Why Don't More Games Let You Play As A Villain?

[@zoenayru]

Simply put , We are the heroes of our own stories , but without realising we could also be the villains of another person's story.

[@theglitches741]

Qufox my God that's deep

[@agonleed3841]

The Glitches lol

[@froniqqa-6619]

~Qufox

The Glitches That's what she said

[@fiftyshadesofcat8502]

that reminds me of the "lonesome road" dlc for fallout new vegas.

[@thebatmeth2361]

The best kind of Villain is one that believes they are the hero...

[@davidmadsen2761]

Handsome Jack

[@thebatmeth2361]

DavidMadsen “You are a bandit, I AM THE GODAMN HERO!”

[@sixunity1171]

DavidMadsen i exaxtly thought that

[@thebatmeth2361]

+njott Or psychopathic, menacing creeps xD

[@RodimusPrime29]

KOTOR

[@balbanesbeoulve5245]

We all are our heroes of our own story. So maybe we are the bad guy for a lot of people in the games and we see us as the good guy?

[@cosmonauthal7651]

Balbanes Beoulve That's really the motive behind borderlands 2

[@shinoblitz9641]

Balbanes Beoulve history is written by the victory, so if you’re making a game with new characters and you don’t outright say who’s the hero or the villain most times the “villain” would be seen as an antihero, like take John Marston, for the time he was a villain, he was in a gang, robbed some banks, killed a bunch of people and when he left and got caught up with the law they said hunt down your former gang and you get your family back, he did that and he was expecting to go free but that wasn’t the deal, in the end he still had to be held accountable for the hundreds he’s killed and in the end he was killed, we see him as an anti hero because we see his point of view as the person trying to get out of the gang and law drama but if we look on the sid rod the law John marathon is an ex gang member and criminal that may get his family set free but still has to pay for his killing spree. The POV changes villains into antiheroes

[@BlueBD]

But are we Superman level of hero or batman level of hero. I feel most people would be Batman level of hero....Or even punisher.

[@nathannathan5735]

Good and bad don't exist, it's all subjective

[@DeerestAshe]

Good is dependent on the team, for halo an example the master chief is the bad guy/demon the grunts literally blow themselves up at an attempt to be a hero The covenant see master chief as a enemy/bad guy In halo 2 as the arbiter are you the bad guys or are you the good guys? Another easy example of the good side In a multiplayer game your team is the good side, and the opponent the bad guys, however it’s the same for that team.

[@RevReverend]

I’ve always kinda wanted to play as a team rocket grunt in a Pokémon game

[@spaceleopard6127]

Maybe then there wouldn't be so many children running around in the HQ beating up all the pets and stealing half of our money

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Standing in place waiting for a player to come then lose, cause winning would end the game

[@cin2110]

Champion team rocket grunt aproaches

[@RevReverend]

Space Leopard There should be an elite squad of team rocket grunts trained to take out children

[@RevReverend]

MisterJeebus or just be a really good grunt and capture other Pokémon

[@thedarkknight727]

No man choose evil because it is evil; he only mistake it for happiness, the good he seeks. -Mary Wollstonecraft

[@kalelson8861]

Francisco Garcia Mary never heard the phrase "The lesser of two evils"

[@thedarkknight727]

Kal'elson 88: What do you mean. 🤔

[@kalelson8861]

Francisco Garcia Between a rock and a hard place? Basically when faced with only immoral decisions choosing the less immoral one is a given. Save the world or save your loved one...what do you decide? No matter your choice it's essentially evil imo

[@Mr32chalk]

There is no good or evil only opposing sides

[@nevec1991]

I have a feeling you missed a couple of s

[@chadpollock2408]

The Overlord series is a good example, it's kinda like if Sauron was dropped in a wacky version of middle earth but had little goblins instead of orcs. They are tons of fun imo and wish there were more.

[@chadpollock2408]

jordan isle

[@andrewscheuermann61]

All goblins are a breed of orc that has branched off, not all orcs are goblins however

[@Argonak1]

Andrew Scheuermann prove it then.

[@andrewscheuermann61]

In the context of Middle-Earth and Lord of the Rings, Orc and Goblin are used interchangeably. Howevet, goblins can be inferred to be a subspecies based on thier depiction in movies and the fact that goblins are usually mentioned when referencing creatures living in the misty mountains

[@andrewscheuermann61]

On a side note, the scientific method would dictate you provide evidence to your own claim on the contrary to that of the opposing claim, rather than demanding for evidence without providing it yourself

[@hahahakim]

Game protagonist:"This guy. Is about to kill thousands of innocent people, we need to stop him" *game protagonist literally kills thousands of soldiers to stop the bad guy*

[@superkingarmaan9875]

haa, haa funny but true.

[@vaibhavnagar5384]

anti-hero maybe?

[@mandalorian_guy]

Every game of Fallout, unless you are a pacifist, your character slaughters thousands of raiders and junkies.

[@Partylikeits-br7bb]

hakim The keyword is "INNOCENT". Not killing those thousands of soldiers/aliens/mutants etc would result in more deaths.

[@AriTBG]

hakim *slaughters thousands of soldiers and henchman* "No, I won't kill you, im not like you! I don't kill like you!"

[@Cherryptls]

This counts as research for my Game Dev course. Right?

[@sireislas3903]

A Drunken Pug yes

[@leafy_cynical6732]

Yes it gives you a different POV for the protagonist where they are not a hero

[@MyTermsOfService]

Should

[@mixmasterX28]

A Drunken Pug yes definitly

[@RyoKatsumata]

A Drunken Pug Of course

[@fernandobarragan8074]

I just want a game where I'm the villain and I have my own minions and such, and I have to deal with a pesky hero who is getting in the way of my evil plans.

[@Richie_P]

Then you better like losing, because if your minions ever defeated the pesky hero the game would be over. And if the hero gets past all your minions and fights you face to face then maybe you could beat him in the final battle, but only after losing the whole game up until that point.

[@fernandobarragan8074]

That makes total sense but I think it would still be fun, that's the reason there aren't any games like that but a man can dream

[@VegasA3]

Pick up Overlord, you play as a villain with minions

[@fernandobarragan8074]

Sounds good I will give it a try

[@VegasA3]

I think it's a little cartoonish, though so don't have too high hopes

[@alexandrebeck3665]

The best kind of villian is a relatble one

[@thebatmeth2361]

Strange Dog Games yeah... or also the ones that make u piss urself and tremble with fear and menace

[@dr.strange5419]

Like the airport scene in COD:MW

[@eagann92]

Relatability is overrated

[@mikeoxmaul577]

Wondered the same thing this whole time. Villains are often times more relatable than most heroes.

