Why Do These NBA Players HATE EUROPEAN SUPERSTARS?

[@solemagus4761]

Euro’s are getting hate for Exposing the league for it’s defense and Diva vibes 💯

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

How are they exposing it when they aren't winning?

[@user-eo9fl9wb8s]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 Giannis, Jokic, Sabonis don’t win? Like 3 of the top 5 guys are euros, half of the top 10 wouldn’t be from the US.

[@davidolubiyi5997]

Neither Jokic or Luka play defence and if you think Luka isn’t a diva you’re not watching

[@jmgonzales7701]

​@@user-eo9fl9wb8s giannis isnt european he is nigerian.

[@jmgonzales7701]

Luka complains alot and is slow as hell in defense. All these european players are slow as hell.

[@uchennaobike9574]

Conspiracy theory: Jokic is getting hate because he's too good and not the flashiest person to hype up or have stunning dominating highlights to show off and is also too nice and quiet off court

[@Polotongquitz]

It's not a theory. I think it was Skip who said that hJokic shouldn't win the MVP because "he was too boring and that would be bad for the publicity/marketing of the league" (paraphrasing). Mainstream media like ESPN don't like Jokic because they can't make a story out of him. Even when they are outright bashing him, Jokic responds in a mild mannered way. They can't sell a story like that. Mainstream NBA media sells more on the drama rather than the game itself. Hence why they hate euro players because most of them don't have controversies around them. And even when baited, they respond in a way that won't make headlines.

[@haroldnicolas4740]

​@@Polotongquitz yep, difficult to make a story if the player isn't a gun nuts or a total diva. Regarding skip, he is a douche who likes to watch people shoot 3 pointers all day long. People who find jokic boring or unesthetic don't know shit about bball. He's magnificent.

[@mjor6406]

He hasnt won an NBA title

[@1tw33t]

@@Polotongquitz ill make a small paralel in tennis. when nadal is playing 10 meters behind the base line he is a great runner. when andy murray returns every sent ball, he is a great defender. when djokovic does the same fing stuff, he is boring to watch. if a good player is not from the western countries, one is simply not good enough!

[@nofckyou215]

He isn't getting hate, he's overrated. He doesn't dominate JE so stop it. Not to mention he's a defensive liability especially in the 4th quarter.

[@shockre1119]

You will never hear European player talking highly about themselves, they will never claim that they deserve this or that, they are most of the time quiet. Therefor they do not put high expectations for fans and media which result to less pressure from fans and media, and of course less pressure from themselves.

[@luismendoza9502]

Didnt rudy gobert cry on being snubbed as an all star one time? Lol

[@shockre1119]

@luis mendoza, one out of how many players from Europe played in the NBA.

[@shanebodendorf4793]

​@allen rice seen you copy and paste the same comment on this video 3 times now lol relax dude

[@rogoznicafc9672]

@@luismendoza9502 Yeah but hes French so it doesnt count

[@luismendoza9502]

@@rogoznicafc9672 why doesnt he count? 😂

[@ioanniskarpouzis1024]

Especially when Perkins talks, my mental status declines

[@IllFuNDA455]

😂😂😂

[@anthelcanilao4979]

I'm having difficulty picking between perk and arenas..they're both top tier when saying something stupid..

[@wilee.coyote1841]

Perk is SPECIAL

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

@@anthelcanilao4979 At least Arenas on the court was actually good to watch.

[@chrilpy]

@allen rice because they’re taught how to play basketball as a team player whereas most American kids play for highlights

[@MaskOfCinder]

It’s because of jealousy. Anyone who thinks the league and the press are giving these players props because they are white are literally insane. This is a black dominated sport and all of the top players of all time are black with the exception of Larry Bird. Give these European players their respect.

[@joshportie]

Nah it's their racism

[@genustinca5565]

True. But how is it that in a country with millions of registered white ballers (U.S.), all of the white superstars come from tiny European countries? White American players are usually just spot-up 3-point shooters or hard working bigs. It must be either latent racism in scouting or some form of lack of confidence in white American kids.

[@cycleoflife565]

Jerry West? The damn logo?

[@alphadog3586]

Damn man thank you I've been saying this

[@benitograanoogst2574]

But most of the fans are white. If you put white players on a pedestal, more of the fans will be able to relate.

[@grolstum211]

I think it has to do with a) the fact that these players are not the product of the standard accepted way of highschool into college basketball, which for some reason is glorified in the US b) they do not share the value of arrogance and trashtalking that is also glorified in the US because it creates narratives, thus increased viewership, analysis tv shows and revenue in general. Jokic or Giannis are too humble for Nba standards. So was Dirk or Gasol or Stojakovic. The us culture by default is not one that values humility.

[@soloistdeve]

Do you mean they're not clowns? Damn straight.

