Was I Wrong? Are Citizen Watches Any Good?

[@BensWatchClub]

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[@AbhinavKumarSahai]

Bogus watches Misselling by the Japanese No not at all, I recently bought a #CitizenEcoDrive #PerpetualCalendar and it shows September 31 with no way to correct rather I had to MANUALLY Advance and set the month and day to October that is today @titanwatches #Helios @CITIZENWATCHJP @CitizenWatchUS

[@joeytomato]

I've been wearing a nighthawk every day since 1999... Anyone who thinks citizens watches are no good, are buying watches for reasons other than having a watch.

[@andreabilardi508]

Dude the watches that they were producing in 1999 were so much better, if u buy a citizen now it will never last 20+ years

[@joeytomato]

​@@andreabilardi508 I seriously doubt that. But if that's what you think, don't buy one. I've got almost a dozen, going back at almost 30 years, as new as last year, and every few years between. Never had an issue with a citizen watch, ever. So... You can assume, or take the word of someone who actually owns them. Up to you, I don't have a dog in the fight. So far, the top comments on the matter, seem to be agreeing with me. So again, there's that...

[@MikeFuryTech]

@@andreabilardi508I have several more modern ones, including a recent Promaster. They are perfectly fine watches. Love them.

[@nmkjnmnjm]

I am 60 years old. Back the time when I was a kid, my first watch was a mechanical Citizen. The most reliable and dependable watch you may think of. Like owning a good old Honda civic. I recently purchased a The Citizen washi paper for my son’s birthday. We are talking top notch craftsmanship and technology here, the kind of watch that will last for decades, perhaps more

[@MeXtSxDarKmoonX]

I have a modern nighthawk 1/5sec chronograph, and Ive loved it, every second of it, it's a quiet watch, but blends well, chronograph is accurate to .1sec per hour (59:59)

[@Knightswhosaynee]

I have an Eco Drive Citizen and for almost 10 years it has kept dead on time and still looks good. I would call it a solid watch that is worth the money.

[@halilhammer7607]

Na man.... It doesn't fit his wrist.... It's automatically trash.

[@furtalance_x]

I've had one since my marriage 7 years ago and man does it work like clockwork. Takes no lickin but keeps on tickin.

[@inkdouma]

@@halilhammer7607 if his wrist is skinny, buy small watch and don't be stupid, and don't blame a brand for you choosing the wrong watch

[@StrangerThanParadiseNZ]

Got my ecodrive with my first paycheck in the 1990's. Still keeps time and date, never serviced or run out of battery. I mean, what other purchase can stand up to this neglect and use?

[@AvicSubfusca]

Not to mention Citizen back their watches with a five year warranty. I love mine. Fantastic value for money.

[@peterbdavies]

I have 7 Citizens. They are all fantastic.

[@mikecamrcplus3057]

What can I say Mrs. thin wrists, it's a man's watch. :)

[@bunsenn5064]

As a Citizen owner, I’ve always liked and been more than satisfied with their watches. They do exactly what they were built to do and exactly what I bought them for. That’s what I like in a watch. Well built and precise. In summary, Citizen watches are great, but they’re not meant for everyone.

[@michaelbauers8800]

I love every Citizen watch I own, 5 or 6 of them. They are all Ecodrive quartz. Some were expensive for a quartz watch, be nice if you could get their fit, finish and quality and such a bit cheaper

[@__-fm5qv]

Well built and precise is also why I have mine. Got it 10 years ago and its never missed a beat after wearing it pretty much every day, and the hand alignment is still perfect as far as I can see. I got it with the intention of never having to buy another watch, and seems to be doing well so far.

[@allisonsmith9050]

My first watch was the Citizen Blue Angels watch and it’s one of my favs - even years later. It radio syncs nightly and I have never had to change a battery. My biggest complaints are the 23mm band I night glow. A 22mm or 24 mm band would have been ideal. I also feel the night glow could be improved.

[@ryanjofre]

@@__-fm5qvW0W…..one watch! What model did you buy if I may? Citizen is outstanding.

