Why Glee’s Mr. Schue Is A Terrible Teacher

[@thetake]

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[@StrikerVaskin]

Hi, could you guys please do a video on this topic? Women getting impregnated by aliens in horror/sci-fi movies. Women turning into bloated hives for alien reproduction. Misogynist, sexist, rape culture or pushing a fear of aliens? Is it possible to make a good alien horror movie without resorting to women getting impregnated by aliens?

[@FotoPhreak12]

@@StrikerVaskin Joss Wheadon must be addressed in that one

[@katherinerojas5504]

@@StrikerVaskin that’s such an interesting topic I never thought about that!

[@StrikerVaskin]

@@katherinerojas5504 Yeah and not just aliens, there's impregnation by demons, evil cult members, etc. Men in horror movies could get impregnated by some otherworldly seductress. I guess it's all just a matter of using your instincts and awareness to save your life.

[@DrMike18]

Mr. Schue is that teacher you think is really cool when you're in high school, but as an adult you realize that he was a walking red flag and should probably be investigated by the police.

[@trinaq]

Precisely, I'm STILL salty about the fact that he got away with planting drugs on one of his students to blackmail him into joining the Glee Club! 🙄

[@alistairt7544]

Exactly!

[@Bunny-zk5dn]

My schools “cool teacher” did get investigated and now he’s a registered sex offender

[@katphish30]

@@Bunny-zk5dn The "cool" teacher doesn't always get caught, but they're usually a sex offender or selling controlled/illegal substances to students. The really ambitious ones are both.

[@DrMike18]

@@katphish30 And they’re usually the drama teacher or a coach on one of the sports’ teams.

[@THESMOSHTIME]

A teacher who has students as “friends” (and not people their age) is always a red flag 🚩🚩

[@GameOn71213]

Can we talk about how right Sue was

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

wasn't Beiste his friend?

[@stephaniemoura3214]

I'm a 26 year old teacher who has students about my age (some are even older than me) and being friends with my students is still off limits. No matter the age gap, befriending your students is forbidden, but it's even more bewildering when it's an adult-underage relationship. Just... no.

[@heroshinx693]

Funny, cause I saw some seniors 'begging' a teacher to be their friend on my way home one day, they said that outside of school, he not a teacher so they can be friends ,the teacher just ignored them though lol,maybe the teacher is used to students doing this grades

[@carlrood4457]

I'm reminded of a substitute we had at my high school my senior year. She was about 5 years older than us and just graduated college. I remember because my older brother started substituting the same year. All the guys loved her and all the girls hated her because she dress like a 22 year old in 1985 and flirted with the guys. I had her for a solid week in Spanish class, which meant she was pretty much there to take attendance. Looking back, it wasn't appropriate and even then wouldn't have flown if the gender were reversed. She was around the remainder of the school year, but since I graduated I don't know if she continued to sub or actually became a teacher as my brother did. At the time, they just needed bodies to cover for absences and in high school weren't looking to have them teach.

[@theressarose5897]

when he punished Marley because she didn’t wanna wear an inappropriate outfit was so insane lmaoo

[@trinaq]

Precisely, Marley was a minor, and quite within her right to refuse to wear a revealing outfit for a school assembly, yet she got punished for merely voicing her opinion?!

[@geniehossain3738]

Rachel should have been punished at least weekly for her shitty attitude. Shue had no spine when it came to her or Finn, but he’d punish everyone else for ridiculous things.

[@theressarose5897]

@@geniehossain3738 EXACTLY!! he only punished her once when she was being a really bad sport but that’s literally it. that man needed to be fired

[@fairieprincessflutterspark1330]

I saw a clip of that scene and, after finding the full scene and watching it, I was so uncomfortable that I decided I could never watch Glee. It made my skin crawl.

[@masonsantos5552]

@@geniehossain3738 exactly, when he punishes people it often makes no sense and when the time comes where it would be justifiable to punish people he doesn't. He doesn't do anything when Finn straight up punched Puck or when Kitty gave Marley an ED or when Kurt was very obviously bullied, but he tried suspending Santana for slapping Finn after he outed her because they have "0 tolerance for violence" and punished Marley for not wearing a bikini.

[@tecc]

Imagine: you’re seventeen and your school will be performing a play that you’re excited to participate in. You go and audition for the main role, a character that means a lot to you. You think you did well. Then casting comes out and you find out the theatre teacher decided to take the lead role for them self.

[@gahyeonsupremacy]

that’s literally my school… except it’s the conservatory theater students who get lead roles while the “normal” theater kids either gets cast in ensemble or gets nothing at all

[@olivias9480]

I've never had interest in being a lead or any main roles, but I have noticed at my school that our musical directing teacher has a bad case of nepotism. She basically picked the shows we did for her favourites and had casted the entire show before auditions.

[@gahyeonsupremacy]

@@olivias9480 MY SCHOOL IS HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM!! The only difference is the choir director cast her daughter as the lead, and people were super pissed because she isn’t that talented.

[@mrcakeday1439]

@@olivias9480 that’s favoritism. Nepotism implies there is a family dynamic.

[@716_ハディくん]

@@mrcakeday1439 same thing

[@selectedshipper8282]

I screamed with joy when Santana dragged the shit out of him

[@CaribbeanCitizen]

Santana dragging Schue and Rachel are both iconic moments

[@franfrankie7]

I love your profile pic

[@moustik31]

I hate when Glee does that: they make an episode about a flaw in the show's writing and then keep on going without making any change.

[@Eman-vp6ju]

@Mark W of course this terrible take is coming from a Mark lmao

[@theonlymaryam]

I don't know who Santana is but good for that person. 💟💟

[@Allonsy305]

It's almost hilarious how Sue had the glee club's back more than their actual coach.

[@trinaq]

Precisely, Sue made complete sense when she fired Will, because he didn't seem to really care about his students' wellbeing.

[@JuanTorres-ke5ul]

She wanted to shoot students from a canon

[@xx___x]

Yeah no she was literally physically abusive towards students. They both sucked

[@Stephh99]

@@xx___x Yeah, I feel like people glorify Sue over Mr Schue, but she was also a terrible person and teacher...

[@starsurvivor]

No...she didn't....

[@TheLeah2344]

Sue was right about Mr Schue. He should have been arrested for planting drugs on Finn to blackmail him.