[@tru3nz]

Bones Senpai 100% agree. Lets be honest, we are all Villains.

[@Ebani]

Not really, at least not true villains. It's more along the lines of romantizicing outlaws bc they're their own man and that's what ppl can relate to, freedom.

[@partychriscool]

Bones Senpai I

[@1Piecer]

DevilManCryBaby, Edgy

[@mikeoxmaul577]

DevilManCryBaby- Lmao we are all broken huh?

[@imranriyaz383]

Assassins creed 3 did a good job in potraying the motivations of the villain as we played as haytham kenway

[@jebb7054]

Imran Riyaz What about Assasins creed rogue?

[@imranriyaz383]

Arnes Alickovic ya that too

[@barryallenporter8127]

Most of the Assassin’s Creed games do this. Majority of the Templars have noble goals; peace, order, a better world. There’s the ones who are solely in it for power like Cesare. But Al Mualim, all the Templars in AC3 except for Church, The Ottoman Templars in revelations. They all really only want positive change. The assassins are basically anarchists, and they view any sort of hierarchy as evil. The Templars claim the majority of people cannot handle having the freedom to govern themselves, and time and time again they’re proven right.

[@runbaa9285]

Barry Allen Porter With Origins basically confirming that Watch Dogs and AC takes place in the same universe, I wonder if Abstergo is going to have a competition regarding the state of order. I'd love to see a three-way secret war going on here.

[@shadow_psych7069]

Barry Allen Porter Good point, but your analogy of the Templars and Assassins is exactly the point that Falcon is making. After we got to play Haythem in AC3 and got to see the perspective of the Templars, we could understand why they're doing what they're doing. The 2 factions ultimately want the same thing, at least in concept, which is peace, the end of pointless suffering, prosperity for the world and the ppl who live in it, but they have different beliefs on how best to achieve that goal. This divide is one of the most difficult and complicated manifestations of reality and choice, not only in video games but IRL too. It's impossible to know who is right and who is wrong between the Templars and Assassins, therefore it's also impossible to know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, cuz a choice must be made and once it's made we can't know the outcome of the option that wasn't chosen. You might jump to the conclusion that the Assassins are the good guys, since they're the ones fighting for freedom, but in the context of the game there exists tools through which total control is actually possible. So, I ask, how can we logically conclude that free will is preferable when all evidence suggests it's not only the cause of all the problems but we've also never known any other method? Because remember, in the context of the game, it's not the same as historical enslavement because it would be through mind control. Which begs another question. If the world was under mind control, would it even be possible to know that you're being controlled? And if this truly lead to world peace and prosperity, would that not be preferable? You can't miss what you don't know, you don't have. This is why free will is considered to be preferable, because we THINK we have it, but do we? How do we know the controller hasn't made us believe we do? How could we ever know otherwise? Peace cannot exist so long as choice is an option, because individuals make choices and collectives make peace, but only because of a choice.

[@Aaron_Jensen]

What do you mean? One of the biggest games of 2017, Battlefront 2, gave us the chance to play a rich campaign that had us sided with the Empire... oh wait that lasted like 3 levels.

[@Nickelback8469]

*Spoilers* even in though you play as an imperial soldier, a few missions in and you're already the "good" guy.

[@lookforagoodname4274]

Absolute bs hated that how do you go from hardcore empire spec ops to rebel

[@czechpatriot2230]

Aaron Jensen Empire did nothing wrong.

[@Aaron_Jensen]

Mr Mccreamy -Honestly I can completely understand Iden defecting to the Rebel Alliance after seeing her home world being sacrificed for the Empire's survival. We see the same thing happen in real life. People fight and die for the cause that they grew up amongst because they've never had a reason to question their actions. It's typically not until the boot starts tramplingon something that personally affects them before the cognitive dissonance shatters. That being said I still hate how they handled Iden turning. It should have been at least half of the campaign worth of character development before we finally see her changing sides. I'd still rather of had a whole game as the empire though. With the Rebel's story woven in seamlesslyalong the way.

[@shadowbladeems4053]

Aaron Jensen even that was stupid though, blowing up a loyal imperial world first?

[@VinnieLC_Me]

Every villain is the hero of his own story. And every hero, the villain of another.

[@1997lordofdoom]

And then there is the masterpiece that is called Fallout: New Vegas.

[@kingjamestres]

I'm probably going to get hated on for this but I think your thought process was a bit skewed when you made this video. 1. A villain by your standard is one whose ultimate goal is destruction. 2. Anything that doesn't do that in this context is somehow an antihero? 3. You are aware that anti-hero is just an unconventional hero right? He doesn't have to be an asshole. 4. How does sympathy for a villain disqualify their villain status? 5. Simply because you understand a villain's motives doesn't mean you stop being a horrible person. 6. I don't understand the linear story case. 7. Choosing to enslave the human race instead of destroying it doesn't make you a better person if you get my gist. 8. You should have clearly defined what type of villain before going further into the video.

[@alexanerose4820]

1.) Yeah. Those are more destructive forces of nature than villains who have a reasonable goal 2.)Same sentiments here 3.)True but witha hero being all noble, kind, brave, caring, and etc being one is kinda the common trait 4.)It's easy to completely hate a villain and just kill him. The moment you know is the moment you care and the moment you care is the moment he is no longer a villain but a simple enemy. Villains can only be slain or victorious, enemies can always become friends. 5.)Well horrible person is kinda subjective. For example the hero slaying multitudes of minions who are probably friends, comrades, and etc make the hero a horrible person because...well..genocide and all that. 6.)Linear stories need good narratives and good characters since you can't influence them. Hence they need to be made attractive and relatebale which would then make them sympathetic. Once you get sympathetic you get invested and then you want them to win and then so on. Remember in a game you need to kill the villain. 7.)True but it makes you a lesser evil or heck even the good guy considering that it's better to always live then die. 8.)Agree

[@MalistadMusic]

I think people are using "anti-hero" way too loosely. It's merely a lack of idealism and established morality...which describes most average people without their pretenses. But they are hardly going out and harming people, which a lot of video game characters in fact do lol

[@GrayFox370]

You just analyzed pretty much 95% of Gameranx videos regarding these topics. They don't do any research and just talk out of their ass.

[@NMG.11]

In the first Overlord game it was a pretty good morality system, you could be Heroic or Evil, you had different quest choises which had a heavy impact on your moral level, you could feed the first village or keep the food for your minions (as a bonus evil booster you could loot all of their homes too) and so on. And depending on your moral level, you could expect rebel villagers or not, and if you're at max Evil status you gained a demonic vibe, aura, extra horns on your armor, and also enhanced damage on spells and attacks. The moral outcomes were actually named Good Evil Overlord and True Evil Overlord, just for the lols, because you are actually supposed to be evil in the game but you can choose.

