Why Does Everyone HATE Morrissey from The Smiths?

[@cobra5088]

I've always got the impression that morrissey is a professional contrarian. If he was in a room of cure fans he say he hates the cure and if he was in a room full of people who dont like the cure he would say he loves the cure. I think he gets a thrill out of getting people upset.

[@outsiderx7576]

Which is fucking funny

[@kablexd]

That's exactly it. And the contradiction leads to reflection.

[@mrduuud]

@@outsiderx7576 yeah I guess it's funny if you have the humour of a 10 yr old nasty boy.

[@MrJimmyTide]

@@outsiderx7576edgy 🙄

[@MrJimmyTide]

@@kablexddepends on how it’s done. If he just comes off as a right twat, no one will get his point and just get defensive against him. I understand that living in an echo chamber isn’t healthy, but too many people use “just trying to get you to reflect, bro” as a bullshit excuse to piss people off because they personally enjoy it. Even if they’re being sincere, no one asked.

[@N0ne0fy0urbusine5s]

Guess he didn't have the guts to be gentle and kind

[@Krysiss]

he really didn't

[@sexobscura]

It's a nice, thoughtful, intelligent and incisive lyric, yes. I think that you're confusing the song with its author, though. I'm fairly sure that Stephen King was never a telekinetic prom queen, either

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

Yeah, not. He's always performed for the outrage. You for example, have the guts to say Palestinians are not semites, to toe the Israeli line since its inception as the state supported by the UK to solve "the Jewish question". You have guts, that's what you have. You ahve some balls to still support that, eradication of SEMITES which Arabic is one language of, along with Hebrew. You can make a perfromance that you jsut "love everybody" but fundamentally you side with "Semites belong to Israel, so semd European Jews there, and send Israeli Arabs to Egypt". Morrissey is parodying YOU. When YOU are doing just the same as "Americans" do when their "natives" are treated like animals in weird reservations mismanaged under Bureau of INDIAN Affairs. Israel is UK's horrid project like US Rhodesia and Liberia. They erase the identity of semites even THREE generations down because Palestinians would otherwise come out as ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, due to them GETTING ALONG. YOUR state of England can never get along past skin color, but even less so WITHIN a skin color. Brother-war between semitic Arabs and Jews, or Brits and Germans.

[@Bob-t4g7w]

lying isnt kind.

[@jeffbuckleyfan420]

only jeff buckley does ❤

[@velvet-ambiance]

Lovejoy wanted to be the smiths so bad that their frontman also did something controversial

[@grief8060]

dicks out for wilbur soot

[@themidnightinator]

i fucking cackled

[@Krysiss]

lmao thats literally what i was thinking when i put their picture there

[@mCblue79]

What did he do?

[@feenix9354]

@@mCblue79physically abused an ex-girlfriend and raped another. Very bad dude

[@lambchop33]

I dislike the man but when he said “the sorrow of the IRA bombing is that Thatcher escaped unscathed” I almost pissed myself

[@sexobscura]

... and Robert Smith being 'a fat clown with makeup weeping over a guitar' is pretty funny, too

[@glocrowhurst]

A stopped clock, and all that.

[@mactheman8797]

That's because, like a lot of hypocrites... you'll complain about his 'racism' then laugh when he glorifies terrorism

[@michaelslowmin]

Okay, that's actually based that he said that lmao

[@ZacharyCulbertson]

When I first caught wind of the Chinese comment, long ago Alice In Wonderland was banned in China under the premise that "Animals are a subspecies" My thought was Morrissey was referencing and inverting that, consciously or otherwise

[@oscillatewildly6553]

Thanks for sharing this information, I'm sure it will unfortunately be ignored by the person responsible for this video!

[@aprilmae274]

This was my thought as well. A bit of a historical reference 'jab.'

[@aprilmae274]

​@@oscillatewildly6553Nice name, oscillate. Oscar and oscillate-both are wilde.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

Good catch

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@oscillatewildly6553 Morrissey has inspired me 37 years ago to become a vegetarian and thousands of other people who in turn have inspired other people there by doing absolute actual good in this world.. not to mention the fact that he is responsible for the greatest music that's ever been made by humankind's ignoring that fact for the time being. But no let's totally invalidate him for speaking up about an absolutely abhorrent disgusting practice. Let's take one of animals most passionate and effective advocates off the board because he didn't completely sterilize his language when speaking about something that he's passionate about. This planet is truly in trouble

[@brownycow22]

It's crazy how good British music used to be

[@brentblack2878]

Fr what tf hpnd

[@RexMundi_UTC]

No one is playing instruments anymore. Rap beats aka turd music

[@RyanHaragan]

I was just finding myself thinking again about the environment around tge time of the british invasion what was going on!? What was the ingredients around that tine that sparked just the right amount of tension to birth all that music, does anyone have any idea?

[@lavaxtris]

@@brentblack2878 Black people

[@MrNinjaFish]

@@RexMundi_UTC People don't need the connection to instruments

[@Nickshreds890]

Morrissey has inspired so many people to become vegetarians and while I do not agree with some of his outspoken views , I think that without reading his biography or going into great detail to understand him that you’re only scratching the surface. I am not here to argue if he is a good or a bad person. To me he has said stupid things. And he has even kicked fans out of concerts . He has sued journalists for defaming him and other things I do not agree with . But I love his singing and his music means a lot to me . The fact that he is saving animals lives with songs like meat is Murder and being a strong candidate for animal rights is a great act of kindness to all living animals on this earth. I enjoy his solo music a lot and have seen him live . I do wish he would not antagonise people, however I believe that if people do not stand up for their beliefs then the world would be a place where no one is held accountable for their actions . Morrissey may not be perfect but he has definitely helped a lot of people to feel less alone and no I do not agree with racism of any kind . Anyway I am not here to argue . You’re entitled to your opinion

[@RyanHaragan]

Oh he's vegetarian no wonder his mind cant think properly and his hormonws are sporadic im surprised he didn't do worse.

[@mightytaiger3000]

Morrissey is vegan, not vegetarian.

[@RyanHaragan]

@@mightytaiger3000 even worse! Not a single nutritionally dense bioavailable animal product, there's a portion of the elite that have an agenda to try and convince people to go vegan because it's easier to control YOU, you become docile and lose your hormones you need cholesterol and saturated fat for hormones and your brain, and every cell in your body, it's a waste away diet.

