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[@estebansanchez7407]

Love Hades aspect. We need a quick spin+massive spin run.

[@omerta926]

Seconded! Was about to ask if it’s possible to get both…it’s been a while since I’ve played

[@RJR4646]

18:00 Massive Spin in this scenario is not about the dmg, but apply the debuff quicker and from a far distance

[@BFedie518]

If anyone is wondering why Sweet Surrender isn't good: the +% from the attack boon is not affected by the +15% from Sweet Surrender. That +10/15% *only* applies to the *base* damage. If you have a base damage of 50, an attack boon that gives you +80%, and Sweet Surrender giving you 10%, your damage formula is: 50 * (1 + 0.8 + 0.1) = 50 * 1.9 = 95 *It is not* 50 * 1.8 * 1.1 = 99 It's basically equivalent to a pom. In some cases, a pom actually is better.

[@ivancarlos4951]

??

[@BFedie518]

@@ivancarlos4951 Is this confusion about my explanation or disbelief that it works this way?

[@ivancarlos4951]

@@BFedie518 former

[@fay1121]

Wait so let's say I get Aphro's special (+80%) on Sword , so 50*(1+0.8) and get Sweet Surrender (+10%), so now do I deal 50*(1+0.8+0.1) or 50*1.1*1.9?

[@BFedie518]

@@fay1121 50 * (1 + 0.8 + 0.1)

[@shanedsouza189]

My favourite combination with the Hades spear is actually poseidon with any of the secondary Poseidon boons. The idea is to clear rooms really fast by having enemies smash into the walls and such. Not great in asphodel but it's insane for elysium clearing/styx which i find to be the hardest parts of the runs.

[@andreassmed2255]

1:24 Hades teaching his son to curse… Truly THE DAD of all time.

[@curtandrewsjr.8163]

“Hey son, FUCK. Say it with me. F-U-C-K.”

[@MrEdwardpullman]

Love how educated you've made me about when I take hammers. Then you have the few times where the second hammer doesn't get offered until Styx or at all...

[@Haelian]

RIP

[@pumbaa667]

30:18 "Hades II, the bitch is back" Damn I want that subtitle ! 😆

[@Pretty_Boy_Music]

Yo Haelian! Spiritfall is getting a massive update tomorrow (the 13th as I’m posting this) that gives the final god and I’d love to see you cover it. Since you last played it there’s a new region, multiple npcs, and run alteration focused gameplay tweaks so your iconic specialized builds can thrive. Keep being awesome and the best roguelike KZbinr I know 🤙

[@aaronlund4250]

Thanks for this! Completely changed my perspective on what used to be my least favorite aspect because I was so focused on spinning and ignoring special hammers. Just got my highest heat spear clear with Deadly Flourish, Exploding launcher + Charged Skewer plus some Chaos, Rush delivery and Billowing strength for extra spice. It tore up EM4 dad like he was nothing.

[@Omnicloud7strife]

Fun video. I’ve been leaning towards Achilles lately, but I used to love this one. Maybe I should pick it up again. Thanks for these KZbin exclusives during Soulstember!

[@Quyzbuk86]

Yeah I definitely should've been using something like this when I brute forced a 40+ with this aspect. I always lean toward the spin hammers and outright ignore anything to do with the special. Even with serrated point the damage just feels so lackluster on the heroes & dad fight and they just drag.

[@quandary23]

"Zeus just won't leave us alone" (3:58) appreciate the myth accuracy from the devs there

[@jawnney]

Hades 2: Chthonic Bogaloo

[@variousthings6470]

Hades 2: Jolted Boogaloo

[@alibobdagreat2834]

I’ve been saying this for soo long and they all called me crazy for it

[@spiritbond8]

this was just an explosive launcher run...

