Why EVERYONE Plays: Kayn | League of Legends

[@bigsmoke4592]

nothing beats seeing this jungle-yuumi flank my squishies at a million movement speed, miss W and still 100 to 0 kill with Q+auto, getting duskblade untargetable before disappearing in the walls again and healing from that for some reason. and none of that even adresses his ultimate that answers the question "hey everyone hates master yi Q, can we make that again but on steroids?"

[@nishu4406]

miss everything smite r to kill lmao then disappear into walls with e

[@dukenintendo]

karthus: miss q, miss q, miss q, get bored flash in, E, stopwatch, die, ult, quadra kill, you mad bro?

[@bigsmoke4592]

​@@dukenintendoi mean flash E stopwatch is an extremely high investment that most champs can just walk away from. i'm not gonna defend his ult but playing the whatabout game isn't really my intention anyway

[@polarroars68]

yuumi: attaches to left nut sack e’s at the wrong time ults to steal kill ignites to steal kill q goes in oposite direction of enemies or steals kill also yuumi when she loses: adc gap

[@davidreeding9176]

I thought you were talking about a jungle yuumi who totally dom-ed your team with very little skill and effort

[@the_lone_wandererg2217]

everytime i have a kayn on my team i swear he just feeds BUT ON THE ENEMY TEAM NOOOO HE IS A KILLING MACHINE

[@bainbonic]

Isn't that true with every champion though? I swear....

[@MinhHoang-kg8mh]

You're not very creative aren't you?

[@DeathBean89]

we used to call that Shaco Syndrome

[@pain002]

@@bainbonicpretty sure I have never seen a bad ivern or maokai. They play jgl and it just works

[@zeal705]

must have played with me at one point

[@devilkingaming4619]

I could live with kayn a lot more if the purple builds weren't so wildly effective.

[@johnbee1748]

What purple build?

[@thefearturkey6944]

@@johnbee1748its what vars said mixing builds so a brusier blue kayn when gore drinker was over tuned and everyone was building it. Now its a rhaast assasin with dusk blade because of its passive he has another safe guard you already cant hit him in r so he could kill the back line then w is probably off cool down cc anyone else and shred them

[@Martin-yh7vi]

​@@thefearturkey6944Despite being nerfed, building Shojin 2nd or 3rd is so strong on Kayn just because his cool downs become less than 3-4 seconds making him way more slippery regardless of forms.

[@joshuafenty5621]

Lol calling it Purple Kayn is so clever

[@thefearturkey6944]

@@Martin-yh7vi well shojin is just a good kayn item high damage decent health and ability haste. Blue kayn likes to use w to poke and red gets more cool downs so he can sustain way more. Shojin is mostly a third item with rhaast getting black cleaver second of blue kayn going axiom arc. Blue doesnt need shojin as your cool downs are already nuts but it provides more durability with everything you want

[@myaps1859]

You forgot to mention his W having a 90% decaying slow, and Rhaast still has that slow on top off the knock-up 😂🤦‍♂️

[@drduky5811]

rhaast still slows with w???

[@myaps1859]

@@drduky5811 0.5 seconds but yes and most of the slow has already decayed because the knock-up is 1 sec

[@alexdenslow7095]

Even in Gold, Kayn is my permaban. Not because the champions I play can’t deal with him, (quite the contrary, I can deal with him quite well,) but because I don’t trust my allies to not constantly overextend and hand him free kills, or at the very least free souls.

[@StecherUL-vb3zc]

Exactly, its not about trying to outpick the enemy team but yours

[@omfg322]

Same reason why I perma ban katarina in gold/plat. I don't trust my allies to not feed her then blame me for it

[@espio329]

i usually ban kayn cause gold elo kayns would look at the enemy team that consists of Blitzcrank ,Darius, yasuo, sejuani, and MF and choose a blue kayn load out and wonder why they're not doing damage to the enemy team outside of the MF.