[@squiredog]

Loved the Smiths, read his autobiography, and his crap novel. Seen him live and he was amazing. But…. The guy is a walking betrayal of all he ever pretended to be. A racist pantomime act. Cannot listen to the Smiths anymore. Mr. Marr does a cracking job of performing this stuff live these days. And that guy has integrity, standards and warmth.

[@YegoYTP]

i think morrissey is a legend and his solo work was just as good as the smiths, vauxhall and i is an extraordinary album

[@reptiliathon]

I prefer the solo stuff as albums. The smiths don't have great albums because there's always a few shit songs but they have probably written superior songs. I don't skip songs on a Bona Drag (technically not an album) or vauxall and I.

[@YegoYTP]

Bona Drag and Vauxhall And I are perfect imo, I could listen to them both in their entirety over and over.

[@mattharrison5068]

YOU ARE THE QUARRY and all the b-sides

[@Korn1holio]

I'm with you. "Driving your girlfriend home" and "I am hated for loving" are amazing.

[@sexobscura]

@@reptiliathon To each their own, of course. I would twist what you say regarding The Smiths and Morrissey albums - and Morrissey has also released far more than The Smiths ever did

[@Gandim45]

I like Morrissey. I also like eating meat and I love Chinese people. I have no trouble reconciling those facts because I take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

[@mjh5437]

Exactly,people get their knickers in a twist over nothing now...If they ever grow up they will regret wasting so much time fretting over what other people think and do...As the old saying goes.."Youth Is Wasted On The Young"

[@AleksandrGabachev]

behind the hatred there lies a murderous desire for love

[@cerebraltr6798]

" I cherish peace with all my heart, and I don’t care how many men women and children I have to kill to get it"

[@imsorryforarguingbut4555]

as a fan of morrissey, i hold my own biases, but i felt that this was a very shallow take on this topic. it’s as if most knowledge in this video stems from articles and reddit posts jumbled together. reading his autobiography might help one develop a deeper and more well-informed opinion of the man, even though the book isn’t the greatest. with morrissey, it isn’t exactly “he is a bad person” it’s “he is a bad person, but…” yes, he is a devious, truculent, and unreliable prick, but a lot of what he’s said has been taken out of context, and most were off-the-cuff comments another thing, johnny marr shouldnt be pictured so saintly. he was also involved in the 40-40-10-10 split, was he not? he’d be in a lot more hot water if he wasn’t so diplomatic, something morrissey doesn’t exactly care for. this also rings true for robert smith, as they were both quite petty during their rivalry personally, i dont think it’d be the same if morrissey wasn’t an opinionated bastard, and this is because the meaning of many songs would change. even though i dont agree with his views, i love him for his humor, voice, lyrics, and outspokenness. i agree with separating the art from the artist-which you had mentioned at the start of the video-so that sort of clashes with your ending statement. in my opinion, by only listening to the smiths, that also means missing out on moz’s solo work-which really does have some great songs

[@Krysiss]

Good points but yea at the end of the day he's still a bad person as you said. At the end of the video I just said "you can listen to the smiths and ignore what he says next" in the sense that you can just listen to his music and ignore his statements, not saying that you shouldnt listen to his solo work.

[@tutubism]

Agreed, such a shame this video sort of contradicts the separate the art over artist thing. I don't know if he was aware of his own hypocrisy but I don't think it matters.. You're also spot on of why i like much of Morrissey's music and some of his traits 👍 I've also admired or look up to countless tragic & controversial figures in music history apart from Morrissey (Prince, John Lennon, Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Freddie Mercury, Kurt Cobain, Satie, Tschaikovsky, etc.) I am not justifying any bad behaviours since mistakes is natural & no one's really "perfect". I've also grown past that point of tying to choose a side instead of addressing the actual issue. I find it ironic that those nagging & overly righteous types are no better than the same people they are trying to criticize. I think antagonizing or mocking an individual just because they did or say something wrong or that their views does not align with your own doesn't do anything except intensify the situation by creating more hostility and conflict. It's also important to set boundaries on people who are too difficult to deal with. Learning to be honest, empathic & open communication is the key tool to form authentic interactions & healthy stable relationships imo.

[@djinnxx7050]

How exactly is he a bad person though? He doesn't like Pakistanis? And, he's gay, they don't like him either. Considering what they'd do to him if they could, his distaste for them is perfectly reasonable and entirely justified. Don't forget, he's probably had more experience with them than you in that respect. I'd wager they were possibly less radical back then, or at least less brave in their homophobia. Today, it's amazing how the far left lie to themselves about that alliance and attempt to hide, wave away or simply just ignore the incredibly comical levels of homophobia inherent in Islam and coming from Muslims. His views on the Chinese? Meh, all of them was it, or just the meat eaters? Neither of us can read minds. Do you endeavour to see the best in people, or the worst? From my own experiences with veggies, he's likely referring to meat eaters, and unlikely the worst he's said about us to be honest. Let's not ignore that the Chinese were probably still eating dogs at that time (perhaps what Morrissey was angry about? I didn't hear the context, no idea of what he was referencing, such is the hit piece playbook), mostly due to being poor and a communist country having shitty supply lines, which is totally unusual under communism. They were still considered third world until fairly recently, so it weren't just your favourite pet on the menu. I don't blame him for his anger if such is the context, but then to blame the Chinese people themselves for eating what valid protein they could get under communism, that's a bit lacking in empathy. But don't eat fido, come on man, an Englishman can't tolerate that. Have you never said anything fucked up, such as referring to those you ideologically oppose as less than, perhaps insinuated something akin to the average tory as a streak of piss with an inbred desire to kick the poor? Shit, I bet you've had the gall to refer to that lanky posh twat, whas his name, comically posh accent and still had a nanny? Meh, you know to whom I refer, he's a streak of shit that gained some degree of sentience and donned a suit, and somehow got voted into parliament and, again, somehow no one has yet to see him kicked to the kerb. You know you've some incredible views on him, and words so scathing as to be considered hate speech were they levelled at an actual human being. With all the pointing of fingers these days, it's amazing we've any eyes left.

