Why Do You Believe Your Own Beliefs? | Christopher-AZ | Talk Heathen 05.26

[@adabsurdum5905]

Scientists always introduce themselves by saying "I'm a scientist"

[@TheNewcastleKnight]

People are not going to detect you sarcasm

[@ALTDOK667]

@@TheNewcastleKnight Speak for yourself, my friend. I also detected a missing r.

[@adabsurdum5905]

@@TheNewcastleKnight "Hello. I am big brained scientist from prestigious University. I have done a science, and boy let me tell you, it's God. Believe you me, none of puny humans know anything, but also, I know actual truth. What is presupposition?"

[@shanewilson7994]

Generally when I talk to someone who is a scientist and I ask what they are, they tend to be "I'm a chemist, or theoretical physicist who works on X, or I'm a biologist." I've never met one that actually just says "I'm a scientist."

[@TheNewcastleKnight]

@@ALTDOK667 I know. But still. You watch. There will be people who don't get the sarcasm. Just a boring prediction by me.

[@freddan6fly]

"I am a scientist and I used to be an atheists" - two lies in the first sentence, way to go Cris.

[@jasondaniels640]

This.

[@JanetStarChild]

That.

[@jasondaniels640]

Facts.

[@kaihedgie1747]

It's Xeno again

[@jasondaniels640]

beLIEve it man.

[@Bag_monkey]

Someone who introduces himself as a "scientist" immediately flashes a warning light

[@weirdwilliam8500]

I’ve never heard an actual scientist describe themselves as a “scientist.” Ever. They say microbiologist, or physical chemist, or paleontologist, etc. This immediately raised a red flag.

[@suzannahdarcy6903]

Exactly! I would have stopped him right there and asked what kind of scientist he is and where he works

[@Boris99999]

@@suzannahdarcy6903 Well, the BS-kind. You know, just like Chemist-Scientist Morris Pendelton and “Dr. Dino”

[@cmack17]

"I'm a scientist" ~Christopher 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@geezzerboy]

He probably has a degree in Ufology.

[@shanewilson7994]

I so love that he's like "I'm not doing presup" and then turns right around and pulls presup out of his ass. And I seriously doubt Christopher was a scientist.

[@ericwilliams1659]

He is a scientist like I am skinny and woman find me attractive.

[@markwoods4439]

I seriously doubt if he was an atheist!!

[@Boris99999]

@@ericwilliams1659 Don’t be too harsh to yourself - there are women that love chubby guys. I’m talking from experience!^_^

[@Wes-x9p]

I always wonder how all those press ideas got so far up their asses?

[@Wes-x9p]

@@ericwilliams1659 Some skinny women are attractive.

[@Pohgrey]

Telling someone you're a scientist then going off the rails about science is a great way to demonstrate what you don't know.

[@nex_1ne]

I'm a scientist, let me name you these fancy words I found 2 hours ago.

[@michaelreindel6975]

A “scientist” who doesn’t know what fields they study (or, indeed, what science actually *is*…)? …and that was just their opening statement. LOL? (It went went downhill from there.)

[@lynettekomidar2819]

As soon as he said 'I am a scientist' lolol. Who says that. I have many friends with BS Degrees, I have never heard them say this once, not once

[@robertprakigam2694]

I'm getting Darth Dawkins vibes from this guy

[@jeffhough7460]

Yup

[@tomjackson7755]

With a hint of Kent Hovind.

[@ericwilliams1659]

Very much

[@robertprakigam2694]

@Atheistmoms Rchimps yeah man I ain't got time to read all that. I hope it made you feel better though!

[@ericwilliams1659]

@Atheistmoms Rchimps tl:dr special pleadings, strawman fallacy, ad hominem, a couple of spelling errors. There I shortened it for you.

[@austinhernandez2716]

"I am a scientist" I was suspicious at that point

[@nagranoth_]

Sure, he's a "scientist"... yet he thinks "faith" is a better and REAL grounding for beliefs than evidence...

[@reginaldrogersjr9292]

It reminds me of Half Baked. "Hello Janitor". "Hello Scientist".

