Why has Mbeki lashed out at Ramaphosa? | Inside Story

[@unpopularopinionmzansi8334]

At this point South Africa needs saving from the ANC if we are being honest. The looting of state resources is destroying the country. The ANC is now the biggest problem and a stumbling block in the face of development and growth

[@paulkristiansen3450]

Mismanagement - theft ,collapsed Education system and politicians that are clueless

[@paulkristiansen3450]

As we see the US and EU is collapsing under the ideology of wokism NWO ideology ,globalism and other constructed threats ie the Plandemic ala WHO ,B Gates et al ,Climate change , digital currency etc etc ' - Brics offers hope from this Western Construct thats why Russia and China are under attack (imperialism) - the problem is this "President" is a sell out to Globalism ' South Africa has a last chance tp break free and become a sovereign nation - was that not the ideals of Walter Sisulu,Mandela etc

[@normandubowitz1965]

Someone with a brain!

[@qureshasithaldeen7087]

We know what to do - vote😊

[@jamesbond0004]

it is so painful to listen to any ANC person speaks. they actually believe what they say. they are far hidden from reality of suffering of our people. anc is so arrogant, so disturbingly lost

[@CharlesRexElizabethRegina]

I had an ANC guy living in my apartment (I'm in the UK) and I was that sick of his arrogance and race hate I threw him out.

[@khositectdesign4098]

@@CharlesRexElizabethRegina LOL

[@ledilempyatona4486]

They are out of touch nd delusional

[@jemimaasante8927]

The same in Ghana with the NPP with Nana Addo what is this?

[@dannyarcher6370]

Bunch of illiterate terrorists.

[@lubaniskie]

It's not an attack, I think it's a clear warning for caution. It's not meant to be aggressive, it's how grown men with no hostility talk about serious issues with one another, with the gravity it deserves

[@mphomabuza9331]

If he had no ulteriour motive he would not have critisized him in puplic.Their rivalry comes from as far as the Mandela erra.

[@hansza7845]

Don't agree, We need action ASAP. It was an attack already 15years ago. What you going to do when Eskom declares Black out!. Start Now Building new Power Station not only Fixing the old one. Millions of people getting free electricity! and the people who pay must just pay more... common. It's going down brother or Sister!

[@princemaphiri9813]

Let's ramaphosa and state capture and judge Zonda fix this corruption. Our beautiful country will be world wide respected

[@rosatiimumadomingos7639]

@@mphomabuza9331 I disagree with you. If a person commits an error is private, then I would say that he/she should be given the courtesy to be rebuked in private. But what we see here is utter unhinged behaviour by the ANC and Cyril. He has fraud and kidnapping charges against him already in his first term. If Cyril can deem it 'okay' to misuse state money and think the public will see it as 'busy as usual' then he must be prepared to be rebuked by the public as well. We don't live luxuriously like the old man, the least he could do is not misuse state monies and save our people from shear poverty. It has never, even been about the ANC, the mission has always been for the people to have better livelihoods relative to what was had during apartheid. Just because these old men went through the struggle should not justify their reasons for why they failed post-apartheid now, they should know better. I say this with respect. Peace be with you.

[@youtubeacc6059]

From a former failure? Stupid at at current level, stop making children if there is no future for them

[@oupalekoloane5211]

ANC is like that typical boss who always promises change but no change happens. Lies after lies

[@NonaManis229]

*ANC* 👏😊 Yes! 🤔

[@jugghead-1975]

Simply says the right thing then does nothing and doesn't care who knows it ! Pathetic leaders such as these are a cancer to their people and have to be cut out!

[@delanocruz7958]

ANC is just an upgraded version of ZANU PF

[@sandilencala896]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MusehanaH]

@@delanocruz7958 , please keep you Zim issues in Zim

[@gregshark1546]

Its not just Ramaphosa's anc, it is the entire anc for the last 20 years and Mbeki was NO EXCEPTION!

[@mo-africamoderntechnologie3191]

You're on point, but for ANC to renew or cleanse itself must have a starting point, and without fairness, it must start with the current president Ramaphosa to remove him from power. That's what Mmusi had also said that would give confidence, not to ANC but ordinary citizens of South Africa

[@siviwesigwela1]

And also include then the conductive parties and others before them who made sure the economic transformation does not happen, you PW Botha and the rest. Most black people were in poverty then and got better in the time of Mbeki.

[@gregshark1546]

@@siviwesigwela1 yes during the time of the Nat party many blacks were in poverty and majority lived in the rural areas. At the time there was no vision of 'economic transformation' (absolute unknown) unless you would call 'independent homelands' such. What did happen back then was industrial zones created in rural areas that provided thousands of jobs and these of course are very dilapidated now (wonder why?). Since the anc came to power they strangled the industrial zones to close off existing jobs and encouraged all blacks to move to cities, which they did. So you want to see poverty, well thanks to the anc there are hundreds of slum shanty towns all around the cities and urban areas that @hopeforfuture is the 'poverty' you see! Most black people did not get better under mbeki - remember the aids denialist caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people! Most certainly there has been an improvement in the lives of blacks since 1994 (during Mandela years) and then especially if politically connected, family member of a politician, cadre or just a plain corrupt thief. That your 'economic transformation' does not happen has got nothing to do with "you PW Botha and the rest" and has everything to do with the failed marxist ideology of the anc and their racist bee laws. Why does the anc have to 'protect' a 90% majority from and 8% minority?