[@robertsnowdon1257]

He paid great tribute to the famous James Baldwin (activist and anti-racist) in his biog, featured famous black soul singer velma Houston on his 2020 single bobby don't you think they know and his crowd at his sold out Hammersmith gig last year was more diverse than a lot of white alternative acts can claim to have.

[@inphanta]

@@robertsnowdon1257 oh, if it's not the old "He's not racist, he has a black friend" trope.

[@richalderson6069]

Morrissey is the antidote to all the simpering whining cancel culture bores that dominate culture today. He's not afraid to speak his mind and say what goes against the accepted narrative and doesn't give a damn what you think. He also happens to be a great songwriter and singer and performer who has sustained an interesting career with a devoted fan base since he left The Smiths. Yes, I'm a fan.

[@de132]

The fact that Morrissey gets to go on late night shows and perform his mediocre solo tracks to a gawking audience is an example on why cancel culture isn't real, and the real "bores" are the perpetual victims in paranoia about being Fahrenheit 451'd when they have essentially nothing of substance to say to the world. He speaks to these people and the nostalgia crowd.

[@richalderson6069]

@@de132 Mediocre solo tracks? Are you just another Smiths fan who just thinks "oh he was nothing without Johnny Marr" even though he's had a successful worldwide solo career with some great albums and songs since The Smiths broke up. And if cancel culture isn't real, why are people getting sacked, vilified and shut down left right and centre for not saying the "right" thing or having the wrong political views?

[@carlbig3118]

Ok but still, "he's not afraid to speak his mind" and the fact that he's a racist narcissistic prick do not exclude each others

[@Borninxixax]

"Morrissey is the antidote to... simpering whining..." HAHAHAHAHA

[@richalderson6069]

You forgot to add "cancel culture bores" to what I said. @@Borninxixax

[@petermcdermott4170]

Morrissey is a genius, there will never be anyone like him again. Just be glad that you are alive at the same moment in time. And if you are sad enough to dislike him, move on , nobody is interested in you

[@cjones3710]

Can't think of anyone who hates some they do not know. He's a real good singer. Very much likeable. Even if he attempts to be unlikeable.

[@hantalg]

"George Michael gave a way smarter and more mature response to the same question about Joy Division: 'Yeah I like it, it's cool.'"

[@cejannuzi]

I have watched that on YT, them reviewing records. GM was a pretty good record critic. But Morrissey was acting as an acute social critic as to why JD had this huge cult build up around them. One reason why so many of us loved the Smiths, though, was Marr's music, which is not at all like JD's.

[@dh41005]

Johnny Marr heavily carried The Smiths imo. One of the greatest guitarist of all time

[@cejannuzi]

And yet except for his collaborative work with New Order and The The members his solo work is pretty unremarkable. And he can't sing for sh_t.

[@tacomadc]

He was responding to gruesome videos of Chinese abusing dogs (some weird spiritual reason) before killing and eating them. That's all he's talking about, doesn't mean he's racist, just an animal lover.

[@thechair83]

Thank god somebody said it, so many people read the headlines and just believe it to be true without getting the full side of a story! This video is biased and downright incorrect about a lot of what they're saying

[@1nacho566]

It’s racist to judge an entire ethnicity based on the actions of a single person or group. That’s why the creator of the video didn’t have to give any context to the quote because saying “[insert ethnicity] are subhuman” in any context is racist.

[@IsaacGabriel-kh5ds]

​@@1nacho566 How did you like that pandemic? Think it came from bats or a wet market? Anything but a 🇨🇳 lab.

[@1nacho566]

@@IsaacGabriel-kh5ds this comment is a perfect example of a low IQ racist mind.

[@soundsvilleInt]

@@1nacho566 He didn't say subhuman. He said sub-species. He's very careful about his language. They mean completely different things.

[@InChristWeTrust999]

Calling him a racist is a stretch. Just because you’re anti-illegal immigration doesn’t make you a racist, neither does having right wing views in general make you a bigot.

[@andrewwolverton3762]

I wonder if Moz takes some sort of hidden pleasure in having so many misunderstood quotes, like his idol Oscar Wilde.

[@Springheeledjim5]

He probably enjoys being controversial. Only idiots rush to judgement without considering the context.

[@AltNoize]

“Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong”

[@paulstanway6076]

It isn't arrogance. There's a lot of self-deprecation in what he says. It's more that Morrissey, like most poets, has a pathological fear of being boring. It's the Oscar Wilde thing. He'd rather be talked about than not talked about.

[@rayj7273]

2:34 "Unknown Pleasures" did not completely define the music of 80s Britain, that is prepostorous thing to say. Unknown Pleasures and Joy Division in general have sort of a renaissance among mainly North American youthi in the 21st century, but they were not that influential in the 1980s. "Blue Monday" by New Order was far more influetial on the music of 80s Britain than anything by Joy Division. Young people (Millennials and Gen Z) are reinterpreting history to try and view it in a way they feel comfortable with. But the 1980s isn't a decade that most of you would have liked to have lived in. Morrissey was no more of a dick in the 1980s than most older people back then. People in 1980s Britain (especially in Northern England) were not that sensitive to insults or slagging people off (especially people in other bands, and other artists). It was part of the culture. British bands and artists dissed each other all the time in the music papers, slagging other people off was part of the air that people breathed. Music journalists did it all the time. Morrissey gave back as good as he got.

[@desmondoliver5436]

Thats not an excuse to be a fkn moron, or a racist

[@EpeP-qs9xb]

The uploader is a snowflake.

[@ellerysmusic]

nice job totally ignoring the racist shit

[@dirkbogarde44]

Only Paul Morley talked about JD then. It was all N/O.

[@Lunatix246]

You're just looking into the pop music aspect. Joy Division was most definitely one of the proto post punk and goth influencers.

[@squashua_]

I actually love Morrissey and he's been my hero for as long as I can remember. My dad's been a massive Smiths fan since they were active, so naturally they and Morrissey played around the house my whole upbringing, so I'll admit some bias. But it's asking an extraordinary amount to actively dislike someone and boycott their work over compiled comments over years of media scrutiny. Some of my best friends in the real world have political and social beliefs that stand absolutely against how I feel. I love them nonetheless for their qualities and good. I'm also willing to understand that intelligent people say ridiculous things when passions are high. I'd tend to imagine the subspecies comment for instance wasn't targeted at the entire Chinese population when the topic of discussion was wet markets. It's the type of thing where I'm sure despite foolishly hasty wording that PewDiePie doesn't hate black people. The enigmatic frontman of The Smiths made me who I am today. The solo singer I saw in Birmingham one rainy October night made my year. I don't mind if he votes a different party to mine.

