Why Doesn't King Cold Transform?

Is he stupid?
A note on Frieza's race's hypothesized asexual reproduction: the notes from the below referenced translated interview indicate that it is unclear whether or not they literally meant Frieza was born only by his father, or if they meant his traits were inherited solely from his father.
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[@solomonexpress2445]

As if Trunks would have granted his enemy the opportunity to Transform if he could stop him. He hates fun.

[@0pPotato]

The one sayian that don’t take chances and have a embarrassing moment of pride 😂 Cough* goku, vegeta, gohan!

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

Trunks wouldn’t know he could to stop it

[@ultimate_capper3643]

To be fair, if we assume the same thing happened with Trunks trying to stop Cell from becoming perfect after absorbing 18, Trunks probably couldn’t stop Cold from transforming. Trunks, despite being stronger than Semi Perfect Cell, was unable to stop him from becoming Perfect. Same thing could apply with King Cold transforming into his hypothetical final form.

[@rsync9490]

​@@ultimate_capper3643The reason he couldn't stop semi perfect cell from absorbing 18 was because of Vegeta.

[@ultimate_capper3643]

@@rsync9490 The scenario you talked about happened before the scenario I was describing in my original comment. Yes, Vegeta did initially prevent Trunks from stopping Cell, but Trunks blasted him away and went back to stopping Cell. However, Cell used a Solar Flare and while Trunks was stunned, he absorbed 18. After Trunks recovered, he tried attacking Cell, but to no avail.

[@YChromosome99]

Here's how I see it: Cold didn't transform because he was so convinced that Trunk's power came from that sword.

[@reneko]

Yea I believe he just an idiot king and thought Trunk's sword that strong

[@fangslore9988]

you're absolutely correct. to King Cold Trunks is a "lowly monkey" after all and was very arrogant and very ignorant when it came to their power gap. to King Cold, there is no way a Saiyan would have such power. only Frieza feared it and rightly so especially when he feared that a super Saiyan could eventually become a god and what greater powers could be beyond it, after all he feared that a super Saiyan god could be on Beerus' level or above it. King Cold on the other hand was just an ignorant mf who underestimated Trunks and let himself become arrogant and has an obvious superiority complex and a lot of racism towards Saiyans

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

He thought it was the Z sword.

[@fangslore9988]

@@SCHMALLZZZ probably

[@zSpec]

​@@SCHMALLZZZtrunks sword definitely is better than z sword

[@dreadrath]

Given the amount of powerful artifacts in Dragon Ball, Kold's assumption about Trunk's sword isn't bad in itself, it possibly could have been some kind of magical sword from his perspective, he just got it wrong is all.

[@Sethboone18]

I mean it is a magical artifact. I know it's not Canon, but technically got the sword from Tapion lol.

[@TheJadeFist]

Not entirely unreasonable when you frame it that way. Maybe he figured it was just a sword that can cut through anything.

[@fangslore9988]

King Cold is an arrogant and ignorant being who's racism and superiority complex made him assume no Saiyan could ever best him without some cheap trick like a magic sword

[@dreadrath]

@@fangslore9988 Somewhat true, Kold did look down on them, though up to that point in time there was absolutely no president for him to think a saiyan could be that strong barring some old obscure legend. I'd call his attitude more akin to "Speciesism" than racism, but regardless, such attitudes toward a species like the Saiyans who themselves had an equally massive superiority complex and wanted to conquer, enslave and drown the the galaxy in blood is basically just the pot insulting the kettle. Frieza and Kold got what they deserved, and so did the Saiyans. Both sides were rotten to the core, the saiyans simply drew the short straw.. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Frieza or Kold wiped out their own species for being inferior to themselves since both of them were asexually reproducing unnaturally powerful mutant off-shoots of their own kind.

[@fangslore9988]

@@dreadrath *Cold but you are correct. there was never any way for King Cold to even consider this warrior race a true threat, none of them even came close to rivaling his true power or even his first form if he ever chose to assume it, and the whole idea of a super Saiyan to him was little more than just a legend. none existed and none would ever exist as far as he was concerned as to him it was little more than a legend concocted by primitives and only Frieza truly feared the legends. but Frieza did get his just deserts but he back in black

[@CesarACastillo]

I honestly think that Cold doesn’t care to bother to correct his son when he mentions that he’s the strongest being in the universe. Especially when they’re both aware of Manjin Buu and Beerus.

[@PizzaPuncher2]

Yes, but this is obviously before either Majin Buu or Beerus were even thought of as concepts in Toriyama's mind.

[@ultimate_capper3643]

I don’t think that you could use characters that were thought up later in the story and apply past statements to them as if they’ve always existed. By this logic Vegeta should be stronger than anyone because he claimed he was in the saiyan saga, despite the fact that he was basically Frieza’s b*tch.

[@jruler93]

Toriyama wasn't aware of Majin Buu or even Cell at that time, because when he was making Dragon Ball, he mostly made the story up as he went along, only planning certain things a couple chapters ahead of time, and the Android/Cell Saga was notoriously rife with editorial meddling. And Beerus wasn't even a notion until Dragon Ball's original run had been over for more than fifteen years.

[@pantiogames]

@@jruler93 Cool, but we are talking about IN UNIVERSE, NOT REAL WORLD SHENANIGANS

[@teeboz6237]

Cold doesn’t correct him because Freeza>King Cold and at the time Freeza was the strongest in the universe bar Goku (and as they master found out Trunks). It’s not that hard.