[@argo9750]

I think it's about basketball culture on those two continents in general. In USA Basketball is considered one of the 'coolest' sports. I never got that impression growing up in Europe. Might be just my experience, but there was this general mindset that basketball was on the lamer side. There were several much cooler feeling sports like football (soccer), ice hockey and even obscure stuff like floorball that attracted the types of people that tend to play Basketball in the USA. Hell, I encountered more trashtalkers that played chess that ones that played basketball lol, but I suppose that was probably a coincidence.

[@BigmanDogs]

@ar go wouldn't say basketball was seen as less cool than floorball lmao. Generally the prestige of a sport correlates with ease of access + financial backing. Hence why basketball is seen as cool in America and soccer is seen as cool in Europe. If only the rich preppy kids can play the sport, then it's not cool. And if there is no money in it then it's not cool either.

[@argo9750]

@@BigmanDogs I kinda disagree. I am from Czechia and Hockey, one of the most expensive sports, is on par with super cheap football in terms of coolness. Basketball is also quite accessible here. Every gym (school or sokol) is basically a basketball arena. There are outdoor fields too. Granted czechia was never big basketball country, but the sport is seen as basically a PE afair along with that lame kind of volleyball, futsal and floorball. Floorball was by far the most popular and cool feeling of those among my classmates.

[@BigmanDogs]

@ar go The reason why basketball is thought of as lame like those other sports is because there is no money in it.

[@yohannessulistyo4025]

In Europe and the rest of the world, sports are sport. It is very tribal, very traditional, very grass root, players generally play for their home team or the team that raise them - they form some sort of attachment. You rarely see them demanding trades, they are usually traded or simply let their contract expire. A lot of people think too hard about why Dirk stayed forever in Dallas or Italian-born Kobe stay loyal to Lakers and supported his childhood team AC Milan despite them generally sucking hard post Calciopoli scandal. It is not hard to see why Jokic, Doncic, or Giannis stayed in their team - the same with Hakeem, he may have a stint in Raptors, but you always remember him as Rockets. They want to win it with their team instead of flying around the states ring-chasing, kind of meaningless. They rather be like Mehmet "Memo" Okur - still loved and cheered when he returned to Salt Lake City long after retirement. As for why Harden? is embarassing for Harden got CP3, then Westbrook, before finally join forces with KD and Kyrie, then tag along with Embiid cs, yet still ringless. Again, CP3 - that guy "barks a lot" said a lot of NBA veterans. You kinda expect such shit talker to be able to back it up - but that guy just choked everytime it matters. He tag teamed with Blake Griffin, James Harden, Devin Booker, and still didn't get what he needed. In USA, a "professional sport" is a circus, a minstrel, a show, an entertainment - the NBA comes with its media, be it new or old that keeps on producing crap to get people hooked. Shaq says that "you are not rapper, you are an NBA player" about Ja Morant's situation - and he really need to say it, because there is almost no difference between clout-chasing social media influencers or artists and overhyped NBA upstarts. It is a bit like WWE but without the storyline script. As for its dumb media: yeah, freedom of speech is good and all - but it is just a right, not something that you need to constantly exercise to prove that you still have it.

[@Peni_]

Couldn't agree more, Americans don't know what real sports are. Their sports are simply just TV entertainment, full of divas. And the fact that their fans just stop supporting a team when said team is bad is crazy to me

[@jmgonzales7701]

I like the fact that they normally play with their home teams. Or that players from other countries play with the teams in their country.

[@ianh9551]

Do u realize that in 2007 Kobbe tried to leave LA because they didn't give him what he thought was a good enough team to win it all?

[@edvinaskeliotis129]

@@ianh9551 then you would realise, that for almost three years, that LA management have failed to create a decent team around the biggest supperstar in the NBA at that time. Context always matters;)

[@ianh9551]

@@edvinaskeliotis129 Yes. I love Kobbe and have full respect for him; but the comment that im answering kinda says that Kobbe didn't ask for a trade, which is not true. Context always matters. :)

[@soloistdeve]

Aside from the fact that they're racist, they're also jealous of them because Doncic and Jokic are better than them by far. They're also mentally tough, hardened individuals compared to their cuddled asses.

[@jummyran]

Slavs

[@soloistdeve]

@@jummyran It's not just slavs bro. Compared to this last generation of American players, everybody from anywhere looks mentally tougher.

[@jummyran]

@@soloistdeve ya lol but let’s be honest humans of all nations are weaker and softer compared to the boys and girls born early 1900s to 20s of the greatest generations from all over the world. Grew up poor then had to kill one another in the deadliest war humanity ever saw.

[@soloistdeve]

@@jummyran True, it's the way it is. Still, watching these spoiled, filthy rich "professionals" complain about their job, and "pressure" is really disturbing.

[@jummyran]

@@soloistdeve yup

[@SynisterGT]

Joker and Luka both brought teams with no stars on it to the playoffs. There have been many US born superstars that have been in similar situations and they missed playoffs.

[@kuunami]

0:23 I like you put in shots of Draymond Green and Kendrick Perkins bricking shots when you mentioned their names. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LEGENDTHEGOD25]

You mean air balling🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@josephpeeler5434]

Draymond isn't nearly the racist that Perkins is.