[@UndeadSkater16]

Hate is such a strong word, I don’t think it should be used to define his opinions which are probably shared by some people but not spoken out loud

[@LambClone]

I don't hate him. I love him. He's what you get when you expose an Angel to the sin of man.

[@robertbruce4618]

Wow, that sounds so pretty. Except Angels have several forms and were responsible for most of God's wrath, if you believe that crap.

[@LambClone]

@@robertbruce4618 An atheist on the internet letting everyone know what they think, so edgy and original. I'm using the term "Angel" to mean what 99% of the human race believe the word to mean, not an academic literal description of Angels from the Old Testament that were based on Babylonian Gods. Just clarifying that, as you seem to think I am using the term "Angel" as it was understood 3000 years ago, and not in its present day meaning that literally everyone else in society understands it to be, except pedants like yourself.

[@jmack8767]

No, he's what you get when you expose a narcissist to ordinary existence. He just thinks he's better than everyone else, that's all.

[@LambClone]

@@jmack8767 He is better than everyone else. He's never worked a day in his life and has left a legacy simply by writing some poetry and having a nice haircut, Like to see you do that peasant.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

People like you shouldnt be allowed to use a PC

[@adam-byrne]

People hate Morrissey because he is too real for most people (like you).

[@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990]

I agree with most of what he says. And while I'm here I will also say that I agree with JK Rowling on stuff she says that pisses people off too. Facts don't care about feelings. 😐

[@oa5538]

yeah but he's also just racist

[@belosneshkaaaa]

​@@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990 she is a nazi but what do i expect from british "people"

[@madeline99awfulradiatorlove]

@@iforgotwhattocallmyself5990 jk rowling is factually wrong :D and facts do care about feelings anyway ? feelings are a part of material reality and human beings dont exist as emotionless husks (.. usually anyway! jk does her best from the face of it )

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

People hate morrissey because he's a pretentious dick (like you).

[@Dulceria-La-Princesita]

Don't care, still love Morrissey. Even more considering his political beliefs. England for the English. America for the Americans.

[@dangercat9188]

Even though he is the way he is, I'm sorry but the guy has one hell of a voice.

[@Her.Serene.Feline.Cuteness.]

He has a voice that drones on and on..

[@greenaum]

You know most Smiths lyrics are being wry in their miserablism? He's not singing any of them with a straight face. Bear that in mind, appreciate the joke, and 99% of any criticisms against their lyrics just evaporate. Sadly a lot of people don't really get it, so of course the songs look ridiculous, they're supposed to be, at least in large part.

[@JamesVytas]

All of the things he said about British culture seem pretty reasonable to me. I don’t believe he’s a racist. And as for being right wing it’s not a crime. It doesn’t mean you’re bad. He hasn’t said anything racist as far as I understand. Nor anything tyrannical. He is a winger and arrogant but I always took that as his camp public persona. He was being somewhat ironic and or just catty for the sake of it.

[@pogster4272]

6:58

[@Paul.Morgan]

A lot of people love Morrissey. I love Morrissey.

[@jimreily7538]

More people hate him than love him though.

[@lervish1966]

I hate the old misery guts.

[@carinasophie5180]

Me too

[@iwnpelasgos]

Every free thinker loves Morrissey

[@junior4654junior]

You can't take that article by Darya Rustamova seriously. Starting with a list of Morrissey songs she misquotes, and obviously has never listened to - none of them have any racist sentiments, “This is Not Your Country” is about the troubles in N.I. ffs. She also has no idea about the 1992 Finsbury Park gig in which Morrissey supported Madness. The area was in no way overrun with race based violence - where did she get that nonsense from? Morrissey was actually bottled off when he came on stage in the Union Flag - a misguided attempt at patriotism in a county that automatically sees this flag and the St. George cross as symbols of racism . Darya Rustamova is purposely twisting history to fit into her own biased view.

[@pajanightbadger1713]

And to influence hatful of hollow muppets like this youtuber

[@mjh5437]

That`s funny considering members of Madness and many of their devoted fans were NF and BM Skinheads in their youth lolol

[@junior4654junior]

@@mjh5437 That may be so ("in their youth"), but there was no National Front or British Movement in 90s London. And definitely not at the Madstock gig. Claiming that Morrissey audiences were used as places for the NF and C18 to organise is absolute nonsense.

[@deannilvalli6579]

The biggest take away here should be: It is important to separate the artist from the art. You don't have to like everything about the person, just because you like their work.

[@Krysiss]

exactly

[@Captain_Lockheed]

Ted Nugent is another example.

[@sufyanlowel4631]

never separate artist from the art. the art is so overrated. this is so hypocritical. the decent art is good enough without nasty dumb persons.

[@1fromoutside]

You can't do it all the time. The fact that people put art before the person, in spite of some people being horrible, indicates how fucked up our world is

[@josiahbirthright24]

Art is SELF-EXPRESSION. If the actual self is crap how can the art not be an expression of that crap? Just saying.

[@RaulCano-f7t]

Don't care. He could hate me, and I him, but I will forever listen and love the lyrics and music of the Smiths, and then, Morrissey 👊✌️

[@humanodeaudiolab4495]

Anonymous call, a poison pen A brick in the small of the back again I still don't belong to anyone, I am mine. "To be Great is to be misunderstood."

[@robertsnowdon1257]

Robert Smith and Morrissey have both made up since the 90s and admitted it was all petty and in jest.

[@maryburke5423]

Pictures or it didn’t happen

[@robertsnowdon1257]

@@maryburke5423 I've tried replying but every time it disappears?

[@MabisMavis-b6z]

No Robert just doesn't give a damn

[@UseActionsNotWords]

They are currently in legal battles over The Smiths.

[@Lazzyraccon]

Only thing I don’t understand is why people only seem to care for moz but ignore when other musicians do same stuff (I’m not saying he’s any better btw it’s just odd that people only seem to hate on him and ignore others)

[@Krysiss]

That's completely fair, I think a lot of artists get away with horrible stuff just because they're famous and they have influence. Take for example Iggy Pop.

