Why Dutch Women Changed Their Name To Peter

[@NameExplain]

Were you one of the people who changed their name to peter during this time?

[@L_T34]

no

[@maybeanonymous6846]

no

[@DaveSCameron]

Nein

[@anonymouse9992]

Yes

[@MattijnPlayz]

I am Dutch and completly missed this. I thought this episode would be about the Dutch female name Petra. Good for shining light on this!

[@jbird4478]

The name Peter is also mostly popular among more posh families in the Netherlands (what we call "kak"). It isn't just sexism, but also a matter of generational wealth.

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

I am dutch and I was not even aware of this but I suppose poshy dutch people are heavily disliked in the netherlands especially if they think they better than the supposed ordinary folk

[@travcollier]

@@GwainSagaFanChannel Dutch history seems interesting on that too. The whole "Protestant work ethic" thing combined with a highly legal/contract oriented system led to many folks being quite "business"/profit motivated. But at the same time, ostentatious displays of wealth or privilege are also traditionally seen as signs of poor character/morals. That contradiction (or built-in balance) led the Dutch to be extremely productive and influential culturally. The whole modern "western world" is pretty Dutch in several ways.

[@Will-bo7kg]

@@travcollier that seeming contradiction comes from Calvinism, which was one of the older Protestant sects being second to Lutherism my friend. It being quite popular in the Northern European merchant classes as it was all about delayed gratification (surfering today for a greater tomorrow), which makes sense for the Netherlands at that time. It being a small nation with limited natural advantages (such as resources, manpower, geographic defenses and etc) on the turbulent contenant.

[@Will-bo7kg]

I see you point but to undo that would be strike at what made the Dutch an unlikely success. That of delayed gratification which they inherited from Calvinism, which insists on surfering in the present for a better future. This naturally leads to generational wealth since children inherit the fortune of their ancestors but importantly keep the values needed to maintain/grow it unlike other cultures in the world today. This being particularly the case since many families with fortunes have a single heir rather than dividing it up. However removing such an attitude, which is what is required to get rid of generational wealth, would also make Dutch people far more individualist, short sighted and potentially hedonistic. Caring not for anything outside themselves, essentially transforming into their stereotype of the American 😂.

[@jochrivo]

I live in the Netherlands and I just want to point out that the name Peter is used by several (elder) women with the name ‘Petronella’, this is to make it shorter. Besides this I have never noticed this protest, but I fully support it.

[@quetzalcoatlqqqqqqqq]

Really? I have been living in the Netherlands my entire life, and I have never heard of elder women named Petronella calling themselves Peter before. I mean, Petra, yes, even Pietje at times, but Peter is a new one for me.

[@DaveSCameron]

@@quetzalcoatlqqqqqqqq I love the Flatlands and perhaps you were just off your trollies on Skunk and haven't met enough older ladies? 😎

[@Gordons1888]

As someone who supports it what do you expect to happen? If women are less likely to work in such fields then you aren't going to have as much women No one complains about the lack of female sanitation workers

[@Analdelrey69]

My moms name is petronella but everyone always called her penny

[@Jan_Koopman]

I'm Dutch and I hadn't heard of this protest. The media have been giving a lot of attention to the fact that there are few women at the top, though, and "Den Haag" (the government) is working on quota for having x amount of women at high positions. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal chances... which is why I am against such quota. Equal *chances* ≠ equal *representation* . Quota force companies to hire/promote candidates based upon (in this case) their gender, which is textbook sexism, because sexism works both ways. Yes, we should adress the issue, but reversing sexism doesn't solve sexism. Now, about the name Peter in The Netherlands: it is still considered a very standard name, which is why I had no idea it was losing popularity, but that may also be the exact reason for its decline in populatity. I used to have a stepfather named Peter. Fun guy.

[@PuzzledMonkey]

We've had affirmative action for white Christian men for a thousand years. Reducing your privilege to the point where you have to compete like everyone else is just equity, but it feels like a loss of rights.

[@Jan_Koopman]

@@PuzzledMonkey, as I said: equal rights is fine, but quota force you to perform sexism in the name of "equality". I stand by my point.

[@DaveSCameron]

Nein

[@VladimirDonkov]

Exactly. Quotas are a form of discrimination and they are bad for both the business and the society. Quota means hiring someone because of "diversity" and not because of better skills.

[@Jan_Koopman]

@@VladimirDonkov, good to see someone sensible

[@sdspivey]

Peter isn't just a man's name, it can be a rabbit's name also. The Netherlands have taken the Peter Principle to the max.

[@DaveSCameron]

And I've even heard of a Saint called Peter as well!

[@travismcnamara8919]

@@DaveSCameron He's also a rabbit. I saw a documentary produced by Matt Stone and Trey Parker on it.

[@DaveSCameron]

@@travismcnamara8919 Or "coney" as our Dutch kinsmen say?. 😊

[@thenerdkidchannel]

You should do “are there any Hamiltons left?” I’d be very interested in that.

