Why don't we see Hyper Sonic anymore?

[@wolf31191]

TBH it would be great to have this form back. All it takes is good writing.

[@subsribetosilentsnowmando]

I think it would remove the speciality of super sonic but ok then.

[@bottomtext593]

Thats why Frontiers was a huge missed opportunity for Hyper Sonic. They could have easily linked the whole "another dimension" excuse to Cyberspace and brought back the Super Emeralds that way

[@mvnkycheez]

actually i think the main reason is probably more to do with the fact that super sonic is _already_ kinda ripping off DBZ enough, but having _another_ power up like hyper sonic risks sonic writing falling into that trap of endless power creep like DBZ and other shounen stuff

[@Drsachocho]

​@@mvnkycheez hyper came in 1994 and Ultra instinct came in 2015

[@Drsachocho]

​@@mvnkycheez so That's a bit uhh

[@GwydionV]

"This is my normal form. This is Super Sonic. And this... is to go even further beyond!"

[@kiryugaming904]

*Screams for 5 minutes*

[@artisthi151]

​@@kiryugaming904 tails ear drums rip 😢

[@Jay30Boogie]

You beautiful bastard 😂🤣

[@Pistola]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@rueme4228]

@@Pistola that’s not nearly long enough…

[@VongolaXZax]

Sonic fans: Excuses, excuses

[@JoshAndDollyz]

Trueeee

[@Simontheseagull]

Yes

[@sigma8917]

yeah...the super emeralds literally cannnot be "locked in another dimention"...they are just boosted chaos emeralds...it would mean that the chaos emeralds are inaccessibile as well which makes no sense

[@psikinesis9193]

So true!

[@StrongArmElijah]

Niggas got TOO many excuses

[@HOMBRERAYA]

The pain of not seeing hypersonic anymore totally eclipses the pain in the ass it was to unlock it

[@milkymalik2628]

Some people make a good point, though, in that Sonic showing up in this form would devalue his Super form. Same way it did for Goku and his previous transformations. It really explains why they would choose to give Sonic so many gimmick forms instead of having him grow through a linear power scale

[@Revan384]

If they don't want to bring Hyper Sonic back because of the flashing lights, they could depict him in the same way that a lot of fan art does, glowing silver with a rainbow aura.

[@bigmacsama]

Exactly! Same can be said about creating Hyper Tails and Hyper Knuckles.

[@davidtamasherman1728]

@@bigmacsama They're already exist in the Origins version.

[@mikerude5073]

Or just slow down the color rotation. He could pulse a white light between colors and as as the pulse fades the next color fades in, then pulses back to white, and so on. It doesn't need to flicker.

[@Pakkun247]

Zamasu

[@enderborn6860]

Oh yeah like that white form from Sonic X that inspired Nazo Unleashed

[@Allplussomeminus]

That fact we can't have him again (canonically) makes him even more elusive and legendary.

[@muhammadfaizalfahimi666]

😶😶😶😶😶😶😦🥵😶

[@StevenJones851]

It makes him more cooler as well

[@ReapersLove69]

😐

[@fiaguo1320]

yes especially

[@fiaguo1320]

😢😢😢

[@MetalSonic420]

I'd like to see Hyper Sonic again in the future.

[@thecoolfool1532]

Same

[@Pangerg]

Me too

[@thechipmunk5794]

Same

[@Kaigormi]

Same

[@acidphoenix5287]

But the problem is that he way to bright for our eyes to handle

[@Ferko_795]

I remember to see a KZbin comment of someone saying that Hyper Sonic could have been a perfect addition to Frotiers given the constant apparition of super sonic in the game, and I certainly agree.

[@SocksFCGameArchives]

I swear the Super Emeralds were in Adventure 1 flashbacks. Normally Chaos Emeralds in that game are small, but in the flashbacks the altar contains much larger surrounding Emeralds, similar to size of Super Emeralds

[@tl1882]

they were the size of the sa2 master emerald i think

[@SonZackSSJ2]

@@tl1882 I mean the Master Emerald in SA2 was Small XD

[@sonicadventure3130]

I didn’t think they were thy big.

[@davidtamasherman1728]

I like your idea.

[@bluphantomexe8279]

@@sonicadventure3130 No, if you play a video you can see that they are huge when all seven of them are on the alter.

[@Horace-83]

“The Super Emeralds reside in another dimension.” Oh Blaaaaaze!

[@catmom8242]

why is this comment not popular lol

[@KaiydenDennis]

Hilarious😂

[@RamenBlox]

Bro Izuka/Sonic Team act like they can't just write a story to have Sonic get the Super Emeralds 😭😭

[@Amithink]

They can make a game called sonic dimensions

[@Leekodot15]

Oh Saaaaage!