[@BirdOnATypwriter]

@Jean Jacques I barely watched glee, wtf is that school?

[@eduardochavacano]

Schue is clearly homosexual. He was so into Finn.

[@morbidsearch]

@@eduardochavacano Nah, Schue's inappropriate friendship with Finn was mostly about him refusing to grow up and trying to relive his high school days.

[@Skye.2000]

One of the most disrespectful things he has ever done? Mike Chang was his best lead dancer and he only thing he ever requested: performing Footloose Mr Shue: performs it without him 🙄

[@EmilyCarrollCello]

Mike got robbed!! His dance numbers with Santana were my favorite parts of the show. I stopped watching when they performed practically every number from West Side Story EXCEPT Mambo.

[@MichellaneousMe]

This was the breaking point for me!! Mike deserved to sing that song and NOT Shue!!

[@mayathefilmer4283]

EXACTLY I'VE BEEN SAYING THISS

[@iamtheaceupmysleeve1687]

@@EmilyCarrollCello and his numbers with Brittney!! They were such a great dance pair

[@EmilyCarrollCello]

@I AM the ACE up my sleeve YES!! Their Valerie dance was my fave. Well if it's any consolation, at least he now has Raccacoonie on his resume...

[@trinity3877]

I still don’t know if the “you’re all minorities “ was supposed to be satirical or the writers were trying to be deep .

[@omnibussy]

it's really impossible to tell with this specific writing team

[@Nightman221k]

It’s Ryan Murphy. You can take the worst case scenario and roll with it on the fact that every show he’s involved with is a mess of horrible tropes.

[@internetgal38]

that line makes me laugh so hard, it was probably meant to be geniune lmao, so funny

[@trinaq]

It was probably trying to be deep, but you can never tell with these writers!

[@cgrenadier]

Out of touch white writing team attempting to be deep.

[@ThatGuyWithAComment]

I will never get over that twerking episode, the fact he actually went before the school board to justify the students right to twerk should’ve been an instant firing, worst episode by far

[@springgreengoober]

Also the fact that he refused to give unique a safe bathroom when she was being bullied because he thought "twerking" was more important.

[@lstarsabb]

That was honesty when I stopped watching the show I was upset when he suspended Marley for not were just bra and underwear for a class assignment but the twerking episode just turned me completely off the show.

[@karennotAkaren1]

@@springgreengoober but that’s exactly why they didn’t twerk after winning the right to from the school board. He said they wouldn’t so sue would get rid of the port a potty and then gave unique the key to staff bathroom 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@karennotAkaren1]

@@lstarsabb although that is the outfit the kids were saying Marley should wear technically she got in trouble for being Katie instead of Gaga she could have chosen a more conservative Gaga outfit

[@karennotAkaren1]

Not saying he is a good or moral teacher. Just pointing out stuff

[@trinaq]

From the very first episode, where Will plants drugs in Finn's locker to blackmail him into joining the Glee Club, I knew that Will was a creeper. He basically jeopardises a minor's future, and doesn't even seem to care. And later on, when Will FINALLY tells Finn the truth, Finn's only response is to laugh and say "You're the coolest, Mr Schue." Emm... WHAT?! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@liamellis-mergl8065]

What makes it worse is that right before he does this he was watching as Finn was singing in the shower. Even if he didn't see his privates or whatever, that's still super creepy

[@AlexandriatheRed]

This show started as a satire and when it morphed into sincere around season 3, all their problematic characters became an issue.

[@Jacquibaffico]

Yes! Like, at first they are all supossed to be awful and cringy, it was the whole point, and that's why it was so funny. But then it started becoming the very thing they were satirizing... and nothing made sense anymore.

[@highonshortcake6375]

@@Jacquibaffico you put this perfectly

[@samwilliams9919]

Yeah that’s the main issue with series, halfway through they seemed to forgot they were a dark comedy satire which is where most of the criticism comes from as they kept the offensive character types but not the satirical tone

[@salyx]

Yep.

[@mikemorro140]

@@samwilliams9919 Eh I think the problem was even in the later seasons they were satirical but they wanted to do serious stories as well

[@renzer1432]

This video is on point. Sue is definitely not an ideal teacher either but her criticisms of him are pretty valid. Also I loved how Sue's relationship with Becky and with her sister. I always found Will pretty cringey. I would love to see an episode on Emma Pillsbury. She struggled with her mental health but she always seemed to be the most reasonable educator in the school. She struggled but she worked so hard for herself. She was also really good with the students in her own way and she was my favourite teacher at the school. I'm glad she got tenure over Will.

[@rickwrites2612]

dude she uses slurs on and physically assaults students for no reason. Shue and Sue are both terrible and would be fired if not arrested in any real setting.

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

@@rickwrites2612 hush don’t ruin this moment

[@renzer1432]

@@rickwrites2612 yes. I agree with you. That's why I wrote in my comment "Sue is definitely not an ideal teacher...". Of course they're both terrible. They're terrible for different reasons. If you have a sick sense of humour like me, Sue is pretty entertaining even though she's literally a terrible teacher. However my sick sense of humour cannot get me to enjoy Shue.

[@masonsantos5552]

@@rickwrites2612 this was what the early 2010s? Slurs weren't a big thing back then and I don't think she really used any slurs either way.

[@babu357]

@@masonsantos5552 Slurs weren't a big thing back then? lol It was only 10 years ago and yes they were.

[@MariaLuisa-le1rf]

it is really interesting that as kid watching glee never have i questioned mr. schue's behavior, i used to think he was such a cool teacher lmao only when i rewatched it a few years later i realized how much of a creepy he actually was

[@trinaq]

Me too, he was talked up as a great teacher, when the kids could say horrible things about each other IN FRONT of him, and he'd barely even react!

[@silverfoxchain]

Omg i questioned it from his 1st scenes!

[@alistairt7544]

Yeah same. Then we all grew up, matured(somewhat lol), and see his character in a more critical way. His character is really creepy if you look past him being that 'cool' teacher. Just imagine how many these "cool" teachers out there atm and who knows how many have already crossed that line with students 😬 Yikes!

