Why Dumbledore WANTED Sirius to ROT in Azkaban - Harry Potter Theory

[@sponklybonkly5876]

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[@your_local_cat_king712]

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[@suntzu8168]

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[@swathisham7262]

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[@drastix.mp4925]

@@suntzu8168 lol

[@lexilovesjesus9129]

Samesies

[@RLSteffler]

The Black brothers are among the most heroic and selfless characters in Harry Potter.

[@fleetskipper1810]

You’re right, they were, in the end. Very counterintuitive considering the type of family they came from. I would be very curious to know what relationship between the brothers was when they were younger.

[@j.j2030]

@@fleetskipper1810 allegedly, not great. regulus bought into the familys philsophy of pure blood, while sirius always actively went against his family

[@RLSteffler]

I would guess they weren't very close but probably didn't hate each other or fight much

[@RLSteffler]

@@fleetskipper1810 and Andromeda, and even Narcissa had some decency in the end. Bellatrix was the only child of that family who was truly evil like the parents and she tried to kill all the good people in her family

[@nihaalreddy6027]

YES

[@ericsommers8947]

Dumbledore is a master chess player, and all the other characters are pieces in a match he is playing versus Voldemort.

[@NAUM1]

That's a wizard's chess.

[@galia3683]

That’s totally barbaric

[@9cwai958]

4d chess

[@ozgundemir]

He did what must be done..

[@biswaranjansahoo1118]

so harry is the queen

[@zena9125]

I always felt like Sirius actually wanted to go to Azkaban at first. That's why he let Hagrid take Harry, and that's why he never tried escaping from Azkaban before. But the moment he saw Peter as Scabbers on Ron's shoulder in the Daily Prophet, he knew Harry was in danger and for the first time in 12 years, he decided to stop punishing himself for what happened and escaped to try and protect Harry. Of course, Dumbledore could have cleared his name and explained to him why Harry needed to stay with the Dursleys, but I think Sirius actually wanted to be in prison.

[@skebaba918]

Does this mean that he just outright false confessed to the crime (thus no need for trial) because of this?

[@pr00009]

@@skebaba918 thats plausible

[@pr00009]

i think so too.

[@Blad0tomato]

@@skebaba918 There was no trial for those deemed Dark Wizards. Life in Azkaban.

[@HosCreates]

I think so too, Sirius felt he need to to atone for his suggestion .

[@beyondwhimsy8284]

I have mixed feelings on Dumbledore now that I'm older. He is a great wizard but he is good a manipulating people to fall where he needs them.

[@PhilBagels]

Yeah. He did a lot of rather unethical things. And he may have relied too heavy on his legilimency - thinking that was all he needed to truly know and understand someone. He utterly failed in the case of Grindelwald - who was equally skilled at occlumency. Magic is not completely reliable for being a good judge of character.

[@beyondwhimsy8284]

@@PhilBagels I agree. I think if Harry would be loyal to Hogwarts even if he grew up in a loving home.

[@Lulu-tt2ge]

WOW FINALLY SOMEONE In the whole book Dumbledore planned Harrys death he needed harry to die, nothing more

[@Tenereus]

He was a greater good, big picture, morals before ethics kind of guy. Unfortunately people with that much intelligence easily forget about individuals

[@1sTEfFaniE1]

Funny, I've always liked the original actor who played Dumbledore best because he came across as more likable and kind, but now that I'm older I realize that the second actors colder portrayal is actually pretty accurate to the character.

[@MrRjhyt]

It's equally odd that Remus didn't visit either. Or any of his Order friends, we know visitors were allowed. In a world with veritaserum, and penseive, surely once the initial outrage had passed. At some point in those twelve years, someone would've visited, would've coaxed the truth from him...

[@Julian-pw5mv]

The problem with both of those methods is that the ability to alter your own memories also exists, as shown by slughorn.

[@marekmiks5177]

@@Julian-pw5mv Exactly. Or the fact that people can say their version of truth when given veritaserum.

[@Julian-pw5mv]

@@marekmiks5177 yeah you only have to say what you believe is true. So you can either spin the story if possible or just alter your own memory so you believe you are not guilty.

[@katecooper3410]

Well, Remus genuinely believed that Sirius was guilty, as did almost everyone else. It's not surprising

[@MrRjhyt]

@@marekmiks5177 It's true they could always admit to doing the actions, but being under the Imperius curse. So it can't reveal the soul only their actions.

[@soniandukwe8981]

I’m convinced Dumbledore was willing to throw everyone under the bus simply because he was focused on Harry killing Voldemort.

[@joesus3529]

But even dumbledore let himself die

[@DM-Oz]

@@joesus3529 Not that impressive when you realize he was already dying because of that curse

[@joesus3529]

@@DM-Oz dumbledore faced Voldemort multiple times saved Harry when they were fighting inferi and in the philosiphers stone saved Harry. If that’s not a griffendor then it could be a ravenclaw because he’s so smart or a hufflepuff for saving his friends so many times

[@Ollee37]

@@joesus3529 he saved harry because he needed to. If harry wasnt the chosen one dumbledore wouldnt have saved him. Face the fact, dumbledore is a selfish manipulator who onlg cares about himself

[@joesus3529]

@@Ollee37 he cared about Harry saving the wizard if world more then anything else

[@muhamed555]

I have a better explaination: Rowling never thought about this situation.

[@adelia6590]

This is most logical explanation tbh

[@afez2752]

Not to mention truth serum.

[@wireboar7321]

@@afez2752 truth serum isn't used against death eaters since many of them deliberately drank it frequently to develop resistance against the serum

[@aquasilver4293]

@@wireboar7321 where did you hear that?

[@aquasilver4293]

Yeah, well, we've collectively divorced JK Rowling ever since the time travel monstrosity that she dares call a book. Not to mention the most recent incidents surrounding her.

[@justinduffany5580]

I’m guessing that since he’s from the Black family, the most muggle opposed people ever, everyone probably just thought Sirius just finally succumb to the ideology.

[@prisoner396-siriusblack8]

I was long forgotten by my family after i ran away james let me live with him and we became brothers 🙂

[@kamcraft6608]

@@prisoner396-siriusblack8 so your Sirius Potter?

[@prisoner396-siriusblack8]

@@kamcraft6608 you could say that

[@prisoner396-siriusblack8]

@Krisynthia Gomez very smart

[@vijayendersingh5727]

@@prisoner396-siriusblack8 I know Sirius.You arw my favourite.Please come back!!!

[@SabhyataSahu]

As a kid, I trusted Dumbledore as Harry did. Until Aberforth questioned his belief and I was like, "Damn, he is right." Dumbledore only cared about the ultimate goal of killing Voldemort through Harry as the prophecy says. But it never said if Harry would be becoming a bigger evil than Voldemort. He needed to be selfless and down to earth. And Sirius was Harry's godfather, noble pure blood with lots of wealth. Harry might not have learned humility from him, considering Sirius's early actions. Indeed he paid a big price for being a sassy one in the young age.

[@mojus2890]

Nah, Dumbledore thought the prophecy was nonsense and the reason they're destined to fight is cause Harry really wants to revenge whole Voldy beleives the prophecy. It seemed pretty obvious that Dumbles didn't want harry involved in any of this nonsense. People keep trying to make flaws in Rowlings writing as characterization.

[@smoothbeak]

Total nonsense, he cared about creating an excellent school and protecting the students. I wonder if the reason people are seeing Dumbledore negatively has to do with some kind of modern "old white guys are bad" attitude and belief system.

[@smoothbeak]

@@mojus2890 Yes I agree with what you say there.

[@thealmightytruffles9622]

mmmmm im not so sure that harry wouldnt have learned humility. both sirius and his brother were very humble and forward thinking., for the most part. its what made them condemned by their family as a whole. especially with sirius not being too SERIOUS about maintaining the bloodline purity, i doubt he would've brought up harry as a spoiled brat like Malfoy was. in fact, IF the idea is petunia shared lily's blood and thereofore, harry being near the dursleys was needed... sirius couldve just... LIVED near the dursleys and brought harry there once a year. i just think dumbles needed sirius out fo the picture so he could mold him without interference from sirius, who wouldve heeded caution most likely. dumbles NEEDED harry to see him as a protector and a guide. undying loyalty BS

[@smoothbeak]

@@thealmightytruffles9622 Completely nonsensical dude :P

[@mena94x3]

“For the greater good.” Sounds like Dumbledore didn’t separate himself from Grindelwald’s vision as well as he’d hoped.

[@ineshomemcardoso]

That's exactly what I think and said in a more recent comment! They are bloody soulmates and I don't know how Dumbledore is considered a good guy. I like Dumbledore but he is worse than many villains and probably ruins more lives. Well 🤷🏻‍♀️ it is what it is...

[@ruiamorim592]

Its not the same fucking thing, Dumbledore saved the bloody world, Grindelwald wanted magical people to rule the world

[@simplymudblood4370]

Yea...Dumbledore could have just explained it to Sirius why he cannot live with him.. Sirius cares for harry, he woulf hv understood.. But Sirius COULD HAVE DIED IN AZKABAN.. I have really started to dislike dumbledore after the 7th book.. Its like he is playing chess against the 'dark side' while all the 'chess pieces' people are dying... I MEAN WTH ??!?!!! Is it necassary to *ruin* someone who is in their *20s' life* ???? Well Sirius being my fave character I DONT THINK SO..

[@ScarsFromTomorrow1]

@@simplymudblood4370 Sirius deserved so much better. And Dumbledore had the NERVE to basically blame him for his death by saying he was mean to Kreacher! Like, he sticks Sirius in a home that held an insane amount of trauma for him, won't even let him go outside, and expects him to be nice to a being that treats him like garbage and brings all of that trauma right back? Sirius got screwed over his entire life, first by his parents, then by the Ministry (and Dumbledore), and then Dumbledore again.

[@simplymudblood4370]

@@ScarsFromTomorrow1 exactly... The AUDACITY! And Sirius was a lil mean to kreacher but that too because no one in the house was nice to him??? Sirius really did deserve so much better... I dont think he ever had a good time without james.. Because he was the only one he felt happy with.. Plus Dumbo dumbledore is a leegilimens he could hv saved Sirius.. Also why cant dumbledore keep Sirius in hogwarts.. No one cared about fluffy.. Or maybe in his office.. What is the problem with that?? No one can come in dumbledores office without his permission so why?? If it wasnt for dumbledore Sirius would nt have died amd even not have been sent to azkaban.. Sirius never was a free man while he was alive... Not at his home, a student at hogwarts, order member, azkaban for a crime he didnt commit, lived for 2 years in hiding then murdered by his own cousin.. We STAN SIRIUS

[@alimatt9685]

"Dumbledore manipulated Harry from day one, for the greater good." That shit got me lol

[@loisjeanwilliams]

Ali Matt: Yeah, me, too.

[@simplymudblood4370]

So truue..Dumbledore could have just explained it to Sirius why he cannot live with him.. Sirus would hv understood.. Obv he cared for harry's safety.. Sirius COULD HAVE DIED IN AZKABAN.. I have really started to dislike dumbledore after the 7th book.. Its like he is playing chess against the 'dark side' while all the 'chess pieces' people are dying... I MEAN WTH ??!?!!! Is it necassary to *ruin* someone who is in their *20s' life* ???? Well Sirius being my fave character I DONT THINK SO..

