Why Do Mechanics Hate Engineers?

[@MindsEyeVisualGuitarMethods]

If you ask an engineer they'll tell you that they couldn't move it because of the diametric spheroid gears were in panspermetic boloid stators , that had to remain in perfect cross merek with the pre-lubricated turbo encabulators.

[@EvLSpectre]

But the turbo encabulator placement prevented side fumbling. That is what it really came down too

[@mondocjenson-dy8zd]

L😂L

[@user-rm9mq1dy6n]

It's because they're told to use the same parts for everything to drive down costs of unique parts

[@geraldfordman7474]

Oh. So that's it. Simple as that!

[@Slowwavesix]

Clearly it's because the pre-famulated emulated between the two sperving bearings

[@LaurenceHoneytoast]

You coat the sway bar with oil so it won’t rust 😂😂😂

[@RogueWrenching]

Exactly.

[@jamiedavis2588]

I was going to say yeah but the sway bar looks really good lol

[@Dennisa444]

Oil quality 🤷‍♂️

[@Billyscarstoolsandgoodstuff]

That’s funny

[@davidswanson5669]

If it’s a sway bar, why don’t you just sway it to the side?

[@ksavage681]

"Not my problem." -engineer.

[@RogueWrenching]

Basically

[@BillyLintzenich-wf7sk]

Sounds like my ex gf. She would always say "and that would be NOT my problem". Oh and she was a narc/raging alkie too.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Literally what engineers have said to me every time I mention my frustrations towards them. Preppy sons of bitches!

[@RothBeyondTheGrave]

​@@Mika-ph6ku hahaha!! Yup. I've actually seen them say it in comments of videos like this! They all need to be knocked off their high horse & reminded that 93% push the boundaries of mediocrity at best.

[@henrikholmberg777]

"We want to make the sway bar like this to avoid the oil plug." - engineer "But that costs more money." - boss

[@TheObserver3]

At least we get to see a nice example of laminar flow.

[@RogueWrenching]

Yes that

[@lusa3002]

Sciense!!!

[@CiscoWes]

I noticed that… pretty cool!

[@rushthezeppelin]

Lol that was my first thought. Smarter Everyday makes me find laminar flow everywhere now 😂

[@RogueWrenching]

@@rushthezeppelin Love that guy. I also appreciate a good laminar flow after his video.

[@jamesmchugo9422]

This is why every design team needs at least one mechanic on it. For stuff like this.

[@mjerome1457]

EXACTLY 👍🏾

[@cong-organic]

Every unique part costs money and may not be approved

[@brianb4501]

Lol yea us engineers should focus on the happiness of jiffy lube mechanics

[@johnathanpearson3203]

The Oil is lifetime sealed.

[@Dv0rak404]

​@@cong-organicyou can't expect wrench monkeys to understand how things work outside the workshop

[@tedecker3792]

Somewhere in the shop manual the fine print recommends removing the sway bar before an oil change. Or the warranty is void.

[@RogueWrenching]

It probably does which makes it even more dumb haha

[@Dennisa444]

Smart engineers

[@Billyscarstoolsandgoodstuff]

You are probably right

[@forester518]

Disconnect the negative battery cable, first....

[@nihonkokusai]

Brake cleaner and towel it

[@Getmadinc.]

It’s a crystler, that’s preventative maintenance lol

[@RogueWrenching]

"Lube the sway bar every oil change for maximum performance"

[@Lou_sassel315]

@@RogueWrenchingi think he meant they put it there to prevent maintenance 😂

[@1windozesuk]

Keeps the sway bar from rusting

[@MaintenanceMan00]

Did you really just say Crystler

[@francoisloriot2674]

no it's not a "crystler".

[@sarcasticguy4311]

About as bad as, "Oh, you want to change out a headlight? You're gonna have to remove the wheel for that."

[@e2dwf976]

That mechanic needs to stop crying that’s not that bad I see more worse.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

@@e2dwf976 The mechanic is getting paid, too. I'd probably have a pretty good time fixing stuff if I got paid regardless of complexity. When you do it yourself you get the satisfaction but it still takes way too much time. It should take less than five minutes to change a headlight.

[@helvacihelva]

I had to remove the whole front bumper and headlight unit just to change a bulb on my Renault Megane mk2. It takes 45 minutes.

[@sarcasticguy4311]

@@helvacihelva You aren't alone. I have a 2020 F-150 and have headlight upgrades I want to install but I don't have the patience to remove the wheels and wheel-well covers in order to do so. Needless to say, I was very unhappy when I couldn't figure out how to get to the headlights, as I've never owned a car that was this difficult to change, and I watched a KZbin video and they were removing wheels to get to the headlights. IT'S A PICKUP TRUCK. You can't tell me that's the best way to do this, Ford?

