Why do People Support Genocide, Vote Trump, etc: Extrinsic Values

00:00 - Why do people support untenable positions, irrational decisions or nonsensical leaders?
02:41 - What are your values? Goal content theory
04:29 - Extrinsic values
06:29 - Can people switch values?
08:58 - Why do people adopt such values?
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REFERENCES:
Democracy in America
Alexis de Tocqueville (1835). De la démocratie en Amérique [Democracy in America]. Paris: Flammarion.
In/Out Group theory
Taijfel, H. (1970). "Experiments in intergroup discrimination" (PDF). Scientific American. 223 (5): 96-102.
Peer Pressure:
Asch, S. E. (1951). Effects of group pressure upon the modification and distortion of judgment. In H. Guetzkow (ed.) Groups, leadership and men. Pittsburgh, PA: Carnegie Press.
Intrinsic / Extrinsic values
Kasser, Tim, and Richard Ryan. 1996. ‘Further examining the American dream: Differential correlates of intrinsic and extrinsic goals’. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, 22(3), 280-287.
Kasser, Tim, Richard Ryan, Charles Couchman, et al. 2004. ‘Materialistic values: Their causes and consequences’. In Psychology and consumer culture: The struggle for a good life in a materialistic world, edited by T. Kasser & A. D. Kanner. Worcester: American Psychological Association, 11-28.
Marwick, Alice E. 2013. Status Update: Celebrity, Publicity, and Branding in the Social Media Age. New Haven: Yale University Press.

[@chocolanny]

It might sound stupid but I've been working on symbols to make Palestine more "commercial". I realized that Israel really sold itself like a brand, there's numerous pictures, famous people, present on different media, hell they even have a Marvel Superhero 😭. So I'm working on associating Palestine with different brands, wearing Palestine colors with clothes like Paliroots, making stickers, creating fictional characters for video games and comics/anime. Sharing fashion défilé with Palestinian broderie and keffieh. Obviously I can not make commercial use of Hello Kitty waving the Palestinian flag but I can show it on social media. We can not let them win, even if it means associating ourselves with capitalism.

[@williambarylo]

That's a good effort. Careful though, as this is a strategy that can backfire and be seen as making money/gathering attention on the back of people's pain. There's a law in marketing that says that if something works, it doesn't need marketing, it will spread organically. That's maybe why Israel puts so much effort in marketing. Producing content / doing your bit in an effort to question, disrupt, unsettle is the way to go. Before people support peace, they need to stop believing the lies and the illusions in the first place

[@chocolanny]

@@williambarylo you are right, I’ll make it sure to keep it respectful. It’s a side project, my main goal is to deconstruct the lies, the myths and misinformation that they carry on for decades. Insh’Allah this will come to an end 🇵🇸🤍

[@rdklkje13]

Doesn't sound stupid at all, just very tricky as William also notes. Some years ago I watched a number of Love Island clips to see if there was something about their documented appeal to multitudes that I might be able to somehow transfer to communication about humans wrecking this planet's biosphere. Gotta admit I wasn't able to crack that nut. You'd think that there's a commonality in term's of what's widely seen as all of our desires to live happy, peaceful lives with sufficient shelter, food and such. But the ways in which these desires are being appealed to in what a majority of people have come to see as interesting and worthwhile still seem to me to be utterly inappropriate to talk about existential emergencies. If you're a great satirist you can do things like Bassem Yussef telling Piers Morgan how his attempts to kill his Palestinian wife haven't been successful so far cos she keeps using their kids as human shields. Or if you're brave and have some acting skills you can do what Walter Masterson does, like go to a pro-Israel demo wearing a clone trooper helmet to defend the Empire from the Rebel Alliance. Both of which are great, just not something that can be generalised to everyday people's everyday conversations.

[@j.artiste8596]

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[@AhmondMusic]

Great to hear your voice on these subjects.

[@williambarylo]

Thank you ❤

[@amail7323]

Thank you William. I love your content. I love your job. Merci d’avoir pris le temps de partager avec nous et de prôner les belles valeurs humaines.

[@williambarylo]

Merci!!

[@sadeekahsaban162]

I look at some people and wonder if they even do any reflection on their lives

[@ultramarineblue-mq7fp]

Thank you for this lovely video. It was really helpful and informative! I am now officially a subscriber - looking forward to hearing more of what you say and seeing your lovely beard!!

[@williambarylo]

haha thank you!!