[@gregshark1546]

@@ingamgoduka57 yo 'dude' - 'research'? you mean what, wiki or a single web site or do you mean like a proper study of economics and a concomitant degree? Well aggregating your 35 years takes us back to 1987 and 'do your research' you will notice the economy was in fact far better than the last 15 years and even with world sanctions! You can dismiss the 'apartheid economy' as much as you wish but the fact is that it existed and was strong. In fact had the 'apartheid economy' not been so it would have probably been in the region of 3 to 4x stronger since the 70's. It was very strong in the 60's when there was better than parity between ZAR and US$. The sanction years did a lot of damage to the RSA economy and the growth that occurred since '94 was off the a back of a severely sanction depressed economy - one would expect to achieve 4-5% growth at the very least.

[@unpopularopinionmzansi8334]

Mbeki sits at the heart of the biggest health disaster of South Africa, he missed the boat in the fight against HIV/AIDS. The ANC has served its purpose (“liberation”) now our people need a new path.

[@nhlanhla6]

Let’s not rewrite history, Ramaphosa wasn’t jailed anywhere.

[@aluphelatontsi5229]

He was jailed a little time if not days but he rescued by saying he was forced those principles he doesnt believed those belifs hewas captred be because he was a proxy to activists. He was born a sellout that one😂😂

[@carlomikhailreid4365]

Those that were jailed most should be sent back

[@njabulombuyazi5132]

in 1974 and 1976 he was detained and kept under solitary confinement for Eleven months and Six months respectivelly. I think they are referring to that when he was involved with SASO (South African Students Organisation) and BPC (Black People's Convention).

[@aviweyantolo5023]

@@carlomikhailreid4365 that's how apartheid fans think

[@carlomikhailreid4365]

@@aviweyantolo5023 isnt that how the ones still using pit toilets and living shacks feel?

[@crude-za]

We all agree that the ANC has to go. We are a great country with capable people and all the resources to be the best, but ANC incompetence and corruption is all that stands in our way. As a democratic country, we have to wait for the right time to remove the ANC at the polls in 2024 or if we try to remove them now, we ris destroying the pillars of our Democratic states and who we are as a nation. We will wait for now untill 2024 when we can take our country back on the path of progress.

[@simphiwemkhatshwa6779]

Exactly. They won the elections and should be removed via the elections.

[@dineodipela1484]

Who do you think can take us to the land of honey and milk? I’m afraid no one. All politicians are the same. Even if we can elect you, after putting you on the high seat you will start nepotism. Mbeki,Mbeki just show one thing you did to uplift economy nothing. Explosion 💥 started way back during his term. We jumped out of hot water into extremely hot oil when we voted black government. Mbeki just shut up 🤐 and stop blaming President Ramaphosa as if you did better. You Mmushi disgusting 🤢 DA threw you in the drain because of your stupidity mxe where’s your smalonyana party. President Ramaphosa be strong than ever and leave this one with everything white on his face. He is bitter

[@praisemavasa2414]

They need to vy absolutely. Tired of them

[@crude-za]

@@praisemavasa2414 , there is a time for every leadership and this time is totally not for the ANC. They can only do damage in this era, they cannot help the country with anything

[@johnkuma6867]

ANC must be voted out by any citizen who lovs this country and ANC must be punished so severely never to ever rise again for the pain it has visited on us after entrusting it with governance.

[@sivuyilemtsi9840]

Mmusi Maimane has definitely grown up politically. He sounds very mature and sound these days and I hope to see him go far a leader in our country.

[@jackholman5008]

Maimane is nothing he lost his fake job and now fighting for another just another politician

[@teeeceee624]

He represent personal ideas not that of a particular party - its the freedom

[@nkosimoyo6966]

I cant trust someone who's sacrificed his wealth to a regime thats tortured our ancestors for years

[@MusehanaH]

@@teeeceee624, exactly. He was never this vocal when he was DA leader...probably because he was told was not to say

[@simphiwegxekwa913]

hes always on point recently the only problem we didn't trust him

[@andrewnyathi_Sr]

👀👀" Ramaphosa was a freedom fighter who was jailed by apartheid regime “ ?? 🤣🤣🤣 🤔where was he jailed? In DOHA? I’m South African but I had no idea of everything this guy just said, I should watch more aljazeera to learn new things about my own country

[@luvuyosigxakuma1710]

😂 😂 😂... Imagine my brother..

[@cubandlovu6227]

He got arrested, remember Lekota accused him of being released within a short time because he was a sellout

[@bwanikajohn7002]

😂😂😂😂

[@njabulombuyazi5132]

in 1974 and 1976 he was detained and kept under solitary confinement for Eleven months and Six months respectivelly. I think they are referring to that when he was involved with SASO (South African Students Organisation) and BPC (Black People's Convention).

[@Big_Feli_Fel]

I'm also flabbergasted by these over exaggerated sentiments. Rama was an apartheid government's call guy.

[@paulamarsh1]

Impossible even to follow the ANC representative - poor communication skills, compared with Maimane and Gumede.

[@not.likely]

Absolutely! He was speaking down because he had nothing of substance to say. He couldn't face any of the questions, lets face it

[@clementmpushe5957]

Because it's not what you wanted to hear ! He's actually putting forward an ideological view of the situation, in that way he also addresses the current situation and also is directly confronting Maimane. Perhaps he's well over your league cognitively.