[@alimatt9685]

@@simplymudblood4370 true.. it’s for the greater good lol Sirius’ life vs millions of innocent people

[@w.c2255]

It shows us all the more why Grindelwald was Dumbledore equal. Both had the same personalities and both could manipulate people where they wanted them. Dumbledore was just the good side of the coin while Grindelwald was the bad side/ extremist.

[@firefly5934]

He really didn’t move on from Grindelwald, did he?

[@simonclarke3346]

There is one thing that I always find curious on this subject. When Hagrid brings Harry to the dursleys. Dumbledore makes no reaction when Hagrid tells him that Sirius Black was there and gave him the bike. If he believed Sirius to be the secret keeper and he betrayed Lily and James, why did he not probe Hagrid for details in order to track Sirius down?

[@inmate-yj3ic]

cus at the time nobody knew it was sirius who did that. everyone believed it was sirius when he cornered wormtail.

[@inmate-yj3ic]

cus nobody knew at the time that it was sirius. they believed it was sirius only after he cornered wormtail

[@simonclarke3346]

@@inmate-yj3ic Wrong. Dumbledore thought Sirius was the secret keeper all along. He only found out that they had switched to petigrew in the prisoner of azkaban. The ministry was looking for Sirius from the start. Fudge tells us this in the leaky cauldron when he say pettigrew went after black and got there first.

[@willigagbob8243]

@@inmate-yj3ic Dumbledore believed Sirius was secret keeper, I believe because James and Sirius decided to not tell anyone they had changed.

[@garcardosotan6172]

Think about it. Dumbledore had more pressing matters at the moment being making sure Harry got to the Dursley's and with Apparition, asking random questions does nothing to pn point a Wizard's location. You all are reading a bit too much into this stuff. XD Also remember that Dumbledore slightly blames himself for the death of the Potters as he had the invisibility cloak, and he didn't press hard enough to be made their original secret keeper.

[@Collin1215]

but harry didn't go to the dursley's as a second option. hagrid take him there on Sirius's bike which happens before anyone believe Sirius was guilty.

[@pogboom-mm]

yeah but the only reason Hagrid didn't give Harry to Sirius is because Dumbledore had told him not to, because of his mother's protection he would gain by living with the Dursleys. Harry would've been given straight to Sirius or he would've been put under some other form of protection, from Dumbledore or the Ministry, if they didn't know about said sacrifice or some other reason.

[@Collin1215]

@@pogboom-mm yeah but sirius was perfectly fine with hagrid taking harry away since he lend hagrid his bike. its not like dumbledore need to make sirius rot in azkaban to make sure harry stays at privet drive

[@pogboom-mm]

@@Collin1215 true

[@bluerisk]

@@pogboom-mm Dumbledore was not as good as many might think. Even Snape was disgusted (in the movies) when he learnt that Dumbledore had always destined Harry to be the lamb for the slaughter in order to defeat Voldermord and serve the greater good.

[@pogboom-mm]

@@bluerisk yes ik but im just giving the answer to what he said. my reply has barely anything to do with how good or bad dumbledore was

[@eunicezhang704]

Anyone else thinks that this sounds like Dumbledore's old phrase "For the greater good"? like I feel this was Dumbledore's thought process: What does it matter that one innocent man rots in jail if overall, the wizarding war would be saved? What did it matter that Harry would have to die if it was in the better interest of everyone else?

[@randomsoprano85]

True, and yet...is he "wrong"? I feel like this might be a moral alignment question, and not an objective "right or wrong" issue.

[@prabhjot1986able]

The whole wizarding world is way more important than the life of Sirius or Harry

[@fizabatool7548]

He wasn't wrong. He already knew that Sirius would escape someday and he would help Harry to catch Pettigrew. He also knew that Harry wouldn't die the first time, because of Lily's love. Which is why he did nothing about yese two things, and looked for the better of the society

[@fizabatool7548]

@@denizkenger52 he COULD, but he didn't. And I'm sure JK had her reasons though I am seriously baffled at what they are

[@fizabatool7548]

@@denizkenger52 nah that's impossible. If Dumbledore had actually thought that he wouldn't have told Harry and Hermione to save him

[@cateyes3813]

Well, look at what Dumbledore's brother says about him. It seemed to me that Snape actually cared a lot more selflessly about Harry than Dumbledore ever did. With Dumbledore pretending to be Harry's friend (or at the very least, only wanting to be close to Harry for specific reasons), seeming to act as Harry's mentor etc etc but only telling Harry key points and not giving Harry vital knowledge about his fate when it suited Dumbledore's purposes is way worse than if he'd had nothing much to do with Harry. Snape was even taken aback at Albus' coldness re Harry's death and SNAPE was the one who said the phrase about what, so all these years you've just been raising Harry like "a pig for slaughter" to Dumbledore. It did put Dumbledore in a very different light when you consider that he *had* known for all those years that his plans would lead to Harry's death and Snape calling him out for merely ONLY caring that Harry died "at the appropriate time" was pretty accurate. Manipulation is manipulation - "greater good" or not - it always does involve deception, opportunism, portraying disingenuine emotions and "using people". And anybody who has all those traits? I wouldn't exactly describe them as possessing likeable characteristics.

[@Evan.the.Butler]

Dumbledore encouraging Sirius's sentence to constant torture in Azkaban and Harry's upbringing in an abusive household for the "greater good" sounds suspiciously like Grindelwald's philosophy to me. You'd almost think they used to be partners or something...

[@SpecialOrder_937]

Huh … who’d of thought …. Perhaps Rita

[@raknamedsune3417]

He was encouraging Harry to live with the Dursleys because Lilys sacrifice gave Harry a protection against Voldemort, which we all know by now but as long as Harry lived with blood family (Petunia and Dudley) he would still have that protection which is why Harry survived Voldemorts attempt to kill him in the last book/movie. Aka as long as Harry lived with Petunia and called that home he would be protected from Voldemort. Dumbledore knew this which is why he allowed Harry to live with the Dursleys, to protect him. If Harry was to stay with Sirius or the Weasleys permanently then Harry wouldn't have that protection his mother gave him. It would have been broken the minute Harry moved out from the Dursleys to stay with Sirius and Harry would've died in the last book/movie along with the horcrux inside him when Voldemort casted the killing curse on him.

[@loyisbinnell2399]

@@raknamedsune3417 someone doesn’t get the joke

[@lapplandkun9273]

@@raknamedsune3417 thanks for mindlessly droning the same information that was established in the books. Can you think of anything new to add to this conversation?

[@acelilumelody4445]

@@raknamedsune3417 then that protection should have ended the moment he started considering hog warts home at the end of book 1 surely?

[@jetx2599]

Rowling should of made Dumbledor a Slytherin as it would’ve been interesting for Harry to look up to a Slytherin despite everyone always saying they are bad. It also suited Dumbles personality of keeping secrets and withholding information all the time

[@lmn6023]

For years I was convinced he was a Ravenclaw. Gryffindor doesn't fit him at all.

[@SpecialOrder_937]

In the end that person was Snape , one of his son’s middle names is Severus

[@dustinmerrell538]

On the other hand, it’s good to have flawed Gryffindors; the house doesn’t/shouldn’t signify wholly flawless individuals who lack the ability to make mistakes - even deceitful and/or hurtful ones. Similarly, it’s nice that Snape - who utterly exemplifies the Slytherin brand - turns out to be a (admittedly flawed) hero. If Gryffindor was all bubbles and heroes and Slytherin was all liars and death eaters, it would make for a rather mundane creative universe. In the first few books, when everyone is so young, things *do* seem a lot simpler in that way; however, those archetypes definitely get tested as the novels and characters progress. Plus, the the whole ordeal about Harry being a good choice for Slytherin - but having his preference for Gryffindor factor into the equation - implies a broader idea that the house in which an individual is put only matters so much….we definitely see that the houses *shape* people, but they don’t limit or define them. All of that being said….I do feel as though Dumbledore was similar to Harry in the sense that he too would have made a “fine Slytherin.” In the later novels (the last one in particular), we do definitely get a sense that Dumbledore’s humility took a backseat to his own search for power and self-preservation. So I definitely don’t disagree that it would’ve been a fit - I just don’t think that Gryffindor was a misfit

[@gerstein03]

Plot twist: Dumbledore was a Slytherin but nobody alive save for Abreforth actually knows that and he pretends to be a Gryffindor to Harry to manipulate him

[@pavook]

Dumbledore could simply ask the Hat to not be put in Slytherin and he would likely succeed, like Harry. There is also a fact that the Hat does personality test on 11y old children. He could have changed later or after Ariana's death.

[@jeffhreid]

Albus was a personality that still was affected by Grindivold’s “greater good” philosophy. Throughout the books it was made clear Albus would grind any grist needed to achieve his aims

[@joefuentes2977]

Yep remember he was "really close" with Grindelwald!

[@Roozyj]

Affected by it, or did he just genuinely believe in it? I feel like he and Grindlewald had been on the same page all along. Then again, I have never seen or read Crimes of Grindlewald, so I'm not sure. The only difference in their philosophies seems to be what they consider to be 'the greater good'.

[@smoczystrumien7908]

@@Roozyj the difrence is in dumeldre wantet to save a world while his boifrend only wizards but yes they had the same idealogy

[@wijiastutik667]

It's all clear to me when Harry saw Snape memory, and i realise how ruthless was Dumbledore when he wanted to achieve his goal, i mean he knew from the start that Harry need to die in order to defeat Voldemort, and just like Snape said 'he raised him like a pig for slaughter' he only save Harry and make sure that he grow up like he supposed to be just for the sake of it, it was never for Lilly or even Harry own sake, he only knew Harry could survive after the triwizard tournament where's Voldemort take Harry blood to bypass Lilly protection, but he was willing to sacrifice him when the time is come for real anyway if that circumstance never happen. He's the one that design the plan to move 7 Harry using polyjuice in DH and tell Snape to leak it to Voldemort so Snape could gain the absolute trust from him, certainly knowing that this plan could've easily killed his friend and endanger everyone in those mission, proofing that he doesn't care or never care about anything, as long as it serve 'the greater good', he even sacrifice his own life just to make sure that Voldemort never gain the elder wand allegiance. Dumbledore never change after Ariana died, the only thing he gain from his sister death was a 'moral line', everything else stay the same for him after that, he still manipulate everyone around him and use them to achieve his goals with his new view, everything else does not matter.

[@drackestalentorgen166]

or maybe it was his philosophy all along

[@walmartpikachu6984]

"Under the roof of the Dursleys, Harry was safe." *Dudley (and friends) beat him* *was locked up in a cupboard* *was getting starved* *was called freak* *never experienced love or even kindness* If I was Harry, I'd go with Sirius, even if there was no blood protection. (And there WAS. Dumbledore cast the Fidelius over Grimmauldplace, himself being the secret keeper. Harry would have been at the safest of places, but no, he's "safe" with the Dursleys)

[@SudhuSundar]

Not to mention, voldy was nothing more than powerless and weakest creature without human body, wand or any help during those initial 10 yrs.... Sirius deserved better....

[@punkwrestle]

There is no spell stronger in the Rowling world than love, especially the pure love of a mother for her child.