[@devante9207]

I think Ian Flynn and the crew could write a good story and introduce hyper sonic in the comics. I could also see him coming back in the games if the frontiers formula and the use of super sonic will be the standard moving forward. However once you cross the “ a threat super sonic can’t beat” line, there’s no going back

[@Chaosflower]

Well frontiers is getting dlc and a sequel sooooooooo ITS POSSIBLE

[@projectiony4048]

@@Chaosflower It is but it’s very highly unlikely they’re reintroducing hyper sonic lol. The more and more they keep heading in the direction with super sonic being a norm in regular games for regular bosses they probably will it introduce a new form.

[@c14r4n6]

​@@Chaosflower The point of the titans in Frontiers is that they use the power of 1 chaos emerald, it would be dumb if Sonic couldn't defeat a Titan with 7 of them

[@I.Am.Terrible.At.Usernames]

Issue is it has the Super Saiyan effect, when you introduce a new form that's insanely more powerful, it becomes hard to make the original form useful again in future stories without lowering the stakes

[@Chaosflower]

@@c14r4n6 oh yeah

[@SuperStopMotions50]

Another Reason: Hyper Sonic can cause photosensitive seizures Edit: I learned that Hyper Sonic’s flashing isn’t strong enough to cause seizures

[@alzhanvoid]

Just use the popular white fan version.

[@unoriginalmoniker2625]

They could rework him to change colors more slowly, but this is probably the reason.

[@SuperStopMotions50]

Yeah

[@Alex-ov8dn]

​@alzhanvoid they don't even gotta do that. Just make the colors fade rather than flash or something

[@bashartz]

Yeah that's most likely it

[@YellowtheStickFigure-jc1tb]

Sonic Mania hearing that the super emeralds reside in another dimension be like: WHAT THE FU-

[@Grizz-Barr]

Exactly. In Sonic Mania the Super Emeralds are in the shrine with the Master Emerald but they’re inactive.

[@_veloxity91]

@@Grizz-Barr They're straight up destroyed. Unusable. Also, Mania is still in the past. Not to mention that they were confirmed to just be rocks..

[@Grizz-Barr]

@@_veloxity91 But does that imply that the Super Emeralds as a whole are destroyed, or did the Super Emeralds “shed out of their old skin” like snake, and the rocks are the old skin? And Mania being in the past doesn’t mean that much because it canonically takes place AFTER Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

[@ThePr0_0149]

​@@_veloxity91huh? Since when is sonic mania in the past am i missing something???

[@faz10do]

@@ThePr0_0149they retconned the different dimensions thing for classic

[@yuselam.s3908]

“Would you like to see hyper sonic again?” YES.

[@breazy832]

Truly the SSJ4 of this community

[@zizo3132]

I think it is the mui of this community due to the similarities but yeah I agree with you

[@nubby4244]

literally nothing is the same with these two

[@AhmadKazan-wk7ei]

​@@nubby4244As in a fan favorite form with one or very little appearances that was never shown again.

[@nubby4244]

@@AhmadKazan-wk7ei mui appears in the manga games and even a scene in the movies hyper only appears once

[@Purpleisgreat.]

​@@zizo3132so sonic can dodge things in hyper without thinking about it. I don't think there is a single similarity

[@StriderStryker]

Blaze the Cat: *uses the Super Emeralds* Sonic: _Mind if I borrow these items? Please?_ 🥺

[@ChrisZAnimator]

Aren’t blazes emeralds the sol emeralds tho?

[@Resplendence1]

Nah she uses the sol emeralds

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

Imagine you invent a thing as just a nice bonus and now everyone keeps asking you about it and finally you're just like, "They're in another dimension!"

[@Physicfriendfredbear-x1x]

Well that would work for fronteirs cuz cyberspace and all that jazz

[@thundregameandtalk]

And kinda forces ig?

[@DeborahMorrison-u1b]

@@Physicfriendfredbear-x1x yes I want

[@satukartdoescrap]

Not forces ***k forces

[@Physicfriendfredbear-x1x]

@@thundregameandtalk no just no

[@conmanay4563]

According to Ian Flynn, writer of the Archie Sonic comics who also wrote the script in frontiers. He pitched the idea that sonic was going to turn into hyper sonic in the final battle against “the end” but it was rejected

[@Cruddy129]

Because its allegedly stated that the power scaling is simply too OP even by The Ends standards So thats likely why Super Sonic 2 appeared, to match against the end, but not to the point where its an unfair fight

[@Kerry-yl1sc]

That's so dumb

[@brunourielthehedgehog4464]

Yes, and Takashi Iizuka had also said that Hyper was created because of the gameplay factor, because at the time of the Megadrive, there were cartridges, when you put together the cartridges, Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles, you would have Sonic 3 & Knuckles, however, for those who already played on the Sonic 3 cartridge and had already collected the emeralds in Sonic 3, they wouldn't have anything to collect from & Knuckles, so they created a second transformation, nowadays, in Sonic Origins, you can do the true ending without the super emeralds

[@Kerry-yl1sc]

He also said hyper sonic could return but would need a special circumstance

[@GamerTheVoidGamingCentre]

@@Cruddy129then scale it as a being only Hyper can defeat, make it an even greater threat. Writers can do stuff like that. A “balanced fight” against a thing called THE END is kinda dumb. Especially since we’re going Super 2 for some reason, at that point just let him go Hyper.