[@LastGREATEST0]

Butter said he was the fastest in universe when Ginyu Frieza and Cold existed. So maybe Frieza claiming to be the strongest isn’t too much of a long shot

[@lovesgibson]

Lol, I think Vegeta also said he was the strongest, back during the Saiyan saga… but I don’t recall if that’s in the manga too or just English dub anime.

[@rockk9753]

​@@lovesgibsonthe villains say a lot of things, king piccolo said he was going to take over the universe, cell said he could make a spirit bomb, Majin Buu told them he was going to turn them into chocolate and eat them, sometimes villains say things that they can't prove

[@dokidoki5850]

⁠@@rockk9753then come this green haired madman speaking like a caveman and making loud noises. The heck were all these villains thinking when they talk?

[@rockk9753]

@@dokidoki5850 most of them are probably thinking "oh yeah look at me I'm so edgy and evil", "Broly was most likely thinking"wahraaharhaharhghgahghaa"

[@ishowslow5044]

At one point even Cell was called a God of Destruction (I'm not sure about the manga though since it was just in the anime title). I don't think many claims are that reliable.

[@gabrielefenocchio9165]

I remember from an interview that Toryiama said that for the frieza family the offsprings are always stronger than the father in the same age and that they can adapt their body also to improve their combat abilities (proven by the golden and the black form). This fact in my personal theory means also that they can have a different final form than their ancestors due to an adaptation of their body: even if cold resembles freezer’s second form his body isn’t complete armored for example (looking at face, arms and legs) and meanwhile freezer’s transformation focus on energy using and speed (gradually larging and removing the armor), cold’s body probably focused on brute strength and resistance keeping part of the armor and making the real body underneath bigger in his final form.

[@MRTwizyfizzy]

Bingo, but that would require people to actually do research, while this has been explained before

[@fangslore9988]

thats not how it works, their final form isn't a power up stage its their original form, the other forms are restraint forms to power down, for frieza's race its reverse to saiyans

[@DioLT]

​@@fangslore9988 The original commenter didn't contradict that, he said they ALSO have power up forms proven by golden and black frieza

[@fangslore9988]

@@DioLT true though some have argued about it LMAO in the end Toriyama just wanted Cold and Frieza to finally be killed without them being a credible threat to the android and cell arc but also in the Manga it is never stated King Cold was weaker than Frieza

[@DioLT]

@@fangslore9988 I don't really know, I was just pointing out what they were saying. I always thought King Cold was stronger because Frieza mentions that he was the only one able to hurt him, but just didn't get how strong Trunks was and poof no one should care about that anymore xD power levels in anime in general are so inconsistent I stopped caring about it long ago

[@cesverc]

How about Cold, as an elder member of his race, has achieved a state where he can maintain his full power in the form he likes the most. He probablly likes to live in his second form, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s weaker because of it.

[@whaleclouds]

"He wasn't cool enough." Sun Senzu- The Art of Cheese

[@Dakota_B_]

toriyama had issues with consistency so i'm going to say cold had more forms and they never got used.

[@fangslore9988]

its also likely Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0, he probably wanted frieza and Cold to be dusted but the easy explenation was he simply assumed Trunks had a magic sword and without it a lowly monkey could never beat him even in his second form

[@0vern9K]

Yes he did but just because he did sometimes doesn’t mean you can stick that logic here. Cold was already in his final / natural form. Freiza created forms cause he couldn’t control his power. That’s not something every member of his race does ( cooler isn’t canon but even he wasn’t doin that ). Cold was weaker then frieza it’s stated in all guides, if he could transform he would have after seeing someone stronger then him get turned to butter

[@fangslore9988]

@@0vern9K please note that Toriyama when talking about Frieza said that Frieza's final form was his people's original form and that the previous transformations were all restraint forms to limit his power logic dictates that this extends to King Cold as well, and its also worth pointing out in the Manga Frieza never said he was stronger than his father, and there's in inconsistency in the anime english dub which is the only place its stated that King Cold's power was equal to frieza's when the Z-fighters sensed their approach remember the anime you watch on screen isn't canon it is its own continuity. plus what Toriyama said about frieza's transformations and knowing that King Cold was only in his 2nd form and not his original form, its likely King Cold was much more powerful then frieza. King Cold also didn't transform because he underestimated Trunks and it was confirmed that King Cold assumed Trunks wielded the Z-sword which King Cold knew of and knew that the legends say it could cut anything in the universe including the gods (though the legend is untrue)

[@0vern9K]

@@fangslore9988 Freiza and cold are mutants even to their race of own people. Meaning they have completely different genes then others. There gonna differ from other members of their people. Which will effect appearance There quite literally a new species from their people

[@0vern9K]

@@fangslore9988 also, that’s the English dub. The z fighters don’t state that no where in the Jap sub. We all know the Japanese sub is the most accurate of any anime that’s just how it works. And naw it’s still cannon to the manga…

[@BasementDweller_]

I think he just under estimated Trunks.

[@fangslore9988]

grossly so after all Trunks is a "lowly monkey" and in his dealings Saiyans have never been a threat or even close to his power. King Cold also values appearances since his armour was as regal as it could be without sacrificing functionality being it was gold trimmed and with a luxurious cape with gold fasteners, so his second form gave him an imposing presence

[@ishowslow5044]

true, also the transformations literally take forever (going by how long it takes Frieza to transform in the anime). Cooler pretty much just gambled on the fact that the sword was how he was beating Frieza. Cost him his life though.