[@walmartpikachu6984]

@@punkwrestle still, Voldemort couldn't break through the Fidelius (even if it's not the MOST powerful, it certainly IS powerful), only with Peter's help. So Harry WOULD be safe, if Dumbledore didn't tell Voldy about the house (which I doubt)

[@chosengirlonfire]

What everyone seems to be forgetting is that he would only be safe while in the house with the fidelius charm, however with the blood protection, if he stays there enough to call it home, voldemort can't touch him wherever Harry is.

[@puckbanaan1795]

Amy G yeah but didn’t Harry also get kidnapped to a graveyard in his fourth year while calling the Dursley’s house home? Harry still wasn’t safe everywhere. I doubt the bloodline holds up to only summer breaks, too.

[@kaenachoo4783]

Something I’ve been wondering about for a while was that if Sirius didn’t die in the 5th book, would Dumbledore have let Harry live with Sirius at Grimmauld Place? Sure Harry is protected at the Dursley’s but Grimmuald place is also protected by Dumbledore himself and thanks to the Fidelius charm pretty much no one can find it.

[@FDSDFu3278]

Sure, Harry might be safe in the house but when he wasn’t in there, he was in danger. After all, Lily’s blood magic only worked bc petunia was her sister. So I don’t think dumbledore would let Harry leave as he needed him to stay alive until the very end.

[@monkeybandit222]

JJJustinHHL yeah true, he was ready to die because he had no family left just friends. I feel like he wanted to join them as well, but hey just a theory

[@ihappydawnz]

your profile pic reminds me of soundsmith, a tf2 ytber

[@jcerasi13]

Good point but I think it would have been like the 5th and 6th books in your scenario. Spend a month at the Dursleys and then get to leave earlier than normal at least. Get protection by calling it home and then leave early so he doesn't go too crazy

[@jcerasi13]

But with the butterfly effect, who knows how that could have shaken out by the 7th book with Snape being an assumed traitor and Sirius hating Snape and loving action. A lot to think on for sure

[@StephanieTips]

I mean, people say Snape was amazing to conceal his true alliance, but Pettigrew proved to be a master of deception too. I'm surprised Dumbledore or even James and Sirius never noticed his dark side + I never understood at how little Veritaserum was used during crime trials. One vial and Sirius would have been released

[@jlui21]

They probably should have used the force. Insert Baby Yoda multiverse.

[@smoothbeak]

It's bad writing, and a lack of forethought. Obviously everyone would have been very suspicious of someone like Peter Pettigew.

[@smoothbeak]

@@jlui21 LOL, love it!

[@coreyklaustermeier5692]

I know this is late but it is said in the books that veritaserum is much easier to resist or prepare for when you know it’s coming. So you can still lie or take an antidote before your arrest, which is why it isn’t commonly used. It would be easy to manipulate people if they thought you couldn’t lie, whereas without the veritaserum they know to be skeptical of everything you say.

[@talkingpie1]

I don't think it was a dark side being hidden. He was just a coward. A great many people are. His friends knew it. They accepted it. We all have a friend or two that are cowards. Pettigrew wasn't evil. He was afraid. Just another victim of Voldemort.

[@megv7481]

Dumbledore admitted in the end of OoTP that he himself had given his word that Sirius was the traitor as he was the Secret Keeper. It's likely due to this too that Sirius never got a trial.

[@prathamkamath8280]

I am sorry, but what's OoTP

[@ehda9887]

pratham kamath Order of the Phoenix

[@prathamkamath8280]

@@ehda9887 thanks

[@megv7481]

@They_Call_Me_ Pebbles I know that, but Dumbledore didn't when he gave his word to the court.

[@prathamkamath8280]

@@megv7481 I think that he suspected both Sirius and peter

[@luvcherry]

90% of cool harry potter theories that enrich the story are because jk rowling didn't think to fix the plothole lmao

[@propheinx2250]

Honestly, I don't think people's 12 year old brains would've like the series as much if it didn't have the plot holes. A clear and concise story without plot holes resists forming a fan base because there's nothing to talk about. Plot holes create talking points which in turn gets people talking about them which gets people listening which interests people in experiencing it themselves. Movies and stories without plot holes, don't get remembered.

[@michelebelfiore921]

Well, the story itself has not plot holes, the reasons why Sirius had been in prison for years are irrelevant on the ongoing of the main story, Harry Potter's quest make sense regardless of what Dumbledore did or did not know about Sirius imprisonment. These theories are made because people would love to obtain the story of the whole wizarding world in which Harry Potter is just a part.

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

@@michelebelfiore921 Literally. People just love throwing the term "plot hole" out whenever

[@FabricatedPheonix]

@@propheinx2250 False. Having a good developed world is what gets people talking. They want to know more about the outside world of the story. If you build a good world with no potholes people will still talk about it.

[@propheinx2250]

@@FabricatedPheonix you're absolutely right about world building mattering. Without it, the plot holes would've rendered the story garbage. With it, the plot holes make the fandom.

[@jkrause365]

"For the Greater Good" After all those years, Dumbledore still acts the same as Grindelwald.

[@joesus3529]

It’s true even he died for Harry

[@rulerzigzag]

Except Dumbledore is ACTUALLY for the greater good, while Grindlewald uses the phrase as an excuse to kill, oppress and subjugate muggles

[@ricardokojin7]

@@rulerzigzag Even then...the "greater good" is a VERY dangerous thing.

[@iecasper]

With great power comes great responsibility.

[@keatoncampbell820]

I love democracy

[@callmev3531]

6:00, 6:44, I would think this to be the possible case. Him wanting to have more control over Harry’s life. As after all, Harry’s life and death were all part of Dumbledore’s plan. Sirius would likely have never gone along with it or would have interfered with it.

[@keithkahler1327]

Certainly Harry would actually have a sense of backbone strong enough to not be pawn on Dumbledore's chessboard

[@drakeasher7799]

@@keithkahler1327 who gives a damn about harry potter the world was at stake

[@keithkahler1327]

@@drakeasher7799 if they had killed all the death eater's a lot fewer people would have followed Voldemort

[@keithkahler1327]

And they squandered a good decade where they could have worked to weaken Voldemort further, Ron and Neville proved you didn't need to be Harry Potter to harm Voldemort

[@callmev3531]

@@keithkahler1327 they killed two horcruxes, not Voldemort himself...and without the special relationship Harry has with Voldemort, being the Elder Wand’s master and having Sacrificial Protection on himself and his allies, Voldemort would have been able to simply defend against any other wizards attempts to kill him or would have inadvertently destroyed himself when a lethal spell from him rebounds. As to the killing of all the death eater’s, the issue with that is that some where under the imperius curse, which it seems very few can detect in others. Killing every single death eater would have meant potentially killing an unrolled number of innocent people along with them, which even the ministry isn’t that cruel to do since committing mass executions wouldn’t look good in the public eye. They’d be seen as barbarians finding simple solutions to complex problems. Another problem is not all death eater’s were identified....some hid until the right moment to come out for round 2 in the second wizarding war. The last problem is that Askaban was thought to be inescapable until Sirius Black and Barty Crouch Jr. escaped....not only due to its location but the dementor’s constantly draining the will and morale from their prisoners, psychologically torturing them endlessly.....a fate far worse than simply dying. What the ministry didn’t count on was that a select few would have the will and focus to survive long enough to find a way of that rock.

[@brandonmedina494]

Damn, I hope this isn't true. Dumbledore is known for manipulating events to achieve his ends (sounds a tad Slytherin-like, but remember he raised Harry like a pig for slaughter). Allowing Sirius to go to prison for a crime he didn't commit so he couldn't interfere with his plans for Harry doesn't sound as farfetched as it seems

[@countryroads7211]

He knew Sirius loved Harry too much and would NEVER let it go down the way he needed it to. Dumbledore, really, might’ve been worse than Voldemort. But we ALL know that Umbridge was THE worst. 😂

[@amittripathi626]

He did believe in the greater good i guess

[@freedomintheusa1]

Dumbledore wanted Harry to have no esteem and pliable so he can mold Harry into a weapon. Dumbledore and the Weasleys were always suspisious in my eyes. The meeting of the Weasleys was a set up orchestrated by Dumbledore so Harry only became freinds with people Dumbledore controlled or who worshipped him (Molly worshipped Dumbledore and browbeated her family to do so too). He planned Harrys life right down to who he was to marry (sorry but dont buy into Harry falling for Ginny out of the blue. There is very little interaction with Ginny throught out the books). Dumbledore was the true dark lord of the books. He even knew and did nothing about Tom Riddle. If he had, Voldemort would have never came to be. His greater good was to rule the magical world for himself which he did as headmaster, Head of the Wizamagot, and Supreme Mugwump of ICW. Three very powerful positions held by one man.

[@bouzakmaya3260]

@@freedomintheusa1 my goodness, your explanation does really make sense.

[@15r52]

@@freedomintheusa1 thats a load of horseshit 🤣🤣

[@tstefanyk6604]

One of my favorite things about the series is how the characters evolve/are revealed over time, becoming more complex, more interesting, and forcing us to shift our perspective regarding them. Thank you for the insight, again ☺️

[@russianbot5302]

"He deserves to rot in hell!" Dumbledore said calmly.

[@HarryPotterTheory]

😂

[@thekaijuuniverseplayer701]

@@HarryPotterTheory legend

[@katieclark2091]

Lol

[@sabirseth7655]

Hah!

[@viratvemula]

Lol!

[@AndreSomers]

It seems a rather extreme way to make sure Harry would stay with the Dursleys. Might just explaining this to Sirius not have been enough to let him be content with a role at a bit more distance in Harry’s life? Did Sirius really need to rot in Azkaban to achieve giving Harry a safe home? It seems rather far-fetched to me.

[@mehdi3871]

Wait couldn't they use priori incartem on Sirius's wand

[@katieelin.]

Oh yh! Why didn’t they do that 😭

[@dagoosetm3299]

That’s what I think when ever I watch or read the movies

[@kaenachoo4783]

Sadly another plot hole in the story

[@mehdi3871]

@Zazar9999 not really Amos diggory used it to see what spell Harry's wand did last

[@wicked4607]

The ministry didn’t think that he was innocent

[@lovealegria]

It is fascinating that when you read the books and see the movies as a kid you love and buy into everything you see. Skip to adulthood and all of a sudden alot of things are not right and some downright horrible. There are 2 chessplayers in the grand scheme that are these books and they both don't care for human life and don't mind using everone to their disposal. Everything for the greater good….The only difference between the two is that Tom Riddle doesn't hide his agenda and "ambition"

[@nobilior3217]

It was war for the future of the wizarding world. You see a taste of how bad it would get in after Dumbledore dies and Voldemort takes over. Harry was the only one with the ability to kill Voldemort so Dumbledore had to make difficult decisions to prepare Harry for the final dual. Dumbledore also figured out the horcruxes that Voldemort made and that Harry was one as well. So to destroy Voldemort Harry would have to be killed by Voldemort. Dumbledore tells Harry how much he cares for him at the end of the The order of the Phoenix. He then teaches him about the horcruxes and the ways to destroy them. He explained to Snape why he didn’t tell Harry that he was a Horcrux but Snape would have to at the right moment. Dumbledore also knew that Voldemort made a huge mistake when he took Harry’s blood bc that would protect Harry and he then had a chance to survive after Voldemort used the killing curse on him. Dumbledore cared for life while Voldemort would kill anyone to gain power. Dumbledore’s only “agenda” was the downfall of Voldemort.