[@LEGENDTHEGOD25]

@@josephpeeler5434 blacks can’t be racist we don’t have the power whites have that whites have to oppress people.

[@ribbonsofnight]

@@josephpeeler5434 Draymond would treat anyone badly. He's happy to injure anyone who gets in his way.

[@edwardjones282]

Um, anyone can have hate in their blood. These guys can't even see their own bigotry it is so attached to their psyche.

[@Trancymind]

Perkins is a racist by defending his own race in itself. Me as a hispanic, I don't care about my race background. It is not important and it shouldn't be. I asked a navajo friend of mine, 'Why is race so important to you?' He couldn't give me a straight meaningful answer. Case close. Lol!!

[@cflo1386]

Agreed

[@Trancymind]

@Blaze When people have big egoes they are very insecure about other more important things. My father would brag about how many kids he had but was never a good father, not a good husband nor a role model man. When men brag about masculinity it is called toxic masculinity. Having big pride means you are either rejected, betrayed, bitter, resentment, unforgiving, and have hatred. Black fathers abandoning your own black family is betrayal by not supporting them.

[@YoungSantasGroupie]

This particular type of hate is also sanctioned by the media.

[@Trancymind]

@@YoungSantasGroupie It just shows how american society has gone backwards in general that they are pointing fingers at each other instead of fixing the problem or helping the country progress the right direction.

[@XLgameBRO]

Some of my favorite players were from overseas. Andrei Kirilenko, Hedo Turkoglu, Peja Stojakovich, Mark Gasol, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, Hakeem Olajuwon. The league is global. And that's a good thing.

[@Shlongclock]

ITS EUROPEAN SHUT UP!!!!!! FOR YEARS WE HAD TO LIVE IN THE SHADOW, NOW WE TAKE OVER THE WOOOOORLD!!!! My greatgrandparents where Nazis if you havent figured

[@shemgilbert1991]

Tim is from the states bro

[@mutt8553]

@@shemgilbert1991 Tim is from the US Virgin Islands, not exactly the states

[@shemgilbert1991]

@@mutt8553 I mean he's listed as us on good wiki and he played for team USA

[@misterinternational1739]

Don’t forget Schrempf, Petrovic, Marčiulionis, and Parker

[@VinceLyle2161]

It's because of their style of play. Team-oriented, great passing, a lot of misdirection, which can tend to make opponents look like chumps, even when they're playing great defense. Nobody likes looking like a fool, and when Jokic threads the needle and creates a layup by passing through three defenders, he makes American-born players look foolish. And that's a problem when 3/4 of players in the NBA are part of a certain group of people. Respect is a commodity for them, and making all their effort look foolish is construed as a lack of respect. A guy like me (who doesn't look like the majority of NBA players) watches Luka and Jokic and thinks, "Wow. These guys are a joy to watch. That's how I like to see basketball being played."Someone who does look like the majority of NBA players might watch the same play and get angry, thinking it was a deliberate slap in the face. This is probably what's behind Kendrick Perkins' takes. He sees Euro players as interlopers, but so long as they were relatively ineffective like Toni Kukoc or overshadowed by Americans like Manu Ginobili, it was fine. But Luka and Jokic are bona fide stars, leaders of their teams. And I think Perkins isn't alone in thinking basketball kind of belongs to Americans, and specifically to Americans who look like him. It's too bah he feels that way. I personally never watch the guy, except for snippets on these videos. I'd be willing to bet Jokic and Luka don't either. These guys don't seem like they set out to make themselves unhappy. They play ball as long as they can, get paid, go home to their families, and then get ready for the next season where they do it all again.

[@alessiobaccetti2235]

toni kukoc is a playmaker of 2.07 in europe , in usa basket are more rought of europe in age of dirty boys of detroit , now is less contact jokic and luke are facilitate

[@MelvinLew]

Kendrick Perkins is an overt racist and makes no attempt to hide it. If he were white, he would be unemployed. Shaq and Chuck acknowledge how good Jokic and Doncic are as players for their respective teams and the NBA in general.

[@AleksAvramJeff]

Giannis put pressure on himself before any media outlet out there started talking and he won a Championship while playing for a smaller franchise. Jokic has a different personality and playstyle but he's at the very least as much competitive as the next guy, though he's also after all said and done, playing for a smaller franchise. It's not that complicated, smaller town means less pressure. Plus if you want to make a case of him being an underwhelming MVP, he really doesn't care about it at all and specially not when compared to the MVPs of the past. Denver and Jokic simply can't have as much pressure on them to win a championship in comparison to a big team that is full of great marketing options and with multiple all-star players, the Clippers should have more pressure to win a championship just because they are from LA and because they got Leonard, George and now even Westbrook!

[@duuhwinning6589]

I think euro players or euro play style uses angles and more non physical basketball iq.... these euro players are picking angles and slowing the game down ! It's hard to use spacing, angles, and generally a different pace to throw players off that over exert on useless plays, thinking they are making plays.... also coaches influenced by pay rates and the franchise to play certain players and in certain ways. The fix is definitely in.

