Why feeding is sometimes OK

[@Jenkins69]

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[@CJHan]

hello jenkins may your day and night be blessed.

[@plantsvs.zombies9814]

Shawty's 😳 like ♥️ a 🅰️ melody 🎶 in 👉👌 my🎍 head🗿that I can't ♿ keep out ⚠️ got me singing like 🤪 na na na na everyday⛅ it's like my ipod stuck on replay🔁

[@pilotx7837]

Jenkins, what shampoo do you use?

[@Salty_Nutella]

🥶 🍦 bing chilling

[@pinoybloxtv7187]

correct

[@SealGunman]

Finally Jenkins teaching us on a subject that he's intimately familiar with; feeding.

[@Taziod]

How much did BSJ pay you

[@rishabhsolanki1833]

Hahahah

[@Supertunaasd]

Jahahaha

[@HLYforever91]

Best comment

[@baruchjoshiah120]

Thanks for the laugh!

[@Gabrielbarsch]

6:14 this needs to be a chatwheel response

[@angryhobo212]

He says it so cheerfully :)

[@tom594]

Puppey would like that

[@FatalityScouter15]

the ONLY good chatwheel response

[@rubydota151]

Thanks Jenkins :) I've lost 300 MMR since watching this! Always great guides

[@JerryLSF]

LOL

[@bonifasiusadisuryanto5786]

How

[@vginside]

@@bonifasiusadisuryanto5786 he started with -1:00 space creating at enemy fountain :p

[@hxmba00]

Keep it up bruh hahaha

[@hendywijaya3213]

When you only read the title instead of full explanation

[@BMYacht]

The quiz format was pretty fun actually.

[@nuffys3784]

yeah i agree, makes you think the concepts on your own

[@TkrZ]

thank you for the video jenkins, i will now continue to feed at the exact same rate but will be enlightened by the knowledge that i am feeding

[@135791max]

Eyyyy, I went 4 for 4. I like how I knew the deaths were bad in the first three intuitively, but I couldn't put it in exact words, so having Jenkins explain specifically why was pretty nice.

[@nagashiedogawa6094]

Instructions unclear : Always dying 20+ plus and chat wheeling "Space Created" every death.

[@earldelosreyes8382]

Every herald game trying to defend t1 safelane tower dying and teleporting back to defend it again , then die again.

[@tapwater424]

If you don't like it stop being herald

[@CBCuster]

Another example: In the laning stage as a safelane support, if I can get both offlane heroes to chase me (trading kills, contest bounty rune, contest wards) then my carry can get one or two free waves. Worth it even if I die

[@lorenfok1097]

true especially if the carry is extremely weak in the early game and can die to 1 or 2 skills and auto attacks

[@prathameshbanda2351]

My guardian spectre chasing them cuz they are chasing me - _-

[@felixt1414]

Unless it's against Marci. She just pulls up in .5 seconds and goes back to ruining you're game like it's a Sunday walk.

[@redtsun67]

Carry: "gg support feeder. End mid fast"

[@manafon5398]

Yep, this is specially true if you are damn sure you are going to lose the lane anyway, wasting their time trying to kill you outside of the lane a couple of times could be the difference between your carry being completely shutdown on min 10 or having decent farm to contest the mid game onward.

[@Salty_Nutella]

Why didn't I think of this before? Thanks Jenkins! I'll go feed in Dota 2 now.

[@A.Liar.]

But you already do

[@owenturner5629]

These types of videos are always fire

[@hanbeitakenakasama7735]

Example 3 happened to me before, except I was the one feeding as Nature's Prophet. Enemy had an uberfed QoP and a Clinkz who made it his mission to hunt me down. Since I was on a hard farming splitpush build it might not have been a good idea since I'd have a longass death timer and a very expensive buyback, but I was still mostly a noob back then so what did I know. Eventually the QoP was 6 slotted and we were getting pushed back into the base. Our Wraith King (the main carry) wasn't doing so well himself, so I decided to just "ditch" the game and keep teleporting to the sidelanes to push. This had the effect of two of the enemy heroes (Clinkz and someone else, QoP initially) to try and chase me since I was knocking on their tier 3s by now while they were having problems sieging high ground (or straight up BMing, I don't really remember anymore). I ended up building to stall time and annoy the Clinkz even further, with Shadow Blade and Ghost Scepter. Somehow this stalled the game so much that Wraith King fed off the remaining siegers over and over again until he deathballed while QoP could not do anything against him. We won that game, and it was really surprising that time that it was my selfish decision to ditch my team and do Bulldog NP things that opened the opportunity for a turn around as someone who was watching me play pointed out. DotA really is a beautiful game.