[@overlander6117]

Don’t blame the engineer, he just remembered later that car needs a sway bar 😂

[@iamhereblossom1588]

Or requirements from the higher ups changed at the last minute and this was his petty revenge.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

@@iamhereblossom1588nah what we are actually dealing with is teams of engineers that design this shit separately and hardly communicate when it's time to put it all together into a complete vehicle. The chassis was designed separately and the engine was just put in it.

[@RogueWrenching]

Lol

[@JavynAndBaloo]

​@@Mika-ph6kumost likely this

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@Mika-ph6ku EXACTLY I have worked for an engineering firm (petrochem) and I can vouch for that exact explanation 100%

[@mr.lumbergh]

As an engineer, I hate this too. Blame the bean counters that force so many damned compromises.

[@rogeronslow1498]

That's true. The bean counters mess up absolutely everything.

[@deathtdow]

They also force planned obsolescence and designing so it can't be easily repaired...

[@Lance-b2l]

You’re your last line of defense

[@robtankbuster5215]

My dad was an engineer for Buick years ago. Engineers know how to design it but the bean counters pencil pushers will come in behind the design and make money saving changes.

[@noahthenormal]

How would moving the hole 1/2" raise the costs? This is just more perpetual finger pointing and lack of accountability. The bean counters will point to management who will point to the board, who will point to stockholders

[@jeffreygoss8109]

I’m almost shocked there is a drain. I didn’t know Chrysler products lasted longer enough to change the fluids.

[@RogueWrenching]

Haha pretty much.

[@brendan2599]

LOL oil is a Lifetime fluid in a Chrysler. 😂

[@hakenkreuz7076]

Like their sealed transmissions.

[@lucidrebuilds6129]

Don't forget their junk front ends

[@jeffreygoss8109]

@@lucidrebuilds6129 you mean the castrated ball joints? Lol. Good enough to get you off the lot.

[@ronkey4796]

I'm mechanic and I always say, ""An engineer designed that in his two weeks notice""!!!!!!!!

[@jeremys6631]

They put the sway bar there just in case the oil pan bolt comes loose😂

[@Billyscarstoolsandgoodstuff]

Now that’s funny 😄

[@elliotkane4443]

Drain plug

[@shlomogoldenstein344]

Maybe its magnetic and can catch the drain plug

[@mattjingles5758]

Butt plug ​@@elliotkane4443

[@amateurtouring]

Move the drain plug instead of a major suspension component. At this point the mechanics complaining are as dumb as the engineers/ project managers

[@tanyaerskine7657]

As a bus mechanic, I fully approve this message.

[@RogueWrenching]

Haha thanks!

[@tanyaerskine7657]

@@RogueWrenching yeah lol if you want to evoke wailing and gnashing of teeth for me and my coworkers, all you have to say is "Gillig". Their engineers all need a high five....in the face....with a folding chair...

[@RogueWrenching]

@claymore32 sorry, I've removed your comment. This is a family friendly platform, no profanity.

[@lamontjohnson1101]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@JamesPorter87]

Especially if you work on Wright Streetlites

[@Oddman1980]

This isn't a engineer issue, this is project manager issue. When the people designing the chassis don't ever communicate with the people who designed the engine, this happens.

[@RogueWrenching]

Fair enough

[@woodrmp1]

That or engineers brought up the issue and management didn’t want to spend any money to fix it

[@madscientistlife]

That engine was designed by Mercedes-Benz in the 1990s. Mopar has been building cheaper versions of almost the same engine (minus the expensive parts and exotic metals that made it reliable) and then plopping it it nearly everything to save money on design. So there is almost no consideration for how or if even things will work well together. Nope. Just cheapest options, parts bins and then everything else is an afterthought revised only if something will result in mass deaths or mass lawsuits. Otherwise they produce it and ship it.

[@UpUpDnDnLtRtLtRtBAStart]

@@madscientistlifethanks for the explanation

[@jlambe19]

Higher level execs do not care if their car is serviceable or repairable. Once, they get the money from the dealership, they wash their hands.

[@Gump327]

The sway bar is the only thing on that truck that won't rust

[@kalebbruwer]

90% chance that this came down to 2 different teams that didn't communicate properly

[@RogueWrenching]

Yep

[@epistte]

Exactly, power-train and chassis teams. It was missed during the development phase because nobody asked the question.

