Why Grievous Got WAY Weaker Over Time - Star Wars Explained

[@daveparks4972]

One important addition to make when discussing the Vassek fight is that Grievous was injured. His med droid says “In your condition you need to rest” before his 1v1s with Nahdar and Kit. He still may have lost the fight with Kit but it’s important to remember that the fight was “determined Fisto vs injured Grievous”

[@ColdFusion365]

Well there was one thing that was forgotten. At the very beginning of the battle of Coruscant, Grievous fought Mace Windu. During the fight, Mace discovered his cybernetic brain could process his opponent’s fighting style very quickly and how to defeat him. Mace used a Force ability called Force Crush on his robotic throat causing him to have problems breathing 😮‍💨. Then Mace disengaged the fight. Force Crush was considered a Force ability the council considered highly illegal for Jedi to use, but since Grievous was mostly mechanical instead of organic Mace used it as a means of desperation. The 8-part mini series had shown this fight between Grievous and Windu.

[@katcvnutebey1953]

EXAAAACTLY. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS GIVEN A NEW TECH-BODY HE CLEARLY HAD ORGANIC DAMAGE WHICH STAYED WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE REST OF HIS STORY ARCHS. THAT WOULD'VE MADE HIM WEAKER AS WELL

[@johnnyreaper9714]

It was actually his lung. That's why he was always coughing.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Agreed that is the only injury that he sustains throughout the course of the clones wars and in the last few weeks of his life, may have impaired and reduced his ability as a fighter somewhat. However, agree that as the war progresses, his opponents got wise to his tactics and were much more experienced and battle harden, making much more of a challenge for the cyborg general to defeat.

[@johnnyreaper9714]

@@wedgeantillies66 also something to consider. Palpatine needed someone strong enough to kill Jedi but ultimately die to them as well.

[@wedgeantillies66]

@@johnnyreaper9714 Agree he was a killing machine meant to whittle down the ranks of the lower Jedi; knights and masters, but be unable to defeat those of the council and eventually be destroyed by one of their number.

[@mikecotto1167]

Dooku actually said that if he was to succeed, he should have fear, intimidation, and surprise on his side. For if any one of these elements are lacking, it’s best to retreat.

[@tuellecke1339]

And since we mostly see him fight Obi wan who is a person where that never really worked on him he ussually retreated. Smart but annoying for those wanting to fight him

[@oddmanout8692]

It's simple. Shock and awe can only work so many times. It's simple desensitization. Your opponent adapts and can predict your tactics.

[@rajveergrewal588]

They should make a General Grievous Movie showing his origin when he was not a robot

[@Blackdog1811]

It has been done multiple times..

[@littlemonsterxtreme2015]

I'd be down for that but not 100% cause it's Disney, I doubt Disney would even be down for that but hey never say never!!

[@trutyatces8699]

But that would "make him too close to Darth Vader" as if the character has no identity outside of that.

[@user-otzlixr]

Agreed, but this just highlights the main weakness of the prequels, 3 movies was not enough. Still, im grateful for the 3 we got.

[@trevturp6891]

@@littlemonsterxtreme2015 Why?

[@derrickpatten7252]

It could also be, in addition to all the points you made in this video, that Darth Sidious, and Count Dooku we're steadily nerfing Grievous throughout the war every time he needed repairs or "upgrades". The whole point of the conflict was to grant Palpatine ultimate power over the Republic. So, eventually Grievous had to lose.

[@mr.otakubaka4169]

I always thought + head cannoned that it was due to his encounter with Windu, cuz Windu noticed how much of a threat he would be later if he wasn't killed and tried to force crush his effin soul lol hence why he coughed and sound so raspy voiced. I love the cartoon network short series of the clone wars made by the same creator of Samurai Jack. I think that's the best screen adaption of Grevous I've ever seen

[@tsunami700]

😊❤

[@robertphillips213]

@@tsunami700 Rectangular Grievous is staring at you.