[@not.likely]

@@clementmpushe5957 ok. So evetyone is wrong and you are right The ANC is a highly successful party and has led SA to great levels of peace and prosperity... Happy now?

[@not.likely]

@@clementmpushe5957 Ok. Everone is wrong and you are right... The ANC has led SA to unprecedented high levels of peace, success and prosperity Happy now Mr. Patriot?

[@tn_kabe]

@@clementmpushe5957 nahhh u are wrong, but whether u support the ANC or not remember that we are prepared to die for the next generation if we have to, AnC must vay by forces if not by will

[@hazelnut_toffee]

Dakota… a whole embarrassment 😞

[@mfundomgidlana4700]

The spokesperson said nothing, he’s just being defensive😭Defending mediocrity SMH.

[@Nator_OfficialSA]

Mfwethu they don't even prepare for interviews how they can build a prosperous country

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

Mbeki addressed his own party the ANC that he is a member of and is currently involved in it renewal at grassroots level. The suggestion that he attacked Ramaphosa, is the narrative created by the media that lacks an imagination and an ability for a nuanced and critical analysis. He spoke truth 2 power and didn't say anything that is not true or not articulated daily by ordinary people.

[@mosesjacksonkarashani2642]

One, it was a wrong platform; two , he’s taking himself away from the problem which he partly created, he has been part of the leadership for the past 20+ years, sitting on higher meetings levels, what did he do about his claims?

[@NonaManis229]

*South Africa* 🇿🇦🇿🇦 👏😊 We have a RESPONSIBILITY to join TOGETHER on behalf of the world that we seek -- a world where extremists no longer threaten our people🌏! 😊👏😊👏😊👏😊👏😊👏😊👏😊

[@ramasodimalete2699]

True

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

@@mosesjacksonkarashani2642 maybe, but the ANC has always used funerals and memorials of ANC members especially to talk politics, even campaign for the ANC and launch verbal attacks at rivalries. True that Mbeki has been part of the ANC and the ruling party. My view is he is also capable of saying "masizinuke amakhwapha comrades" (lets snif our armpit comrades). On a positive note, at least we heard about "a national plan" 🧑‍💻 to address the power issues yesterday 🪔🕯

[@mambaman9363]

It’s painful to see airtime given to a retired ANC leader who in effect ran South Africa after 1994, first as deputy and then as president. It was he who was in charge of, and approved the Arms deal which started the rot. He also put a dampener on investigations of the deal and thereby set the direction in which the ANC and its cadres followed on most other procurement contracts. He was removed without saying a word more than 10 years ago, and replaced by a crooked system and party which he protected. South Africa needs a revolution to rid itself of the ANC and the system it has created. The words of Mbeki are a decade too late.

[@hendriklerou4902]

I totally agree

[@cncafrica]

Agree 100% even an early election will be a winner.

[@lenetwork634]

Uphambene vah 😂

[@siviwesigwela1]

I think we are too focused on what he didn't do. In his time corruption was not at the level SA found itself in. We should not forget that corruption is in all parties including the precious regime before ANC took over. TM was blocked by ANC and Malemas of the time in implementing implementing change that SA needed. The economy in his time was doing much better. A lot was much better.

[@mambaman9363]

@@siviwesigwela1 it does show how little power the South African presidency had in running the country. Of all the presidents to date it was Zuma who commanded the most power. He did this through corruption of networks in almost everything where taxpayer money could be got hold of. TM was not ruthless enough to cut the man out. Ramaphosa is not the one to lead SA out of the wilderness.

[@philltchigiya1229]

Dakota 😭, what an embarrassment

[@ntobekodube2081]

The man is a clown😂😂😂😂

[@zoepluto9550]

He doesn’t even understand the question..just saying anything

[@derss3283]

A reflection of the ANC. They are not driven by experience, skills, and knowledge - but camaraderie…the core reason for their failure.

[@tsholokokote1024]

Dakota is saying nothing in many words.

[@johnkuma6867]

He is a cadre and you know what cade means.Fools appointed because they sing the song but with nothing upstairs.

[@kagi2784]

As usual

[@tsek5616]

They have just over two years to plunder as much as they can.

[@lungelontombela9550]

As long as the anc is having these people like Dakota as the leaders they are doom to fail in everything, hes an example of what the Anc leadership is today just a bunch of clowns

[@africannews2956]

He was fumbling all along 😂

[@calvinchaba9717]

thats our country in a nutshell , he can even reason with the other two guest

[@MonwabisaSibiya]

Lies, Ramaphosa was never a Freedom fighter... he was a sellout throughout Apartheid times.

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

So with this knowledge how did black people in SA allow this fox to get into the hen's house-what do expect the fox to do when he gets into the hen's house-damage, damage..........

[@kagi2784]

@@agro-valleyfarm7217 what do you mean by "black people" don't throw every black person into Anc confused, stale, and corrupt politics and that of it's bizerk supporters.

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

@@kagi2784 Aren't the people who vote for these sale-outs black people? Aren't they the ones from 1994 who have kept these corrupt sale-outs in power? Truth is truth and it hurts.

[@africannews2956]

What is this ANC Dakota saying 🤣? He is literally the embodiment of the ANC.