[@ryanjofre]

@@allisonsmith9050I could easily argue that Citizen is the greatest watch company of all time. They don’t have great lume though and need to step up their game.

[@andrewrooke6551]

My dad bought me a citizen watch at the airport when I was 12. It was digital/analog and also told the temperature. I couldn’t believe my luck! Over the years new watches came and went and for around 30 years the citizen watch sat in my drawer untouched. A few weeks back I found it again and put a new battery in it. Amazingly it started up again as new. That is a great quality product.

[@alextomlinson1725]

I'm a Citizen fan Ben but I take the points that you are making, which are perfectly reasonable. I find their QC to be better than Seiko overall.

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

I agree.

[@jeanbon6710]

What is QC ?

[@booperdooper1808]

@@jeanbon6710 quality control

[@jeanbon6710]

@@booperdooper1808 thanks

[@xnihilo64]

Spot on! About three years ago, I bought a solar Seiko. The POS pissed off after a month! Got a less expensive Corso and the thing just won't quit much less lose even a second a week.

[@watchingtheriverflow3831]

I have 3 eco drive watches, all of different styles, and I love them so citizen gets my vote over Casio. It’s all very subjective though.👍

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Or Seiko

[@oscarosullivan4513]

The watch choice of Bernie Sanders

[@denisdaly1708]

Same here. Fab watches. I'm going to get 2 automatic citizen watches. They are better than Seiko

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@denisdaly1708 Particurly from what I read in QC

[@BK-rh1lj]

@@oscarosullivan4513 what is QC, friend ?

[@rorynicholson8558]

Hmmm, Casio make some attractive analogue faced watches and then deface them with putrid Digital displays.🤢🤮

[@nchance1]

Citizen watches are a fantastic value. As a watch collector, I have aspired to higher end Swiss watches, but day to day work watch is a Citizen or sister company Bulova

[@louiscyfer6944]

i have citizens for daily wear and bulova precisionists for dress watches. my favorite thing is that they make big enough watches. ben's gripe is that they only have grown up sized watches.

[@UNGIHA]

YUP, I have a day-date field watch, PMD56, 2 promaster divers, and a dress watch all Citizen Eco-Drive. The durability and the comfort factor regarding the no need for maintenance make it awesome daily for a university student like me for different occasions.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off. Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements! I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon. Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@louiscyfer6944]

@@syl-x9u it's not complicated. it is radio controlled, not gps. the only problem it is too small and titanium. i don't like my watches that light.

[@syl-x9u]

@@louiscyfer6944 the price is mostly from super titanium - material used in spacecraft. Super durable and light. I plan on only using that watch for rest of my life, and not spend on 5 or 6 like most ppl

[@jont8406]

Always been impressed with my Citizen watches ( eco drive) my titanium is over 15years old now and just keeps going.

[@undudeme]

Citizens are built to last and tend to be very accurate. My 10 year old Citizen Eco-Drive is strangely more accurate than my fairly new Casio G-Shock GD350. However, the misalignment is an issue.

[@rokulus7910]

One of the great things about Citizen is that they seem to have more sapphire crystals at lower prices than other companies, at least from what I've seen. That's key for someone looking for an affordable watch. I expect a watch case to get banged up over time but I want the crystal to be pristine.

[@dandc2011]

You're absolutely right. I remember as a kid buying a $189 quartz sport chronograph and EVEN THAT had sapphire crystal.

[@markiangooley]

One exception: the Citizen Satellite Wave watches available in the US, list price around US$800, have mineral glass crystals. Just stinginess.

[@potassiumcyanide3857]

low price? try finna automatic citizen under 200 quids with saphire crystal today

[@balesjo]

Good point, I've noticed they use sapphire a lot on their watches. Seiko might want to take a lesson from Citizen. I prefer Sapphire to the Seiko Hardlex. I tend to scratch watch crystals, and Sapphire has been the only material that resists the scratches.

[@MegaMat666]

@@balesjo for the stainlesss

[@johanvandersandt8904]

I like Citizen and own two of them and was surprised when you put them in "B-tier" but that is your opinion and you are allowed to have one so i dont understand the hate. People have different experiences with different products. I do however think Casio offers better value and those that ive owned have been excellent.