[@francom6230]

That's part of it, but mostly cuz the use off the shelf components saves shit tons of money & part numbers & tons of complexities.. That's why.. ​@@epistte

[@BabyGators]

Yep. Honestly it’s a miracle that things as complex as cars, boats, and planes can be repetitively manufactured. I hardly even get mad about stuff like this anymore.

[@martinliehs2513]

​@francom6230 these days, that V-8 engine and its oil pan is probably exclusive to the Ram pick-up, unlike 40 tears ago, when engines were shared across a much wider range of cars and trucks.

[@grindelwald8651]

Explanation: The engine and oil pan were designed for another car and were already in mass production before this car was developed. The stabilisator was necessary this way or for the same reason was already produced earlier before in another car. People think it's one or a few engineers but there are a lot of them. High chances engineer who designed the oilpan and engineer who decided the position of the stabilisator didnt ever see each other. In reality as an engineer you are rarely able to decide anything by your own mind. The very most times there is just one solution left with the least-bad downside.

[@chrismehl1607]

They used to change the oil pan for different applications. It's just being cheap.

[@Iamimgainary_sqrt-1_i]

@@chrismehl1607 creating more variants of a part that allready exists makes everything more complicated and raises the cost. And the person buying pays for that and most people dont care about how the oil changing proces works out for the mechanic. People care about HP and amount of cupholders. They dont give a shit about the mechanic.

[@cameronjenkins6748]

Engineer here: I think this is caused by overworked engineers on separate teams designing things and not being able (or allowed) to see the whole assembly and how things work together. As a result, they just put things where they make sense. It's not the engineers who are at fault, it's the executives.

[@RogueWrenching]

I don't disagree.

[@samesamel]

NO, they just don t care

[@cameronjenkins6748]

@@samesamel Soooo, you're basically saying that I don't know what engineers like me go through when it comes to designing things.

[@dodgeking9194]

Obviously without Engineers there be no products Engineers of the backbone of everything we have they just don't seem to work together coherently as a team anymore like they used to

[@pkal244]

This is the answer. For something with 3000+ individual parts that requires very different domain knowledge and expertise, youre going to have different teams to do different things. It's up to the leaders that oversee all teams to ensure things work coherently.

[@chrisjfox8715]

Did you try turning it off and back on again?

[@joeblow3939]

Plug should have been straight down. Chrysler : oh well🤪

[@RogueWrenching]

Where is the fun in that?

[@bobadingo]

Yep if they'd have been thinking!! you got to remember those are kids sitting behind computers designing that garbage.. .

[@Billyscarstoolsandgoodstuff]

@@bobadingo exactly my point exactly

[@dposcuro]

@@bobadingo To be honest? I think this is probably more of a case of bean counters. "Just use the same oil pan. It costs to much to make a new one."

[@JsliceQB1026]

No it's Stellantis Naamloze Venootschap.🤣 the new conglomerate that now owns Chrysler, Dodge,Jeep,Ram,Fiat, Maserati, Alfa Romeo,Lancia, Peugeot,Citroen,DS,opel,peugeot,and vauxhall.

[@SwapPartLLC]

That one spot will never rust.

[@RogueWrenching]

Facts.

[@kelumo7981]

not true mechanic,revisit you chemistry lessons😅oil especially the one that has been exposed to high temperatures cannot prevent rust...on the contrary it promotes it😂

[@pbe6965]

@@kelumo7981 I've never heard of that but I'm not a mechanic so that might be true, but shouldn't the engine's insides be more rusted than the outside ? Even on cast iron blocks, that wasn't the case, and there are still lots of steel components on modern engines exposed to that oil that don't rust either unless the engine sat a long time with water in it, so I'm a bit doubtful. But I'd love to be proven wrong, I like learning new things whenever I can.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

It's coated. Oil will not penetrate it, but moisture will.

[@kelumo7981]

@@pbe6965 Remember that corrosion is a wide topic and there are various forms of "corrosions", I presume we are talking here about galvanic corrosion the rate of onset and progression requires moisture and elevated temperatures. The inside of the engine block sees very high temperatures an occasional moisture ingress and with very high pressures inside, is a breading ground for corrosion, not while the engine is being used though, maybe after the car has been left unused for a while..the reason we said oil can also promote corrosion is that very old oil tend to break down and the metal particulates promotes ion "movement" and thats what corrosion is from a bird's eyeview. Corrosion is a complicated topic that encompasses physics/chemistry and engineering sciences, I recall attending a month long training as a young trainee mechanical engineer in my first company about 24yrs ago, there was so much content and were told theres still a huge chunk we didnt cover

[@trailingrails9953]

Engineer: this vehicle has a waterfall, charge an extra $5K for it.

