Why Don't More Fighting Games Do This?

[@arimtzv]

Damn, poor Rayman, now no one knows that Kung Foot is something that appeared in Rayman Legends way befor than Brawlhalla was even released :(

[@typhoonbh]

I probably should have mentioned it but I didn't think it was relevant since I'm mostly talking about fighting games.

[@arimtzv]

@@typhoonbh is not relevant but I think it's a funny detail hahaha

[@Sorcerer_Lynx]

i remember it, and in my opinion it was way funnier

[@SalemKFox]

i was just thinking isnt that from Rayman?

[@Smart1529]

I was about to say the same thing, that minigame was fun though

[@floweringnight-lord3008]

God... I remember the days of lethal league, that game was so awesome to play as a 4-player FFA with friends

[@typhoonbh]

FFA was the mod I mostly played

[@EvonixTheGreatest]

I mean it and it's sequel are still around aren't they?

[@illford]

@@EvonixTheGreatest yeah but ig being so niche and weird has kind of turned people off from it

[@Nopal_ku]

Damn my boy Rayman legends got done dirty by not being mentioned

[@SaanWukong]

I also believe why Smash is one of the best selling games of all time because even tho its a Fighting Game, theres SO MUCH content on it the average player from any age

[@KKHell]

I feel like Smash Bros is kinda padded out for extended replay value. Sure there's a metric fuckton of unlockables but AFTER you've unlocked everything, it gets kinda boring again.

[@SaanWukong]

@@KKHell That's a fair statement

[@illford]

@@KKHell nah man you just gotta change the rules. This one of the cool parts of PM you can really fuck with the game settings, flight mode, turbo mode, al-star, launch rate, launch speed, war mode it's so fucking bizzare you can just make it into a different game, there's also the main alt modes like coin and time, there's some weird modded stages like Lethal League as well (it does actually work like lethal league) Tho imo the peak of this in plat fighters is Rivals of Aether i mean someone modded slot racing and chess into the game

[@Mankey619]

Puzzle Kombat, Motor Kombat and Tekken Bowling definitely should make its comeback. Who doesnt want to see Fire God Liu Kang or Omni Man have their own karts to race with.

[@Adeyum64]

Tekken Ball in Tekken 8 tho

[@Zel-Veraan]

​@@Adeyum64 It's solid. But I'd still go for some kart racing.

[@Adeyum64]

@@Zel-Veraan It's cool definetly, but I feel like it's way toooo crazy in a fighting game haha, or sadly not highly requested. It definetly fits well for games like "Yakuza: Like A Dragon" or the Minigame section from Ape Escape. Those games are already crazy to begin with, so the demand is always there for funny minigames.

[@jamesonbowling7577]

Rivals of Tether is my biggest request for the sequel, in all honesty it brings out a certain childish joy in me to smack a virtual ball around a pole with my friends.

[@nito_mhz]

My favorite alternative fighting game mode has to be Motor Kombat had so much fun playing it 😃

[@Sharky_0456]

i thought you were trolling and said mortal kombat lmao

[@Cam10_84]

The bottle slicing game in SF6 is for learning Charge inputs. There's also the other versus modes in SF6 like score battle.

[@claudiomonteverdi847]

them's fightin herds, story mode. no doubts in my mind. an rpg mixed with boss battles that teach you the basics of fighting games. Absolute legend of a mode, so sad it was discontinued

[@AlphaZeroX96]

Discontinued? Why?

[@HELLRAISER02]

I think what you mentioned at the beginning is the most logical reason, games becoming hella expensive means putting resources into mini games would take even more money But what i dont get is that friend lobbies cant run tekken ball :( Tho ill say that since capcom just emulated their old games they got it easier with way less money Mini games are cool cuz you can see the chars express themselves outside of constant fighting

[@typhoonbh]

Yeah it probably is expensive so I don't expect indie games to do it but I think the big triple a studios can.

[@HELLRAISER02]

@@typhoonbh the only way an indie team could prolly addminigamesis either by reusing assets and changing the objective or making something very small, but adding online support would definitely make it take longer

[@typhoonbh]

@@HELLRAISER02 true

[@defeated7836]

Man homerun derby from smash is top tier

[@Supersaxable]

Glad you're appearing in my recommended videos again. Easily one of my favorite smaller FGC/Plat Fighter creator

[@typhoonbh]

Thank you!