[@Madelro100]

Thanks for helping me to think. I m leftist; all the time looking for right information not propaganda even if it s against the left. It s not easy to condemn bad things that commit those who "I support".

[@williambarylo]

Any political movement has people with their own interest and agenda. I think that left/right don't mean much anymore nowadays. A political programme is different from having values.

[@maximotest2226]

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[@tigerdude2727]

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[@williambarylo]

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[@shahidkhan-kt1ol]

great stuff, keep us updated... very well-summarised and informative topics!

[@williambarylo]

thank you!

[@palestine_3_9_18]

Oh Palestine you remain in our hearts

[@katerinak4164]

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[@atilla4352]

Such a mature channel and topics... love it ❤ thank you William!

[@williambarylo]

Thank you!

[@TheEnemiesEnemy]

Always great content Dr

[@williambarylo]

Thank you!

[@Jad55]

Well said! 📈

[@nsagoogle9581]

reminds me of the Dunning-Kruger effect

[@williambarylo]

When you get incompetent people who advertise their expertise all over the place, indeed!

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[@gmw3083]

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[@reemabdi2316]

sadly there is so many silent genocides that were not even aware of. to many innocent people being killed in this world.

[@zeinaomari4522]

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[@user-mp6hr7go3z]

Thank you.

[@IntellectOnly]

Excellent. Watching from Morocco.

[@williambarylo]

Thank you!

[@Not_that_Brian_Jones]

This is interesting. I've heard of the terms Intrinsic and Extrinsic value, but not in terms of character traits of an individual. Rather, I've heard of these terms as something like 'modes' of valuation; they describe the relationship between a given activity and the motivation that drives the performance of that activity. In this schema, you value something intrinsically if you do it 'for it's own sake'. That is, you might play chess because you enjoy the activity as an end in itself, rather than as a means to some other goal. On the other hand, you may play chess in order to become a chess master, perhaps because you want reap the social and other benefits that come with that honorific. Notice that these two kinds of valuation are not *necessarily* at odds. You may genuinely enjoy chess, and also play to gain the social benefits of a master, etc. There is clearly a similarity to what you are talking about. You seem to be emphasizing a concern with 'substance' as opposed to 'aesthetic' or 'appearance'. It is a greater concern with 'getting at the right conclusion' rather than just 'feeling' like you do. But, notice, the chess player that only values chess extrinsically as described above is still going to be concerned with 'doing chess right'. Otherwise, they will never become a chess master. That said, these two conceptions come much closer when it comes to rhetoric. To be a successful politician, you don't necessarily need to consistently 'tell the truth'. In fact, a tendency to do so may inhibit your ability to be a successful politician. On the other hand, a tendency to tell easy lies that 'feel nice' to your audience may lead to greater success. Assuming this is right, then it the mode of valuation you bring to the political arena makes a substantial difference: do you see public service as an inherently honorable and worthy use of your talents, or do you see it as a cynical means to power and comfort? Whether we want to characterize this kind of valuation of this domain as a category of people, or a trait possesses by some (for whatever reason), it is hard to deny that politics attracts more of the latter than the former. Similarly, when applied to (what we might call) 'basic values'--truth, justice, etc.--our mode of valuation makes a significant difference. Do I view 'doing the right thing' as worthy in itself, or do I just want to appear to be a good person (i.e. to gain some social benefit)? Do I want to 'win an argument/dunk on my ideological rivals/be the smartest person in the room' or do I want to arrive at truth (or the closest approximation possible)?

[@williambarylo]

100%

[@deannaaustin-crowe7491]

So appreciate your videos, thank you. So given all you say here- is there any hope for the majority to adopt intrinsic as opposed to extrinsic values, and if so, how to we encourage that?

[@williambarylo]

I think education and culture can play a role. While it is not out of people's choice, societies which don't have materially much are usually where one finds people the most satisfied with their lives. The challenge with us living in Europe and America is to re-learn for us, and the future generations to care about each other and be satisfied with little. I've seen example of kids raised in that way. It's possible!

[@maximotest2226]

@@williambarylo it be nice if it was so simple.

[@deannaaustin-crowe7491]

I agree. An online community, Eco-Sustainable Grassroots that I am part of, is quite inspirational over these issues. It would be great if you could do a video about living with less. Or perhaps even speak about it at one of our online meetings. @@williambarylo

[@medders7826]

I mean i do stay for all those reasons, but also because your voice is incredibly relaxing to me 😅 strange i know but hey, the brain does what the brain does 😂

[@williambarylo]

Ironically I really don't like the sound of my voice! But I've heard it's a human thing

[@FreckleKidz]

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[@undercoverangel1410]

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[@williambarylo]

Thank you!