[@mr.otakubaka4169]

@@robertphillips213 🤭

[@ericbotondbatternay8452]

I feel like Grevious is a character that deserves to be more flushed out. I’d love to see something Similar to tales of the Jedi for him. His part in geonosis, his experience with the for example at a Jedi temple, and his back story is truly an incredible piece

[@DMBLaan]

I don't know if this is what Disney intends the answer to be, but this makes a lot of sense. Plus, his few organic parts that couldn't be as easily replaced were also aging and becoming injured over time, like when Mace crashed him. So the tolls of time were also a factor.

[@tuellecke1339]

Or that that his state as a cyborg become more straining to the Cybernetic keeping his Sack alive

[@Gaarafan007]

Everyone's mentioning how Mace crushed Grievous' chest, but they forget that that was during the Battle of Coruscant at the end of the war. Grievous has been coughing long before then.

[@JH-wp1dq]

That was the second battle of coruscant, Grievous fought Windu in the first

[@Raptorman0205]

His coughing was 10 million times worse in RotS than it is in basically any other piece of media. He usually only coughed a bit when put under extreme stress, in RotS he coughs in basically every scene he's in.

[@Batman_the_bad_man]

1. That's because Dave Filoni neither liked nor understood Grievous. It's just a massive oversight, but this carelessness shows the spite of the cartoonist towards Grievous. 2. There was just one battle of Coriscant.

[@HORRIOR1]

I heard that George Lucans once said that the different branches of Star Wars are all inconsistent on purpose, since they are stories told from perspectives of different people, reminiscing of times long passed. Hence the "Long long time ago in a galaxy far far away." To me, the 2007 The Clone Wars is a story being told to children. Imagine it as a history lesson of sorts. Hence the true events are dialed and toned down. This is why the show can have stories of Ahsoka escaping Grievous's clutches, but not stories about Grievous virus bombing several star systems near the end of the clone wars and using his droid armies to sweep up the remains. His true crimes and horros are left for later when the audience is older.

[@oliverprice2823]

General Greivous is such a cool character the feats he pulled off without the force is impressive. I imagine if he could touch the force he would have probably been unstoppable to all but the best of the best force users

[@CorbCorbin]

Sorry, it’s just more of the bad writing that plagues all the prequel media. It’s ridiculous, with force abilities we are shown, that Grievous was such a problem. All it would take is a special team of Jedi, who are powerful in the force, with those like Fisto, who have saber styles best to fighting him. Have them plan on making a mission just to take him out, or do it right on the battlefield, by having them ready for when Grievous does his speed runs killing Jedi. Use the force to just rip his armor apart. I’m tired of hearing “it’s not the Jedi way,” when we’ve seen Jedi cheat at gambling, take peoples limbs and outright kill, whenever they need something, are slighted and/or when in danger. Yoda took force lightning from Sidious and redirected it. Mace was able to take Sidious down, and was holding off his lightning. Either of them could’ve ended Grievous, the first day they ever saw him on a battlefield. It’s a dumb character, and one shouldn’t have to read than he’s so fast that it can’t be seen, in a novelization that Lucas doesn’t even care about, to know what a character is. Lucas shows nothing close to what was read from that book. Even Tartakovsky’s crazy pace, in the Clone Wars shorts, doesn’t show that. It’s a special type of annoying when channels both go by what Lucas says as the gospel, then also take novelizations he had no part of, to contradict what Lucas showed in his movies.

[@oliverprice2823]

Mace I will give you he did win but again he was one of a kind no other jedi was able to use his form and remain a Jedi for any amount of time but Mace

[@cmath6454]

He would have been Vader. Vader is the culmination of Maul hate, dooku technicality, and grievous cold mechanical overwhelm

[@Infamousdoyle]

@@oliverprice2823did a fukking shark ate him?

[@thegreygoblin5165]

​@@CorbCorbinI mean, you kind of just got piece things together but George is always gonna be top dog though

[@WardenWolf]

The Clone Wars tended to kill off the weaker and less-experienced Jedi first. The stronger Jedi survived to get more experience, and thus became more capable and better able to combat him.

[@brokenbridge6316]

If you know Greivous's backstory then you would know that he's a tragic villain. And one not to underestimate.