[@RogueWrenching]

This.

[@UncleMarcFudge]

You can call it a waterfall because the head gasket allows coolant to flow into the oil. 🙈

[@dratonbalat3423]

This is the marketing guy who wants the car designed in 3 months instead of 3 years. That's where he gets the oil plug😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@fordmud]

Hey, Ford did the same damn thing except they thought that little tiny drain plug didn't make a big enough splash when it hit the sway bar so they went ahead and put a 1" plastic quick release drain plug. Someone needs to seriously kick the engineers square in the sack for this kind shit.

[@RogueWrenching]

They all do it.

[@The0utmode]

And it takes 9 qts of oil?!?! When back in the day a V8 like the small block Chevrolet took 5 but. "nEw cARs aRe sO mUcH mORe EffiCieNT" Modern cars are trash!

[@joshcoe4319]

Yep, neighbour asked if I could change his oil really quick. I knew about the plastic oil pans and plugs but I really wasn't expecting it. And yeah, oil splashed all over the sway bar, and me.

[@jankington216]

Subaru 2 liter, it's a deluge and it does an ollie off the drain pan

[@DerekSouthland-rv1ze]

They do these things intentionally. There's no other possible explanation

[@followerofyeshua7307]

I have been a diesel technician for 21 years. You could not pay me to own an American made vehicle.

[@RogueWrenching]

I've been a diesel tech for about 8 years, I own 3 American made vehicles. 2 of those are diesel.

[@rafmatt1607]

​@@RogueWrenching I buy American. I buy Honda 💪

[@ubisucks]

@@rafmatt1607I hope you’re joking Honda is Japanese engineering

[@RogueWrenching]

@@rafmatt1607 I see.

[@diegoaespitia]

uhh buddy, u must not work on enough vehicles to see foreign companies also make clown designs. check the XJ750 with its brake reservoir behind the headlight

[@dosh8276]

I wish we could go back to the 80s and 90s when cars were made to be maintained and repaired.

[@RogueWrenching]

Same. I do like OBDII.

[@berlinkozyreva]

No they weren't. In 80s GM started to make cars like crap for faster turn over and better profits . Great idea only problem everyone started buying Japanese.

[@dosh8276]

@@berlinkozyreva I know that there were shitboxes made in all eras. But in the 80s/90s, they were far less common than today. Nowadays, we're surrounded with shitboxes. At least, that's my opinion.

[@vadim6385]

​@@dosh8276 there were enough shitboxes back then. You just don't know about them, because most of them either rusted away or became railings for a stadium in China.

[@dosh8276]

@@vadim6385 Honestly I'd prefere that over sending a modern car to the garage and pay them a price way too high to look for something that is not even a real issue. Before, you could do the basic maintenance yourself at home with some basic knowledge about cars and basic tooling. But nowadays, cars are needlessly complex that even people with basic knowledge about cars can't maintain their cars because they need specific tools only found in a garage, and often, only the manufacturer garage has it. Even if it'll rust way easier, an old car will never give you up if you take care of it, because they were built to last and to be repaired. Even if you take care of a modern car, it's gonna give you up after not even 10 years or 400k kilometers, because they have flaws that were purposely put in them from factory.

[@veenusz]

Because manufacturer wanted the mechanic to enjoy the laminar flow view😅

[@168charger]

Always remember this. Don't confuse "education" with "intelligence." You can be an automotive engineer and still be an idiot!

[@RogueWrenching]

Agreed.

[@Asto508]

I'm fairly sure there was a "good" reason for this. It's very likely this was a post-design decision and couldn't be changed easily, e.g. custom oil pan or complete overhaul, which both may be way more expensive than the minor inconvenience when servicing. Not trying to defend this, but it's rarely just a single engineer creating such mess. They are usually very aware of the problem but are not allowed to fix it.

[@karoltakisobie6638]

"Wisdom " is also entirely different concept than two you mentioned.

[@MrTwers]

That engine probably isn't used in this car alone. It's a way too simple to say, just make a little change. If you know anything about engineering, you would know it isn't simple at all.

[@Epilon]

The problem is that the guy designing the sway bar and suspension probably never talked to the guy working on the tank and cooling. Different systems, so likely different orgs. No one was likely thinking of the system design and by the time things came together, and people stareted complaining, it was probably deemed too expensive to fix.

[@RogueWrenching]

You're probably correct, but it seems like having someone as a liason between groups could have avoided this b

[@matthewaaa5138]

@@RogueWrenchingeasier to just stamp it out, they keep them on a hectic schedule

[@iamtruth6056]

Did an oil change on a range rover that had the oil filter in TOP of the engine, beneath the plenum. Yeah.....