[@brookshutcheson5075]

Yup, blows my mind how many people stand next to a wall overextended in lane phase completely oblivious that there is a kayn on the enemy team

[@aydenbonnet9630]

​@@omfg322 Seriously, too many times ive watched a lukewarm Kayn, or Kata player get zoned, and out rotated into doing nothing for 15 minutes only to spiral out of control after somebody hard over extends

[@c0n33r]

The magic damage of blue Kayn is post mitigation, meaning armour already mitigates it once.

[@SirKittersII]

Very intelligent! you figured that out all by your self? Very cool!

[@JoaoLucas-qv7do]

@@SirKittersII it is mitigated by armour and magic resistance.

[@awdsgrgde6979]

Exactly, at the point he reached Shadow Assassin's passive it was clear he has no idea what he is talking about.

[@wh3ntheycry]

@@awdsgrgde6979 Vars is well known for being a bit of a brainrotted Kayn hater you can easily see his bias seeping through a lot. He doesn't actually know how any of Kayns passives abilities and ratios work and ends up making a bunch of points with no value

[@Hazy_Fforest]

For some reason, after I take a couple months off League (which I do from time to time for my mental) Kayn is always the champion to bring me back. I don't even like jungle, but I just get this itch to play Kayn. Thanks for finally articulating why for me

[@proxnoob6177]

He is fun to play man.

[@Mynth16]

Well you can play kayn top now

[@motafu1]

​@@Mynth16 kayn top ain't really a viable pick tho

[@Lin_Nascimento]

Kayn is powerful, broken sometimes, but I never hated going against him, I never wanted to dodge or sighed when one was on the enemy team

[@theghostoftheuchiha1430]

People cry too much about Kayn, mostly people who often plays vs fed blue Kayn, feeds and disrespects his snowball potential then cry like usual why 20+ kills assassin oneshots

[@motafu1]

​@@theghostoftheuchiha1430 they cry too much about him, they never tried learning how play against him, just camp him in the early game and the kayn won't have any fun

[@theghostoftheuchiha1430]

@@motafu1 exactly, Kayn isn't a reset champion and has weak early above that, they cry about assassin having mobility, and Rhaast being tank killer.

[@motafu1]

@@theghostoftheuchiha1430 they should cry about adcs being playable in every lane (except jungle) now, like tristana mid or top is so broken, you can easily go in lvl 3 and don't get punished + their most dmg comes out from auto attacks, there are barely people who realise how broken adc or any other role/lane actually is, perma splitpushing champs like yorick or sion are also annoying to deal with

[@theghostoftheuchiha1430]

@@motafu1 yes, I will never get it how auto attacking is more skilled than playing with abilities.

[@Mars30999]

The trick to beating kayn imo is either goin a hypercarry that beats him early and outscales him late (bel, yi, etc) or goin someone that will give him the opposite orbs that he'd want for ur team (ie. U have a tanky team so u go kindred or graves so he gets blue)

[@celeste4034]

but it just delays his form by 3 minutes and thats if he DOESNT get any more orbs which he might

[@Mars30999]

@@celeste4034 i mean its jg not lane. No counters are true counters. You still have to out jungle him. The 3 extra mins on someone your already beating is a nail in the coffin. Keep in mind, thats 3 extra mins he still has slower clears, worse ganks, and worse objective contestability Tho it also helps that going champs that are the opposite to the form he wants often have a better time killin the form he ends up goin based on ur team as a whole

[@thefearturkey6944]

@@celeste40343 minutes is a long time especially if your invading kayn is way weaker than graves or kindred early game. So lets those are also bad matchups for kayn lets assume kayn falls behind and gets killed so not only is he behind maybe can get the correct form at 12 minutes into the match by then hes missed so much even with purple his team most likely needs a better front line or assasin

[@Daminionz]

as someone that mains kayn let me tell u the easiest way to counter kayn - just do nothing. like idk am in gold elo but even there my enemies often realise this. just play safe, don't push your lane, just last hit, don't engage. it really is that simple. there'd be times where I look at every lane - and literally nothing is happening, every enemy is hugging their turret. I guess I could try look for enemy jg and force something but even then, nothing's stopping the enemy jg from simply leaving and reappearing on some of my laners where they gank, while I am ... well idk either taking his jg camps or my own again or I just went B because nothing was happening. the longer you can play passive the further back you set kayn.