[@avarycepierce6296]

You can honestly blame George for this one. We got a cool Grievous in the 2003 Clone Wars mini series but he was nerfed because George said "Grievous wasn't meant to be cool and menacing".

[@IronGoldie]

Correct. he didn't want a villain to outshine Vader, which makes no sense to me. Vader is a classic villain. And people can like multiple characters at once.

[@danwhitesall3521]

I feel that 1 explanation on him fleeing, depending on circumstance, is when fighting clones he is unable to deflect blaster bolts. So it was to protect himself. And after Mace crushed his chest, he might not have repaired it correctly and/or his organs suffered irreparable damage and they were slowly deterating

[@matthewoliveira3782]

Not to mention that Grevious' chest got crushed by Mace Windu, hence the constant coughing........... Grevious can literally copy lightsaber styles and use them on his enemies faster than them, so his battle IQ actually went up during the CWs, to the point where people like Dooku and Mace Windu where legit afraid of Grevious

[@bestgeneralinthegalaxy]

even palpatine/sideous was scared of me

[@venkelos6996]

At the risk of being annoying about this, I sometimes feel that part of it was simply cartoon vs film. They can do things in animation that are simply a lot harder in film. His ridiculous speed, and flexibility, are easier to depict in drawing, than to force a flesh and blood person, strapped up wirh bluesuit, and hardware extensions, or even some cringy CGI. Making the practical effects for Grievous might have been one thing, but for Kenobi, it might've been worse. Apart from that, I sometimes wondered if it might have been a reflection of his body? I liked to imagine that, mighty as his cybernetics were, over time, what was left of the Kaleesh Warlord might start to reject them? Beyond that, it's certainly fitting that, as things progressed, the Jedi would learn more about him, and the mystique of Grievous would slowly decrease. Last bit, and maybe it's just me, but perhaps in those earlier bouts, the Jedi were still unprepared? What I mean by that is, while most Jedi do train with the lightsaber, the majority of them don't do so seriously. They know they might need to use it, but they rarely expect to run into anything truly threatening. Many people, simply upon learning they are facing a Jedi, just surrender, and even the fools who don't usually lack the veritable super powers Jedi have. The Sith had been extinct for a millennium, by their reckoning, so no one trained to fight foes with advanced abilities, wielding their weapons, and the ritualistic Jedi weren't prepared for a real threat of that magnitude. That a former Master, who knew that, and trained Grievous knowing that, certainly helped.

[@LordofInsanity685]

I like how you explained this conundrum. While I do agree with what you said I personally believe they were two different people as their backstories are different. I personally like how AFanWithTooMuchTime explains that discrepancy in his Star Wars vs 40k series in episode 31: The Dreamer Awakens. As it would make sense that Sidious and Dooku would want to replace legends Grevious without losing control of the droid armies by replacing him with another cyborg Kaleesh and giving him the same name creating canon Grevious.

[@Hinglemicringleberry]

It’s cool to hear doku’s training with grievous. I guess he was a good student. strategic enough to remember his training and stick to the game plan.

[@Gor85]

It's great he got final version. He deserves it. I agree,one of the main reasons he wins is fear. Jedi see this cyborg spider-like creature and they fear. They gained much experience later. They had many battles against this monstrosity and learned how to fight. Fear,supprise and intimidation. Great advices for Batman too. Criminals are superstitious. And he uses this against them. Just to draw parallel. May the Force be with you.

[@georgemoussa7442]

I genuinely think Grevious actually got weaker. The fact is Grevious’ brain is made to develope each second, and it was stated that he is constantly learning and he gets more powerful. Eventually he would have been a threat to dooku and sidious in terms of raw combat ability. He held his own against Mace and was about to exceed him resorting in Mace crushing his throat to flee the battle. When mace crushed his body initially, his remaining organs received severe damage hampering his cyborg physical capabilities.