[@Epilon]

@@RogueWrenching it's a bit easier said than done. Systems Engineering is a tough job, cause you need someone who knows how things need to come together to a degree. However, it's unlikely that people who are qualified would get hired, cause they probably will ask far more than management would want to pay. Then there is also the fun that is the workplace politics that happen when different departments have to work together. Large companies get disfunctional in the strangest ways, and it shows in shit like this.

[@alexandergunaka666]

⁠​⁠@@iamtruth6056Yeah… That’s part of the intake… You don’t even have to take it off. Buy the filter cup put an extension on while you’re sucking the fluid through the tube under the oil cap. Nice and easy and no mess.

[@bishop51807]

Engineers dont hate mechanics, auto execs do.

[@Rambleon444]

Auto execs. are the puppets to government regulations. Half the crap on engines is demanded by the people we vote for. So ironically the things we hate started with us.

[@0leg0101]

Oil + metal = longevity

[@YAWSSSSSS]

The entire chassis of that Ram would be rusted in the Midwest, except for that little swaybar 😂

[@Mr.Torres-Mr.Towers]

As an engineer the design is flawless and intentional. Do what you want with this information lmao 😂

[@RogueWrenching]

Lol 😆 🤣

[@nottelling4828]

Coincidentally, Chrysler will roll out an oil-drain tool specific to this vehicle. It will be overpriced and unnecessary, but still...

[@mikemitchell9753]

Been asking these questions for 50 years. When did we start making cars? Like around the 1890s...about 130 years of history...engineering still can't get it right. Manufacturers put out products and expect the technicians to just deal, improvise, adapt, and overcome. SMH

[@daveunderwoodjr682]

@@mikemitchell9753did you just hit us with a bear gryls line?!?! Fuckkkk yeah 😂

[@johnericsonthecorvettekid1856]

Just wait until you get to the oil filter. That placement is even worse!

[@RogueWrenching]

Yes it is.

[@CP-mb7ly]

​@@RogueWrenchingwhat, the slanted diesel cap? The over the cv axle gas one? At least 3.6 L take a cartridge at the top but you still need a swivel and 24mm to get to it.

[@beavergunsnroses3258]

The exhaust on my silverado tops that. Genius

[@RogueWrenching]

Indeed

[@leee3880]

I’m intrigued, please explain. :)

[@calmclimb]

Very true

[@VTV-w1v]

Engineer : That's not my cup of tea

[@Webedunn]

1990’s Toyotas run forever but who puts an oil filter upside down?😂

[@RogueWrenching]

Yes. Haha

[@JaredAF]

ok this is the first "engineer vs mechanic" vid I've seen that actually made me wonder what they were actually thinking with this one

[@RogueWrenching]

Yeah. I'm not even sure on this one.

[@strjourneys7919]

Whats the issue? The oil change was done just as simple as any other car. These guys acting like it's the end of the work to get the BOTTOM OF A CAR!!! messy 🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Aagggyy]

What's the issue?! Rewatch the video.​@@strjourneys7919

[@jdmjesus6103]

Try working on something from VW Audi group. Then you'll know.

[@RogueWrenching]

@jdmjesus6103 I have and that's why I *hate* working on euro cars.

[@georgejohnson807]

Holding a funnel would help too

[@RogueWrenching]

There wasn't room between the sway bar and the pan.

[@Skipdogg15]

Or...and I mean this is a crazy idea, maybe just point the oil drain plug straight down and away from everything. Crazy idea, I know. But maybe we could try it in situations like this and see if there are any negative effects other than oil draining faster, more oil being removed and not making a complete oil spill every time you change it.

[@Smedley1947]

Putting a funnel there might be impossible also because you have to actually turn the plug with your fingers which you won't be able to do if you have the funnel right up next to the bunghole unless you have tiny tiny little hands like a little kid. yeah there's an idea, I can pay my neighbor's kid a couple of bucks to weasel his little hand answer the funnel and turn the plug.

[@Muskyfishn84]

@@RogueWrenchinguse a formable funnel and it solves your problem. 2019 ram owner who changes his own oil…

[@Gr8Incarnate]

Shouldn't have to regardless.

[@tobias6115]

Same on an Audi A3 Cabrio from 2008. There is an aluminum bar directly in front of the screw.

[@WarThnderMudnen76]

Shouldn't the question be why do engineers apparently hate mechanics the way they put these things together?

[@Schrimpieman]

Because engineers mentality is build it one time on CAD software with their baby-soft hands, while mechanics keep it alive with lacerations, dirty fingernails, & callous palms.

