Why Dune 2 will Win Best Picture

Dune Part 2 will sweep the Oscars next year. Here’s why. Please ignore that I pronounced ‘Denis Villeneuve’ in about 5 different ways….

[@Sure0Foot]

Chalamet's delivery during the conclave in the south was bloody magic. I found his charisma to be lacking up to that point...and I've become convinced that was on purpose.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Yes, absolutely. Paul is not meant to be a Lancelot figure. He is a modest boy turned ambitious king.

[@kleanish]

The post water of life scene with Jessic is in my top 5 favorite scenes of all time. The drastic change in demeanor, his eyes, subtle scoffing, and menancing prowess. My god

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

He's a boy of 15 before then and has to portray the inner conflicts of the book more visually. His performance was always building a contrast into Emperor Muad'dib

[@blugger]

I knew absolutely nothing about the cast going into the movie, as I largely am not interested in anything as much as the overall piece of art. I first thought they had cast him because he fit the "young heart-throb protagonist" archtype of actor, the kind you think is there moreso for being cute And then bam! I felt bamboozled, in only the best of ways

[@buglepong]

were viewers unfamiliar with Dune surprised by the "twist"? I read dune, so i wasnt surprised

[@1nvertedReality]

Having too much Hans Zimmer in a movie is perhaps the best problem you could hope for. LOL, cleaning coffee of monitors now.

[@carllove3705]

I loved this movie. I can't wait until the next Dune movie comes out in theaters.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Apparently Villeneuve is going to wait at least 3 years so the actors can age up a bit, and that should also give him more time rework the script. It’s going to be epic.

[@refulgent_fanta]

"Dune part 2 is exactly as long as it must be" I think Villeneuve said in an interview that there will be no Director's Cut. The theatrical version IS the director's cut and it is exactly what he wanted us to see.

[@jordonisawesome]

I do think that a director's cut would be beneficial for the Dune universe though, given the sheer breadth of scale that it has. I would have liked to have seen Paul's mentat ability and how that allows him to filtre his prescience. I would have also liked the inclusion of Hawat in Part 2 and how his role was pivotal in the gladiatorial games and later in plotting within the Harkonnen's court. That said, the cinematic cut is sufficient but a director's cut is more than welcomed.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Maybe Messiah will get one given how epic in scope it will need to be

[@panhardey]

i rewatched it in cinema and just after found this little gem here

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thanks for watching!

[@josehernandez6764]

It's still in cinemas?

[@SkyzzWalker]

wtf? They got rid of dune part 2 in my theaters like months ago….

[@The_GenXennial]

If studios and film maker took notes… they really could save cinema.

[@greasi_nugi1967]

Good movie but it was so devastating sitting in the theater slowly realizing that Thufir Hawat had been completely cut. Hawatheads such as myself lost big time in this movie 😔

[@Bangpath247]

they completely skip that Paul is trained as a Mentat.

[@josiahwoody186]

This is my favorite film of the year no doubt but I don't give fuck about the Oscars anymore😂😂

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Both the correct opinions 🕺🏻

[@mrzoinky5999]

One of the rare movies where within a week of watching it I had to watch it again , and again (normally I wait a year.). So many aspects of it were great.

[@Directorkey718]

One extra thing I liked about Lady Margot's segment was showing that THE VOICE can be used seductively in addition to all the aggressive uses we see in parts 1 & 2.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Good catch!

[@Jocjabes]

Dune mirrors how exactly geopolitics works now: Religion, technology, industrialization, colonization and war are all merely tools accessible to the powerful in their quest for dominance.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Spot on

[@wahn10]

Villeneuve is ruthlessly brilliant in his decisionmaking. He is both a true Dune fan and a master filmmaker. Bless the Maker and His Water.

[@Sakyn4]

I haven’t read the books but the actors, the storytelling, the pacing. It’s all excellently executed.

[@TheMrTact]

If you consider yourself a sci-fi fan you owe to yourself to at least read the original novel, "Dune". It is a masterpiece. Personally, I believe it to be the single best sci-fi novel ever written. It was only on my sixth reading (over the years) when I stopped finding new things in it.

[@Sakyn4]

@@TheMrTact I will absolutely read the books.

[@tylerpederson1894]

@@Sakyn4I’m on god emperor, lots of books are like rollercoasters, they build up the first half and are hard to put down in the second.

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

@@Sakyn4 I think you will be disappointed. The difference between them is night and day, and you will be disappointed in the films after reading them. How they got it so wrong is beyond me but they’ve turned the Fremen into some DEI-fest. Again the screenwriters have taken a great work(s) and ruined it. The Original Fremen were from North Africa and taken as slaves to various places in the Dune Galaxy planets. But if you know N Africa, then you’ll know that they don’t have black Africans there, or Egypt or Libya, or Tunisia or Morocco either.in addition , they have turned it into another females are stronger fest, and make out that their communities are run by acclimation, and it really wasn’t so. Do read the books but you’ll think much less of the films after you do.

[@Bangpath247]

@@Stevie-L-n8g but the weirdest part is, they made the 2 strongest female characters in the books weaker.

[@PeterLewisArt]

Excellent analysis. Couldn’t agree more. Looking forward to your next review.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thanks :)

[@anthonylaplantepaquin3053]

I went to see it 4 Times and wish i could have gone more. Everytime i liked it more and knowing i Will Never get to see it for the first Time again genuienly Makes me sad.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I know what you mean, but I’m hopeful that this film will inspire a ton of new filmmakers so follow in Villenueve’s footsteps

[@halfalligator6518]

It’s a cinematic triumph for sure. I’d even argue better than any epic fantasy/sci-fi yet. I’m still skeptical the Hollywood ivory tower will recognise a science fiction film for best picture. They basically had to for LOTR - ROTK just given the scale of the trilogy as a whole. Maybe they’ll award it after Messiah though I don’t know. Anyway… it’s just one award which to me is not important. I have a “shelf” system for films and Dune Is top shelf… whether some committee gives their limited one single film award to Dune doesn’t really bother me.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Agreed, infact that’s why I think the (hopeful) win is so interesting, because it’s not the sort of film recognised as worthy of the Best Picture anymore. Go back to the 1960s and its equivalent would be.

