reason why I miss the N64 Rareware games so much! As a kid, I loved exploring Donkey Kong's Island or seeing just how connected all the levels were in Gruntilda's Lair for Banjo Kazooie. I just bought the second Yooka-Laylee game so I'm hoping the hub world captures that magic again! This is an amazing video on the subject!!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you! and yes agreed, gruntilda's lair was a such a cool place! Oh then your going to love the hub world in Yooka-Laylee and the impossible lair, I literally liked that part more than the levels

[@kamiek1779]

heck, gruntilda's lair honestly beats all the mario hub worlds in my book

[@hallowizer440]

Odyssey definitely has a hub world; most kingdoms are hub worlds anyway. Finding checkpoints is your exploration of them, and the bonus areas are like the actual levels. The moons in the overworld are just castle secret stars.

[@nocontext400]

yes but no, bonus areas are bonus areas, the kingdoms are kingdoms, the kingdom it's self is one giant level, which tbf is actually much better than having a hub world cause odyssey is an open world game that you can just freely explore and basically just move on whenever you want

[@henreebee6561]

THANK YOU for bringing this up!! I’ve had this complaint ever since the original Galaxy came out (which I still love, by the way). To me, the hub world is what makes Mario games cohesive and more than just a collection of random levels (which is one of my few complaints about Odyssey). Plus, I liked seeing the change over time and opening of new areas in Peach’s castle and Delfino plaza. It really gave me a sense of progression and growth other than “here’s how many moons you’ve collected.” I REALLY hope they bring back a killer hub world in the next Mario game! Great video, as always!!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thats awesome, good to hear people think the same thing

[@AlmightyBruce]

Honestly, I don’t see “lack of hub worlds” to be necessarily a bad thing

[@Nerdyant64]

I think it might be because they see hub world is not needed, because they're not actaul levels, so they've been removing them or making them smaller to save time. Because they don't make a big difference in gameplay in a lot of newer mario games like oddysey.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

11:32 as a kid me and my cousin would play sm64 all the time and when watching the credits we always wondered where the second snow level was that appeared along with the other worlds in the credits and then years later when I stumbled across it in the mirror room my mind was blown. I get that they want to make things accessible now but that kinda kills some of that mystery of finding things out on your own.

[@InfiniteBits]

Yeah ik I liked all the secrets in the hub world but I get that they want everyone to see all the worlds

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

@@InfiniteBits Yeah I get that but hopefully we see a return of the hub worlds in a future installment.

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

Did you not pay attention to the level numbers on the "Star Select" screen?

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

@@wariolandgoldpiramid Yes I just didn't know where the world was because I didn't pay attention enough as a kid and didn't see the reflection of the painting in the mirror room.

[@ifrozemyselfinafridge3359]

Galaxy 1 has an amazing hub world, it's designed to fit it's themes, and honestly I love it way more than any other mario game hub world

[@rubenuribe]

I love the hub worlds. I played 64 and galaxy a lot as a kid and those hub worlds feel like real places to me. But I never played sunshine as a child. I played it a little bit on 3D All stars but I couldn’t get into it. Delfino plaza was confusing to me. I think as an adult i have less free time so I don’t spend enough (or any) time goofing off in the hub worlds anymore. I don’t find secrets and fall in love with the place like I did as a child. I wonder if kids attention has anything to do with streamlining hub worlds. 64, sunshine, and even galaxy 1 were released at a time when children had less things to spend their time on. You had game console, go outside, or play physical games with friends which cant always be done. Now game consoles compete for attention with computers, phones, the internet, etc..

[@fusionkamehameha]

Only over 9200 subs? That's so underrated it sounds criminal when I see how much effort you put in your videos. I love your videos. ❤ And it makes fun to listen to your voice.

[@RyanNerdyGamer]

Sidenote on Odyssey’s theme: It’s a race around the globe to prevent the Wedding From Bowser’s Kingdom (heh), so having a hub world doesn’t really fit the narrative. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@davidduncanjr.4876]

I watched this video earlier. And let me just say I had no idea how interested I would be in this topic. Odyssey was my first 3D Mario so I didn’t really know hub worlds until 3D all stars. Also I wanted to say I just got a wii. It was free from Facebook marketplace and I’ve been wanting a wii so badly because I’ve never had one and I got all these cool games with it. Now I can play some of the games from your ranking videos that I’ve never played beforez

[@InfiniteBits]

That's awesome, glad you still found it interesting. Yes, a good hub world really adds to the experience

[@dg_777player5]

I wish for Super Mario Odyssey 2 to not only have a hub world akin to Super Mario 64's but also to try to make each kingdom feel less like a hub of its own but rather a level. I love Super Mario Odyssey but I only want them to make 3 changes in a sequel: - more filled kingdoms; - bigger kingdoms; - hub worlds.