[@LordJosef]

I really wish they kept Grevious as the super badass villain like he was in legends. It’s mostly because George Lucas couldn’t make up his mind on what he wanted with the character :(

[@landonletterman831]

Even more, being a Jedi means you can sense another's emotions as easily as an average Joe walks into a room and can smell breakfast being cooked. General Grievous gets into the same area as a Jedi, they're going to sense him, and _nothing_ can prepare you from "smelling" _that_ for the first time: Damage incarnate moving faster than it feels like it should, burning anger in what remains of something that.... _should not be!_

[@vnep5743]

At some point he lost his mechanic, leaving him with no one he could trust to oil his joints.

[@TravisSwan]

The general's story sounds like a brand new car slowly losing its edge as time progressed.

[@davecurry5604]

Grievious greatess weekness a a simple phrase of gallantry in Hello There. It literally takes away 5000 hit points.

[@HazopGaze]

I've given this a lot of thought over time, and mostly come to the same conclusions. One of which that wasn't directly mentioned was that by the end of the war, there weren't many easy targets for Grievous to even go after. He filtered out the weaker Jedi, and left only the most difficult of battles to fight.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Spot on analysis on why Grevious over time, becoming less of a wrecking ball when it came to defeating and killing his Jedi opponents during the clone wars.

[@scottbirkinshaw2009]

He wore out after fighting jedi over and over. Like any power machine, the more powerful, the more sensitive its components. Even a tank wears out over time. I would imagine Greevy couldn't just get replacement parts a the mech yard. He was more likely a prototype than anything else. An experiment in replacing the biological with the technological as far as is possible. Such things don't last.

[@grimthehaunter1330]

I would have just kept the Grievous from the 2003 micro series and just put him in the 2008 Clone Wars series cuz I loved that version of Grievous and I still do

[@Canes2311]

That Grevious was terrifyingly powerful. Put the fear of god into Jedi without even showing himself.

[@warwulf1889]

I guess you could say it's a classic case of creating a new character so strong you accidentally write yourself into a corner on what to do about him.

[@MrEffectfilms]

Interesting. So Grievous didn't get weak, everyone else just got stronger. It's a lot like Batman, when Batman strikes fear into his enemies he's basically won the fight before it even begins and most of the time they won't even bother fighting him and just run. But when someone like Bane or Deathstroke are not only not afraid of him but can actively keep up with him in a fight then Batman has a real challenge and may even retreat himself if he needs to.

[@abdelali9279]

TartaGODvsky: A cunning, calculating and cold warrior, Jedi hunter, neither a living creature nor a droid, but a living nightmare. Lucazzz: Nah, more like a cowardly, mustache twirling recurring villain. pls, is just a meme :)

[@MichaelHesterII1356]

I usually look at Legends and Cannon Grevious as two completely different characters, but after this video, I think I can see the two as the same or similar. You brought out and explained great points!

[@IronGoldie]

It's an interesting theory to try and reconcile the inconsistencies of the real life writing. My only thing is even saying "he was growing weaker during the war" doesn't feel entirely consistent to me. The Battle of Dathomir is apparently set in 20BBY, and as the new Tales of the Empire shows, he slaughtered Morgans mother and many Nightsisters with ease. And they aren't exactly slouches with The Force themselves. The Son of Dathomir comics, based on the shows storyline, approximately takes place in 19BBY, and is the issue where you show him crushing beskar with his hands and feet, an impressive feat all by itself. In that comic, he literally walks though an actual fight using The Force, seemingly unaffected, to kill Mother Talzin. You also mentioned the unfinished season seven fight with Obi-Wan, where he hands Obi-Wan his ass in about twenty seconds. That seems to, at least according to Wookieepedia, take place before Son of Dathomir. If anything, going by the chronological order, it almost seems like the writers were trying to build him back up in later seasons of TCW as someone closer to the old Legends version. I suppose we'll never fully know though, with how the shows ended. It seems like this theory works if you focus on the Jedi alone getting more used to his tactics. Of course, the real life reasoning is different people wanting different things for the character, and there being a constant push and pull of how strong to make him. I, personally, cannot reconcile looking at a character design like that, and going "Yep, he's a coward". But hey, I don't work for LucasFilm nor am I beholden to any corporate politics and having to work within those confines. All in all, neat video. I was coming in pretty skeptical, I won't lie.