[@emilywilhite5807]

I saw it 3 times in IMAX and have now watched it 5 times at home. Finally a movie that has matched The Matrix and I now have 2 favorite movies.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Worth every penny

[@orik48]

why couldnt disney treat the star wars property like this

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Because they don’t believe in hard work

[@johaarup]

@@WrongIdeasChannel Or let true fans (like Dennis and his old dream of one day make a Dune movie + respecting the lore) work behind the camera.

[@recetasfaciles2816]

Well it's not like it has competition, at least till now. This we're my classmates and i discussing with My teacher and he has a point. You pick any of this five or ten last years' movies and put it against any of the 70s movies and they lose in comparison. Same with Dune. But yeah, probably it's gonna win this year, at least the academy it's still allergic to sci-fi movies

[@nickhtk6285]

I cant wait for Messiah and I hope it runs more like a stage play than an action film. Thanks for the thought provoking video.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thanks for watching :)

[@Talonsix2000]

In terms of pacing, I actually had the thought that this movie should have been split into 2 movies. And thus you could have added 20 min before and 20 min after re-uniting with Gurney. We needed the the romance to be made more meaningful, thus making the betrayal hurt more. And we needed the lead up to the final battle to raise the tension more.

[@gabrield.2543]

There is no betrayal...

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I think he means Paul announcing betrothal to Irulan

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I think you’re onto something there. 2 shorter movies with more buildup, for example explaining how they scout and ambush the mining crawlers.

[@dougf9900]

You could argue that the book should've been turned into 4 movies, given what else was cut. Gotta stop somewhere, and distill the plot down to the essence of it. The same complaint came up when the LoTR movies came out

[@Talonsix2000]

@@WrongIdeasChannel Yes exactly. Thank you for clarifying

[@davidcashin1894]

Really? I enjoyed Dune 2 and the cinematography and soundtrack was great, but it fell just a little short for me. Now that is probably because I read the novels in 1975, have seen the movies and series, so there was no suspense and tension, it was too fast. I never felt there was any threat from the antagonists. In the grand scheme it felt more like the set up for the future story lines.

[@MikePhilbin1966]

It would feel 'short' because it should have been a TEN PART MINI-SERIES Dune would be its own ten part, Dune 2 would be another ten part, Dune Messiah another ten parts. But it wouldn't be as good imho.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

The spectacle, as smartly done as it is, is a huge part of Dune Part 2, and breaking it up like that would make it look so much cheaper

[@blugger]

I felt the length of the first Dune, but never once in the second. The script was as compact as it could be. It was an experience I thought up again when the Lord of the Rings extended edition trilogy was rereleased in theaters this year, and I remember being grateful that the movies had NOT launched with the deleted scenes because *goddamn* were they unnecessary. The final cut was crisp and clean perfection. Kinda appropriate that two cinematic adaptation of two infamously wordy novels yielded such efficient writing!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I actually have to disagree with you there. I find it hard to go back to the theatrical cuts of LOTR because some of the deleted scenes add so much to the story. I think The Two Towers has the most unneeded guff added (Gimli’s post-Helm’s Deep scene is pointless and so is Pippin and Merry drinking the growth water). But Boromir’s flashback in Osgiliath is very moving, as is Theoden mourning his son (an unforgettable scene for me). Then in the Fellowship there is lots of added worldbuilding and landscape stuff which I just adore, even if it makes the story less tight as you say. But we do kinda need Saruman’s death scene so for me the extended version of Return of the King is essential. However I agree that for the most part the cinematic adaptions are insanely efficient in terms of what they achieve with the writing.

[@blugger]

@@WrongIdeasChannel eh, the only scenes I'd personally fight for 1.) The fellowship in mirkwood, especially the pairs of legolas & gimli and Aragorn & Boromir bonding (though the latter was perhaps a little long). More interesting for legolas and gimli, imo, as Boromir gets plenty of pathos later 2.) Boromir's victory of osgiliath, especially as an emotional touchstone after the climax of the fellowship of the ring and the catalyst of faramir's decision 3.) Saruman at the beginning of return of the king, because of international treasure Christopher Lee The scene itself, though seemed to set up redundancies, as Saruman trying to turn Theoden and Aragorn (Rohan and Gondor) against one another is established in a later scene in theoden's hall and reinforced during the scenes of the army mustering. (Also for WHY he's still distrustful of Gondor after fighting alongside Aragon, well we know that the steward is EXACTLY the kind of person that would leave others out to dry!) His insecurity about his legacy is also established when he tells eowyn that it was Aragon, son of arathon, that saved their people at helm's deep. That's all he needs to set up for the greatest charge of the trilogy. And the palantir just being there I thought was kinda like the ring just you an abandoning golum in the narration of the first movie.

[@qualityamvs2972]

Watched it twice in the cinema, should have watched it thrice actually i hope it is re released 5 years from now or somethinf

[@nilocblue]

A science fiction film has NEVER won Best Picture. I certainly hope Dune 2 changes that.

[@RcsN505]

The oscars are bogus, not really about quality so who cares

[@TimWayneSF]

Everything, Everywhere, All At Once won best picture last year.

