Why Go to the Latin Mass

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

Let's pray for the spread and preserve of traditional Latin mass and increase of good holy priests 🙏❤

[@irishman.]

Started going to Latin Mass just last week. It was a beautiful experience. Went again this morning.. Thanks be to God for his blessings

[@truthseekerlana9871]

I thought these masses were closed they are in my area

[@irishman.]

@@truthseekerlana9871 I'm in Ireland so possibly very far from where you live.

[@seanboyle8441]

@@irishman. Hi. Which in Ireland. I go to the SSPX in the North in Newry and Belfast 😊

[@wendelliseri1655]

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[@jd3jefferson556]

*His* Capital H when referring to our Lord. I'm so thankful you're finding your way back to tradition 🙏

[@JasonSpano]

We will be making a 7+ hour round trip tomorrow to attend an FSSP Mass. Well worth it!

[@junesilvermanb2979]

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[@timothyfreeman97]

There's not a closer one by you?

[@JasonSpano]

@@timothyfreeman97 Sadly no. We have been talking about/praying about moving so we could go more often.

[@Zematus737]

All the fanatics of the TLM should read this and not consider themselves innocent to the pressures this kind of burden places on a marriage. How many children do you cause to suffer though a 7+ hour trip, Jason? And all for what? For what your senses take in, what your eyes and ears hear? The chanting or the forms? Is not the sacrifice which the ordinary form administers not the very same blood and body of the Lord Jesus?! Why would you travel so far for your senses, rather than what you know is already close to you and spare your family this needless sacrifice.

[@JasonSpano]

@@Zematus737 My wife is all for it. She has been enjoying going. I don't cause any children to suffer. I take 4 boys ages 8 months to 10 years. We don't do it just for eyes and ears, but that is a big plus. No chanting as we have only gone to Low Mass. The sacrifice in the Novus Ordo is just as valid and efficacious. Every parish I've been in though (sad to say) lacks any real reverence. When I tell my son "That is Jesus" but Jesus is being handed out by lay people, handled like a cracker and dropped on the floor, it is hard to make a convincing argument. When people pass by the tabernacle and bow their head, or do a 1/2 bow, again, it is hard to tell my son "No, really ... that IS Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior". At the TLM, you can't forget Who is up there. But a big reason we travel so far is my non-verbal autistic son has been typing out on his 'talker' "Yes, Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Catholic Church". This is one of the few Mass settings he doesn't scream, hit, pinch, bite, etc. at. Sacrifice is good. Jesus said we should take up our crosses daily. But, I don't consider this as much of a sacrifice as I do as an inconvenience. It would be nice to be closer to a Mass that is so reverent, but so far no one has complained much.

[@michaelmcevoy5282]

PLEASE GOD AND OUR LADY OF FATIMA CLAIM YOUR VICTORY SOON AND PROTECT US FROM OUR ENEMIES ❤🌹🕊

[@AMDG_-nk2dp]

I believe the St Michael prayer 🙏 is in order. Especially in today's day and age and world.

[@andrewscollick]

Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in proelio...

[@bweatherman3345]

So many of these enemies

[@mistyviolet3825]

YESSSSSSS NOW PLEASE 🕯

[@ruthmaryrose]

I’m 75 years old and grew up with the Mass in Latin but then spent the next few decades with access to only the new Mass. Then I moved to a diocese that has an FSSP Chapel. When I was deciding whether or not to attend Mass there I was aware that since I was old I would be accused of attending just because of nostalgia and I considered that that might be so. It was when I found out that they were teaching the traditional teachings of the church that I had grown up with that I made up my mind that they were teaching the truth.

[@libbycampbell4700]

Being born in the 70s in Nicaragua and never having been to a Latin mass until 3 years ago I felt robbed and betrayed of having such beautiful mass taken away from me. The first time I attended the Tridentine mass I felt I had found my Home and forgot about the other one which to me is a slap in the face to our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@bweatherman3345]

Yes, we are orphans living in poverty. So true, about us Catholics. They robbed us from our treasures and parents.

[@liberator275]

many catholics born in 1970s feel the same way. we've been robbed of the church, of its beauty, of its fullness. they gave us concrete and drab building masquerading as churches. what a pity? covid exposed it all. time to return.

[@jackieforestieri3010]

Robbed really does cover it. I was catechized in the 70s and had to suffer through the terrible catechism, besides the barren church, folk mass, etc.