[@johans3164]

yeah lets root for voldemort instead, killing muggles and treating wizard who are lesser as a second citizen that must be hated at all cost. yeah. he is the true hero. screw dumbledore who want peace. let voldy rule the world. yeah. let him kill multiple parents and make kids orphans

[@lovealegria]

@@johans3164 can you read? I never said anything about supporting Voldemort just that Dumbledore is not the hero everyone think he is. It is not black and white, I don't have to support one or the other. I can decide to not support and stand for either of them. Voldemort is not hiding what he wants while Dumbledore is not really up front with his agenda, that was the argument.

[@prishjosh9303]

😔and I liked dumbledore😔

[@Shcroft2]

@@lovealegria Dumbledore's agenda relies on being kept a secret. His ambition to defeat Voldemort is similar to the ambition of Voldemort to rule over muggles only in how far they are willing to go to achieve it, not the end-goal. You pick a side based on what outcome is the best, and you label one good and one evil.

[@Cptnjenks]

maybe Sirius also wanted to go in there too as he felt like it was ultimately him who killed them having convinced James to make the switch. perhaps it was self-punishment in a way. this would also have helped him not sircum to the dementors as he wanted to be there.

[@TheWingAnthony]

8:55 "For the greater good". Now *that* rings some bells.

[@themuffenman4261]

You can’t just ignore Sirius’ innocence - actually yes I can I’m the chief inspector.

[@novart9230]

I don't think Dumbledore knew that Sirius was innocent because everything was against him : - They knew that there were a traitor in the Order of the Phoenix and a lot of members were killed so they were all on edge (When Sirius and Remus are talking for the first time in the 3r book, they said they were suspecting one another). When Sirius was confirmed to be the traitor that means he was the reason not only for the Potter death but also for all the others dead members. So yeah...no friends anymore for him. - Sirius was a Black and all members of his family were ally to Voldemort (well at least officialy for his brother) so he was always a good suspect. - Fudge was a brand new Minister of Magic and we know that he would never look further. It was clear in the book that Fudge saw trials like unnecessery and a lost of his precious time. He was ready to kill Sirius on the spot after his escape. Beside Sirius was the last "death eater" to be arrested so they were no compassion left for him. After his second escape (thanks to Harry), it was impossible for Fudge to believe that he was innocent. - As you said, he was seen laughing in front of 12 dead muggles and what was left of Pettigrew so mad man, no question asked. So with all that and Dumbledore convinced that Sirius was indeed the secret keeper of the Potter I think he didn't see Sirus as innocent. Also Dumbledore had probably a lot of guilt : The Potter were dead (even though the couple was his top priority to protect), the Longbottom were tortured (the other family under his protection) and a lot of members of the Phoenix, invited by Dumbledore himself, were killed. Dumbledore disband the order and worked alone after that and wasn't probably open to forgive Sirius if nothing show him that he was potentialy innocent other that his school years (Pettigrow was also a "good" student and any of his teachers could believe that he was a traitor). And I really don't think Dumbledore would have left Sirius rot in Azkaban just to let Harry be with the Dursley. He would have explain to Sirius the truth about the protection and Sirius would have probably accept an alternative. If not, Dumbledore would have find a way to send Sirius elsewhere but not a prison.

[@marcopolo-qs4uu]

Thankyou lol.

[@Marionsbunny]

I agree

[@TonysStabindadark]

👍

[@vlcek2228]

Finally. And another think to take into account is that even Remus Siriuses old buddy and a dear friend didn't know about his innocence until Harry's third year... And yet Dumbledore should have known?

[@saylremi]

100% agree! It said in the books that he was sent to Azkaban without a trial because of Crouch.

[@lauraschoenborn3544]

Here’s the thing. Yes, Dumbledore is wise. But the thing is, everyone over looks one crucial detail with Sirius imprisoned. The Whole change in Secret Keepers was so carefully planned that Dumbledore had no idea that they switched secret keepers. So he was under the impression that Sirius was the traitor. He didn’t know about being an animagus that’s why it was such a mystery on how he was getting into the castle.

[@ruthie3123]

It crazy how much I learned from this channel

[@aabaxter55]

I have long thought the same things. Dumbledore would have made the perfect villain had he sided with Grindalwald.

[@phaerion9142]

Maybe but morally gray heroes should be more mainstream, sugar coated childish goodie goodies righteous heroes are really boring and predictable, villians tend to be more complex, intelligent and complex because a lot of narratives is "the vast goodies vs the evil one" so they are written to be capable against huge odds (1 vs many)

[@nickthompson2023]

As the saying goes, “All’s fair in love and war.” Dumbledore knew the games he would have to play to defeat Tom due to their history. The fact that he sacrificed himself in the end just shows he had come full circle in his quest for power and realized without people to live, power was very lonely.

[@naly202]

Damn it, Voldemort cared more about Harry than Dumbledore ever did.

[@babyyoda2190]

It’s sad honesty

[@walmartpikachu6984]

Voldy was like: No one can kill Harry (but me)!😡 And Dumbles be like: Good luck living in an abusive household for some years, until you have to be a martyr! 😊

[@drakeasher7799]

@@walmartpikachu6984 you guys are sad Sirius black caused the potters to die

[@drakeasher7799]

@@babyyoda2190 its not sad dumbledore did what needed to be done

[@vikavoltisepic3507]

Drake Asher no he didn’t, that was peter pettigrew SMH

[@shanealexander4832]

"For the greater good".... So much evil is always done in the name of the greater good. HP Theory, I completely agree with your theory. It's the only one that makes complete sense. If not, then JKR left some serious plot holes unplugged. What has always puzzled me since Prisoner of Azkaban, is why James didn't make himself secret keeper (thus eliminating possible betrayal and the need to put his friends in danger)? I had theorized that probably someone living in the place to be protected couldn't be made secret keeper of that place but JKR blew that theory out of the water when Bill made himself secret keeper of Shell Cottage in Deathly Hallows. What do you think?

[@adrianstefaniak7584]

Pretty sure she later on did not keep enought attetntion to not create later on huge plot holes. Just this wand ownership in last one is a load of BS XD

[@fizabatool7548]

That's true, but what's even more confusing is why didn't he make Remus, or even DUMBLEDORE secret keeper?

[@dansharp2860]

@@fizabatool7548 Because Sirius was his best friend. He had no reason to doubt any of his friends and thought it was highly dishonorable to do so. Also, anybody else seems "logical" with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.

[@marcopolo-qs4uu]

@@dansharp2860 sirius wasnt secret keeper

[@dansharp2860]

@@marcopolo-qs4uu He was at first. Then they switched to Peter, another of James' closest friends who he had absolute confidence would never betray him. He was wrong but in his mind both were as good if not better choices than Dumbledore.

[@crimsonjack8617]

There were witnesses to the killing and Sirius wouldn't defend himself. He said, himself, that he as good as killed them when they were in the shrieking shack. Maybe, he was accused by everyone and accepted his fate because he felt extreme guilt and grief at having made the fateful decision that was responsible for getting his best friend, his brother, killed. That would have been an awful burden to bear. I don't think Dumbledore knew and did nothing, I think he just accepted things as they looked, knowing that they did have a mole in their midst. Grief and guilt , I think, kept Sirius in prison until he saw Peter's picture in the paper, not Dumbledore. I think Dumbledore would have moved Heaven and earth if Sirius has uttered one word concerning what actually happened.

[@Malthizar]

Dumbledore literally NEVER just accepts things on their face.

[@josephdillard9907]

This theory makes a lot of sense, and it makes me think of something else too. After Sirius dies and Harry is in Dumbledore's office screaming at him and throwing his stuff around and having a tantrum, he starts going on about how Dumbledore had kept Sirius shut in at Grimmauld Place for all that time and how it had been so terrible for him cause people don't like being shut in and all that, and then suddenly Dumbledore had tears in his eyes. Could he possibly have been thinking not only about the time he kept Sirius shut up in Grimmauld Place, but also about how he had left him to rot for 12 years in Azkaban too? I imagine Dumbledore would feel a lot of guilt about something like that, even if it had been necessary, for the greater good. But of course that's only if this theory is right, and as to that, who knows?

[@brandonreed09]

Dumbledore felt guilty because he didn't tell Harry about the prophecy. If he did Harry would have known the whole situation at the Department of Mysteries was a trap, that Voldemort was just trying to lure him there.

[@mikewatts1533]

I am sorry but Albus was the epitome of Manipulation. Cry on demand, no problem. Disappointed look, check. Bring in an item that a Dark Lord want into a school full of innocent kids, easy peasy. He cared about nothing else but his control over everyone else.

[@ForeverDegenerate]