[@maryburke5423]

Yep, recently heard Mark E Smith spouting crap about immigrants in an interview. And then there’s Eric Clapton, who actually inspired the whole Rock against Racism movement in the 80s because of his cosying up to Enoch Powell.

[@simonemariani1450]

I think Taylor Swift is quite criticized for her environment choices

[@sufyanlowel4631]

@@maryburke5423 oh, Clapton for me is none after this. same with Alice Cooper. and whatever what is her Sing It Back. people notice these things eventually

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

Depends on the fanbase

[@TP33000TP]

i'm 100% ok with him, superior beings...

[@vicho5960]

I think his comments on Joy Division and The Cure were a little arrogant. But I see no wrong in his political views, plus, it's just his opinion

[@de132]

His political views are misguided and misaligned. He's a racist who can't articulate the exact root causes of social and political issues, while also being a deeply caring person regarding animal rights and the environment.

[@marcosgomes7681]

He always was jealous about Curtis and R.Smiths talent 😅😅😅

[@carinasophie5180]

As regards to his support for For Britain, I believe what he's actually opposed to is radical Islam and an ideology that prohibits homosexuality, given that he specifically made a point of commending the party leader "for wanting everyone in the UK to live under the same law". As far as I'm aware all of his other 'racist' remarks have been pertaining to animal welfare, or simply feeling sentimental about the way things were when he was young

[@carinasophie5180]

I don't agree with everything he says and he can come across as insensitive at times, but I do think a lot of stuff gets taken out of context. I mean he even has a song called 'All the Lazy D*kes' lol. His lyrics are uniquely vulnerable and I think his sentimentality with regards to British culture comes from him having the same needy attachment style that makes him a great songwriter

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

Pretty much irrelevant. Support of homosexuality is a very western thing (and in non-western parts of the world, it's usually western influence that slowly leads to gay acceptance). Pushing western values on people who don't hold those values is cultural imperialism. Or western chauvinism. Or whatever you want to call it. If you would reply to this by trying to reason that SOME forms of cultural imperialism and colonialism are okay as long as they have the "right" intentions, then at that state of conversation we have already moved beyond assuming contemporary leftist morality is infallible and 100% correct. Which opens the door to start questioning cultural taboos much more severe than Morrissey disliking a religion for a supposedly "noble" reason. Either we can argue some cultures are better or worse than others or incompatible with each other, or we can't. There's no picking & choosing when it's okay.

[@carinasophie5180]

@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 homosexuality isn't a western value lol, this is exactly my point; I wasn't brought up to 'accept gays', in fact I never even *thought* about it until I had friends who were gay and witnessed homophobia first-hand. People only adopt oppressive ideologies when they are conditioned to do so by their environment, or when they need someone to use as a scapegoat So basically you're saying the west should accept homophobia in other cultures because otherwise it's 'cultural imperialism', yet it's fine if a homophobic ideology becomes integrated into western society?

[@JackTrayner-u3f]

@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262Gay people get executed due to radical Islam, there’s nothing wrong with criticising that.

[@sarahharris2729]

​@carinasophie5180 its the bigotry of low expectations. What if mormon, scientologist or JW person threatened to unalive their gay kid? These same virtue signalers feel very entitled to say we can police and shame you because you're white. Im Irish and plenty of Brits have definitely imposed their way of thinking on me and did not consider my feelings from a different culture. I lived in Morriseys old neighbourhood, Ill just say, its better that he doesnt know that the school lunches serve halal meat exclusively some days. it is crueler whether people want to admit that or not.

[@ryang790]

Im struggling to think of anyone who genuinely hates Morrissey.. Maybe a few journalists who feel threatened by his intelligence. EVERYONE respects him. He's great listening to, albeit I admit not EVERYday ..

[@Gh0stfaceKill4h]

I hate Morrissey and love the smiths. Like the festivel Cruel World had to bend their knee and make all the food Vegan just for his bitchass to perform. I woulda just been like nah and found a different headliner. Literally the most bitter/annoying old bitch in the industry lol

[@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262]

I'm not concerned about his opinions. He's entitled to them. I'm not a vegan either, but I'm not throwing a fit about their second album shoving veganism down our throats.

[@verucasalt9182]

I for one don’t hate him. I quite like him.

[@dextervortexsungte5348]

because you are one of those d bags

[@XAntohax]

Same, after this video I like Morissey even more.

[@mummyd1990]

Me too.

[@Haraldo-l7w]

Ditto. He’s not a simpering little bellend like the maker of this video…

[@ashelfishisttortle]

I’m saying! Sympathizing with nazi adjacent organizations is actually really cool

[@aleksastamenkovic5526]

Morrisey is fully himself, something other people lack, so its obvious, but sad how people hate him.

[@AVFC1982]

Morrissey is a legend and I really don’t think he’ll care what you or tik tok users think of him 😂 And as someone who loved the Smiths back in the day and now hearing Morrissey is now far right is laughable.

[@gauloise6442]

He is exactly the same, its just the Left moved so far left, he ended up right wing without moving.

[@pajanightbadger1713]

@@gauloise6442 The left have moved so far left that they think that children can consent to sex changes. What else do they think children can consent to?

[@barbarohelm9697]

Media have it I'm for him that's why . He has opinions and isn't afraid to speak his mind .. guy deserves more respect he's a funny guy .thank god for morrissey imagine s world full of chris martins or Robbie Williams..

[@traci150]

I will never hate Moz when I was a kid he taught me about animal rights I’ve been a vegetarian ever since I’ll never hate him.

[@Travis1365]

Morrissey is a legend. Great lyricist, great voice, great artist. What is there not to like.

[@waykthufukup]

I’m Chinese and I absolutely agree that mainland Chinese are a subspecies.

[@Noodleydoo]

Morrissey always said ridiculous things--and they were usually hilarious. Like when he said Madonna "was the closest we shall come to organized prostitution." I wish people would stop digging through everyone's past to find something to cancel. It's pathetic

[@madhatter217]

Thank you

[@mjh5437]

otherwise known as the Offence Archaeologists lol

[@revelrem4409]

I don't get why you feel the need to downplay the fact that this guy recently supported the EDL and numerous other racist British organisations. You make it sound they are digging up things when he was a teen, not things from the last 10 years, without him making any statement regarding such support. I think we should cancel those who want to turn Britain into an ethnostate, actually. There's a huge difference from saying funny things about US presidents and Madonna and actively supporting meatheads who want to purge brown people under the guise of being concerned about a cultural invasion for the sake of plausible deniability.