[@kingjamestres]

NMG 11 Yeah such a great game I enjoyed 1&2.

[@h.plovecat4307]

Because no one understands how to create a convincing bad guy that you cheer for.

[@doommaker4000]

Brain Stem Soup Handsome Jack? Vaas?

[@itisaturtle9391]

Alex Mercer?

[@sherenfaruka3234]

Brain Stem Soup pagan min

[@FSousA7X]

I really like Handsome Jack, one of the best villains ever (or anti-hero, after TPS)

[@iwatchyoutube5111]

EnigmA I’d love one too but I’d question if someone could pull one off really well

[@user-vx2vd7gk8p]

Overlord on the 360/PS3/PC is the best example of the protagonist being a fully-fledged villain. Cartoonishly evil and all.

[@vullord666]

I don’t know what this game is but now need it remastered

[@viprthered]

I would love to see a remaster of those games it was a THQ published game I wonder who owns the rights to that Ip

[@realism_logic]

I only know the anime but yeah, that guy is evil. He cares about his few pawns, but the rest of the world can go to hell, as far as he's concerned.

[@Skullbushi]

@realism, logic he isn't speaking about that overlord

[@realism_logic]

@João Sousa Oh. :')

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

Lol anyone remember Destroy All Humans and its sequel for PS2? That was a awesome game from my childhood and you were a villain and it was awesome

[@jeffdunnie6529]

TheDeadPoolfan I loved that game so much

[@kinghazythethird]

So glad its getting a remake!

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Well, Crypto is doing what he's gonna do to save his mankind from extinction from humans. Also, humans aren't the heroes of the story, they are monsters in the point of view of a villain. That's the same thing for Invader Zim.

[@MegamanNova]

I was surprised nobody mentioned playing the Zerg campaign in Starcraft and it's expasion - Broodwar (the player as a Cerebrate). Also playing the Undead campaigns for both Warcraft and the Frozen Throne expansion controlling Arthas. You can't find any good that you, as a player, would do to each of their game worlds.

[@Woodland_Wizard]

never played SC1, but in the 2nd game Cerrigan is taking revenge on a bad guy, which is good in the narrative. While the zerg are just trying to survive and spread, as many animals do, which might not be good, but not really bad either imo. The Undead campaign in WC3 has a lot going on behind the scenes. Ner'Zul is using Arthas to get rid of the dreadlords that supervise him, so that he can bring the scourge against the Legion, thus saving Azeroth. ...kinda

[@ratcheeto]

in sc1 kerrigan acts entirely in the interest of the zerg and kills a lotta people. in brood war she acts entirely in her own interests and kills even more people. in sc2 she's "no longer controlled" by the overmind or something along those lines but up until then she only does what she does for power and control. and in wc3 while the scourge do rebel and help save azeroth, he's still only motivated by revenge but i guess whether or not that's evil is up to you.. my point is that the motivations of even the most 2 dimensional villains are pretty much just that- power, control, and i guess for villains like the joker, chaos. if we want to define that as evil, then i'd say kerrigan at least fits that description

[@Suksass]

Except for the fact that Zerg are not evil. And Kerrigan acts in the interest of Zerg. And that is even before we mention SC2. You can't simply designate the whole nation or race as evil. Undead are definitely an evil race in Warcraft 3 as they are servants of demons. But isn't Frozen Throne campaign about Sylvanas freeing the undead from Demons control? Makes Her more of the hero. Arthas remains evil, though mostly due to the Frostmourne sword and later lich king armour.

[@ratcheeto]

yeah my comment was worded poorly. i agree with you, the point i was trying to make applies pretty much only to brood war; where the overmind is dead and she doesn't seem to act for the zerg, but for herself

[@Suksass]

I haven't played brood war but know a bit of it. Technically she still acts in the interest of Zergs as she has her own vision for them. She has been Zergified after all. The problem with that narrative is that Zerg way of survival is absorbing other species. From our stand point this might seem evil, but we our selves literally do similar things everyday to preserve our own species.

[@tl_nik0n353]

Sorry, but yeah there are real world villains. Just because they aren't twirling their mustaches and being obvious about their villainy, doesn't mean they don't exist. See almost the entirety of the US congress for an example of real world villainy. You don't think those people know that taking bribes and rigging the game in favor of their donors is wrong? If you honestly think they don't know what they're doing is bad you're naive as fuck. They know and they do it anyway. Whatever the motivation may be, doesn't matter. At the end of the day wrong doing is wrong doing and if you do wrong consistently and without remorse for the people you're hurting, you're a fucking villain.

[@tl_nik0n353]

Not really. A lot of things are more nuanced sure, but to pretend that there are no objectively bad actions in life, and that people are incapable of doing them, is pretty stupid.

[@vullord666]

They aren’t any “real” villains. The best we can get are the generic definitions for fictional purposes. This stems from the fact that morality in itself is subjective. It becomes difficult to categorize people by right and wrong when one’s definition of right and wrong differs from person to person. Its not like there’s a universal good and bad. Put simply anything thats not a fact or can’t be researched is subjective and it becomes difficult to label people with terms as vague and ambiguous as “good” or villain. The law exists because of differences in morality. That said there are certain terms to describe people like corrupt or distrustful. It doesn’t mean your evil just that you have fickle values or can be influenced by money (who can’t?)

[@tl_nik0n353]

Lol. That's complete bullshit, but sure. Whatever you say.

[@rosestar1324]

Crusty GymSock Well, you're not them nor are you in their shoes. Sure I know robbing a bank is wrong, but I do it anyway to keep a roof over my family's head and make sure I have money for my son's brain surgery he needs. Humans are morally gray, not black and white. Heck, even serial killers are a dark shade of gray. Usually serial kills are made when they either haven't been properly taught how to deal with emotions or they have a twisted sense of justice or other reasons. Humans are not mustache twirling villains.

[@tl_nik0n353]

And I would argue that a corrupt politician, being a human capable of reason, knows that being corrupt is morally wrong, and does it anyway because they enjoy money and power. That's villainy.

[@chadpollock2408]

A good story from a villians prospective is Tyranny. Great game can't recommend it enough, one of the best spell systems I've ever seen.

[@perezsilva1797]

Chad Pollock I thought the same thing! This game had one of the most immersing experiences within a game I've had ever played

[@vatroslavmorbidovic4105]

Tried it and got bored because of mekanix. Shame.