[@andyhight9441]

And Dune Part Two is way better. Everything, Everywhere All At Once is a good movie, but didn't deserve to win best picture.

[@Jellybean-57]

You can really tell in this comment section who has the read the books and who hasn't lol. Everyone I know who has read the books and understands the bigger picture looooves the movies. Villeneuve is doing a fantastic job imo.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

You can tell they’re his favourite books…

[@thegodsrockstar]

One of if not the hardest books to recreate in movie form.

[@mrzoinky5999]

Never did read them, but I definitely looove these movies (Dune 2 is just somehow better than Dune 1). Better I guess because now the struggle to survive begins, and the tension with first contact with the fremen.

[@Bangpath247]

untrue. I hated Rebecca Ferguson's Jessica so much I almost didnt bother watching the second movie.

[@gregory2421]

I have a feeling Dune 2 won't win, they're going to end up giving the Oscar to him for the next film Dune Messiah like they did to Peter Jackson as a reward for an overall great trilogy

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Definitely their way of begrudgingly rewarding the epic storytelling that they seem to hate so much….if you make 3 films, they give in

[@motor4X4kombat]

dune messiah is not the best in the "paul duology" (they aren't 3 book so i can't say is a trilogy) but maybe denis could fine a way to make it more interesting than a long game of thrones episode.

[@buglepong]

It was long, yet it seemed not long enough. It seemed almost as if the narrative was unfolding more or less by numbers. I also question the writing changes on Chani. Visually it was remarkable, I liked the final battle with the worms.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Could have been longer, for sure. I would have liked just a bit more worldbuilding

[@Div303]

i think in that atmosphere i could sit for 7 hours! When it eneded u want more .

[@tmage23]

I think they changed Chani to make the theme of the story more explicit. It's easy to read the story as a straight hero's journey (which the Lynch movie does) instead of a warning about following charismatic leaders. Herbert actually wrote Dune: Messiah because he felt like the first book failed to adequately convey the theme. I fully agree about the length. Going from the Lisan al Gaib speech directly the the climactic battle was a bit jarring. . I would have liked a few scenes of the Harkonnen's being utterly annihilated by the unified Fremen army before the Emperor is forced to intervene.

[@TheStOne1]

I rewatched it 4 times in theater and I recently just watched a marathon of Part 1 and 2 together in 4K Blu-ray. Amazing experience.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

It is indeed

[@thebigtipowski]

I watched this in theaters 6-7 times

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Worth it

[@mii481]

Really? On purpose?

[@rocoe9019]

That's just sad!

[@thebigtipowski]

@@rocoe9019 thank you

[@thebigtipowski]

@@mii481 yup. One of the best cinematic experiences in the last 2 decades, maybe 3. Besides, I enjoy supporting my local theaters

[@varunshinde9301]

wow such an amazingly well thought out breakdown! Keep up the quality and keep going, you will make it big!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Very kind of you to say so. I will be uploading more

[@darkspectro2948]

An analysis video that’s actually an analysis, not a bunch of spoilers, nice job.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Cheers

[@RC-qf3mp]

Dune 2 will win best picture b/c the other movies sucked.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Also true. I’ve heard Furiosa was actually pretty good but to me it looks like a very expensive music video.

[@Bewar3them00n]

I’m well into double figures watching part 1, part 2 about 8 times now, I’ve yet to get bored of it, (which is something I’ve not experienced since a teenager watching Aliens twice the same day at the cinema, and over 100 times in total) Everything about it is virtually pitch perfect, the acting, the music, the visuals, the sets, the cinematography, the costume design. There’s something new to discover each time, your absolutely right about restraint compared to other sci-fi blockbusters, Oscar Isaac is the perfect example, his performances in Star Wars are total scenery chewing bombast, his Dune performance, nuanced, realistic, & believable.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

He was perfect as Leto. You don’t forget his example and his leadership going into Part 2

[@sdds50]

The fact that they didn’t release the imax aspect ratio on dvd is criminal. It’s a completely different movie with the extended screen real estate

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

True but who has the right kind of tv for imax format?

[@sdds50]

@@WrongIdeasChannelTrue but even on a “regular” tv you get an extended picture vertically.

[@thomasmaier1673]

A brilliantly executed rendition. The general brevity of many scenes/story-lines imposes a need, a charge to learn more, much more...

[@woozoos]

i agree it shouldve been a bit longer i hope messiah will take its time and have atleast a 3 hour runtime

[@PasserMontanus]

"Dune is not a franchise" - that's about to change, isn't it? Aren't they making two TV shows already?

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

It might become a franchise but nobody is going to watch the Dune spin off shows because of memberberries or mystery boxes - they will want to watch because these shows will have a similar vibe and quality to the films.

[@PasserMontanus]

@@WrongIdeasChannel Will they, though?

[@Rauruatreides]

There's only one TV show, and it's a distant prequel made by HBO.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

AND House of the Dragon season 1 was excellent apart from that one really crap girlboss moment. I haven’t started season 2 yet.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Well they’re not making ‘real housewives of Arrakeen’ yet so I’m hopeful

[@horseman217]

Fantastic breakdown of a brilliant movie. Thank you! Hope you are well

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Glad you liked both. Have a nice day

[@alexsmaxwell]

The fact that you only have 740 subs is criminal. You now have 741.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Haha, Thankyou!

[@namedperson1436]

Villaneuves only real flaw is his view on what characters say. Just as examples, in Blade Runner the most memorable scene is the "tears in rain" monologue, and in the thin red lines "only around people". Villaneuve is a masterful director who loves showing rather than telling the audience, but I often feel like I am missing out on these memorable quotes where a character can put out words that are worth remembering. And this is his style, he wants the composition to carry the story, I just think there is still room for both.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

That seems to be true, though he makes the dialogue sound incredibly punchy and weighty. And I actually think he handles exposition incredibly well. Similar to George Lucas who has admitted that he uses dialogue as a sort of sound effect. Though there is one line that I remember very clearly from Dune 2: “I don’t care if you believe, I believe.”