[@ummmno3871]

I was looking for this comment before I made it lol

[@MAR1N4M1]

When conversations start like this, it's almost always a setup. 🤦‍♂️

[@guytheincognito4186]

When have it Not been XD

[@stevethecatcouch6532]

Every time I wake up I'm not dead. Gravity pulls things downward. My hands are still attached to my arms at my wrists. Yeah, reality checks out. Belief system confirmed.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@Atheistmoms Rchimps It's the same every morning wether you have male or female sex chromosomes or an odd combination of both to some degree.

[@Wes-x9p]

I was dead for billions of years before I was born and it did not bother me in the least.

[@jackstevenson4679]

"I'm a Scientist" lol. Yeah me too buddy.

[@John_Demarco]

Here's the short version: Theist: What is the justification for your beliefs? Atheist: Facts. Atheist: What is the justification for YOUR beliefs? Theist: My beliefs.

[@shanewilson7994]

Our brains are adaptive, but here's the thing, in order to survive, having a somewhat accurate view of the world is a beneficial thing. Someone who views the reality in a more accurate way is going to probably have a survival advantage over someone who doesn't.

[@hayuseen6683]

When someone starts using “True” outside logic I get itchy. How would someone even prove an objective, true perception of reality exists... there is only evidence of subjective understanding no matter how much Truth people need to exist. Some want a neat clean way to slice things but our reality is a messy stew.

[@walnutoil100]

@@hayuseen6683 . there is only evidence of subjective understanding no matter how much Truth people need to exist. - Is this an objectively true statement?

[@hayuseen6683]

@@walnutoil100 Oh snap my entire understanding of the universe and my relationship to it folded in on itself from wordplay, Ya Got Me(TM). Have a youtube donut, it's jelly filled. No, it isn't an objective statement, because objective and subjective are false binaries. Additionally there are no concrete statements, only your perception of them, as words without a listener are merely noise. No objective statements exist, but accurate ones do. Accuracy varies. As do perceptions of their intended communication.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@hayuseen6683 I generally only use true in limited situations, mostly because I'm a bit on the overly pedantic side.

[@DrowSorcerer]

self declared ex atheists always have this rare tendency to not having even the most basic notion of what being atheist is, beyond a couple of very suspiciously stereotypical strawmen

[@iancastor69]

He knows philosophy isn't a science, right?

[@freddan6fly]

Well, he didn't know philosophy either. I think it counts as science, just not a hard one.

[@iancastor69]

@@freddan6fly well, I can't agree with that, it can be hard, particularly with all the people you have read and know about, but I'm not sure it's science, since much of it can't be backed up by evidence.

[@freddan6fly]

@@iancastor69 In high school we studied logic & syllogism in both mathematics and philosophy and that at least is science. But In my opinion most of philosophy is BS.

[@brianlaroche8856]

The phylisopy of science is a tool. But not a rulebook that lets scientist wedge any free pass road to claim whatever presup as .... you name it ?

[@Khonflict34]

@@freddan6fly philosophy is logical and critical thinking. That is why your atheist scientist are so horrible with it, because they lack common sense, and I mean that as nicely as possible (because we have all been fooled or believed in something foolish before (like common ancestry). When you break things down into premise form, it becomes quite easy, as only objective thought can be entered into it (done correctly). For instance, the reason atheist leaders are so far off the mark, is because the always start off with a false premise. For instance, all of the Meme's you see "schooling" Christianity, is misinformation spread intentionally or unintentionally, because you all never do your own research, but just trust in some random dude telling you not to believe in Christianity, that claims to "know" the Bible. It is rather ridiculous in fact that you would turn to atheist leaders for doctrine in scripture. I mean, do you call a hair stylist to rebuild your engine, or do you go to a mechanic? Sadly, these people who are telling you they are freeing you, is the complete opposite (as Satan is the opposite of truth) because only Jesus can set one free. Yet, you all obey and listen to Satan, and drink it in (I am definitely guilty of this in the past, so I am no better in fact) while Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Do you really think these people that are making millions to spread lies and discord, care anything about you? While you drink it in, and suffer in your iniquities, they are "living the life" (at least for now), but guess who will still answer for it? You, for not believing God's word, as all will be judged and "ignorance" is not a waiver. The only difference in a child of God, and a Child of Satan is who your faith is in, and if you are showing love. Those who deny themselves by understanding they cannot earn salvation, as it only comes through our faith in Jesus Christ, and have received the Holy Spirit are no longer held by the law, but are covered under grace. That showing love to one another and being held righteous for your faith in Jesus, makes you a child of God as we are to cast all of our burdens and everything onto Jesus, as it is a free gift, and nothing we have done should anyone try to boast. If you believe in Jesus Christ, in the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, be baptized. God Bless