[@sunnyjim1355]

Just don't try and rush it? Savour it, as you would a fine wine rolled over your tongue. It's not a competitive game, just take it at you own pace. Otherwise, there are plenty of other games for you. I think Witcher 3 is trash, so maybe I missing out? Or maybe I just have other games to play I enjoy more... like KSP ^.^

[@CaptainFirespitter]

I’ve been wanting to play that game for a while now. 😊

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Of fuck yes, i love this game! One of the best actually ROLE-PLAYING-GAMES, and not just "action-rpgs" with "role-playing-elements" in the past few years the premise, the plot, the dialogues are just brilliant!

[@raphaelalexander3692]

It would be cool to have a telltale series about a bad guy. He wants to destroy the world, but for a reason.

[@agonleed3841]

Lord Pizza The Great that's still....

[@JustJack23]

I see mentions of overlord (shout out to you guys) but there is a whole load of games where you play as the villain. Just look them up. For instance, I love the dungeon series just because of the comedic villainy and you actually get to an end goal as the villain.

[@ToiletSeatGaming]

just keep thinking of splatoon were you are always "the good guys" and the opponents are always "the bad guys"

[@British_Rogue]

Matteus Berg Well yes, but one side steals from the other, whilst the stolen from side simply tries to reclaim what is theirs. I.e. Zapfish is stolen by the Octolings; Inklings reclaim it back.

[@LordViper25]

So what about Evil Genius, Overlord, Dungeon Keeper, Black & White, Spore, certain Star Wars games, City of Villains, Tyranny, Lucius, Ghost Master and Afterlife..? I'm sure I could find some more.. I'm just saying it should be possible .. it just has to be done right.. also not saying these games are the perfect villain sims.. but at least worthy mentions. ;)

[@strangerakari2836]

Don't know about all of them, but Overlord, Spore and Tyranny as well as certain SW gives you a choice. In Overlord, Spore and SW it doesn't really change THAT much if you are good or evil, and Tyranny just have shit ton of story.

[@kujo4388]

But it’s still way more games that force a hero .

[@n0mad602]

DvS Dragon Exactly! I'm starting to think that this guys don't do a really good research

[@thecplman1]

Thanks for referencing CoV.

[@LordViper25]

Stranger Akari I agree and as I said I’m not saying these games are purely evil or perfectly made but at least it’s something that makes it possible and makes it work. ;)

[@gam3rtim352]

What about the Overlord games. The second one only has the choice to either dominate all the “innocent” citizens or destroy everything and everyone. (P.S. Never thought about it before but Sly really is an Anti-Hero isn’t he.)

[@spnsman1]

I was curious why Overlord was never brought up. You are meant to either A) wreck shop, or B) wreck shop, with some “good” things done. Either way, you are killing everything, and making your regime a reality

[@adoptdontshop3911]

Tyler Richard THERE IS A GAME?!?

[@gam3rtim352]

Aaliyah Smith before you get your hopes up. They are not related to the anime.

[@Teraphas]

Overlord is still just anti hero. Especially even you hit the twist. You act without empathy and motivated by greed. But your not really evil for evil sake. That seems to be the point of this video is that we get plenty of dark and deplorable motives at times but rarely do we get a game were you just seek to be evil just to be evil like say Postal or Carmageddon.

[@gam3rtim352]

Teraphas you are doing everything to become the epitome of evil. You destroy the “Glorious Empire” because they were in the way of your world domination. The first one however did take an anti-hero turn if you did all the pure stuff, but where’s the fun in that? I do see where you are coming from though.

[@JustAnOldStone]

Hatred was...a good example of players getting to play as a villain, but a bad example of a video game in its entirety.

[@hanspeter731]

Finally someone mentioning Hatred.

[@Nrdyco]

HATRED! THE EDGIEST OF ALL THE EDGELORD GAMES

[@dhgmrz17]

Exactly! all he needed was a hug.

[@BloodRedFox2008]

If you're gonna bring up Hatred then I feel the need to mention the original Postal from 1997. Hell this similarity between the two wasn't lost on Postal's developed either, when they released an official remake in the form of Postal Redux they advertised the game by saying "can't run Hatred on your computer? Play the original!" Unlike the sequel, Postal 1 doesn't play the violence for laughs, it's a straight up "you are a man who has snapped and just wants to kill everyone" story.

[@deptusmechanikus7362]

Tyranny was a good example of playing as a villsin and good game too. Very varied and detailed.

[@Goonbee138]

If you would like to play the villain go play Overlord 1 and 2. Amazing games where you are the bad guy from hell that wants to take over the world. Pretty old games but still amazing

[@RodimusPrime29]

KOTOR you deff could be evil if I remember correctly

[@agonleed3841]

RodimusPrime29 nope. Just a darker good

[@JargonMadjin]

On my first playthrough my character was balanced between Dark and Light, on my second (Current) playthrough it's about the time I realized that Dark Side has way better Force Powers anyway (Force Lighting, Life Drain, Force Choke as some examples) besides, Red Lightsabers are awesome

[@kevinmcdowell2605]

Agon Leed pretty sure murdering your companions, destroying the republic fleet and becoming the dark lord of a sith empire qualifies as evil lol

[@AddictedApple]

+Agon Leed Wdym?? You could kill all the jedi and become a sith lord at the end of KOTOR

[@shanegallant9018]

Maybe Agon Leed means it's good to be evil?

[@thetrumpster1076]

I want to play a game as a literally mentally insane villain

[@reddyepie7439]

Interesting...

[@igorstojiljkovic5453]

Postal?

[@Werewolf914]

People already brought it up but Hatred let's you, though it's kind of boring, and there's Postal where you can pee on them after you kill them. Also Twisted Metal sort of does, I mean Sweet Tooth the serial killer Clown just wants to kill a victim that got away from him.

[@TheBoeboe]

Fallout?

[@darth_sidious_sheev_palpatine]

manhunt?

[@zero1188]

there should be a game where you can play as the protagonist. then when you beat it you can play the game from the antagonist pov.

[@marinesciencedude]

Warfare 1917/1944. Hang on, that's not good enough.

[@amnrob101]

We got a taste of this in the COD MW3 airport gameplay. The controversy that followed may be an indicator that society isn't ready for an evil villain centric game.

[@sneezyfaun8728]

Rob Swish that was mw2

[@miguelare3]

Sneezy Faun8 I was thinking the same thing lol

[@MrGrimjaw]

we are

[@apurpledragon]

Actually you're supposed to turn on the terrorists. Don't believe me? You don't get any points for killing the pedestrians. I may not like COD, but my friend told me that and completed the mission.