[@communistcomrade1]

Yes. I'm a Hamilton. Video Unecessary.

[@EricaGamet]

1:38 So you could say the name kind of petered out, then? I'll show myself out.

[@Bacopa68]

This reminds me of Project Steve from the National Center for Science Education.

[@DaveSCameron]

Reminds me of Peter Cech, that brilliant goalkeeper for Chelsea a few years ago. 👍

[@JesseKuiper]

In 2007, there was a gathering of 62 people called Peter de Vries. De Vries is one of the most common family names in the Netherlands.

[@travcollier]

Changing name to protest? "I am Spartacus" ;)

[@smolbirb2]

I have noticed a good majority of my male superiors in various work places are called Mike, or Michael. I do appreciate that most of the places I have chosen to join have women in positions of power. I have found that if my work-place has a man in power, typically a middle class white man, I don't receive fair treatment there, and the work environment can be toxic. 2 of my favorite jobs so far had women in power, which allowed for me to be heard more often in the work place. This helped me with training new employees and participating in larger team tasks with out being belittled or ignored. I think because of this, I will continue to try to only apply for places that have women and others in a the social minority in charge. I don't have time to waste at a company with sexism or other forms of idiotic bigotry. My time is valuable. I'd rather have the ability to grow and learn in a workplace than just be a pretty face at a desk with no room for advancement. I applaud these people for taking a stand!

[@HalfEye79]

Women are underrepresented as CEOs? Okay, but there are many professions, where women also are underrepresented and very women even want that job. Construction worker, Waste canal cleaner and even software developer are exampes of this.

[@deldarel]

Software developer here. In college it was quite a hostile environment to women. I've seen many women as capable as the more capable men be belittled and objectified by students and teachers alike, and also weren't taken as seriously. When skill was equal, dropout rates were higher here. It's really important that we change this. With women in leadership positions in unis or companies women will actually be listened to by women in the position to make a change. So I'm completely on board. We need women in programming down the entire stack. I don't speak for the other jobs because I have no experience with them, but I imagine it's similar there: more women at the worker level requires more women in leadership positions too. More women all down the stack so female workers don't get harassed or ignored out of the field.

[@DamianYerrick]

Peter Pan sounds like an apt name for a leader in the Neverlands.

[@trien30]

I have seen someone from China whose last name happened to be Pan called himself Peter. Peter Pan is his name but people from China either chose names without ever learning the meaning behind the name just because "it's cool." Either that or the name was chosen/given by a teacher in English class.

[@skhabbythecrabby]

I really like the time your videos are released

[@trien30]

Pétros (Πέτρος) is "rock" in Greek, líthos (λίθος) is "stone" in Greek. The Dutch equivalent of Peter is Pieter.

[@gertvanderstraaten6352]

Ok, another Dutchie here who has never heard of this.

[@andrewjgrimm]

Mongolia introduced a law that people had to have a surname, and it was reported that a lot were announcing that many of them planned to take Genghis Khan’s name. I think this was categorised as a “protest”, but considering that he’s viewed positively in Mongolia, I don’t think it was seen as a deliberate act of being ridiculous.

[@DaveSCameron]

Interesting comment, I'm going to have a goo at this cheers 🥂

[@mikec518]

My spouse is from Mongolia, and I'm sorry to say I am not aware of anything like this. How I understand it works is, your surname is simply your father's given name. As for Chinggis Han's given name, Temujin, there are numerous Mongolians with that given name. Not out of any kind of protest, but likely in respect or hoping some of his ambitious qualities reflect in the person being named. I guess you could think of it similarly to naming someone Alex, like Alexander the Great. I'm not sure if it's related to the historical figure Bat Han (we might write it Batu Khan) or not, but Bat is also a common given name prefix there. I hope this is helpful!

[@DaveSCameron]

@@mikec518 Ah OK yes, I've lived and worked in China and met a few Mongolian people so I have a basic grasp but appreciate the help and you taking the time. 👍

[@brianedwards7142]

I've often fantasised about giving my name as Theo Bromo when questioned. 🤣

[@urielpolak9949]

In dutch peter is not like pea ter more like pay-ter. A peter is also a godfather as in witness of a baptism.now i will watch the video because, even though i am “dutch” i have not heard of this protest

[@Jan_Koopman]

Godfather/witness in baptisme is toch een Pater, Latijn voor vader?

[@urielpolak9949]

@@Jan_Koopman peter pater tater tater . Peet oom peet tante.

[@Jan_Koopman]

@@urielpolak9949, juistem.

[@urielpolak9949]

@@Jan_Koopman pater is father. Priest

[@deldarel]

About the pushback on this: I think it just didn't reach many people who'd push back against it. LinkedIn is a platform for business relations. If you're on there, a bigot, and educated enough to comfortably fluently converse in English, you're also likely savy enough to know not to have a public opinion on the matter.