[@Hadaron]

My personal excuse I’ve made - the Super Emeralds were a temporary powerup to the Chaos Emerald caused by the Master Emerald. When this powerup faded, they shrank back down, but kept their signature diamond shape that we now see them in. Sonic, too, was permanently changed by the Super Emeralds, keeping a nerfed version of the Crystal Flash as the Homing Attack and having his eyes stained green with Chaos energy.

[@sitcatz9249]

That's an amazing explanation! Makes you think whether the temporary return of the hyper form for Modern Sonic would bring any further changes to his moveset or design.

[@adrianherbert5844]

​@Sitcatz Besides an epilepsy lawsuit for SEGA? Maybe it'll make him taller, deeper-voiced and slightly beefier. Sonic is a twig in every game.

[@SoloSilence]

I remember hearing this exact thing in another KZbin video

[@ChopperPlayed]

Awesome theory! I remember when Chaos was in the comics and he trapped Sonic inside his water body and sonic had to burst out of Chaos and when he came out he had green eyes. I think they said it was from the “chaos energy” inside Chaos’ water that got into Sonic’s eyes. Well that was at least Archie’s way of writing green eyes onto Sonic. I think I like your idea more!

[@Zahncel]

Please bring hypersonic back😢😭🥺

[@baky5372]

Dude the memories just came flashing in. I remember getting hyper sonic the first time. What a great part of my childhood

[@sonicblazer820]

To me I always believed it was to prevent seizures from people because of the fact he was rapidly changing colors throughout his duration of the form until his ring count reach zero

[@krabman2889]

Maybe in future games they could change it to be pure white with a slightly rainbowish aura

[@Cheesekindafirengl]

They could use the Archie sonic comics colors for it as everyone (almost) has gone hyper in the Archie comics

[@MasterofVirology]

You could just slow down the flashes . Problem solve. Or instead of making him flash, make him white with a white aura

[@krabman2889]

@@MasterofVirology white aura is cooler!

[@anomaly395]

They can easily change that

[@ryank2780]

If Sonic Team gave the Hyper form good story relevancy and not just for the reasons of "fans want this form back cuz they miss it" then yes, I would want it to come back.

[@Pumpkin8825]

Yes

[@Halvos12]

Honestly, I really don't need a story in fact I kind of miss the days when the Chaos Emeralds weren't in the front of the story. In fact, I thought it a bit, dare I say, cringe when Sonic in Frontiers mentioned, ah yes I might not be able to beat this titan now but just wait until I go Super Sonic. Like cool story bro literally anyone with the emeralds is just as strong, you're not special.

[@RobocopStealerOfFridges]

​​@@Halvos12 You don't understand what was going on in Frontiers, do you? In Frontiers, Sonic's the only good character that's outside of Hyperspace. All of his friends that appear in the game are stuck in-between or in Hyperspace for the majority of the game's runtime, so they're physically unable to interact with the real world, so Sonic's literally their last hope. And, even WHEN they come back to the real world, they go back into Hyperspace to help revive Sonic, causing Sonic to be the world's last hope. I respect your opinion, but I just wanted to clarify what was going on in Frontiers to my understanding.

[@Halvos12]

@@RobocopStealerOfFridges I am sorry but what does this have to do with the Chaos Emeralds? Like I know the story of Frontiers that was never in question my issue had nothing to do with the story it was the fact that Sonic, the Sonic was going. "Oh yeah I might not be able to beat you right now but wait until I get these special rocks!"

[@YoshiKing8211]

They had a great opportunity to do it in frontiers because he was literally going to different dimensions in the game.

[@bd4315]

He was only going to a digital dimension in frontiers.

[@therllynoobguy4548]

@@bd4315 meaning a different dimension…

[@bd4315]

@@therllynoobguy4548 it’s not a different dimension though, it’s still the normal dimension just a computer program within that dimension. I shouldn’t have said dimension before, I know.

[@platform4857]

​@@bd4315the reason they wont bring hyper back is because the creators of sonic dont want to have a goku situation where super sonic gets overshadowed by his other forms making the impact of super sonic less good

[@platform4857]

​@@bd4315and hyper was never canon

[@huntercook4985]

I can already see the story. Sonic has found himself in a different universe because Eggman has taken control of yet another reality warping god. Here, he is able to find the super emeralds. Boom, peak story right there.