[@j.hateshisjob5137]

xboxpenguin870 Well, that level in MW2 was banned in the in several countries for good reason. I would say people are being snowflakes, I would say cautious. For example, Russia banned it because soon after the release someone tried to shoot up an airport and killed a few people and later talked about the game. There are deranged people out there that will do crazy things.

[@jacosevenster4419]

What about the Overlord series which was fun?

[@ryanburch6308]

Because everyone thinks they are good, from their point of view. Every playable character in every GTA are not heroes. Moreover, Trevor is a terrible, drug dealing, evil Villian

[@DarckArchon]

While he is far from being "a redeemable person", he is not 100 % evil whatsoever, think of him more like the epitome of chaos, you piss him off he will strangle you with your own intestines, you genuinely act helpfull but have a spine at the same time and he will be the best friend you can ever have.

[@petelee2477]

Not necessarily, understanding their motives doesn't make them any less of a villain. For example I understand why EA pulled the loot box controversy however I still see them as villains

[@cadebayerl8117]

pete lee yeah I agree, they know they are exploiting their fan base but they do it anyway

[@ahm6006]

+oskarschindlerHD Would it help to know that he was wounded and nearly died while fighting for Germany but only for her to surrender? Would it also help that the economy in Germany crashed and money became worthless after the treaty of Versailles. I still believe that there is a difference between reason and motive.

[@dumbtastical]

AHM I understand all of that too, but he was still a bad person who harnessed Germany's anger to transform the country into a mechanism of pure destruction.

[@ahm6006]

+Dumbtastical But you have to think why? He did have support.

[@dumbtastical]

AHM I know why. Its because Germany was left in a destitute state having been stuck with the blame of WW1, and forced to pay impossibly high reparations. The country was also shamed and treated like villains for starting a war that everyone had equal part in. I've seen many WW2 documentaries, I understand Hitler's motivations and harsh past. That still doesn't excuse the destruction he caused or the genocide. Everyone has motivations, and in their own eyes it justifies their actions. This doesn't make their actions valid, if it did you wouldn't be able to call any action wrong because it's always justified from the perpetrators perspective (from those who cheat on their spouses to school shooters)

[@mathieu1834]

"SPOILERS" So i have a question, could you consider that Joel in the last of us is actually a villain, because of the voice he makes at the end to save Ellie and thus doom the rest of humanity but we still consider him a some what of a good guy but Mr freeze is considered a villain but he does everything to save his wife and he hasn't doomed humanity so technecaly Mr freeze is less of a villain than Joel. Right?

[@mathieu1834]

victor rodriguez yes but just because u understand the bad guys philosophie doesn't mean its right or that it gives him a passe to let him do whatever he wants

[@thebatmeth2361]

victor rodriguez no there weren’t any other people like Ellie, she was the first one. Also, I would make the same decision as Joel but it’s still the wrong decision. The game just does an excellent job at creating these characters we care for and thus we see Ellie how Joel sees her 🤧

[@NSFSponsor]

The BatMeth No, Marlene definitely implies there were others like Ellie. Joel asks her if they have done this before and what if it doesn't work and she doesn't respond, she looks away. Even if that wasn't the case, Ellie was definitely the best bet for humanity at the time. She herself wanted to make that sacrifice for the greater good. Joel denied her what she wanted to do becuase he wanted a daughter. It was 100% selfish. Albeit understandable, which is why I like the game amd Joel as a character.

[@joshhall7581]

Couldn’t they have just draw blood and swapped it for like some 0- blood or some shit

[@joshhall7581]

Damion Dixon last of us 2 is gonna be amazing

[@jdeckgaming3565]

I'd like to see a story of bowser and how he became so powerful through his perceptive

[@WadeAllen001]

The times where you get to play as Bowser in paper mario 2 and 3 were some of my favorite moments in gaming.

[@matthewanthony8849]

What about Overlord? There’s little good you can do.

[@angrythumbman6290]

In borderlands 2 handsome Jack is more of an anti hero.

[@A.Froster]

GeneralMcBoss what ? he is a straight up sociopath. I can see his motivation but he still is just a crazy person obsessed with power and greed

[@43njdevils]

The one game that comes to mind allowing you to be the "villain" is KOTOR. That ending was insane!!! I still remember how it made me feel to this day.

[@lightsidemaster]

Disney should pull the license from EA ASAP, and just work on giving us the original SW games in HD!

[@Kakkarot211]

A true villain could be awesome to play as...be Palpatine or The Illusive man

[@mineshaft12]

Adam Payday Mate ?

[@Texelion]

The illusive man stays on his chair all day long giving orders, smoking cigars and probably trying to find ways to get enough money to fund all the shit he needs. So that would be pretty much a management game like Evil Genius. ^^

[@wilfredkeeley3059]

The Bioshock games are kind of like this. What you do to the Little Sisters impacts which ending you get.

[@falcan292]

The Overlord games the good choice is the lesser of to still really evil choices. Let them live, but they must work for you forever, or just kill them all. The whole plot is ether revenge on old friends or killing someone eviler then you so you can be the super evil.

[@clericofchaos1]

You don't necessarily have to *destroy* everything, i prefer to conquer everything. for instance in the first prototype game you save the city as alex mercer, in the second game he's trying to take over everything and spread his virus. why not let me do that? i'm already familiar with the character from the first game, and it would become a bit like shadow of war. making your evolved, planting them in the highest echelons of blackwatch and gentech (i think those were the bad guys, not sure), assassinating high value targets and absorbing all their memories. it all adds an element of strategy to the action.

[@kitkami]

Tales of berseria you are pretty bad. Ands I don't feel like understanding the motivation behind someone who is evil makes them not evil. A character that's willing to kill a town full of innocent people to get at the man who killed a family member of theirs is still evil. I dont feel you have to want to blow up the world to be evil, you can just be fine with it burning around you for all you care to get what you want.

[@strangerakari2836]

Velvet were just simple girl with broken heart and trust issues, an anti-hero, but not really "bad" bad and very far from evil. How history of the world portrayed her later is another story, but we all know "history" is biased by default.

[@alexanerose4820]

LOL sounds like the entire God of War series inn a nuthsell

[@VelvetyCleric3]

I would absolutely love a game where the protagonist was evil. One of my favorite game franchises is overlord. I have also just read an amazing book series called the prince of thorns and the main character is an absolute evil guy who just wants power and revenge. He wants nothing but to either see the world burn or be under his control. However two books later he has a child and although he doesnt become a good person he *spoiler alert* sacrifices himself. not for a threat to the world that he doesnt care about, but for his newborn son.

