Why Do People Like The Crusader Spirit A1, C1, & E1? | The Newest Ship in Star Citizen

The Crusader Spirit series is beginning to wrap up its year-long development cycle. Let's take a look at everything we've learned about this ship, and why people like it so much.
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[@PH03NIX96]

MSR could have retained it's sleek profile if the unnecessary tubes and ducting were removed.

[@B.D.E.]

Hopefully they will remove the dumb not secret secret passageway in a future rework.

[@uberfu]

Yep. CIG failed to realize the whole reason the MIllenium Falcon functions as a smuggling ship in SW is due to the fact that the interior is one-off and heavily modified from the stock YT-1300s. If whatever Coerellian shipm company rolled all YT-1300s out of the factory with the same exact interior mods as the MF - it wouldn't be a smuggling ship.

[@uberfu]

This CAN be done in a video game but as much as CIG is struggling with variants and modules as it is - making a ship with a fully customizable interior so the player can uniquely change the layout so anyone boarding not familair with that specific one off layout would be completely lost every single time they boarded an MSR ... and everyone is crying about how long the cap ships are taking to release. IDC about waiting that long for the MSR rebuild. They just need to make it a cargo+data runner - make it fast and defensible and move on. If CIG wants smuggling - add it to the new list of "modular" ships and make the rear half of the ship modular so players can shift around any of the room other than the cockpit. OR just implement something that deters heavy scans - thick armor - electronic jamming etc.

[@brianreck5971]

Just that center engine not being there changed the MSR look so much.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

It did, it really did.

[@THarSul]

With regard to gravity deployed bombs in a space ship; freefall is a property of movement in space, but once movement stops playing a part in the equation, so long as the bomber is close enough to a gravity well, the bombs will be pulled out by the gravity of the massive body, albeit at a slightly diminished rate due to the distance reducing gravity’s influence. It’s kinda like when that dude broke the skydiving record by jumping from the edge of space after riding a weather balloon all the way up; gravity works normally if you are effectively stationary relative to the surface.

[@StelaPop]

The MSR from the early renderings and CGI the back end does not show much of a cargo bay at all, but what we have as a finished product there's enough room for two tall ATV's with Anti-Air missile turrets on it, so this cargo bay increased not only the width but the height in a VERY big way

[@jedi_drifter2988]

The tunnels/duct is for cooling those big data storage units and computers, which happens to help in smuggling as well.

[@StelaPop]

​@jedi_drifter2988 100% tunnels add an extra layer of thickness creating a false floor area which, since everyone knows is there, can't be used to "smuggle" anything as it would be checked along with all of the other cargo space. Which is different than the Falcon as Han modified a very small section of the floor, routing cables and pipes around the normally occupied space, for a hiding hole.

[@furiousfelicia5751]

When MSR fist came out on the PTU all door functions were working. And then they never worked again after live release. I just had all my doors open in PTU - no hassle getting in or out of the ship then but what MSR really needs is a secondary entrance.

[@OnZeeAir]

I’d add a one ramp which goes always down to the ground. And, for sure, make this ramp so it doesn’t make ‘funny’ jokes not going down on your return while it did when you went out from your ship. CIG once spoke about a technology for having ramps going down to the ground - SCL or ISC cannot temember. I’d have like receiving an update during last citcon but…

[@StellaAlamarr]

Can't wait to get my hands on the Spirit. Hope we get more missions in the future that can benefit from the use of ground bombing.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Looks like we don't have to wait any longer!

[@StellaAlamarr]

Yes, new daily driver! I still love you Andromeda! I swear!@@SpaceTomatoToo

[@cygnuspmc]

So the biggest difference between Spirit (A1 we have stats for from PTU) and Cutlass (Black)/Freelancer is the Spirit has significantly better acceleration (top speed being ~ same), the signature profiles are different, with Spirit having as good/better (although we don't know what the CS signature is going to be yet) and the Spirit has larger fuel tanks. The jump drive not being in the cutlass is also an interesting thing to note. They also amped the Spirits' boost specs recently, so it may have as good/better boost. Spirit also has more hp. On paper it appears to have an edge, but it's not substantially favorable in any one metric, except rule #1 (look cool). It dominates the compitition there.