[@chriswood426]

As a modern day English person I disagree with you when you say he is a hypocrite because his parents are Irish, we are the peoples of the British Isles, working class people especially. We are until the 60’s traditionally a mixture of Celtic, Germanic and Scandinavian DNA in slightly different amounts and that goes for all 5 countries (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Eire). From the 60’s I think we must also start including some West Indian and Indian/Pakistaini DNA as well and nowadays Asian/oriental DNA too (again the same 5 countries). Technically though you are correct if you go off map boarders, but then so would a person with Scottish or Welsh born parents even though we live in the United Kingdom

[@zzollyy]

He's right about Chinese tbh. The way they treat animals is sick.

[@leon3589]

Nah, you're just a sinophobe who falls for the propaganda the 'west' tells you. You go on google and youtube expecting neutrality as if they weren't owned by the US. And your propagandised brain can't see beyond what your arbiters tell you you should believe. Go to China, see for yourself. And if you think animal cruelty is bad there, then you don't wanna learn how the French make Fois gras

[@marcosgomes7681]

The way they treat people is sick too😅

[@SonnyK248]

I'm a big Smiths fan and I think Morrissey is right up there with the best song writers ever. I think the reason people don't like him is because he's a walking critic. Before he was famous he used to go to gigs and where everyone else would be dancing and enjoying the show, he'd be at the back with a pencil and paper writing scathing reviews about each act. He has a massive ego and a controversial opinion about everything. Everyone has that mate who just has to be a contrarian about everything because they think liking something everyone hates or hating something everyone loves makes them an expert on the topic. I think he's that guy.

[@benitolazio8193]

They don't , you just wish.

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

Everyone who isn't a self-indulgent nihilistic edgy teenager does. You're odd

[@am_n_d_la]

Morrissey is too smart and complex and intelligent for the mediocrity of today's pop show and social media. I'm sorry he is too difficult to understand for most of you.

[@madhatter217]

Thank you, now I don't have to say it.

[@thecosmicblueautie]

Redundancy is always the most convincing agent of truth.

[@am_n_d_la]

@@thecosmicblueautie it's for the ADHDers, just in case

[@mathish100]

I LOVE MORRISSEY , and even more now.

[@stephenphillips6888]

Not everyone appreciates the little boy who tells you the emperor has no clothes.

[@DJarry394]

Morrissey seems to THINK his lies resemble that. What garbage

[@jasonday139]

should Japan be for the Japanese? the Russia for the Russians? Mexico for the Mexicans? What is controversial about saying England should be for the English? Countries and culture exist because of the more or less homogenous people within a border. A coutnry that you know and love can disappear before your eyes if the people inside it do not assimilate.

[@joseherrera3370]

I dont hate him, his music is great and thats all that matters

[@michaelscott9026]

Everyone can have their opinions. I think many people hopped on the “let’s hate him together” bus. He speaks his mind and truth that most people don’t want to hear.

[@mjh5437]

It upsets their precious Woke Mind Virus applecart.

[@revelrem4409]

How is it the truth? How is judging an entire race on a bunch of cherrypicked videos and falsely claiming that we're being invaded by another race the truth?

[@levijosephcreates]

The notion of a bad or good person is so darn flawed and probably a result of most folks liking to think in simple terms. We all have good and bad within us, anyone stating otherwise is a foolish nobhead. Most weak folks follow the pack, being too darn worried about what others think about them.

[@loudcloud6889]

yea the notion of good and bad is often used for pretty nearsighted and flawed reasons and someone who thinks others are bad because of where they come from (for example) are certainly subscribing to millions and millions of instances of ----- Just that.

[@FaviusArthum]

@@loudcloud6889 the guy above has been real quite since you responded to him

[@voodoochile333]

I don't think you know the difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. Not wanting open borders doesn't make you far right. There are millions of labour voters who voted for Brexit.

[@ayanaanaya1210]

You are correct but I think he used Morrissey’s border politics as a example, but there are other right wing ideas and ideologies that he very much pushes and believes in.

[@voodoochile333]

@ayanaanaya1210 I think he should highlight those sentiments instead of saying that if you want control of your borders, then you next to a rightwing nutcase.

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

It's not just illegal immigration, ALL mass immigration runs counter to the interests of working class people. Which is why the Poles - who benefited so much from free movement of labour - are now up in arms about mass immigration to Poland

[@CircumlunarFeasibility]

@@ayanaanaya1210too bad its the leftist ideas that are destroying western civilization right now.

[@oscillatewildly6553]

@@ayanaanaya1210 like what?

[@escherpainting8622]

Title baffled me. I fucking love the bloke. Young Morrissey, that is. Old Morrissey is a different person altogether. My theory is that if youre as evidently depressed as someone like that, you either end up as Ian Curtis or you end up as Old Morrissey.

[@katoness]

Everyone is flawed, what makes you so perfect?? His gigs sell out world wide, he is not hated, he is loved by so many.

[@funkriderx-djandproducer]

But yet he`s such an hateful person. Just because he has fans all over the world, doesn't mean he`s an great person. Also those people are "Fans". Not his actual friends. Unless, you know the guy personally and are an friend of his, how do you know if he`s an nice person?

[@katoness]

@@funkriderx-djandproducer How do you know he is hateful, if you have never met him personally? So there you go neither one of us know if he is a good or bad person. I am just a fan who loves his music and his honesty. A rare thing to have in the music world.

[@funkriderx-djandproducer]

@@katoness Like you, never met the guy though from what I,ve seen he does seem hateful and also arrogant. For example he was calling Glastonbury woke one year, because they booked Stormzy. He seems to have issue with people who aren't white, but yet if it wasn't for minorities who made all this music in the first place (including rock n roll) this guy wouldn't even have an career performing the music he does. Awesome artist, don't get me wrong but doesn't seem like an nice person in my view.