[@aeoligarlic4024]

I was already 19 when this show became popular and even i back then didn't think too much of it lol no wonder as i got older i steadily became annoyed with this show

[@heroshinx693]

He reminds me of my ex English teacher who loves to talk about trending stuff but never teach properly without going off the rails and talk about unrelated stuff .When people asked her question, she gets mad and punish,leaving some students who resent her(people still like her despite seeing their friends being punished) . I guess many students like her and called her the best teacher because usually English gets boring quickly so she was a nice change but in exam, everyone panic and curse her as she never teach properly and the technique were really important but we were unsure so everyone kind of fail and she blame us for it, like there a reason why you are hired which is to teach

[@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339]

Mr. Schue is the epitome of "I was never cool in HS, so I try my best to seem cool now". Such people have no right to be educators, especially to easily influenced teens!

[@tannorhighroller7517]

did you only watch the first story arc?? lol

[@716_ハディくん]

@@tannorhighroller7517 i though glee only get worse lmao

[@tannorhighroller7517]

@@716_ハディくん by season not by episode

[@scorpioigor]

Another point being is that Mr. Schue's best ideas are almost always from other people who basically tell him what he needs to do, like when Emma criticizes him for always highlighting Finn and Rachel, which prompts him into giving solos to other members of the club, or when Beiste suggests that the bullying problem at the school could be resolved by forcing the kids to work together towards the same goal, which happens at the Super Bowl episode. Sue always points him towards the right direction as well, and a lot of his lessons were improvised on the spot based on conversations he had with his peers right before class started.

[@larissabrglum3856]

In The Boys, there's a scene that seems almost like a direct response to the scene where Mr. Schu basically calls a student selfish for not wanting to wear a risqué outfit. The dialogue in The Boys, occurring between one of the main characters and her boss, is essentially the same, but the boss is framed as being in the wrong.

[@caseyaugust1846]

Mr. Schue vs. Homelander: who would win?

[@monochromatic_melodramatic]

@@caseyaugust1846 I don't think Homelander would be against Mr Shue i think he'd agree with him

[@АннаКубалова-г5о]

kshamwhizzle, a very strong dislike

[@rahbeeuh]

@@monochromatic_melodramatic you might be right lol

[@MoskHotel]

Butcher: “This bloke is such a creepy c**t.”

[@sam_humanvariant]

Anybody else get chills when you realize how many of those actors are dead now? It's like an uncanny valley bc the show is not nearly old enough for those young people to be dead already.

[@Feliciatanktop]

I try not to think about it tbh

[@qseued]

I temporarily forgot about that…

[@nfernandes1765]

i was so sad when Santana's actress died. She was one of my favorites, she played Santana so well and put so many emotions into a character that didn't have enough spotlight. And before that, when Cory Monteith died, i literally couldn't bring myself to finish the show after the episode about his passing. It took me a good couple years before I went back and finished Glee, not because i liked it (because the show really took a horrible dive with story telling) but because i wanted to finish it for Cory :'(

[@lizanya6433]

isn’t it three? cory, mark, and naya? i feel like i’m forgetting someone, but yeah sometimes that reality hits me while i watch the show and my stomach fills with sand.

[@liapalmer381]

@@lizanya6433 yeah, mark, too. But no-one wants to think about him considering what he did

[@HerHollyness]

When I was a kid watching Glee I used to wonder why none of my teachers were ‘cool’ like Mr Schue. Then I grew up and became a teacher myself and realised why. He is the worst ‘teacher’ I’ve ever seen and should have been fired for his inappropriate behaviour on multiple occasions.

[@lionheartderrick]

Mr. Shue is like the main reason people think teachers are grooming kids

[@dayshawnalexander5654]

We been knew. He’s a narcissist without the acclaim and success. It was never about teaching, it was his last chance to be mentioned on a Wikipedia page and Rachel Berry was the most likely to make that happen for him.

[@dayshawnalexander5654]

Bonus points, the kids are too young to realize all the stories about his success and talent have been exaggerated.

[@gahyeonsupremacy]

@@dayshawnalexander5654 if you look at it that way, I think Santana was the only one who can see through him

[@iamtheaceupmysleeve1687]

@@gahyeonsupremacy when rewatching the series I saw that she wasn’t awful she just saw through him. The episode with the truly horrific version of “A Little Less Conversation” really showed her as not the b*tchy one but the girl who saw through him. Also when SHE was punished for slapping Fin after outing her. When… Fin outed her. It shows his clear favouritism and Santana and Tina at times saw through all of this.

[@MegaMegafran]

He totally was a narcissist who failed at the career he wanted bc he didnt have the talent to make it big. Lets face it even if you have the talent theres like only like a 1% chance you'll make it big and even less than that if you want to stay big, so what are the chances for someone with halfbaked talent would ever succeed? His old glory days were porbably just a warped up distorted version of what it really was, think about it if the choir in those days was so great how come noone actually made it big?, my guess is he had a case of "Rosy retrospection" where he remembers the old glee club as better and more talented than they actually were bc he was happy and hopeful. Its why we remember our childhood as great even though there was a lot of 💩 happening all the time

[@trinaq]

One thing that always annoyed me was when bullying happened in front of Will, and he'd just choose to ignore it. One instance is when Quinn causally quipped about punching Rachel in the face every time she speaks, and Will said and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! In real life, school administrators are supposed to take these things seriously, even if they're said in a joking way.

[@BioshadowX]

Ahahhahahaha you think teachers actually do anything about it in real life?

[@ann6878]

Exactly, I get that Rachel was hella annoying but the way everyone always used her as a punching bag while Mr Shu just watched never sat right.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Even after Kurt joins the Glee Club, Mr. Schue walks right past him being thrown into the dumpsters by Pucks and the other bullies. Schue ignored Kurt to the point that he had to change schools.

[@AirQuotes]

You're right but don't use that as an example. Rachel sucks

[@ziglaus]

please say you are kidding. school administrators are supposed to judge what to take seriously and what not, not just take every joke seriously. those would be the worst administrators ever

[@talithacrow7530]

The only faculty member that didn't make any huge mistakes was Coach Bieste

[@adam-l74]

Yup!

[@selenesspoilers6006]

And Emma

[@Isabelle-hv6ny]

@@selenesspoilers6006 She was against Sex Ed even though Quinn got pregnant in Season 1 which showed how important Sex Ed is

[@selenesspoilers6006]

@@Isabelle-hv6ny Awww shoot, never mind 😭

[@Isabelle-hv6ny]

@@selenesspoilers6006 But besides that she was really good. ^^

[@heathergaitan8473]

Seriously? She left John Stamos for him? I mean, I know they are characters, but really? It’s JOHN STAMOS!! I’m irrationally angry now…

[@alyssapinon9670]

Insert Bojack horseman screaming “STAaAAYY-MOooHHS!”