[@easterworshipper5579]

ironically, when the msr first launched, we COULD lock the doors open. we were also able to lock doors an use the dead space between the cockpit and the main thoroughfare as a security airlock. i have no idea why they disabled these.

[@Zeoran]

I'm still pissed off about the E1. There's no excuse for them not to put that in the game as well and I don't think I've ever seen them not release a variant of a ship while releasing the others. The excuse I keep hearing from people is that there's no passenger gameplay, which is bullshit because there have been player transport beacons for as long as I can remember. And as far as gameplay goes, there's no ground bombing gameplay and yet they're fast tracking the A1. Yet they haven't even breathed a word about the E1 since the concept launch at IAE last year.

[@DahVoozel]

Yesterday was the first time I had beheld a 100i in the 'verse. As I was pulling out it's precious gubbins to stuff in the back of my Pisces, I appreciated how much more thought out design is these days compared to when I got to sit in tiny Avenger.

[@scribblescrabble3185]

From the look of it the MSR seems underpowered with the lose of its central engine without a substitute. And there are other things I dearly miss from the concept, mostly the great view from the cockpit. Another simply was, the MSR was exactly the right size.

[@404fox9]

I could see possibly being given an advantage in armor and atmospheric control surfaces, both things that aren't implemented yet. And possibly being able to swap the remote tractor beam turret for a weapon turret. But like you say it is still in concept so who knows.

[@pigskinrode0]

@Space Tomato Too .... The A1 spirit kind of reminds me of a short smushed in SR-1 which is one of the reasons I like it so much. Being a huge ME fan !

[@JIPlatium]

I agree that I would want the MSR to be a slimmer ship. Also CIG needs to figure out how to integrate the turrents better, right now they gangly pop-out on the ship and doesn't look integrated.

[@ToitleInTime]

The Spirit A1/C1 could have been one ship, the flubbed promise of modularity would work so well here. One ship with the option to swap out the bombs for a couple of harbinger style torpedo racks, or swap in the C1’s cargo hold and tractor beam, with the remote turret fixed in the top spot. While we’re at it, these size 5 bombs should be guided, not dumb fire.

[@anepicotter4595]

I love the mercury star runner. While the interior ducts aren’t effective secret passageways, they are alternative passageways closed off from the main passage which would allow the owner of the ship another avenue of escape or a place to ambush boarders. At the very least, it allows for some fun little games with your friends when you’re bored.

[@lylithsmileyface3355]

My guess is Spirit will be WAY better for atmo, and better at maneuvering in general after release. I remember someone saying something about that being the main selling point, but being skeptical. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[@joshua41175]

It'll be interesting to see how it'll compare to Cutlass VTOL.

[@lylithsmileyface3355]

@@joshua41175 Looks like the spirit series has VTOL too.

[@cdlord80]

My MSR Wishlist: 1. Partially retractable turrets (to streamline the profile when not deployed). 2. Secondary entrance (preferrably linked to the cockpit tunnel). 3. Better gun racks (It has two racks, each able to hold 4 rifles or pistols. Would like racks more like what's in the Carrack). 4. Exchange awkward elevator for steps.

[@BigSmugRat]

It looks kinda like the Normandy is all I need.

[@adarkwind4712]

Always looked more like the Turian cruisers to me.

[@DahVoozel]

13:00 Seeing how people throw empty bottles and discarded hospital gowns all over, you know they're getting sauce on the chessmen.

[@ToastyMcGrath]

I really like the "space plane" shape of the C1. It feels more grounded than most ships in SC. The Cutlass Black can only stay airborne through space magic.

[@Furnace2552-cz8iy]

I really think that having the server room in the central location was a very bad idea because even if you trust your crew why would you have all of the probably sensitive data accessible to everyone... And every time they enter the ship no less

[@joshua41175]

Because sensitive equipment in the center of gravity.