[@katoness]

@@funkriderx-djandproducer I don't believe Morrissey to be a racist. Since Morrissey did a slot at Madstock, waving the union jack, the press have labelled him a racist. Yet, they won't do a face to face interview with him about this. I've gone to many of Morrissey's gigs and I meet people Black, Asian and Latino's at his gigs.

[@funkriderx-djandproducer]

@@katoness Yeah, waving an union jack doesn't make anyone racist. Reason I brought up the topic was because what he said about Stormzy. If he really isn't an racist, why does he have an problem with stormzy doing an set at glasto and calling it woke? I mean what,s woke about an musician who,s black performing at an festival? He,s just talks utter drivel at times. Maybe,s he is jealous because he wanted to bang Maya Jama or something lol. I don't know. But if he isn't racist, then why go round saying silly things like that?

[@kapturelab]

I like Morrissey haha! George Michael didn't actually comment on the music of Joy Division, he basically just said "I liked it" and Morrisey at least gave some kind of analysis. Maybe I'm sympathetic to Morissey because I think musically Joy Division are really overrated. Their music is so simplistic. It really sounds like a band without much skill starting off trying to play along with each other. There's nothing complex, or mature about their music. I can enjoy it but it's quite simple surface level stuff. I would say The Beatles early years as actually more richer and layered than Joy Division and that's saying something. I don't think The Smiths can be so easily compared to Joy Division like that, because Marr was much more intricate and diverse guitar sections and melodies than anything Joy Division has done.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

He's talking about their treatment of animals. I'm with him.

[@gothictheurgist9367]

I wonder if he's ever read Savitri Devi, sounds like he may have been influenced by her ideas

[@JLG629]

Morrissey is a deeply misunderstood figure. Guy knew what he was talking about. Unfortunately, the truth is not pretty. Doesn’t mean he was wrong.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@JLG629 To be be fair, any member of The Smiths could punch a baby in the face and still be okay with me based solely on their music.Except maybe Craig Gannon but I'd still co-sign a loan for him.I've been a vegetarian since the Smiths broke up when I was 11 years old it was magical thinking trying to get them back together so that I would be able to see them perform together one day I'm still a vegetarian but obviously that ship has sailed and I completely appreciate him not being politically correct in the defense of animals. He hasn't wavered.

[@FrithonaHrududu02127]

@@JLG629 I take that back...Craig Gannon COULD punch a baby in the face and I'd be fine with it if you factor in his Aztec Camera stuff. Can't be easy being the "Fifth Smith"

[@j6yc3]

you’re with him on racism…yt people will let anything slide but god forbid an animal gets hurt

[@johnhatchel9681]

Of course socialists hate him. He thinks for himself. That is intolerable for the lemmings.

[@eternalengland]

Morrissey’s a legend and it’s not racist or “far-right” to be upset about your country being flooded.

[@radidov5333]

you think all the "whites" leaving your precious country isn't what makes you feel "being flooded"..blaming immigrants on the decay of your economy is so old and ludicrous, white rich British people are making your country sht not some poor bastrd from afrik

[@themode00]

One thing many don’t get about Morrissey is twisted sense of humor - remember no one is perfect. To his deficiencies at least he owns up to what or who he is.

[@TheLonesomePagan.]

On no British man patriotic and is proud of his career and nationality he's literally the funny mustache man. Honestly you people are a joke you get so uppity about everything there's literally nothing wrong with him.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

You were saying this when he was a penniless socialist too, right? Right?

[@TheLonesomePagan.]

@@PartnershipsForYou I don't care for socialism but his political affiliation aside there is nothing wrong with being patriotic and loving you tribe. I'll defend any man's right to believe that.

[@PartnershipsForYou]

@@TheLonesomePagan. "your tribe" ??? what? Are you okay bro?

[@jagtoons5066]

@@TheLonesomePagan. What do you mean "tribe" lol Strayght Wights are so strange lol. You guys have like 10 IQ

[@Toracube]

Easier to hate someone that admit they might be right….

[@scunner6828]

Exactly. This was such a shallow dive into Morrissey's views and opinions. If this guy thinks that it is unarguably a good thing that the English should become more and more of a minority in their country as is inevitable given the figures and the longstanding domestic policies which drive the figures ever upwards, then that is an opinion which he has every right to hold, and Morrissey believes that it is a bad thing. Many of us agree with Morrissey. We are not hateful. Human beings throughout the millennia all over the world would have agreed with Morrissey, yet this guy won't give it a second's thought. I wonder why.

[@de132]

​​@@scunner6828People have been saying this exact thing since Morrissey was young. There is an integral Englishness that is also defined by the people who come to England, look at how English culture has been shifted by people from the West Indies, people from South East Asia, hell even Ireland. I'm not going to put a value judgement though. If you prefer how England used to be, that's your prerogative but I would say that it is influenced by an idealism for a time that never truly existed. The reason people dislike Morrissey's comments on immigration and the population composition is that he views these people as inferior and diluting.

[@EpeP-qs9xb]

@@de132It existed before Windrush.

[@BlackbirdArtandDesign]

@@de132 For a start, forced multiculturalism is only being done to White countries. And immigrants only come because those White countries are better than theirs. By default their presence cannot be an improvement or they would have improved their own country.

[@gorofujita5767]

I find Morrissey's eccentric character, and counter-current mindedness to be exceedingly needed these days. The fact so many people in the comments feel the "need” to use a 2-sentence disclaimer before saying anything positive about the man tells us how neurotic and claustrophobic modern day culture and social obligations have become. As for me I only have to say this: I really like Morrissey 👍

[@sawilliams]

Most geniuses are misunderstood.

[@marianourcaray8096]

He is the King.

[@karlisberzins2773]

One of the times YT algorithm does a good job of recommending something awesome - keep up the great work! :)

[@Krysiss]

Thank you!!!

[@pajanightbadger1713]

You had all your boosters and you hate Morrissey. Have you ever tried thinking for yourself?

[@davidwallace7189]

Hardly reasons to label him a 'bad person'.

[@perfectblackswan]

Why Does "Everyone" HATE Morrissey from The Smiths ? Because, he's intelligent, relevant and lucid. That's not considered as qualities nowadays.

[@DOROHEDOROFAN]

Evidently not qualities you or Morrissey possess.