[@AirQuotes]

Ah well she's not well so that explains things

[@AveGoddess]

& i Love "Emma" & her quirks. But she's no Rebecca Romijn

[@alepolait8951]

If i remember correctly she didn't left John Stamos, they got married, but she couldn't consumate the marriage (her OCD and germaphobia) and they broke up.

[@MayBlake_Channel]

I don't think your anger is irrational at all

[@passiveagressive4983]

Can we separate the actor from the character. Apparently Mathew Morrison gets a lot of unnecessary online hate

[@unorthodoxblackgirl8112]

He really does. For a CHARACTER he played. People are very weird about that.

[@missdamenoir2830]

Well we can separate the character from the actor (Puck from Mark Salling) but not the actor from the character (Matthew from Shue). Double standards apparently.

[@droth1031]

Jack Gleeson (Joffrey from Game of Thrones): "First time?"

[@lorrie9462]

I didn’t know this. If anyone deserves criticism, it’s the writers. Dude just brought the character to life

[@LeeyaMakesNoise]

I agree with this only to an extent. I agree he should not being harassed and that actors sometimes rarely have very little control over how their characters are written. But those rules tend to change once shows/movies get more popular- the actors themselves get way more sway in influencing what they are comfortable with portraying and something tells me he was liked/never had a problem with how Mr.Shue was written since it ultimately allowed him more performing/air time. I remember him trying to push his own flopped albums and it always felt cringe to me.

[@lilil9752]

The Marley thing was really unforgivable ,i wouldn't put a foot back on his glee club and would have tried looking for a singing group outside the school. Edit: alright, calm down. I like Sue a lot, but let´s not act as if she is not a bad teacher at well, just in a more obvious way, coach Roz,Bestie and Emma were the actually good staff at glee

[@monochromatic_melodramatic]

@China Laughton Emma was reasonable enough when advising Will and sometimes her pamphlets worked and that's all they thought was good enough to portray her as actually good at her job and all other efforts were just to make her Will's love interest. If you take that away she sucks at advising or guiding kids.

[@zacharywood9416]

You got two replies, no need to say "alright alright, calm down" lmao

[@lilil9752]

Wathing Glee for myself, he is not completely horrible and had good momments, but he is such a man child ,too inmature to trust educate vulnerable high schoolers and prioritizes himself mostly (which is not bad as in his personal life , but as an educator it definitely is) ,he had to undestand he was NOT one of the kids.Edit: Now i remember that teacher in American Vandal that tried to "be on with the fellow kids" but students preferred the most mature and strict teachers over him AND he got suspended for calling a minor student "hot"

[@tahraethestoryteller6079]

was that in the show or real life?

[@lilil9752]

@@tahraethestoryteller6079 In the show

[@lionheartderrick]

Sounds kinda like grooming

[@GiulianaBruna]

The show feels satirical now, as a lot of comments argue, but back them I remember people talking about it like it was serious. It wasn't Always Sunny in Philadelphia. People appeared on interviews talking about how inspiring and ground breaking it was. And in some cases it was, some serious important conversations and lots of representation we hadn't previously had. We can't just decide the problematic stuff was satire and the good stuff was not.

[@RomanZolanski123]

It’s weird isn’t it. Glee was partially satirical. (Flashback to when Sue basically cosplaying these conservative news networks saying “I prefer to think of the homeless as outdoorsy 😉”). The flaws of Wills character was not though in my opinion. Especially when he yelled at Marley for not dressing provocatively. And the way he favourited Rachel. Part of me thinks he was Ryan Murphy’s self insert. He’s one example of where the writers ignorance/insensitivity/idiocy just become that much more apparent and unavoidable.

[@EmilyCarrollCello]

Community and Parks and Rec debuted the same year as Glee (P&R was a spring premiere) I was a Day One fan of both, but I couldn’t find anyone at my college who had seen them. Glee was the new show EVERYONE was talking about.

[@juliacaceres3538]

I totally agree with your comment but not necessarily in relation to Glee. Glee, at least in the first season, was genuinely meant to be satire. Of course there were some more heartfelt moments that weren't but I think a lot of Will's creepy moments were put in with that intent. I.e. in the first episode when he shows Finn the drugs he found and then the shot zooms to a sign that says "Priority: Help the kids". You can see it in this video at 0:30

[@stephanies3281]

Yes! A great chunk of the glee tour movie featured fans saying how moving and inspiring the show is to them. And that was only after two seasons

[@karennotAkaren1]

@@juliacaceres3538 yes! Or the fact that the Cheerios wore their uniform everywhere. And I don’t just mean to school. The day they did the Xmas special they literally had to change INTO their UNIFORM to go to the homeless shelter like it wasn’t a school day. You were just on a tv show why you in uniform 💀 hahahaha. I mean that was not a show taking itself seriously

[@Valentina-ng4hh]

Back then I thought Will was cool but then I walked away from the show. When coming back to it, yeah Will is horrible. He coddled Rachel and got after a girl that was bulimic for not wanting to wear a shell bikini.

[@stephanieclark8327]

I really wouldn't call what Will did to Rachel 'coddling'. Maybe he did after season two (the last season I ever watched) but from what I remembered of Glee he used to swing wildly from praising Rachel's talents to not only happily letting the other kids shit all over on her but joining in. If Mercedes wasn't so upset about not having a solo she'll probably realise it's a good thing she's not the 'favourite' of such a finicky back stabbing git.

[@letyv_]

I had a teacher in high school for the art class who used to act like Mr. Schue. He wanted to help us with everything and sometimes messed up in the problems of my classmates. At that time we didn’t notice how impropriate it was that he went to some of our parties outside school even if we didn’t invite him.

[@jaycievictory8461]

He WHAT?! 😯

[@jazzy_sqm]

Oh noooo….

[@blacklight1104]

I'm no expert in psychology but he may have been trying to find students to groom.

[@jameswhelan9979]

You should probably report that teacher to the police.

[@Feliciatanktop]

Does he still work there??