[@insanecandycane1283]

It would need to be used VERY sparingly for a very epic final battle (an opportunity already missed in Frontiers). But fans would always be waiting for it and wondering if it's going to appear in every game.

[@yofolkdem1256]

Just make way to unlock permanently for new game+.

[@RL-DarkSpark]

tbh I really like Super Sonic 2, I just hope it's not gone in the next game. He should keep using that. Perfect parry is fucking sick

[@Hello86257]

Imagine a game where you go to that other dimension and retrieve the super emeralds

[@Indi16fr]

You know? That could be a kinda good concept

[@Red_Tsar]

Sonic Rush show it's possible.

[@thekingofsouls3953]

As i know super emeralds are chaos emeralds but stronger, because in sonic3&knuckles you lose your emeralds at hidden palace and after that super emeralds appear

[@ratt__mann9220]

Imagine Blaze is just wondering where the hell these giant emeralds came from.

[@JustHereToLurkYT]

Sonic frontier was a game about you going to another dimension cyberspace

[@MrNeedleM0use]

Its all because of Hyper Sonic causing eyepain to people...

[@AshVA1]

Was that really true? It doesn't even look that flashy

[@kirgolor]

@@AshVA1 Like if you use to much the flash attack it can cause epilepsy (If you have it)

[@Vrabsher_-Supreme_Perhinther-]

Thats a lie , seizures are a hoax to control the general population . And therefore thats a shitty excuse .

[@Quickstein]

Also Hyper Sonic isn't cycling colors in this video near as fast as he originally did.

[@mrmemekick]

No it’s because of Goku

[@Super_Smg17_Oydessy_And_Pals]

yes because he looks great and cool. and that color for his form is just perfect. I would love to see him again for a comeback. after all these years.

[@jawndog1975]

I would love a sonic game where super sonic isn't enough. The enemies are too strong so they collected the super emeralds at the end and turn into hyper sonic. Edit: Wow. Its my first time getting this much likes. TY for the support

[@JasonDevil06]

Super Sonic's fought beings and gods that can wipe out dimensions and time there's not a lot of people that can beat him

[@DevilsNeverCry333]

Frontiers. There is technology stronger than him.

[@Jorpda]

I can’t stop thinking about an old sonic animation where Sonic goes Hyper and every other character has a seizure looking at him

[@dymaz_azure]

Sos latino verdad?

[@zizo3132]

Dam you remember that animation ? Good memories.

[@Farahcarrera]

I was thinking that’s the reason we never got to see hyper sonic again

[@barkinglights249]

WHATS IT CALLED

[@Justin-qj7fk]

@@barkinglights249 I believe it was called “Hyper Sonic’s Problem.” Again, it’s old, so I’m not 100% sure KZbin will give you the right results.

[@VTRcomics]

Having Hyper Sonic appear just once in 3D would be interesting especially since Frontiers was going into the history and origin of the chaos emeralds. I think we should definitely at least see it once more because nothing else from the classic era has really been left behind.

[@prplbowtie]

the fucking statue in sonic cd:

[@constellationmaker145]

@@prplbowtiethe what

[@WhatsthatOrangee]

“The Super Emeralds reside in another dimension” Oh, so I guess Frontiers WAS a missed chance.

[@shroomfruit345]

If they brought him back his colors should probably change slower and more smoothly than they do now, but I’d love to see him at some point

[@mikerude5073]

So just fade from one color to white and then fade into the next color. Perhaps a little white light pulse during the white phase. I think it could look good like that. No need to flicker.

[@cherry_flavored_content]

One thing that gives me hope is that in one tweet from Morio Kishimoto he said that he had interest in exploring new forms for Sonic, answering a question about Hyper Sonic. So while the Hyper form itself might not come back, maybe something similar could show up in a future game

[@gunman8452]

New forms would be cool but Super should still be the strongest, forms like Darkspine and Excalibur are awesome despite not being half as powerful. We should've gotten the cyber form that was built up in Frontiers

[@semu8030]

Or DLC 👀

[@cherry_flavored_content]

@@semu8030 I think the DLC would probably just make Super Tails and Super Knuckles canon again if anything, and introduce Super Amy or a similar concept, assuming that the other characters get to play through the whole game including bosses

[@semu8030]

@@cherry_flavored_content The third DLC will have a new story for the game with Knuckles, Tails and Amy being playable. The idea of bringing super Knuckles, super Tails and super Amy sounds really ambitious and I doubt that will be the case. Through the game's story, the three of them mentioned they want to travel around the world or "be on their own for some time", so I'm guessing the DLC will show us just that. They could make the three characters playable in the islands but I think that would brake the game. If Tails can fly, Amy can jump higher and Knuckles can glide and climb, we as players could skip pretty much any limitations the game originally had, but on the other hand if the developers don't give these characters such abilities, fans will get pissed because they don't play as expected. That third DLC is the one I'm most worried about, because Sonic Team is risking a lot there