[@InfiniteBits]

That would be sweet if they did that

[@dg_777player5]

@@InfiniteBits I agree

[@TheQuiksilver101]

When Mario Odyssey was first announced, I honestly thought New Donk City was the hub world. I was disappointed

[@InfiniteBits]

That would be a cool idea

[@cheezybred7770]

You should do a top 10 3D World levels before the upcoming... + Bowser's Fury.

[@InfiniteBits]

I have something planned for the release of that game...

[@Mojojojo9001]

“Idk man this could’ve all been a coincidence and the next Mario game is gonna have a massive HD hub world bowsers fury: “I don’t follow your rules” *no hub world*

[@themostdislikedchannel]

This better blow up on the KZbin algorithm because this is great!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you dude

[@gabrielzeballos3574]

Your videos are so good man! You deserve more attention!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you dude

[@PedroKrebs]

Another amazing video, keep it up man

[@theepicjamez99]

Aye you know it's gonna be a good day when infinite bits uploads 😎

[@InfiniteBits]

Yeahhhhh! Thank you man

[@Gaminghj]

i feel like sunshine has always been a hub world in almost every level except the pipe ones

[@davidkonevky7372]

Delfino Plaza is THE hub world

[@GameDomain]

There used to be such great hub worlds like Peach's Castle, Delfino Plaza and the Observatory and then Nintendo really started to get tone it down a lot which is disappointing. Starship Mario was bland but at least it was something, and then since then the only "hub world" we've gotten is the Odyssey. Hoping Nintendo can go back to making some really unique hub worlds in the future.

[@InfiniteBits]

We'll have to wait and see for Odyssey 2...

[@harikohli541]

This is such a unique video man awesome job. Sad that my favorite Mario game, Mario Galaxy 1, hub world was criticized tho😂😂. Great vid tho

[@InfiniteBits]

Awesome man, glad you enjoyed!

[@nobudgetproductions9987]

The biggest reason that odyssey doesn’t need a hub world is because you don’t leave the level every time you find a moon.

[@نونيم-ي4ح]

Been playing Psychonauts 2 and im simply over the moon for its hub world it just reminded me how much i miss them, i hope nintendo heavily improves upon them in future mario games.

[@vectony]

Nice save at the end .haha !

[@InfiniteBits]

thanks!

[@bigborris1661]

We Need a Milk Store for a Mario hub

[@danielcurren2119]

For me, it's the lack of hidden secrets that's the biggest flaw: secrets reward players that really explore every inch of the hub with hidden levels and bonus content. I love finding secrets, especially those with no explanations or very cryptic hints. Grunty's lair, delfino, peach's castle, etc. are great at holding their cards so you find them on your own. I agree that more modern games are more linear and hand holding, so secrets are ether fewer or non existent. That's why breath of the wild is still so popular despite a lack of actual dungeons as there are secrets littered everywhere in every corner so you can have fun just wandering in the vastness of hyrule like it's an actual world

[@Extinguisher10]

Wow I never knew all that stuff about Mario 64. I'm gonna keep those in mind :)

[@TalonFL]

personally my favorite hub world ever is galaxy 2. love the content

[@martinochoa4322]

you should rank the best Mario party boards (if you want). Also I really liked your video.

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you man

[@Extinguisher10]

Damn, I think I'm gonna fire up my old Mario 64 game!

[@Sammio-Bros]

Mario Sunshine has the best hub world. So much to do, so many collectibles and secrets, and it doesn't get bored to run around in it just because of how expansive it is.

[@bigkmoviesandgames]

7:33-7:39.....gross But in all seriousness I love the hub worlds and they were noticeably downgraded and absent from the later titles but I'll always love the 64 and sunshine hubworlds.

[@InfiniteBits]

Yes! Those 2 were perfection

[@fredrick8691]

Great vid bro!

[@InfiniteBits]

Thanks for the comment as always man

[@fredrick8691]

@@InfiniteBits anytime my friend. I look forward to your vids. They are super chill and relaxing.