[@SchrodingersCatlive]

I could tell immediately that he was lying.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Everyone can XD

[@2l84me8]

"I'm a scientist" gives off "my dad works at Nintendo" vibes.

[@wunnell]

I have a degree in Chemistry. That doesn't make me a scientist. I have my doubts that the caller even has that much, never mind being a working scientist.

[@billmcdonald4335]

Hmm. Starts with "I'm a scientist. . .", proceeds to whip up a big ol' bowl o' word salad. Betcha "I'm a scientist. . ." translates to "I Google random stuff in a semi-random, bias-driven way."

[@Khonflict34]

As apposed to you not knowing common ancestry has never been proven through scientific method? It seems you do not even use google, but just copy what other people have to say, and believe you are smart because of it. I am not attempting to be mean here, as I am just a straight shooter. How do you explain life from non-life? What about the problem in thermodynamics? What about the 30 year E.coli experiment (Google it) that actually ended up disproving macro evolution, as it proved de-evolution (and there are new studies being done now over that. I can explain it quite simply for you. These ancient bacteria were used in the name of fitness (speed) to try to prove macro evolution, by simulating deep time through various environments. At the beginning, the study showed increases in fitness (first 6 or so years if I recall correctly). Yet, after all of the ancient bacteria was introduced, the results dropped off significantly. Imagine a racecar, being stripped of it's parts (DNA) as it goes through these various environments, that force an increase in fitness, but again, to do this, they have to shed information. Yet, it is stripped down, including the steering wheel, for this speed to where all you have is the engine, tires, and undercarriage/frame, yet you no longer can control where it goes. Now, imagine you are driving this car and you are placed back into a previous environment (say, cold weather), but uh oh!, you already removed the doors and heater and everything needed to survive in the environment in the name of fitness. The study ceased shortly after this "pandemic", and truthfully, who would want to keep dumping money into an experiment that is destined to die from shedding so much information. Another way to look at it, is by looking at the poodle or any other "pure bred" dog. Pure bred does not mean what you may think it means, as it literally means you will always get a poodle. Why? because, the poodle no longer has all of the information from it's ancestor the wolf, or the in between variations that may have come from breeding (which still to this day wolves can mate with dogs). So, not matter, there is only the poodle information left in the dog, and it will never change into anything else, because it lack the information to do so, much like that bacteria experiment. Imagine how much money was wasted on something already known to not be proven, or documented, especially when we all know God created everything. That is a lot of money that could have went into useful applications. But hey, you already knew all of this right? I urge you to view my comment on this video, as it is of great importance. God Bless

[@billmcdonald4335]

@@Khonflict34 You're a dab hand with the creationism, so it seems. Why not submit your theories to a scientific journal? Get it peer reviewed, overturn the paradigm and collect your Nobel Prize. Your intellect is wasted here in the comments section. . .

[@petermirtitsch1235]

@@Khonflict34 I don't understand one iota of that gibberish. Do people really talk like that.

[@Khonflict34]

@@billmcdonald4335 since I cannot discern your emotion in this statement, I do not know if you are being sarcastic, or genuine, but I will answer it the same way, either way. God gives wisdom to those He loves, and He also chastens the ones He loves. The children of God practice their faith in Jesus Christ, and love their brother, and so I am showing love to you and others by speaking the truth. I personally do not "treasure" the nobel prize" as it is a worldly award, with no significance to my reward in Heaven. What use would I have for a dead object, or the application under it's meaning? No man brings peace to this world, as everything is God's will. God is good, we are not, and so all good is of God, and all love is of God, and that love brings everlasting life through our faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

[@billmcdonald4335]

@@Khonflict34 I'll give you clarification: it was sarcasm. I learned it - and a whole raft of other stuff - the old-school way: by readin' books 'n' doin' stuff. For decades. Before the interwebs ever existed. I didn't need the Googles to figure out what's what.