[@alicequinnordonez10]

Suspended a student who had bulimia for not wearing a BIKINI, forcing her to wear one as it is would have been bad, the other... We have to point out Rachel sent a student to a crack house cuz she was jealous of her voice and faced nothing, so you also realize his nepotism.

[@MegaMegafran]

It was more of turning a blind eye to his favourite student bc in his head she had the talent to make it big and if she succeeded then in a way so does he, and therefore his life has some semblance of purpose where he didnt squandered his adult life in a dead end job he never wanted but was forced to take as a last resort. He always seemed to forget it was an extracurricular club, it was suppossed to be fun for the kids to develope their artistic sides, not a way for him to fill the void and escape his midlife crisis. Some guys leave their wives and hook up with the hot yoga instructor, others get a highend sports car, he got waaaaay too inappropiate with teenagers.😨😱 I pray for the car when I get my midlife crisis😦🙏🏻

[@alicequinnordonez10]

@@MegaMegafran I swear

[@TheITinFIT]

The Community parody of Glee is spot-on. They saw the show for the BS it was.

[@Kathywake23]

And now I must watch this. Thank you.

[@Ergoperidot]

We’re a SHOO-IN for REGIONALS, RIGHT?!?!?

[@alexanderguerrero347]

Again the show never really said it was anything bigger than a regular school drama

[@EmilyCarrollCello]

I love how it morphed into Invasion of the Body Snatchers right under our noses. It was definitely a "You had to be there" kind of episode, but during that cultural moment when everyone was weirdly obsessed with Glee, it was perfection.

[@dragnet42]

Equal parts Hanson and Manson

[@aly2222]

I mean... he's a Ryan Murphy character in a Ryan Murphy show... very few of his characters are 'good' people.

[@NA86737]

And in a Murphy show the obvious villain is allowed to get away with murder (literally a lot of the time). Murphy likes evil and the glam of it. He's a cliche as a gay creative.

[@azuki_O]

Oh........ It makes sense..... I never liked the show because i thought you were supposed to genuinely like the characters but.... It makes sense if it hey're supposed to be unlikeable!!!

[@roddersrodders]

I mean... this is a Ryan Murphy series... You can't expect character development, or any character to make the slightest of sense under even the smallest amount of scrutiny...

[@abandonedfragmentofhope5415]

That's camp for you.

[@DeeL3]

And these are the facts of America. Any time someone starts to show growth, they do a complete 360 and are back at square one.

[@february1796]

@@abandonedfragmentofhope5415 Couldn't have said it better. Ryan Murphy's ability to retract surrealism is truly admirable. You could think the characters on his shows are exaggerated or inexistent but oh dear, they do exist and he does such an incredible job to portray them in fiction.

[@abandonedfragmentofhope5415]

@@february1796 He needs to find a balance between camp and seriousness. He lacks the ability to do so. His characters go for the exaggerated to the point of inappropriateness. You need to know when going too far is too far and when not to. Giving commentary through Sue is just an easy cop out especially since she does questionable things. If lines like "Kill everyone now." and "I love doggy chow." is part of how camp operates then you'll get questionable characters regardless. Striking a balance is what's needed if you don't want your work to come off totally creepy. Pose does it well, Glee not so much. Scream Queens it fits because the characters are suppose to be questionable.

[@thabimajija856]

Oh Mr Schue... yeah, haven't even seen the video and I'm already replaying his *best* moments

[@dinosaysrawr]

Glee was weird because it felt like most of the prominent adults should've had lawsuits, HR complaints, or criminal charges filed against them, and because a lot of its "woke" themes and portrayals of queer people, people with disabilities, and people of colour were actually pretty (as the kids today would say) proooooblematic and sometimes downright icky.

[@iamafish7]

My Sonic fanfic was more woke than the shit they were peddling.

[@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb]

The show had its moments but a good amount of it was definitely problematic. I could not have been made the way it was today.

[@pezdispenser8397]

@@iamafish7 drop the link. I’m trynna read it

[@Dm34421]

Mr Schue lacked boundaries with his students.

[@adambirch6466]

Almost anyone who grew up in the evangelical cult, but has since left it, will recognize a lot of similarities between Will and your garden variety youth pastor.

[@GoddesssofMind]

Ding ding ding. Nailed it.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Oh shit, I think you're right.

[@EmilyCarrollCello]

I wonder if Schue was filling that inspiring/intrusive authority figure void for those of us who were on the way out the door.

[@chrysalisamidst]

WOWOWOW

[@ciannacoleman5125]

What kind of youth pastors did you know? I don’t know any who are like Will

[@amyadams9970]

Coach Beasti was the best teacher in the show and deserve more screen time than Schue

[@Crimson28]

Will Schuester is a creeper because Ryan Murphy wrote him that way. Murphy is a big f***ing weirdo. The more I hear about the behind the scenes of this show, the more I wonder how all that drama was allowed to happen.

[@zaryamoon4906]

Love your profile pic

[@rinmartell2678]

This. While I enjoy most of Murphys shows I think that he is not only a weirdo but also a very toxic person.

[@AC-ze1nh]

I was honestly thinking that the other day... I watched Hollywood and I was like... um what? Why did Ryan Murphy give a redemption arc to a rapist? Then there's Shue and it's starting to get noticeably weird...

[@cindyversion1201]

He makes interesting shows but that doesn't quit that he seems to be a toxic boss and person in general, he was so unnecessary mean to Dianna Agron

[@lionheartderrick]

It does happen... I think it's called, "grooming" or something

[@chrissyr8387]

In conclusion Rachel and Mr. Schue are the worst characters of the show and Mr. Schue should be in prison 😑

[@droth1031]

And then we found out that she wasn't just Rachel on the show, but in real life as well...

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

And Rachel deserves to be working at a Starbucks, dying inside as she has to come to terms with how her personality annoyed people to the point of it killing her own dreams

[@lionheartderrick]

I think this is what they are talking about when they they talk about, "grooming" children

[@Victrola66]

Mr. Schue was nice at the beginning but I don't understand why the writers made him worse later, especially when in s1 he spoke Spanish.....and then later it turns out he doesn't know the subject he is teaching....

[@gensai93]

Didn't he blackmail a student in the very first episode?