[@undercoverangel1410]

@@williambarylo no, thank you 🙏 May Allah SWT reward you for your shares 🌸✌️

[@nathalieburli4383]

For all, I advise you, tricky Netanyahu KZbin !!!

[@thumper8684]

This really quite dry, although not an in-depth 40 minute essay. Maybe that choice was deliberate for this video. Thumbnails for other videos seem to show you like the dressage.

[@williambarylo]

It's all experimental. I guess this is the luxury when one doesn't have to chase engagement rates.

[@rdklkje13]

"Maybe you've been through difficult times in life which have forced you to reflect on the purpose of your existence and your role on Earth." Like birth, you mean 🙃? Cos this is the thing I do not understand. To me, this reflection seems so fundamental I still do not get how human groups have developed in such ways as to reach these points where a ruthless materialistic value orientation is so mainstream, so dominant, that it just keeps going, despite the clarity of how destructive it is, for individuals, for groups being attacked on a large scale (and their attackers too for that matter), as well as for our species and much of the rest of this planet as a whole. I get how the mechanisms you're talking about work, kinda at least. But this research looks at how they're being maintained once established, not really how we got ourselves into this mess to start with, over centuries and millennia. Sure, many of our various ancestors appreciated material well-being to an extent where they, too, were willing to wage wars and otherwise engage in various forms of violence in the service of this and the related extrinsic values you mention. Yet there are also plenty of human societies across history and continents who made different decisions, or learnt from their mistakes and changed their ways to more ecologically sustainable practices, often less violent ones at the same time, and fared very well like that. Until some violent MVO group came along and massacred (most) of them. That MVO "success" proves, in the eyes of some people I talk to, kinda from my own in-groups, at least in so far as being relatives, that this is the way to go, the most successful way of being human, regardless of the obvious current consequences of doing that. In my view only cos they haven't reflected much on the matter, of course, or have done so with a high degree of cognitive dissonance 😊 I still dispute that perspective simply on the basis that societies doing things differently across time and space show that other ways are possible and more beneficial overall in the long run. I just don't really know how to express this in ways that these people can connect with, even though I feel that this ability, even tendency, to reflect on existential purpose is something we're born with and that everyone can therefore ultimately connect with, even if they've grown up in an MVO society that needs to suppress such tendencies in most people in order to function.

[@williambarylo]

It's a tricky one. People have tried for example to link environmentally-friendly measures to money saving on the long term to convince corporations to do their bit for the planet. Problem is it has developed new predatory markets tapping into green washing and many corporations just adopt eco-friendly measures to avoid sanctions... Or appeal to a clientele. On a micro level, one may convince their friend who is in an abusive relationship to leave, or someone who struggle with addiction to quit but in practice, but no matter who tells them or how, they will not change until they decide to do so. It's frustrating but as a friend once told me, sometimes people need to crash to realise certain things. It can be very damaging to stay or try to fit in with people who share harmful values or traits; sadly I've learnt the hard way. I believe our duty is just to share the message to them, the impacts are not in our hands.

[@jeromefalasca5118]

Does that included all the chickens and pigs slaughtered..nah I don’t even support that😢

[@rdklkje13]

Something else, did you by any chance watch Trevor Noah's brilliant TDS pieces -- the first one from October 2015 -- on Trump being an African dictator? Still really funny, even if they come associated with many more tears too by now.

[@williambarylo]

no, but the concept sounds brilliant

[@urrywest]

Trevor Noah was saying that Obama should take the money for services rendered because every other president [read WHITE] president did/does... What is frustrating is how distructive Obama was particularly to black and latin Americans as well as the whole world.... He sold 'hope and change' and himself for cheap.... 'Most distructive since his meantor Ronnald Reagan.

[@makhloufn7761]

Salam alaikum

[@williambarylo]

WaAlaykum Salaam

[@bambiryba]

Thou one can agree and learn about many things you have sead, the question in the title has not been really answered. Suporting genocide is not really in, is it? And people stil do it. Maybe one could make a conection between extrinsic archetypes and sucsesfull dehumanisation of groups of people trough establishment and media? I live in Austria and I'm stuned how blatent the genocidal propaganda has bekomme. All voices of reason have been silenced in a metter of days and it is obwious that otherwise liberal voices do not really consider Palestianians as human beeings, worthy of human rights (provilages acording to George Carlin). Petty-bourgeois wonna-be do-gooders, empty shells, they can rationalize any shit and have done so in the past too.