[@unnwas]

It's pretty simple. In the past 15 years American superstars have been team-hopping to win a ring, they themselves are adding to the pressure of winning a ring before their talents fade-out, meanwhile you have 4 foreign superstars sticking to the same team since the beginning of their careers patiently building a culture there and waiting for the team to build around them, it's not the same. This might change if Luka gets too upset with the Mavs and demands a trade in the next few years though.

[@ellamedic8963]

So are we now allowed to claim institutionalized racism in NBA? 😂

[@vamoneygroup]

Well the institution in this case changed the rules to benefit Europeans. Because they are naturally terrible at defense.

[@orieLab_]

@@vamoneygroup europeans are bad at defense? you have never watched a fiba game did you? it's okay, it's considered normal to be racist towards europeans by nba standards

[@joshportie]

It's called racism. When you foster antiwhite racism for decades and encourage and reward the behavior people tend to become more vocal about it.

[@jamesbush1008]

If the joker were black, this wouldn't even be a topic.

[@davidmartinez52420]

People have been openly anti-white for years, it's just becoming more mainstream with more platforms for it.

[@Romanus-]

Yep being anti white is totally acceptable these days. Eventually people are going to have enough of it and it won’t be good

[@batman9512]

Bingo.

[@stevenstivers5259]

EXACTLY!!!!

[@tmd9569]

All I know is if Jokic win mvp and a chip this year it's gon make him look like a straight G

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

😂😂 he can't win the chip.

[@tmd9569]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 nah he can't

[@cristian49537]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409I guess you was right 😂

[@soloistdeve]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bonjouritsready]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409L

[@johnmellos9946]

Giannis and Jokic have rings. Heavy rings because they were loyal to their team, and won in a smaller market. It's harder to get 1 in a smaller market rather than changing teams every 2/3 years.

[@vj-cs6ql]

It's interesting enough: US calls every their sport game finals "WORLD series" - without ANY participation of the teams from the rest of the world. And now - European basketball players are the problem. Why? Less money for players from the hood?

[@stevenstivers5259]

Perfect comment....the US in general are so full of themselves...I live in the US and enjoy when we get knocked off the proverbial pedestal...🤔🤔

[@cycleoflife565]

The NBA actively looked to expand their product and talent pool to draw from internationally. The issue is territorial more than racial. Pride in your country’s talent versus other country’s is universal, especially when the media feeds the “us versus them” conflict. If a racial slant does exist it is within the NBA hierarchy seeing a huge shortage of white stars in the league with their audience consisting of a high percentage of white fans and their only pool of white players having to come from overseas and to much lesser extent, Canada.

[@-ac-8296]

@@cycleoflife565 So might you claim the NBA hierarchy are doing to affect the game with regards to your claim that they see a shortness of white stars? I see an insinuation made but no details

[@charlieradar]

Ridiculous take. The World Series is MLB and there are players of many nationalities, from all over the world. SMH

[@wilee.coyote1841]

​@@charlieradar baseball is played in many countries, calling the US game World Ch. is not only false( since there are more leagues around the world), but is arrogant. In real football there's Champions League, in which the best teams play and the final is not called World Club Finals. However, there's a World Ch. in which the winners from ALL CONTINENTS PLAY for the title of Worl Team Champion.

[@lilliamvazquez1572]

I notice something about Jokic, other European players, Tim Duncan, Ginobili, etc. Their self-esteem and security about their selves are so high....they don't need to hear every second, every minute, every hour, every day ....how great they are.

[@yesjumper77]

Manu G is Argentinian brother

[@alexodell7182]

for me, as long as I enjoy watching you idc if you’re black white European or whatever

[@Reefer-Rampage69]

Same man, we are all the same anyways! We just wanna hoop 🏀

[@jummyran]

@@juicifercoppinson1570 because he was good. He wanted the fastest on him which are usually black guys like mj.

[@mohamedmaiza3866]

To be fair Perkins and Green are not exactly known for quality takes

[@ryubatsoy2268]

I love how Perk and Draymond were introduced...both airballing😂😂😂

[@Peanutdenver]

Their opinions on today's NBA are similar to that of a platypus's on geopolitics....It makes zero sense.

[@ribbonsofnight]

It's really not fair because they usually shoot a lot better than they share intelligent opinions.

[@unchboy]

Euro players are fundamentaly sound and cerebral. They play like the 80s and 90s.

[@markula_4040]

Maybe it's jealousy? I mean, you could argue 4 of the top 5 players (Giannis, Jokic, Luka, Embiid) right now are foreign born, something that seemed unfathomable a decade or 2 ago.

[@iguessso1790]

That's definitely the reason. Americans always want to be the best, they can never take second place. It's pathetic honestly

[@mosessupposes2571]

Nah, the whole world is against Black people, that’s what it is.

[@Shmancyfancy536]

I 100% think thats it. The US needs to step it up.

[@jshudo44]

In the case of Jokic, the man was a 2nd round pick. He never came in with high expectations.