[@seanboglio3605]

So there is no trick... it's just play 2x better to even and then some more. (OOOR pick other broken jungler like belveth/ Lillia)

[@Alone-SF]

Kayn is just a safe pick, because if let's say you want to play a more standard jg, that just happens to get banned, go Kayn if nothing else comes into mind. Then when the game starts, you can just try to look what your team needs and do just that

[@CallMeSaltyScorpion]

Its a testement to Vars' skill that I watch his videos despite having quit League years ago and any attempt to return results in unyielding rage

[@Space_Bones]

When I played League I looooved Kayn. You nailed it when you said Kayn’s freedom is a big reason he’s so popular. Speeding through the jungle in a straight fucking line will always be hilarious to me. I am also a fan of Robbie, his voice actor!

[@turbulenttranquilities4207]

Do you plan to do a video covering mythics, their history, and why they are being ultimately removed from the game?

[@smashedpotatoes5708]

The reason why I play kayn is because NOTHING beats Q’ing into a raptor pit THATS Euphoria on demand.

[@davidpavel5017]

This wasnt a why everyone plays Kayn video, this was just a kayn rant.

[@linaaalix]

they could never make me hate you kayn

[@skylex157]

I mastery 5 him in one week when he lauched but he was so weak early on, that i had the same feeling as that of kayle, that you are not a champion until trabsforming, kayle's range used to be 11 and kayn in 13 was a good game where i focused on ganking I've picked him back recently and oh boy are the buffs are noticiable, you are indeed a champ before transforming, the transformation just accentuates how much of a champion you are

[@SuperRitz44]

Gonna give my own prediction before watching the video: Because he is a character who can travel inside walls in a game where the amount of mobility you have determines if you are bottom or top tier.

[@proxnoob6177]

Yes exactly that.

[@DeathRebel369]

Tis a shame that he wont get that many skins cuz you have to create 3 skins for one champ everytime. Also his shadow step is very broken

[@deonm4759]

They don't need to since Odyssey is already spectacular

[@Underworlder5]

@@deonm4759 i wish the odyssey kayn announcer was a permanent option. dramatic, flowery and humorous, yet still gets the point across

[@deonm4759]

@Underworlder5 I wish Butcher's bridge was still a thing

[@Underworlder5]

@@deonm4759 when was that? i got into the game around the same time the aatrox VGU happened

[@deonm4759]

@Underworlder5 it was a bilgewater themed reskin of aram during pykes release with a pyke announcer, bilgewater music, and a few unique items There also used to be a mode called poro king, which worked like aram, but everyone had snowball that would be used to summon a giant poro that helped your team, and you could feed it buffs

[@brandonhuey630]

As a kayn main, we need to have an honest conversation about this mans clear speed, it's fast AF

[@Deranged_Duncan]

I'm not gonna lie, I can't bring myself to hate Kayn because he's just really fun to play.

[@1dingerr]

R at 10% hp, then popping out with a 3+ person W into a double Q and being full HP again. Nothing more satisfying

[@panlis6243]

I personally both love and hate him. He's fun to play in that "I shouldn't be allowed to do this" kind of way

[@aatroxtheworldender933]

Rengar solos

[@trash4484]

​@@aatroxtheworldender933 rengar is pretty boring and even more one way champ than kayn, plus he doesn't have aoe.

[@FlyLeah]

Hes master yi but worse

[@goodpeanut8401]

I’m a poppy main, this cheap ass reaper is my natural Prey

[@LabrnMystic]

Well that explains one game my friends and I had. Where we were winning, and then about the 16-18 minute mark enemy team was making a strong comeback with Cho'gath and Kayn duoing every lane until one of the other got to kill and then moving to the next lane

[@saino5382]

I love playing Kayn! Matches my playstyle perfectly 👌🏻😁

[@довакн-ч2м]

I heard background music after closing persona 4 and thought that i finally got insane