[@johnkuma6867]

A TOTAL EMBARASSEMNT TO HIMSELF AND THE PARTY THAT SENT HIM THERE

[@MaritiNG]

If I have to hear one more time the "we are the instrument of liberation" excuse by the ANC, don't these people get tired of themselves

[@fatimalobi6382]

The ANC spoke person still laments on the country's economy being in the hands of minority, what has the ANC done along with Mbeki for the past 30 years to change that. The wealth and land of South Africa is still in the hands of white minority and until the window dressers address that appropriately, poverty and instability will be in avoidable.

[@W8rrfsdY73]

You’re lucky to have roads, food and manufacturing due to the white minority. Many Africans in others countries have to fend for themselves Don’t make race the issue

[@andilegumede2481]

They don't have much else. What do you expect them to say....?

[@ThaboSekhasimbe]

We thank God for giving us such leadership guru like Thabo mbeki for always speaking de truth by advising de current leaders n mostly our ruling party.i pray to almighty for de ruling party to listen to de advises from former president mvuyelwa Thabo mbeki.

[@JoziTube]

As South Africans we only learning now from you and only you that Ramaphosa was jailed during apartheid.

[@Tuminkie]

Some of us South Africans we know our history and facts of what happened during apartheid.

[@RSVPrr]

@@Tuminkie He was never jailed!

[@Tuminkie]

@@RSVPrr He was arrested and went went to jail but he never went to prison because his father was a police officer he sold out his friends and got released. There's a difference between jail and prison.

[@arindoliphant733]

ANC must just pack up and hit the road

[@arethamvimbi9006]

Speaking so nicely in ANC regalia and a beautiful mention and still blaming apartheid😭😭😭😭

[@leydenfisher7807]

He should resign... His private life is way to busy making money. South Africans needs a leader who can deliver improvement for its People. Boers do not need to apply. Boers who want to run South Africa should hurry back home to Boer Land. This is African Land and African People. Don't get any ideas. This is not a roll back of your good old days. That would end up being your worst nightmare!

[@CodeSwag]

17:07 100% SAns have to stop the ANC before they become like Zanu PF!

[@ndumisomnisi8822]

Ramaphosa was never jailed. Do proper research. He was infact a police reservist in the Apartheid era.

[@Bee-dp3st]

I was like what? Really? When? 🤣

[@ohlangeni]

Every one knows that Ramaphosa was recruited from the South African Police Reservists in 1970s in Chiawelo by the Urban Foundation of the Oppenheimers, who sent him to University, then made him in his 20s, the leader of NUM founded by the White Mining bosses. He was handled by the Menels in 1990 and by Mi5's spy agent Stephan Dudley. He joined the ANC in 1990, then made head of Mandela Welcoming/Receiption Committee by Craig Williamson. The same year Ramaphosa joined the ANC, he entered elective conference without credentials, but emerged as the ANC Secretary General. How so? Apartheid State Security made sure he won, thus capturing the ANC from 1991. That is why, Ramaphosa was suddenly punted by the Media in 1991 as the successor to Mandela. He was their Double-Agent. Ramaphosa was the Chief Negotiator thereafter; effectively White South Africa was negotiating with itself hence the very favourable terms of the Negotiated Settlement that allowed White colonists to retain all the vestiges of Apartheid. Ramaphosa was thanked for this by being made a Billionaire by the Menels, Oppenheimers and Ruperts. When he was made Deputy President, Zuma was suddenly poisoned with the same GEM Warfare agent that killed Yasser Arafat. Russia saved him. When Zuma was removed, the DA which countered Zuma by making itself a Black party (and punting the White Genocide campaign), and Ramaphosa became president of SA, the DA removed its Black leaders, becoming a White party again. Rating agencies stopped downgrading SA, and Media and Judiciary suddenly became pro-Government. The DA knew that Ramaphosa was their man, a Double Agent from the 1970s. Ramaphosa was even given the McDonalds licence as sole distributor in southern Africa. He stopped the Land Expropriation without compensation, reversed the annual Expenditure of R1,7 Trillion (labelled corruption by the Media) to exclusively White business as has been the case since 1910.

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

A fox in the hen's house.

[@shonisanisteven6015]

His police man father worked with Apartheid to take lekota jail not Ramadollar

[@lesegomabiletsa6458]

@@ohlangeni Mandela was also Mi6 agent. Mbeki was Mi6 agent. Zuma was KGB agent.

[@fransmalepa3713]

"Liberation. Liberation... Liberation... Liberation... " What's wrong with this guy???!!!

[@CryptoMafia]

Mmusi is the man, god bless him, I hope he gains power. He was on that Josh kids podcast.

[@NgolaNalane]

Very typical of the anc politicians to talk a lot of nonsense

[@TheMagnificentGman]

That's all they're qualified to do

[@therevivaltv4256]

Yep

[@shakaX_1]

In which year was Ramaphosa arrested and when was he released from jail

[@moleferiba]

I am asking myself the very same question.

[@mosalethoba5267]

But for correction Ramaphosa ain't a former freedom fighter. He wasn't arrested by Apartheid regime at all

[@Nikolizky]

He was arrested and imprisoned with Terror Lakota and others, he got released in no time without explanation and the likes of Terror were left there to languish.

[@thatheforest5806]

It was a fake arrest he was their inside guy that's how intelligent work everywhere, mi5, CIA and others in the world, they had to make it look like an arrest so that he can still be trusted

[@Nikolizky]

@@thatheforest5806 Ok

[@opolotnoah269]

Because Cyril was supposed to be the great hope, the one who would steady the ship after the corrupt years of the other guy. Now he's also caught up in his own scandal.