[@merceditachua2822]

Thank you Lord for giving me a chance to attend The Traditional Mass a Latin Mass. Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. Amen

[@ROSEMARY1925]

I grew up with a Latin Mass, then it disappeared... Happy that it’s coming back ... it’s our Living GODS work in these matter.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Deperuse]

Started going to Latin Mass a few weeks ago. I'm 29, and I think it's important for young people to go traditional. Thank God. The Latin Mass is way more rich and interesting.

[@VeracityQuest]

For old people, too!

[@2010RonnieB]

God Bless you. I am 53 and I won’t go to the Novis Ordo. Thank you because you give hope when young people are so engrained with things of this world.

[@Zematus737]

The new rite is more perfect and refined than the old. The old one is still facing a wall like an old covenant Hebrew. Yet, none of you seem to notice this great flaw.

[@Deperuse]

@@Zematus737 The sacrifice and prayers are said to God, not to us. It is a sacrifice of great reverence towards the altar for a reason. I urge you to delve deeper into the Latin Mass, to discover that the mass that has been around for almost 2000 years, should have never changed. Furthermore you will discover that there are many errors in the Vatican II council that created the new mass. I urge you to look deeper into this. God bless you.

[@Zematus737]

@@Deperuse I have read books on how the Latin mass was developed and it is an amalgamation of many varying forms adopted and joined together, from the practice of many priests, saints and bishops over the centuries. Its current form was NOT known for as long as you may think. Have you ever read the forms side by side? The new rite is more refined than the old. The video says that facing east is an age old practice, but it has little to do with christianity and more to do with the old temple.

[@michaeloftheriver1480]

I've always wanted to go to the beautiful Latin Tridintine Mass! I hope I get to go to one after this pandemic.

[@evelynmiller4609]

Don't wait for the pandemic to end. Go now! The TLM churches near me are much more about faith and less about restrictions and fear.

[@michaeloftheriver1480]

@@evelynmiller4609 Thank you for these inspiring words 😊 God bless you

[@mistyviolet3825]

@@evelynmiller4609 Yes TLM Churches were the only ones open during the peak of the pandemic

[@AMDG_-nk2dp]

The Latin Mass. The original mass before they "improved" it. The beauty, the reverence, the absolute awe of the most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. I thank God 🙏 for my aunt, a traditional nun, for introducing the TLM to my husband and I in 2003. I truely rediscovered my faith. I almost felt like a convert. I had my own conversion, so to speak. The wholeness of the Christian faith, is found within the Catholic Church. And the most Holy Sacrifice and mystery is discovered in the traditional Mass. Just attend once, and you will be yearning to attend every Sunday for the devotion and the spiritual enrichment and fulfillment. JMJ. +++

[@AMDG_-nk2dp]

Lord help us all Catholics to return to tradition and ultimately to you, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ 🙏 the sovereign King. With the help, guidance and protection of our dear Blessed Mother Mary 🙏.

[@wallamboklahong9125]

Amen.

[@davidvaldez2346]

Forever grateful for the grace to find the latin mass in my city.

[@VeracityQuest]

I love to hear this holy priest ... whomever he may be, I love him!

[@bweatherman3345]

Me too

[@Rigo.SoliDeo]

Father Jambon.

[@mistyviolet3825]

@@Rigo.SoliDeo What state is he in?

[@mistyviolet3825]

@@Rigo.SoliDeo His video on Saint Michael and his 2 shrines in EU is one of the best on my playlist!!!!!

[@Rigo.SoliDeo]

@@mistyviolet3825 I believe he is in Louisiana . I met him in Atlanta in 2018 preaching a mission. Back then he was in KY.

[@Vendeevictores]

Thank you Father. Let’s keep the momentum going for the TLM. The Good. The True. The Beautiful.

[@eddytamayo3200]

Y'all please remember to pray for mercy and conversion/repentance of all sinners

[@marelucas]

How I wish there was Latin Mass near me...Lord let me celebrate traditionally one day...

[@kimberlyriddell8574]

I moved five hours away to bring my family. Best thing ever

[@mistyviolet3825]

Just seek and you shall find Marebear! SEEK!

[@Bearkingforever]

Did you ever find the Latin Mass?

[@marelucas]

@@Bearkingforever Thankfully, yes! I found a parish that offers it 30 minutes away from where I live, though I've only been able to attend about once a month. I started in May of this year. I'm still getting used to the liturgy and following in the missal, but I think it's amazing!