[@Furnace2552-cz8iy]

@@joshua41175 I could literally make a better lay out in a day (not implement it) me and some buddies actually did one day. If CIG would stop and think about practicality in stead of whatever "cool idea" they have they could too.

[@ThisIsSpartttaaa]

I feel like tractor beams should only work well in space and planetside youd have to use a more physical mode of moving objects.

[@TennysonEStead]

I think this is a super well-considered presentation. You guys are reason number one why I'll be stopping into the creator corner at CitizenCon, and I'm looking forward to welcoming you back to LA!

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Look forward to seeing you there!

[@presidentduckling]

The Cutlass Black to me is the gold standard for the everyman ship. It can fly well enough and do bounties, move light cargo, carry ground transport for bunker missions and more, and a buddy can sit in the turret. It even comes with weapon racks. The view from the cockpit is fantastic, not restrictive like the Freelancer, and the vectoring engines and side doors are just cherries on top that add so much character. All of that being said, it's a ship that I greatly respect, but I can't fall in love with it. I'm just not into its boxy looks. The Spirit promises to be most of a Cutlass Black, but with a drop dead gorgeous design that I can really fall in love with. I don't care that it doesn't come with a good turret or that it's missing most the missiles, it can do some Cutlass things and it looks beautiful, and I hope it flies well enough for me to not miss the Cutlass once I get it.

[@Oaty86]

They should make an exploration variant of this ship.

[@DublinOdinson]

The worst part about Crusader ships is all the damn doors. ALL they do is slow you down when getting in and out of the ships. Don't matter how cool the bird is, having to open four or more doors to get in or out makes you leave the ship in the hanger.

[@Zacho5]

That could be a good thing later on, with things like fire on the way having a lot of rooms you can seal off keeps stuff like that from spreading.

[@bexarbrown8005]

Agreed. It’s just a useless time sink.

[@myaul8157]

For transportation quests, they may have to do an UBER like tip system . There would be a base reward, and tip reward per guest for getting to destination on time or early as well as not exceeding a fixed flight speed.

[@TheGlassSword]

Ok I’m sold on that E1 I wonder if it’s 3 pods or 6 because I couldn’t tell if there is are pods on the other side of that hall Also I hope the ship tractor beam turret on the Taurus becomes functional too because that would make the cargo movement abit safer and potentially easier when doing bounties

[@-Seek-17]

I think its 3 seats

[@hallker]

MSR got a bit ugly for two reasons, one because of vehicles... they've said that they realized they're pretty close to fitting Ursa in, so they decided to cut out the main engine and make bigger ramp for Ursa, and the tunnels. This killed the love for MSR I had from concept 😞

[@helloitsjay38]

Hoping the size five spirit bombs are able to be loaded into the gladiator to give it some purpose 😂

[@johnboyd9713]

F7 got a glowup, waiting patiently for the gladiator to get love because that thing is just dripping with potential.

[@PluckMe]

I'm assuming someone already addressed this, pertaining to the tunnels in the MSR being useless... If you've ever been in a data center, under the flooring is all the cabling, so crawl spaces are actually an improvement on that (I have seen two data centers with crawl spaces and ventilation). Being its a "data collector" they used that space and made it an extra that's fun and would serve a real function in life, which is access.

[@alyvav.trauma2440]

Now that i have checked the A1 in game i am absolutley happy with that one. Its way better than i expected.

[@mattsully5332]

Honestly, "it's not a cutlass" is almost enough reason to choose on its own, though that is probably because I'm not hugely interested in ship combat. After seeing your video on the A1, I would absolutely get the C1 if I didn't already have a freelancer.

[@johnboyd9713]

I really REALLY want a small ship like the Talon in that it has 2 bigger guns rather than a bunch of 3s and 2s. I thought the spirit would have been a great candidate to have 2xs5 hardpoints.