[@SilentFlames907]

At the end of the 2d clone wars Grievous got his chest crushed in by Mace Windu which definitely weakened him quite a bit; since the coughing and wheezing never stopped, we can assume that his injuries were unable to heal fully if at all. In the canon, Grievous is still a menace except when he's taking on exceptional force users like Obi Wan, Ashoka and Anakin. Kit Fisto was a master of a form suited to taking on multiple lightsabers, as well as a Jedi Council member, and Grievous was injured. Ventress gets shit on a lot, but by the time of their duel she was strong enough to hold her own against duelists like Anakin, Obi Wan, Maul and Dooku, so no surprise that she was strong enough to beat him.

[@normanosborn1277]

Why? Because the plot required him to get massively nerfed.

[@trollking6315]

Or it could simply be that Lucas couldnt make up his mind how he wanted him to be, a moustache twirling goofy coward, or a scary imposing force.

[@Adamhauk22]

There is some particularly badass fan art of General Greivous

[@barrackobama2422]

Your assessment would be valid if the original clone wars series didn't show the battle of Courasant. General Grievous clearly still intimidates the jedi and regularly dodges their force attacks. It's clear that this General Grievous is still more powerful than the newer one. Kit Fisto is good but he's not better than 5 jedi all fighting at once. The only reason any jedi ever defeated him was because of the force. Mace Windu was able to crush his chest from a distance which is likely something he had not known jedi could/would do. Obi Wan only defeated him by giving himself to the force and by using that to optimize his perfect defense. The fact is they wrote Grievous the way they did in the newer series because they needed a childish villain for a kids show. Tartokovsky wrote a villain for saga about politics with themes of heroes and sacrifices. TL:DR One Grievous was written for kids and is goofy while the other is written for all audiences and is a mature addition to the star wars universe.

[@jackstraw522]

He also seemed to have a health issue that might’ve hampered him as time went on

[@Idkidkidk716]

For anyone who has played Star wars republic commandos those super battle droids were no joke.

[@StardustMagician420]

Canon answer: he got nerfed because he already OP w/o the force so they gotta make a cyborg monster w/o the force weaker than master force wielders

[@Treisiess]

I wonder if part of it could be due to the law of diminishing returns due to the constant maintenance he would need to be under to remain in top form. Battle field fatigue is a real thing and could potentially affect him as much as an organic soldier. In this case it would come in the form of wear and tear on his servos and drives. Akin to nickle and diming a high mileage vehicle till it eventually reaches the end of its useful life. Add to it the fact Grievous is still part organic and you can clearly hear signs of his health deteriorating in revenge of the sith suggesting he too was had peaked in value and was now depreciating.

[@nikolaymihaylov7909]

Grievous was nerrfed , because Lukas Team understood that the introduction to this new character was made too OP , obviously if that would be to continue, his defeat wont be so smoothly concluded to the saga. Its easier to be turned into a coward and scratched off the story , than being unstoppable machine of death ...

[@Spyro2292]

Id kill for a game that feels like Fallen order/Jedi survivor, but I get to be Grievous during his prime.

[@naterksmr]

If someone crushed my lungs, I'd probably be a lot weaker too

[@randomramblings2325]

Revenge of the Sith novelisation my apologies, dictation wasn’t working

[@zerrierslizer1]

why did he get weaker? because he was designed to become weaker the closer he got to the end goal of Sidious' plan. Sidious needed him only for as long as the war lasted. afterwards, he would be tossed asside regardless of what good work he did. he was expendable, just like Dooku was.

[@AokosBriefcase]

EU Grevious stomps because EU power levels are on an entirely different level from Disney. You can't compare them by default. EU Padawans would be high-tiers in Disney.

[@andrewchapman2024]

1. Darth sideous refused to let Anakin anywhere near grievous because he was worried Anakin would be defeated. 2. Mace windu refused to fight grievous because grievous was always getting better and basically downloading every lightsaber style he came into contact with. I'm calling bull.

[@manuelbetances809]

He’s back as a menace in the Disney plus mini series

[@chadflanaganCFC]

I wouldn't say that his fight against Fisto is Grevious at his weakest, every single advantage was working for Fisto, the incident I'd include in this video was when he let five younglings, and a Padawan escape him.