[@marelucas]

@@mistyviolet3825 I did seek...and I finally found! It took about 4 years but I found one 30 minutes away from where I live! It will still take some getting used to though.

[@lmk7963]

Thankyou so much Father for this beautiful presentation and teaching.

[@Christian-lm6qh]

I was away from the Catholic Church for some time, and later choose to attend the Episcopal Church. The fact that the service was the same made me realize that we Catholics traded the mass as handed down to us for the mass of Calvin. I just want the mass that my parents and grandparents and great grandparents had.

[@juanaguitierrez1801]

They should’ve never got rid of the Latin mass it’s so beautiful I do remember

[@VeracityQuest]

It only went away for a little while .... it's coming back everywhere now, little by little!

[@breetreadway8631]

Find one in your area! Even if it’s far away, it’s worth the drive to raise your children in a mass that is ordered towards God, not man! We drive an hour to go to ours, and it is worth every minute of sleep loss!

[@zenaidalacuzong1918]

Latin & English mass in EWTN🙏

[@mistyviolet3825]

@@zenaidalacuzong1918 WOW I didn’t know it still aired on EWTN!

[@RestoreJustice675]

God in Jesus name grant the return of the Latin Mass and in several places throughout all Diocese.

[@TheTruthResearchers]

Thank you so much Fr. David! I was attending the Latin Masses as a child up until 1969 as a preteen and I loved it! My parents loved it my grandparents loved it and thank God that they groomed me in those holy conditions (especially for the training and reception of The sacraments of confession Holy Communion and confirmation!) My goal is to become a most proper Traditional Catholic for for the sake of Jesus Christ and for the will of God to be done! I must travel on public transportation for over 3 hours round trip in order to attend a Latin Mass each sunday. The priests actually have to rent a room in a hotel to even have the mass, because they have no Home Church. But there is one church that is only a 20-minute walk where we can attend a Latin Mass every first Saturday of the month. Thank God for that! We appreciate your amazing talks and diligence to serve the Lord in the Traditional Holiest Way.❤ You are a most gentle and wise Shepherd to us.

[@jasonburdette6921]

My slow transition from leaving the Novus Ordo to exclusively attending TLM. Started September 2008. My last Novus Ordo I attended was Funeral 3 years ago. Have not been to Novus Ordo since that day.

[@mistybuttercup110]

Ahhhhh so SAINT PADRE PIO died (1968) before it became “mandatory” in 1969!!!!!! THANKS BE TO GOD!😇

[@paxvobiscum9859]

I wish I could! 😢

[@AMDG_-nk2dp]

Is there not a TLM near you, or one that you could drive to? I think there is a website that mentions all current Latin Masses according to your zip code or city. I hope you can attend one soon.

[@paxvobiscum9859]

AMDG_0914 I live in Australia.... Latin Rite Masses are pretty thin on the ground around here. Nearest one is SSPX and that’s a 5.5 hour drive away. 😣 Thanks for your response though. God bless. 🕊

[@zenaidalacuzong1918]

Watch EWTN

[@kathyg.5742]

Vieling at Mass: 1Corinthians 11 Ch 6.

[@gerir8634]

But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. Thanks 😊🙏

[@catcpr4166]

We veil at Novus Ordo. Help God build His Church

[@elainegoolsby9902]

Yes, the veil is Biblical, praise God! 😇💗🙏

[@yeshua1st]

I'm a recent convert and was attending NO mass, was baptised in the new rite. A week after my baptism I went to my first TLM. It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. I cant go back to the new rite. I do when I need to but theres no comparison. TLM all day everyday.

[@Christine-xd2pj]

Thank you Father!

[@nylon7705]

Beautiful.. Heaven on Earth...

[@MarcoCuauhtemocMejia]

Thank you for sharing!

[@averageinternetchad1652]

play it on 1.5 speed and you can somewhat hear him normally

[@taqiyasir8086]

The picture in the thumbnail is absolutely beautiful. I love the TLM ❤️✝️

[@Charliechorizo]

Listening at 1.75 speed is highly recommended.