[@Boredoutofmywits]

Joker and Luka "act white" so they aren't liked, Giannis made the capital sin of "acting white" being black, this is why he got all the hate.

[@tonyreyes8315]

Because it's in the nature of bullies to be racist or xenophobic when they feel they have any opening to express it. Isn't it draymond ?

[@mosessupposes2571]

Nah, the whole world is against Black people, that’s what it is.

[@AgentSeventyOne]

The hate Giannis got was insane, I couldn't believe some of the people saying Middleton deserved Finals MVP lol. They clearly missed the part of the game where Giannis busted a 50-point triple-double lol. I think Embiid can still truly be the best big man in the game. I don't dispute his MVP, he had a great year worthy of that type of recognition. I just wished he played like a big man, we've all seen him dominate in the post... why not do it more or a lot.

[@boubou75013]

“The distinctive character of the North American is vulgarity in all its forms: moral, intellectual, aesthetic and social; and not only in private life, but also in public life: she does not abandon the Yankee, let him do as he pleases. » A. Schopenhauer. Posthumous fragments.

[@markandrade7547]

Now you know why Larry Legend said something to the effect that the media can write whatever they want because he doesn't read it. As long as the players are doing their job, who cares what drama the media tries to hype up.

[@alexmg1439]

First humble experience for talents in Europe is when they promote them at young age to the grow up team and second humble experience for them is that the fans make then know that they pay their wage and if they want them out of the team they are out. Fans are the gangs in Europe you don't mess up with them. Players like Simmons and Ja doing things like that is dangerous in Europe. Ultras and hooligans will make their life hell.

[@manwerama]

I have a theory that those pundits agree on the positions they're going to hold about every given issue before the season and no matter what happens, they stick to it.

[@joaomarveloso1049]

They are actors. They are given roles.

[@teodosic1995]

Because jokic is jebing all usrane amere

[@Kimeikus]

@@joaomarveloso1049 ☝🏾

[@VinceLyle2161]

WWE is more honest.

[@manwerama]

@@joaomarveloso1049 Basically, yeah.

[@Scisca1a2a]

0:23 nothing but net from Perk and Green xD Love that, it sums up exactly what I think about their takes. Giannis got so much heat for years and even months after he won the chip, it was insane. Luka is easily overachieving for his age, he will enter this convo in 4-5 years if he doesn't win it in this time. Joker finally has a competitive roster, so it's his first attempt at winning it all - lets watch and see how he does, the pressure is just starting for him. Putting these guys on par with CP3 and Harden, who can already smell retirement is ridiculous. Shows how insecure Perk and Green are about "their boys".

[@JB-hl4fp]

They like you when you are as equal but not when your are above them

[@HummingbirdCyborg]

Perkins said he was 1-9 in the last two playoffs, but ignored that he won the first round series against the Blazers. They lost both times to the eventual conference champs.

[@enzorocha2977]

Sports Media is just there to stir the pot. I remember during one old interview, Mark Cuban point-blank asked Stephen A, "what's the purpose of the zone defense?" Now at this point of their discussion, Stephen A was already on Cuban's case, ragging him about something with the Maverick's gameplay (you know how that looks like if you've watched a few SA interviews). So what was SA's answer? Nothing. He stopped for a sec, dumbfounded. He couldn't tell Cuban what the zone defense was for if his life was on the line, and his lack of basic basketball knowledge really showed. That's when I knew SA and his kind are just there to be agitators of whatever subject fancies them. So I take the bombastic sports media headlines with a grain of salt. They're not making me click, watch, listen, read anything they have to say. That's why after a few minutes watching this, I zoned and peaced out lol

[@Fabs0815]

You're rated by your words. Nowitzki, Nash and Jokic never was running their mouth how good they are and put themselves on the top of the league. There is no need to hate or rant on them, because they're just ballin on a very high level. When you take Ja Morant as an example, who said we would "cook" MJ, the expectations are automatically high. Do your best on the court and shut your mouth in the media. You can talk when you achieved something. A championship per example. And not as a role player, like Draymond.

[@Crono454]

Dirk was under immense pressure to win it back in the day.

[@g412bb]

Lol "Draymond says..." Naugh said...

[@prinztlogan6291]

They out there embarrassing them. A ego thing

[@dailyfb5481]

Harder and cp3 have more pressure on them to win a chip because their career is literally coming to an end jokic and luka are still young af and have entire careers ahead of them, they could still win a chip 5 years from now but harden and cp3 will be retired by then that’s why they have more pressure, they have like a few more seasons to get a chip or they’ll have a ringless nba career, luka and jokic still have like 10+ years to win chips

[@diavoloucraino]

Because they feel threatened by them, obviously. This is only going to ramp up further if Wembanyama lives up to the hype too.