[@MichaelEllis-i7v]

Engineers wife slept with a mechanic a long time ago. Now we all have to suffer

[@RogueWrenching]

Yea

[@bobbrinkerhoff3592]

​@@Schrimpiemanthe engineers aren't smart enough for CAD , they're still using an Etch - A - Sketch .

[@iloveg25]

Plot twist: car companies hate mechanics, because they keep used vehicles on the road, rather than help sell new vehicles

[@prismgames]

Look at that laminar flow though, so beautiful

[@theSword-]

I will never own another late model Chrysler or Jeep product again in my life.

[@RogueWrenching]

Smart plan.

[@jmiodus9610]

We said the same thing over 20 years ago. 14 people in our family now only drive Toyota, Nissan and Honda. No issues, less money and time spent at a mechanic and easy to resell, to buy a newer one. You get what you pay for.

[@theSword-]

@@jmiodus9610 ...Right. I have a Honda and GM cars.

[@JohnD-JohnD]

Is that the stock sway bar? And is it in the stock location? That bar looks new, and the sticker looked like it had never seen dirty engine oil before.

[@pauljanssen7594]

That's why I always keep a piece of cardboard from a part that I had come in.

[@RogueWrenching]

Not a bad plan.

[@salsavillo9146]

Looks like it's time for the ol Fumoto drain valve. And don't worry it won't leak

[@raylongbottom7727]

Number one mod for any vehicle

[@RogueWrenching]

I've taken so many of those out it's not even funny.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Been wrenching on generators to eat since 98, like 90% of em have a fumoto and they work fine.

[@midas7934]

Was going to say the same, they got em with a snap on hose barb now too

[@malachidrew8291]

I wonder if the sway bar is still in the way when the truck's on the ground. May have forgotten to account for that in the design

[@RogueWrenching]

It is less in the way but the oil stream would still hit it.

[@garyszewc3339]

​@@RogueWrenching mine doesn't.

[@terribrad24]

In the engineers defense (or not), my guess is that Chrysler, like so many other carmakers, have a standard procedure of sucking out the oil from top, and the drain is just still there because there is a legal obligation. If though, Chryslers oil change manual for Chrysler workshops does not state to suck out the oil, then it's really dumb.

[@timothy288]

Solve the problem and capitalize for your benefit. Build a plastic slide funnel that clips to the sway bar and get rich. You’re welcome.

[@RogueWrenching]

Thanks?

[@KyleRepinski]

Yeah, if you're making a mess every time you're doing it wrong.

[@1witness158]

It’s the other way around. Mechanics don’t hate engineers, engineers hate mechanics

[@RogueWrenching]

I'm sure.

[@bobm9509]

I'm just a guy with tools and i hate engineers.

[@FixIt1975]

No, we hate engineers. Especially when I have to take half the car apart to remove 3 bolts to get to a component

[@kallekas8551]

Don’t blame us engineers, blame the accountants!😂

[@richardfabacher3705]

@@kallekas8551 No! Often doing it the simple way would have cost less. Normal people: KISS (Keep it simple, stupid. Engineer: It needs more features. Example: Connector on speedometer wires under Plymouth Voyager. Bottom of connector had TWO rubber seals to seal the plug. But upstream, there was no sealing. So water ran freely down the two wires (Gravity? What's gravity?) into the plug where the engineer thoughtfully double sealed the water inside, shorting it out. Drive on wet streets, lose speedometer. 💡

[@krustostoianov9792]

I am an engineer and a mechanic, it is so funny because everytime I swear the engineers while repairing. Also when doing my engineering job I know someone will hate me but I cant do anything because of specifications I need to follow and can not change them.

[@RogueWrenching]

I suppose in many cases, but in this case it's just dumb.

[@jonsmith828]

Agreed. Engineers just build, they don’t design. That falls on the project managers who lead the design conversations. I’m both a DIY mechanic and a project manager and I cuss at both when working on my cars 😂

[@JavynAndBaloo]

​@@jonsmith828enlighten me since i dont do anything but cuss when watching yt vids and work on my car lol

[@mattcintron6372]

It makes it even better when the same manufacturer already has a truck from 1999 where there drain plug is straight down

[@BlaccBoii]

engineer: “the sway bar positioned in this position for act as a damper.”

[@RogueWrenching]

Yup

[@roberteltze4850]

I would think it's easier to move the drain plug than to move the sway bar.

[@jablon1500]

It will make too much sense.