[@cherry_flavored_content]

@@semu8030 It is a very ambitious thing yeah, but at the same time I guess it would make sense that they can break the game, Sonic can already do some things to skip sections by boosting off rails or using the 100%-not-a-glitch homing dash, and given that they're DLC that probably would only be unlocked at the end of the game, it's more like a reward. It's like Super Sonic in the classic games, the invincibility and extra attributes makes the game a non-issue, but it's fun. The idea of it being their own adventures would be pretty cool, but I think it's more likely that those would be reserved to their own spin-offs

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

“Would you like to see hyper sonic again? **Sniff** YEEEEEEEHEEEEEEEHEEEEEHEEES! 😭

[@Muicheerio]

If solaris comes back all I’m saying is that’s the perfect time to reintroduce the super emeralds

[@_veloxity91]

Mephiles isn't even Super Sonic level wym

[@Muicheerio]

@@_veloxity91 ? The super emeralds make you transform into hyper what are you on

[@green-adventurers]

@@Muicheerio if super sonic is already way stronger than mephiles then why even transform into hyper to eat him

[@Muicheerio]

mb I meant to say Solaris

[@wander7812]

Definetly the most underrated forms from the Sonic franchise: - Hyper Sonic, (Sonic & Knuckles) He looks unique and is the ultimate form basically. I really enjoyed the appearance of it and how giant Sonic's spikes got. I really love this form and wish we could see more, specially because of how mysterious it truly is. - Darkspine Sonic, (Sonic & The Secret Rings) Because... well it looked nice? I liked the firey powers, and the logic behind it. Sonic absorved the power from the negative rings, meaning if he had all 7 power rings, he would have got some Superspine Sonic? which means "this is not even his final form"! I want to at least see some outside art from the devs that shows us what Superspine would look like. - Turbo Sonic, (from the Sonic Adventure games). The execution in gameplay was weird but cmon the concept was cool! Sonic focusing the energy of his spin dash on himself to get to move like quicksilver is a cool concept. - Excalibur Sonic, (Sonic & The Black Knight). It simply looks UNIQUE, the transformation was like some Super Sentai or Power Ranger sequence, or something from Saint Seiya. The story of this game was also underrated. - Dark Sonic, (Anime Sonic X) Yes its canonically weaker than Super Sonic, but who cares? it was cool. In the japanese dub Dark Sonic wasn't like a "edgy psycho" like in the 4kids dub. In the official version of the anime (JP Dub) he was quiet... and just aggressive. I liked it.

[@tedioabsoluto5780]

dark, spine and excalibur SLAPS

[@blackjehoplays4439]

Ultra Sonic From the comics

[@lukenogami]

i like the fact that dark sonic doesn't necessarily needs the emeralds, it's just sonic being angry and losing his temper

[@tedioabsoluto5780]

@@lukenogami i mean in sonic X there was the fake emeralds, and sonic losing his temper and reaching the limit looks more like fleetway, but yeah pretty much

[@wander7812]

@@lukenogami Listen idk where you took that, but he needs the fake emeralds, and to be surrounded by MANY of them. He then needs to not get just angry, but be filled with multiple dark emotions. He needs despair, fear, anger, and uneasiness.

[@adachiaishi1668]

Would be pretty sick if hyper came back. They could even make a new dlc for frontiers, incorporating an island to find collectibles like in the base game to maybe power up each super emerald like you would in S3&K. Heck, maybe even a new even cooler final boss.

[@loremipsum5116]

It would be better to save it for the sequels. Flesh out the origin of the chaos emerald and tie them into the super emeralds at the same time. I'm still really interested to see where that storyline was going

[@adachiaishi1668]

@@loremipsum5116 truuueeeee

[@alexanderprimo7239]

that is the story canon reason, but the actual reason is because they stated that they "dont want too many forms like a certain anime" and we all know which anime is being referred to even though it wasnt mentioned by name. Though, its ironic because it seems as though Super Sonic 2 was teased for Sonic Frontiers DLC.

[@freakingjames1820]

And they already have a good number of alternative forms in the canon even though they are usually stricted to a single game. Unleashed, Black Knight, Secret Rings, and now Frontiers. If that's their excuse than it seems pretty out of touch with the franchise's continuity.

[@alexanderprimo7239]

@@freakingjames1820 You’re correct, but Sonic 3 & Knuckles came out 30 years ago… Back when the only transformation was Super Sonic lol.

[@georgeshaw4017]

The Dragon Ball Excuse is still dumb since Super Sonic already makes people think of Super Saiyan. So it’s too late for that.