[@namedperson1436]

​@@WrongIdeasChannel Well, let me summarize it in Villaneuves own words. "I Don’t Remember Movies Because of a Good Line" and “Frankly, I Hate Dialogue. Dialogue Is For Theatre And Television". With that approach it is understandable that he takes the visual storytelling to another level, but imo cinema is about more than visual storytelling. Take another example like Ghost in the shell (not Villaneuve), the 2017 version is visually much better than the anime and also much longer, but it is much more hollow as they left out about 2 minutes of dialogue where the Kuze explains his desire to live and identity (say in the interrogation scene/when he is resurrected/summoned in a shell) and his early attempt to seek asylum at the diplomatic meeting. The questions he asks are what carries the entire plot and are what one remembers most, and in the real movie they just rip it out and make a 2 sentence summary in the end when it doesn't even matter to the plot anymore. But one can also circle back to Blade Runner where the original screen version had Harrison Ford do he "inner monologue" explaining the entire plot, which destroyed the entire movie. Ofc this depends on the movie, not all types of film have philosophical questions that need mono- or dialogues to lay out, but in films like Dune and Blade Runner the sci fi and power struggles are just stage props for the philosophical questions that lay underneath. So there is room for the one thing Villaneuve dreads most of all. ;)

[@buglepong]

not a huge fan of villeneuve's work, but i did love br2049. the quiet scenes in that movie did heavy lifting, where it failed in quite a few of his other works

[@richb8303]

I truly hope that Denis Villeneuve finishes Dune Messiah and then starts Rendezvous With Rama. A movie adaptation that Denis Villeneuve can and should do.

[@KrisCarter]

I dig the video but your audio mix is...less than ideal.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Yeah. I was too close to the mic and I’m still learning how to balance the levels

[@lotrrules]

You have a very good narration voice/style. Definitely deserve to become a lot more popular than 300+ subs! Subbed!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thanks. More on the way

[@mattsmuseum]

Hear, hear!

[@shaneashby5890]

I demand that the director releases all the deleted scenes. The fact that the director refuses to release all deleted scenes is outrageous.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

He probably actually deleted them, given what he’s said about his process….i hope it’s not true though. Part of the reason he can make stuff like this for under $200 million is that there isn’t a load of reshoots and faffing about with 5 different endings like you get with Marvel films

[@3enj4min82]

Algorithm came through BIG TIME. Can’t wait to see what else you come up with

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Up next is The Acolyte. Will probably be a controversial video, to be honest. Thanks for the nice comment 🌝

[@3enj4min82]

@@WrongIdeasChannel I’d love to see your thoughts on something like House of the Dragon, Fallout, The Boys/GenV, or even Berserk. I’m watching HOTD season one rn and the show does a great job of portraying an ineffectual and feeble leader that also wants to be a good parent, but acts too little too late. Writing is pretty good, dialogue has its ups and downs, imagery is chefs kiss

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Season 1 of HOTD is truly fantastic. I’ll be watching season 2 soon, don’t want to pay for more than one month of subscription and I prefer to binge it. I’ve also watched Fallout but I didn’t have much to say about it, it seemed competently made and kinda fun on a 1st watch, but there are some huge holes with the plot - the first inkling of weirdness I got was with Lucy’s vault’s reaction to the raiders - they should all be traumatised as hell. I guess that’s not the tone they were going for but to me it felt super off.

[@3enj4min82]

@@WrongIdeasChannel very fair. I still have a few more episodes of Fallout to go, so my opinion is still subject to change. I’ve always thought of the FO universe to go 100% on the absurdist nature to push the story. Sometimes that ends up making some really fun things. I’m almost done the first season of HOTD and honestly think it’s captured the peak energy from GoT seasons 2-4. The king, Rhaenyra, Alicent, and Daemon are amazing characters

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

It might win Best Picture but not Best Screenplay!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Seems fair

[@CreativeKeyman]

I've watched this movie about 7 times at home like a psycho. Love it!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

That’s the most I’ve heard so far! Sounds like the hype never goes down for some fans, always nice to see

[@3d1e00]

I really preferred part 1 from a story perspective. I think part 2 fell in to the same old problem of trying to portray real deep internal struggles in too short a time, but still really really good and this is nit picking. I just always feel like those transitions are best met with a end and a beginning (Part 2 > Part 3). Still though, they together sit in my top 3 now, I don't think we need a 3rd though.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Fair enough, I think a 3rd movie could be brilliant as long as he brings in some new characters. I have never read that book but we’d need some more morally acceptable people to root for - it can’t all just be morally deprecated megalomaniacs.

[@3d1e00]

@@WrongIdeasChannel I'm interested for sure. Wonder if they will go to the gene memory thing or whatever it was called. But would kinda like a different universe too.

[@demris15]

Great points, Dune 2 was amazing albeit a little confusing at the end. I had a hard time grasping where things were taking place. I really hope this level of storytelling is used in the upcoming Harry Potter series on HBO. I get chills just thinking about it

[@MikePhilbin1966]

It is interesting that the HELLO GRANDFATHER scene (where Paul sticks Baron like a pig) was one of the alternative futures from the book that Paul never fore-saw himself doing. So, what does this VAST CHANGE imply for incoming Dune Messiah?

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I haven’t read Dune Messiah yet, I can only imagine it’s going to be much more controversial than Dune Part 2 for one audience (Dune fans) or another (regular movie goers)

[@zserbs2326]

Considering how messy and poorly structured the book is, I believe they will make multiple changes and perhaps let this work in canon as an alternative future vision come to light for Paul.