[@MrTyrell333]

"Other times the game is in a horrible state, and somebody has to go die. Recognizing that; you can be that guy!" - Jenkins 6:55 very motivational

[@N3w1M]

Literally best outro I've ever seen in my life. Good job Jenkins!

[@darkwizard5970]

Ironically one of the the best space creators is Techies... No matter how hard you try a really good Techies player with proper vision (which is easy with remote mines) can either blast off on your face before the kill, tp out or run into mines. It may still be a feed if there's an enemy Pudge or Silencer but other than that he's almost like a feed proof hero.

[@-grumpygold1155]

oh oops im just stoned, i read tinker like why

[@crown9413]

While techies create a ton of space i think he’s a griefer he sucks a ton of gold and xp from carries. Ive seen so many games where techies pop off only to lose. He gets so many last hits on kills carries could have gotten and nukes creep waves carries could have killed, some kills he makes are out of xp range for allies. He tends to make kills on your side of the map, which don’t lead to objectives. I think techies players need to play more agressive, kill the enemy carry in their own jungle.

[@guac281]

@@crown9413 Bad techies do usually take up farm from their carries, but a good one takes the farm they are allowed to get because the carry isn't there to get it anyways. They push the waves that no one else wants to because it's too risky. Killing the carry in the enemy jungle though is a bit difficult considering how easy it is to kill a techies if you have one silence. A good techies player though will snowball games by applying insane map pressure with their pushes and also simultaneously denying the enemy jungle and preventing pushes. When played well and not countered techies can be good but is also really difficult to do correctly and is definitely a niche pick

[@chmleon]

would prefer bounty hunter. dusts and sentries will be spent before they kill you and you dont need farm because u got track and jinada. plus you can scout, initiate and counter the counter initiate by canceling daggers. just know your positioning and learn how to gank properly

[@climax050]

Theres downsides to this as with all things, but however i will from now on choose to view techies as this instead of the game-ruining pick it probably is, just for my own sake :)

[@Drunkmers]

I keep telling this to my team, but sadly they don't understand nor appreciate all the space I make

[@illmakethisgamelong9028]

And they would tell you "idiot"

[@paujanerijaya5534]

Space Created = Kiting the enemies out of their most important objectives. Feeding = You are their objective.

[@vladislavkaras491]

A really great video, thanks! From the beginning I thought I did not know, but with every analysis it confirms opposite :D

[@myrat]

Keep up the meaty content, Jenkins! I learn a ton from each video.

[@jgcobb79]

This is one of the most helpful 7 minute videos I can remember watching...

[@shaheerkhan2514]

So the main problem is, that in my bracket, even after I create space for my team to farm, they're just fooling around on the map like idiots and waste all the time I've created for them.

[@chmleon]

yes, of course, you are the hero of ur story :)

[@SarcaZmOn]

True.

[@Septimus_ii]

If the space is less valuable (because your team are idiots) then creating it is less valuable and less likely to outweigh the cost of dying

[@san12345-x]

When a go to t2 to feed and create space my wlole team in coming to save me and all 4 of them are feeding to.

[@andressierra4608]

Well you cant complain because its YOUR BRACKET like you correctly point out. If you were better thatn those "idiots", this would not be YOUR BRACKET.

[@X33Ultras0und]

What I learned from this video. 1: Dying next to the things the enemy wants to take will make them take it faster and easier as they're already right beside it. 2: Dying as a VIP carry is never worth (unless it is a 1 for 5 or something) 3: the enemies side of the map is safer to farm when losing. Which also causes you to not accidentally go against rule #1.