[@fangslore9988]

@@ishowslow5044 King Cold would never have survived his attempt at transforming plus he underestimated Trunks assuming the source of his power was the sword. King Cold was both Ignorant and arrogant

[@ishowslow5044]

@@fangslore9988 Pretty much

[@fangslore9988]

@@ishowslow5044 King Cold dug his own grave and pretty much paid the hangman to take his life when fighting trunks as well as hired the reaper to take his soul to hell with the sheer stupidity he possessed

[@bluetone-amv]

I really like your editing and videostyle! I also believe that Cold hasn't seen much combat and just believed the sword to hold the key to victory.

[@blen983]

Cold is the King. In true Kingly fashion he would think transforming is below him especially in front of the help.

[@exceedexceed760]

Doesn't make sense. Freeza is referred to as "Lord" or "Freeza-sama" so why would he think of transforming? That logic makes no sense.

[@jay_rael]

Considering that frost has similar transformations to frieza, it’s safe to assume that king cold is in his 2nd form

[@SuCKeRPunCH187]

maybe he is already in his final form.

[@jay_rael]

@@SuCKeRPunCH187 he might be, but considering dbz and super with frost, he’s probably in his 2nd form

[@fangslore9988]

agreed, as it would be biologically consistent

[@DamonDraven]

I'm betting Cold's 2nd form *is* his final form. Members of the Frieza race don't necessarily have to have the same amount of forms each. Frieza and Cold are mutants after all, probably Frost is one too.

[@fangslore9988]

@@DamonDraven all evidence would suggest otherwise its a restraint form based on the idea that all the restraint forms are specifically a feature of their biology similar to how goku and the other saiyans on earth all have the same transformations except the god ones, its biological since frieza's final form is the original form of their entire race, Frieza and Cold being mutants only means that they were born with massive amounts of ki compared to possible members of their race elsewhere in the galaxy. just like how Broly is technically a Saiyan mutant

[@h0llyw00dhoward7]

Cold should’ve brought his Ray gun. Caught them both lackin’

[@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa3708]

I like the DB Multiverse idea that unlike Freezer who is a prodigy he cant control his Full Power,i mean remember tha not even Frieza was confident of this before going to his final form

[@foster9315]

Great video. Feels good to see a Dragon Ball video with someone that has their head and their shoulder and actually considers the narrative. Definitely subscribing

[@bluesman402]

It's more likely that that was his final form and that they are both mutants who evolved in succession, seeing as how toriyama did specify they were the ONLY mutants which is likely why frieza's second form looks like king cold due to the fact he is further evolved/mutated than king cold and de-evolves which makes him appear similar.

[@Tonycat420]

According to logic, if his brother has one more stage of transformation than him, then it is unlikely that his father will only stay in the second stage of transformation.

[@fangslore9988]

frieza's race transform in reverse, their transformations are to unlock their full power, King Cold's form is a restrained form, and its because of how small they are in their final form and King Cold didn't want to be smaller than his men and he probably felt like it was a fluke that goku bested frieza so he never really considered to transform to his maximum power when fighting Trunks, King cold didn't have a scouter and couldn't sense ki so he didn't take advantage of trunks fighting frieza to transform out of sheer ignorance. and why he tried to use trunk's sword was a display of arrogance as he thought the only way trunks could beat frieza was with the sword and assumed it was magical or had a power boosting effect and was curious but his arrogance got in the way

[@teeboz6237]

@@fangslore9988what in the head canon? Cold COULDN’T transform. Freeza said multiple times in front of Cold he was stronger than him with no protest from Cold himself. Freeza stated to that his transformations were unique to him because he suppressed his power by choice. Cold had nothing in canon to even suggest he could transform. Not even in non canon before fan theories started running wild. This is like a random guy coming up with something like Pan is really the LSSJ and it spreading and gaining traction with no evidence.

[@fangslore9988]

@@teeboz6237 doesn't mean King Cold couldn't transform it just meant in their final forms at maximum power they were not equal in strength. in their final form King cold could be as strong as base final form frieza or even slightly weaker then frieza, remember King Cold was arrogant, ignorant and had a superiority complex, he thought Frieza's defeat was a fluke he didn't understand the SSJ power in the least nor understand its power level and potential. he assumed Trunks was a lot weaker than he was because he thought the only way trunks could win was with that sword so by taking the sword he showed his ignorance of Trunk's power and arrogance to assume he was naturally stronger. when Trunks caught the sword King Cold realized that Trunks was not going to let him transform, fight back or even back down, he understood saiyans and more importantly he realized he was going to die no matter the choice he took next. could King Cold transform, based on their race and the final form of their race and what it looks like, yes he could absolutly transform to his people's final form like frieza did, why didn't he, well take a look at his attire even though he had his species natural biosuit he chose to wore armour over top that was black and gold trim, he also wore a cape so based on his attire appearances was a very big deal for King Cold, and his final form being smaller, it appeared he wanted to be larger then his men. also you forget that transforming for Frieza's people is not fast like a Supersaiyan transformation Friza's species when transforming they had to reshape their anatomy as well as use their ki to break apart their biosuits and then regrow it with each transformation and it looks painful as frieza's own transformations looked painful for frieza also, Frieza saying he was stronger than his father, we cannot take Frieza's word for it alone, for all we know King Cold could have led Frieza on to belive that as a way to spoil his son, there is no definitive proof but what is proven by King Cold's armour is that the former emperor and father of frieza absolutly cared about his appearence. frieza even wanted to be taller and in resurrection F frieza was asked why didn't he transform back to his second form to be taller. its likely King Cold at some point decided to transform to his second form for similar reasons. in a nutshell King Cold could transform considering that likely frieza's final form is probably his people's original form with variations being in colour and design of their bio armour however King Cold likley prefered the form he had because of its intimidating size and that prior to facing trunks he had no reason to transform and when he did face trunks he underestimated Trunk's powerand assumed Trunks only won because of his sword