[@Rauruatreides]

​@zserbs2326 probably correct. The only stuff which is likely to stay the same are the themes, as well as the ending (since Villeneuve has stated that Messiah had one of his favorite endings ever).

[@zserbs2326]

@@Rauruatreides I recently re-read the book after Part 2 and feel it has good bones for a film script but feel they won’t follow much of plotting and character work the same as it’s way too on the nose with a lot of its themes. Chani is also setup in an alternate way right now too. Loved the ending too.

[@sibiris8474]

I honestly cant decide if the people in chat are 90% trolls or.. not?

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

It certainly seems that way…but all comments help the channel so 🌝

[@alanparsonsfan]

This was magnificent, and a worthy combination of sight, sound and insightul commentary worthy of the subject matter. Desert Power. Subscribed.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

What an excellent comment to receive

[@ayuubjama2777]

Kathleen Kennedy and Leslye Headland could learn from this masterpiece

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

If only…..They simply do not have the capacity for creativity

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Acolyte video coming next 🌞

[@motor4X4kombat]

in other time i would have say no since the academy is full of sell out, but since the academy right now is giving the oscar to the fan favorite movie right now (2022 with everything everywhere and 2023 with oppenhaimer) and not just a last minute oscar bait no one heard off. i think it has more changes now.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

They need to reward less pretentious picks because their viewership has tanked for mostly political reasons. Even the slap couldn’t save them.

[@Random_9]

To be fair, Paul's decision and the pacing of the second part is also quite compressed and fast-paced in the book

[@CATDHD]

Movie is not a book. If you are gonna compare those two, compare every aspect. For example, very little was explained about the key players and overall story was simplified. If you are not gonna compare them, then the part 2, a movie on its own, a sequel, should be able to stand on its own legs, and when you take that movie as it is, then there are problems that emerge like poor character development, pacing problem.

[@Snagabott]

It should. It won't. But it should.

[@sonnysantino7849]

Fantastic analysis!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thank you!

[@diyalectic52]

SPOILERS from the books: My only concern is how they depicted Chani at the end where she's upset about how the Fremen were being used by Jessica and then by Paul. Maybe I'm forgetting what happened in the books, but I remember that Chani supports Paul through everything, even if she's doubtful. Dune Messiah is a little bit of a mess but an integral part of the story is Paul's love for Chani and her place in his life. She remains the person who he can go to for peace and wisdom - this is where we see the value she brings to his life. Even if the producers let go of the other parts of the story, they wouldn't be able to bring back Duncan Idaho because Paul and Chani aren't together and Idaho is meant to be an example of how a ghola can become the real person for when Chani dies, and her death is also part (not the full) reason that he willingly walks out to the desert. Zendaya did too great a job of depicting absolute betrayal, confusion and hate on her face at the end. I can't see any version of events where movie-Chani forgives Paul.

[@Rauruatreides]

One thing I'll say is that Villneuve has compared Paul to Michael Corleone from the Godfather, and how he will have to struggle to "regain his soul" so to speak. Idk how it exactly will work, but he has stated he knows exactly how he wants to end it now, so we'll have to wait for Dune 3/Messiah to see for sure.

[@fasillimerick7394]

Zendaya never really pulled me out of the move (like Mila Kunis in that _Oz_ movie) but her face didn't have much dynamic range. I had my doubts about Chalamet as Paul, but he was quite good as it turned out. Zendaya expressed every emotion with great intensity, while Chalamet was able to maintain some nuance. Point being, she was was cast for some reasons outside the scope of her acting ability. Obviously, that happens all the time, but sometimes, directors can exert more control over who gets hired (Kubrick, and Nolen come to mind).

[@Forerunner42]

@@diyalectic52 I had the same concerns. But Paul in the movies does say (when talking about Chani) that she will understand and come back to his side, that he had “seen it”. So the movies do pronounce that she’ll return to him. But I agree that Chani could have been portrayed a little differently and with less outrage. It also took out one of THE BEST lines of the book, when Jessica comforts Chani at the end, saying “Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine-never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine-history will call us wives.”

[@IndieDude2100]

Can I please know the music playing at the 8 min mark? Shazam doesnt know

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

It’s ’The Valley’ by Nicholas Britell, from Andor, pitched down by 3 semitones. For some reason it passed copyright on my Andor video but not here.

[@SuldSin]

Sci fi rarely wins these awards

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

True, but if this film doesn’t win best picture we should throw out the Oscars entirely…

[@The06pascals]

The academy would give any small and highly unpopular politicial and / or social drama Best Picture over a well crafted science fiction epic, sad and pathetic but true. I'm not saying that every blockbuster should win Best Picture but Dune could or even should be a real exception since Lord of the Rings in 2003/4. We rarely see such well executed cinematic experiences like these and therefore it should be appreciated properly.

[@Dredd5000]

I was 8 times in cinema and regret not one second.

[@quarterpounderwithcheese3178]

it was *KINO*

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Quite so!

[@DDR131]

Great analysis. Denis Villeneuve is a great great artist. He is also very careful in using scale because he is saving something for the last movie. Because when Paul is the Emperor it has to be grand and also to show number of people for Holy War. The moment stayed with me is when Paul Atreides sits. He is terrifying and charismatic at the same time. Then and There I knew Timothée Chalamet is a genius actor.

[@JayzVeez]

Villeneuve needs to go all out with Dune Messiah. It needs to be epic and grand on a massive scale. A third movie equal to if not better than 1 and 2 will cement this trilogy of one of the all-time greats up there with LOTRs.