[@SKeLeTrust]

I feel like people make a bit too big of a deal out of hub worlds. Like yeah, you don’t have that fun of spaces to practice your movement but I don’t think things like Galaxy necessarily need a hub like that since the level design is more action-oriented anyway. Besides am I the only one who likes Starship Mario? Recruiting different members and watching the place become more lively I always found satisfying.

[@jamesdiez6685]

I love the idea behind this video! I’m excited to watch it.

[@InfiniteBits]

Thank you bro!

[@caelkins6478]

For Odyssey, I think even doing something like Galaxy 2 would have been fine. The Odyssey itself could have been bigger to let u run around and u chose a new world from the globe but then it still would have been a pointless hub so lol Or they could have pulled a Skyward Sword and let you freely roam the skies in the Odyssey to find cool mini levels in the sky, traveling to each world. And if you got closer to a landmass, a prompt could appear asking to land at the kingdom you're above so they could still contain each world as a "level"

[@Zoroark_Master]

Speaking of next main Mario 3D game (that isn’t a port) I see so many peoples screaming "odyssey 2" and I’m here with "galaxy 3" (but I’ll admit, galaxy 2 is in my top 3 Mario games, including 2D, 3D, sport, RPG and other spin-off)

[@legoboy7107]

I've actually still seen a TON of people wanting a Galaxy 3 recently, more than people I've seen wanting an Odyssey 2 even.

[@TheAlibabatree]

1. Galaxy 2/ World 2. Mario 3 3. Galaxy Those are the only Mario games anyone needs to play.

[@Zoroark_Master]

@@TheAlibabatree what?

[@traviscunningham7062]

@@TheAlibabatree YOU FORGOT ODYSSEY!😢

[@TheAlibabatree]

@@traviscunningham7062 Nope

[@spxgism]

We need to strive so he can(he obviously will) get 10k subs! I have some ideas for vids! Ranking Every Mario Sports Game (they types of sports can be separate or all in 1 vid) Ranking Every 2D Sonic Game Ranking Every Mario and Sonic at the Olympics Game Long Ones: Ranking Every Mario Party Minigame other than top 100 Ranking Every Mario Kart Nitro or Retro Track Hope one of these gets in the next video!

[@InfiniteBits]

Haha thanks man! I'll consider those suggestions

[@spxgism]

@@InfiniteBits Thanks

[@spxgism]

If anyone else can see this please respond. You see, im getting framed by this youtuber: kzbin.info/door/gX18aGD0LNihx0XSkYhUhAvideos And he made a fake vid saying I did things I didnt and I spammed proof I didnt do it and now im not sure if other people than the channel owners can see my comment. But I love your videos!

[@spxgism]

oh thanks

[@nobudgetproductions9987]

Delphino plaza is the best

[@fusionkamehameha]

When it comes to secrets in Super Mario 64 it took me literally 10 years to find the secret slide in Tall Tall Mountain. I always collected the star by jumping down the cliff into the open wall. But someday I jumped agianst the wall with the secret slide level just for fun and I was surprised as hell when I found it. 😱🤯😂

[@nocontext400]

why would you jump into a wall just for fun? this story sounds... slightly fake

[@Red-xg2ym]

Can you rank all final bowser fights?

[@srcsammy3054]

Great video, remember me when your famous :D

[@janusiers]

Bro...Thats not cool👎

[@InfiniteBits]

Of course! Thank you!

[@saidraalien6837]

ive been singin this song forever. hub worlds are so so so importnt to integrate a game like mario

[@melisastone231]

They should make Mario kart levels as explorable worlds

[@RM-kb1tl]

It seems like Bowser's fury kinda has a hub world so I hope that DLC is really good

[@thepenguinboi8679]

I feel like Bowser's Fury is open world like Breath of the wild. Everything is in one area,you don't go to different worlds and such

[@Nick-zj2bv]

Do you plan to get 120 shines?

[@InfiniteBits]

Nope, not with just the blue coins left

[@merbudd]

dang i didn't know you can record and upload footage at that quality in 1996

[@kittenscratchanimeart]

I personally think Paper Mario: The Origami King should've had a level map, considering it is an adventure game, and I prefer level based adventure games over open world ones. That simple change would've made the game way better, alongside a longer playtime and actual partners with abilities that you can use anywhere instead of escort missions.