[@teeboz6237]

@@fangslore9988you’re using the word “could” an awful lot. Also a lot of unintentionally funny head canon. Why not just say where it’s stated or confirmed officially he could? Or, because that doesn’t exist, just stop arguing? You’re the king of head canon though 😂😂😂😂😂 Official sources or shh

[@rutgerbauer4345]

Sultan of Space 😂😂 Keep the awesome classic DB vids coming, man!

[@austinwilburn1772]

Random but one of my favorite What-Ifs is "What if Frieza was turned into an android by Dr Gero". More durable body, unlimited stamina, energy absorption, and the ability to create forcefields. I'm curious just how much more powerful would he become because 17/18 were just normal humans with no training, putting there power around 2-7 and after becoming androids they had a energy output equal to just below 1 billion ki. Rough math 18 is around 920-940m, 17 was around 960m. Frezia has a power level of around 120-160 million naturally. Heck, maybe give him a Majin boost later down the road because you know Frieza would eat that up in a heartbeat.

[@Shoddragon]

TBH I think this is just a case of fans assuming that King Cold can transform to increase his power. Frost seems to only use the suppressions because he wanted his real power to remain a secret while Freeza used his suppressions due to being bad at controlling his power. It seems like after resurrection of F, Freeza chooses to remain in his final form (probably because he learned to utilize his power properly and doesn't need the suppressions anymore). By the time of the Tournament of Power, Freeza and Frost both show up in their final forms to start. If I had to guess, even IF King Cold can also transform, he's probably already at full power. Then again, he might not be able to transform and Frost/Freeza both can simply because they are alternate universe versions of each other so to speak.

[@licmir3663]

The reason why other characters claimed Frieza was the strongest in the universe during the Namek saga was simply because King Cold hadn’t been created yet.

[@majidoujaa5592]

Every party needs a pooper that's why they invited you

[@Historicutuber]

Good breakdown man!

[@Angel13691]

your content is great, i will see your channel grow

[@thaateamgamingmovietvchann511]

I’m still looking for that game 😭😭 but great video and new sub 🔥💯

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

If Cold had 2 transformations and got the same boost as freiza he’d be around as strong as 17 and 18 easily in a final form which mean trunks, goku or Vegeta or done for. There wouldn’t be a way to write him out for the android saga

[@jtnachos16]

I mean, other than the EXTREMELY obvious answer of 'Goku and Vegeta know better than to let a frieza family member transform'. Trunks just has no chill and wouldn't let them sit there and power up regardless.

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

@@jtnachos16 well Freiza tansfromations are not like normal ones. He does not get to his base form until his final form so you really cant stop him from going into it. The lower forms are just mask. Cold could just put up a ki barror like cell while his body changes and trunks wold not get through. If he really could transform trunks gave him penty of time to do it. Anyway with the sword thing.

[@jtnachos16]

@@JJJJ-he8bz That sure sounds like a lot of headcanon there, given Frieza is SHOWN taking time to transform during Namek saga. As well as assuming he could 'just put up a ki barrier'. The only time I remember ever seeing 'ki barriers' are from Gero's androids, SPECIFICALLY those with the infinite engines. Which CELL didn't have until after absorbing 17. That's not an option for King Cold. It is entirely likely that even if he COULD and INTENDED to transform, he wouldn't be given the time to. Do keep in mind, Future timeline Goku killed Frieza and King cold, as Trunk's changes to timeline didn't occur until AFTER King Cold accompanying Frieza to earth was locked in. This implies that either King Cold magically found a sword to give to Goku so he could claim it was magic, or that he didn't get a chance to transform there either. Or alternatively, that he couldn't transform. Meanwhile EVERY member of Frieza's race, both in canon sources and non, has been able to transform. A lot more evidence on hand for 'King Cold just didn't consider it until it was too late'.

[@gustavolopes5094]

@@jtnachos16 And what the guy said in the video, Cold being weaker also makes much more sense. But I disagree with you. Goku and Vegeta would, 1000%, let Cold reach his final form. Just look at Freeza and Cell. Trunks, however, wouldn't.

[@jtnachos16]

@@gustavolopes5094 Uh, no. Goku wouldn't. Not after the experience with Frieza. VEGETA, on the other hand, absolutely would. Goku let Frieza power up further for the same reason Gohan played around with Cell instead of just wiping him out. They were enraged and not thinking, although in both cases their rage ran cold, which is arguably MORE dangerous.

[@WSigmaStone]

Bro has 4 videos and its all so good omg

[@Sadahiko312]

Answer: *Trunks gets shit done*

[@KaoMinerva]

Great channel

[@drowning.macaco]

i believe cold being in the second form is just for making him look huge and scarier and it doesnt have to anything with his power, freeza also stated agaisnt goku that if it wasnt for him goku would be the strongest in the universe

[@UchihaTobito]

Totally agree on the intimidation factor. The video was getting a bit bloated with speculation so I left this out, but Freeza's henchman Kikono suggests he should use his second form to look taller. This implies that Cold may have used similar reasoning back in the day. It literally makes no difference which form he's in when the next highest power level is ~120,000 range, so might as well pick the form you prefer the look of.