[@DoppelgangerTH]

​@@spiritbond8Don't talk to him, he's crazy

[@DoppelgangerTH]

@Haelian easier to play with other aspects dealing similar or higher damage with less setup. Aspect of Hades feels like mental gymnastics with far stretches comparatively. (Personal opinion)

[@alibobdagreat2834]

@@HaelianI always liked using serrated edge with hades spear

[@Haelian]

@@alibobdagreat2834 Sorry my reply was meant for the other commenter, didn't seem to work though lol

[@verzephyra]

Just did a quick spin + massive spin with Hades aspect today and it was soooo fun and one of my best times! Can hit entire chambers /corners depending on the layout

[@kaioken301]

Good run. Would love to see an all weapons speedrun with the Olympus mod on one day.

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

Favourite aspect 🙌 thanks for the food papa

[@atrixospithikos]

Actually poseidon if you get all the extra boons especially breaking wave and razor shoals works wonders for the spin to win build, fast spin hammer required though and zeus on something to get the duo with poseidon spin becomes op

[@cribzero9974]

hurt to watch you sell hunters mark! Strong drink is just additive percent, which, on top of all your other damage buffs, really only was increasing your damage by a couple percent, but epic hunters mark, plus PP and the 20% on the special means that you could essentially maintain a chain of near 100% crit damage, increasing your total output by potentially double!

[@Haelian]

Nah Hunter's Mark won't do much versus dad with so few mobs and that was the only fight worth considering at that point.

[@jerds9293]

Spin to win, baybee!

[@soraearth]

Hades aspect is so hard, although I escaped a couple of times. I don't get big damage numbers, it's a slow whittling away thing for me

[@ibrahimbeats]

I had no idea the buff didn't affect the spin!!! I've been doing this all wrong for so long lmao

[@DNABeast]

I love the Hades spin. I turn fiery presence on and go to town. I find I really struggle if I turn on the pack that speeds up the enemies though.

[@Kavukamari]

it's always right when you're doing well that tina vermin shows up

[@Kavukamari]

two of the worst rooms in styx and you got em

[@arrtemfly]

very helpful! spear is one arm i struggle with, so this is super informative, thanks. also didn't know about hugging dad xD

[@zan4336]

I feel like spin builds are actually pretty strong if you use it properly but it's kinda hard to do with forced overtime and stuff. That's why Guan Yu is probably the most underrated aspect.

[@BrendanStuart]

Hades 2: Revelations

[@sr.lontra]

Love WIPPING the screen as the enemies are about to spawn and giving a massive damage boost to whoever is still alive

[@yukotrey9422]

You should do an educational video on all the gods including the Olympus extra ones

[@Haelian]

How do you mean? Can you be more specific?

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

​@@HaelianI'm guessing they mean something like the general gist of each of the gods' main contributions as well as what boons might be best for which weapons.

[@Kavukamari]

i like going into massive + quick spin because the aoe is HUGE, dying lament might be pretty pog for that because you can almost hit the entire screen, and if you have a high damage boost or some other effect that could be really strong

[@Kavukamari]

all this time i thought the spin damage was also boosted by the 150%, imagine the results if i was playing the game right

[@Kavukamari]

i honestly think massive spin for spreading debuffs is great, im pretty sure it does spread them, otherwise i guess ive been using it wrong

[@madelinelove5150]

You don't recommend EM4 for 32 heat but here I am doing it for like 20 heat lol

[@Haelian]

It's a fun pact and I'll often run it at 20 heat myself but I definitely wouldn't recommend it for someone trying to snag a new heat record win for themselves.

[@joshc1334]

I was just wondering if you would ever consider doing a guan yu spin to win build as I love playing these builds but they only sometimes work for me

[@Haelian]

It's dependent on the hammers, here's an oldy with us doing it kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2K8qZ-Fbqdsbbs

[@landios9555]

so you talked about aspect of achilleies i was wondering what the general consensus on it was because i think it's really stupid in a funny way

[@Haelian]

Best spear aspect

[@MarkusAndersen96]

of all the weapons I used, the spear was the most frustrating and took the most tries to get a clear on. Maybe purely personal but god I hate the spear.