[@heinrichcollins6983]

That ANC guy, Dakota seems to be living in a palace, big money speaking there.

[@macbethmabena9816]

Look Ace Magashule, Mkhize . All these guys are corrupt but are still walking outside Nd talk nonsense as if they didn't do anything wrong

[@SwayNote]

They're old, they must retire, even Dakota's energy matching that of his party. We're tired!

[@johnkuma6867]

But he looks empty heades and talking nothing of sense other than mumbling word that have no sense. This is another zuma

[@Nikolizky]

The ANC going below 45% and not able to form a coalition with their offspring, the EFF, will be such a blessing to South Africa. It’ll be a momentous turning point in the life story of our young democracy.

[@stardustbilermam1736]

Lol offspring

[@thembimaseko4756]

E F F is a n c babies corrupt all of them

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Dakota is a good example of how not to spin.

[@kagi2784]

He's intoxicated

[@lebohang8405]

ANC's fate is sealed. This is a party that struggles to pay it's cleaning and administrative staff at its head office. I haven't started with destructive and divisive factions within. They struggle to hold elective conferences in several provinces. Most of the leadership and government members are directly implicated in the state capture report. Some are already facing criminal charges. Their president is already implicated in a money laundering scandal. This bargage is to gigantic for any party's survival

[@Krook1897]

The ANC is like putting a man on a tricycle and expected to win MotoGP.

[@spha325]

This anc guy is proof that anc has no more ideas on how to move this country forward 😔 what a disgrace

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

ANC = READY TO MIS-GOVERN.

[@greenmoon2585]

He's speaking up now because he's a true African leader.

[@dannyarcher6370]

What? This mess started under Mandela and ramped up under Mbeki.

[@greenmoon2585]

But at least we have someone feeling ashamed about this mess, someone honest, let's not forget the time he was on the chair, his work to his people was delivered, serviced so well and the country accomplished many things at the time. If was bad, not as far Maposa's mess

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@greenmoon2585 Does he feel ashamed over the hundreds of thousands of blacks who died because of his HIV/AIDS denialism?

[@tumelosenna321]

Ramaphosa never set a foot in jail.

[@jackholman5008]

The ANC guy from Durban sounds like a fool acting as of south Africa is the only diverse country so has problems no one has

[@sivuyilemtsi9840]

He is a fool. They are desperate and they want to resort to cheap tribal politics as if SA started after '94 to be a diverse country.

[@coenheydenrych154]

@@sivuyilemtsi9840 If you repeat a lie repeatedly it will eventually become the truth. That is what the ANC does.

[@clementmpushe5957]

Diverse including segregation for centuries and apartheid where wealth and education was cascaded according the color of your skin and that ended 28yrs ago. ANC in many ways was asked to do the impossible. From the trenches to government and all of those problems waiting for you. Credit where credit is due. Mandela asks the whites to stay in government through the government of national unity and they reneged, why ? Because blacks with the education they never had and with the governing they never had will be unable to manage a sophisticated economy and the result will be a collapse within, and then they will take over. Makes me laugh as i'm writing this to think they waited for 28 yrs for that collapse to happen( and i'm sure some of them died waiting!!!), and still nothing seem will happen as the original plan. That's why I say give credit where credit is due.

[@jackholman5008]

@@clementmpushe5957 sounds like America without the 400years of slavery nothing out of the ordinary

[@clementmpushe5957]

@@jackholman5008 I think you are confused. You need a lot of education about the differences between the two but that can help only if you are cognitively sharp at the very least.

[@deondeondeon1]

The ANC is now the biggest problem and a stumbling block in the face of development and growth

[@smr4712]

True... ut remember who put the ANC in power and kept them their? the UK and the USA and the EU...and the Jews..

[@purity4554]

Only Mmusi is speaking clearly here the other two gentlemen are just mumbling. Ramaphosa exceeds Zuma by corruption, he is a Kingpin of state capture, he has captured everything.

[@SpencerCourtis]

South Africans lose R500,000.00 every minute due to corruption!!! this ANC is too greedy. Ramaphosa and his brother in-law Patrice Motsepe both billionaires and buying up all strategic business in south africa through African Rainbow Energy & Power Pty Ltd. Ramaphosa's wife is Motsepe's sister also in big business herself - looters !!!!!

[@setumomahakoe1494]

ANC is not Goverment unilateralism in RSA functions. .. the ruling party tends to have a single minded approach elite syndrome approach. Listen is the skill offered for free.

[@hooliganexxquisite]

As a young person from a disadvantaged background I can assure you,,nobody is gonna get us out of this if we dont

[@onlypremiumlife]

If you are 28 years or younger then you do not come from a disadvantaged background, you were born into a free democracy with black economic empowerment, where you will get a job easier because of your skin colour so don't even think of complaining!

[@hooliganexxquisite]

@@onlypremiumlife To be honest I don't blame them for starting the BEE thingy because as far as I'm concern white people own like 80% of the wealth in SA so don't blame the government for trying to even things even though they are failing😏😑

[@onlypremiumlife]

So what if 80% is owned by white people. If 80% was owned by black people this country would be even worse off. It's been 28 years and you still can't make a success of this country even with your racist BEE policies! Aren't you embarrassed that you need BEE to compete with the white man, why can't you compete on a fair playing field with equal opportunity, is it because the white man is just too smart for you so you all have to have BEE to stay competitive?