[@lukas8986]

I'm completely with you there mate

[@oscarosullivan4513]

I have an ae-1000

[@hectormonclova7563]

Not going to judge you. I’ll simply state a point in favor of Citizen. I have three and their capacitators haven’t failed me, unlike two Seiko Solars and a Kinetic.

[@L3GN5RW9]

Which Seiko models? I’m just curious

[@StuntpilootStef]

I don't get Seiko Kinetic. It's the worst of both worlds. You have the bulk and weight of an auto without the sweeping seconds hand. Solar is a much better alternative.

[@mikeswatches2480]

I know its at the very high end, but the Caliber 0100 - amazing with an accuracy of +/- 1 second a year - any Watch company that can engineer something like this has my Vote

[@lunam7249]

Rolex fanboyz crying in thier pillows

[@lunam7249]

Actually ANY CITIZEN watch with the radio symbol or atomic clock

[@JCJW101]

Just binge watching your videos and I had the same thoughts when you ranked Citizen so low. I recently took my 21yr old Citizen Eco drive out of storage, recharged it, reset it by pulling the pin for 30s and hey presto off it goes and I haven't had to do anything else. How many other watches keep going for 20+ years with zero maintenance or battery changes?

[@ljb9983]

Is it better to put in storage or leave in a sunny place for years?

[@JCJW101]

@@ljb9983 I don't know the official advice (check the Citizen website) put now personally I'd leave it in light if I could, I didn't have that option at the time.

[@ljb9983]

@@JCJW101 Thanks😊

[@moonlightsn]

@@ljb9983 You should definitely leave it out in the light to avoid deep discharge.

[@nintendokings]

Nah, Citizen is one of those brands that everyone praises, but not many buy. I agree with B-tier. They're simply boring.

[@watchcheapo1801]

They have more sales then Seiko Watch Co, appealing more to non watch guy rather than watch nerds, the ecodrive is just what made them become really successful...they become really big that they owning 2 swiss brand(alpina, federique constant) and bulova...not forget to mention miyota is under them...

[@iXus78]

@@watchcheapo1801 They also owned La Joux Peret, which makes Arnold & Son watches.Citizen also own Angelus watches. Casio analog (3 hands or Chrono) watches also uses alot of Miyota movement which are from Citizen. I think beside digital movement, Casio do not have their own analog quartz movement, because originally Casio was a calculator company before they started to make digital watches.

[@elijahbolling5609]

Casio is god tier, wish I could subscribe twice.

[@thecreepnextdoor7560]

Make another KZbin account

[@modergav]

Oh a Nico's viwer i see

[@raykay91]

Okay, Nico.

[@garychan927]

I bought a Citizen watch as a graduation gift for myself and it has been running flawlessly for 7 years. The only thing I have to do with the watch is to adjust the date every other month.

[@zillsburyy1]

their promasters are great. save the hate for timex

[@dougdavidson3260]

Why hate on Timex? They do a great job at what they do. Some of the price points are a bit high for their reissues but people obviously are willing to pay for the vintage look.

[@zillsburyy1]

@@dougdavidson3260 they do a shit job at what they do. every time i give them a chance, timex lets me down. they are ultra low quality

[@mrxcman9272]

God damn some of those comments were rude. Those people need to calm down, its just a silly watch tier video.

[@AC_702]

Citizen is amongst the best watches in the world. Period. Love them. And they are definitely in the top of tiers. They're better built than Seiko for sure.

[@ryanjofre]

You said it. I can confirm that Eco drive watches can go 20+ years before you need to change the capacitor.

[@michaelward3421]

I have 5 Citizens in my collection currently. I love all of them. One of my favorite watch brands.

[@sjbrown4145]

I just picked up a pro master Fugu automatic diver on sale for £219 and it’s an absolutely incredible watch for the money, I love citizen!