[@psdelux]

need more content jenkins, i want more down and dirty info on the meta

[@iamthinking3278]

yes, now I need a teammate who don't tip every time I die making space

[@danehopwood4198]

They are just letting you know how good a job you re doing.

[@casecold1864]

The tips stop if you continue to provide space.

[@bahmandooly6163]

this guy wont ever go out of content

[@SarcaZmOn]

One of the best Jenkins vids if not the best one.

[@door5026]

love that outro dude xD

[@robbietadeo9909]

Your content is always the best at tricking people into learning. Best channel to learn from.

[@Falcons8455]

this video is incredibly helpful!

[@krausthowzer7461]

Thanks for another amazing guide Jenkins. Always love to see you do this for us plebs. :)

[@gcavrubio]

Very well explained. Thank you for making this!

[@vlazed4809]

I was cracking up when you said "I WAS THAT MORON" KEKW

[@johnmichaelgabrentina1245]

Now I am expecting this input in your next herald gameplay review. Indepth analysis on space created moment.

[@Lui420.]

4/4 i think i did well on paying attention on jenkins classes. Ty

[@mairisberzins8677]

The clip with the weaver :D The gold deficit went from 8k to 9k upon weavers death. "SPACE CREATED!"

[@Sotanath86q]

So once my team's behind because I lost mid, constantly running down mid to die at their T2 and dying is space creation?

[@CestTriggerFilmsUnorro]

no

[@hegeliansours1312]

Look at the 3rd clip.

[@gairyuki1440]

You just need to drag the game enough time for your team to farm their items, basically force them waste their resources like tp or wards or even their best skills on you

[@EthVortexShield]

Make sure you hit towers and deward them too

[@CrizzyEyes]

Running down mid to create space is a dumb idea because mid is the shortest lane in the game. If you go to a side lane, it forces people to move around a lot more, and it gives you more chances to juke, further wasting time.

[@JunedKangTipu]

first thing to determine whether is it feed or creating space is your death worthy. if it can save your carry from bad ganking yes, sometimes you created space to prevent enemy gank your carry.

[@Yanoor]

Now i feed smartly) thanks

[@watermelon9801]

The pudge tumbling at the start made me like the video

[@PersikLovesU]

I am proud and a little sad, but Jenkins videos don't seem to help me progress anymore. I'm 7100 and Jenkins was a big part of this, but I finally feel like I know all the right answers to any questions raised in the videos. Thank you Andrew, I'll still watch every single one of your future videos ♡

[@richardcorleone3151]

That is awesome dude, i cant even reach 2k mmr :/

[@benjaminjernfors]

In herald you can create a whole universe for team to invade enemy side of the map or take objectives and the response will always be "report supp no wards".

[@RamonNZ]

When the carry died I got that one right. The other 3 were situations that I wasn't 100% sure on, but I was more or less right but not for clear enough reasons. Thanks.

[@woshigepro2]

I realise in legend bracket, people are afraid to go to enemy side to farm. So we slowly choke to death or depends on stupid highground push from enemy.

[@elliejohnson2786]

I actually got all these correct, which I'm definitely surprised by. I didn't think I understood these situations as well as I did, so that's at least a SINGLE concept I got right in four specific situations.

[@SweetoDoggo]

i knew which is which but this video made me understand it better thanks jenkins

[@G32352443]

Jenkins is a national treasure and he didn't pay me to write this

[@sebastianryan231]

It'd be great if you can show the immediate impact (30s - 3 mins) after weavers space creation

[@androsforever500]

I climbed so much mmr back in 2015 playing offlane solo brood, often 3v1, sometimes getting chased through the trees by the whole enemy team wasting dusts and wards, and more often than not dominating the lane regardless because of level surplus and good timing catching enemy heroes momentarily isolated. Was top 100 on brood husk and invo back then, now I started playing again and brood mid is the best role. Easily take t1 by lvl 6-7, then proceed to dominate the enemy jungle/safe lane forcing their carry to rely on ancient camps that if my pos5 is smart will have warded/blocked. That creates a huge deficit in the enemy team and leads to an easy early 20 min push centric game where the enemy is heavily underleveled/underfarmed.