[@kadalix]

as someone who played kayn since release, seeing him grow into an absolute menace was so infuriating because you basically get your powerspike for free you could get orbs in your sleep and get form by 8 minutes, while way before it was amazing to get form at 12 min but no, everytime they buff him they give him like 50% more power until the fucking item rework broke the dam and now he's this monster that virtually can't be shut down

[@schneipier]

Idk, I bullied so much Kayn with my Poppy jungle that I don't feel like its a strong champion tbh. I surely give them some free stacks, but they end up so behind, that I either one shot them myself if they go blue or my team one shots them if they choose red. And even if they are somehow fed because my team fed him, I will still prevent him to do anything just by existing and pressing E and W. So yeah, I am kinda happy when I am against a Kayn. Some players even pick him after I picked Poppy, which makes me always happy

[@thekintheb621]

I REALLY hated him when dusk blade empowered your auto attacks he would run at you with the E and ghost blade movement speed, if he at least touchs you with that auto with a duskblade proc which both are counted towards his passive, he can miss both W and Q but autos you one more time then ult to refresh his passive+ refresh duskblade + proc electrocute, the dumb part is that all of those are point and click, so the whole 2 skill shots that you are worrying about dodging ... yeah they dont matter, AA+ult+AA = 100 to 0

[@DonWojtasI]

Kayn's been in the game for 6 years already and he remains my first choice to ban throught all this time. It's so obnoxious to play against, knowing he can approach you from literally any angle.

[@mahe7744]

My main problem with red kayn is his scaling, that guy can have like 300ad which is alright whatever, but that 300 ad translates to a TON of % MAX hp damage on his abilities which in turns means he heals for a gorillon.

[@wh3ntheycry]

Hasn't been that way for almost a year

[@mahe7744]

@@wh3ntheycry i wrote that comment 3months ago. There's a druttut video of him playing kayn top around 5months ago from now on where he reaches 52% max health dmg on his r with 3-4 items. Im pretty sure this was after nerfs, because i used to reach 64% max health dmg before this on R with give or take the same amount of its, his Q was able to reach 20-30% max health x2. This is on red kayn, blue had insane numbers too but they were not as crazy. Blue was at some point even more broken but not cuz numbers, it was items i believe.

[@Coom-Slayer]

As a formor league player and most role player i had rank 7 kayn along other junglers, he was just too good. I won my first clash tournament years ago using him in 2 out of 3 games. So i agree wholeheartedly

[@vatum20]

I remember when it was meta on Kayn to go blue with sorc shoes XD

[@taim69]

Best Kayn on EUNE server here. Great video! :D

[@milesedgeworth6353]

I remember trying league for the first time and playing Ahri, not long after that, Kayn was on rotation and I decided to try him out, I immediately knew jg was the role for me, heck I immediately knew league was for me. Been following Vars for years now, needless to say I watched this whole video with a smile on my face. Now if only riot gave me more kayn skins.

[@xenomorph2258]

Okay. You have root brain to play Kayn.

[@wh3ntheycry]

root brain ooga booga@@xenomorph2258

[@nyke.9941]

Not everybody has to chance to play kayn in my lobby cuz he is perma banned

[@kaworugaming8485]

i played against kayn ONCE, ever since then hes sure as hell to get banned from me when im going jungle 💀

[@someguywithajacksparrowicon]

And boys, that's how I -met your mother- started permabanning kayn.

[@PunCala]

Duskblade changes pushed Kayn over the edge. He is now my permaban. I recently went 18/5 but lost game to blue Kayn who kept one shotting my idiot team mates through walls. One thing you missed: Kayn can proc his ult from Smite alone. He doesn't have to hit anything before that.

[@Underworlder5]

duskblade passive is absolutely stupid. how did untargetability on kill for potentially any champion ever get past the writing board? this seems more like something you would expect from a PVE gamemode

[@DemonRaticate]

@@Underworlder5You know whats dumber? It was originally just untargetability. You could still hit them with AOE and non targeted CC. They then either just made it full invulnerablity or tried thr firet idea and converted it to full invulnerability.