[@DDR131]

@@JayzVeez Yes. I just cannot wait for 2026.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

If it’s not at least 3 hours I’ll be salty

[@tiberiius]

It was a great movie. I love Denis Villeneuve's movies. I would agree the Water of Life scenes were a bit rushed. For me, it was his recovery that was too quick. No big deal though. I guess I would add that Christopher Walken wasn't the best choice. He seemed too much like himself.

[@Biomirth]

Both quite true.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

All I know him from is memes. That did hurt the casting a tiny bit, and I can see why it was an oversight on Denis’ part, but he played the role excellently

[@gszd55]

As someone immersed in the books I felt Villanueve on the same level for his regard and respect for the story. The movie is the work of a craftsman not just a tradesman.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Absolutely agree

[@pmcmva]

One of the best on the subject I've seen. Very well done. Much.... restraint.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Ah, Thankyou. Haha

[@georgelapointe52]

An eyelash from perfection.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Wonderfully put.

[@TheAbhi4188]

its not the stupid Star Wars of our generation, its the Lord of the Rings of our generation

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

When I said ‘Star Wars’ I meant A New Hope, which was mind-blowing when it came out in cinemas

[@stephaniemoore9122]

I hope so I hope Denis Timothee & Rebecca do also at least be nominated

[@Vecna08]

Rebecca????

[@somethingtojenga]

LOL 0:20 "CGI sludge" (uses a shot that might as well have been in Dune for the type and technical level of its CG and integration)

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I used that shot for the visual consistency. The Force Awakens does not have a huge problem with CGI sludge, especially in its first third, but Disney Star Wars as a whole most definitely is CGI sludge.

[@miguelcampos1460]

I watched 4 times in IMAX!!!! I couldn’t get enough!!

[@PeloquinDavid]

I never try to understand how Academy Awards decisions are made. So it won't surprise me if they hold off on the Best Picture or Best Director nods. (Even a failure to nominate for those two awards wouldn't shock me.) Indeed, as far as Dune goes, I suspect (with some sympathy) that it MAY still be seen as premature: the story hasn't yet been told in full (or at least as fully as the progressively ever weirder Dune universe of Frank Herbert's books allows). I expect the full tragic arc of at least Paul Atreides will need to be shown on film before we can collectively assess Villeneuve's Dune films. Both Parts 1 and 2 remain prologue...

[@MargoWatchesMovies]

This is the best blockbuster movie from a pure cinema standpoint since The Dark Knight. Love this movie

[@martinsevera7276]

How does this channel have only 594 subs??!! The script is flawless, the narrator utterly mesmerising (if it's AI there's no way of telling). Bravo!

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Why Thankyou. More to come shortly: The Acolyte, Game of Thrones and/or Halo next, then LotR, Arcane, Snowpiercer and who knows what else.

[@julianray]

Beautifully articulated. And done so with.... restraint. Thanks

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Hah, why Thankyou

[@johaarup]

Biggest restraint for me was the emperor scenes. I was expecting great halls for the emperor of the known universe, but instead a small garden and rooms from real locations in Italy and hungary. But it worked! (also a clever way to keep things within a budget)

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Very good observation. It made the Emperor feel more relatable and perhaps a bit weaker than you’d expect, which I can imagine was very intentional. If the Emperor was in some sort of grand hall then Paul deposing him would be cast in a less morally dubious light

[@arthurjames9807]

Always felt it was similar to the Wizard of Oz, you think this mythic figure is what’s at the end but it just turns out to be a guy, works with the cynicism of the whole story.

[@RIQs_World]

I am so glad REAL Science Fiction movies are making a come back

[@SHONSL]

This is an excellent breakdown! Thanks for making this.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Thanks for watching

[@charmedprince]

We need the 4 hour extended edition stat

[@TimWayneSF]

Good analysis. Solid reasoning.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Cheers!

[@mythiclore5508]

The same thing is sorely missing in novels, of late.

[@CATDHD]

If Dune were not treared like a franchise, then WB would not impose Prince and Princess of young generation (Chalamet and Zendaya) onto Villeneuve.

[@Rauruatreides]

You can maybe make the argument for Zendaya, but Chalamet was Villeneuve's only pick for Paul.

[@CATDHD]

@@Rauruatreides i dont know. He did say just after that scene with the Reverand mother he could breathe. Chalamet has good connections in Hollywood.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

At the end of the day the game has to be played. Chalamet is perfect casting for a ‘boy emperor’. Zendaya was no doubt chosen for her social media clout more than anything (Sophie Turner also got many non-GoT roles this way).

[@CATDHD]

@@WrongIdeasChannel yeah, you are right

[@alexprinsrealestateagent1263]

I wasn’t a huge fan of Part 1. The score really took me out of the movie, and the pacing dragged. However, Part 2 is a masterpiece. This truly is the Empire of our generation. Can’t wait to see what he does with Messiah. I’m sure the story with have to change a bit to make a little more commercial for audiences. I’m here for it tho.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I think Dune part 1 is made much better by the way Villeneuve absolutely smashed it with part 2. Agree about the soundtrack - there is just too much of it and if you’re not watching in an imax it can be noticeable

[@Rauruatreides]

Idk if it WILL, but i certainly hope it does. If Return of the King (a somewhat flawed, albeit still amazing movie) can win, then maybe Dune 2 can.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Interested to hear what you think the flaws are - for me it’s the Eagles, the Army of the Dead and Saruman’s death being cut from the theatrical

[@johannesbjerkejannesson428]

Great video man! Keep em coming! Love the style, voice and length. Such good insights into all aspects of the film. Cant wait to follow you to 1000X amount of subs. You are the lisan al gaib of cinematic reviews! Cheers

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

An insanely nice comment to receive. Thankyou sir

[@Snacks-n5t]

Oscar Worthy ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✨💖Five Star 🌟

[@rizko9]

I don't think it will win best picture, but it will get nominated.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

If neither…we riot

[@Snagabott]

@@WrongIdeasChannel BR2049 should by all rights have won, but it didn't even get nominated... @_@

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

That is just stupidity.…I dread to know what actually ended up winning

[@Jdavid1976]

I am now 10 audiobooks deep into Dune and Villenueve made changes for the better in everything except Chaney. They "girl-bossed" her. And honestly I don't know how he can go forward without greatly deviating from the source material. Her character would have to do a 180 in attitude.