[@Brock_1025]

Christopher is not actually a scientist, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[@lpronovost84]

How to talk while saying nothing

[@jackstevenson4679]

Dan looks like the villain in a 80's teen rom com.

[@echo036]

For me, it was looking at all the claims where people had a near death experience and went to heaven, and loking at how none of them sync up, every account was totally different, everyone had their own version of "heaven" .

[@jalalsalehofficial]

Right fucking there. I didn't experience anything at all in the time period of being unconscious after a cardiac arrest. I just woke up being recusitated and went to the hospital

[@brianlaroche8856]

Man he craked the cosmos enigma code, hes a scientist, trust him

[@mzavros]

I "used" to be an atheist... UGH

[@alfredogarciamarquez4397]

"I am a scientist, but I often get confused on what I studied". 😜

as someone that has a communications degree from a prestigious community college. I too identify as a scientist, you should see the things im doing with a straw and chocolate milk it will blow you away

[@Lupinemancer87]

Either he simply claims to be a scientist in order to sound like he has some authority, or he did indeed became one but hasn't done any actual research, all for the sake of disproving science.

[@ddy7323]

He's probably one of these engineer that tell you from their informed scientific authority that evolution is wrong.

[@stevethecatcouch6532]

"I exist" is not a presupposition. It it is a demonstrable fact from the point of view of the speaker. I suspect that the statement, "some entity other than me exists" can also be proven, but it's never been important enough to me to flesh out a proof.

[@starfishsystems]

It's not strictly a "demonstrable fact." It is, for the experiencer, an OBSERVED fact.

[@GiubileiFernando]

-How do you explain reason with evolution? -The animal that perceives the world better has a better chance of survival -But evolution could reward falsety, you can't rely on it. -Yes, that's how we know that we have evolutionary reasons for faults in our logic, like assuming agents were none are.

[@starfishsystems]

That's a sufficient, although overly coarse, treatment. The natural environment will not ultimately reward agents which can't appropriately adapt to its features. That's a brute fact. So your second statement is true only in the weakest possible sense. There is noise in natural systems, and noise may reward choices that would generally be disadvantageous. Thus there is no ultimate reward. Noise remains noise. We are embodied creatures, with cognitive tendencies which advantage us generally, but which are not correct in all cases. This is not a "fault in our logic" because it was never an exercise of logic. It is the expected behavior of a generally useful heuristic to fail in edge cases, of which many are expected.

[@TrejoDuneSea]

Saying you aren't like other Christians is meaningless. Until we can read each other's minds, there is no reason to believe that every Christian has exactly the same beliefs. The sheer amount of denominations with different beliefs already suggests how personal religious beliefs are.

[@lnsflare1]

When in doubt, deny all terms and definitions.

[@pl5994]

Dan's opening reply literally addressed and predicted Christopher's final "There's presupposition needed for science too" response. Shows that Christopher was not listening at all.

[@brianlaroche8856]

Mid call u can tell tell signs of apoligist, then host cracks his egghead open with apologist writing autor presup

[@John_Demarco]

A "scientist" who only uses philosophy to justify his beliefs? Sorry, that's not a scientist, that's an apologist.

[@jamspiders4154]

An atheist will never go back to believing in god. This is just an advertisement that atheists can go back to believing again.

[@meloveAi]

Some atheists do go back, I think. Just for emotional reasons or bad arguments.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

If a magic sky creatures is controlling the world then how do you know anything is real.