@Harry Potter Theory There's one more piece of the puzzle that you failed to mention that actually paints Dumbledore in a better light. And the piece is thus: leaving Sirius in Azkaban wasn't entirely Dumbledore's decision. It was also Sirius'. Sirius would have known about Lily's sacrifice and, if not, Dumbledore would have told him. Knowing that the absolute safest place for Harry was with The Dursleys and knowing that if he were to go free, Sirius would be far too tempted to accept the awarding of guardianship over Harry, it is entirely possible that, at Dumbledore's urging, Sirius willingly chose to take the fall and remain in Azkaban to protect Harry. And why do I say that? Because there is one undeniable fact that everyone seems to be overlooking: Sirius Black could have escaped Azkaban AT ANY TIME. But he didn't. Until Harry's third year at Hogwarts. The fact that he was in Azkaban for 12 years before escaping would tell me that Sirius' imprisonment was entirely by choice. Also consider this: Why in the Hell would the Ministry allow someone like Sirius Black to remain alive for TWELVE YEARS?! The answer, of course, is they wouldn't. And the proof is that after Barty Crouch Jr. is re-captured and sent to Azkaban, he is promptly kissed by the Dementors and killed. Logic would dictate that, for a man who was sent to Azkaban without trial, that should also have been Sirius' fate. Yet the fact remains that Sirius Black remained alive in Azkaban for twelve years. How is this possible? There's one man who would have had the authority and the means to make this so. And that man is the Chief Warlock of The Wizengamot: Albus Dumbledore. You said it yourself, with that title, Dumbledore has unrestricted access to Azkaban and it's inhabitants. Here's what I think happened: I think upon his incarceration, Albus Dumbledore DID visit Sirius Black. I think after a discussion between the two, it was decided that the best thing for Harry was for Sirius Black to remain in Azkaban. Or, at least, that's what Dumbledore used to convince Sirius to agree to the plan. In truth, I like your take on Dumbledore where he planned everything from the beginning and manipulated Harry's entire life up until the end of the books for the express purpose of saving the Wizarding World from Voldemort, Harry be damned. It fits with what we know of the character of Albus Dumbledore. I think Dumbledore told Sirius to wait in Azkaban for word from Dumbledore before breaking out and, in return, Dumbledore himself would muzzle The Dementors so they wouldn't kill him. Year Three comes along and Dumbledore sends for Sirius who promptly goes Dog Mode and breaks out. So why Year 3? The answer to that question lies with the hiring of Remus Lupin as the DADA Professor. As I see it, there were only two reasons Dumbledore hired Lupin. The first, and primary, reason for hiring Lupin is because Dumbledore knew that Scabbers was Peter Pettigrew the entire time. He had to have known the moment Ron Weasley walked through the doors of Hogwarts. By Year 3, Harry was mature enough to be shown the truth and the only way the truth would be revealed would be to entice Peter to show his ugly mug. Enter Remus Lupin, one of only two men whose presence would actually entice Peter to come out and play. But Dumbledore knew that wouldn't be enough. And that leads to the second reason Lupin was hired. Dumbledore summoned Sirius to Hogwarts and he knew that upon doing so, The Dementors would follow. Remus Lupin is one of a few people who can conjure a Full Patronus and, certainly, the only one Dumbledore trusted aside from Snape (Hell, given Dumbledore's reaction to Snape conjuring a Patronus in Book 7, he might not have actually known Snape could do that). With the inevitability of Dementors being stationed at Hogwarts during this year, he needed someone who could protect Harry from them and teach Harry to protect himself. So, to recap, Remus and Sirius were summoned to Hogwarts during Harry's Third Year to force Peter Pettigrew to show himself and expose Harry to the truth behind his parents' deaths. Lupin was also brought in to counter The Dementors that were sure to follow Sirius. Sirius, like Lupin, also had a second purpose: He was Harry's backup in case Lupin went full Werewolf. Unlike Lupin, I also believe Sirius had a third purpose for Dumbledore that coincides with the timing of his breakout. With everything escalating and coming to a head, with Harry inching ever closer to his destiny, and with the Ministry becoming increasingly inept, Dumbledore needed to prepare for war. Albus Dumbledore needed The Order of The Phoenix. Grimmauld Place was its Headquarters. And they couldn't access it without Sirius Black. So, for The Order of The Phoenix to re-convene and re-activate, Dumbledore needed Sirius Black free from Azkaban. So I will end with this: If this is all true, then it is supremely ironic. Like, the epitome of irony. Why do I say that? Because if all of this is true, Albus Dumbledore caused the resurrection of Voldemort. If Peter Pettigrew had not been forced to reveal himself during Harry's third year, it is entirely possible Voldemort would not have come back. And, yes, I have proof of this. Professor Sybil Trelawney actually makes a legit Prophecy when Harry returns a crystal ball to her after class in Prisoner of Azkaban that states that Pettigrew would be revealed as the true betrayer of The Potters and that he and Voldemort would be reunited for the first time since the Potters' deaths. And, as we all know, it is that reunion that would, ultimately, lead to Voldemort's return in Goblet of Fire. And so the ultimate irony is that the one Prophecy that Dumbledore DIDN'T know about is the one warning that Dumbledore's plan to reveal the truth to Harry would invariably and inevitably lead to the one thing he was trying to avoid: The Return of Lord Voldemort. I apologize for the length of this comment. I didn't think it would get this long. But, I guess, in the end, if your theory about Dumbledore's manipulation of Harry's life from the moment of his parents' deaths and my addendum to your theory are true, then, everything that happened after Prisoner of Azkaban, all of those deaths, are on Dumbledore's head because, according to Sybil Trelawney's Last Prophecy (that we know of), Albus Dumbledore was the direct root cause of Voldemort's Return. And, as was stated in the books, Trelawney's actual legit Prophecies are never wrong. If you've made it to the end, I'll just say keep up the great content!

[@iswearillchangemynamesoon]

man this sure was a long comment

[@benedeknagy4817]

I've never read a comment this long and enjoyed it the same time 😅 A good way of thinking, you have!

[@briansprinkle7855]

Too long??? No way! I'll be looking for more of your theories on the series, this one was about as sound as it gets! BRAVO!

[@h.p.2611]

Except why then would Sirius ask Harry to live with him at the end of both the book and movie, and also if he willingly stayed in Azkaban why would he be fighting Remus and harry for the chance to kill Pettigrew after having wasted 12 years for a crime he didn't commit. Your theory sounds good without all of the context but you have to consider that canonically speaking Sirius did rot and was furious that he was stuck in Azkaban while the man who murdered not only (at least) 12 strangers at the time but also two of his best friends was simply hiding away never facing the consequences. Sirius's personality would not allow for him to be Dumbledore's dog (pun not intended) He as a Gryffindor (especially as the sole Gryffindor in a family of Slytherins) and as a Marauder would sooner have died than allow his godson to be physically and emotionally abused for 12 years for some vague idea of "the greater good". Tl;Dr: Your theory cannot work when taking canon into consideration because what you are theorizing is completely out of character for Sirius whose Gryffindor traits and close relationship to James and Lily would not have allowed for the behavior your describing. This could work as a canon shifted fanfic plot point but not as a possibility in the true canon.

[@ForeverDegenerate]

@@h.p.2611 Then give me one good reason why Sirius Black did not immediately walk out of Azkaban. Given the fact that he could have done just that AT ANY TIME, the ONLY conclusion we can draw is that he WILLINGLY stayed in Azkaban. And the ONLY person who would have been able to convince him to willingly stay in Azkaban was Albus Dumbledore. The Bargaining Chip? Harry himself. Again, if you actually read my theory, I never said Sirius stayed in Azkaban for Albus. He stayed in Azkaban for Harry. "The Greater Good" had nothing to do with why Sirius would allow Harry to live with the Dursleys. The Love Shield is the reason why Sirius allowed Harry to remain with the Dursleys until he was old enough. The same reason he capitulated to Dumbledore is the same reason he allowed Harry to remain with the Dursleys. Because Harry was far, FAR, safer with the Durselys than anywhere else in the world. That and he trusted Dumbledore to make sure Harry wasn't super abused. Which Dumbledore did. Remember, Dumbeldore actively kept watch over Harry and the Durselys and constantly kept Petunia in check. He never once allowed Petunia to cross the line when it came to Harry. You ask why did Sirius Black ask Harry to live with him? Because Harry was no longer a child. Because Harry was a very capable and powerful Wizard. Because, by Sirius' estimation, Harry no longer needed the protection of the Love Shield. Sirius would have felt that he, along with the Order of The Phoenix, and Harry himself would be able to protect Harry. Also because Sirius is, if nothing else, selfish, arrogant, and reckless. As I stated in my theory, this behavior is EXACTLY why Albus Dumbledore convinced Sirius Black to remain in Azkaban for 12 years. You also ask why Sirius would be so eager and adamant about killing Peter Pettigrew quickly? Exactly for the reason you stated. Because he spent 12 Years in Azakaban for Peter's crimes. But more importantly because he did so WILLINGLY. As far as Sirius is concerned, vengeance upon Peter was his due reward for willingly staying in Azkaban for 12 long years.

[@russv4753]

I still would love to see an alternative version where Sirius was let out of Azkaban and allowed to father Harry, would be interesting to see the differences

[@Hello-cy9er]

Hey HP Theory, this isn't a complaint at all I love your videos but it would be so much better if it wasn't the repetitive zoom into picture all the time. Using other methods of editing would make your videos less repetitive and WAY more enjoyable.

[@alexia__d31]

i love the repetitive zoom

[@asherpikesgoldenmoralcinem5770]

Finn motion in a video is key in keeping the casual viewers interest

[@ebairdy]

i like it

[@johnwest6690]

Yeah it's annoying. Sometimes blatantly obnoxious. Using clips from the movie might be better, or something.

[@fryartuck24]

@@johnwest6690 I think using clips from the movies would mean extra costs - those movie studios won't just let someone use them no charge, and the studios will act to have the videos pulled from KZbin. While the content creator might be getting some money from the videos I doubt that it's a money making endeavor

[@inazuma3gou]

2:42 "Sirius should have taken his situation very Sirius-ly" indeed

[@DarkIFaith]

I think Sirius just snapped when he realized what Pettigrew did. He lost his mind out of guilt, shock, trauma and disbelief. He even laughs. He doesn’t demand a trial, doesn’t argue, doesn’t reveal anything because I think he has a psychological breakdown when Peter killed the muggles and framed him. He wouldn’t break out of this until he spots Peter in the Weasley photo. I don’t think Dumbledore knew, he’s not perfect!

[@Tombud-ti7gn]

I think that part of this decision of dumbledore could be because he detected some moles or curruption in the ministry. Sirias given no trial for azkaban seems very shifty to me. Wither ministors were blackmailed or in on the death eaters, we might never know.

[@jonday8464]

This was a fantastic, well reasoned analysis. I have been waiting for folks to take a deeper, more mature and complex look into the Harry Potter series, there are so many fun loose threads. Regardless if Rowling thought every detail through, it is pure joy to see you connect these dots and uncover so many brilliant unexplored corners of the Potter Story.

[@hayomoto]

Dumbledore himself said that he didn't know Sirius was innocent. Sirius was known as the secret keeper so there was no reason for anyone to doubt his guilt. His trial was carried out by Barty Crouch Sr, who was infamous at the time for sending people to Azkaban without trials, it was not unusual.

[@ivans1308]

Cmon why base your reasoning on facts when you can just make things up just to do pathetic video

[@willdavis3802]

He said a lot of things that turned out to be just lies.

[@Finians_Mancave]

The problem with this theory IMO is that it even if Sirius was released, it seems unlikely Dumbledore wouldn't tell Sirius that only by living with the Dursleys does Harry have protection from Voldemort. And once told this, I can't see Sirius willfully trying to remove Harry from that protection. No, I think the simpler explanation is that Dumbledore just assumed Sirius was guilty.

[@juliz2500]

Thank you.

[@realmdarkness]

Yeah, even his best friend Remus thought he was guilty

[@darkart-mr8wu]

No he knew he was a General after all and for the greater good he did let people die AND some to rot THAT is war.

[@gabri_cheesellamasneeze9006]

It also allowed Harry to fall in love with the wizarding world even more. If he had lived in a loving environment and grown up in the wizarding world, he may have become more like Draco: arrogant and taking magic for granted.

[@link27823]

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure about that.

[@attilaliptak1544]

They could have just checked out what spell he used last when they detained him at the murder scene. Also how could anyone find the house in Godrick's Hallow if Peter was the secretkeeper and nobody knew that so he didn't tell anyone but Voldemort. Hagrid even mentions it that Sirius gave him his motorcycle on which he transported Harry to the Dursleys. There are a few plot holes and Dumbledore knew 100% what happened.

[@alejandrac.2652]

I think we ought to remember when this all happened, Voldemort had just disappeared, the Minister did not care for the truth, just to get it all over with. Also, Sirius could have asked Dumbledore to vouch for his innocence or even to have escaped before he ever knew where Petigrew was, but my answer as to why did he chose Azkaban is far simpler: he did feel guilty, he did think it was because of him that his best friend had died. I think we are also forgetting who Sirius was, he came from a pure blood family and he hated that fact, he also feelt a little insecure for it (remember Snape's memories of their first encounter, Sirius unwillingness to be a Slytherin). He might have always felt a little guilty for who he was, and that mistake with the Potters just confirmed what could have been his worst fear.