[@Derek9598]

The sleeker smaller slimmer version looks more like the Ion or Inferno. As someone who loves the C1 I like it because it looks sleep but also because it flys like a dream.... it just flys smoother than any other ship I have. It flys like the star runner used too prior to all the flight tweaks they have made that turned it into a brick.

[@nightshade1124]

So I think I finally realized why people like the Spirit series (and i'm not sure if anyone else has said it) but the Spirit class of ship looks like the Normandy from the Mass Effect series.

[@chrisblack4836]

My spirit may become a Zeus mk2 or a Taurus at this point. Depends on if it gets buffed or not.

[@johnboyd9713]

I love the aesthetic, but you are giving up a lot right now for those aesthetics.

[@chrisblack4836]

@@johnboyd9713 Yea, maybe a little too much. I think that's mainly because the Freelancer and Cutty are a bit too good as they've not received any updates in a long while. Either that or the Spirit series really needs a buff.

[@johnboyd9713]

@@chrisblack4836 Agreed. Even just in PvE and daily driver considerations, not even combat, it seems lacking compared to the competition. So pretty tho

[@MaticTheProto]

Imagine being beat by the zeus before you’re even flyable

[@Ha1rD1aper]

i would 100% agree that the Spirit is likely the result of the MSR getting the size increase. although, the Crusader lineup was inevitably going to be filled out regardless, and it's a pretty good looking ship for the role it's filling, so altogether not bad. interested to see how the interior looks in game.

[@KageShi]

Some kind of kicker to shove them clear would be nice, The A2 has an issue bumping it's bomb off course if you pull altitude to fast after dropping.

[@Uberzit]

3:45… Paul Jones, the forever whisperer🫠

[@Sams911]

even though your voice sounds EXACTLY like mine, which drives me nuts, this has become my favorite SC continent ..

[@Laymann311]

This man has an incredible voice, yeah he has some of the best SC content, but he’s the best because of his voice

[@Sams911]

@@Laymann311 well thank you! I'll take that as a compliment since we sound exactly the same

[@PEN0311]

@spacetomato thinks the transit time from the cockpit to engineering on the MSR is annoying. I urge him to take a tour of an actual maritime vessel. Every frame and deck of the ship most likely has a watertight hatch on it. On a USN Aircraft Carrier, the standard time to lock down the ship for damage control is 15 minutes.

[@ValcryeTheSecond]

Every other ship of a similar size pretty much has a much shorter entry to bridge timing. The lack of ingress near the cockpit is a detriment when compared to other ships

[@turrboenvy4612]

Why are there so few windows? "I swear you're in space. No, you can't look." Also, the worst part of the Cutlass price increase is I can't upgrade mine to a Spirit.

[@keysersozeh3576]

Seems to be now classified as a size 4 ship, same as msr, connie and corsair. It is outclassed in this bracket.

[@nemesisfaust]

2 things i think the E1 needs, and doesnt have. just like cargo can be jettisoned... i think the passenger helix should be able to jettison, to save and eject the entire bay of passengers to keep them safe and keep them alive. meanwhile, the 2nd deck helix also needs a starbord or port side docking collar. not just so passengers can load easier and faster from stations, but so that the game play aspect is more fluid as an rp factor. loading the assigned passengers to their seats then once seated. closed the docking collar and rear upper docking port. which also means the passenger helix would also need a 2nd life support systems on bay. mean the elevator is nice as a 2nd point or emergency ground pickup or exit method of play. however i still think passenger boarding should be done primarily threw the docking collar methods. not requiring passengers to have eva suits, especially those of luxury natures. its these reasons are why i hope the leading line of the spirit series is taking longer. not necessarily the ai script and code for loading them into ships, as that is most likly mostly done already as of 3.20.x ai improvement and life quality enhancements. and will be fully added into pu after 3.21.x for server relaying and partial meshing. but i hope that they are also adding a docking collar for the luxury passengers. to bring ai passenger pathing into rp full circle. the passenger helix grid ejections is just a bonus if they add it in as a i wish they would have. where the 2nd part for that in necessity is tractor beams to reattach the passenger helix grid. which is also coming in 3.21.x. which is why i think the tractor beam rail system is an important functions not just to load cargo, but to manage the luxury passenger helix to reattach it on the ship. in a RP method as well. as these are reasons passenger ships and missions are not in game as of yet. is the base principles for various ships are not in the pu as of yet, but soon will be. with the E1 spirit being the leader into that modality of game play. so to do the E1 right, would naturally take a lot longer as expected. but these are features that i think would be down the pipeline as requiring those other features like partial meshing for tracking reliability as well as those tractorbeams for the helix grids. ect ect. where on the ship and not functional when release vs having it all in and working then adding passenger missions then luxury passenger missions thereafter where things just work. yeah. and 40:01 is exactly that, "making sure the escape raft is fully functional on release of the earliest variant so less work on the ship need be done latter down the line."