[@RayKaiLover]

One of the things that pissed me off about Mr.Schue is when they went to Nationals in season 2. Mr.Schue left a group of minors alone in a hotel room in New York City so he could audition for a broadway show that April created. Something bad could of happened to the kids, like getting kidnapped or getting lost or mugged or beated up to near death or killed. Hell the hotel they were at could of been caught on fire or collapse for whatever reason. The parents put their trust in him to keep their children safe. Mr.Schue could have been fired and charged with child abandonment and endangerment. We all know Burt would go papa bear on Will's ass and take a flamethrower to the school if anything bad happens to Kurt.

[@nosferatussister4903]

So like Mr.Shue is basically Joe from “You” but instead if murders is musical performances.

[@hugzpls]

Basically like Joe?! Lmao! Not even close!

[@witchplease9695]

No…Joe is a stalker and murderer. Shue sucks but Joe is irredeemable.

[@nosferatussister4903]

I meant when it comes to impressing Emma and like trying to obtain her there’s like a small parallel, y’all calm down omg lol. Shue is like ‘Joe Lite’

[@lionheartderrick]

No... Mr shue is a groomer of children... Thank you for playing

[@lexsummers5714]

I’m glad you touched on how shit of a husband he was too. Can we talk about how he literally FORCED Emma to come out about her OCD diagnosis when she clearly wasn’t ready in the Born This Way episode? Grosses me out so much!

[@evan007rose]

my high school drama teacher had a lot of these qualities--she always treated students like her friends, which at the time we thought was kinda cool. Then in my senior year she got arrested for sleeping with a 15yo student...

[@danderson8431]

Same story, except it was middle school, and the boy was 13.

[@ladyofnoxus6733]

I'm very Happy my theater teacher was nothing like that and had boundaries.

[@ryanarment5393]

Him being willing to plant drugs in order to blackmail a student should be a good indicator of the kind of teacher and person he was.

[@kennedylynch4389]

In real life Matthew Morrison, who played Will Schuester, is a nice guy. In Glee, Mr. Schuester is a bad teacher. Actor/actress and character are not the same people.

[@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb]

That is true, I will say that sometimes actors can be very similar or even worse than the characters they play.

[@ECM24]

someone finally said it. that whole show raised a few eyebrows. also RIP Cory and Naya.

[@MakeupbyDe]

Haven’t even finished the video yet but yes!!

[@emmalang4954]

Never watched a huge amount of glee, but what I did I found myself getting annoyed/cringing when it came to will.

[@jayb8934]

I'm a teacher myself and when I watched Glee I just remember thinking how any one of the things he did on a weekly basis would be career ending. And yeah, even in the show it was pointed out that he was legitimately awful at the subject he was actually supposed to be teaching. I mean, Glee club is an extra-curricular. Even if he was actually the greatest glee coach in the world, it wouldn't make up for him being horribly incompetent and unqualified for the part of his job that he's actually being paid for! If he picks favourites even within his beloved glee club, imagine how neglected his non-glee students probably are. He probably doesn't even know their names.

[@selectedshipper8282]

Why do they always have Sue call him out? Like if you’re that self aware, just don’t do it!

[@highonshortcake6375]

RIGHT

[@nobody0-070]

Yesssssss I started rewatching Glee on Netflix to relive the nostalgia and I instantly disliked Mr. Shue. The favouritism on Rachel, the refusal to hear the kid's thoughts on songs (I mean he didn't even give Marley a chance to share). Not to mention the kids and school teachers seems to be his only friends and doesn't seem to have any other adult friends. I mean, who asks a high school student to be your best man for the wedding? That's weird af. He's not all bad, but sometimes I feel like he's overly praised as an amazing teacher.

[@Aldrius]

"So I planted the pot in your locker and blackmailed you into joining the glee club." What more even needs to be said?

[@Kayla-ly8rm]

He reminds me of the music teacher I had a huge crush on in highschool, and when we fell out while I was in the musical our biggest argument ended with us hugging and him telling me he loved me in the theater alone, and I didn't see anything inappropriate about that at 14, but lordddd do I see how he should've known better in retrespect.

[@sjn7688]

What?! I hadn't watched that episode, but he suspended a student because she didn't feel comfortable dancing on stage in a bikini? That's insane!

[@alanfernandez4521]

Worse that student was written to have struggles with body dismorphia and eating disorder addictions.

[@laurelelizabeth4965]

I was always so mad about him suspending Marley and the entire Blurred Lines era

[@katy9569]

I would say he's weird at the time and people acted like I was doing too much lol

[@TheDaniCalifornia1]

People defending Sue are hilarious, thinking she’s a good teacher forgetting everything she did and said to the kids. Also Mr Shue is kind of a bad teacher.

[@gahyeonsupremacy]

but at least she wasn’t a creep like mr schue

[@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb]

@Baby Doll Kurt and Blaine were adults when this happened. She was not an ideal or good teacher but like Mr. Shue she had her moments. They were both pretty problematic but Will is almost always written as the hero and he often does very creepy and inappropriate things. Sue does some problematic things too, no one is saying she's innocent but Mr. Shue is almost always doing something inappropriate and gross to or with his students and others.

[@poxidog]

The only thing I'd argue about is his reaction when he finds out his wife's been lying. She'd been gasslighting him, mentally abusing him for years by the looks of it, blatently using him financially, clearly wasn't a healthy relationships, and then he basically looses his child. He's grieving in that moment. His reaction isn't good but I think it's understandable, and he doesn't hit her, instead he goes away to calm down, that's the best anyone can do at times. We never see if he talked with her afterwards about why, but frankly the writing was on the wall long before that so divorce either way. Apart from that I think you got it spot on

[@Wormwoodification]

Also, he's that close because he's going to out her wearing that fake belly, by revealing it. It's not a threat of violence, it's a threat of ending the lie, and their marriage. People act like just because a dude's angry he's "being violent" or a threat. It's not true.

[@Kikiricki11]

True. His reaction was completely understandable.

[@justjoannak]

Agreed. Terri is *VERY* entitled & even says how she has no desire to do the bare minimum (she legit only worked 12 hrs/wk when they were married at minimum wage)

[@KarlaMartinez-eu1hg]

He makes me go ugh all the time.