[@davidaguirremolins]

Main reason is esthetic. USAs favourite basketball is the playground 1vs5; the "lets dribble like kyrie irving, not to get closer to the rim, but to shot 3 points like curry". European players are more into the 5vs5, which is less flashy, but is more beautiful on the long run (imo). Of course, this is only a generalization. 80s Celtics and 2000s Spurs were very "european". And Luka is European, but he does a lot of that individual "dribble and 3point"

[@IllFuNDA455]

They cannot accept that they are a better player

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

If they were better player they'd win a championship.

[@donput2246]

​@@micahjohnsonboxing6409and now dark svinja?

[@gggamut]

You also have to factor in the market. No one expects small market teams other than SA back in the day to win rings. Look at Dame in Portland. He's committed to Portland and there is no pressure to bring a title there. Because some people can have realistic expectations.

[@iuseutube89]

I think it depends on the team situation, championship windows closing. Like for CP3 and Harden. They’re teams might win in the next few years, but their time being a driving force is likely coming to an end. Team situation matters too, dame is better than both those guys this year, but isn’t listed as Portland is not sniffing the WCF. Luka, Tatum, Jokic and I would say Embiid are next as they are young players whose next step is to win

[@nolanscripture]

The age of the players obviously played more of a part in SAS's list than nationality or skin color. Of course you'll feel more pressure to win when you're in your mid to late 30s, especially if you haven't won a ring yet.

[@taterpuddin2592]

Kendrick Perkins gives throw away opinions. "He's 1-8, or 1-9 for that matter in the playoffs." As somebody who was even at the low level he was at in the NBA, you'd think he'd know 1-9 in the playoffs isn't possible.

[@gggamut]

Dray talking like there's pressure on him to win a ring... as if there ever was... hahahahahahahaha!

[@yanncarduner4516]

great comment!

[@meekmeads]

He lucky he was drafted by Warriors.

[@housesavagemafia7504]

@@meekmeads honestly He was lucky

[@ribbonsofnight]

Why not more pressure on him to clean up his act.

[@B00MR0ASt3D]

First video I’ve seen of yours out of dozens without taking a shot at LeBron and it turned out great

[@eazy-e8085]

Draymond would bash his own mother if she looked a little more differently than him

[@fobinc]

Kendrick Perkins giving Nick Wrong a run for his money on ESPN for terrible takes.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

Lack of trash talk culture is a big big factor. Not only does America have a sporting culture of arrogance (particularly prevalent within the NBA and a few other sports), it's coupled with a focus on individual ability. Europe doesn't have either in quite the same way, partly because of a different social culture across the continent and partly because Europe is very much a football first region. This has two consequences, first the players have grown up playing a sport that has significantly less prestige and general public interest, and two, because football is so global, the most popular sport on earth and of all time, the sporting culture is less given to cockiness because of sheer competitiveness. When you have such a massive player pool you cannot succeed ever thinking you deserve anything or are better than you are. There'll just be another guy as good as you with a mindset more conducive to improvement and hardwork.

[@Shmancyfancy536]

It’s literally marketing. Marketers just want to shove any product they can in a recognizable super stars hand.

[@Jon-xc3ns]

man I remember how they bashed Dirk before 2011, sh't was brutal and Draymond Green has the audacity to say bs like that? also it's not like he has the biggest pressure on his team, I'd even argue that klay and wiggins have more pressure to perform than him

[@PaTrickRTreat]

Luka is only 24 years old. Plenty of time.

[@Tazmo99]

And to make that Draymond quote even more ridiculous, he and Gilbert Arenas went on to say that ”Jayson Tatum shouldn’t be on this list” JT is a year older than Luka, but Luka should be on that list? Come on Dray

[@Loquacious_Jackson]

Worst MVP in 35 years? That didnt age well 😂😂😂

[@tromboneman4517]

It never had a chance to age, because that was a dumb take.

[@hansjanko7966]

Basketball is a team sport. One player can make a difference, but will never win a championchip all by its own. Neither did Jordan, Bird, 'Magic' nor Chamberlain or Russel. They were always surrounded by other highly gifted players.

[@dipe6376]

I love the fact that the media also rates people like tmac based on talent not accomplishments which makes no no sense the goal of the sport is to win or try to win

[@cycleoflife565]

TMac’s career was compromised by injuries. Had he been in this current era where freedom of star player movement and teaming up with other stars has become the norm, there is no telling what he could have accomplished. His talent was undeniable.

[@LPjunemark]

​@@cycleoflife565 nah he was noy injured in the playoffs when he is playing

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

Media presents this simplistic superstar centered infantile understanding of basketball, forgetting that it's a team game, and then is mad when their manufactured superstars dont win the rings. Often mutiple of them from different teams each, in the same season, which is of course impossible, but that doesn't stop the media from bitching.

[@afroemokid]

I'm curious to see how Perk and all those Jokic haters will react if the Nuggs win it all this season. It'd be hilarious how they gonna switch up quick 🤣 Idc what anyone says and I know the west is stacked rn so it's gonna be tough but I'm rooting for Denver to win!

[@aquatazer]

Good news for Denver fans (me), our championship window is pretty wide. Even if the super-Suns win it this year with KD, they’re getting old.