[@kasiphilosopher7489]

@@onlypremiumlife . Nonsense! What are you talking about? Because all of the financial wealth and riches are in the hands of a few minority who thinks about themselves and their selfish family members! There is far more poverty today than there was during Apartheid era because many companies Refuse to hire ordinary citizens with decent salary. Instead they pay them wages or salary below poverty line that barely affords basic needs and here you are spewing this nonsense! SMH

[@onlypremiumlife]

@@kasiphilosopher7489 Oh please get a clue! Wake up and smell the roses! You are living in La-la-land! The ANC are the reason for all this poverty, corruption and destruction. We don't even have electricity in this country and every SOE is broken plus we have a 34% unemployment rate all thanks to a black government! This was never the case during Apartheid. It is abundantly clear that you have never read a newspaper or even a book in you entire life, wake up sleep-walker you are uninformed and ignorant of the truth!

[@peterjordaan9025]

The whole of the anc must go. The rot is all over

[@marcio5583]

Did the ANC dude at the 13:33 mark blame apartheid after 24 years of the ANC being in power..." get out of here"

[@luvuyonyoka3314]

Wrong reporting.. Ramaphosa was never jailed not a freedom fighter... Im a South African.. Get proper source

[@motupamakgai3659]

ANC politicians are embarrassing honestly when trying to lie their way out of things.

[@originallevite7469]

It’s so obvious. Especially on other media networks.

[@glennpeterson2477]

Mbeki's Presidency was a large part of the current problem. In SA there was no serious effort made towards true land reform in regards to black masses, nor did any of the ANC politicians undertake economic empowerment policies.

[@crude-za]

We differ in the provinces when it comes to land. If you speak to us people of Limpopo, the land is in the most land is in the hands of our kings and quins, that is in the hands of black people. I think it is the same in KZN and the eastern cape. So, the issue of land is not the gist to us, what we want is facilitation of black business and innovation. We want government to invest in infrastructure and development so that we can build black businesses. We want government to legitimize local markets and build infrastructure and provide funding for upcoming black businesses. If you blame your inability to build a business on lack of land in Limpopo, people will laugh at you coz we have land down there. Where apartheid had robbed us of land, we already got over 70% of that land through restitution

[@not.likely]

This is not true. Much land is in the hands of black South Africans. Many mines too. Black Economic Empowerment has seen all companies over R300k gross turnover receive black directors. ANC policies havs failed, they never had a vision to take the country forward. Corruption in the ANC brought SA to its knees as did the Unions always pushing for higher salaries...but without the productivity in return. The police failed to control crime, being a big part of it themselves, and the justice system failed. Add to that the number of illegal immigrants, totally out of control.

[@tela6589]

@@crude-za Have you ever heard of productive land?...

[@tmada8270]

Land reform could have given many some reprieve, but S.A is run on corporate greed

[@tmada8270]

@@crude-za you cannot like what you don't know. The same land you hate is the same land you can't afford when it's chopped into stands and built onto. Land is everything

[@butchlester1]

CR Has' nt fought a day for freedom nor ever held down a job or run a business now you know why RSA in in the political & economic mess its in - incompetence, and 40-50% overstaffed in most goverment departments

[@purity4554]

ANC is such an embarrassment

[@siyandathabede4382]

There is a historic disdain between the two leaders that emanates from the early years of the Nelson Mandela era and early post apartheid ANC leadership battles. This doesn't mean that the presidency of the incumbent is working well, quite frankly it is failing on many fronts as pointed out by former president, Mbeki. However, it is very convenient for the latter to point out the flaws considering the historic often subtle animosity between the leaders.

[@qhawenxele8032]

Mbeki supported Ramaphosa by campaigning for him. The matter from the nineties is water under the bridge. It was constructive criticism that didn't come from a bad place.

[@thembimaseko9600]

It started with him never stop getting worse everyday.

[@ohlangeni]

Every one knows that Ramaphosa was recruited from the South African Police Reservists in 1970s in Chiawelo by the Urban Foundation of the Oppenheimers, who sent him to University, then made him in his 20s, the leader of NUM founded by the White Mining bosses. He was handled by the Menels in 1990 and by Mi5's spy agent Stephan Dudley. He joined the ANC in 1990, then made head of Mandela Welcoming/Receiption Committee by Craig Williamson. The same year Ramaphosa joined the ANC, he entered elective conference without credentials, but emerged as the ANC Secretary General. How so? Apartheid State Security made sure he won, thus capturing the ANC from 1991. That is why, Ramaphosa was suddenly punted by the Media in 1991 as the successor to Mandela. He was their Double-Agent. Ramaphosa was the Chief Negotiator thereafter; effectively White South Africa was negotiating with itself hence the very favourable terms of the Negotiated Settlement that allowed White colonists to retain all the vestiges of Apartheid. Ramaphosa was thanked for this by being made a Billionaire by the Menels, Oppenheimers and Ruperts. When he was made Deputy President, Zuma was suddenly poisoned with the same GEM Warfare agent that killed Yasser Arafat. Russia saved him. When Zuma was removed, the DA which countered Zuma by making itself a Black party (and punting the White Genocide campaign), and Ramaphosa became president of SA, the DA removed its Black leaders, becoming a White party again. Rating agencies stopped downgrading SA, and Media and Judiciary suddenly became pro-Government. The DA knew that Ramaphosa was their man, a Double Agent from the 1970s. Ramaphosa was even given the McDonalds licence as sole distributor in southern Africa. He stopped the Land Expropriation without compensation, reversed the annual Expenditure of R1,7 Trillion (labelled corruption by the Media) to exclusively White business as has been the case since 1910.