[@Foxofthecloud]

Sue: "I'm here so shue can have an actual adult around"

[@marinakotova51]

Since you started making The takes on Glee, I would love to see a video on probably the most toxic tendency that fandom can have - shipping the real people. I think Glee's case was one the most prominent ones. It even affected the show. If Naya and Heather were quite okay with that and even joked around about Heya(due to being best friends in real life), it was clear that Chris hated it. I could see his discomfort with filming scenes with Darren in the later seasons. I assume it hit him harder than anyone else due to his very young age while the show was airing. This tendency of the fandom to think that they know what is best for the actors even led to probably the most horrible case i know so far. When Lea started dating after about 8 months after Cory´s death, people started to hate on her because they thought they can decide it too soon or not. The same thing happened with Nina and Ian on the Vampire Diaries. People harassed Ian's wife so much that he was visibly not comfortable working with Nina anymore. And of course, Once Upon a Time, where Jennifer Morrison, being naturally very shy and introverted felt way too much pressure since people speculated that she and Lana had a relationship. What was one of the best chemistries and dynamics in the first two seasons of OUAT, later became rare moments with no chemistry between two actresses at all.

[@angiea9620]

My favorite Mr Shue yikes moment is when he offered to drive the kids home if they ever got too drunk partying. Even watching live back then I was like 😳

[@justjoannak]

Agreed! Like it's illegal

[@massiveconehead]

mr. shue is like a mix of two different characters, the “caring” teacher, and the creepy boundary crossing teacher. i think in the first half of season 1 the writers were trying to write him in a more critical, funny way but then saw that viewers also liked drama and emotion so they started also writing him as a “caring” teacher, which made his character confusing and cringeworthy. i wish the writers stuck with one thing, instead of basically trying to make mr. shue two characters at once. sometimes emotion and humor can coexist, but with mr. shue it just didn’t work.

[@gleeistheword5597]

For me the only teacher that is truly the best is Beiste cares about the students, but knows boundaries

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

If Mr. Schue were a teacher in real life, he would be fired. But I have to say the scene where he holds Finn's jacket at the end of the episode dedicated to Cory Monteith and he starts crying it's very sad.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

My favorite line was “the band who proved time and time again they can perform any sing at a drop of the hat and you still treat them as no good nameless garbage”. Sorry if it is more paraphrased. The band not only dropped tunes out of the blue, they were their missing or extra performers on the stage with the glee club and no one tried to befriend them or learn their name. I get it was part of the gag, but come one. This is why there may be so much fan fiction around them so they can be characters too.

[@unaobrien8168]

The amount of people who are saying they like Sue is blowing my mind 😂 it sort of reminds me of Snape, just because she secretly has a heart doesn't negate her actions. I enjoy the character absolutely, but like her? As a person? Hell no 😂

[@alexanderguerrero347]

I still remember when she gave the list of songs to the other competitors in a competition to embarrass the glee club.

[@JBabyLeather]

Same

[@scorpioigor]

Yeah, Sue did a lot of horrible and sometimes criminal things on that show. Like, she tried to shoot a student in human cannon, for God's sake. This is precisely the reason why I can't watch these videos without taking a major grain of salt first. Yeah, Mr. Schue had a lot of problematic moments, but to use this as a way to paint Sue as a good teacher is just mindnumblingly wrong.

[@aliceausten6363]

He not only favours white students, but also straight ones. And abled bodied. So much for Minorities...

[@vanm.8130]

You are all minorities 😑😑😑😑

[@mikemorro140]

Eh Artie probably got the most male solos after Finn and once the others left Blaine started getting a lot of solos as well so I don't know about that

[@tpgamble]

yet people praise glee for diversity.

[@mikemorro140]

@@tpgamble It was pretty diverse

[@mariafernandavelascohernan5839]

The saddest point of all this is that Schue was soft and caring at certain points in the story, but not fair towards the whole Glee Club, that actually saw him as a role model or someone that they could reach out to. I love how he was willing to sacrifice the twerking dance in order for Unique to have a safe place to go to the bathroom.

[@witlessmargo7129]

In the first episode of glee will talks about his dad burning down their house, and somehow we just all glossed over that

[@gummy5862]

The main reason Glee didn’t look super weird is because all the actors were in their 20s and 30s and definitely looked like it.

[@KrisBryant99]

Bingo 😅

[@lucypreece7581]

Calling out Mr Schue for being a problematic character is all good and totally justified but making a joke out of everything by putting a trigger warning before the name Matthew Morrison is stupid and insulting. Matthew Morrison is not Mr Schue. Mr Schue is a fictional character. Matthew Morrison is a real person. and as far as I know Matthew Morrison hasn't done anything to warrant any calling out. He is a talented performer and is honestly just trying to live his life. He has a gorgeous wife, 2 beautiful kids and is happy and thriving. Leave the man alone. If you wanna blame anyone for the characterisation of Mr Shue launch it at Ryan Murphy. He wrote the character. Morrison was just doing his best with what he was given. Putting a trigger warning before Matthew Morrison's name not only is stupid and insulting to him as a real person but also invalidates people with actual trauma who genuinely need trigger warnings if a piece of content is going to depict or talk about a really sensitive subject. Matthew Morrison is just a man. He is not dangerous. Leave the dude alone and just let him be. I felt like this needed saying.

[@lionheartderrick]

Will shuester = groomer

[@roxanebarbey1394]

I remember watching Glee when I was younger and thinking that Schue was caring and charismatic. Watching these scenes as an adult completely changes the perspective. What a creep!

[@vintageincolor]

“He’s making her better. He’s winning.” 😬😬😬😬 Big ol YIKES

[@Laneania]

I always considered Glee as a show happening in alternative universe where everyone is insane.

[@jessidunn0551]

I wish more people understood that this show is satirical and doesn't take itself seriously (at least for the first few seasons, those last ones are a bit of a mess)

[@ccdaly2561]

I was just going into college when Glee started and couldn't quite place why I HATED it. This is the answer.

[@songbird6414]

The only thing I’ll defend here is that Terri was definitely still in the wrong. Manipulation of such a major issue is never the answe.

[@ursulajoni15]

Can you imagine if mckinley high had a realistic principle, "Mr schue this is the third time we've had to inform you that it is inappropriate to sexy dance with your students this is the last time I will be reminding you of this before we take disciplinary action I would really not like to be sued"

[@magma4168]

And yet when Santana slapped Finn for outing her, they acted like THIS was the most serious school offense during the series...