[@anso3886]

The best way for them to bring back hyper sonic is that later down the line they find a way to “purify” chaos emeralds into super emeralds temporarily and thus also being the reason why he can only use hypersonic in final fight

[@azeroth2994]

Okay so Super Emeralds are separate entities to Chaos Emeralds. For the longest of times I thought that Super Emeralds were Chaos Emeralds but super charged by the Master Emerald, which made sense to me bc we could get Super only after getting Chaos Emeralds

[@thekingofsouls3953]

You also leave your emeralds on the altar of the master emerald and then activate them

[@aaamogusthespiderever2566]

Same

[@tyrellemunroe8378]

But didn't sonic upgraded or transformed the chaos emerald into the super emeralds by using the master emerald?

[@azeroth2994]

@@tyrellemunroe8378 that's literally what I said: Chaos Emeralds, Super Charged by the Master Emerald

[@Sonicdudestfu]

I do think there should be a game where sonic gets teleported into another reality where the super emeralds are there in a 3D area.

[@slumprage_777]

Facts

[@X-Rob55YT]

Hyper Sonic was one of my favorite sonic forms, I hope we can see it in later games if they change the lore behind why he can't or at least put him in official content other than games

[@Det.johnkimble]

Pretty sure i heard the real reason was because they didnt want too much resemblance with Dragonball having too many transformations. They even stopped changing his eyes to green and make it red now

[@xTriton_]

They've gotta be saving Hyper for an extreme threat headed Mobius' way sometime in the future, when Super Sonic just isn't enough.

[@darrelleaster5381]

Honestly, here are my thoughts. They could have a game where they bring back Dark Sonic and Hyper Sonic in one fell swoop. Super Sonic could b using the positive side of the emeralds, and not be enough. Dark Sonic could be using the negative side of the Emeralds and not be enough. So Sonic had to learn to use balanced Chaos Energy, and master it to unlock the power of the Super Emeralds. Hyper Sonic would just be powered off of pure Chaos Energy, and Sonic would have to have full Mastery over the Emeralds in order to harness that kind of raw power.

[@adamatif288]

Hyper Sonic was such a cool transformation in Sonic 3 and Knuckles.

[@Totoma7163]

Mods have leave the chat

[@zarabsha]

"The super emeralds are in another dimension" archie sonic: say less

[@jaynight15]

Nazo Unleashed had the Super Chaos Emeralds appear in a pretty good way

[@Thetxkis]

FR

[@averagegohanfan0o0]

I think it would be fun as a end of game form that you can explore with and maybe do bonus levels or something

[@dr.c139]

I think we should see hyper sonic again at one point

[@krabman2889]

Maybe they could write it to where he has to get all the chaos emeralds along with fusing with the master emerald to do it. Cuz we’ve never seen him use the master emerald before

[@mariobrine7012]

Finally somebody that believes the Master Emerald could aid too, it controls the Chaos Emeralds so it could pull out more power just so Sonic can unlock the Hyper form BRIEFLY for a final attack.

[@krabman2889]

@@mariobrine7012 and judging by the stuff he was able to do in frontiers, I think hyper sonic would delve more into the dragon ball territory. And I mean come on, we all pretty much want that

[@StainlessGhs]

I like to believe it's being saved for a really special occasion.

[@barfyiscool]

this is literally the sonic equivalent of "did know mario 2 is a reskin of doki doki panic"

[@NoahNCopeland]

Lol

[@treythornton19]

I would say, yes. I will like to see Hyper Sonic for the future sonic games.

[@krabman2889]

Maybe they could write it to where he has to get all the chaos emeralds along with fusing with the master emerald to do it. Cuz we’ve never seen him use the master emerald before

[@jeskerjames3260]

Such an underrated form, I would love to see it return!

[@Kill_peter]

Hype sonic is NOT underrated😭

[@sonichacker141]

super sonic is underrsted hyper sonic is overrated

[@kakska4059]

​​@@sonichacker141super sonic is literally used in almost every sonic game, how can something that the fans have seen over and over again be underrated? If you think its underrated its because fans already know how strong he is, hyper sonic on the other hand hasn't really gotten any chanse to prove his strenght against powerful enemies unlike super sonic.