[@Maxxmentum]

The door problem is real. I was in my Corsair on the cargo ramp, saw bad guys coming (larger than life, twice as ugly), the run to the cockpit through all the doors seem to take forever. Then get the chair to let me in, power up and run! So I woke up in the med bed....

[@joelellis7035]

That's what you get for going solo in a large ship! You needed to have a dedicated pilot on standby for when you need to scoot! That or you needed to just shut down your engines, not all of your systems, when landed on the surface.

[@Maxxmentum]

@@joelellis7035 if ur fully shut down they can't see you?

[@knots83]

32:08 they menhened the E1 is a taste of what the Starlifter will get so a E2 is penciled in for the future. i missed that before. i would like to see a Red and Blue Spirit

[@alexanderdooley5833]

C1 also has a larger tractor beam than then 315p or the same size maybe. that will make it a better logistics ship than the other ships it competing with. i dont recall cutty having a tractor beam.

[@draakdeon]

i was at first very hiped for this ship, but when i did my homework about it, i wasnt realy shure about it, if you look to it competetors, and now we will MAYBE get a medium size ship of rsi at citcon, the zeus mk2 so maybe just wait until its done

[@Integer_Overload]

The tunnels in the MSR are great for when you've stuffed the hull so full of stolen drugs that you cant access the elavator

[@pawe6199]

I have a question, Tomato. Why the tunnels under MSR are going to be something good after engineering gameplay gets in game? If anything, it's gonna be hilariously bad to have to go and fix something there. Every other ship has all the relays, components and fuses comfortably up there in the hallways, but for MSR you'd have to crawl under? How is that a good thing?

[@RonVB]

Now we just need jump packs or parachutes, and you could remove the bombs and hot drop 10 people on Jump Town!

[@artsolano6762]

Why do we like the Spirit? Name me a 2 player ship with 2 beds, cargo, kitchen, shoilet. Cutlass Red comes close but has no kitchen. Most people are going to play solo or with a guest. This ship makes sense. It’s the MSR without all the fat. Also the Spirit has a tractor beam well positioned right above the ramp to the cargo area

[@phillipnunya6793]

I was looking for an upgrade to my Avenger that I have had since 2014. The whole reason I kept the avenger is because it had a bed, some space for storage, and had decent weapons. Aside from all that, I could fly it myself and get all the functionality out of it and use it for travel and whatever stuff I wanted to do on a day to day basis. I was considering upgrading it to a zeus because the size is similar to the C1 and you get a lot of defense and range. The issue is that a lot of the functionality is more split between crew. I can't use all the weapons myself. Need crew for that. I am thinking about getting the C1 because you can get all the basic functionality with only one person, but the difference in defense and range is a lot. I can't decide if I would rather have more maneuverability and weapons or more defense and longer range.

[@Alex7ati]

"Give me a ship that makes me feel I'm in my favorite science fiction" I couldn't agree more! Can't wait to fly my c1

[@festersmith8352]

The Connies do that for me.

[@Alex7ati]

@@festersmith8352 yeah I also love the connie andromeda, it's my Rocinante, especially during exonthreat.