[@NephriteQueen]

I feel the popularity of Peter could be connected to Christianity, since one of the disciples.

[@DaveSCameron]

I'd never date any lady called Peter..

[@damontolhurst]

Why > What ... One data point does not identify a structural bias that needs fixing. I'm not saying it's not there or that it doesn't need fixing if it is. I'm saying you need a lot more information before making the determination that "there are too few women CEOs and we need more." The question is /why/ are there so few women proportionally? Are there women who want to be CEOs and are qualified but aren't able to achieve it? Are there actual differences between the Dutch men and women in the workforce that might explain the difference? You simply cannot tell a story with one data point.

[@PlayingGilly]

Interesting concept, given its my name.

[@SJ-co6nk]

This focus on the top spot is pathological. Almost no one is a CEO. Almost nobody has any choice in who a CEO is. It's just sad.

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Rossum* not Possum

[@KaloyanMitevv]

i like your vid!

[@urielpolak9949]

Out of every 100 people that lecture me ,in public, for no good reasons 99 are sandra

[@Deep-Sarcasm]

His name was Robert paulson

[@DaveSCameron]

Another cracker from my favourite moniker magician and please keep them coming young man. 👍

[@brainywarrior7396]

Here's how to fix that Problem: Put more work into gaining that position. Simple and straightforward, but it will take time.

[@yarone5960]

Half of Netherland ministers are women, so I find it strange that in the private sector they have such discrimination

[@RK-cj4oc]

Its because in the goverment they face less competition and dont have to actually do their job well to succeed like you would have to do in the private sector. They dont face discrimination

[@SJrad]

Petah

[@richdobbs6595]

Shallow. No discussion of why this might arise.

[@marioordonez8135]

You almost make me understand "pizza" instead of "Peter" due to your accent. It's funny, it's not criticism.

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Yahoo* not Yohrhoo

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

shut the fuck up. you're correcting him by telling him to speak in an american accent you stupid piece of shit

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Idea* not Ideer

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

whst the fuck are you on about???? he doesn't even have a rhotic dialect

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

not being an annoying snob challenge (impossible)

[@VanBurenOfficial]

Hey Beter

[@dinisfonseca6305]

There are so many* not There's so many

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Past* not Pohrst

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

he said pɑst, not pɒst. the former being the correct pronounciation in recoeved pronounciation, the standardised variety of english used in britain

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Can't* not Khon'

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

have you heard of the father-bother merger? trap bath merger? caught cot merger? if not shut up and stop correcting people who don't have a thick american accent you absolute buffoon

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

nobody's saying χɒnʔ

[@Ariadne404]

PETAAAAAAAAAH!!!

[@urielpolak9949]

Dutch men are sensitive and “feminine” on a grander scale than most other countries.Sorry for ranting. I am not even at the end of the vid. Representation is important yes. But i care more for content. 1 “enlightened man is worth more than 10 women taking the old school man’s place. Women does not equal better. Again in the netherlands there is nothing holding women back . Why want these old boy network spots??. I have grown up kidz now. But being a single dad in the role of primary caregiver had its moments of discrimination. I advocate for total equality. Equal rights for all. That in practice this may not result in equal numbers or succes in some places is fine. Even warented

[@moonpie1971]

The "Old Boy" network thinks, "more for them" means, "less for us".

[@urielpolak9949]

@@moonpie1971 true that

[@Angiie884]

I think actually going to physically change their names would have made more of a statement. Anyway this seems like a joke, if they really wanted to change things they would've started companies, making themselves ceo and promoting the idea of women taking initiatives to further cause change.

[@dinisfonseca6305]

Example* not Exomple

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

my god NOT EVERYONE HAS AN AMERICAN ACCENT.

[@dinisfonseca6305]

@@theidioticbgilson1466 i have a scottish accent, the english accent that this guy in the video has is still wrong

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

@@dinisfonseca6305 you have a case of being a prick. not that standard british english is any more correct than any other dialect but please look it up in a dictionary with proper phonetic transcription

[@dinisfonseca6305]

@@theidioticbgilson1466 yeah well scottish english is still british english, wise guy

[@theidioticbgilson1466]

@@dinisfonseca6305 fucking hell, do you not know how adjectives work either?? STANDARD british english. it's the sociolect that culturally is generally reuarded as standard. i didagree with that but you sound so completely fucking arrogant correcting people's dialects when your dialect isn't even viewed as standard

[@viklondon3466]

Wonder if they will check how many builders or manual laborers have the name Peter.. Ideally they should demand those jobs as well. Equality for all jobs, not just CEO jobs 🤔

[@Menstral]

Bogus stunt

[@Illumisepoolist]

Should Columbus, Ohio be renamed Flavortown?

[@DroneBeeStrike]

Oh no, men and women might be different and have different strengths and they excel in different roles, how terrible