[@animeman8203]

That Padawan was Ahsoka who had faced him before, and she had been growing far more powerful since then. She was constantly on the front lines and constantly improving.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

I'm not discounting that, but comparing that instance to him being handily defeated by a master of Shi Cho who was absolutely in his element, and in the mindset to face Grevious you can't really fault Grevious losing that one, but to lose against younglings and a Padawan (not discounting the Padawan.) but like that shows clearly how different the approach to facing Grevious evolved as the Clone Wars went on.

[@animeman8203]

@@chadflanaganCFC I wouldn't say he lost, more they got away.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

There's plenty of ways to measure success, imo a cyborg who was rebuilt with the express purpose to be able to kill Jedi, who managed to hold his own against 4 severely weakened Jedi Masters some of which were council members, holding his own against Kit Fisto in an encounter heavily stacked against Grevious. Only to later have Jedi younglings escape is without a doubt a lost on his part, and again shows how much the Jedi had changed during the war.

[@landonletterman831]

What tickles me is that fighting Grievous basically equals working at a waste-water treatment facility. Every other Jedi: _"UGH!_ What *_IS_* that!?!?" Obi-Wan: "Don't worry, you get used to it....."

[@nicholasblahblahblah1913]

It could also be hypothesized that the rudimentary cybernetics were degrading.

[@blackpython204]

Nah it’s just Disney messing up continuity… as usual… but kind of u to try to make sense of his de buff. He was still op in the battle of corusant and in the novel and movie they only felt obi wan was qualified to fight grevious due to his soresu form.. even mace windu felt he was adapting and learning his form while fighting him in the comics. The Jedi didn’t grow stronger than him. He just got merged to gungan level. There’s no making sense of it and it’s an insult to his teacher dooku to say otherwise. He even beat ventress to become general

[@mattturner6017]

People always fear what they don't know. "Oh, General Grievous? Yeah, I know him."

[@demonrosario5398]

General grievous with magma sabors would be a god throwing magna everywhere

[@Archdornan9001]

Grievous was lucky Shaggy wasn't even using 0.000001% of his power.

[@jimmymcgoochie5363]

“Grievous will run, like he always does” makes a lot more sense in this context.

[@Kingalien20]

Im glad he went back to his old content its far more entertaining in my opinion 😄

[@Harrison_big_lad]

Gorge wrote him to be a mustache twirling mini boss in order to separate him from Vader

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

Stupid choice... He's already different from Vader. Does Vader collect Jedi lightsabers?

[@User-b9q2z]

Gorge

[@emperorxander666]

Legends was to powerful gorge fear him for he used the nerf hammer.

[@zphill248]

Didn't George come out and say that the "legends"/2000s animated show version wasn't "okayed" by him or something along those lines? He didn't want another Vader, Vader is supposed to be the juggernaut jedi ender not the general. So that version isn't even legends. But more of a fan adaptation?

[@hyquiemistheg.o.a.t1671]

Let’s not forget that Grevious was one of the few generals in the CIS attempting to actually win the war. Each Jedi general he’d come against was just another chess board he had to navigate through.

[@TheCulturedMan34]

Like to believe a combination of wear and tear as well as much stronger opponents eventually outcrept his power

[@reviews.7399]

I’m all about Legends.

[@grandmyotismon]

Fisto didn't really hand grievouses ass to him to be fair. He did retreat after all even if he did take back his padawns saber, and put the general on the back claw

[@daniels7907]

Should have been easy to use the Force to rupture the sack containing his remaining organs. But Jedi lack imagination.

[@OdiVonDobi22]

"Age well, sissies do not..." -Motivational Yoda poster at Jedi gym

[@BlueDeath-r13]

Thank Dave Filoni and the 2008 clone wars series for reconning Grievous and the original writings of Star Wars. 2003 was far better. Legends is best.

[@darixenous_shadowscale]

Grievous was never seen as a coward And everyone knows his history by now.