[@NewGabeOrder]

For me? It is a team battle game mode where one player selects more than one fighter, and has to play different fighters for losing rounds or getting knocked out. It's a shame most fighting games like Smash Ultimate, SoulCalibur II and most Tekken games don't use this rule as the tournament standard, but I am down to see more team-based fighting games in the competitive scene.

[@brucenatelee]

I love seeing Tekken Ball coming back, but even more shocked that Street Fighter 6 did it first over half a year prior. I like alternative game modes. Fun is why I game, not just dick measuring. I personally prefer modes that still use the fighting game system, like Tekken Ball and what SF6 did more so than, um... bowling. I liked the 3D Mortal Kombat era stuff, like the chess and kart racing. Then there were the modifications in Mortal Kombat X (like dipswitches from SF3:TS or CvSNK2). This made the games fun. Unfortunately, online is "all that matters" to the FGC now, which makes it less about exploring what fighting games can do and just pure competition. I like modifiers, but games like MvC3 had it and it was for online only and not offline as well (a card system, I think). Imagine playing those tower modifier from MK11, but in multiplayer. Broken, obviously, but hell, hilarious as fuck. It's like gaming lost the point of just being fun. Everything is too serious now, even the genres themselves.

[@typhoonbh]

Especially with riot releasing a fighting game soon a lot of the focus has been on the esports side but very few people actually get the chance to compete.

[@austinwilcox9290]

My favorite mini game in a fighting game is fighting the fucking tower in guilty gear strive. I spend at least a quarter of my time doing that!

[@Rambrant]

I'm surprised you didn't mention blazblue cause they have had a lot of single player content in every game

[@lenardregencia]

Fighter-based Racing Mode will be an awesome extra content.

[@The-Man-BH]

My favourite game mode by far in Brawlhalla in Dodgebomb. It's very easy to learn yet still manages to be a ton of fun.

[@shaghilathar3588]

Another fresh idea, good job man! I think smash bros should have been a slam dunk with extra modes that arent fighting but for some reason it only seems to have the baseball thing. And tekken force is kinda halfway its own mode. Id like to see you take a look at the different Tekken force modes at some point

[@Spit1990]

KZbin, I didn't skip an ad to watch another one. This is why I use an ad block on my laptop and mobile browser.

[@aramondehasashi3324]

Yes! Finally a video about extra mini games in fighting games and you brought up MK! So many other creators never bring them up. One of my favorites is the challenge tower from MK9. It's had stuff like shooting Cyrax's bomb into moving buckets and shooting zombies coming at Stryker. I don't know why NRS hasn't brought it back.

[@ivymuncher]

here to say that your videos are beautifully written and edited if youre ever feeling down, know that your effort is appreciated by at least one person out there good luck on your content journey, youre seriously underrated

[@typhoonbh]

Thank you, it is tough sometimes when videos don’t turn out as expected but as long as someone appreciates it that’s all that matters

[@cheeseadmirer]

Holy shit Yomi Hustle jumpscare

[@typhoonbh]

real

[@owencmyk]

Banger video, I 100% agree with literally all of this. And don't worry, I'd never click off a video just because you mention Brawlhalla.

[@typhoonbh]

I appreciate it. And yeah I was mostly joking but some people get really upset by brawlhalla idk why

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

This is especialy important when these little FUN games (that last bit is important) unconsciously teach you fundamentals, like how hit the targets tests your knowlage of how to traverse with your character and move proprieties, homerun contest teaches how damage affects knockback, and on top of that it has an element of competitiveness between players, leading them to try to improve on those aspects on their own and experiment Even in my game i aim to add unique minigames, one of them is a fight against a mosquito, its tiny, moves around a lot and hits as weak as a real one, it will easly make new players figure out where each move hits and how fast/slow it comes out

[@typhoonbh]

This is exactly how mini games should be (at least for fighting games). Although I don’t mind if it doesn’t teach anything as long as it’s fun.