[@windy3935]

Assuming you're familiar with the Sonic series, which Sonic Hub Worlds would you say beat SM64 and SMS? And which Sonic Hub World would you say is the best? Aldo a video idea: "Comparing the Sonic Hub Worlds". You gotta do this, unless you're not familiar with the series.

[@magicjohnson3121]

What’s the bet the next game will be open world. It will be like Sunshine where you can see all the levels but you have to actually travel there instead of going through a portal.

[@traviscunningham7062]

Kinda like Bowsers Fury and most recent LEGO games.

[@denischen8196]

What about Super Mario Bros. Wonder's hubworld, Petal Isles?

[@vojtechvojacek9638]

How many hours do you edit video? It looks so 😎

[@InfiniteBits]

Haha dunno exactly, a while tho. Maybe 30 hrs a video

[@ArthurGamer20101]

IMO, super paper mario is THE BEST hub world in all of mario games, except for SMG1, that one is very good

[@thepenguinboi8679]

The best hub world in gaming history is the hub world in Super Mario Party right?????? Right..

[@janusiers]

Yes ;)

[@InfiniteBits]

Of course!

[@mosquitocoochiebarb3248]

Shy guy👁👄👁👍

[@brett4795]

That’s a cool idea

[@InfiniteBits]

Thanks dude

[@brett4795]

No problem

[@shanefernando2604]

No doubt mario sunshine had the best hub world!!

[@ifrozemyselfinafridge3359]

Having a lot to do in a hub world would honestly take away from a game like Galaxy

[@jmschlosar]

Actually, the first hubworld was in smb3

[@w_w5315]

i wonder if this guy has a disc. server

[@Gaminghj]

yeah galaxy 2's is a far cry from galaxy 1's

[@paperfilmworld2520]

mario odyssey just kinda has abunch of hub worlds

[@traviscunningham7062]

Just like Sonic Unleashed.

[@ShahPir-ie2vt]

Well actually smb3 and world have hubworlds too.

[@vojtechvojacek9638]

👌👌👌

[@rangermansgaming7717]

9:03 or peach castle

[@theretroreviewer657]

The last reason was the best

[@JacksonWitsell]

#BringBackTheHub

[@GRIMTAIL]

I havent cared much for any Mario Game Since SMB3 NES, Super Mario World (1&2) & Mario RPG SNES. I beat Mario 64 100% but honestly i didnt like all that much it was annoying and really wasnt fun the only thing that was neat was the Hat with Wings on it for Mario to fly but thats about it. The 🪶 in SMB3 & SMW was the best inneration of mario flying all the others suck and look weird. I played Mario Galaxy 1 and beat it but i didnt like the game much either. Nintendo just makes shitty 3D Mario Games to me and their all a disappointment. the controls and features of the new games just suck to me they dont play or move smoothly at all. Im playing SM3D World Switch and its like all ground movement is like your running on ice the whole time and when im iumping and moving through the air its the same shitty control feeling from how the characters opporated from Super Mario Bros 2. They dont regulate the depth perception very well in this game amd the shadows dont line up clear when jumping at all and im literally flinging across the board and falling off the map all the time.

[@raziusx5933]

Whats streamlined in Odyssey? The entire gameplay (platforming) is drowned by the collectibles spamfest! Don't get me started about the crap 2D pixelated sequences that are the worst offenders to the gameyplay... Nintendo has no idea what it's doing!

[@The-rolling_man]

Super Mario 3 had the first hub world goofy

[@BeanerMoney]

thats not a hub world lmao

[@The-rolling_man]

@@BeanerMoney elaborate bro how is it not?

[@The-rolling_man]

@@BeanerMoney Noun. hub world (plural hub worlds) (video games) An area in a video game from which most or all of the game's levels are accessed.

[@BeanerMoney]

@@The-rolling_man that's a world map not a hub

[@The-rolling_man]

@@BeanerMoney 😂😂 what bro. Okay so super Mario world a game where you can move Mario and select levels where you can find secrets and mess with the world outside of levels is a hub world, but the exact same thing you can do in Mario 3 isn’t considered a hub world to you how does that make sense to you? It is the exact same thing

[@seanelmlinger1198]

Well as nindtneo does have there fiths there can ne a feel one an notherinther nth next title.

[@timmarks976]

Peaches' castle is really bad. Just like the whole game

[@traviscunningham7062]

Your just bad at the game.

[@timmarks976]

I am but my opinion doesn't change. I don't care how controversial it is but I am sticking to it@@traviscunningham7062