[@samburrell3288]

Citizen are one of the best watch companies, innovative technology. Eco-drive, great job of titanium. I have two citizens, both eco drive. one titanium radio controlled then another stainless steel. My other watch is a sporty G shock

[@male272]

Citizen blows Casio out of the water...truly...without the 'G' what is a Casio other than a cheap digital piano manufacturer? heh

[@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm]

40 watches in my collection. 4 Citizen’s… NY040(automatic 90’s diver), The ‘Solar Tough’, Blue Angels Nighthawk, and a PVD coated Promaster Diver. I end up selling off a lot of Watches but these have stayed in my collection. I find the bracelets to be much more comfortable and a better quality than the Seiko equivalents. I’ve never had a misalignment on any Citizen And I certainly can’t say that I got a number of Seiko’s that I’ve owned. I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist… And I must admit that I find a lot of their watches right on the edge of what I can wear size-wise. Thanks for the cool opinion piece!

[@theclown9293]

Citizens are amazing My father has a 600 dollar sapphire face, titanium bracelet (which means it’s super light) eco drive watch by them he’s had it for 5 years and everything still works perfect. Quality on Citizens are legendary. If you can’t afford there higher end watches they have cheaper options with still good quality.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off. Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements! I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon. Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@MrMadvillan]

Ben has, hands down, the best watch channel, however is missing the mark on Citizen. Like a lot of other Japanese brands, Citizen keeps the good stuff for their domestic market. They also focus more on the higher end and even has GS competitor called Campanola . Citizen is also one of the few watch companies that maintains control over their entire production process and develops their own movements. Even third party sales of Miyotas are not particularly cheap. Citizen is a dyed in the wool watch company and always has been. I hate so say it but Casio is primarily a calculator company that also makes keyboards and sometimes watches but never mechanical ones. Take that Ben. pew pew.

[@GodIsInHisHeaven]

Casio may be also a calculator company, but they've ALREADY proven they can make awesome, accurate watches regardless of the price tier. OK, maybe not mechanical but within quartz they dominate - why bash them for something they don't even make? It's not a fair contest...

[@MrMadvillan]

@@GodIsInHisHeaven I’m not bashing my compadre. I don’t think Ben’s comparison is fair though. They are two very different companies. Citizen is a watch company that adapted by using electronics while Casio did the opposite. One is the head(casio) and the other is the heart(citizen).

[@damyr]

@@MrMadvillan I agree that comparison with Casio is not fair, because any watch compared to Casio is simply unnecessary. Tho, in this case, it's probably Citizen company to blame, maybe because they don't have much models presented on the market. Whenever I see some Citizen watches on sale, I find them a bit boring and meh. My impression of Citizen is they produce only watches for white collar employees who work in cubicles. LOL

[@MrMadvillan]

@@damyr yeah it’s unfortunate that they have such a limited selection despite being bigger than seiko even.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off. Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements! I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon. Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@raykrv6a]

Around 1997, I picked up a Citizen Skyhawk Eco-Drive for $470 from my jeweler. List was $650 I believe. It's still working and showing little wear on the bracelet clasp. It still keeps time and is radio controlled. It's the only watch I wear. Of course I don't wear it when working on my car or house. I think Citizen's are a great value.

[@justlikebck5162]

Have the same watch blue an yellow

[@davidashton2361]

I bought a skyhawk in titanium about 20 odd years ago. For some weird reason the jeweller seemed to think that I didn't want to buy it at £400 and while I was admiring it suddenly blurted out that I could have it for £350! Naturally, I didn't tell him that I was about to agree to buy it at £400. Best watch I have ever owned! But wait until you have to get it serviced. I've just paid £200 to have a new capacitor fitted! You're obviously a man of good taste, Sir!

[@raykrv6a]

@@davidashton2361 Thanks! You obviously have good taste too. :) My brothers wife bought him a Breitling that cost around $4,500 USD. He was forever talking about it. i was looking at it one day and pretended to about drop it and he about had a heart attack. He didn't let me see or handle it again. I think Ben should stick to Timex watches. He doesn't know a quality product fairly priced.