[@Platinumsniper]

Yeah seeing the other variations of the ships was cool to see. So of the alternative for the C2 were awesome.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Maybe models for the in-game museum some day.

[@Platinumsniper]

@@SpaceTomatoToo fingers crossed

[@Zeoran]

The c1's going to have a vehicle tractor beam which will give it a massive advantage over the cutty black when vehicle tractor beams are in the game which will hopefully be later this year.

[@mactan_sc]

cutlass also has tractor beam

[@BasslimeRex]

MSR needs an elevator to the surface in the corridor behind the bridge. The single entrance and 28,435,712 doors to get to the bridge ruin it.

[@chrishoppner150]

There might be no gravity in this game's space, but inertia works just fine. If the bombs had a mechanical release instead of relying on gravity, bombing in space would work just fine. CIG and their weird CIG logic. That's how bombing worked for the most part in WW2. You pointed the entire plane at the target, just gently release the bomb, and pull up hard hoping it doesn't blast your ass too.

[@RoadRashHD]

My question is, how do you get to that page, where you can secure your ships??

[@az_3kgt714]

Question you @spacetomato im looking at getting a c1 or a1. Really only wanna throw down money for 1. Already have an msr and c2. Looking for a cutty sized DD for looting wrecks. But also want a bomber for clearing out AA guns for bunker missions. Which one would you go for 1st?

[@Cman2ptO]

The A1 is going to be the game first, the C1 will probably be in game in a 3.21.x patch

[@nemesisfaust]

28:03 did you hear what he said. the Spirit series is made to compete with the cutlas blue red and steel. does this mean cutlass might be getting a bomber variant, as well as the spirit getting a medical and bounty variant? if so.. i guess im gonna have to get another spirit for a B1 Spirit Bounty Ship.

[@Furnace2552-cz8iy]

I cash in server meshing have a lot to do with it but data running probably will not be coming until we have at least two or three star systems, the way Data running is slated to work most of the work is taking it from one system to another

[@aldodelarosa]

I hope it handles well in atmosphere and that doors can stay open or just not as many as the MSR, but if I could only have one, the doors have to go.

[@wild_lee_coyote]

The MSR has always been touted as the Millennium Falcon of Star Citizen. But that is not true. The Drake Caterpillar is the Millennium Falcon of SC. It has the side cockpit with lots of struts. It’s a flying piece of junk of a freight hauler with turrets on top and bottom and lots of nooks and crannies that people can hide in. Also they are very common in the verse, whereas the MSR is pretty unique and way to slick and flashy to be a smuggler.

[@sirnukealot84]

I think the spirits will probably handle better in atmo compared to cutlasses. The c1 will have the tractor beam turret.

[@nathanforrester5140]

I really wish the MSR had fire power more in line with the Conny. I fly the Conny over the MSR because i cannot do VHRT bounty's in an MSR. I am really hoping the C1 will have the fire power to at lest do HRTs.

[@stefensmith9522]

I like the spirit simply because it looks like an aircraft. Coming from an aviation background when you see something like the f8 with rudders under the wing it just... Sits wrong lol the ares looks awesome but without rudders all together it just wouldn't fly through the atmosphere right and don't even start on the caterpillar 😂. For space these are fine but atmospheric flight has rules.

[@meyatetana2973]

I like the look of it and to me that's 100% of why I buy certain ships. And A1 is honestly very sexy design.

[@Wyatt_o7]

I bought a model of the Msr from JRDF because the Msr is my favorite everyday ship. I so wish i had the nightrunner paint though. One thing i hate about it is the completely useless extra door yiu have to wait to open when walking to the cockpit. There are like 4 doors but 1 of them reallly doesnt need to be there, it just takes so long waiting for them to open.

[@demonfandango]

The MSR is a fun ship and I hope they rework this ship. There is so much wasted space in this ship. They could move engineering and replace that area with mores smuggling space, get rid of a lot of the tunnels and put engineering in there. Also, the server room should be secure and in with the scanning chair - not as part of the main ingress to the cockpit.