[@Topaz542]

My first (and so far ONLY) spear win was with Hades spear

[@inlieuofsense9521]

u should try a cast build with the achilles spear, get some artemis for crits and use poseidon in special and cas and possibly call, the special knocks foes away to keep u safe and also bffs the cast to some crazy damage (use the regeneratimg cast) then spec into knock away damage and pick rupturing boons from poseudon if possible. hermes auto reload for quicker cast regeneration and your quoite powerful its just the opposite of hades spear, u dont want to build into the spin

[@Topaz542]

​@@inlieuofsense9521believe me I've tried lmao. The spear just makes zero sense to me

[@VOWARANT]

I like using Demeter and Aphrodite on it and getting even more damage with Privileged Status

[@1TieDye1]

It’s frustrating that the damage boost doesn’t apply to the spin.

[@Marcus-oj9xw]

32 heat Perfect Clear. Got damn. I've done that on 20 heat only

[@JustinSmith-kg4kb]

I never thought about it until now, can you pom Strong Drink? I don't recall ever seeing it offered, or why you'd throw a pom on it vs other boons

[@Haelian]

Nah you can't.

[@LOLFLUSHDRAW]

the goofy ass laugh after the spin joke was amazing

[@RyuuTadashi]

Does it drive anyone else a little crazy that he skips so many rewards? Like jewels and darkness? I know he doesnt need em at this point, but shinies!

[@littlebumgorf]

Hades 2 HELLISH boogaloo. I’m applying your tips and I’m doing better, almost all my weapons are at 20 heat. 32 heat I’ve gotten once but it kicks my butt most of the time. unfortunately at this point I need to be faster, dodge better, get good basically 😅

[@noasphere6869]

I kinda like seeing your unlucky runs. Your extremely lucky runs are fun, don't get me wrong. But like in this run when you lost your epic hunters mark and you dealt with it gets me in into the kinda cold gamers rush mode, even though I'm obviously not playing.

[@AlonsoQuesadaMartinez]

Why do the end screen says you have 51 total clears, but the weapon rundown shows only this clear? Is this a special file for high heat runs?

[@Haelian]

This is a speedrun file that's shared on speedrun dot com. I have to reset my save on occasion for a few reasons, namely big mods like the one that adds new Gods and for the sake of speedrunning (more run attempts = longer load times).

[@josephus316]

Not nearly enough discussion about Sisqo in this comment section.

[@TeaserTravlein]

Why does aspect of hades not look like the spear hades uses

[@DNABeast]

Aspect of Hades is his old spear. There's some dialogue about how he used to use it but upgraded to the new one.

[@Haelian]

Damn even I don't remember this

[@Mekkkah]

Hades's trident is Gigaros. Zag Spear is Varatha.

[@RJR4646]

The punishment dmg works on EVERYTHING. It means that if you have passive ways to do dmg without push buttons works great... LIGHTING ROD LOL Edit: This is a joke guys. Both Aspect of Hades and Lighting Rod sucks

[@Omnicloud7strife]

It only applies to Attack and Special damage. Says so in the description.

[@RJR4646]

@@Omnicloud7strife Yep, its more about a joke to trying make Lighting Rod good, but doesnt work

[@Omnicloud7strife]

@@RJR4646 Oh, okay. Misunderstood your comment as serious, lol. My bad.

[@DoppelgangerTH]

​@Omnicloud7strife it really didn't come across as a joke. Don't be sorry for that.

[@RJR4646]

@@DoppelgangerTH Maybe the "LOL" part was not enough... i should be more clear

[@spritgris]

nice video

[@seretith3513]

You don't allways need a subtitle Halo is probably a good example for that

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

can't stand all this spear propaganda smh

[@FTCoconutman]

Lies! Aphro call charms hades out of his beam attack i find it useful

[@Haelian]

You can hug dad in the middle of the beams to avoid damage (as long as it's not EM4). Another dunk on Aphro, swish

[@FTCoconutman]

@@Haelian Dad must not like my hugs i just get zapped lol. I concede my point.

[@Kavukamari]

PomChamp

[@IDESTROYER236]

Hades 2: Thanatussy.