[@הלנה-ד8ה]

*read the title* "Hmmm that sound familiar..." Remember every Dumbledore bashing story I ever read

[@heirofslytherin9808]

Same

[@dianmauliza1907]

Same

[@drakeasher7799]

Y'all need to chill

[@Dryadkal]

I think Rowlings writing doesn't hold up when challenged with some critical thought. It all becomes a plot hole cheese swirl The protection charm stops when Harry becomes 17, so a man. 17 is simply a law used in the wizarding world. Biologically a 17 year old is still very much growing up, physically and emotionally. Very nice of such old magic to take legality into account. Then with that same spirit, family is not just blood, but also what you choose. The wizard world seems to have a thing with godparents? With what we know of the next generation it is godparents galore! It is perfectly legal and acceptable to appoint a non related person as a back up parent in case the real parents die. So Sirius can be reckonised as actual family, and thus Harry could have been save with him as he was supposedly with Petunia. Lilys magic needed her sisters blood to survive but what aunt starves her nephew, cuts his hair with hedge scissors, allows him to be beaten, bullied, locked up in a small space for months, etc. Such abuse would be national headline and outcry of horror if real. In Rowlings world of love is the strongest force, Lilys charm would be dead and void. Just because Harrt was allowed 2 meters of cupboard space to exist in doesn't make it loving or home. Lily and James chose Sirius as legal guardian. The charm takes the magic legal age in account for how long it exists. Sirius could have been reckonised by the charm as Harrys family, as Lily chose Sirius as well as godfather, for her love for him and Sirius's love for Harry. When JK took up her worldbuilding she, just, wasn't consistent with anything. Took up magic deus ex machinas that actually poked holes into the story. Timeturners, proving truths in magical trials, etc. Its after all these years still completely beyond me what staying with the Dursleys accomplished. K, granted for sake of argument he was safe from voldemort there.But Dumbledore also wanted Harry humble I guess? Harry had to be humble, k, How Harry could be so humble if coming from an abusive family, rather than what he would have been, antisocial from severe abuse in his formatting years. Extreme Trauma like Harry faced as baby, lack of love and bonding, and severe neglect and abuse in early childhood stunts development, and breeds antisocial, violent disorders. Harry didn't have a common sheltered life. It's pretty unique to be so abused like harry was. It's just a neat unique plot thing, a boy in the cupboard under the stairs gets rescued to a magical world! Its fun! Its fantasy, it works! Why the whole plot finale ootp could have been avoided if Dumbledore simply slid Harry a note with how Voldemort would trick Harry therefor learn occlumency? He wouldn't have needed to look Harry in the eyes for that if he feared Voldemort spying through Harry? Or let Sirius tell Harry, or Mcgonnagol? No big actionscenes, no set up for the prophecy, tension and a gutpunch for shock value with Sirius's murder. So, say nothing at all. Cause an epic end fight a book needs couldn't be set up any other way apparently.... I love HP. Im obsessed. Its just not so good writing.

[@rjds3204]

If anyone don’t know Harry Potter and the philosopher stone re-released in China and it just crossed the Billion dollars!...this is one franchise that won’t ever die!

[@MsGGTTHH]

Damn man!! Im a french Harry Potter fan and I keep having your videos in recommandation, but I never made the step until now. And wow, this theory suits so well the HP universe, everything corresponds, and I really see the caracter of Dumbledore acting like this. The work behind the video is huge! I'll definitely dig deeper into your channel now.

[@alexstewie8301]

There is a theory that states that JKR made cheering charms an important part of that book. Peater hit him with a powerful cheering charm be for the explosion and thats why hes laughing so much

[@CrazyMe687]

wait a second, if dumbledore was an acomplished legilimens then snape was able to delay even the greatest wizard of our times? I mean Dumbledore asked "Lily? After all this time?" so does this means that severus oclumency was perfectly capable of not only fool one of the greatest dark wizards but as well keep secret of his own emotions and true purposes of another great wizard? Snape is lit!

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

This is a big reason why Dumbledore used Snape as his double agent. Voldemort was also a highly accomplished Legilimens so if you were to have a double agent by him he had better be a talented enough Occlumens that not even Dumbledore could get through. We know Slughorn was also a talented enough Occlumens to ward off Dumbledore, that's why he needed Harry to get him to just agree to give up that memory willingly. I think a highly talented Occlumens can shut down even the best Legilimens

[@usmanmajid7837]

Lol people don’t understand how powerful Snape really was!

[@vanguardRailgun924]

Usman Majid Snape is probably the most powerful wizard period as he had probably fought both the greatest good wizard and dark wizard of all time and was only killed when taken by surprise. Not to mention he was a step ahead almost everyone in any given situation. He’s invented spells and potions of his own creation that only he (and later a few others) have knowledge of. Not to mention his several other accomplishments.

[@drakeasher7799]

@@vanguardRailgun924 nope Snape is not in the same league as dumbledore

[@ggjna5769]

@@drakeasher7799 No that's right Snape is much powerfuller then Dumbledore.

[@SudhuSundar]

Dumbledore a legilimen, who didn't know that peter was betraying them with the Order. Peter is far more less than Kreacher, if he felt caught he would have told everything.... its odd for Dumbledore to not identify peter as the vermin....

[@annacimorelli1214]

Wait I didn’t even about this oh my god

[@freakindamnshiki]

i don't think you can learn about the secret keeper spell with only legilimen... it is a stupid powerfull spell, he could susppect or even get a hit but legiliman is not like reading minds 24/7, and tbh here i don't think Dumbledore would pass that much time with wormtail to even have that thought of reading his mind, and that is what makes peter the perfect traitor, he's so weak no one thinks about him, he's only there because of the other 3

[@izzy8246]

please.i don't think dumbledore knew peter that much at all or barely had any conversation with him. those years were brutal,death eaters and voldemort were the strongest during the first wizarding war and I know dumbledore had his hands full.

[@apratimtewari4288]

I think Dumbledore also had some sort of grudge against Sirius. As we know he was one of the 2 people(along with James Potter) that wholeheartedly bullied snape. Snape was an amazing and powerful wizard, more than Sirius or James could ever be. And we also know that Dumbledore had also grown very attached to Snape and admired his bravery. Dumbledore probably thought that it was because of being bullied that Snape went wrong and joined the Dark side in the first place.

[@bartrien8468]

Doesn't excuse Snape's choice to join the dark side imo.

[@nunguyen6527]

​​@@bartrien8468He came from abusive family with a drunk father, is bullied 4-1 for many years, they even sexual harass him, take off his pant, and Sirius set a trap to use Remus to kill him, but all the teacher ignored that and continue protected Sirius and James. He went into the dark side at ege of 18, and the DE maybe his refuge because he have nowhere to go 😢 and mind you, at ege of 36, Sirius still never regret about the trap he set to kill Snape when he was 16, he said Snape deserve to be killed, he didn't care for Remus either, if Snape is dead, Remus can be excuted too.

[@mvmy6238]

Although I love Dumbledore, I do agree to this. The greater good principle has always been his way ever since he was introduced in the books (scene w/ McGonagal at 4 Privet Drive neighborhood) & as fleshed out later on. His ways may be less right-in-the-face as Grindelwald's, but the fact that he groomed a kid to be a sacrificial lamb w/o a choice, the possibility of letting Sirius rot in Azkaban for the same purpose is not far fetched at all, & rather fits the character of Dumbledore.

[@greglasseigne9493]

Even if Dubledore did use ligilimense on Sirius, Sirius was convinced the Potter's died because of him and I think Dumbledore would have seen that as proof that he betrayed them.

[@ajaimathew8745]

Dumbledore cleaning up his mess is the story of the books... Greatest wizard he may be

[@erickluviano981]

Interesting fact: regulus , Sirius’ brother, is named after a constellation with the same name (Sirius himself is named after a constellation) The constellation represents loyalty Which is perfect for his character Since he was loyal to the dark lord so much he gave his own servant (kreacher) to him But ironically, his loyalty was broken and he turned on his master and discovered his ultimate secret.

[@MsRizy]

As interesting as this theory is I disagree that Dumbledore believed Harry needed to be raised in harsh conditions. In the Half Blood Prince, when Dumbledore goes to pick up Harry, he is angered by the fact that the Dersleys were so terrible to Harry. Although you could argue that he changed his mind later given the fact that he says he cares so much about Harry but I digress. Still an interesting theory and could be true that Dumbledore had kept quiet to insure Harry's safety at the Dersleys. Please do not think that I am hating just giving some input I enjoyed the vid. =)

[@MsRizy]

This is what I mean by "ensure Harry's safety at the Dersleys"

[@MsRizy]

Whether he was raised by muggles or not is irrelevant. If he lived with the protection it would not matter if he was with muggles or wizards. Voldemort wouldnt be able to get to Harry either way.

[@MsRizy]

@@denizkenger52 dang you would be a good Voldemort lmao

[@christina1wilson]

Yes, Lily and Petunia were estranged, but I would guess that Dumbledore figured that Lily's death would make Petunia feel remorse for her "hatred" and remember the love she once had for her sister. And then, so as not to draw attention to the Dursleys, they didn't conduct wellness checks.

[@nurarihion]

On book one he claimed the main reason was to avoid fame corrupting harry, so he could grow a normal boy, later on book 5 he said it was because Lily's enchantment living on on her sister's blood would protect Harry against Voldemort more than anything. I don't think he expected the Dursley's to commit child abuse for 16 years, and by the time he understood this, the fact of Lily's protection outweighed the disadvantages, I think he did love Harry and worried about him.

[@ilovebutterstuff]

Whoa. That is just... Mind-blowing. I hadn't even thought of this before, but somehow during The Prisoner of Azkaban, I was thoroughly confused, and didn't really know why until I clicked on this.

[@zachwoolley6104]

This hypothesis is almost cold but I can see Dumbledore acting like this

[@monkeybandit222]

Zach Woolley he was always cold and warm when it was needed though, but I think this is a valid answer to why he wasn’t given a trial or set free

[@theduelist92]

Yes, of course, and Lily always refused Snape so he could be a spy in Voldemort's army, it was her masterplan all along. Seriously from a channel like this i expect a bit more solid logic and deduction, not random speculation, and even more annoying than this Sirius was NOT the only one to be sent to Azkaban without a trial. Yes, some Death Eaters got trials (we only really know of the trial to Crouch Jr and his comrades, and it was likely held because Crouch Jr; Ludo wasn't really a serious trial at all and Karkarof was already in Azkaban when he got summoned in front of the Wizengamot) but a lot of them didnt; Sirius specifically says to Harry Ron and Hermione, when he was talking about Crouch, "i wasn't the only one to be sentenced without a trial". But most importantly people seem to think stuff like Veritaserum and Legilimancy is 100% accurate as long as it's done properly, but it's actually NOT. Veritaserum has an antidote and doesn't really work if you give it to someone ready and fully awake, and Legilimancy can be deflected by Occlumancy pretty easily (we see Draco put serious obstacles in Snape's way after studying it for like 2 months at home with Bella and we know Dumbledore and Snape expect Harry to be able to stop Voldemort's inclusion with a few months of lessons) and most importantly of all both systems can be worked around so you dont even realize they are not working. People could fake drink Veritaserum / take an antidote prior / cast spells on themselves / just resist with mental strenght to nullify the effects of the truth potion and give you a false witness you assume to be 100% true, or could change theyr memories (prior or on the flight) to give you, again, false witness. People seem to think law is easy and dandy in the Wizarding World, but there are so many complications to it it becomes almost impossible to say if someone is telling the truth, and we just mentioned the counters to the most common arguments. Imperius curse (self inflicted, if it's even possible, or inflicted by someone), Confundus curse, Oblivion, there's so much shit we know about, imagine the shit we DONT know about. And even then Legilimancy, wich seems to be the most effective thing when performed by a wizard like Dumbledore, aint a proof. Even if Dumbledore's legilimancy is so powerful NO ONE can fuck around with it in any way shape or form only Dumbledore would know the truth and you cant leave the whole tribunal system in the hands of one man that can do whatever the fuck he wants. Besides all this, Dumbledore is not a perfect all knowing God; he suspected that there was a spy in the order and near the potters, and Sirius was a good candidate for that seing how his family was, and when all clues pointed to Sirius he probably just accepted it. It's a bit weird, yes, but to go as far as to say Dumbells knew it all along is some real conspiracy theory we have over here.