[@botesz20]

Charles Holley Never would have thought that I'd see my boy Jorg mentioned below a gameranx video

[@abcdxx1059]

Jorg killed by her ex but he turns the wheel and defeats his brother that makes him a hero

[@joseneto5833]

Sooo.. He is littlefinger?

[@abcdxx1059]

José Neto a lot worse than him cersi would seem like a little kitten

[@jefflnx465]

at last, someone else who reads The Broken Empire series. it'd make a great game or tv series.

[@terencecarter6758]

In overlord you played as the Villain, and I had so much fun attacking the peasants and having my minions attack the fluffies. Games should allow you to play as the villain more.

[@miafountain1578]

I've read quite a few books that are written from the villain's perspective and they've been great. I feel like with the right writers and team behind it we could get a game where we play as the bad guy and understand the bad guy, but still recognize that we're in the wrong.

[@justsomeguy2743]

I’ve always wanted a game from the people who made the Arkham series about the joker or two face or harley Quinn or mr freeze etc (I also know about the play as the joker dlc in Arkam asylum) I think they are all more interesting than batman a story about how the joker turned Harley Quinn into harley Quinn would be awesome

[@mithrandirsilvertongue1406]

Josh Jones Harley Quinn*

[@justsomeguy2743]

Craig Adams Also like your joke i never misspelt anything just used the word harlequin when it’s clearly Harley Quinn

[@justsomeguy2743]

Alex Odinson Thanks

[@justsomeguy2743]

Waselt Ed What? A game based off Harley Quinn would be awesome learning more about her backstory and how the joker manipulated her (it would probably Be a better movie now I’m writing the comment) but still I personally love the idea of it it could even be co-op one person plays Harley Quinn and the other plays joker

[@sunnyjim1355]

Fucking normie.

[@vicious4743]

I remember Overlord 2. *NOW THAT'S EVIL*

[@dawarboss3709]

Medical Militia one of my favorite games, sad fellowship messed it up

[@sunnyjim1355]

The only people who use the word 'evil' unironically are religious fundamentalist... because outside of that mindset the word is meaningless.

[@Aklipse47]

gameranx for life

[@DanFarrell98]

Dunno where this quote comes from but, “everyone is the hero of their own story”

[@shanegallant9018]

Falcon!!! Fantastic video! I'm reminded of Skyrim. First time playing it, I stayed out of the war as much as possible. Second time playing it through though, I chose my character to be vengeful against the empire for there policies of 'head extraction' that almost happens right at the beginning in the intro video. I felt bad, but justified. Everything imperial had to die! It was evil! But my character never stopped to see his means and motives were evil. But yeah, he himself was not necessarily evil...

[@CastroJr92]

But...Lootboxes are evil

[@abcdxx1059]

Christopher Cline no u r

[@reddyepie7439]

??

[@diamonddinttd6303]

One game Man hunt Pure evil and fun

[@matiasalmada6395]

Aseyah Chaudry Fun yes, but not evil imo. Think about it: in order to stay alive and not being 'hunted' he must kill those criminals who also killed his entire family

[@RichardBardellNZ]

I don't think James Earl Cash was given much of a choice.. kill the other psychopaths or that will kill you. He even helps people.

[@reynielurquiola7115]

Aseyah Chaudry Hatred is also a pure evil and a fucking edgy game.

[@Lexor888]

The character that i loved playing the most of all games i ever played was Trevor Philips. Maybe not a villain per se, but definately 100% crazy. From my point of view this could have been the only character, especially since Michael wasn't too interesting to play and Franklyn was just boring AF.

[@PrimiusLovin]

I liked that they allowed you to play as the Decepticons in Transformers, or as Dracula in Lords of Shadow. Most of the times the "bad guys" seem more real because they have more character development, inner struggles and unknown motives whereas the "good guys" seem too predictable: they generally lack character development to the point of being unreal and uninteresting.

[@dilirity]

Great video! Props for adding the resident evil song in the background >:D

[@Zoomeep]

Maybe a "reverse Horror-Game" could work, a bit like Dead by Daylight. You play as a Monster stalking the NPCs, killing them off one by one, defeating their countermeasures and so on and so forth. The catch would be, that you woukdn't get a clear motivation, just the game telling you what to do in tooltips and tutorials. There could even be a possibility to discover the truth behind these messages and then to either join or fight what ever you find. Though it ould be a problem to do something similar to Dishonored, where you can either only use 10% the game has to offer or go down the evil path. While being an interesting message about good and evil, it hinders the enjoyment of the game if its narrative turns into a "quit having fun, you're doing it wrong"-situation. Basically you would have to figure out how to make the Player choose evil for evils sake, without it being more fun gameplay or the only way the game can progress, as this would essentially trick the player into evilness, making the character they play more relatable and less evil.

[@MrTheTomahawk]

MetalBit Zoomeep project wight *fingers crossed*

[@dsjgfxxkhrx4050]

Friday the 13th maybe

[@mgk-metalgearkelly5054]

Joel is the best Anti-Hero in all of gaming. (From The Last of Us, of course.) You can't really sympathize with anyone more "evil". I mean Joel does pretty much everything for his selfish motives.

[@fawaz2771]

Nothing joel does let you call him "evil" or "selfish" because he just try to survive But...... The ending is selfish

[@johnbishop2536]

Yeah but do ya blame him lol

[@cjamesfort]

Prototype is more villainous. Actually games that are focused primarily on personal vendettas are very villainous in general

[@mgk-metalgearkelly5054]

Fawwaz Algohany Everything Joel does is evil and selfish. Don't forget he was one of the hunters at a time. Remember how he kills his neighbor at the start. And he refused to give the family a lift in his car with "someone else will come along" I don't blame him, I would have done the same. But it still doesn't make his acts noble.

[@mgk-metalgearkelly5054]

cjamesfort It's not about how Villainous your protagonist is. It's the execution that counts. You connect more with Joel than Mercer because he is a better character overall.

[@goodinsrt8]

Isn't the point of grand theft auto to play villains? Trevor and Michael start out the game breaking the law. Also, the Arbiter was initially a villain.

[@joelfigueredo1168]

I love it when games let you see the perspective of both sides

[@eventhor7524]

Spec ops: The Line you believe your the hero. but the game's point is, "Do you feel like a hero yet?"

[@saucyg6371]

The only reasons I can think why are, 1) if any shootings or crimes are committed they're gonna blame the game for "teaching" people to be evil, 2) an interesting character/developement, 3) an interesting story.