[@GravInducedSleepTrac]

SINCE THE MASS IS NOT NECESSARILY FOR OR ABOUT THE PEOPLE, IT IS ABOUT GOD, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE PRIEST TO HAVE TO FACE THE PEOPLE AT ALL. IT"S ACTUALLY IRRELEVANT TO FACE THE PEOPLE SINCE IT IS ABOUT THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS & THE BREAD & WINE BECOMING JESUS. THE PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THERE TO SHOW THE LOVE & ADORATION TO OUR GOD & JESUS THE SACRIFICIAL LAMB WHO SUFFERED & DIED FOR OUR SINS SO WE CAN HAVE SALVATION. ALSO, IF WE TRULY BELIEVE IN TRUE PRESENCE WHY WOULD WE EVER THINK THAT UNCONSECRATED HANDS COULD EVER BE WORTHY TO TOUCH THE BODY & BLOOD OF OUR LORD. UTMOST REVERENCE & RESPECT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THE BODY & BLOOD OF OUR LORD.

[@dandifusco1868]

Spot on! I always say this. What makes us think that we as lay people have the right to touch the host at all. A priest hands are consecrated for that reason alone. How dare we have the gull to think that we can touch the body of christ in our hands

[@bencrouch308]

25:44 is my old parish, Old St. Mary's in Cincinnati, OH!

[@marthawissmann8268]

Thank you for talking about the Priest and the people facing the east. I had 12 years of Catholic education and never was thought about that. Also never learned about the Church often designed in the shape of the cross either. So this spiritual insight and tradition was lost for me. Is it very important? Will I loose out on my closeness to Jesus if the Priest is facing West? I think not. Sorry I missed out. What is so very important to me is seeing every part of this theologically rich, scripturally based ceremony where I hear the prayers in my language and can actively pray with the priest. .. I also like that there are the Priests who pray the Mass in Latin because so many of the faithful are moved by it. Then it needs to stay. I’m distressed that the Pope wants to stop it. Pray for the Church

[@mistyviolet3825]

What about the Holy Communion Martha? Does it matter to u if u receive it by hand or on the tongue ?

[@marthawissmann8268]

@@mistyviolet3825 No I’m not bothered either way. I think it is an expression of spirituality. Both are good

[@geraldineurbanczyk8767]

Great explanation. Thanks.

[@OSB911]

Best decision our family ever made! It is more than worth every sacrifice made to get there.

[@oldegeezer]

3:48 May he find eternal rest by the grace of God.

[@alanbourbeau24]

Attending the Traditional Latin mass is something I always wanted to do before and I was going to give it a try as part of my New Year's resolution in 2024 and almost wanted to do it but my mom stopped me from doing it because she said that I was better off with attending the English Novus Ordo mass. And I even tried to put my foot down with her but she talked me out of it. But eventually I'm going to give it another try and hopefully she won't stop me from trying it out.

[@thomasjorge4734]

More Enriching because it is more Rich.

[@freshbrewedasmr3378]

The New Mass is so watered down, I think we compromised too much with Protestants. I LOVE the Latin Mass

[@mistybuttercup110]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

[@Zematus737]

I bet that I could make the argument that the new mass or superior to that old rite. Come. Take me up on the challenge and see if I don't prove to you there is even redundance in the traditional rite. lms.org.uk/missals Go and compare and prepare to defend the undefendable.

[@lindab.6479]

Agreed. We need more reverence to the Holy Eucharist 🙏💝✝️

[@wallamboklahong9125]

@@lindab.6479 Through TLM axactly.

[@joemoriarty1860]

I like the universality of the Latin Mass and the way it echoes the Jewish Temple. Also the great reverence to the holiness of God. If I knew Latin better it would be a great help. I am learning. The Novus Ordo reminds me of the Last Supper with Jesus at table with his disciples. I like that I can participate and understand what is being said and affirm in my heart what the priest says. I greatly appreciate the possibility of receive from The Cup, the blood of Jesus Christ poured out for me! Mt 26:27 ..."drink of this, all of you, for this is the blood of the covenant ..." 1Cor 11:23 "This cup is the new covenant in my blood ...for as often as you eat This Bread and drink This Cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes" Jn 6:54 "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life..." A priest who prayerfully says the Mass, has great respect for the holiness of the Lord, is powerful in any Mass, Latin or Novus. Thank you Jesus for the gift of yourself to us in the Holy Eucharist!

[@elainegoolsby9902]

The host is both body and blood, just as this priest states!🌹😇💗🙏🌠

[@wallamboklahong9125]

@@elainegoolsby9902 Long Live Traditional Latin Mass, I love my loving Jesus, and His Tradition of ancient Church, as His saints pronounce to the Church as Catholic.