[@JakeDSwift]

persona 4 music in a vars video goes hard

[@dylanowens7902]

fax

[@zerlichr426]

You forgot to mention his Passive on shadow assasin resets when after ulting. So you can kill 2 squishies with it :D

[@Ascelius]

Make a video series about each servers of league, idk what the topic would be but that would be funny

[@jaygged6472]

I like your soft yet purposeful voice. It really helps drive your points through. This may be a weird or creepy thing to comment but I mean it as a genuine compliment

[@samikaislasalo3947]

MY BOI, finally gets this video

[@ins1d]

as a Kayn main who now has over 220k points on him. This is the best champion in league of legends.

[@WhyDuYes]

And we didn't even talk about the fact that blue kayn is incredible at zoning and poking since he can just perma stay in wall in late and his w has pretty solid range. You can do whatever you want with him if you know how

[@pralenkaman8105]

I love kayn, but I'll be honest, red kayn is very undertuned right now, he is supposed to be the anti tank version of kayn but I feel that he doesn't do that much damage to tanks, they gutted his healing, going from 30% to 20-25% and percent health damage which I don't remember the specifics, his ult now has reduced healing and damage which means that even if you ult a tank with a lot of hp you won't restore back to full, red kayn is all about team fighting and choosing the right target to ult to essentially get a second health bar with the healing you have to get back to fighting instantly, but right now you'll ult and maybe recover half of your hp. Red kayn is so mid right now to the point where I started trying out viego, first timing btw and I was legit surprised how I was in auto piloting most of the game and still performing pretty well Blue kayn in at a pretty good spot right now, he can change the flow of the game, but if you don't know how to position you won't do anything, I lost a game because I didn't respect the enemy qiyana and literally died 4 times in a row as soon as I stepped out of base, but I've won many games because I've avoided fights unless I know I can get in and get out without dying Red kayn however literally feels useless right now to the point where if you're not ahead from the start you'll probably stay behind, additionally, at least the kayn content creators I see, most of them use blue form because it's just better right now

[@alciozc3591]

Full lethality Red Kayn is super fun and broken

[@azaphakaylock2789]

I have always felt like kayn has it great in nearly every area, even down to champion select since he's very easy to blind pick with (how you do counter pick kayn?). I don't' feel kayn has one "omg so broken" ability but all his abilitys are high value and consistent.

[@luukas2660]

Play a high priority strong early game jungler, that's the counter. There's nothing Kayn can do to the likes of Kha or Graves if they invade.

[@edipedipbulmaz]

​@@luukas2660he gets transform and carries

[@luukas2660]

@@edipedipbulmaz Yeah transform after you've completely lost control of your jungle and are down two levels and 40 cs.

[@bigsmoke4592]

imo kayn was the moment champion design went wrong. to me the line between old school design philosophy and 200 years is a line of pre kayn and post kayn.

[@Qatch1140]

I mean it's universally agreed as yasuo by literally everyone else

[@bigsmoke4592]

@@Qatch1140for me the point is that there were plenty of great unique champions with clear strength and weaknesses released after yasuo. kayn on the other hand lead us down a path we would never recover from.

[@Qatch1140]

@@bigsmoke4592 tbf I enjoy some newer ones like seraphine and sett, who have clear strengths and weaknesses. Though granted both have game ending abilities late game

[@mrocto329]

@@Qatch1140 Yasuo was a shift in philosophy but not 200 years because he has clear borders in what he can and can't do. Kayn is too flexible in terms of identity and it is basically dictated by the general meta of the game.

[@Babigoldfish]

Camille

[@curtisramos7099]

Kayn is the champion that i had a genuine connection with ever since he came out. Bro got me from bronze all the way up to diamond. When you find that champ you love. The game completely changes

[@milanesaconpure2994]

Why EVERYONE Plays: Kayn = 6.5 pickrate What Happened to Orianna? Why NO ONE Plays Her Anymore = 11.8 pickrate

[@hyperN1337]

He is very very easy to execute with, you have to genuinely try to miss his Q and W's in a fight. But the biggest issue with him at the moment purely stems from itemization. Build bruiser on blue, have 500 ad, 4000 hp, 100 ability haste, and able to carve through tanks and squishies alike. Build lethality on red, you are still tanky af, and your Q still does about 80% of a squishy's max hp on hitting both instances. At this point its not a matter of 'do you want assassin or bruiser'; you are a bruiser, and your choice is 'healing or mobility' since the same builds can work with both and kill all targets just as effectively.