[@MikePhilbin1966]

It'll make for an interesting third film.

[@squamish4244]

He girl-bossed her for good reasons. First, just to get this out of the way, Herbert firmly established that Fremen women are also deadly warriors and a match for multiple Sardaukar. Second, as progressive as the book is for 1965, it still has only one woman with a major role. In the book Channi fades into the background, goes along with whatever Paul says and becomes, like a woman commented, "a piece of f*cking furniture". Girlboss = / = bad if done right. You're not complaining about the - what - six? - just plain bosses in this film. But more importantly, she is our POV character in the second half of the film. Once Paul drinks from the Water of Life, he becomes an unrecognizable demigod and also kind of an a**hole. The audience can't and doesn't want to see things from his perspective. Chani is the only character who knows him well besides Stilgar, Jessica and Gurney, and they are going to take Paul's side no matter what. While everyone else is blindly following Paul into the holy war, she's an effective counter to his vision. I found this to be a problem in the book as well - Paul became somewhat of an unrelatable and less interesting character once he went full cowbell with the prophet role. MINOR SPOILERS FOR DUNE MESSIAH If you have a fundamental problem with girlbosses, you are REALLY not going to like Alia. Denis will have to deviate massively from the source material to make Dune Messiah anyway. It is not cinematic and he will have to change a lot to make it interesting. The 2003 miniseries got around this problem by considering Dune Messiah and Children of Dune to be one story, which they really are, and combining them, and it worked out well. I also think Denis could use Chani to pull the same flip of POVs as this film, reversed. We first revisit Paul as a godlike kinda Space Hitler in Dune Messiah, and good luck getting us on his side then. The book was such a jarring shift of tone I was disgusted by Paul until he started to become sympathetic again in the second half after his blinding. So we might be seeing the story through Chani's eyes in the first half, and then Paul's in the second.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

As someone who hasn’t read Dune Messiah I can’t comment on how much it will have to deviate, but I don’t think she’s that much of a girlboss. She ends up being forced to resurrect Paul against her wishes and she has nothing to say when Paul seeks Irulan’s hand in marriage. She’s a good fighter but I would argue Paul is much better (look at the spice harvester ambush, Paul does most of the work defending her while she takes the shot - and Paul beats Feyd meaning he is basically the best at knife combat in the universe).

[@squamish4244]

@@WrongIdeasChannel It was a weird comment. Apparently any female character who is "tough girl who fights" is now a 'girlboss' and it is intended as a pejorative. But people who write like this see girlbosses everywhere. Dude bosses? Nary a comment.

[@janellelives5158]

@@squamish4244Right. There’s no reason for dudes like him to complain because Chani will end up back with Paul anyway. Paul’s visions of the Holy War in Part 1 show him and Chani together on Caladan. In Part 2 after taking the water of life Paul says she’ll come to understand. Denis Villeneuve has already proven he can write great female characters with movies like Sicario and Arrival. Yet they keep doubting his abilities.

[@tomjehovahswitness4200]

My small nitpick with the second movie, is that the music was too quiet.. especially in the harkonnen arena, the music was just a hum.. listen to the spotify OST and you see on what you missed.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

There are many great tracks which didn’t make it into the soundtrack properly as well.

[@CaffeineAndMylanta]

I felt the audio balance was perfect in IMAX. Haven’t watched it at home yet

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I’m so glad I saw this in imax. Packed cinema and everyone agreed to shut up and let the movie speak for itself. In a cheaper crappier theatre later on these two troglodytes were talking. Always go for the premium experience with films like this.

[@fasillimerick7394]

Zendaya offered two emotions: nothing, and seething anger. Her eyes aren't dynamic enough to be able to convey subtlety. Over the course of two films she meets Paul, they fall in love, and at the end is hurt Paul agrees to marry the princess, but the impression I got was that she was peeved an auto repair was not covered under warranty.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

She’s definitely more suited to light-hearted stuff like Spideman but I didn’t find her acting distracting personally. Objectively she is probably the worst actor in the film though lol

[@stephaniemoore9122]

I agree she was the weakest there is no comparison bro her acting & Florence Pugh or Soarise Ronan. I don’t get it I guess ppl like her from when she was young yes she has a model body& yes she’s w/Tom Holland also over rated imo If it wasn’t for her stylist I don’t think she’d be as popular. Timothee out acted her in every scene Even when she slapped him too long a pause all she did was huff & puff & acted like a spoiled brat not like someone in love I was so happy when Lady Jessica silenced her I couldn’t take her screaming voice worst character in the moviev

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I think without Denis being a perfectionist she could have been allowed to put in a worse performance, but he brings everyone up. Nobody compares to Stillgar though, imo. Amazing character, amazing acting

[@PoppabearsCave]

I didn't feel any chemistry between chani and paul.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I think the actress for Shishkali would have made a better Chani that would be closer to the one from the books, but having her doubt his ascendancy was a good choice.