[@tomduff8399]

The Mason's had alot to do with getting rid of Latin Mass even popes have have been Masons makes me angry when I see what's going on but people continue be quiet get angry people 😠 and fight for your faith

[@truthseekerlana9871]

I broke off a friendship with a gal who married 4 times not a Catholic I’m not sure she’s even a Christian but she started living with a Free Mason member so I decided to just pray for her without judgement and contact ...she called me names after I cut contact

[@wallamboklahong9125]

@@truthseekerlana9871 That's much better, God be with you, pray that such people be humble for the love of God.

[@philominaeapen9240]

I hope the future Pope will bring back The Latin Mass in every Parish ⛪️ all over the world 🌎🙏✝️😇📿⛪️🙏

[@VeracityQuest]

I hope the good holy priests just do it!

[@mistybuttercup110]

Amen !

[@mistybuttercup110]

My daughter’s Confirmation Saint is St Philomena!😇

[@jerig4385]

I hope so to. The emoji you used though is not a rosary, but called prayer beads used by muslims.

[@philominaeapen9240]

Jeri G We have to reclaim it as Our Holy Rosary 📿 to defeat the evil

[@Prayers_and_Porsches]

Finally attended a TLM for the first time this past Sunday. Is there a big difference between the spoken and sung masses?

[@LifeisPrecious-x2f]

From the Latin mass prayer booklet that I learned: "Remember, O Christian soul, That thou hast this day and every day of thy life… God to glorify, Jesus to imitate, A soul to save, A body to mortify, Sins to repent of, Virtues to acquire, Hell to avoid, Heaven to gain, Eternity to prepare for, Time to profit by, Neighbors to edify, The world to despise, Devils to combat, Passions to subdue, Death perhaps to suffer, Judgement to undergo. Therefore, O child of Jesus and Mary, Avoid sin and all its occasions."

[@Migz2682]

Has the tridentine mass been celebrated in English. That is with the priest facing the east, communion on the tounge while keeping, Lord have mercy in Greek, the and some other parts while predominantly in "the vernacular of the people" the structure and reverence of the mass should have never changed. However Eastern catholics were able to translate their Divine Liturgy while still having everything else in the same structure it has always been.

[@kevjones1]

The Transendant is sense perceptible. In justice our Father deserves it! 🙏

[@animefreddiemercury]

This video is oddly prescient, first time listening to it. Weird how things shook out

[@Skimineerinkydink]

🙏🏼🌍😇

[@firebearfl643]

I was brought up with TLM and if you are of a generation that has never experienced the beauty and richness in the solemnity of The Latin Mass and have only experienced the Novus Ordo please take the time to find a church that celebrates this Divine Sacrifice. Before you do go educate yourself on what is going on in the Tridentine Mass, so you will get the most from the experience. Pope Francis can do everything in his power to prevent celebration of this mass, but he will never prevail. Somewhere in the world there will always be a priest, who celebrates this mass and it will endure as the church will endure...forever.

[@nicholasvogt2524]

The thumbnail is old Saint Mary’s Cincinnati

[@ROSEMARY1925]

You must get out of the “501C3”.... if you are serious about the Latin Mass, these is no “Joke”😡😡😡

[@kittyblaine7917]

July 7 is my birthday…

[@luisgerardoluevanosmedina433]

We need more Traditional Tridentin Latin mass. Latin mass. 😇👼❤ TLM. 👍

[@CN-yf3lr]

any priest may answer me if the sedevacantist traditional catholic church is or not valid? Also I can't believe the Canon Law allows a priest perform under sin the blessing of the Holy Communion at mass, to me that is sacrilege and that is not talk about it.

[@KMF3]

??? Your question is extremely unclear read your comment again and see if maybe you can restate it in a clearer manner

[@marthawissmann8268]

I prefer the NO but I respect the Latin Mass as our tradition and don’t want it lost. Why is Pope Francis wanting to stop it?

[@mistyviolet3825]

I wonder also

[@wallamboklahong9125]

I think this pope is a free masonry, trying to destroy the ancient Church of Christ n His saints' Church.

[@tomgreene2282]

The Mass has it's roots going back to apostolic times....there is nothing evil in any Mass . The Mass is / was not "Frozen" . There is no "New Mass".