[@rafa6197ify]

I asked for this video a longgg time ago hahahhaha, just happy to see it finally being made! Congrats on the channel and video!

[@Flinwe95]

I haven't played against Kayn in 2 years and I don't regret it. :)

[@jonhard1049]

Yesterday I jsut began palying Kayn after a long while of playing extreme offmeta to take a break. I play kayn in mid now and always go blue form, its crazy how good he is at roaming and how fast he clears waves

[@lucylulu3244]

honestly i expected "hes hot" and outro

[@misteriousgamers9290]

Kayn lies in the batch off champions i like to call: "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING???"

[@milanesaconpure2994]

Why everyone plays Kayn = 8.87 Pickrate Why NO one plays Orianna = 18.27 Pickrate

[@VarsVerum]

It's almost like the orianna video came out months ago when she was unpopular and Kayn was nerfed immediately after his video came out.

[@ravennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

kayn is like the yone of the jungle to me, if you know your combos and your matchups well you can outplay almost anything

[@snakeking5009]

As a kayn main there's a lot of truth to this video couple things I'd point out though. 1. You can reasonably assume which form kayn is going based off runes so he's not like this "i dont know what form hes going to go im counterpicking myself" I thought that was kind of overblown 2. His early form aside from his clearspeed is pretty weak you lose to just about everything and his ganks while unpredictable are a lot weaker than you made it seem he has trouble sticking to targets and dealing consistent damage in his base form so he's basically a glorified vulture in the earlygame. 3. I think red kayn especially in todays game is soooo much weaker than you're making him out to be. I recently started playing jarvan and I was shocked that jarvans base kit is basically just red kayn but without the weak earlygame. And he got nerfed too! so like yeah its powerful but relative to jarvan its honestly almost never worth picking red form because you're waiting till lvl 8 to become a jarvan that heals off damage like eh. Overall though, banger video I love that blue kayn has put the fear of god into many players lmao.

[@satorrotas93]

Kayn really isn’t all that hard to counter. He only scales well if he snowballs so the easiest way to counter him is just perma invade. He can’t play the game from behind. Also just be aware of your surroundings. Look for the little glowing orb on the wall and simply walk away from it. Pre form he doesn’t have that much chase potential if he doesn’t get the jump on you.

[@aydencow6814]

tbh, that's how you counter every scaling champion XD.

[@satorrotas93]

@@aydencow6814 Kayn is only a scaling champ in the way that draven is a scaling champ. If he doesn’t snowball, he doesn’t scale.

[@aydencow6814]

@@satorrotas93 for blue yes, but red has the privilege of snowballing and scaling 😁. Bro bonks late game like a yone

[@victorfreitas1513]

My opinion in Kayn its that the champion takes zero skill, and i love his goofy ass

[@edgebrowser187]

i mean he is a "run into your face and dip" jungle so you could say he is the singed version of jungle tbh

[@soverow]

When Canyon picked it during Worlds, it was PEAK Kayn gameplay

[@savvathornnmysteriam9867]

I'd like to see the pre mythic item ravenous hydra again. That shit worked ridiculously well with kayn

[@brandoperes2789]

I only like to watch Vars videos to see him cry, thanks for another banger

[@KirionF]