[@scottlalexander510]

I am 59 years old and loved The Smiths and Morrissey from day one. People need to stop calling the "feelings police" whenever he says something they don't like. Just because you're offended does not mean Morrissey is wrong. And, if he is, who cares. It's not like he's writing legislation and/or making you succumb to his beliefs and points of view.

[@ezkibela]

You are acting just the same, you seem ofended by his feelings about Morrisey...

[@fum4491]

@@ezkibela being offended involves emotion. He is stating an opinion

[@Rorshach1004]

They don’t. He is much loved, still to this day. Go to a gig, and you’ll see for yourselves.

[@ContentEnthusiast]

First off, not a Morrissey/The Smiths fan. I agree that he portrays a rude, pompous image for himself. However, as I've gotten older I've been able to interpret context and how it is key for understanding what people mean, rather than simply the words they say (and what I decide they mean). That's something this video lacks, and it goes out of it's way to do so. Not liking someone for being intelligent, outspoken, saying things that are objectively true, and sticking by who they are while also showing growth and maturity certainly is a reason to dislike someone; not a good reason though. With the little information you gave, that's all I can decern about why you don't like him. He's a complex personality with nuanced ideas, unlike this video. Just say you don't like him because he doesn't align with your fashionable politics so you wrote him off and save us all 8.5 min. You DID help me understand why a certain type of person doesn't like him though, so that was helpful. I hope the album reviews are more substantial and good luck with the channel. 👍

[@Travis1365]

‘Morrissey is a horrible person, I don’t think it’s up for debate’. why because you know and your word is final? What a dangerous and idiotic thing to say but there you go.

[@Krysiss]

Yes, my word is law

[@pajanightbadger1713]

@@Krysiss Your word is worthless. You have no discernment - you read an article and you take it as gospel without cross-examination. Let me guess - you had every booster

[@PartnershipsForYou]

@pajanightbadger1713 does having IQ this low hurt you n any way, or does the State take care of you?

[@Skullnaught]

@@Krysiss no

[@themode00]

One thing many don’t get about Morrissey is his twisted sense of humor - remember no is perfect. To his deficiencies at least he owns up to what or who he is.

[@sunzell]

I don’t hate Morrissey or think he’s a terrible person. He’s clearly just very misunderstood, especially his sense of humour. I’m a huge Morrissey fan, personally, and I support him as a person. Seeing comments defending him is really restoring my faith in humanity.

[@andrewknudsen6674]

Morrissey is great, a true individual. He's a lyrical and melodic genius.

[@gfck3211]

People nowadays are really sensetive, hating a person because of very few things they said... Very immature, to be honest. Now maybe we will judge people by what they have done and not have said?

[@Rich7714]

@8:02 - "There's a million more examples of Morrissey being a hateful & horrible person." There's also a million more examples of you Red-Herring Fallacy & Straw-manning his arguments. Do or don't like him - whatever - but don't spend an 8-minute rant Strawmanning him.

[@deantibbles1474]

Hated the smiths and morrisey back in 80s...but i like him now!😃

[@facthunt2facthunt245]

He likes Bernie Sanders so he's not an actual right-wing person like yourself.

[@hellolondonmusic]

well, he is a Gemini...

[@markhilbert6573]

No they dont

[@freeman1810]

You endeared him, to me. I never listened to morisey but I’m adding to mu Spotify. Thanks 🎉

[@AffiliateJamboree]

Huge fan of The Smiths here. I love Moz, his songwriting, his poetry and his spirit. The man is a hero because he's not afraid to speak out and point out that the emperor has no clothes. No-marks and cowards keep trying to cancel him, but you will never succeed. He has huge support. Viva Morrissey ♥

[@pauld90010.]

Play the hand you're dealt. Stay in your own land and work to improve it. Is that wrong? Is that hateful?

[@aletec96]

Easy to say when you're someone who's not been dealt the shittiest hand

[@vivianboys3]

Okay okay, you've convinced me. Morrissey is a Good Guy! And that's rare nowadays

[@JackVox]

Must hurt to the bone when a social movement so remarkable and brilliant has nothing to do with you and never will.

[@timpala5841]

That isn't even the entire quote

[@loudcloud6889]

go on....

[@orangehandsandfeet]

You cannot separate art from the artist, art is an extension of the artist, its impossible to separate Dalí from The Great Masturbator or Morrissey from The Queen is Dead.

[@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vv]

Good luck with this method. You'll end up throwing almost all the greatest works of art in the trash can.

[@3mindrebel]

​@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vvI'm fine with that tbh

[@ValottaLaureano]

​@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vvonly if u can't tolerate other people having different views on the world/being bad people.

[@vsander09]

So friggen false. I can’t enjoy a Sean Oenn movie even though he’s a total jackass. Stupid take.

[@sufyanlowel4631]

@@ArmanddesEsseintes-ry7vv art is so overrated. Especially old ones. So I throw it so what. It will have ZERO impact on my life. I don't live with art.

[@GolfWangMedia-incorporated]

How the f is a union jack “far right”??? That’s literally the flag of the country. Weird take.

[@marcosgomes7681]

They all think now only the rainbow flag is the English flag 😂😂😂

[@gabeee92]

Like it or not The Smiths WAS Morrissey. People tend to give Jonny Marr too much credit nowadays because they dont like Morrissey. He was a good guitarist but thats pretty much it. Morrissey was the HEART and the SOUL of that band. He was 89% the only true member.

[@de132]

You're right that Morrissey's lyrics are fundamentally integral to The Smiths and people are giving Marr too much credit, but the guitar, man 🤌 The Smiths also aren't really The Smiths without Johnny Marr (and I'd argue Andy Rourke too, may he rest in peace)

[@alexanderwood3465]

You ever seen Marr live though? I guarantee 100% you'll see how amazing he is

[@terrenceimhotep8404]

Artists will have controversial opinions. Feel free to disagree and dislike him but respect his opinions no matter what. If he were a prick but his views were aligned with the globalists politics he would still be spolighted at the pinnacle of the media. For me the fact that he defends his opinion and dares TO BE HIMSELF makes me like him and follow him even more. Or the story about "BEING YOURSELF" is acceptable only if you align with the globalist lefties?

[@commanderwolffeex]

i never knew moz talked arrogantly bc i thought all british people talked like that

[@Krysiss]

lol

[@EpeP-qs9xb]

It's just an inferiority complex by the uploader.

[@KvltKommando]

they all do