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

@@typhoonbh yep, thats true😅

[@linux750]

Thanks for talking about this. Now Im gonna vent for a second. Here goes: Ahem, WHERE ARE THE EXTRA GAME MODES FOR TEKKEN 8? We have Story Mode, Arcade Quest, Online Mode, And Tekken Ball. That is far fewer than Tekken games used to have. Tekken used to have all of this: Story Mode Tekken Force Mode Survival Battle Team Battle Tag Battle Tekken Bowl Tekken Ball Combot Tuning A Deep Customization Mode Why does Tekken 8 have LESS content than Tekken 3, 4, 5, and 6? Maybe new members of the development team never knew the innovative charm of the older games and can't recreate the magic of the older titles. This goes for not just Tekken but other games too. Games used to have many modes for single players and co-op players. Now it's just 3 things. Story Mode, Online Competition, and The Battle Pass. Games used to be designed by people to charm others. Now they are manufactured to extract money from wallets. It's a shame. Thanks for reading my rant.

[@GiGiTheCatjoy]

My favorite fighting game, Rivals of Aether, has a Tetherball gamemode and an "Abyss" mode, which is essentially a co-op version of Multi-Man Melee where the goal changes with each wave. It's pretty awesome. :]

[@Emiridian]

I’m just old enough to remember beating the hell out of the car in (I think?) Street Fighter II as well as the iconic “Test Your Might” brick breaking mini game in Mortal Kombat. Even little things like those would be amazing to have thrown into modern fighting games

[@kol-des]

I actually have a lot of fun playing Grand Bruise Legends in GBVSR (the fall guys-like minigame lol) it gives you profile cosmetics and money you can use in the main game too. It's very chaotic and wacky and provides a much needed casual break from grinding ranked all day. Queuing up with friends is also super fun, no party invite system but usually we can match together if we queue at the same time about 99% of the time.

[@typhoonbh]

I’m glad some games have started to take this approach

[@Skallva]

I only hope we get more stages soon. Stage 2s really start dragging after a while, especially the survival one, and in general, there isn't all that much variety atm. At least we know the updates are coming though.

[@maximixdu91]

Broooooo I’m so glad you bring up Motor Kombat cause I was juicing that mode on MORTAL KOMBAT ARMAGEDDON like it was sooooo fun

[@donstarlancer]

Playing fighting games is like literally being a D&D wizard, including getting waylaid occasionally

[@KKHell]

Ehrgeiz and Tobal had dungeon crawler RPG modes.

[@phatboilo9512]

my dream mini game would be for bandai namco to add back tekken forces but its more like bloody palace from devil may cry but just add coop into the mix

[@Spit1990]

Mortal Kombat. How the mighty have fallen. Our latest single player mode is Invasions: a boardgame-lite with nothing interesting in it.

[@jjjbj5965]

In terms of the story mode thing, Mortal Kombat did that with the konquest mode back in Armageddon and Deception. They were pretty good from what I remember and they had a lot of content, you should check them out!

[@necromax13]

3v3 brawlball in brawlhalla was one of the highlights of the pandemic.

[@PUNWP3_YT]

bro i was not expecting YOMI Hustle at the beggining

[@rebree5137]

Wait lethal League is a fighting game? I thought the ball thing was the point?

[@typhoonbh]

@@rebree5137 the point is to hit your opponent, the ball is a weapon

[@ardidsonriente2223]

Tekken 8 have its own version of the arcade mode from VF.

[@spicetea4060]

I think the reason Brawlhalla has done so well is because its fun.

[@typhoonbh]

being free to play also helps

[@ahmadhamza1871]

Been thinking of possible making an indie fighting game later when I’m a more experienced dev. If that does ever happen I will make sure to implement every mode from here.

[@notabotnotabot]

you’ve got such a nice voice for commentary, definitely checking out that second channel

[@typhoonbh]

I appreciate that!

[@notabotnotabot]

@@typhoonbh turns out I already saw that video but it only hit me about halfway thru watching it again 😂 keep up the good work man

[@MM_Meh]

great video, a pop shield can help with your audio's plosives.

[@2001coolchemist]

Tekken volleyball, soent hours with my bro on that thing. Also world-tour challanege or whatever it was called on SF alpha 3 (PS) coz it unlocked characters.

[@PsychologyStud]

Mortal Kombat Chess is probably my favorite.