[@NgolaNalane]

Mxm conspiracy theorists to the rescue everyone 🙄

[@mikespencer4922]

Ok. You have that narrative word perfect. But do you have any suggestio s how to restore this country so it is to everyones benefit?

[@clementmpushe5957]

This sounds like something just lifted out of a Quanon page.

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

I never trust lawyers-thanks for this additional info about this wolf in sheep clothing; he was behind the Marikana massacre of the black miners.

[@unclemax4257]

Sibiya you are right

[@isoboy1000]

Ramaphosa is the most useless president SA has ever had, but on the same line Mbeki must not talk as if the ANC has done anything for the poor. We actually have more poor people today that we have ever had, the ANC is to be blamed for all of this

[@anothalevelproductions4364]

This ANC spokeman must shut up, he does not address the incompetence of his party! 😡

[@SibongileMapeka]

I am an ANC member. But I lost hope our beautiful country will end up like zimbabwe if we vote for this party but notforthet future of our children.

[@siphoshongwe4948]

Recently the State capture commission released a report about who stole the money in all of the State entities, but up until today, they haven't done anything about that report. And that commission spent almost R400 million rands to do the work.

[@mkdempisi]

He was the premier of western for a long time and did nothing for black people

[@mphosambo3521]

Just take us out of the UN and all of its tentacles.

[@timoteushaimbangu6015]

South African youth namibian youth a just waiting for you guys .....liberation against engineered poverty

[@SpencerCourtis]

South Africans lose R500,000.00 every minute due to corruption!!! this ANC is too greedy. Ramaphosa and his brother in-law Patrice Motsepe both billionaires and buying up all strategic business in south africa through African Rainbow Energy & Power Pty Ltd. Ramaphosa's wife is Motsepe's sister also in big business herself - looters !!!!!

[@Kokerboom]

What is the anc government going to do with the 2 trillion collected in taxes for 22/23

[@mhofumhofela2979]

Thabo Mbeki and Nelson Mandela are the ones who introduced the Guptas to South Africa, under the watchful eye of Ramaphosa! NOT Jacob Zuma as the media portrays. Jacob Zuma was just a scapegoat, since he wanted the Land to be given to its rightful owners.

[@arethamvimbi9006]

Wahlanya wena

[@Tinker8531]

What stopped that Zuma thief from giving the land to the Khoisan people(rightful owners). That Corrupt Zuma was in power for 9 years, he had more than enough time to give the land. He is no scapegoat, he is a THIEF. Mandela and Mbeki did not allow the GUPTAS TO THIEF from the country, it was that THIEF ZUMA.

[@MusehanaH]

How was that under the watchful eye of Ramaphosa? Ramaphosa may have kept his ANC membership but he was out of mainstream politics during the Mandela and Mbeki era. Your hatred is clouding your judgement and you are ignorant

[@RICHARD-oh9ke]

Maybe you should work for the land not just handed it Entitlement at its finest

[@abigailnomsamndebele6351]

No they didn't 🤣🤣🤣, these guys approached then government to help that's it. But with the fool from nkandla called zuma, they took advantage of his stupidity. Hence they controlled him and chose idiots ministers to manipulate. Gupta's put ministers in position during zuma's time to steal our money. They never did that during Mbeki's or Mandela's time.

[@lejumoga6233]

Who made Lakota a spokeman? There are good reasons the ANC has failed.

[@johnkuma6867]

That is a party led by fools and ANC has proved beyond daubt that is what it is if it could allow characters like ZUMA and so many other like Myeni lead this countrys strategic enterprises. I have and we have to vote this idiotic party out of power. It has ruined our country

[@Tiffany4Jesus1]

Forget about coalition, that's not gonna work in South Africa.

[@mukuvaribrighton1586]

I think South Africa doesnt deserve Mmusi, He needs to be at the top at the AU offices. Dealing with Continental issues. I am very confident we will go far.

[@setumomahakoe1494]

Why is politicians not directly confronting each other head on , ? The public need service delivery rather than policy lecture ! Please , Africa need developments projects and economy , etc

[@njabulombuyazi5132]

Regarding him being jailed. I think they are refering to him being detained and kept under solitary confinement for eleven months in 1974. In 1976 he was detained again, following the unrest in Soweto, and held for six months at John Vorster Square under the Terrorism Act.

[@unclemax4257]

Prof Gumede speak clearly please dont swallow all your words...we need to hear your valuable insight

[@tka-tpa-prapatankalisari45192]

You're right ✓ 👋😊 🎓 😊 ...

[@sibongeleninxumalo7434]

- Great insight from the interview except the ANC candidate. - Some people don't understand the essence of saving our country as opposed to protecting their political party. - the interviewer lacks respect towards the Durban representive. - We are in need of selfless, logic leaders which have minds not much influenced by racial differences, emotions, excuses

[@NgolaNalane]

The durban representative doesn't command respect. All he was doing is spitting a whole lot of nonsense. He literally didn't even try to address the current issues. The anc always blames apartheid for everything. They never take ownership

[@tka-tpa-prapatankalisari45192]

Yes 😊 🎓 😊...