[@mattp1337]

The Spirit series has got to have good fuel capacity standard, so I imagine the C1 will end up between the Freelancer and its DUR variant in terms of capacity but with range comparable to the latter (or perhaps even more). But I guess we'll find out soon.

[@gibrankaleel9089]

Hey Tomato. Love these deep dive videos! The amount of time, effort, attention and care, you put into your content and community really shines through.♥Super informative, well paced and put-together, grounded and non over-hyped, to the point, with a touch of humor and top-notch production value.💫🍅 Definitely looking forward to your comparison on the Cutlass vs. Spirit once we get the C1. Been daily driving the Cutty-Black since it's big rework, and nothing else really does it for me as an all-round medium ship to hop on with my buddy 'n have some chaotic fun!🥸 Same as you and many others, I was instantly sold on the sleek, modern looks for the Spirit. I just want something functionally "Similar", but looks "Cooler" and flies "Faster/Better" than my Cutlass.😎I hope like John said, the ship will be true to it's Crusader DNA in being "Faster and more Agile". How do you guys feel about the A1 in comparison, now that you've been flying it? What I love about the Cutty is also one of my biggest gripes. Those BIG twin engines at the back! The Sound, VFX, and that feeling of "Raw Power", having 2 big-ass "Fiery" rockets blasting you forward.. And the engine plumes for the Cutty are just..👌Especially in atmo.🔥Until one of them gets shot off.😅Sure the Spirit engines can also get disabled, but at least it will remain as part of the body in some capacity without being amputated. Also, I feel the engine plume VFX for the Spirit could be a "wee bit" better, to look more in-par with the Ares. I love the idea of, "The 8 Long Spikes of Deadly Blue Flame" look. But these look a bit skinnier and less intense, especially in atmo, even compared to the Ares. Maybe I'm spoiled by the Cutlass and Ares.😎Hope they'll give it a little more "Oomph" on the next VFX pass. Other than that, the ship looks "Amazing"!! from what I've seen on the A1 thus far. Eagerly awaiting IAE to grab a Cutty-Black to C1 CCU. Hopefully the price won't go up too much.🥲Really hope they make her fly better than a Cutty and allow us to upgrade the nose turret into 2 x S3 (Fixed) I don't mind losing the top manned turret since soloing the Cutty is basically the same.. Apologies for the long write-up. My 1st comment here, so thought I'd make it count.😃Thanks again for the A+ content, hope to catch you guys in-game sometime. Have an awesome CitCon weekend!🚀Cheers!🍻

[@Bean_Soup]

Crusader is quickly becoming the BMW of Star Citizen for me LOL

[@Dzantro]

Haven't played in a while. Is the A1 going to be more expensive than the C1?

[@arrclyde4325]

My guess is that the C1 and the E1 are vastly different in terms of speed when it comes to the A1. As a bomber to carry 10 half-MOABs you can't have it be to fast and nimble. But the C1 and the E1 just cream speed. They both have less weapons and shields compared to a Freelancer and less weapons (including missles) than the Cutty black. So speed and accelleration is really what is going for those ships. Not having a turret in the C1 makes the ship even more a single person ship, as you do not even miss out on firepower when flying this ship solo.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

The tunnels/duct in the MSR is for cooling those big data storage units and computers, which happens to help in smuggling as well.

[@imperialoutback-schuby4089]

So with the the A1 added we now have 6 bombers technically now right? Granted so far only the A1 and A2 are able to carry actual bombs with the rest being Torpedo bombers...how long will it be, if ever, before the Gladiator and Eclipse get access to smaller bombs?

[@JohnVanderbeck]

The C1 definitely looks cool but the limited cargo capacity of 48 seems very underwhelming to me.

[@MichaelDBruce]

I picked up an A1 during Invictus but melted it. I have some mild regrets and might grab another one later. I think I like it because it reminded me of a ship from mass effect. Generally crusader ships are something I like

[@ronaldshaw4309]

The Cutlass got a major adjustment from its original. I suspect that the starfarer might drastically change. The merchantman and the Polaris is has some interesting changes as well.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

It got waaaay bigger!