[@sunnyjim1355]

"if any shootings or crimes are committed they're gonna blame the game for "teaching" people to be evil," That has been debunked many, many, many times. The only people who even suggest it, let alone insist on it, are ignorant idiots. Like you.

[@Fulllife3.2]

He's not saying they teach people to be evil.He's saying that's what people like FOX would say.

[@ComicNerd1103]

Vampire Masquerade The Bloodline in that game you can be downright homicidal.

[@sir3543]

Luluko So? It's still a fantastic game.

[@vatroslavmorbidovic4105]

Well, I guess, but that is just stupid in this case. Great game tho.

[@MalistadMusic]

Love some Assassins Creed Rogue

[@MariNate1016]

That’s an antihero

[@MalistadMusic]

At what point does an anti-hero transition to an outright villain then? What about Haythem Kenway? You play as him for quite some time in AC3 and he is an outright Templar. Unless you don't see the Templars as actually evil in which case this video seems kind of pointless and then is just about, "blowing up the world?". A transition always has to be made at some point for there to even be a story. And the world needs to have a premise for the degrees of evil it offers. You could argue a hero would blow up the world if its citizens were deemed evil. It's not so much what a character does as why he is doing it and at what cost. To lots of people there are plenty of playable characters whose others beliefs would define as a villain regardless of primary goals or other contributions.

[@Insanicide13]

What about Hatred?

[@riderNo5]

Good example, shitty game.

[@Spartan8471]

you mean great game, shitty character and story

[@RalphNC09]

Honestly, I love this channel.

[@Greenwood4727]

dungeon keeper, you are evil you sacrifice an summon monster to defeat the good guys even trapping them and torturing them..

[@trisertricordoh2127]

And yet EA hasn't released a good Dungeon Keeper game after Peter left Bullfrog. It is a great game and all but I want the DK3.

[@imblind1736]

Play Minecraft....with tnt

[@arwinqaderi533]

Ehh... Hello, KotoR 1 and 2, did implement it tremendously for their time?!

[@Zeldon567]

In a war, there is almost never a true "bad guy". There's the side you're fighting on and the side you're fighting. Each sees their side as the "good guy".

[@Hidiho2u]

What was the name of the song used for ambience? Can hear around 4:30.

[@kylemacfarlane7012]

Imagine this, a game fully about the origins of death stroke or red hood

[@Trizziewix]

Kylee e THAT HAS TO HAPPEN!!!

[@nightsgems]

That resident evil background music

[@dorya_mishima3048]

Wanna play as sephiroth 😈👿

[@MagpieInGravesfield]

I think you kinda went around the question tho. For example, in the Batman universe, the Joker is established as the villain. You could follow a storyline where you play as him, which would make him a protagonist, but not a hero. There are villains like Mr Freeze who could have an end goal such as saving his wife, and if would make a great storyline to play. I think the question people mostly want answered is “why aren’t developers making more games where you play as the villain”, but not as a side quest, as like, the main storyline. The Batman universe especially has so many fascinating villains and they would all be so much fun to play as.

[@df1phantom]

much more challenge in a game where you understand both sides.straight up villain status games have come out, usually people who play those are a little off the rocker. you've seen them and you know the ones i'm talking about lol

[@Aftermath007x]

What about Overlord series ?

[@Ombrifère]

I don’t think i want to play a PURE EVIL bad guy who is unrealistic but I do like to play the anti-hero which is more interesting in my opinion like we all know what the hero wants but the anti-hero always do this in a more realistic way like everything is not black and white and I like stories that makes you think about that.

[@casper6405]

G Vibe like deadpool

[@jjdilla9848]

Deadpool is a gag character.

[@Suffi_]

Gag character? He has some very serious storys you know

[@andreatilli6227]

G Vibe Which games are like this ?

[@FazeParticles]

best anti hero is Punisher.

[@NimhLabs]

So... after the first three minutes of rambling, I was all, "Okay... but what about all those Murder Hobo Simulators?"... then I managed to get to the 4:20 mark... and I was all, "Okay... but what about all those Murder Hobo Simulators?" Maybe the biggest issue is that gamers never actually reflect upon the actions of their PCs in games, what the general out comes one would think of them as being, what those actions would suggest about the nature of that person, etc. When I play an RPG of sorts and have my character enter into a random villagers house and steal everything from their home, just all, "hello, I'm the chosen one, turn your eye away while I make legendary use of this stuff. Legendary use being mostly having it lining my knapsack or me selling it at the store"... when I walk into the throne room in an RPG--both jRPG and cRPG and eat like fifty cheese wheels in front of the King... my head has me generally thinking the King must view me as a total fucking asshole. Hell, I'm not even going to act like my characters in the Monster Hunter games are anything other than Murder Hobos. Hell... Capcom has even had issues not acknowledging the whole Murder Hobo elements when they write the story... but then Capcom also has gotten to the point where their Ace Attorney games are leaning on the fourth wall a fair amount as well. Again... the big issue with your rant--and why I had issues getting past the four minute mark is mostly: most gamers do not question their actions and movements in a video game. Look at the big divide that happened with Fire Emblem Fates. You get a decent amount of the fandom that thinks the Hoshijin are not the biggest fucking assholes to ever asshole their way around stuff... and that same amount of the fandom that takes EVERYTHING Nohr says at face value (Even though nothing anybody from Nohr ever is backed up in any concrete manner). If you notice that one of the biggest elements of Fire Emblem Fates is about the difference between what somebody says and what somebody does (which confuses a lot of gamers)... you will notice that King Garon is trying to fight a war where his army will constantly adopt enemy combatants and take them home like pet kittens "Hewo--uh... this Hoshijin uh... followed me home... can I keep 'em, Daddy Garon?"... with assassinations in Nohr mostly being SAYING loudly somebody is dead, and then giving them (another) fake mustache and claiming their name is now "Pedro" (if there name is already Pedro, it will now be Pedro with a slightly different enunciation with emphasis on different syllables). Meanwhile you have Hoshido telling people they are the good guys and doing the right thing--and having them scream louder how their actions are good and correct the more they need to cover up how they really are not. Essentially... the current audience of gamers lacks the critical thinking, in going over their current actions and behaviours and being all, "hey uh... is this actually not a bad thing to do?"... to the point where any game which has that as part of how it handles its narrative does not do well, as none of the gamers will even pick up on those elements. That is because... you are an asshole villain in very game that you play. Hell, even by doing the "behaviour or righteous good"--you usually are doing a set of actions that are ridiculously problematic and prone to cause issues and problems. This is without the general Murder Hobo elements that most video games have issues avoiding being present.