[@CellaDragon]

Freezer was a mutant and abnormal amongst his race explaining all the extra transformations king cold either felt he didn’t need to transform or simply was at his limit

[@KW-zj8gt]

Gold and Black Frieza is exactly the same thing. He just changed the colour.😂

[@HectorCotto97]

In Cold's defense he COULD still be stronger than Freeza (up to a point). I don't think that people fearing Freeza more than his father is an accurate indicator of power. I personally think it all comes down to how they both operate as rulers. King Cold seems like the type of person who would rather sweet talk and manipulate others in order to have his way. Freeza on the other hand seems less calculating and reserved than his father and is prone to destroying entire planets on a whim. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Freeza seems to lean more towards using brute force far more often than his dad which would explain why more people would be afraid of Freeza then Cold since Freeza uses unnecessary force to get his way and is even known to kill his own men just because he feels like it. It's honestly no surprise that people would fear such a person far more then the guy that would rather sit you down and talk to you before deciding on whether leaving you alive or not is more beneficial for him.

[@Felipe-wt6jf]

Since i was a kid i've always assumed that King Cold was always in his final form. There is no canon confirmation that he was on his 2nd form, King Cold is only stated to be in his 2nd form in games.

[@DanielMWJ]

That's about my read of it. Cold's power is probably only in the 500k to 1 million range, and never really gets to the obscene levels that Frieza does, probably only having a nominal power level of 1-4 million when in his final form to Frieza's 60 million plus whatever he got from cybernetization. He comes in, assumes Frieza is exaggerating and that it was a fluke, assumes Trunks only won because of his sword, "tricked" Trunks, and by the time he realized that he f'ked up, it was too late to even try transforming, even assuming he could stop groveling long enough to do so. He was no warrior, just a gangster.

[@awu92]

As I know, his father is unable to transform anymore, that is his max power form. His power is much lower than his son freezer.

[@fangslore9988]

ho he could still transform but he was arrogant and ignorant, he has suffered no rivals and each of the transformations other than golden aren't power ups they transform in reverse, the final form is the original form and they transformed to restrain and power down. King cold was underutilized and never got to fight so its likely he simply underestimated trunks and his power in universe where out of universe Toriyama didn't want a frieza saga 2.0 since it was the start of the android and cell arc so he needed to quickly tie off loose ends that were cell and King Cold

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

This is what I believe as well. There is no reason to believe he has another form, what we see IS his final form. Simple as that.

[@davisbowe8668]

@@Bingo_the_Pug I think there's even less reason to believe he doesn't have another form. Both Frost and Cooler have final forms similar to Frieza, so why wouldn't his own father?

[@TvRFReloaded]

Because sons are usually superior to their dads. And cold was an arrogant fool. It's not like frieza ever trained. All he did was suppress his power and divide it over his forms. Cold clearly didn't care to do that ​@@davisbowe8668

[@Jsipki265]

@@davisbowe8668cooler isn’t canon and frost is frieza’s doppleganger none of this proves cold can transform.

[@hex9061]

I think a good way for a King Cold Theory like that to work is if like Frieza he had never trained before or had just remained in his second form to a point where (Where similar to Ressurection F Gohan) is unable to advance due to being so out of shape.

[@Crow_Rising]

My speculation is that a contributing factor to Cold not transforming is because of his appearance, a trait Freeza might have inherited from him. Freeza hates the fact that his base form is so short as he worries about his troops not taking him as seriously because of it, and might even feel somewhat juvenile because of it. It's to the point where after he gave up on immortality his immediate next wish he wanted to make on the Dragon Balls was to make himself taller. One of his henchmen even questions him why he doesn't just power down into his 2nd form like his father did. As such, my speculation is that Cold had the same insecurity that he would have then passed onto his son. His 2nd form is simply just bigger, broader, and taller. It gives him an intimidating and imposing figure befitting a space emperor as opposed to his other forms that are too small, short, or monstrous looking.

[@VGamingJunkie]

You can tell King Cold is arrogant, because when he learned Frieza was dead (Before his half body was found), he immediately thought of revenge. Like he thought he could beat someone who killed Frieza. And that's without a sword being involved.

[@HeyCMDR1991YT]

I don't know why is this still a thing when the information has been out for years already 🤦‍♂️ King cold is not a mutant his final form is his second form unlike Cooler and Frieza are a mutant which allows them to achieve a higher form above King cold however according to Toriyama before he passed away he said King cold doesn't have a third form or beyond that so his second form is pretty much his final form and he can't progress further but he might have the potential to unlock a third form if he actually trained for 10 years😅

[@bryanunion5110]

0:10 What scene is that from?

[@user-zn3bi4gq6h]

king cold symply didn't knew how to transform: in the first cooler movie, cooler himself stated the changeling race can keep their power in check by turning into a weaker form BUT ! , cooler also stated that changelings don't know how to turn back to their original form, they have to learn that through training or in freeza's case just by beeing super talented. in king cold's case its simply a case that he didn't learned yet how to go back to his original form.

[@empvth7313]

2:00 cursed image

[@SimulatedGoat]

You mean hot

[@geraldbroflovski3216]

I think it's as simple as: Frieza is Colds son, and, being the next generation, had evolved new forms, beyond what Cold had. It has nothing to do with power levels or laziness. He is just more evolved.