[@uberfu]

2020 > both games were supposed to have been post Beta circa 2017 ... sooo becomign jaded anytime after has been the norm.

[@ozramblue117]

All righty! Now compare the C1 to the Zeus MK II CL.

[@uberfu]

The E1 has a lower deck to separate the riff raff from the snobs.

[@vulcan4d]

I have my MSR as my daily driver but the Spirit is looking mighty sweet. I just hope it is not too limited for that price. I hope they still make the MSR turrets half retract. Yes they had a dev video saying it.....but I think they gave up :(. The MSR loses that sleek look because of these ugly manned turrets. They should at least change them for remote.

[@davedanter]

Never did use the MSR much, it was nice, but not sexy. Yet the Spirit is for me instantly likeable, handles like a Bomber, stable, precision accurate and sound effects that 'hit the mark'. Daily driver for sure...well is actually. Enjoy CitizenCon all

[@uberfu]

The thinner MSR concepts likely did work until they tqacked the lower deck tunnerls in. Nobody seems to like the tunnels much beyond novelty and they could do away with them completely. Which would bring the MSR back to a sleeker profile.

[@uberfu]

MSR [interior] Doors > when CIG first released the MSR the main set of doors from teh cargo area to the bridge used to fly open at a fast pace ... a couple of udpates after taht the doors crawled to a near halt; makeing pulling teeth more pleasent. I'm sure it's on CIGs "todo" lsit but they had more import things to focus on like bed sheets and toilets and hair.

[@Asgar1205]

All these guys from old ISC episodes... i wonder if they're still with the company.. is Chris Smith still there? That man is a genius!

[@SKNehoray]

Short answer: speed, maneuverability, cockpit, design and MANUFACTURERRRR

[@nemesisfaust]

also the a1 is 200 base price as in pu now and 175 for warbond. nearly cutlass steel price. the E1 is 150 as that is what it says the ship value is in my hanger atm. and the C1 is expected 120 to the cutlass black 100 value. and should go on sale for 95 or 100 with iae warbonds at next 3.21.x patch.

[@nemesisfaust]

note the chairmen limited edition olympian black with gold interior and exterior trims for the E1 and potentially useful on the other spirits as exterior paint only is not in store.

[@PolBlanesCebrian]

The main problem with the MSR is that it has no real purpose right now. Most of the space inside of it is useless, the tunnels, the servers, the scanner room... but that doesn't mean they will never have a purpose. There's also a problem with all the components being in the cargo bay, which means anyone can come in and there's no way to defend your components if that ever is something that would happen. Since the ship can only be entered through the cargo bay, it feels very slow getting to the cockpit. And finally its appearance and profile are a bit bulkier than the concept which is strange for a ship that's supposed to look sleek and fast (it's basically a spy ship meant to listen in and fly away quickly). I think many ships deserve a bit of a rework and the MSR is definitely one of them even if it's relatively new. But I also think they should stop doing reworks and get all the features in first so that they can just do all the reworks at the end and bring all ships to the same quality and production level.

[@adarkwind4712]

Havent flowm it in a minute but doesn't the Cytlass still fly like a brick now?

[@TomFooleryGaming]

I would have LOVED to keep my MSR... but I tend to do a lot of solo work and need more guns. So I had to melt her down and get a Corsair.

[@jackpatterson8389]

You can't drive the thing because it's a time destroyer going in and out, and then it burns hydrogen in a way that amazes me. Do they have hydrogen dispensers instead of collectors?

[@robertgarling3919]

Hey Tomate, you didnt wave back at Citizen Con T_T (me now Sad) what do you say now that the Spirit is finaly here!?

[@themysticmessenger4262]

I really hope the c1 will be faster than the cutty

[@Kiyomoto657]

I loved the MSR design, but I get sick looking at what they delivered. It is the Space Catfish.

[@themysticmessenger4262]

I would love that red one be a medical variant