[@lukemagnotta7338]

But fr tho imagine an evo top 8 mode in sf6 where you had to fight through CPUs trained on Kakeru, Tokido, MenaRD, Punk, and AngryBird twice! That sounds like such a fun challenge

[@eigengrau1]

Not to forget good old Tekken-Force Mode.. I would love to see this (especially in other franchises)

[@SomeDudeOtaku]

One thing I think limits these extra game modes is that a lot of players use a form of arcade stick to play fighting games. So even something like a lobby is tricky to control with a single stick. Yea you can swap out the controller but it's an extra hassle.

[@typhoonbh]

True, something like motor kombat would definitely suffer from that but the mini games that use hard inputs (left right up down etc) would still work the same no matter what controller.

[@namepending3795]

Sed thing is that if they bring extra mods they'll more than likely charge us for that

[@AshRiot81]

The mini games in the old Tekken games were always on point the volleyball and bowling games me and my friends probably played more than the actual fighting 😂

[@coletakahashi-s9d]

I like the Olympics mode in the neo geo pocket version because you can use your points to unlock new super moves.

[@mxcascade]

my personal favourite for alternative mode probably has to be the subspace emissary from Smash Brawl. Turning smash into a more adventure platformer style game is a great change of pace (Something Spiritfall has also been fun in playing with its roguelike take on smash) and the goofy character interactions with 0 dialogue remind me a bit of old lego games. I especially love playing it with Project M/Project+ installed which just makes it so much more enjoyable and has been a personal favourite way of introducing friends to smash without throwing them in the deep end.

[@sonic-bb]

i used to play mortal kombat kart racing game all the time back in the day lol. great times

[@lack_of_reality]

I wish they brought back Break the Targets to Smash, the speedrunner in me lived for that. Also, anyone who played Ragdoll Kung-Fu remembers all those wacky modes

[@garbageknights]

One thing to mention is that Brawlhalla has linear progress. The Gold you earn to buy characters and colours. Experience that can get you colours like the coveted black. And the very generous Battle Passes when they are out. Brawlhalla is my go-to chill fighting game.

[@MythicMachina]

One of the funniest extra modes belong to one of the older MK games (I think 3?). When you put in a certain cheat code, the game will give you a message that you must "face a challenge from your past". It's literally just Pong. No fancy MK Pong, just the original Pong. It is by FAR the funniest joke I think any fighting game has every had.

[@eglaiosdeminecraft9259]

Idk, I think fighting games are ok being just fighting games, and if you wanna change gameplay, you can just install other games... And if players really want to play their fav characters in something else, maybe it's just better to make a whole separate game to fulfill this purpose, like BlazBlue EE I don't buy a game expecting it will get me hooked all year long, but the thing is, that's right what live service aims for, so pretty sure there're gonna be tons of alternate minigames in the upcoming big fighters.

[@typhoonbh]

That’s a completely understandable take, although I guess in a way a mini game could be effective at being a teaser for a full release if it is received well.

[@xXspringsXx]

When you said Brawlhalla I definitely wasnt expecting that answer, when I should have... Thats my favorite game of all time an ded earned you a subsciber

[@maryo8039]

Rivals tetherball with the candyman workshop character because he comes with the ball from lethal league

[@SteelThane]

Need a fighting game that has the random, completely unique card game that jrpgs have

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Most of the time, people really don't play the alternate game modes. So the people that do want them oftentimes just can't find anyone to play with. That's probably the main issue. In DragonBall FighterZ there's the Arena which is directly in the middle of the entire hub. It's huge, it's massive and everyone has to run around it just to access the casual/ranked matchmaking. Yet even on peak hours, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone playing arena matches unless they just booted up the game for the first time or extremely new. Even as someone with over 1300 hours in the game, I still try to play arena matches and maybe I'll find 1 person. And that person is likely to quit because they may not be as experienced as I am.

[@Yano83]

you shoud check JoJo's Bizarre Adventure heritage for the future for psx/DC , it was 2D fighting game similar to SF, but had also story mode representing almost every anime "fight" - most of them weren't regular 1v1 fights, but some weird non-combat duels. this is reproduced in the game using mini-games, for example a poker game, a sidescrolling shooter game, a sidescrolling fighting game, a QTE with dialogues and others, i loved this game, even back then i didnt know much about jojo manga/anime

[@FoxxNoodles]

Man, Lethal League was soooo cool. I love that so much. And I agree with you fully. I got 3 Seasonal Ranked Titles in Brawlhalla, I love those silly modes.