[@v1buster561]

I think that ship on Hypori is an Acclamator, not a Venator

[@northumbriabushcraft1208]

Nice video. But legends Grievous vs canon Grievious is jist good writing vs bad writing.

[@randomramblings2325]

Technically, speaking, because the revenge of the Sith novelisation is based upon the screenplay written our approved rather by George Lucas, I consider that canon regardless of how previous was portrayed in the 2008 clone war series

[@mauriciomartell2433]

Men, it sure took them long to find a good excuse

[@taylormadealpha]

Windu. Mace Windu crushed his chest and that was that lol.

[@barnettmcgowan8978]

Awesome job!

[@Camopar87]

I used to hate him and thought he was just a coward because I'd only seen him in the movies and they make him look like a coward. Turns out he was actually bad ass

[@Dilllonm]

He was never the same after the force crush by windu

[@Negetive2digit]

"Sha'a gi! And those four!" -Space Dracula, probably

[@Kaminoextragalactic]

Imagine Grievous with the sith force and beskar body.

[@toastyunavailable5197]

Even when General Grievous is cybernetic, He of course is Nude

[@mynamesnotdan]

i forgot that grievous killed shaggy

[@ImperatorCaesar1]

He got weaker because Filoni neutered him in the 2008 series.

[@farmerpandasyoutube4800]

at the start most jedi hadnt been focused on combat, but years later they had all been hardened. and over time he has likely taken damage

[@luna775]

OR... her me out... They fucked up.. (more likely giving the state of star war's corpse)

[@cjsaurus4120]

it makes sense survivors return and tell there expiriences and put together how he fights

[@OrangeHatReviews]

In the Revenge of the Sith novelization, he and Kenobi only met for the first time on the bridge of the Invisible Hand. This video does a good job at showing the decline in quality from Legends to Diz-canon. Them trying to merge the canons is an insult, in my opinion.

[@benisaac5615]

Ah? You do know that mandalorien armor of death watch and of the clone wars was not pure baskar right? Along with that legends Grievous survived a explosion that caused a surface of a planet falling on him and explosion.

[@timothyjacks1788]

Let's also not for get that legends Grievous was a far superior Jedi killer, with hundreds of sabers in his collection, compared to the few dozen in cannon

[@nicholassmalley3026]

Great video!

[@mRibbons]

I would love to fight Grievous on game a la Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor combat.

[@lordofpain3476]

I think that windu crushing his lungs may have weakened Grevious a bit too .

[@speedshift1014]

I still consider a thought, that General Grievous was simply a test for the Jedi to help train/force them to be able to become more of a combat group. This would cause not only more imbalance in the Jedi core leading to doubt and so on but also cause a need for the dark side to grow in power in order to balance out the lights increase in ability. The Emperor was no fool and even though I believe he didn’t like it, he understood that the dark and the light balance each other and if he “destroyed” the Jedi they would win yes but no longer have a natural equal and thus possibly leading to the Sith getting complacent and eventually loosing their place of power. The same thing happened in a way with the clone wars, and like the clone wars the general took out many Jedi helping to make it more difficult for the Jedi to win.

[@owainlloyddavies7107]

Honestly, I would have thought the stress of war and his ageing biological copponents would have been the main reason.

[@Pummelz_]

Grievous is a powerful cheater, in the revenge of the sith novelization they talk about how grievous is no Jedi but he is a powerful warrior, the Jedi have the natural advantage over him so he has to play it smart and know when it’s time to retreat, this is why most of the time we see him he has the element of surprise, or has his magna guards take over the fight and do his dirty work as soon as he’s on the back foot, that’s why utapau was the trap that it was, it was supposed to be the perfect Jedi trap, for both grievous and Palpatine because grievous thought it was a trap for kenobi which it was, but it was mainly a trap for all of the Jedi, palpating made sure kenobi went to utapau and split up the Jedi because he knew it was time for order 66 and the turning of anakin, however grievous is a powerful warrior and if he’s going against a non force user he would win in a heartbeat, dooku also brings up these points in the original clone wars mini series

[@alphawolfryu]

I wish they would make a grievous origin story on how he became a fearsome cyborg the transition into the cyborg

[@ox8833]

Fantastic video