[@mazazon]

​@Atheistmoms Rchimps If a deterministic god like the Abrahamic gods exist then that does seem to be what they are doing. I can't speak for all Atheists but I'd push for the idea that gender is an arbitrary social construct. Everyone is unique and will not fit neatly into that construct. Whatever makes them happy without harming anyone is positive utility and that's enough reason to encourage it. Our best evidence seems to indicate the only harmful thing about transitioning is bigotry of others and even then the outcome trends towards positive. So the APAs recommended treatment seems to lead towards positive utility. While I'm here, social transitioning and medical transitioning are the treatments recommended by the APA and despite the fear mongering, they are only applied after extended counselling with the consent of parent, child and doctor. Further, hormone blockers are not new. They've been use for decades to treat hormonal issues and are very well researched, which is why we can say with confidence they have little to no side-effects. To finish, Atheism has absolutely nothing to do with this topic and I can only hope most of my fellow atheists agree with me on this.

[@alamunez]

@@mazazon 💯 agree

[@starfishsystems]

@@mazazon The troll has gone bye bye. Which is not exactly a ringing endorsement.

[@1969JohnnyM]

I'm a scientist who doesn't believe in science.

[@chrisgrill6302]

My body needs water, I see water over there. I go over there and there's water. But my brain isn't built to understand reality?

[@abqchris2]

To anyone that’s ever burned their hands on the stove, it doesn’t take a god to reason through the truth of the statement “if I touch the hot stove again, I’ll get burned”. Claiming we cannot truly know anything without god is like saying “if god didn’t exist, you would continue to burn your hand repeatedly without the ability to reason why you’re in pain”.

[@ragg232]

"I'm a scientist, I study science"

[@c.guydubois8270]

Answer... reality nothing but reality.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

How's it hanging, fellow scientists?

[@kenbee1957]

😆😆😆😆😆

[@brianbeattie3305]

A DD puppet :(

[@frankgarcia9834]

Hahahaha I'm a scientist

[@Wes-x9p]

I am a scientist and a theist. Push me, Pull you.

[@donatsu8]

If our brain is less than 100% correct in judging reality how does an irrational belief in supernatural help with that handicap?

[@hank_says_things]

“I’m a scientist” said the lad who doesn’t understand science/disagrees with science that contradicts his sect’s version of events Also, people need to stop saying “processeeze” - it doesn’t make you sound smart, it makes you sound like you’re trying to sound smart.

[@walnutoil100]

What science contradicts theism?

[@weirdwilliam8500]

@@walnutoil100 This entirely depends on how you define theism.

[@hank_says_things]

@@walnutoil100 I said “his sect,” I didn’t say “theism.” But since you ask, there is currently no science that supports theism 🤷‍♂️

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

"Hi, I am Scientist, and was Atheist too, in my spare time I do the Sciencing all the time, but then I stopped having Atheist and instead be Religious now, so my question is, If god doesn't real, then why you am do that?"

[@ishmaelkelly951]

When the caller started off a question with, I'm a scientist ,and I used to be an atheist, and I'm calling you guys to find out why you believe what you believe shows you that this guy is a liar ,or something is mentally wrong with this guy, or he's just simply a troll .cuz no scientists go on what they believe. they go on the evidence and research and the scientific method, to get us closer to the evidence as possible. a real scientist would know that.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

I am a microbiologist to trade, and have never introduced myself as a "scientists", and neither has anyone I know. BTW, he's a scientist, but against (methodological) materialism????

[@2020-p2z]

I dabble in microbiology. I would never introduce myself as a microbiologist, or any sort of scientist. I might introduce myself as an engineer once I graduate and find work though.

[@christopherbrzezinski256]

Oh no!Things can be random.What ever shall we do? Our brains didn’t evolve to know the truth but I know the truth.

[@49perfectss]

This "scientist" doesn't know what field he works in? So this guy is just lying. How impressive lol

[@glassmonkeyface8609]

I'm a science! LOLOLOL OK

[@kennethcrist443]

Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

[@kenbee1957]

😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@Wes-x9p]

Cris does not k now what he is yet he knows what you believe better then you do.

[@adriangeh6414]

So philosophy can lead people to believe there's an invisible magical deity with super powers living somewhere up there. Doesn't say much about philosophy...

[@porkyboy4226]

No way was he an atheist. No one converts on the 'what grounds everything' question!