[@Ehibika]

indeed, people tend to operate on the mindset of "if the game doesn't tell me it's wrong, then it is not wrong" it really does bring to question what people mean when they want to play the villain, do they just want recognition as a bad guy? or is it really just the acts? because many games already allow you to act in ways that by all means should be villainous and morally questionable, it's just that few of them call you out on it.

[@gogroxandurrac]

That is a recognition of the gray nature of morality. Playing a villain would be a representation of a black and white picture of morality where your character is on the side of black. More about who you're fighting that who you are, as action games in general have you slaughtering populations of everything which is generally considered a bad thing. Without a real "white" side, the gray takes over. It isn't realistic, but neither are villains.

[@TehF0cus]

Bioshock Infinite took this topic to a whole diffrent level. You being the hero and villain at the same time in a timeloop. Pretty amazing stuff.

[@artypyrec4186]

'The line' did the villian thing nice

[@maximillionroivas3893]

I don't care what the backstory of the villain is. I don't want to "Destroy" the world. I just want to kill all the good guys and rule the world.....Muahahahaha!!!!!!

[@JustJack23]

Maximillion Roivas play overlord

[@xaldrortenderofthevats8948]

so essentially the motivations of the villains in My Hero Academia

[@carlosmedina7932]

Where's my new Jedi Night 4k videogame?! I want to be a Sith!

[@thrallfan1056]

Arthas anyone?

[@reign8754]

I'm pretty sure you're actually thinking of Illidan, but Arthas works too

[@thrallfan1056]

I'm referring to Warcraft 3 where you could actually play as Arthas and murder everyone with no anti-hero strings attached.

[@reign8754]

But you see, Arthas did murder everyone, but he was only doing what he thought was correct. Was brought him upon being the lich king was to stop the dreadlord (which I do not know his name) and protect his home from the plague. So he did what he thought was right, and purged strathholme, and then goes onto take up frostmourne to defeat the the dreadlord, but of course this turns him into the lich king. So if you are referring to him as completely bad, you'd be wrong, and might want to replay Wc3. Long story short, he wanted to help, but in return became a villain trying to help.

[@thrallfan1056]

Yes you are correct however when you get to the undead campaign Arthas becomes a straight up villain. He's no longer doing what he thinks is right or trying to save his homeland. He's just plain murdering everyone under the orders of the Lich King while enjoying it too. Arthas is a tragic villain but a villain nonetheless that you get to play as.

[@pruzarias]

Arthas is corrupted villian which is still a villian, he didnt do it for the greater good or to protect loved one, not anymore

[@morigeshh]

Thank you for making this video. I keep asking myself the same question everyday!

[@chris-datguy]

Thank you for including sly cooper

[@qwer58j]

1:26 "Now you as a person outside of the video games. All of them don't think about videogames for a minute or two." That made my head spin. Could someone explain this statement?

[@jakem.4971]

Elephants Are Cool *All of you Makes much more sense in that context

[@AmateurStorytime]

Kratos was not an anti hero. He was a flat-out villain.

[@fartsniffer2722]

BladeBreaker93 yep totally. He's the Walter White of video games. He started out with a cause for revenge but got addicted to the carnage he was causing and ended up being the biggest villain in the series.

[@altermann1991]

Yeah he started out as an anti-hero,but later on it essentially becomes a case of "villain vs villain",where Kratos is actually the bigger of the 2 evils. However I feel like this was part of the point of the video. A lot of people don't realize that Kratos essentially becomes the villain later on,because we see the games from his perspective and his enemies are for the most part still villains on their own,so Kratos feels more like an anti-hero to most,even if he isn't.

[@mr.grabherankles2208]

IF YOU THINK KRATOS WAS A VILLAIN YOU NEED TO RE PLAY THE WHOLE SERIES!!!!!

[@altermann1991]

I did play almost all of the games(except for the upcoming game and the PSP one) and I agree that he is at least in the 2nd and 3rd game,the villain. Sure a somewhat tragic villain,but still a villain. In the second game he ravages the world with his wars,gets warned that the other gods will eventually turn on him if he continues that,then gets angry about it,when they eventually turn on him. Then he frees the titans and eventually turns on them too,because he felt betrayed by Gaia,when she didn't rescue him(which was obviously not possible for her at the moment,she was barely able to save herself) Eventually Kratos gets his revenge,kills almost all of the gods and doomed humanity in the process. Sure he realizes this at the end,which is why he releases the "hope" into the world again,but up until then you were pretty much playing the villain,dooming humanity for the sake of your own petty revenge(which pretty much started when the other gods took their revenge upon you)

[@s1n23]

I think the Chosen Undead, Bearer of the Curse and The Ashen One of the Dark Souls series are kind of a villain in a way. Like how they kill every being that they see as obstacles in their quest for curing the Undead Curse or preserving the Age of Fire

[@NSFSponsor]

Jules Dexter Sarmiento No, those beings block their way and attack you. Forcing them to kill them to proceed. This isn't Fallout or Undertale or whatever.

[@nanach6276]

Have you watched Overlord Anime? Really good antagonist who's the protagonist. However, the world building!

[@joshcampbellmusic]

Oh my god I love everything about this video! I always wanted to play more villian roles and I always want less black and white villains in my heroic roles. You guys should have your hand in pitching a game

[@pl3413]

I love evil. Especially overlord

[@PurpleIsALetter]

Uh, Overlord? What happened to that series? That is a series based on being the villain. Also Dungeon Keeper. Also what about asymmetrical multiplayer where one team plays as, say, the zombies? *cough left4dead cough* Next time do more research Gameranx, you disappoint me.

[@Xurre90]

wasnt it some kind of virus in l4d? it's just trying to spread, like all living beings do.

[@Zeus-wv1tt]

Never clicked on a video this fast before

[@lathrios]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I don't know about heroes and villains, but in the games Crawl and Evolve you play as monster. And Kaiju-a-gogo where you are a mad scientist that controls a giant monster.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Play Overlord, though you still are the lesser of two evils (most of the time)

[@simonk7372]

Nicolai Veliki no you're the pure evil, no one is more evil than the overlord

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Darth Crudelis Oh come on the Overlord saves a lot of people from themselves. Sure, by killing them, or enslaving them, but he's doing something good for... himself.

[@simonk7372]

Nicolai Veliki with that logic every villain would be good.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Darth Crudelis First of all, I never said 'good'. But he is less evil than the Mage from the group of heros he used to belong to. Also, Shelly, Sarcasm.

[@nicolaiveliki1409]

Darth Crudelis First of all, I never said 'good'. But he is less evil than the Mage from the group of heros he used to belong to. Also, Shelly, Sarcasm.