[@typhoonbh]

The seasonal ranked modes are such a good addition, competitive but I don't feel like I have to take it seriously.

[@heysoggyitsmeboostxd2467]

nice, ive taken a fat break on brawlhalla a few years ago. sometimes i hop in and see whats up. have roughly 8k hours more or less. was playing since beta.

[@OtakuUnderground92]

It’s not really a mini-game, but I wish Tekken would bring back Tekken Force mode. That was really cool back in the day. I totally get where your coming from. I personally don’t care about being competitive with most of these traditional fighting games, so I’d always get bored after a while with the lack of content once the story mode is done.

[@edu_inacio621]

Thetherball in Rivals of Aether, my beloved

[@Decimusmeridius212]

I love kung foot on brawl remember it from rayman legends used to play a lot of that game, fun that he and others from the game are in if not characters but crossovers, kung foot goes wild, brawlball and the vollebrawl i think also loads a fun with frienfs

[@SnowGoD.27]

just remember that my boy Rayman deserves credit for kung foot

[@typhoonbh]

True

[@whoareyou4002]

great video as always

[@typhoonbh]

Thanks!

[@lamMeTV]

Screw tutorial mode. We need daily quests like in the Xbox release of third strike. "Do 20 anti air reversals" and stuff

[@JaxonTarabelsi]

the video is super slick! What application do you use to edit?

[@typhoonbh]

mostly after effects and a bit of premiere pro

[@billbobert]

typhoon makes such good videos

[@typhoonbh]

Thanks!

[@ultraponey-bh7204]

Bro is no cap the best youtuber , by pure curiosity , where do you come from mate ?

[@typhoonbh]

Canada

[@TakaComics]

Tekken 8s Super Ghost Battle is that mode where you can play pros' profiles. And, the Tekken team's ghosts will give you special cosmetics, like outfits for the characters...or in the case of Harada's profile, an achievement and special title 😂 it isn't perfect, but it's fun!

[@typhoonbh]

I didn’t know that, that’s cool!

[@AlanJonesu]

Does any who plays Tekken 8 knows if the arcade quest mode emulates that arcade mode from Virtual Fighter 4?

[@typhoonbh]

someone said ghost battle does

[@AlanJonesu]

@@typhoonbh Oh, cool! I've only played story mode and offline 2p with a pal since release. Thank you! Your videos are entertaining to watch!

[@felman87]

Tekken did have some fun stuff. The side-scrolling in 3 was fun. Tekken 5 had that awful Devil Within mode, but it was just so dull. You did unlock Devil Jin by beating it but I just went through story mode a whole bunch of times to unlock it. It was the more fun way.

[@orbunda3509]

for me fighting games always had a balancing problem. for example ryu could always instantly do a move while guile always had to charge up 1-2 seconds for a move and so on. sometimes ur opponent wasn't even better, just has a better character. that's why i always enjoyed mk1,2&3 the most, cuz all chars were basically the same, it was true skill back then.

[@Skulls-for-Cats]

Stuff like what was mentioned in this video is why I quickly dropped King of Fighters XV even though I was super excited for it and pre-ordered the damn thing. When I saw "Mission Mode" I was expecting it to at the very least contain Time Attack and Survival like it did in XIV, but nope, just boring Trials. Granted they added a Boss Challenge mode, but it's a novelty more than anything. You fight a boss that's trying to simulate the "SNK Boss Syndrome" from the arcade times, but after defeating the boss and unlocking said boss, their costume and stage, there's very little motivation to return to that mode. It's essentially akin to a mobile gacha game event. Play, get the rewards, never touch again. Other than that, the game is pretty barebones, modes wise.

[@OS_Erol]

You didnt mention Brawlball in Brawlhalla here... Which is probably the most played side mode in any fighting game considering we have seasonal Tournaments

[@matlotl]

Time and scope limitations during the development process. Scopes have grown so far that there is sadly rarely much time/budget/etc to put into side modes - and this goes for pretty much all games nowadays. As such, the side modes you do tend to see struggle to be very substantial - to use smash as an example, I personally feel like the only truly great modes in the series have been subspace emissary in brawl, smash run in 3ds, and world of light (to a point) in ultimate. Pretty much everything else just kinda... sucks. Most of them consist of variants of the core multiplayer fighting mode, but since its against CPUs they just aren't very fun. Multi man smash, classic mode, all star - all are *fine* but few are truly good. Its just a limitation on development resources at the end of the day, so they can only really focus on the core draw mode of the game and nothing else.