[@maryannmcrae6736]

THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES IN NOVA SCOTIA CANADA ARE NOT TRUE CATHOLIC MORE PROTESTANT VERY SAD.

[@Dean-qt3rp]

This is slightly off topic, but seeing that great picture of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, I still cant get over that he resigned. He had to know what and who would most likely follow. that aside, I am so grateful he reaffirmed the Latin mass. I am extremely fortunate that I can attend Latin mass on a daily basis in my parish.

[@catcpr4166]

Dean Our Pope Emeritus didnt AFFIRM Latin Rite. He did it out of mercy because people were leaving the Roman Catholic Church to join the excommunicated Schismatic Latin Rite community. It was an attempt to keep the faithful. He performed and attended Novus Ordo! Wake up. Ave MAria!

[@Dean-qt3rp]

@@catcpr4166 Listen to this ugly, ridiculous statement from you: "Many graces are lost in the Latin Rite Masses due people’s disobedience, hatred and pride." Your comment is ugly. and your other comments I read reek of Pride and ignorance. You are EXACTLY what you accuse others of being. Reflect on that next time you go to confession, if you go.

[@Zematus737]

I'm glad to hear that the traditional observers are no longer presuming superiority over the ordinary form. While it gives me no pleasure to see you take a defensive stance in an attempt to preserve the traditional forms, I must make a complaint in the flaws of your defense of it. For you have taken a position that insinuates that the new rite is a departure of traditional forms. I will start by aiding your argument concerning veils for women. It is not just a traditional practice, it is found in the epistles themselves. Covering a woman's hair, or covering her glory, is a good practice to observe. It leads women into piety. It is not a covering of the head, it is a covering of the hair. We should understand the difference so that women do not cover their heads, but leave their hair flowing visibly. Now as for the greatest flaw of your argument on having the right to observe a traditional form because it has preexisted other forms and was not explicitly condemned or rejected. The only example you need is the adaptations to the creed. The liturgy of the mass is no different in this respect. Throughout the generations we have seen adaptations, clarifications, additions, extractions. Even though you may be allowed to say the old Nicene creed, it is BETTER for you to observe the current form for every reason that they exist. Mainly to confront the rising teachings of heresy and our pursuit of perfection to remove needless words, gestures, or rites that are not understood well, such as facing east. The facing to the east is a practice which can find its origin in the dedication of the first temple by Solomon (1Kings 8:22). Verse 29 and 30 specifically. This is why the Hebrews in exile/captivity in the west held to the this practice of praying to the east. The Mohammedans observe this for the same reason. There are verses in which you will attempt to excuse this same practice by saying the King will come in by the eastern gate, but I recognize the verses very well and I know that you are referring to the 2nd coming and none of these verses pertain to the return of Christ in the day that he comes to pay everyone back for their deeds. For you know very well the scriptures say that his return through the clouds will be visible like lightning from the east AND the west. None of you will overcome me in this, for I will tell you now that praying to the east or facing any other direction is a form more fitting to old covenant practices than it is of our new covenant. It does not belong in any Christian rite, for the true worshipers of God do not face towards any PLACE, as our Lord makes plain to the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4:21-24). So, if we are the true worshipers of Christ, as we claim to be, how is it that we still hold to prayers that take places into account when we worship and receive the true boundless God? How senseless it is to elevate the host towards the altar, as if the throne could ever be as significant as the God that is in your very hands. How useless it is to pretend you are elevating Christ to the Father, when the one seated on the throne is, and has always been, the true Son who hides himself as does the Father, but reveals his thoughts to man. Revelation 16:7 "And I heard the altar respond: "Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgements." It is needless for you to present the sacrifice to the Father, as if you were to presume that such a killing of his son does at all please him, for not even to this day has the house of Jacob been forgiven this bloodshed of the innocent and holy Christ: Joel 3:21 "I will hold innocent their blood that I have not held innocent." Christ is raised above the heads of the people, just as Moses raised the snake in the desert (John 3:14); therefore it is better and right for you to elevate the Host towards the people, facing the people, so that they may gaze on that which can free them from their sin; by confessing they have been bitten they will be raised to life. You cannot win this argument. It is time to face the people.

[@Christian-lm6qh]

You kinda missed the basics, but oh well.