[@unLUCKY95]

One of my favourite things about the Harry Potter series is how we're led to believe that Dumbledore is this perfect, loving, all knowing hero who would never let any one come to harm, yet he's just as flawed as any one else and, while he is still genuinely a caring person who doesn't wish pain on any one, he is willing to do whatever it takes for the greater good. It made the story so much more interesting when we learned how much weight Dumbledore's power and wisdom put on his shoulders, he was the only one that could set things in motion to ensure Voldemort's defeat, and there was obvious confliction within him while he was dancing on the line of what was good and what was right. He's the best written character in the wizarding world by a mile.

[@mikewatts1533]

Caring??? I am calling BS. All he cared about were his manipulations. It was Albus who marked him as an equal, not Tom. He was more than willing to sacrifice an innocent if it meant he could "save" an evil person. Look at the set up of Harry and Ron. Over a decade of going to 9 & 3/4, then having to yell out about Muggles and 9 & 3/4. Just enough to attract the attention of an ill-informed child. Amazing, what a coincidence.

[@eunicezhang704]

Wait why couldn't one of the Potters make themselves a Secret keeper? Couldn't they just used say James Potter, for secret keeper and just stayed in the house protected by the Charm?

[@SolarBlyze]

See that's something i've wondered as well. Multiple people were hiding so what's stopping them from choosing one of the people hiding to be Secret Keeper? The only reason for it to be someone else would be so the Secret Keeper could tell someone the hiders location in the event that they were in danger. But ... this is a double edged sword as evidenced by Peter. In the Potters case it would've made far more sense to make either James or Lily the Secret Keeper. Then neither of them would've died. But of course then Harry wouldn't have become "the boy who lived" either. In which case neville would've been the "chosen one" according to the prophesy

[@prabhjot1986able]

The beginning of the book is the biggest flaw as james or lily not being the secret keeper sets things in motion. Also, Sirius wanting Peter to be the secret keeper is flawed too as one cannot be forced to tell the location when a fidelius charm is in place. So sirius being the keeper would be safe unless he was scared of the torture he might have to endure at the hands of Voldemort. The whole secret keeper concept just like the time turner concept is not well thought of.

[@BinuratheDarkLord]

Sirius thinking that it was a smart decision to make Peter the Secret Keeper is slightly out of character. I'd assume he'd be honoured to be James' Secret Keeper.

[@prabhjot1986able]

@Devansh Shah That is the point, isn't it? If Voldemort was coming for Sirius no matter what AND there is no way to force the location out of him then why is there a need to have Peter in the picture?

[@m.j.4443]

What if the fidelius (prob. from the latin trust/to trust only works if you; or in the this case the potters; cast it out on a friend/someone trusted to keep and hide the secret?

[@TheMidnightwolf15]

"He would never have been safe with Sirius" - I don't think that's true at all. Sirius came from an old, pureblood family, with powerful ancestral homes that more than likely would've had powerful protective charms on them, including probably the Fidelus charm. We saw how well protected Grimmauld Place was when it was used for Order meetings and as it's HQ in the fifth book. Surely if it wasn't a protected place, Dumbledore would not have allowed meetings there, considering how sensitive the meetings were. Plus Sirius was a powerful wizard in his own right, he would've been able to protect Harry quite easily I reckon. Also, how can we be sure that the Blood wards around the Dursley home actually worked? Constantly, Harry refers to Hogwart's as his home, he never calls Number 4 home, which surely then made the Blood wards non-functional since Harry never refers to Privet Drive as home? I'm actually really questioning that now.

[@xinhewang9719]

But just because he doesn't call it home doesn't mean he doesn't live there right? Home is defined as "the place where one lives permanently, especially as a member of a family or household", and school is technically not home even if an individual thinks of it as it is.

[@allout8033]

@@xinhewang9719 you can reverse that and say harry permanently lived at Hogwarts and temporarly went to number 4 just for 1-2 months.

[@xinhewang9719]

@@allout8033 smart

[@raknamedsune3417]

@@allout8033 yea but officially Harry lived with the Dursleys

[@mikewatts1533]

That Dungholehore was the true Dark Lord of the series. Tom was just a mad dog that needed to be put down. It was Albutt that marked Harry as an equal, not Tom. Tom marked him for death. Like a quote from Dune, "He who control the spice controls Arrakis." He, Albus, needed to control Harry so that he can control wizarding Britain. You have to ask yourself, "How many people did Albus NOT help?" Hagrid is the first to come to mind. He knew that he was innocent, but he did nothing for 50 years. WTF man.

[@alyncook7315]

Dumbledore may have assumed Sirius's guilt and his influence with the courts may have expidited his lack of trial. No, hear me out. Sirius was in the midst of a mental breakdown, he was consumed with guilt. Sirius was unable to think of anything beyond how he failed the Potters. To protect the Order of the Phoenix and keep any other secrets Sirius had coming to light as testimony, and with Legitimacy Dumbledore knew Sirius was as good as confessing. So Dumbledore let a procedural injustice happen and sent a guilt ridden innocent man to prison. FOR THE GREATER GOOD

[@vivideblois]

But that still implies that while he's good enough to be one of the best legilimens out there, which would require massive amount of practice and study, but never considered that someone in Sirius state of mind might not be all that reliable, and then carted him off to Azkaban without a trial, without using any other method of checking. Because Merlin forbid he get him an interrogation with Aurors he trusted like Mad Eye who was in the Order in case secrets were spilled to ascertain beyond doubt that he was indeed guilty. Or at the very least had those who heard any secrets swear unbreakable vows to not disclose them, he was Chief Warlock and was revered as a hero, he had the influence to get that authorized. Not to mention it was his duty to get people trials. He did nothing, which either shows (whichever you choose to believe) that he doesn't understand or has the ability to be a proper Chief Warlock but kept the position anyway or he did it on purpose. Personally since he openly tells Harry at the end of OotP that it was on his word that Sirius didn't get a trial, I agree with HPT.

[@drakeasher7799]

@@vivideblois dumbledore was more important than harry I mean Harry's character sucked

[@lauraeden6224]

Bentham’s “Greatest good for the greatest number” inevitably means that someone will be treated unjustly. Rowling clearly recognized this innate flaw in Utilitarianism which was the rallying cry of Dumbledore and Grindelwald leading up to the first Wizarding War where they parted ways but not, evidently, political philosophies. I think your position is very persuasive and, though it is horrifying to think that Dumbledore would knowingly allow Sirius to languish for 12 years in Azkaban, untried in a court of law and pronounced guilty on circumstantial evidence, it would have been in his mind a lesser evil than putting Harry, the “Boy Who Lived” in mortal danger if he was in fact destined to be the one prophesied to defeat Voldemort. Living with the Dursley’s kept Harry from becoming entitled and spoiled, allowing him to develop character and fortitude which he would need to meet his destiny and survive as well as the protection of living with his maternal aunt.

[@maximusmixed]

I only saw the movies and never read the books but while watching this type videos i can feel just a glimpse of the beautiful magic that we can know from Harry Potter series thanks to the passion, work and care that goes into these videos. I can just start to wonder about content of the books and it can't compre with the content of the movies. The movies are just the tip of the iceberg for what they have been reveling to us until now.

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

Theory: Why isn't Quidditch completely female dominated? Think about it, this a high speed semi contact sport that involves holding a broom between your legs. Do the guys use shield charms before the match to protect Voltorb and Electrode or something

[@JediLadyMisty]

Devansh Shah but unless it has an unbreakable charm on it if it breaks it could hurt worst than a kick there. I heard from a guy who’s brother had one and broke during a MMA tournament ghat he near heard a screech like the one from his brother before or since

[@Fred100159]

Using that logic, Polo should be female dominated as well. Ride a horse and then tell me how your balls feel. Or is it because they are on BROOMS that it should be female dominated? ... since obviously, brooms are female-based objects..... (nod, nod, wink, wink) content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1927306_1927313_1927329,00.html

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

@@Fred100159 I clicked that link and lol, although a saddle is softer than the handle of a broom so it would be easier to bounce around on it with. And you wouldn't have to choose which side to slide the boys around which sounds awfully precarious and uncomfortable to me

[@lesalondesinconnus1869]

Actually, there is a picture of the spell in the little green book on quidditch. I dont have it with me, but Here is a link for the image. images.app.goo.gl/gYV55cSqqHn722yA9

[@Mew_Stor]

I don’t think that Dumbledore was well aware of his innocence he might have a clue but he couldn’t proof it

[@christianponce4836]

Veritaserum

[@savannahbutler5973]

@@christianponce4836 you can get around that you know. Or alter your memories. Also the person can only give their truth. Say I told someone I saw a blue flamingo and they believed me. If questioned on their talk with me after taking the potion they would say "sav told me she saw a blue flamingo" and it would be truthful. Now if I took it they would know I lied. If they believed sirius was crazy maybe they cant use it or felt it was a waste because they already assumed his guilt. Based on what they saw and thinking he was their secret keeper.

[@abj1203]

Love the background music 🤟🏻👍🏻 Can I download it from somewhere?

[@darthnihil8697]

This theory is actually fantastic. I’m convinced it’s true because it makes so much sense, and is definitely in line with Dumbledore’s character. I like how you used ‘for the greater good’, Dumbledore and Grindewald’s motto when they were planning to take over the world.

[@garcardosotan6172]

They make it very clear in the books that no one knew that Pettigrew was the new Secret Keeper. Even Snape never found out as Pettigrew went directly to Voldemort with the information. Snape truly and utterly hated Black cause he thought BLACK WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF LILY!!! Seriously, it's all in the books. XD

[@nighthasfallen456]

What's interesting is that if Dumbledore was considered one of the 'bad guys', he would be seen as one of the greatest evil masterminds who ever lived, on par with Moriarty or Machiavelli. Morality is skewed by perspective.

[@badman477]

Lmaoo seriously, Dumbledore actively sought Morfin out in prison to get his memory and secure his release from Azkaban. Keep in mind, this was very difficult since Morfin’s memory was altered by Voldemort and he actively admitted to murdering the Riddles. Meanwhile, Sirius likely denied committing those crimes and yet Dumbledore didn’t do anything as he was sent to prison without a trial.