[@sbc_jake_9677]

Engineer be like "stupid mechanic, you're supposed to unbolt the sway bar brackets and hinge it down" 😂

[@RogueWrenching]

Lol

[@gangatalishis]

It was to show off that effect every-time you drain the oil, a marvel of engineering and physics.

[@denyscpoyner]

I'm familiar with Chrysler engineering. Had a 96 Grand Cherokee with the V-8 , oil filter is directly above the starter ! 🤔 So unless you shield the starter you end up with a giant mess ! I would cuss every time I had to do an oil/ filter change. 🤬

[@RogueWrenching]

Gotta love it.

[@jmiodus9610]

Don't cuss... stop buying their junk. Do you think Toyota, Nissan or Honda would engineer embarrassing crap like this!!! You get what you pay for.

[@isaac198428]

When you get a crazy oil change bill from the dealership and ask why it’s so high: *”We had to remove the sway bar to access the drain plug! It’s the manufacturer recommended method to service your vehicle & we charge by the hour so…🤷‍♂️”*

[@RogueWrenching]

This is what half the people here don't understand.

[@aaroniousairlines9087]

"We had to disconnect the negative battery cable too."

[@muhammadhaziqfaiz8857]

"Not every engineer can be a mechanic, but a mechanic can definitely be an engineer."

[@MrTwers]

As an engineer who's been a mechanic for years I can say you're absolutely wrong. If you know anything about the complexity of a car factory and all the processes involved you would know it isn't simple at all. That engine isn't in this car alone. It's cost a lot of money to change the oil pan. The pan it self isn't the big cost, the planning, the stock etc etc that's the problem. Especially for this minor inconvenience.

[@GreenNugz4]

This comment has to be satire. 😂😂

[@muhammadhaziqfaiz8857]

@@GreenNugz4 yes it is 🤣

[@muhammadhaziqfaiz8857]

@@MrTwers it's a satire lol

[@PM-vb4od]

Because it creates a lovely waterfall feature

[@ledbased1589]

It would be out of the way if it wasn't up on a 2post lift. If you did the job on a 4post or on the ground the sway bar would have been rotated back towards the crossmember because the suspension wouldn't be drooped.

[@RogueWrenching]

Yep. I'll just ground pound this oil change I'm already losing money on.

[@ledbased1589]

@RogueWrenching you don't have to do anything. But you cried like you didn't understand so I just answered your question. It's not naturally in the way, you put it in the way. Couldve had the oil changed in the time it took you to make and upload the video. Must not be too worried about money afterall.

[@RogueWrenching]

@ledbased1589 Actually this video is my highest viewed video of all time and has paid me back 10x what I was paid to do the oil change originally.

[@Kamala_Harris_2024_official]

Oil looks surprisingly clean

[@RogueWrenching]

It's actually not.

[@djfurman100]

Actually it's engineers in general they come up with stupid designs or stupid things just to pissed off mechanics

[@RogueWrenching]

Exactly.

[@justindurand9110]

They're so smart they don't need common sense.

[@caseymurray7722]

Not really. Engineers will make good products they just get screwed by management. Moving that bolt a half an inch means a change to the assembly line and a different part instead of shared components. This happens all the time and engineers at a large company don't actually get to make those decisions, accounting does

[@Epilon]

​@@caseymurray7722exactly. The majority of bad designs can be more blamed on the bean counters than the engineers themselves. There is a hidden beurocracy that affects almost every design decision in large companies. Oftentimes engineers have to fight management for better products, but most people get burnt out trying to do shit that they dont get paid for. Management also tends to lay off the experienced staff (especially those who are vocal) and hire new people (oftentimes from offshore) with little to no clue what they are doing.

[@djfurman100]

I've been a automotive mechanic from 2017 until 2022 In that time period I've worked on cars where engineers thought it was a good idea to do this or do that but end up making our job 10 times more harder because they should put here instead there

[@rosslarkin6742]

That is some clean oil. Looks very fresh. Hiw many miles were driven with that oil?

[@ChaohsiangChen]

It seems that 90% of the videos showing bad automobile designs from mechanics' perspective on KZbin are about American cars.

[@singleproppilot]

Yes, it’s an American car thing. I won’t buy an American car. They are terrible.

[@zerrodefex]

Hyundai does some really stupid stuff too, like the O2 sensor on top of the exhaust pipe and no room to get a wrench in so you need to drop the exhaust first.

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

That's because KZbin is full of Americans, and we buy our own cars.

[@Jvargier0]

The difference between an engineer and a mechanic, the engineers makes the stupid shit the mechanics have to work with the stupid shit

[@justcallmejeff4310]

Bruh I'm an engineer, we try and make shit work but if it's 17 cents cheaper to manufacture corporate don't care.