[@williambarylo]

Yes, dehumanisation is part of the strategy!

[@mariakhanpl]

Comment to boost the algorithm 🫰🏻

[@williambarylo]

Thank you!

[@Zanzan8]

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[@urrywest]

Why do people vote for Trump? In my case I was trained as a democrat to vote for the lesser of two evils. Next question: Why vote at all?

[@philj5518]

Your proof that their is a genocide in Xinjiang. Re Daniel Dumbrill, Grayzone are just two commentators. Suggest you do more research. Peace

[@RubenLensvelt]

Why? Deuteronomy 25:17-19 Merciful gods sanction evil

[@williambarylo]

There are other beliefs than than Abrahamic religions out there

[@maximotest2226]

@@williambarylo you only needed use the word " than" once.

[@RubenLensvelt]

@@williambarylo yes there are others, but the complaint about merciful gods is as old as the principle of merciful gods themselves. ascribing mercy to a god is shit. "was the god not god before it needed mercy or something?" if the god has mercy for the perpetrators, where is its mercy for the victims? the world that a merciful god creates blames victims and tells them to pray to the king, preferably king jesus...

[@DagothUrSpeaks-yy6fj]

at 1:15 Tocqueville's critique is flawed especially in the analytical context they were using it in, because it implies there was ever a "majority" rule or an "equitable" rule of people to begin with. From the very start, the concept of democracy has been abused to ensure the replacement of kings ruling over society to instead be ruled over by a class dictatorship centered on the relationship between capital and politics. This is fundamentally not a democratic structure, so analyzing such a system as being democratic, regardless of how many political parties may represent the different wings of class politics, is simply wrong. If a society does not or is incapable of enshrining an equitable relationship for all in the economic and political system by design, and fails to use all of society to serve the common interest on equitable and humanitarian grounds, then it's not democratic. You are a trained sociologist, surely you know what i'm getting at. Class Dictatorship that empowers a minority is simply incompatible with democracy.

[@williambarylo]

Completely agree!

[@DagothUrSpeaks-yy6fj]

@@williambarylo Awesome! Your perspective has been useful and informative on various things, and so i'm glad we're also on the same page on class analysis. I'm not formally educated on sociology, But i read a lot of books on the matter to become better informed on history leading up to the present. There is much I don't know, however i ascribe to historical materialism as being the most useful and accurate theory of history. New historical evidence only helps to better refine and build up the theory of historical materialism in my book. also, i'm an atheist, but i've taken a keen interest in better understanding islam. Though i don't believe in any god, there are aspects of the quran i find match my ideals, but other aspects that do not. The islamic rules of war were revolutionary for their time, extremely similar to the geneva convention in fact. Ultimately, i just want to be as accurate in my understanding as possible, and i've made some muslim friends recently that are more progressive in their views on islam.

[@williambarylo]

@@DagothUrSpeaks-yy6fj Islam, like many belief systems or political ideologies is sadly often tweaked according to people's pre-existing agenda or moral compass. Fortunately, there are some people able to understand the broader picture and context!

[@anamulrahman543]

A cult^ure of top down financial racketeering.

[@williambarylo]

MLM schemes work similarly indeed

[@Smoosheroo]

I support Trump because he is against non-stop gibberish wars.

[@williambarylo]

He is THE BEST TRUMP EVER

[@issoopdilloo8905]

Biden is not normal a lot of reason

[@williambarylo]

Biden is a politician like many others

[@pellesvansl]

american presidents are all dangerous, whatever Trump didn't start a war anywhere, he may seem like a clown. I am politically so naiive, Obama was well groomed and spoke pretty but at the same time during all his presidency he was bombing innocent children and their falimy in the Middle East. Freedom of choice?

[@maximotest2226]

@@williambarylo Biden is horrible President

[@MyWissam]

My beard is better than your beard.

[@maximotest2226]

Video a joke

[@williambarylo]

Glad it made you laugh!

[@maximotest2226]

@@williambarylo I was expecting something different. Your not using bots. I fully expected a thousand replies of nonsense fiction.

[@JoeBlogs-if-]

Thank you.

[@williambarylo]

Thank you for watching!