[@Boris99999]

This “scientist” uses words like “random” way too much for someone actually involved in any scientific activity…

[@mkrulic517439]

dan needs a different mic

[@sumo1203]

Is there no end to this completely unfounded assertions regarding science? Or will these scientists ever feel like doing some actual research

[@humanitech]

As a scientist, hmmm???....if true he would know not to base assumptions on observations just on current reality.... without including or looking back into past history and evolution...and he would then discover and realise ...what we humans are now, is not what we once were...as our current state and level of consciousness and awareness and knowledge and technical capacities are all an evolution and progressive ongoing process. What was the awareness levels of early homosapiens? How sentient and refined was their awareness, consciousness and technical capacity? Answer: crude, limited but curious! It's the same for the creator argument too....early ancestors whilst functional beings weren't fully creative beings as archaeology shows our slow technological progression....in that it has taken hundreds of thousands of years to evolve the technical capacities we have now... through the steady processes of discovery, trial, error, success and failure and need...where we have progressed from living caves and developing crude rock tools to ongoing more complex and sophisticated technologies. In fact it would be absurd to think, believe or assume that early cavemen (or cave persons) had the pre existing thoughts and ideas of designing modern housing, products, computers, cars and planes...etc, etc! So without any references, how could a god singularity, alone in the void.... be all knowing, all aware, all wise of? In fact what could it possible know at all under those conditions..even about itself...whilst being alone and invisible in the darkness? It makes no sense. Scientifically or philosophically. Because it's impossible to know things that don't exist ...or don't yet exist. So at best ....an invisible god alone in the void would be totally ignorant and unaware of absolutely everything... including itself!

[@tedgrant2]

God is very rational and logical, but how does he ground these abilities ? How did he work out that homosexuality is very bad, for example ? And why does he think women should obey their husbands ?

[@3dagedesign]

why search for truth and facts, if our brain is content with the false and deception. ,...why even have words such as truth and fact.

[@spaceghost8995]

He is a dumber Deepak Chopra.

[@topcat2069]

Oooo what's this behind your ear Christopher ?.... Oh my, it's a red flag........

[@markstein2461]

This guy is a scientist?

[@kenbee1957]

Also an ex-Atheist... 😆😆😆😆

[@devb9912]

Effin' presup's!

[@macdougdoug]

Yes, I am only capable of seeing and believing stuff that a human is capable of seeing and believing (with my human eyes and brain) - unfortunately Theists are humans too, so how does this prove their God belief is somehow more real ?

[@richtraube2241]

Hmmm... Only religious people have a purpose?! Sounds like what AZ xtian is saying.

[@dustinmorton942]

Ugh. He’s a Darthian.

[@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154]

He is biased as a Christian....😩

[@andrewhandelsman834]

Wow this is original, why don't you go call a cosmologist and ask how they come to the conclusions they have about the universe. Then pull this "grounding" crap so they can hang up on you.

[@jaymercha3859]

High level bullshit is still bullshit.

[@ricrocar7057]

I’m

[@neutrinoexpert825]

How do you reconcile your Atheist beliefs with the incontrovertible scientific evidence for the existence of God? No Atheist will ever answer that question.

[@adabsurdum5905]

>atheist beliefs

[@JanetStarChild]

Show us the evidence.

[@t800fantasm2]

"How do you reconcile your Atheist beliefs with the incontrovertible scientific evidence for the existence of God?" Easily, there is no " incontrovertible scientific evidence for the existence of God" Which I have stated before... and also, since I just said that, I have again proven that it's not "incontrovertible" Incontrovertible definition: " adjective adjective: incontrovertible not able to be denied or disputed. "incontrovertible proof" " I deny your " incontrovertible scientific evidence " and I dispute your claim.... "No Atheist will ever answer that question." You are again LYING! But hey, many of us, including myself, have already answered "that question" in many of the other threads to posted it.... But you run away like a troll and ignore us because YOU DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER!

[@shanewilson7994]

First off, what atheist beliefs do I have? Second off, where is this evidence? I mean, if you can show me incontrovertible evidence that a god exists, guess what, I'll accept that said god exists. No theist ever provides this evidence though.

[@adamstrange7884]

What evidence?