[@Alakay77]

I owned an Eco-Drive for 3 years. Kept it in a drawer for months and it never stopped. I can't remember the time ever being out on it (Maybe needed to change it once?) I sold it on ebay regretfully 3 months ago and then bought another today because I missed it so much. My life is whole again.

[@bnsopkow]

Citizen is fantastic.

[@bryanmg8164]

Hilarious intro. That's how to start a vid:)

[@raiezy]

You just gotta look for a good one. Check out the citizen BM8240. 36mm. Eco-Drive.

[@carlosgouveia]

My new eco drive is 0 seconds off after 1 month. That's what I like it most. Precision

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Navigator watch I agree mens dress watches are too big

[@7thBatallion]

My 180 Eco Drive is off 12 minutes after 2 years. Got an apple watch and set it aside. Back to the citizen for a few days a week now.

[@HW.0029]

Most Citizen watches are dull and uninteresting. Seiko and Orient make way prettier watches. List was pretty spot on.

[@Fantac0010]

Absolutely right!

[@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95]

Couldn't disagree more. I get a cheap feeling from most Seikos and the QC issues don't help. Orient does make nice watches though.

[@HW.0029]

@@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95 never had a problem with Seiko or orient.

[@markgrieves1307]

But will run bang on time forever.....

[@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95]

@@HW.0029 I'm sorry but Seiko just feels cheap to me. Even their higher end models feel cheap.

[@mkyhou1160]

I have always rated citizen higher than Seiko. I’ve owned both, the Seiko quality has always been worse, never understood why Seiko is more popular with watch snobs.

[@redoxygen4876]

probably because of grand seikos. I only have one watch which is a citizen but i want a seiko because of the lumibrite hands and they offer 10 bar water resistance at a low price

[@gorkajames6475]

Because Seiko offers more automatics and better designs in the American market.

[@mrpablomx]

I cannot comprehend the love for Seiko either. They’re so boring.

[@mattcocky8956]

I bought a Citizen Promaster in 2001 planning to actually use it for scuba diving. I have made over 500 dives with it and it has worked flawlessly. I have used and abused this watch on several continents and just recently replaced the crystal for the first time. I thought about buying a Luminox or Omega to replace it, but I have no reason to. It still looks great and performs perfectly. You can have your posh Seikos or whatever. This Citizen is amazing.

[@paulsmith1391]

Big fan of the channel, Ben! Usually agree with your videos, but have to disagree with this one. The build quality, engineering and selection of Citizen watches is pretty much unmatched by any of its competitors on the affordable end of the market. In particular, their affordable dive watch range is excellent - 200m divers, both eco drive and autos for under 200 quid. The NY00 selection look good on small wrists (like mine) and were even used by the Italian Navy for 10 years. Quality watches!

[@vast634]

The quartz movement by Citizen outperforms similar Casio movements in accuracy.

[@marion_roberts]

Funny thing about watch rankings is that they're based on personal views. They're not like computer builds that can be arranged according to objective measurements. If Ben thinks Citizen belongs to B rank, that's fine. I do appreciate the second look though. I own a Citizen Avion and promaster divers myself which I both adore and would put at A rank along with the rest.

[@darrenc3439]

Bought a watch you really didnt like to prove your review in a beta fashion.......dont think I can take your channel seriously anymore.

[@rjpm92]

I've recently got an NY-0040 and must say it's placed me firmly in the Citizen fanboy camp whilst completely agreeing with your criticisms regarding their range. Most of their watches are indeed too large and their designs are indeed a little bland when viewed as a whole. I do however strongly urge you to get your hands on a black dial NY-0040, it's possibly the best automatic diver you can get in the sub £200 price point. It's ISO rated to 20atm with genuine Special Forces heritage with the Marina Militare (who internally tested the watch successfully to 500m) and looks so good in the flesh with that inky dial.

[@stan4097]

Totally agree. I have the blue sunburst dial and it looks awesome on a tan leather strap.

[@mediocreman2]

I can't think of any watch fanatic that would choose a Casio over a Citizen. Unless it's for a calculator watch. But hey, anyone can make a youtube channel these days.