[@jorge86rodriguez]

I fully agree with this 100%, single player content is fine for initial sales but it won`t help with player retention, casuals will complete it and be done. But with mini games they can have fun for ages. I really think the focus should be on multiplayer fun games, instead of single player content.

[@typhoonbh]

Exactly, these games have higher replay value than a story mode

[@beenis08]

I like the minigame built into Strive, the one that DOESNT LET ME PLAY ONLINE STILL GODFUC-

[@typhoonbh]

rip

[@offthesplat5863]

we honestly need fun modes in fighting games, the reason why I leave fighting games for games like overwatch or apex is cuz they at least offer more fun, fighting games is really just competitive to the point that it gets annoying having to learn an 80 hour setup just to win 5/16 matches.

[@Eaguru]

I never understood the love for these half-baked minigames. Seeing the characters of the main fighting game in them is neat, I guess, but if I wanted a real fleshed out experience for any type of mini game I always felt better served just... playing something else. I hate the idea of development time (especially with how small these teams can be stretched) spent on superfluous modes instead of honing the main core of the game. Guess I just don't get it.

[@typhoonbh]

I can definitely understand that, I think some of it has to do with nostalgia and also there are a surprising amount of players who mostly play offline/single player so a lot of these mini games are marketed towards attracting casual players. I agree though if the dev team is already spread thin they should focus on the core game, but I do think it could be beneficial to triple a studios who have enough resources.

[@Micha-Hil]

you might as well get more game out of your game to keep playing the game you game, right?

[@funky_fiend]

LETHAL LEAGUE SPOTTED

[@Leahcimmichael]

Motor Kombat is the best MK game mode

[@typhoonbh]

True

[@Jjnq5]

yeah you're right gaming has gotten too serious and it's so trash

[@typhoonbh]

I’m all for being competitive but sometimes it’s okay to not take everything so seriously

[@Kabra2012]

I wanna know why so many competitive types are so opposed to Single Player content and party modes. Especially before Tekken 8 got released, I saw that sentiment so many times whenever someone brought up story mode n such

[@purplechemillion609]

My 2 favorites were always tekken bowling and chess kombat😊

[@Zadamanim]

kung foot looks really similar to something from one of the rayman games, i think rayman origins?

[@typhoonbh]

that's where it originates from

[@j.howlett]

What's the name of the game at 0:10?

[@madhavendrasingh8158]

@@j.howlett yomi hustle

[@madhavendrasingh8158]

Yomi hustle

[@dialectiks]

I NEED this for tekken

[@Dynacho]

Check out duels of fortune! Its free and although it does have online yet it has tons of singleplayer content

[@typhoonbh]

I’ll look it up

[@N008ST3R]

3:27 or is it?

[@WitnessesSay]

I don’t think free side modes should be the expectation in a world where everybody should have at least one other game to play. Yes, if they exist you’re “technically” not getting off the game as often as others, you’re just playing a different enough game within the same game that still counts to your hours and makes it look like your good because of how many hours you get by also playing the mini game. If anything i just see them as distractions from the main game and only adding fuel to fire of stagnation.

[@spellcaster_arcalis]

hustle jumpscare

[@typhoonbh]

real

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

I guess you want a "game of games" games, kinda like roblox but it's about games within a game, as opposed to a list of released games made with one engine for it. I mean, I feel like that should it outside of fighting games too, like shooter games, y'know.

[@Sagfanfan]

how do people hate on brawl

[@typhoonbh]

It happens a lot

[@zage932]

The people hate the toxic people that play brawl

[@Supersaxable]

I think it's fair to say that most design decisions in Brawlhalla are polarizing. People are either going to like or hate them. Just the way it is. Personally, I think playing Brawlhalla is a miserable experience, but I'm not going to give anyone trouble for liking it

[@lrgogo1517]

What’s the Mario Kart remix that plays in this?

[@TriMoblin]

Just saying Candyman (the yellow guy) is the GOAT