[@Zematus737]

@@Christian-lm6qh Indulge me, please. Or would you say I'm wrong without explaining yourself? Why even open your mouth? What are the basics? Mass means meal but traditionalists think the Mass is part of confession and speak only concerning sacrifice and the cross. Yet it was not the crucifixion that Christ instituted as a memorial, but the Eucharist, for which the cross was intended FOR and not the other way around. Mass means meal, and there is the table, but the Trads face east and raise the holy Lord towards the altar? What is more important, the throne or the one who sits on it? Trads are like the Pharisees in the temple. 'Lord! I thank thee for what I am and that you did not make me like this Novus Ordo Catholic. I pray my rosary every day, come to mass and receive on the tongue kneeling and give a little bit here and a little bit there, rule on rule.'

[@AFreckledAngel]

As a convert to Catholicism, I'm not sure if I would have felt comfortable going to TLM. I do however think Pope Francis should have made where you have to ask permission from rome to do the TLM.

[@rangers94ism]

Ok, I am going to give an argument. I don't think that the Latin Mass can get you any closer to God then an English one. The whole thing is all about Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. Everything leads to us getting ready and receiving the Eucharist. You can do a Latin Mass but it's only as necessary as the availability of the holy Eucharist and thats it.

[@mmont]

Look up the English translation of the Latin Mass prayers, and you'll see how much richer and deeper they are. First of all it is not a dialogue or exchange between the priest and the congregants. Rather it is a continual prayer addressed to God Almighty -- adoration, praise, contrition, thanksgiving. Above all it clearly indicates everyone's presence and participation in Jesus sacrifice at Calvary offered for our redemption. And this is all done in union of worship in continuity with our ancestors (e.g. Abel. Abraham and Melchisedech) as well as St Michael and the Holy Angels, the Virgin Mary, St Joseph. St John the Baptist, St Pete, St Paul and all the Saints. In the Tridentine Mass, we acknowledge God's salvific work uniting Heaven and earth. Granted the Consecration is the same and valid in both forms of the Mass, but they are far from the same. I invite you respectfully to attend a Latin Mass and follow the English Missal, and there's no doubt that your soul will be deeply touched and grateful. God bless

[@patrickmorand5189]

The Latin Easter vigil has the priest singing ....flaming Lucifer....christ is your son. And all the people sing....amen. Because they don't know Latin and it sounds so beautiful.

[@snowcrystals6986]

I think you got the translation wrong. I think the line youre referring to is: From: Exsultet Flammas eius _lúcifer_ matutínus invéniat ille, inquam, _lúcifer_ , qui nescit occásum. Christus Fílius tuus, qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit, et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum. - Wikipedia (Exsultet) *English* From Middle English Lucifer, from LatinLūcifer, from lūx (“light”) + ferō (“bear, carry”). Attested in Old English as Lūcifer. Replaced native calque lēohtberend (“lightbearer”) also from the same Latin source. - Wikipedia, Wiktionary (lucifer) *Latin* From lūx +‎ -fer, calque of Ancient GreekΦωσφόρος (Phōsphóros). The word "lucifer" does not always mean the evil one. It can also refer as "Morning star". - Wikipedia, Wiktionary (lucifer) The exultet lyrics that i just quoted means: May this flame be found still burning by the _Morning Star_ : the one _Morning Star_ who never sets, Christ your Son, who, coming back from death's domain, has shed his peaceful light on humanity, and lives and reigns for ever and ever. - Wikipedia (Exsultet) That's it, Have a great day/night.

[@wallamboklahong9125]

@@snowcrystals6986 What ever it is through the TLM there were many saints converyed, but in NO it's chaos n protestanism completely, the priest while in celebration of the eucharist keep his Back that's not Reverant to Christ the King, other thing is that if protestanism then we are against the Church of Jesus n His Apostles tradition of Faith for all these centuries. Keep the Light of God Burning.

[@a.t.c.3862]

Traditiones custodes. You, the Extraordinary Formians did this to yourselves. This is not about the Extraordinary Form as such but about the fact that it has long been weaponised - against the Church herself - against her Sacraments, the Second Ecumenical Vatican Council, her Magisterium and her Roman Pontiffs. You know this is true. If you are Catholic, looking beyond your disappointment, you will see that this abuse could not be allowed to continue. For the good of those attached to the Extraordinary Form, for the unity of the family that is the Church, Pope Francis as a father has intervened. You should have been part of the solution and embraced the fatherly generosity of St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI, in unity with the Church but instead you abused their trust, continously. So you cannot feign surprise now. You brought this on yourselves.