[@andrebalsa203]

Citizen Eco-Drive watches are among the best value watches available, you just have to wait and buy them when they are on discount. The quality is really excellent and you don't have to bother with changing batteries, ever. So I would say for quartz watches, Citizen ranks in the S tier. Full disclosure: my two daily drivers are both Citizen Eco-Drive titanium and sapphire watches. And I love them.

[@thomaslinton5765]

Your "skinny wrist" is Citizen's fault? Mate, try some exercise. 🙃 Try an Attesa. ⬆

[@mr22guy]

You can't put them in a low tier because you don't like the styling - the quality is there. I got a CQ in 1995 and it still runs great and looks chic.

[@BensWatchClub]

Sure I can, it's my tier list after all. Not gonna wear something that I don't like the look of unless it serves a very niche purpose

[@bambam8774]

@@BensWatchClub Yeah but you consider yourself a reviewer right? The point of a review is to be objective. You might not like the styling but someone who watches your review might like it. Plus if you don't like the styling of citizen watches this does not mean they are bad in terms of quallity. Also, in this video you say you don't like it because you have small wrist. How is that Citizen's problem? This is your problem. Learn what "review" is.

[@alisterwh]

The point of reviewer is being objective? Good luck opening your own channel, being "objective" there and realising that tons of people disagree with you, even calling you names because of that . Try communicating for thousands of people and know the wild madness of the variety in human beings' thoughts, bro. Besides, let people have opinions, man. This is not a science channel.

[@furzkram]

In terms of picking the most boring watch designs out there, you're in the top 3 watch reviewers doing this. Why didn't you review something like the Citizen BJ7107-83E for 260 Euros (there's a cheaper option with silicone strap though), for example? Eco-Drive AND a second timezone AND a world time bezel. Or a Citizen BM8476-23EE for 100 Euros? Or a Zeppelin LZ 129 Hindenburg 8062-5 for 190-220 Euros (automatic) or the same design in quartz for 180-200 Euros (8042-5)?

[@watchcheapo1801]

Nah...his wrist is just too skinny for those models, he will not like it based on size alone

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day. Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@RDJ1SS]

My favorite watch is my radio-controlled/eco-drive Citizen. It sets itself at 2am every night and never needs a battery. Got it on sale for $150

[@marcusaurelius49]

You can easily fit a 24mm band on a 23 width watch. Natos are dead easy, but everything but a proper metal bracelet will fit with a little effort.

[@rickc2078]

I've had an eco-drive for 15 years, still accurate, same battery, I love it. I'm adding a Citizen automatic to my collection. I thought about Seiko, but they are made in China and Malasia, and all have Made in Japan printed on them. Citizen is a solid 100-year-old company, all watch parts made by them in Japan.

[@wintermute8315]

You're mistaken. There are different ratings. 'Made in Japan', or just 'Japan', means fully built there. 'Movement Japan' means it's a Japanese movement, but cased elsewhere. And then some models aren't at all built in Japan. You just need to note what's actually being said to you. They aren't lying.

[@boboboy8189]

Malaysia love Casio and seiko than citizen

[@BrittPearceWatches]

Ben. Can I just say.... You're my FAV WATCH KZbinR! Assuming you have a strong cult following... How do I join the cult?!

[@markgrieves1307]

Love Citizen. I've just bought another, this time an automatic promaster diver's 200 metres, certificated thingy, the rest of mine are eco-drives. Banter is one thing but entirely dismissing them and slagging them off is another. Citizen has many fans and there are many other watch channels out there.

[@watchandjewelryloft4713]

I do watch repair. I didn't care for your tier list. Although, I find that the case with most "influencers/collectors/etc." More people tend to get info from them, and shrug off my opinions when I'm the one taking apart watches daily. Oh well. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@sam_the_man]

Would love to hear your version of the tier list… it’s not often you get to hear an actual professional’s opinion on reliability etc

[@johnnychin]

Citizen's mechanical watches are pretty decent. They even launched a 38mm SARB counterpart in their lineup recently that looks pretty great. The other leg up Citizen has over other brands in my opinion is their Eco-Drive GMTs. The only Citizen I have in my collection is the BJ7100-82E Promaster GMT with a world timer bezel and a traveling GMT (or "true GMT" as some would call it). It looks great IMO and packs a lot of value.