[@ladvargleinad7566]

He laughed in the beginning, and when he came to his senses, he might have already been in Azkaban, and/or confessed already, as he blamed himself for not realising Pettigrew' betrayal.

[@Marky11694]

A Lot of Flaws in That Theory especially that even if Sirius never went to Azkaban Harry would still have ended up at The Dursley’s as they were his only living Relatives and Dumbledore had no reason to let Sirius rot in Azkaban except for the fact he thought Sirius was Guilty

[@noneofyourbusiness4294]

The point of Sirius being Harry's godparent is precisely that Sirius takes him in, in case something happens to Lily and James. It's quite a common thing in parts of Europe, and trust is what we're looking for, not blood relation. I mean, the Dursleys were terrible as they were, already, but what kind of argument is "they're his only living relatives" supposed to be? You have the choice between a family friend of years and years, and between some crack addicts, who happen to drown puppies in their freetime. But they are blood related, so clearly the better choice, right?

[@pitaariel1920]

Sirius is my favorite character, but his story makes me so sad everytime I remember how he lived and how his life ended. Not related, but anyone else noticed that Dumbledore is clearly a Slytherin that asked the hat to be sorted into Griffindor? (The same as Harry)

[@missoona7130]

When talking about the whole secret keeper thing, I always thoght that it would have been actually much better idea to make the Longbottoms their secret keepers and vice verse. That way both boys would be safe and their secret keepers protected by each other They were all Order members and knew each other. Also they had the same goal, to protect Harry and Neville. Even if they weren't close they would have lost so much by betraying each other

[@DRAGGOFFICIAL]

The long bottoms have never heard the prophesy though, so why would they want to protect Harry alone of all the wizard children out there including their own?

[@missoona7130]

@@DRAGGOFFICIAL they did hear it. They went into hiding at first as well. Dumbledore knew the 'as seventh month dies' could mean both Harry and Neville (Neville is born 1 day before Harry) so they both heard that they were in danger. It only changed when Voldemort made his choice to go after Potters

[@zacklamotte6067]

This theory rests heavily on assumptions surrounding what Dumbledore truly thought about Trelawney’s prophecy. At the time, Dumbledore knew nothing of Voldemort’s horcruxes, so he couldn’t really know how important Harry was to the Wizarding World. Yes, he knew Harry would be at greater risk living with Sirius, but at the time he couldn’t have known Harry was that significant...idk, I absolutely love this theory, and it totally fits with Dumbledore’s machiavellian personality.

[@aryannagpaul4548]

Great Video. Wonderful content. My favourite KZbin channel!!

[@kadecoleman4104]

How am i just now realizing that the name of the wizarding worlds newspaper is a callback to the daily planet where Superman works lol. The daily prophet- the daily planet. How have I never noticed this before? And why the hell hasn’t anyone ever mentioned this before? I know I’m not the brightest patronus in the wand shop but am I really THAT dim to never have noticed that? That is absolutely ridiculous, someone out there after all of these years could’ve brought it up in passing and at least let me over hear it. Actually I think when the narrator said the name of the newspaper that’s the first time I’ve ever even heard the name of it? Strange. But also awesome as hell.

[@brittanygonzales3477]

Dumbledore thought that Sirius was still secret keeper since no one told that they switched to Pettigrew. Only a secret keeper could have revealed the location of the Potters. Wasn’t given a reason to suspect anyone else at the time. But.. Sirius really should have had a trial.

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

When I didn't think I could feel sadder about Sirius's life, this pops up.

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

Talented wizards have the ability to stop another wizard from reading their mind and breaking down their defenses. Sirius was known as one of the greatest wizards of his era. He would of been capable of holding off dumbledores attempt to enter his mind if he wanted. I also believe Dumbledore truly believed Sirius betrayed them and never wanted to see him again. They knew someone close had been giving information on the order. He like everyone else fell for the ploy. Dumbledore has been tricked a number of times throughout the book. Draco's ability to get deatheaters into hogwarts being one of the biggest. He also made assumptions and thought he was best in a few different portions of the book. Remember when he realized harry had a part of voldemorts soul. He cut off Harry from all communication and left him hanging. He even instructed harrys friends not to write harry. Later on he admitted he was wrong. Even the greatest of wizards can mistakes. This just shows how human dumbledore was.

[@felixcharles9773]

Dumbledore is honestly the reason for 90% of the problems after Voldemort was killed the first time

[@Migantos9989]

How so?

[@mehdi3871]

To be fair if it wasn't for dumbledore Voldemort would've won the second time

[@gugurupurasudaikirai7620]

@@mehdi3871 To be honest, if Harry didn't just happen to have the insane luck of hiding Snape's potion book right by the spot in that massive Room of Requirement where Ravenclaw's diadem was and remembered it a year later the plan would have failed. Sometimes I think Dumbledore gets a little too much credit

[@mehdi3871]

@@gugurupurasudaikirai7620 yeh true

[@johnwest6690]

No he wasn't. Without him Voldemort would have won.

[@chikowashere]

Completely right about Dumbledore knowingly wanting Harry to be raised by the abusive Dursleys to harden him up. McGonagall checked on him in the first book while she was a cat, so you know that she kept an eye on him over the years before he got to Hogwarts. And you know she'd tell Dumbledore about it, and Dumbledore looked the other way and made excuses EVERY time. Around then, Dumbledore only cared about his goals and what he had to do to stop Voldemort when he returned. So he let Sirius rot in hail for YEARS, because he wanted Harry to be raised by the Dursleys undisturbed. And I bet that he told Lupin something about it not being a good idea for Harry to be around a known werewolf. That's why he never looked him up either.

[@killianjones9078]

it is also possible that Dumbledore, being a powerful and skilled Legilemens, would also have been able to discover that Pettigrew was the traitor in the order, if so, he could have convinced Sirius Black to talk the Potters into making Pettigrew their secret keeper, knowing that Pettigrew would betray them, getting them killed, which would allow him to place Sirius Black into the position to be framed for their betrayals, and the murders of 12 muggles and Pettigrew. Granting him uncontested control and influence over Harry Potter. One of the two possible children of prophesy. The other being Neville Longbottom, and since Pettigrew betrayed the locations of the Longbottoms to Voldemort, which allowed them to be tortured into insanity by Bellatrix Lestrange. Leaving Neville alone and undefended except for his very old grandmother and distant aunts and uncles, all of whom were firm followers of Dumbledore, making them easily manipulated, giving him control and influence over Neville Longbottom as well. if so, he was stacking the two possible deck of cards in his favour no matter which it was that was the true chosen of the prophesy. If this is true, it would mean that, regardless of his reasons, Dumbledore is in fact a truly dark and evil character, even if all his evil is done for the "Greater Good".

[@saumyaagarwal]

Mind blogging analysis

[@connorross4571]

I feel like Dumbledore was wrong to allow Sirius to stay in prison.

[@karlbergen6826]

I agree. The ends do NOT justify the meabs

[@walmartpikachu6984]

I'm SURE he was wrong, but my opinion doesn't count

[@oliviatagoeduring]

the thing with dumbledore is that he knew that a lot of things he did were wrong, but he also knew that they would be crucial for the defeat of lord voldemort. he obviously never enjoyed doing bad things but sometimes bad things need to happen in order for the overall end result to be a success. dumbledore did a lot of wrong things for the right reasons and they were so devastatingly necessary a lot of the time. he was a smart man, he was undeniably cruel to harry because he had the entire world’s best interests at heart, but he couldn’t tell anybody until snape at the very end.

[@drakeasher7799]

@@oliviatagoeduring he wasn't cruel to harry tf he was mentoring him

[@oliviatagoeduring]

Drake Asher it was cruel but necessary. he did care for harry and his well-being but he did have to lie and keep him in the dark about things that centred around him. he did what he did to ensure voldemort’s defeat.

[@deveryshepardson3640]

After watching the video I remember how perfect that Sir Richard Harris was for the role of Dumbledore. He had the twinkle in the eye and fits the book description so well. Michael Gambon was a lot more gruff and less graceful than Dumbledore but did a remarkable job of making the role his own. It was kind of like Gandalf the Grey transformed into Gandalf the White which was a truly different character within the same vessel, but with Dumbledore it’s one character two vessels.

[@garcardosotan6172]

Besides the fact that Gambon was a terrible Dumbledore, and was more like Gandault the Grey turning into Saruman, yea, you're right. XD Gambon's Dumbledore straight up attacks Harry after the Goblet spits his name out. The f*** makes him a good actor?

[@carolynrabbani6469]

I love this. I always thought Sirius got such a raw deal. Dumbledore showed mercy to Snape and gave him another chance, but not Sirius.

[@russiasgreatestspinmachine4096]

Snape was useful to him, Sirius was not, simple as that

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@russiasgreatestspinmachine4096 Sirius could have done what Snape did. Sirius would have been better as he would not have disliked Harry and mistreat him while also protecting him. Sirius would just be protecting him.

[@russiasgreatestspinmachine4096]

@@thecensoredmuscle563 Snape can be a spy, Sirius is literally the friend of James so that's a no no.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@russiasgreatestspinmachine4096 I'm talking about specifically protecting Harry Potter at hogwarts. But anyways Sirius could have been a spy as Pettigrew was a rat. We do not know if the death eaters thought that Sirius betrayed the potters. If they did than he could have been a spy, and got in with them. Of course he would still have to find Pettigrew and kill the guy. But if I recall in the books it was mentioned that Sirius was thought to be their next leader. So the ministry of Magics misinformation could have funny enough helped Sirius get in with the death eaters.

[@garcardosotan6172]

Dumbledore didn't know.

[@nicholsjonte]

Honestly I had this theory in my mind from day one, it's why I find it so maddening that Harry named one of his son's after both not only Albus Dumbledore himself but also Severus Snape?! Both men technically made Harry's life a living hell! If I was in Harry shoes I'll be thankful for what they did as far as the war effort goes to defeating Voldemort but after their deaths and the end of the war I would want nothing to do with either of them as what they did to him can cause PTSD! That's the equivalent of an Iraqi War veteran naming one of their sons or daughters after in Iraqi soldier who killed their comrades but then helped them do something to end the war faster but that person still killed a lot of their friends and comrades you don't forget something like that and then name one of your children after them! Like what the hell?!

[@zsalt2018]

Fanboy much Potter? I was livid reading that name in the book. I was appalled seeing Snape’s name there. I’m sorry, but if one teacher was being a dick to me for years, and then suddenly he’s the good guy. No, that doesn’t wanna make me name my child after him.

[@tessmoniques]

I totally agree with you. I forever will be on the "Snape is a villain" side, so his actions by no means justify his behavior. Snape did atrocious things! Dumbledore did wonderful things but has harmed soo many people to make those wins. At this point, I don't know if they are justified tho 🤔

[@Mozgokepmusic]

He should've name Albus, Wingardium Leviosa Potter, for the memory of the sadly passed Weasly twin... So antime a teacher would say his name stuff would start to levitate. Which honors Fred&George more than anything

[@zsalt2018]

Shovel Film Studios smh, opportunity missed. and it’s a much better name too..

[@hopefulnadjer4567]

In all honesty all the names of his kids were shit, instead of giving them their own identity he gave them someone else's.