[@Synthious]

This was...incredibly helpful

[@acerzn]

I am now commenting on every video Jenkins upload.

[@robmalang2405]

Me: Actually feeds the game literally 1 second later: Uses the space created chatwheel

[@wiizardx]

the third one, i actually do those things even as a core or as a carry. staying in base is a sore lose vs a farmed team with my team too scared to create space for you. as much as it is a feed, it forces a tp or several tps. its easy to fuck up though if you dont bring enough wards. and he overextended by 1-2 secs. if he got two tps or if he at least lived, then it was worth it. I'm looking at his play style more as a gamble because they are already "losing". The lack of bkb and having two farming items late in the game is very greedy for void and he could have itemized better(either yasha or midas but not both, then bkb). The midas on doom as well makes them very weak early-mid. But unless radiant can end in the next 10-20mins, i think dire still has a very high chance especially with tinker as their defender especially if this is a low rank game. we actually lost recently when our team was very strong and trying to push but failed because the enemy carry cut waves and was strong enough to avoid us and split but we cant really kill him unless we got 3v1.

[@Solohabiauntunel]

Oh no the spirit of heralds has taken hold into him

[@Andytlp]

basically if the enemy is 5 manning you dont 5 man back if your team is behind in networth or your draft sucks. You split and push side lanes. Force them to come and get you. Make space by forcing them to chase 300 gold kills when they could be farming 1000 in the same time. Play elusive heroes like weaver, puck, slark, np, night stalker, mk. Anyone that takes far more than 1 hero to catch reliably. If u dictate whether they can push hg or not then youve already won.

[@casecold1864]

This is a great synopsis of winning gameplay.

[@maxwelltheluxray861]

thank u jenkins for teaching me feed and space after playing as pos5 shamaj with 11 deaths and still win

[@Painbow]

Thank you Jenkins senpai

[@mostuselessmanofalltime]

I literally don’t even play DotA normal draft. But I’m going to use this information. Thank you. 🙏

[@alleyztak]

AD?

[@ddenozor]

I'll respond "Bruh,did you even watch Jenkin's video? I'm creating space for you to farm." when I feed.

[@jeffraybae]

Fabtastic video that people in the archon legend brackets can really get a lot better at

[@pieroirribarren7003]

Thank you so f king much I can’t play solo now because I’m every f king game a np shows up in your name giving the carry “space” every single time

[@sajjadanghaf417]

Jenkin helps us to get better in feeding

[@BlaCkGuArD173]

4:42 it's btw. Polish actor Tomasz Ciachorowski

[@wyiamhodaifa2878]

Thank you this is called a good content video keep it up

[@WhitePerson-]

6:15 worthy for a chatwheel voiceline

[@cactus6616]

I always tried this but not perfectly. thanks for pointing out and make me realize my mistakes.

[@justpepe253]

Jenkins forgot to tell us about the sponsor of this video, BSJ.

[@lukiSpeedy98]

Every feeder now: *I'm making space !*

[@nikitos_xyz]

Man u r good enough! Pls more same teaching videos. Best regards

[@DarrenStevensohnOfficial]

idk but for me, to put it simple, if you gain something from your death, wether if it is objectives, map control, or net worth, then you are making space. but on the other hand if you death cause you to lose any of those things i mentioned above, then you are feeding. Forcing a bunch of enemy heroes to clog up one lane while trying to kill you means that the other 2 lanes are free for your teams to be taking, and this is become so much more valuable when you are doing it from a support position.

[@oneeyedking6571]

0:50 had me dying rofl i didnt expect that

[@clarkmeyer7211]

this is actually really good list of rules that I hope the "space created" feeders listen to. The rules can definitely be expanded upon but its basis is really well put and I can only hope its going to save me from the animals I get in my games

[@patbateman69420]

I've learned most of these by playing Prophet and feeding a bunch, and then in later games I learned to create space and force rotations without feeding (as much).