[@maidros85]

7:04 music from Andor 🥰

[@kevincarter2020]

Nicholas Britell

[@MR_Foffe]

6:35 music from Gladiator aswell (also composed by Hans)

[@MandoMonge]

I always have an issue recommending dune because part 1 is incredibly slow for the average movie goer, but once you watch part 2, many things click into place. I watched it during opening day on imax in the Middle East and you know the movie was good when not even once the locals didn’t pull out their phones (they usually go to the movies to open snapchat and do loud video calls)

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

I’m glad you managed to avoid that happening - and I’m glad our theatres aren’t so ‘enriched’ with the conversations of others yet. Dune needs a packed but silent theatre and it sounds like we both got one 🌝

[@hhattonaom9729]

looks like it wasn't even nominated. yikes.

[@garad123456]

What? The 2025 nominations are out?

[@Forerunner42]

I mean, that's to be expected considering no movies are nominated yet...

[@bncbcbbc31]

nominations are announced January 17th, not sure what you’re looking at

[@somethingtojenga]

Wrong Ideas: "Dune is exactly as long as it MUST be!" Another branching timeline where Denis Villeneuve cuts 40 shots: Wrong Ideas': "Dune is exactly as long as it MUST be!" Another branching timeline where Denis Villeneuve adds 20 more shots: Wrong Ideas": "Dune is exactly as long as it MUST be!"

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Long man bad?

[@Superjohnicusreturns]

What?

[@somethingtojenga]

@@Superjohnicusreturns People say 'this film is PERFECT, to cut anything or add anything would make it LESS PERFECT,' which is completely bullsh**. It's just idolization of a director.

[@somethingtojenga]

@@Superjohnicusreturns Don't get me wrong, I love Dune 2, but people love to objectify their subjective beliefs about creative media to reward themselves for their knowledge of it..

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Obviously nothing is perfect, this is taken for granted whenever anyone says ‘X is perfect’. Basic colloquial English

[@hendrsb33]

Yes, I suppose Denis does use much restraint in his filmmaking but I feel he absolutely, yet subtly, lets loose with what strategic, simple details he shows on the screen. Other filmmakers seem to think they must overwhelm the viewer with visually over-detailed worlds whereas Denis shows just enough for observant, thoughtful viewers to fill in the blanks. To me, DUNE feels old... yet new... otherworldly... yet Earthly. When the Herald of the Change lands on Caladan, I saw the Imperial ship as a futuristic Spanish galleon disembarking on a colonial shore. The Imperial representatives appeared as merchants, clergy, scribes and soldiers that inhabited the historic ships I've read about. In the city of Arrakeen, I saw ancient Egypt, in the Fremen sietches I saw the temples of Petra. Kaitain, the Imperial homeworld, stands out because its cool, foresty "green-ness" contrasts against the warm colors of Arrakis... and Geidi Prime is almost devoid of color. When the Harkonnens attacked the sietch, the birds they torched made me feel that the Fremen had a symbiotic relationship with both animals and the planetary environment. In the faces of the Fremen, I saw not just European faces but African and Middle Eastern... peoples of the deserts of Earth. Many of the extras looked as if they could've been cast from Bedouin, Afghani or other ethnic peoples of the world. I've heard complaints that the Fremen, Chani in particular, were always scowling and looking hard; there's truth to that but they are also pragmatic warrior survivalists who must contend with occupying oppressors and a desert ecosystem that will kill them if they're not careful. It's as if critics don't see the scenes when the Fremen are laughing or otherwise being themselves when they are free to be so. I know that sandworms don't exist but the sound design, coupled with the CG, made them feel absolutely real. In Part 1, there the sandworm chases Jessica and Paul onto the rocks, the sound department took the time to make us hear the thumping of worm's internal biological processes. When the worm turns away from them, we hear the sounds of its external skin plates reacting to the animal's movement. Denis is letting loose here, providing detail that makes that worm absolutely real. DUNE Parts 1 and 2 offer a lot to viewers if only they would stop to really look at it.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

That is a good point. The worlds shown so far in Dune feel very distinct from one another, far more distinct than some wacky overdone and overcrowded marvel planet. Thanks for watching.

[@davidpretorius]

I cannot agree more.

[@Leonhart_93]

Dune DESERVES the Best Picture award, but I am almost certain in won't receive it. It's probably considered far too "daring" in our current time where it doesn't push that many agendas like almost everything else.

[@johaarup]

I understand your cynicism. We've seen a lot this past decade. But I think Dune might see the same result as what happened to LOTR. First one got 4 oscars, The Two Towers only 2, and The Return of the King, a whopping eleven oscars. Celebrating the whole trilogy when it is finished.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

The Oscars have certain rules about casting and diversity etc that Dune 2 might have broken which make it ineligible for some awards. Which would be pretty infuriating. As a cinematic experience it just cannot be topped this year, and the Oscars should be about celebrating the best cinematic experiences…right?

[@Leonhart_93]

@johaarup Yup, I have seen too much to not be cynical about it at this point. @WrongIdeasChannel And YES, there are far too irrelevant many rules that have nothing to do with the quality of the movie, it's clear that the game is rigged now.

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Oppenheimer did win best picture for last did it not? I guess they could argue that being a period piece made it able to break the quotas

[@Leonhart_93]

​ @WrongIdeasChannel I suppose. There is some hope that they have learned from past mistakes and are trying to make a less biased judgement. I am hoping that's going to happen, but just not too much as there is not trust there 😅

[@clister.]

what happen with the rage comment of dune 2 lol

[@WrongIdeasChannel]

Something this beloved invites even more trolls

[@heroismexplained8197]

I believe everything this man said, because its exactly what I wanted to hear! Also, Dune 1 and 2 are my favorite film of all time. Denis deserves his Oscar, and so do Chalamet and Butler. Hopefully this movie sweeps the Oscars next year.