[@shadowsilvertailsfan]

I swear that I heard in an interview that they did not bring him back, due to fear of copyright from Dragon Ball. While I would love to see him, I don't think we will any time soon

[@DatWilsonBoy1610]

That’s why I’m confused, because Hyper Sonic came out way before MUI, hyper sonic released in 1994 and MUI released in 2015, so if anyone gets copyrighted it should be dragonball

[@shadowsilvertailsfan]

@@DatWilsonBoy1610 I totally agree. I always have, but one of my friends loves DB and he said it came first. I dunno

[@pootispastry397]

it was less of a copyright issue, more of "We don't want our spiky protagonist too closely resembling another spiky protagonist from a certain anime"

[@bluestreaker9242]

@@pootispastry397 Which is...odd to me. Because even OG Super Sonic predates Dragon Ball. :/

[@JJ-yl2mi]

​@@bluestreaker9242no it doesn't Dragon Ball Z is much older than you think

[@nerdydebaterjj]

It'd be simpler if Sega just figured out a real way the Super Emeralds could be used. Like how they could create an alternative way the Master Emerald could potentially power UP the Chaos Emeralds and unify their energy to make them stronger. Or in Super form, Sonic powers the Chaos Emeralds with his new abilities in order to make them much more powerful then they were before, and then ABSORBS them once again. Simple.

[@Nyxium_Solaris]

I think i read that in one of the comics is that the power of hyper sonic was so great it nearly killed those who used them so they locked them away. Tho theres also something matpat said, but i don't remember which video it was.

[@greenscutiofficial]

Porygon and sonic are like peas in a pod... They sent you straight into the hospital lol😂😂😂

[@wearywanderer1912]

Hyper Sonic is basically Mastered Ultra Instinct foreshadowing.

[@KINGPLO-]

Hyper sonic came out before

[@ezztoxic6439]

@@KINGPLO- hence why he said foreshadowing

[@flynnroberts7787]

I hope it returns...

[@RedX8477]

Hyper Sonic is so powerful, he can kill someone with epilepsy. Someone in real life playing the game. Damn, I feel like Hyper Sonic is scarier than Sonic.exe himself

[@Acelin-l7t]

Hyper Sonic: i was supposed to be you! I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BOTH OF YOU Cyber Sonic: f*** i do?!

[@theblackcatofchronos]

I've heard that when they were planning the new END/Supreme boss fight for the dlc in Frontiers there was talk about bringing back Hyper Sonic for the fight but it was shot down and instead we got Super Sonic 2.

[@jeremiah6945]

It would be interesting to see how they could make Hyper Sonic return

[@krabman2889]

Maybe they could write it to where he has to get all the chaos emeralds along with fusing with the master emerald to do it. Cuz we’ve never seen him use the master emerald before

[@Dark_Mario_Bros.]

Mania's Super sonic in the final battle is literally Hyper Sonic, but without the broken instant destruction flash and able to fly

[@spider-soniczilla2989]

I think due to Hyper originally going to be in the game, that's probably where we were meant to use him. That's just my guess.

[@Jpx0999]

Instant destruction flash is sonic most OP mov3 ever

[@thegamingmasters]

He can find himself in another galaxy but can’t find himself even close to those super emeralds, crazy

[@Anukinihun]

All they have to do is that Hyper Sonic is when Sonic uses both the Positive and Negative power of the emeralds. Super Sonic uses only the Positive that's why they keep their color, Negative uses up the color of the emeralds.

[@Cruddy129]

the thing is, in order to even consider getting them, you need a threat that is so powerful even super sonic cannot take it down

[@Maliccy]

Would be so dope to see hyper sonic again sadly SEGA said he would never come back :(

[@ahmadkazan5473]

I think it's better lore wise that super sonic remains sonic's strongest form as it makes no sense that a tool with infinite power needs another tool to be used at full potential.

[@gunman8452]

Exactly, I don't count S3K as canon, Sonic 3 is canon, Sonic & Knuckles is canon

[@georgeshaw4017]

@@gunman8452 They are the same events just together.

[@patrickdixon7202]

@@gunman8452 Shush.

[@personalover249]

Darkspine and Excalibur are stronger than Super

[@gunman8452]

@@personalover249 no they aren't

[@dynastykarma916]

With the context now granted by Frontiers The Super Emeralds are probably locked in Cyber Space And the Ancients probably used the Super Emeralds, which would make sense why the containers are so big, and they probably minorly power up the emeralds to make them fit

[@GlitchanBlack]

Morio Kishimoto: "Please allow me to introduce myself."

[@vdmix8170]

If I remember, a tweet from Morio [one of sonic team staff members] said that Hyper Sonic was sealed, and we might have a form equal to hyper.

[@Godzilla_Beast_of_Revelation]

Ain't no way in hell SEGA deadass wants Sonic to surpass Mario and they won't even bring this form back which will literally help with that💀💀💀

[@zxzuiq]

sonic already did surpass mario js with super sonic

[@tecklepheonix6344]

If they’re only locked away in a different dimension INSTEAD of being broken like we first thought, he’s going to get them back one day. We’ll see that legend again.

[@Brooo8666_TheSecond]

Sonic 3 AIR:hello there

[@ForeignEx-xo2sl]

But that's a fan game I think

[@Milesishere484]

Its a literally a fan remake of the only game the hyper sonic form Appeared in it does not count at all.