I picked up the jungle role in S12 and 13 because I realized that Kayn is the champion in League that best encompasses the 2 of the 3 playstyles I tend to gravitate to in games. Even when I was a laner, he wasn't necessarily a pick or ban for me. I was perfectly content going against Kayn compared to someone like Gangplank, Fiora or Gragas who are just infuriating to face. There is one thing that I have to add to Kayn's broken design that I notice as a Kayn main. First, let me preface it by saying that, at the moment as of 13.21, Kayn is probably in the most precarious position he's been in since launch. Repetitive nerfs of his transformed abilities, albeit warranted, have made his base form rather bad once again. As a jungler who wants to skirmish, he is somewhat dependent on jungle matchup or teamates to get it. He can't really be the one initiating ganks because his threat level is low and depending on enemy positioning, they can decide to simply not engage with you. That brings me to the flaw in his design, one that I saw most prominently displayed and exposed to everyone when he was picked at Worlds 2022 by Canyon. The only real way to counter him is to refuse to engage with him for the longest time possible. If you avoid him, refuse to fight him and just go around collecting leads for your team, Kayn won't get his form until after 15 to 17min and will simply lose the game. This is especially true at the moment which is why the Aery rune has seen adoption, in part due to Karasmai, as a way to patch how coinflippy Kayn is atm. Games currently have you attain form at 6-7min or at 15-17min, depending on a myriad of factors and Aery softens that curve quite a bit. Thirdly. I believe Kayn was one of the champions that suffered the most nerfs not necessarily due to his kit scaling but how well it synergized with the most popular mythic items. I detest how Riot has approached balance since the mythic item rework in which they would see all these problematic champions I.E.: Aatrox, Fiora, Kayn, Kha'zix; etc. etc. and instead of nerfing the items they were abusing: Goredrinker, Death's Dance, Prowler's etc. etc. they would either hit only one of the champions or, worse, double dip. There were so many patches in which Kayn items were nerfed due to Riot not wishing to nerf, as an example, Aatrox, but they would also hit Rhaast for example or base Kayn. While deserved, it just really speaks to how much of a symptom of mythics Kayn's current infamy is.

[@santir2396]

Easy solution, make Kayn lose like 10% of his current orb ammount on death. This way Kayn can still get his 3500 gold efficiency transformation worth of stats early in the game if he is ahead, but you actually have counterplay windows and putting him behind is ACTUALLY worth it.

[@FrenchDinosaur]

See, the problem with that is that being behind on Kayn means you're literally never getting back in the game. Vars made it seem like base Kayn is also a menace, but he really isn't. He's weak. Him dying means that he's already giving free gold to the enemy jungler, taking away the souls that he got just means that he's getting pushed back hard. Imagine you're already 0/2 on Kayn, giving your kills to the enemy Kindred. Since you already died twice, you're way too far to get any form any time soon, and since the kills were given to the Kindred, you best believe the enemy will eternally camp you in your own jungle making you die even more, thus not even giving you the chance to transform.

[@santir2396]

@@FrenchDinosaur you could make it so the meter charges passively with neutral orbs and the ammount of blue and red ones that you have on top of the neutral orbs determines your form, so you CAN fall behind but you can't fall out completely. Also its 10% current orb ammount so the less you have, the less your lose so early deaths put you less behind while doing coinflip plays around 10 to 14 mins (when you should have your form almost up) means you lose a lot.

[@OG_ALviK]

​@@santir2396Early fights give out more orbs than later in the game.

[@meghule0418]

@@OG_ALviKlate but it’s the opposite way round you get more orbs later into the game than early

[@cheetahofthewind13]

I remember when kayn was in the in-between of no one and everyone plays Playing kayn mid during those times *cough* before mythics *cough* was alot of fun especially since he was basically a nice sidegrade to talon when you play kayn mid

[@54regas]

A couples of days ago i played vs a Blue Kayn full assasin build. I was Samira, so I play around that by buying Frozen Heart and G.A (once the passive was used changed it to Dead Man's Plate). When he dind't oneshot me being at 270 armor and 2800 heatlh (+ shieldbow) he proceed to call my champion "OP adc tank" and cried for the rest of the game xD. Kayn players have the mindset of "If I can't oneshot someone, they are OP" which speaks volumes about the champ.