[@CodeSwag]

You're right, the interviewer lacks respect towards the Durban representive. It's because he doesn't really deserve respect. His points were intellectually bankrupt.

[@CharlesRexElizabethRegina]

@@CodeSwag Brilliant way of putting it. Best wishes from the UK.

[@TheMagnificentGman]

Is democracy letting people down in South Africa? No it's because African people choose tribalism over pragmatism

[@top-gnews8333]

We will do so until there is nothing left because there is no way we can vote for a white man

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Hahaha😂we are not even allowed to choose! Americans are still being fooled even under their current system where they can select the President, we are not even able to choose a single minister much less march any change past the party system we are locked in but yeah sure its tribalism🤠🥳

[@PinkFlower98]

Not even just tribalism, nepotism. Govt workers hog opportunities between themselves, close friends and family.

[@mosalethoba5267]

Tribalism that's very foreign to us Apartheid actually brought us together .

[@parshinnaidoo2478]

3 real leaders that are talking up here are real South Africans with a big heart! Viva

[@hyltonmiskin2358]

Do see how anc members tells lies

[@EdwardLawrence-12345]

“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin." -Anthony Robbins ✍️ .

[@maqhawedlamini8679]

Well said

[@conradrichards3363]

Stop the handouts , send it to education,anti crime police and industrial development

[@aniketdaptardar3592]

Good eye opener unfortunately same side of a coin called as anc

[@agro-valleyfarm7217]

He's a billionaire and his people are living in squalor.

[@stephanstrydom6175]

The African leadership template...

[@rirhandzulovemoremashele9944]

The truth hurts as if it's an attack 😪. 🙃

[@foxtrott26]

Anc is the problem they have been the only political party in power since apartheid give smother party a chance to direct state resources they have stolen and abused funds for years without responsibility or accountability

[@smr4712]

we will make sure they and their brother the DA both lose power and face prison.. they both agents of the filthy west

[@montexthegoat7168]

It's a BIG LIE to say Ramaphosa was arrested

[@claywilson6149]

No one failed the legacy of Apartheid. Apartheid is alive and well . We have re-engineered Apartheid to a more "equitable" Apartheid . Apartheid 2.0 . We addressed the problems of the past by refurbishing them to be the problems for the future . As long as you define South Africans by their race IT WILL NOT GET BETTER ! END BEE ! ANC has made an impossible climate for economic growth . Cannot have a corporation without an ANC cadre on the board . The ANC is cANCer !!!

[@housebeneficiaries4871]

He was never Jailed! Arrested maybe but not Jailed.

[@leonbaardman1608]

ANC has to go,,

[@charlesfeatherstone6196]

Anything for glamour!

[@geee7672]

Afrikan countries, governments and economies will forever manufacture excuses. RSA has been ruled by undocumented migrants since the 1700s todate. In this particular debate, everyone is manufacturing and concocting what they think is cause of problem. For as long as Afrikan economies are controlled by minority migrants, Afrika will forever be on a downward trajectory. And if Afrika continues to be ruled by leaders installed by colonialists then there’s no point hoping for anything positive. And using migrants as “foreigners”, because minority migrants financially promote that narrative, is very unfortunate.

[@stardustbilermam1736]

If whites leave. The country does same time

[@geee7672]

@@stardustbilermam1736 Maybe this time they should try. That will be the challenge. Afrika needs that challenge.

[@youtubeacc6059]

As the rest of Africa is leading themselves for ages and still in dire need of humanity?

[@marcio5583]

Cry our beloved country.

[@curiosityxx]

Listening to the ANC Spokesman literally kills brain cells.

[@shadrackmosetlhi7043]

IS NOT RAINING 🌧️ IS POURING OUR 🇿🇦🇿🇦 COUNTRY IS FACING BLEAK FUTURE

[@not.likely]

Dakote Legoete doesn't sound at all convincing. How can he speak against the ANC and defend it at the same time? What hopeless comments he made. Really!!!

[@heavyhookedup]

Unfortunately the ANC have nothing better than Cyril available.

[@Noka227]

The ANC should keep going on this trajectory. This is exactly where we want them. At this rate they won't make mid 40s, at best 30s because of rural areas.

[@duduzamkhize9369]

thank you Mr Thabo Mbeki this is time South african to come together to decide for their future we can not be laughing stock for the world

[@lesegomabiletsa6458]

South Africans should've done something in 2004

[@aaronmuzambalika5366]

Rich people generally have no heart for the poor.

[@hussaingool1859]

He should know that Zuma bankrupted this country leaving Ramaphosa nothing to work with, without money you are unable to do anything, this country will first have to recover from Zuma's onslaughts.

[@jabulanipeter2910]

He just borrowed billions what did he do with those billions

[@hussaingool1859]

@@jabulanipeter2910 just shows you what Zuma stole. Money is needed to run the country and if there is not then you are forced to borrow and pay interest on that money.

[@sethubooysen6023]

@@hussaingool1859 Rhamaphosa apologist

[@sethubooysen6023]

@@hussaingool1859 Ramaphosa is just as corrupt as Zuma, wake up!!

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

Mbeki himself failed to address the legacy of apartheid. Mbeki’s government introduced a useless OBE education. Ramaphosa os not a freedom fighter, he did not recieve any military training internally or externally. Mbeki and Mandela government failed to regulate and monitor corruption that came through the tender system they introduced, which benefitted the majority of its political elites and members.

[@devinfraserashpole4753]

Apartheid is gone bro...