[@supertubbie8767]

I've been dreaming of seeing Hyper Sonic again since the moment he appeared. It seems to me that there will be an interesting plot with a threat that even super Sonic is powerless against, which is why Sonic will have to move to a new level.

[@OmegaStarstrike]

Yes, I'd like to see Hyper Sonic again. And they can bring that back.

[@animunsta3294]

So hyper sonic is basically the sonic universe’s ultra instinct

[@merchantziro4285]

I definitely can see the form returning some day, perhaps playing a role akin to Ultra Sonic from the Archie Sonic Comics. If not in a future Sonic game (or the future Frontiers DLC) then maybe in Sonic Prime or the IDW Comics?

[@SilvaShadow1990]

I still just want a game where we get Scourge.

[@homersodysseus]

not gonna happen anytime

[@SilvaShadow1990]

@@homersodysseus i Kno. But just think how cool we get another Sonic to interact with, and he is a complete opposite asshole of our Sonic. Imagine the fun interaction shadow and scourge could have, just like the comics!

[@KikzoTheDemonJackal]

​@@SilvaShadow1990 never going to happen

[@SilvaShadow1990]

@@KikzoTheDemonJackal I'll always dream XD I only keep pushing it because he's like the only Sonic we really haven't gotten yet.

[@KikzoTheDemonJackal]

@SilvaShadow1990 I get that, but we won't get him ever because Sega doesn't own him anymore. Ken Penders does, and he won't give him up or any other Archie Sonic characters he now owns. Sega already had to deal with Ken with the lawsuit he did to get those Archie characters, and they don't want to go thru that again. So, unfortunately, Scourge will never be returning at all in any sonic media.

[@cullbear55]

Hyper Sonic in SA3, make it happen lol

[@BoyleVoices]

That’s the one. 2027.

[@nelly6016]

Crazy how this bonus from one game is one of the beloved fan favorites of the entire series

[@BT_Official2011]

Well than they don't know how big hyper is so if there in a dif dimension make a game about it

[@ArcaneSequence]

What a lot of people don’t realise is that hyper sonic was actually a form sega said would never return but just tried to make it make sense here. The reason was that it looked too similar to another dragon ball form (and apparently super sonic and super saiyan weren’t close enough?) So basically, hyper sonic will never return.

[@PowerLevelScaling]

The actual reason: 1. It caused seizures 2. He's too overpowered

[@PowerLevelScaling]

The wikipedia is completely incorrect, the Super Emeralds are the Chaos Emeralds transformed due to the Master Emerald's power

[@bendygames7518]

People say he isn't canon but knuckles has remembered and mentioned the game where hyper happened

[@guts60]

Archie Sonic: “Hopping between dimensions? That’s easy, lemme go do it right now!”

[@T3boredsmh]

Dark sonic just sitting in the archives with hyper sonic

[@red7s156]

From a writing perspective, it also makes sense. They don't need to go the Dragon Ball route of making new, better powered-up forms every time Sonic faces a bigger threat than before lol

[@DeamonChocobo]

My headcanon: the Super Emeralds were a failsafe from the Ancient Echidna's who predicted the Mural we see of Sonic vs Robotnik in the game. They were a one time super charge ment to give the "chosen one" (for lack of a better term) a better chance of saving the Master Emerald, this is why they are colorless & cracked when knuckle revisits Emerald room in Sonic Mania. The Chaos Rings & Dark Rings that formed on the Island of Miracles in Knuckles Chaotix were a result of the excess chaos energy that was used to create the Super Emeralds being released after they were used up.

[@Waldassassine01]

It felt like super sonic was only tapping into the real power and that hyper sonic was the completed version of this

[@amirnterra7379]

It would be cool to see hyper sonic in newer sonic games, plus we've seen sonic hop threw multiple dimensions a lot so I wouldn't see a problem adding to the game as a Easter egg.

[@l4unchp4dgaming38]

The Comics had Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles. Both were achieved when they collected all the Chaos Emeralds.

[@eljaminlatour6633]

Hyper Sonic is cool, he's like a Sonic never seen before. Maybe, that would make the Kleptomobile and Phantom King bosses easier in Sonic Mania, since Super Sonic can dash but that sacrifices his rings.

[@johnmccrory2669]

Silver with the time travelling:🗿

[@Insomni14]

As a sonic veteran and as a person who has 1,000 hours in sonic generations I can assure you I remember seeing hyper in that game

[@ShineDark]

Sonic fans: “Wow! Hyper Sonic and Dark Super Sonic are such cool forms!” Sonic Team: “We don’t like them so you’ll never see them again!”

[@videogamefan101]

I definitely want Hyper Sonic back one day, but it needs a legitimate, well-written threat to warrant not only that kind of power, but the trouble to get the Super Emeralds.

[@Adia445]

Yes, they need to bring back hyper sonic we should see him in one of the movies