[@TheMike5125]

I hate that his e heals. So many times I body one, they run into the walls and comeback with near full health. His ult also allows him to like Kha where they use it to refresh cooldowns

[@theflusteredloli4811]

I think the thing that I hate most about Kayn is I can dodge everything, space him so he can’t auto me and all he has to do is smite and he can still ult me. He waits for his cool downs and now I can’t dodge anything and so he one shots me by missing everything on the engage

[@theikachi]

I remember when riot made Talon a jungler and everyone hate him because he can just ignore the path, just like kayn, but at least he "consume" one wall to do that, Kayn can do that always. And in the end he just got kick out of Jg, goddamit i hated that

[@leroywashington3417]

Not to mention invading is stil incredibly easy on him since you only need like 2 q's early to knock out the raptor and wolf camps

[@DankManPlays]

I've been a kayn main for the better part of 3-4 years (not consistently, I've been quitting and relapsing league for a while now) and I loved him from the moment I picked him up.

[@kamizzy5215]

been maining him since he came out :D i love kayn so much

[@snave5188]

I've waited so long for this day. I'm so happy ty

[@js.josippp]

Broken but actually hard to play is the best way to describe kayn, and riot also has this weird love hate relationship with him where if he's below 50% wr they buff him and then nerf him 4 PATCHES IN A ROW

[@pabloxvii3807]

i think he is fairly easy to play but relies heavily on good decision Making early

[@strzelamcementemzlokcia1030]

@@pabloxvii3807 i wouldnt call him hard, its just a diffrent playstyle so you cant just pick him up and destroy everyone. However if you spend like 20 minutes watching a kayn otp explaining how to use him, he becomes pretty easy and powerfull. Mind you i peaked emerald so might just be wrong.

[@deskartsu4551]

They made it so it’s a win win for Kayne and a lose lose for the opponent

[@anirudhs8531]

As an adc main i need this character rebalanced for my mental health xd

[@danha3107]

the guy dominates my low elo matches too lol, teammates don’t watch where minimap at all so his free ganks are even freer. Him and Shaco are always my bans

[@blungalblorg]

The real reason ppl play Kayn is because Odyssey Kayn has the funniest voice lines in the game

[@thecoolestcorgi4991]

If I play Kayn it is only for the funny arguments between him and Rhaast

[@sean4559]

he is the cokayn afterall

[@Motorboatasaurus]

Kayn is fun as hell to play. I don't really jungle much but if I do I either Kayn, Amumu, or Maokai

[@Bahahahaggege]

can you do a riven why everyone plays its gonna be awesome !!

[@MrJuggalo909]

Kayn's still in the game? Oh ya, I've been banning him for 2 seasons straight. I forgot.

[@urmommahouse494]

Dude runs toward ur team, kills someone, goes untargetable, and waits to do it again....

[@scarab2]

Fun fact Trundle's E knocks Jayn out of shadow walk

[@ktskis1680]

all you have to do is press W Q passive does the job for you then you ult for the satisfaction

[@OuhHey]

Because Kayn simply has a sickass design and is very versatile

[@ilikecheese1233]

Kayn: 7.2% pick rate Vars: why everybody plays kayn Orianna: 7.6% pick rate Vars: why nobody plays orianna

[@crashka5860]

I am a filthy kayn aatrox main but I almost never go blue, I play kayn because he is darkin and I love the drain tank power fantasy. That’s why I go gore on both champs in nearly every game

[@Crusader3454]

Level 1-3 kayn is fkn insane but after that kayn becomes a joke very quickly until you get passive

[@pnut5605]

The reason I played Kayn in the first place was because I got the snow moon skin from a box and the splash art looked too great to let it go to waste… can you blame me for that? Otherwise, I’d agree with hates

[@kacperzebra6957]

You have such a nice vioce. I love it!

[@Star188Ash]

I kayn was the first champ i sat and learned and helped me understand jungle

[@lovisericachii4503]

did a no transform challenge on kayn :) ... still won

[@mr.calamity8886]

One of my friends that I play with mains this guy and I almost feel bad for the enemy team. He usually bans Kayne if he's not playing him, which is good, because the one time I was playing against Kayne I was so infuriated by how impossible he was to play against that I have to dodge every time I see the enemy team pick him. I'd rather get oneshot by a Kha'zix that I didn't see than spend that three seconds before that stupid scythe lands writing Jhin's will.

[@furyn9221]

First Zed, then Kayn, now we definitely need Syndra next :>