[@humha7613]

I didn't even play dota anymore, yet this is still useful.

[@casecold1864]

you feed wife or kids?

[@jreverie7018]

Learnt a lot thanks!!

[@huehue7106]

ty jenkins.. learned alot.

[@peaceofmind5819]

Something to consider. The Void could have lived that if one of two things happened. One, he was on str treads. Two, if he casted Q directly in front of him. Why? He literally DIED to the time it took to turn to Q to the right. H was frames away from living but the turn rate fucked him over.

[@petrow1tch196]

I play exclusively following your advices and my current MMR is 770. Was 740 before, so thank you!

[@kunxv15]

hey there Insania nice video mate

[@fernandocenteno5750]

Correct me if Im wrong but in the first clip, I don't think its a feed. Hear me out:I think the dire were smoked and lesh broke the smoke, Sven was going to get ganked and the lesh prevented that, also puck and pango used ulty to kill him. I am not saying this is space, but I think its a necessary feed in order for the fight to be good

[@AbhinavLal85]

Thanks Jenkins!

[@JoNarDLoLz]

Thanks Jenkins, I can now tactical feed for my tema

[@tanyewestt]

wow thank you so much. this makes me a little better pos 4-5.

[@benjapincheira3044]

Thanks!! Now I can feed like a professional

[@theuglydeko8190]

The title is what inspires SEA server

[@QuarterFrost]

Thanks Jenkins Dota (Canada) I have now learned to never feed in my pubs ever again.

[@kevinibanez7334]

thankyou jenkins

Hello Jenkins!, i would love if you would be so kind and review our Herald match which lasted 94 minutes with mega creeps at 38 minutes, we made a really good comeback! it was a really intense match and an amazing finish. Match ID: 6273547285 [Time stamps] 0:00 FB 19:15 radiant smoke gank 38:45 mega creeps 46:30 rampage 61:00 first sign of comback possible 94:22 clutch [Roshans]:7 dire 19k gold lead, radiant 81k gold lead at the end [Team fights] 8:00 10:15 13:05 16:15 20:10 21:15 24:40 26:05 27:30 35:20 38:45 39:50 75:20 76:30 77:20 84:10 [Big teamfights] 21:15 29:20 31:40 33:40 37:20 42:30 46:00 49:55 54:10 59:10 64:50 69:40 82:35 88:00 92:00 93:15 final fight

[@noreason5309]

The first clip just straight up a murder

[@willmueller4984]

Update to a previous comment I posted. You can use a controller with your feet to control the camera.

[@Jenkins69]

lmao ty for the update keep me posted on future revelations

[@huh4484]

The great AdmiralBulldog once said "It is ok to die"

[@rostamostmann9657]

"Our boy Windranger".

[@cyberpsykoh6686]

I guess… my recent teammates watched this video… ffs Jenkiiiiiiiiiiiins!!!

[@aryabarry7127]

at the and of the day, dont event think to die. creating a space while not dying is much more valuable

[@DestronGaming1213]

Love this type of vid

[@SlightRNG]

Sick vid. Kinda crazy that I knew this stuff back in Dota 1 on GGC when I was playing seriously and players still don't quite understand it. I'm washed up and dont play anymore, but I still pulled a 4/4. Thanks for the great educational content, Jenkins!

[@triumpusgolenius4833]

Every time Jenkins upload a video my mmr increase. Now i'm ready to rank up

[@PatronemExChao]

absolutely vital strat, gotta feed those towers

[@waterbottler8782]

1:58 slark farmed like 1 camp and would have done so whether or not wr fed

[@antusm]

Hello

[@ridzuanmustaffa]

After watching this video, my conclusion is its okay to give space for your team to farm etc, but you need to keep alive as well by not let enemy team earn gold by killing you

[@manafon5398]

That's the best case scenario but yeah, he doesn't go on full detail but "making space" should be the role of the player who's less meaningful to the game and can waste the most resources (gold, spells, time) from the other team, that could be a nature prophet even though there's a support, or a hero that despite being in pos 1,2 or 3, is so countered or behind in the game that even if they farm they would come up short anyway.