[@-ahmed5iz]

Simply King cold preferred dying than being a 5'2ft

[@kovaxim]

Maybe the whole thing with Freeza being the top guy back then was only because we didn't know of King Cold. Maybe Toriyama didn't think of KC at the time and didn't think "yeah, F is strong, but KC is even stronger" it could be that F was the main villain and he was the big bad guy, the most powerful being in the universe. There's lots to discuss here. Maybe KC wasn't Toriyama's idea, but someone told him this, how Freeza returns, better than before, with whom but his father.

[@HeLLxGodLike]

Cold stay in that form because that's the only form in which he is taller than any of his other form

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Simply put, I think he wasn't mutated enough. Frieza was a newer gen mutant and could transform

[@kuminanida333]

I do actually really like this debate. There are so many factors to consider. Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, also he is more then half mechanical now. That makes him stronger then before but how much does his sensible power get reduced? If he is half gone does that mean his actual ki is halved now? Does Cold even have another form? Yes frieza looks very different in his final form but its been implied that forms don't mean that much to them. At least the golden form is told to us to be golden because that is what frieza wanted it to be. Its not like a sayian transformation where they have no control over the appearance and can only transform to increase power. You could argue that we know the suppression transformations are standard because frost is the same, but you could say he is supposed to basically be a alternate version of frieza so he is special. That are you can look at how they also forgot that there is a massive difference between unlocking ssj and mastering it in terms of power during this time to and just state that none of the material here reflects on the pasts arcs at all

[@beegpappa7900]

"Frieza is in his 50% form but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to 50%, " That doesn't make sense but Frieza's was using half of his raised power so his cybernetics stay on.

[@yafilthycasual]

I always wished people would call his final form, instead, his true form.

[@absolutez3r019]

I always figured he couldn't go beyond his current form. Frieza and Cooler are both prodigies of their species. So it could be that they're a very rare example

[@The-Spanish-Inquisition490]

Pretty sure it was explained that Frieza was a mutant of his race. (Like Broly is to the Saiyans) and King Cold was terrified of Frieza, so he gave him command of his fleet.

[@kalawaki]

That is Cold’s final form. Frieza’s race can choose what their transformations look like, and it’s said Frieza modeled his second form after his father. It’s also explicitly stated that Cold gave Frieza the empire at a young age because he knew Frieza was stronger than him, so that form being Cold’s Final Form and being similar in power to Mecha Frieza lends credence to this fact.

[@Supertron1]

Even if King Cold was not in his true form, it's possible he wasn't holding back a great deal of power. The form he appeared in may have just been something he created to make himself look more imposing.

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

King Cold is past his prime or had his fun back in his generation. He will just be Duke Cold acting as an advisor?

[@nathansmathers5565]

Toryama probably didn’t think of cold at that time

[@king3860]

Freiza was an anomaly, even for his race. He legit was just built different, and was the strongest in his clan

[@Bean-vu6gp]

cold in future trunks timeline probably show goku and the other z fighters that he was more cruel than his son after he transformed

[@iceman1287]

Simple. He’s already in his final transformation

[@nicholasrolack1017]

I don’t remember where I heard it but I swear it was mentioned that frieza modeled his second form off of his father, and most secondary material shows cold being a big coward so

[@ThomasRobinson-kr8sk]

The legendary super sayain wasn't a concern to frieza until Lord beerus told him to wipe them out

[@PumpedSmartass]

I like to think King Cold is as strong as final form Frieza, but he just likes to be big and intimidating, and don’t really care to show power when he can just get things going with fraction of the power.

[@dynias7282]

My take on this would be that freeza race choose how they want to look like. And freeza choose his 4th to be his normal look while king cold choosed the 2nd form to be his normal one. ofc this is just my take and it would seem that it doesn't work in the current canon of dbs where freeza want's to be taller. Though it's kinda weird if you think about it, bcs freeza says himself that he choose golden freeza to look like that himself.

[@Gojira3445]

Frieza was born in his fourth transformation. Technically that is base Frieza.

[@dynias7282]

@@Gojira3445 yeah but i mean they can manipulate what is their base form

[@derstapel9782]

He just hadnt the time to do so If you consider trunks destroyed freezer in one second he knew his only chnace is talk arround. Which also didnt work of course

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

I think a good proof that Cold is weaker than Frieza is that he is in the "second" form, Frieza's transformations exist for him to contain his immense power, if we assume that the final form is the natural state of his race, then it means that Frieza needed an extra phase to control his energy.

[@warrenbradford2597]

Did we really needed Frieza’s father to resurrect Frieza in mecha form and both be killed by Trunks, though. Toriyama could have just wrote only the scientists in Frieza revive him and straight to Earth to get the latter’s revenge like he did for Resurrection F.

[@caucasoidape8838]

Resurrection F added that nanny character to the mix. It's like Toriyama likes to tease the mystery for Frieza's background.

[@pantiogames]

4:34 But Cold was Retire for almost 40 years(or more) up this point for this reason i don´t belive this is a good prove to Freeza be so much stronger. Like even in the context most not even see the Freeza final form, imagine the Father Final Form, is rare. I still stick with the theory hhahaahah. Even more now because the Reference of power to King Cold was Majin Boo and Beerus.

[@procow2274]

Given that supressed forms exist at all they probably have the ability to make there own forms and Colds form is probably just a form similar to his final in power but with the appearance of the second form. A side grade sort of situation.