[@-ac-8296]

They might start taking credit that they provided the motivation that was needed, seen that before

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

They definitely won't win.

[@afroemokid]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 But if they do tho... Anything is possible at this point. It's anyone's game.

[@Primitive_Code]

Nuggets aren't good enough to win because of their bad defense. Suns won't win either since Durant injury. It'll be Clippers, Warriors or Grizzlies. 2 out of 3 of them will make conference finals.

[@alarrim29574]

It makes way more sense for an 30 year old harden with no rings and Chris’s Paul who also doesn’t have a ring to be under more pressure than a young luka and a prime jokic who has very valid reasons for not winning rings the last couple rings

[@-ac-8296]

Jokic doesn't have anywhere near a championship calibre team if he isn't on it

[@cycleoflife565]

How many mvp candidates play on teams that would be championship contenders without them?

[@-ac-8296]

@@cycleoflife565 Well 1. this is in reply to a statement made in the video and 2. my point is Jokic is making the team look far better than the sum of the rest of its parts. To answer your question specifically I don't think any team necessarily would win a ring without their mvp candidate but I know of teams (such as the Bucks) that would be at least playoff calibre unlike the Nuggets

[@dudeabides23]

Also the first year he's had any help at all since the bubble.

[@cycleoflife565]

@@-ac-8296 Being playoff caliber isn’t the same as being an actual contender for a title. That was what I was addressing.

[@-ac-8296]

@@cycleoflife565 so do you feel satisfied that you argued a point that wasn't made in the first place?

[@hmp01]

that narrative that he is a playoff choker is one of the most frustrating things I have ever read in my life, dude had incredible stat lines against golden state grabbing over 20 rebounds and dishing over 15 assists in that matchup and then I see on a degenerated facebook a picture of a narrative that he is a choker in playoffs, they are doing everything they can to trash this man's name it so disheartening to witness

[@markandrade7547]

I'd like to see an NBA team owner create a European player only team. European players play better team basketball than American players.

[@kerstonbrock6071]

Draymond Green said that joker is number four so that one should be put out of your European players that’s not catching flack for not winning the title cause Draymond Green didn’t say he wasn’t getting flack. He just said Luke was not kitchen black he’s not even on the list.

[@captainspirou]

I think it's really interesting that 9 out of the last 15 MVPs did not play college basketball

[@Londronable]

More into soccer but playing amateur until 21-22 just seems like bad for development.

[@bbg147]

Why does the media feel the need to create pressure on players to win? Other than to justify itself and sell ads obviously. And why would players justify that supposed pressure and complain about who is feeling the heat? The pressure to perform comes from the players themselves and coaches and the club, end of discussion.

[@RwandaBob]

jealousy and racism. it’s time to call black americans out for how blatantly racist they are against anyone who’s not black and/or american. why do these pundits have these takes? bc they think their audience is mostly black, and they’re saying what they think they want to hear.

[@taterpuddin2592]

"You think Chris Paul has pressure to win a championship when he's a top 5 guard about to retire and never has gotten one? What about the white guy whos been in the leage 4 years?????" Perkins point summed up

[@wilfredgonzales3260]

Kind of odd they trash the joker but they ride Lebron when it’s obvious he is stat padding and because he is doing that, the laker will not make the playoffs. Funny they don’t say anything about that. They trash anyone who is a mvp level player unless it’s Lebron and sometimes curry. If it was for Giannis or the joker , those teams wouldn’t be shit. And with their self proclaimed “goat” Lebron, he can’t even make the playoffs after winning his weak championship in 2020. Lebron is good but why not talk the reality about him at the same time you are bashing players who are doing better than Lebron and AD. Lebron is ruining the lakers with the stat padding and not one mention of it. But they bash Jokic for average a triple double while being #1 in the west? Just insane 🤦‍♂️

[@hiphopotamus69]

There is this condescending attitude a lot of the media has towards a lot of European players when they don’t slander them for playoff failures the way they slander American players. They definitely think those European players aren’t actually as good as the Americans so we don’t expect playoff success from them.

[@jeffreybonner6895]

Draymon was trying to make it a race thing.

[@salgarcia8021]

In the words of South park.Park.. "They took our jobs"

[@patashnik1654]

How is luka under pressure to win a chip if his team is nowhere near being a serious contender to win a chip

[@Torgo1969]

0:50 Hey Green, "feelings" are like assholes. Everybody's got one.

[@terkish6203]

Wish i could deck one of my coworkers and get the same pass as draymond

[@euLIRIC]

Perkins talks as if his IQ is South of 90 so I don't get why people keep bothering with his takes .

[@stevesetzer3361]

A foreign player will be a 3-time MVP....so...... is this really a thing?

[@ghstrdio]

loving all the shade in this video ❤

[@alphadog3586]

Let's be real the NBA is by far the most predominantly black professional sports league and the only league where a majority of the all time greats are black, so I do believe some black players feel some type of way seeing these white European players coming in and getting all these accolades and spotlight the NBA has been a black man's league for decades now and these white Euros coming over and succeeding is most likely evoking jealousy amongst some.