[@hansenriquez1810]

Mr. Schue is the textbook definition of "How do you do, fellow kids?"

[@kadiskreationsbykat]

Not another Glee video 😭 I swear any discourse involving this show never ends well. People will argue for days lol. This show really shouldn’t be taken that seriously at all. It’s basically satire. Every character is a literal parody or mockery.

[@pendragon2012]

I mean, anyone who takes Glee as a good example of either how things are or should be is in for a rude awakening.

[@itsmith14]

THANK YOU FOR THIS!! You don't know how much of a burning Hatred I have for mr Shue

[@thesourpatchkidd579]

I know a lot of people want to compare him to Sue but that's not a fair comparison. reality is she was basically a prop, made to be cartoonishly over the top villainous with no redeeming qualities- mainly so nothing Will did ever seemed bad in comparison. If we were to take her seriously she would be in prison- she's assaulted students and pushed two faculty down a flight of stairs, one of whom she put in a coma. Will however was meant to be treated as a real character, meant to be taken seriously, and he was honestly really inappropriate at times and it's because he was the "parent who lives vicariously and obsessively through their child b/c their dreams failed" and also "Adult who can't let go of high school glory" only he wasn't a parent and they weren't his kids so it's way creepy, and while it seems like he cares about them he often is simply using them as a proxy for himself and his desires. As an actual teacher though he was a bad one. Like actually bad at his job. Good as a Glee club coach but a bad teacher and what's worse, he didn't even care.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

Mr Schue singing Blurred Lines was what made me stop watching the show.

[@KostiaMendax]

I agree with the overall premise of the video, but I don't think that Mr. Shue was actually glorified within the context of Glee. His missteps and creepiness were called out by multiple characters and the overall narrative. I think even the actor was very conscious of the boundaries his character was crossing and that it was intentional.

[@32JEAN34]

Don't know why people think the Glee characters are supposed to be some kind of role models. Wasn't this the whole point of it, to write every character totally over the top and cliché? People thinking Mr Schue was written as a kind of a hero just didn't understand it. He was just as fucked up as everyone else because that's the whole humor of this thing. To make fun of everything while showing them in a "deep" and "inspirational" way. It's a whole own universe.

[@Investigator86]

I completely agree and I was about to comment saying the same thing. I don’t even think the show took itself seriously half the time.

[@dignature123]

​@@Investigator86 I think the problem was that the moments it wanted us to take the show serious, you couldn't because of all the bizarre things that led up to it. There wasn't any balance especially after season 1. Like when a character did something over the top and awful, they would then frame their punishment or consequence realistically as if the audience should feel sad or empathize with them and that NEVER made any sense. It's my biggest issue with the entire show. The only time they got it right, all the way, was Kurts relationship with his dad. That from beginning to end was marvelous.

[@DeeL3]

At first, Glee started out as satire in season one but even in season one, there were moments where it was like. . are they being funny or serious?? They try to be serious by taking on the issue of things such as teen pregnancy and Quinn being kicked out but then they literally have Finn thinking he knocked her up without even having sex in the hot tub. . .make it make sense. After that, Glee tried to be way too serious, all at the same time of being even more and more ridiculous. Again, make it make sense please. But alas, this is Glee and making sense isn't in their skill set.

[@ziglaus]

People watching it certainly took it as straight deep and inspirational.

[@february1796]

@@Investigator86 Agree. Satires are Ryan Murphy's brand. I think it's pretty clear if you watch some of his shows to get that. There might be exceptions but as a whole, that's what he does best.

[@mariapaz6379]

i think the problem with the teachers in glee. Comes from the idea that being a good teacher is easy, that if you are passionate enough, if you embrace it, then you will do good. To me, it's clear that at the beginning, Mr. Schue was supposed to be a good teacher, but that the people in charge soon realized that they just didn't know what a good teacher is. Teaching is hard, is no wonder that people who don't really know much about teaching, got it wrong.

[@ionasmith1998]

I remember back when I was in Sixth Form College one of my teachers got married and I always wondered why our class wasn't invited. Glee really make me think that these teacher relationship students were normal LMAO

[@masterzombie161]

I’m so glad I never watched this show. I did theater for a good number of years and when this became popular everyone was talking about it like it was the greatest thing ever. I’m glad that now people see it as trash as it should be.

[@Feliciatanktop]

Lizzo’s voice: *I’ve been waiting for this one TURN IT UP*

[@emgee9194]

I was studying my teaching degree whilst watching glee for the first time. It was creepy then as it is now. As a teacher now and watched it for the 3rd time he is by far one of the most untrustworthy characters. So many faults by the writers unless it was intentional.

[@ollieno971]

Rachel: *sends a girl to a crack house because she was jealous* Doesn’t get punished at all Marley: *is uncomfortable in a revealing costume* Mercedes *stands up for herself and says that she thinks she should get more solos* Gets suspended and kicked out

[@mayhit]

Most of this is totally legit, but I'm not really here for the Terri defense. She was psychologically and emotionally abusive to Will the whole time they were together in S1. If people want to criticize how the character was written, I am one thousand percent here for that. I've always thought Terri was a cocktail of mostly bullshit stereotypes about women. But defending the character for the things she did on screen is misguided in my opinion. "Yeah, but she was hurting, too." No, sorry, her behavior in their relationship was abusive; this is not a "both sides" situation.

[@kareni.s.pezzolo9607]

THISS And saying that Will didn't listened her bs excuse?? Man just realised his wife was faking her pregnancy idk who would be reasonable in that situation

[@nancyglezhdez]

Yeah that was a lame defense. She was psycho period.

[@RedMoonSolitary]

Yeah Will is bad news but that was an insane and crappy thing to lie about. They kind of deserved each other, actually.

[@skycaptain3344]

I’m glad to see this pointed out. I was enjoying the video until she said that - her behavior, regardless of the reason, was insane.

[@czt5464]

When I was little I thought that he was the cringey teacher who wanted to look cool. After I tried to rewatch the series, I realize he's the type of person who needs to be at least 500ft away from any school

[@abbiethebookhoarder6071]

'you're all minorities... you're in the glee club' 👀👀👀

[@gahyeonsupremacy]

you know you’ve matured when you realize that mr. shu is the worst teacher ever and sue was (probably) the only sane person on the show