[@locodesert2]

Missed a massive opportunity for the thumbnail to point at king cold and say “is he stupid?”

[@Luchamasterfit]

I'm of the assumption that the forms are a level of talent or innate power for friezas race. Frieza was insanely gifted which is why his natural form is 2 levels of development ahead of his fathers.

[@overlordpichu5577]

ya know, i think the better question to ask is why do people assume that king cold can transform? maybe, in fact i would say probably, that's just his final form already.

[@uselessinformation1988]

King Cold believes that Trunks only defeated Frieza because of his sword. He says it himself. He was overconfident. As for the scouters, I always assumed that they were suppressing their energy and raising it too fast for the scouters to detect.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

The “real” answer is simple: Toriyama just didn’t think to design another transformation for him hence he doesn’t have one. The “in universe” explanation: he was already in his final form, he never achieved anything higher hence why he gave his empire to his son who was naturally stronger than him since birth.

[@williamholtzclaw3029]

I think it's not unreasonable that cold is already as strong as he can be, cold being in a form resembling freeza's second form doesnt mean that cold's form is repressing his power the same way freeza's form does, it could be his base form or even a power up, we know freeza's race can create new forms and have some measure of control over how those forms look (freeza using gold to mock super saiyans). We also know that both cold and freeza are mutants so them not being identical biologically makes sense

[@mikitadou]

TBF, in Trunks timelime SSJ Goku killed both, Frieza and King Cold too. So king Cold can't transform.

[@TrunksStrife]

Cold: Ah! so the sword makes the man

[@darkmatter-mc5iv]

The androids arent a retcon. Its more likely that Frieza didnt know he existed. Its like when Buu showed up and Frieza got scared. There are stroger fighters but theyre either dead or he doesnt know then yet

[@greasedood7263]

The only person that makes sense during the great cold debate😂

[@Eevee860]

He was extremely overconfident and thought it was just the sword, he thinks transforming is below him, he doesn't have enough respect for his enemies to transform, and in his 2nd form he's stronger than 100% frieza was as I think I remember vegeta saying, only reason he's even in his second form is to be big and intimidating since he's a galactic tyrant, plus we can't see his other forms considering he never shows up again

[@FriezaDBZKing69]

King Cold is unconfirmed to be capable of transformation. Just because Frieza could do it does not imply nor can one infer King Cold to be able to do so.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Doesn't really matter cause at the end of the day, king cold will NEVER appear again. Whatever head cannons about him might as well be true

[@classyrobot5648]

In the world of Dragon Ball, the one thing that's made absolutely crystal clear is the constant: there is always more to learn.

[@aliddda328]

Basically you're saying he might be lazy overconfident and eventually overwhelmed yeah I agree

[@girlbuu9403]

Gohan is right. Freeza in his fourth form was still heavily suppressed until he fought super saiyan Goku. I've often thought that one of the reasons Trunks took him out so easily is because he wasn't at 100% power. It raises questions, like can Freeza and Cold raise their power up in lesser forms? Pure speculation, and it would mean getting into power levels possibly, but I think the best explanation is Cold is arrogant and Cold realized that if he started powering up or transforming Trunks would kill him immediately. He'd never have the chance so his best bet was to go with his hunch that Trunks had some kind of magic sword that did most of the heavy lifting. Or slicing.

[@2dmetroidfandom579]

I like the ideal king cold being stronger. I think Him keeping it hidden was necessary, and because of his lack of actually understanding the situation and how strong trunks was caught him off guard, which led to his demise, didn't give him much of a chance, to prepare himself or even power himself up to become stronger, so The only option king cold had was to beg for mercy until the time That he had enough time to transform and be able to defeat him.. Which trunks didn't allow?

[@mohibbaneaahlebyata.s7332]

It Would've Been Interesting Seeing Kind Cold Transform Rather Than Just Getting destroy by Trunks He needed A Shine Time

[@Bean-vu6gp]

i hope one day we see future cold transform in a ova or in a kakarot dlc

[@kikook222]

I hope this video says the correct answer that is 'he can't because he is already at full power and Frieza's race controls what they look like.' That was King Colds final form. He had nothing else to go to. Frieza's final form is unique to him. It's very likely Frieza's first form is his real form he was born with but due to the theme of mutants in the Frieza saga, he and his family can transform their body for more power and King Cold is at his last transformation he can achieve as with Frieza in his final form.

[@bicokun]

I think assuming that Cold can transform just because he happens to look similar to Freeza’s 2nd form is a mistake. Toriyama had stated that Cold was a mutant of his race, and that Freeza was further mutated from Cold. It’s very possible that Freeza’s true form simply looked quite different from Cold’s because of his mutation, and he may have chosen lower forms more similar to his father’s true form simply because… well, it was a weaker kind of body. Given that Freeza was classified as the strongest even in his first form, and that Cold went around in the form we see him in all the time, that form of his is probably isn’t even quite as strong as Freeza’s first form (though that would have still put him leagues above anyone in the Freeza Force at the time, anyway).

[@paulhiggins6433]

I remember in the anime dub (for what that's worth) that when the Z fighters sensed the approach of Frieza and Cold, that they said they felt Frieza and someone even stronger than him. It was at least partially implied that Cold is stronger than Frieza despite not being in his final form. If that is true, Cold would have been, hypothetically, somewhere near the level of Imperfect Cell.