[@micahjohnsonboxing6409]

They aren't succeeding. Luka and Jokic haven't won titles.

[@Ok-oo2kh]

Dude all sports or any enternaiment industries in america is predominantly blacks, why!? 1.Most of 90% black americans teens want work in enternaiment industries and less than 1% of whites americans want. 2.The system there make easy to blacks work there.

[@matejfele9971]

@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 The titles are negligible. The action on the court is what matters and that's where Joker and Luka shine.

[@hardybryan]

Embiid got a pass because everyone blamed Simmons, which was honestly fair. If he doesn't at least make the ECF this year, it'll get loud fast, unless Harden goes Harden in the playoffs and takes all the blame.

[@johntrujillo2968]

Until very recently, European stars have been role players. Pressure is not on role players to win championships. Teams that win have at least 3 superstars and usually have their 6th man better than starters across the league.

[@Kikos_P.A.I.N.]

On point as usual.

[@mjsup1]

I think they're trolling to get a reaction if we'd just ignore them they'd go away but we don't so looking forward to more ridiculousness.

[@Damtan01]

that is not how the world works. if you ignore them and they get away without consequences, they will increase this madnes next time. They do so until they get punished. Like children. If you let them do what they want, you are raising devils.

[@mjsup1]

@@Damtan01 I disagree if it's harmful to people yes, if it's not your just giving it power.

[@Garoslol]

Bringing race into something isn trolling. Especially in the US any sane sports media person stays away from that topic.

[@mjsup1]

@@Garoslol Sure it is they know it'll get people's attention. We give it power so they use it. Struggling to get people to watch their content so they have to come up with something to get people's attention.

[@Garoslol]

@@mjsup1 Yeah but the race topic is like a car crash where people cant look away. Its just the modern way of to create outrage and click. I doubt you can ever remove that power from it. I wish it was just trolling.

[@renovo56]

Perk played 16 years in the NBA and scored a little over 4000 points, that says it all.

[@aleksandarstojanovski9193]

the nba media and players were always xenophobic. it just seems more pronounced nowadays because euro players generally keep their mouths shut and do their job on the court. the US players are more concerned with talking shit, flashing guns on instagram, max contracts, load management, strip clubs, rap videos, being gangsters etc. anything but the game they are paid exorbitant amounts of money to play. its not really racism but a culture thing. they even managed to hate on giannis who is the ultimate rags to riches story if there was ever one.

[@Darkmountaindweller]

Giannis was attacked consistently from all sides until he shut them up with a ring

[@nonyabiz3874]

THE CRYING NEVER STOPS !

[@constantinschutz4978]

Why does the US media put more pressure on US players to do well, is that a serious question?

[@Romanus-]

We all know why.

[@samraizshoaib585]

1:00 very simple reasoning. Hardens a notorious playoff choker and has never won despite great teams. He's got a lot of pressure on him for that reason. CP3 has choked the most 2-0 leads of all time and has never won in a very long career. Hence pressure. Jokic has won back to back MVPs but hasn't won a ring yet. Again pressure. He's also played significant time. Luka is young, has a bad team, hasn't had a star around till now, hasn't won an MVP etc. Hence almost no pressure.

[@theycallmerex4589]

I dont really think dramond is complaining about foreign players, he's talking about how he dosnt understand how the media over the years haven't pushed forgien players to win a chip. In his tweet he litterly says "European players have not caught the same flak..." I'm pretty sure he's not talking about Eu players as in them personally but in the fact that the media and other outlets aren't pushing the player's IE jokic a "almost" guaranteed 3 time mvp who hasn't made it far in the playoffs yet. and other players as well. Think he's more calling out media outlets and steven a for not having them higher or on thier list at all for needing to win a championship or doing better in the playoffs. He isn't "HATING" on the forign players hes hating on the media that they arnt held to the same standarded of flame / trashing as they american players.

[@ektran4205]

the american basketball media/players only supports players who went through the american basketball developmental system

[@cycleoflife565]

@@ektran4205 These international players are being voted mvp, to all star teams and all NBA by somebody. They are receiving recognition from coaches, players, media and the fans.

[@matteoorlandi856]

Honestly it think it's about sportsmanshipp and sport culture. Here you won't see ANY player in ANY sport (football excluded) to qestion the coach or, way worse, the referee. Nope, no screams, no questions, no protests... no trashtalking, no "fights"... the core of the game it's not the player, it's the team, and the training to play as a team. Victory is reached by the players WHEN they are part of AN efficent team. And every coach should be alle to squeeze the player he as as well as possible. It think that's the difference.

[@bagles2366]

Perkins is literally racist😅

[@Winamp_]

7:55 well im not a basketball guy or so, but holy moly what a travel move that was! HAHA!!

[@jonbridge6442]

That's like saying japan didn't add to the MLB. Makes the game better to bring the world's finest together. However.

[@ektran4205]

uncut do a video on the club basketball academy developmental vs the american basketball developmental system