[@muzikizfun]

If engineers were good, then we wouldn't need as many mechanics!

[@Buzzhumma]

It actually turns out to be a good design because no matter how fast that oil is flowing. It always comes down into the bucket at the same spot. Where is the normal way? As the flow rate slows? It can easily go 300 mm difference and all over the floor if you're not careful

[@shanerorko8076]

It's because the drivetrain is manufactured in a totally different place to the chassis, and then the model engineers have to use what they are given. They might've asked if they can get a oil pan revision, but were likely denied due to cost. Many cars do this now on various different components of suspension, the workshop fix is to use flexi funnels to direct the oil.

[@aravindakumar1549]

A small simple funnel made with sheet metal would prevent the oil draining onto the sway bar and direct oil directly into a bin. Hope this helps.

[@ApoloKabali]

As some who has done both, the most important thing here is access to the bolt. The easiest thing to do on a vehicle is clean the oil mess.

[@johnsteinmetz4000]

My 2002 nissan pathfinder has little deflection plates where drain plugs would result oil draining onto other parts. So simple and cheap but also helpful.

[@robertdillon9989]

They just didn’t give a shit

[@the_atomic_punk487]

Why not put the plug on the bottom, between the sway bar and the cross support?

[@stevenblossey8946]

At least the sway bar wont rust like the rest of the truck !

[@gbeving3167]

My favorite part is that the older ones on the same platform had the swaybar in the front

[@wes2393]

I was too mesmerized by the laminar flow to notice the complaint😂

[@kevincrossland1898]

Working on my F-150, doing a transmission oil change. Dipstick is underneath the truck mere inches from the catalytic converter, and has to be checked while hot

[@selvarajsubrammanian9242]

That's the beauty of going for no 1 spot in sales.

[@gritty455]

Well part of an oil change is seeing if the oil is metallic and anything that blocks it to see the flow kinda helps

[@TheOneOnthisrock]

Looks like the sway bar was an afterthought from the engineers😂😂

[@AMJ.7]

The design is very humane 😂😂😂

[@JohnMcClain-p9t]

As a lifelong mechanic I completely agree.

[@briand9754]

1/2” change for sway bar might mess up suspension characteristics. But moving the drain bolt 1” would be very easy!

[@benreid7567]

Because it allows you to see all the sparkly bits that used to be you roller tappet and camshaft, cheaper and quicker than sending an oil sample. Very smart design.

[@darrininverarity4297]

The best dodge error is on a charger/challenger when you have to change the rear upper control arms you have to lower the whole sub frame in order to get the factory 2 bolts out.

[@TENNSUMITSUMA]

Engineers: because *F==K Y'ALL!* 🤡‼️ Feel me⁉️ 😇

[@TinMan-kd2gv]

As an engineer, I love this water fall style … simply genius 😂😂😂. You said it yourself “favorite thing” 😂

[@ArthurKiyanovski]

They could also move the hole in the oil pan a bit, which is way easier design-wise

[@danrichards496]

You should see where the filter is on my ‘99 ranger 3.0 and 2014 mustang gt. The ranger actually had a funnel mounted to catch the oil which was just seriously in the way so I removed it over 15 years ago.

[@user-xn7dw7zg5u]

Swaybar is actually in a good location for the upgraded plastic oil pan that's coming on the next gen that needs to be replaced every oil change.

[@josephsiragusa]

You can also just move the hole too. If they don't want to move the whole bar, just drill the hole slightly lower.

[@sarbull]

it's there so that u can see the oil color and contents when it gets out :)

[@jamiemedernach6576]

If you put one of those rams on a drive-on hoist the sway bar isn't in the way, they probably didn't account for the sway bar moving a bit when you lift it up on a 2 post hoist

[@uninspired3583]

That laminar flow was pretty sweet though.

[@eIDyablo666]

what about that oil pump inside a plastic comparment filled with oil in a ford truck? i cant recall the model, but the oil pump has a belt inside the oil tank...

[@dubberkm7842]

Reminds me of my Exmark zero turn mower. The spark plugs are aimed directly at the ROPS. Move the engine a little forward or back, there you go!

[@rcolombo4094]

It is an oil change indicator. If the sway bar is clean and shining in the area. Then we know the owner maintained it. By the looks of it, the oil looks good.

[@austins3266]

Engineer- “It’s anti corrosion”

[@sb2h]

Engineer couldn't figure out how to lubricate the sway bar on a yearly basis. Finally figured it out.

[@milanjovanovic6259]

They could change sump plug location or install small curved tube that goes around sway bar. No need to move sway bar location