[@davisbowe8668]

I think an explanation for why most of Frieza's minions treat Frieza as if he's the strongest in the universe is probably because they've never witnessed King Cold's power. Cold is essentially retired, leaving Frieza to basically do whatever he wants. This means that he probably hasn't had a reason to use any of his power in many, many years. Since Frieza's minions can't sense energy and Cold likely suppresses his power much like Frieza, it's likely that they don't have any idea that Cold rivals his son in power. Plus, Frieza is incredibly vain so he's likely not going to admit that his father's power rivals his own even if it is true. Even if King Cold wasn't quite as strong as Frieza, he'd still likely be far stronger than anyone else up to that point besides SSJ Goku and SSJ Future Trunks. Also another thing is that during Resurrection of F, Frieza declines to have his father wished back since he wanted to be in charge. You'd think if Frieza was really that much stronger than King Cold, he wouldn't care about that since he could easily just kill him if he tried to boss Frieza around (and considering who Frieza is, I have no doubt that he would have no qualms about killing his own father if he needed to).

[@ARCAD3BLOOD]

Maybe King Cold lost the ability to transform into higher forms. Like, the form he's currently at became his base form. Just like Freeza doesn't start with his golden form.

[@MonsieurBlain]

I truly believe King cold at transforming to his final form would've been a much better movie for DBS rather than resurrection of Frieza. It would've felt fresh and a nice backstory would've made a great story

[@MegaNandoXZ]

DragonBall Multiverse: "yes"

[@kai_3788]

The reason that I believe Cold can’t have a transformation is because even if he wasn’t as good at using his upper forms, they would still have to be stronger than the form he was in right now, even if they’re not as efficient. But that would have to make Cold stronger than Frieza by default since the two are already so comparable to one another, and as you said, everyone in the galaxy, even those who knew King Cold, still considered Frieza to be the strongest in the universe. Plus, if we’re bringing in non-canon material with Cooler, we can also talk about DBO/SDBH/Xenoverse, where you can create your own character that’s a part of Frieza’s race, and the amount of customization options implies that members of that species can look like whatever they want, thus making the argument that Cold looks like Frieza’s second form so he must have higher forms, faulty in my eyes.

[@CHT1992]

Freeza's race is known to devolve to weaker states. And we know freeza is a prodigy amongst his race. What if... Cold is incomplete. And his "final form", AKA true base is the form we have seen from him. Or... what if... The concept to reach the final form actually requires control/experience. For example, Freeza had access to his final form probably almost instantly from the point he was born which allowed him to rival his parents. Perhaps he never used it because he did mention that this state of his is something else and that he might not be able to fully control it back on namek. So, it could be possible that Cold lacked the experience and control over his power to actually achieve his true form. This makes sense because we know Cold in his current state was more or less on the same level as Freeza, so he would have to go through the assault form (alien form), which would 2x his current power. That might have been enough to handle trunks or goku as i don't think SSJ trunks was 2x any of these 2 characters and we know goku was a bit stronger than trunks aswell but still not that strong. Then his true final form would push him to be from like 2x to 60x multiplier, based on how much power he would use. So king cold with 2x from third form (alien form), he would have power similar to that of android 18. Perhaps a bit stronger. Another 60x on top of that, would mean... He would make Super Perfect Cell his personal b*tch. With power like this, king cold would be relevant in the buu saga. Not the strongest. I would expect him to be slightly stronger than SSJ2 Goku or majin ssj2 vegeta. If King Cold was around and was to get a majin boost, dude would be nuts and could probably make the initial majin fat buu his b*tch too. Does not imply he could kill him though. The best part of it all, this is based on a king cold that does not train. So if even King Cold was to have all of this power at his disposal, his claims about buu would still remain true, any buu variant would still be stronger than him.

[@user-ft9sd9jr3i]

I think is because Cold doesn’t have time to transform, when Cold saw Trunks cut Freeza in half, he knew he didn’t stand the chance in his second form, but Trunks is not that kind of person who will just stand there and watch. Cold will also be killed during the transformation, so he decided to took away Trunks sword and blindsided him instead.

[@animegx45]

Given how Frieza is gifted and just naturally super strong, I can imagine that King Cold's final form wasn't that much stronger than his normal form anyway. Could've just been twice as strong, but that's not such as big of a power gap when you look at Frieza's base vs his final form. In Trunk's timeline, Goku beat Cold and Goku absolutely would've let him go final form if he wasn't already in it.

[@NightfallShadow]

I still say that Obviously because he can't. The second form imo is the true form. Everything else is a transformation. There would be no reason to have multiple detransformed forms to supress yourself.

[@chesschamp64]

I feel like King Cold was in his final form. Frieza was born in a different tier of power. most of his species are limited to his 1st form, with King Cold being special and his full power being a 2nd Form. though he can restrain himself to a 1st form he chooses to remain at full power due to his insecurity about his height. Frieza who was born with much more power than Cold suppresses himself to an even greater extent.

[@jonolivier9126]

I always thought he stayed in his 2nd for the sake of looking intimidating due to the sheer height he has in the form, I believe being taller than Legendary Broly when you factor in the horns. If Cold doesn't care to battle or exude any force at all, why would he ever use a form that _looks_ significantly less imposing when he can retain the intimidation factor of a really deep and booming voice (complete with a hint of a British accent in the dub) and being like 10 feet tall?

[@Aspharro]

Somehow a trademark of most Dragonball characters to be cocky and over confident