[@CoordinatedCarry]

Citizen watches are some of the best value in quartz.

[@MrAl68]

The official Citizen UK range is very poor compared to what is available elsewhere. Even the European market gets a much wider and more interesting range, so it pays to look at the grey import market.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day. Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other citizen watch Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@JeeGee114]

But you got the "Ray Mears".

[@syl-x9u]

@@JeeGee114 ray meats? This is Hakuto-r watch to celebrate lunar landing on Mars scheduled in 2021 and 2023

[@DigitalMan1100]

Are you serious? You complain about the size... Just get a smaller size. Casio does not stack up against citizen. Most Casio are vulgar with no stand outs that look cheap

[@johntate5050]

Most Casios I see are the size of planets. I like Casio but they're hardly dainty.

[@robertocarrillo9919]

I have 2 citizens and i have to say they are great for what they are more than i expected, i also have omega, breitling and panerai not to compare but i wear my octavia citizen more than those others, not only funcionality and look but also for how sadly dangerous now a days is.

[@jz2926]

I have like 9 citizen watches. reasonable price, good looking, and never have to worry about the battery.

[@AdAce21]

citizen watches are fantastic. I own/ have owned may Citizens. Great QC, excellent time keeping, never needs a battery. Their chronos and divers are especially good. Just try to find ones with sapphire crystal when possible. The Chandler and Attesa series are personal favorites. If you prefer smaller watches, the chandler AT0200-05E is 39mm. I've owned it for years and can say it's a great piece, even with the mineral crystal.

[@mrpablomx]

It’s just that all these reviewers with their Rolex and Tudor fetishes always focus on the same old boring types of watches: Divers, Small Case Automatics with no numbers on the Dial, the Formal “Grandpa” watches with Black leather, etc… Citizen has so many cool features on so many of their watches, it just makes the brand more interesting to me.

[@BenMJay]

Are there any ankle watches you recommend?

[@grady60]

To me Seiko is creative but a touch sloppy whilst Citizen is a touch sterile whilst usually well put together

[@nates78]

Citizen make great watches for the price... They also make a good amount of "too big and bulky" versions as well. I think you had them in the right tier though. They have some work to do to get moved up.

[@patsplats]

You're apparently more concerned with how a watch looks under a microscope than it's materials, features, or appearance from the distance most people look at watches from?

[@tantu2395]

Citizen is one of my favorites brand, in my old days a digital Casio is my daily watch and a "tank" gold tone of Citizen quartz wear for weekend, both all accompany with me with twenty happy years, and now I have an eco drive and I believe that another twenty happy years will on it way.

[@virgilthemob1242]

No offense, but if a company makes the most accurate wristwatch in the world and sells it for less than the most entry level models of just about any luxury brand, I think considering them anything other than the finest is an insult to the brand. Some of the better Casios out there, including the Oceanus, have a +/-15 second a month accuracy. By that metric, The Citizen's caliber 0100 equipped pieces are even better value in terms of precision. As for their run of the mill models, they're easily up there with Casio in terms of offering value and quality.

[@jaedaens]

Citizens are amazing even in the luxury class (such as the Chronomaster), comparing detail wise to a Grand Seiko, but unfortunately you have to import those from Japan. I guess there's not much of a North American market for such things, likely due to the preconceptions most of us have regarding Citizen.

[@markfrost2707]

Sorry--watchmaker here (amtuer) and my whole world and life is all about the watch. Watches. Clocks..all time pieces. In my opinion, Citizen are fantastic for the money. Im mostly liking Citizen for ladies' watches. In particularly, The Ecco-Drive. In that arena..they cant be beat, as their genuine diamond(s) models are gorgeous, high quality, and run about 400 bucks. A genuine diamond/ sapphire crystal watch that wont nee a battery for, more than likely, 20 plus years (I have 2 citizen ecco-drives over 24 years old and still run, with their original battery and capacitor, still. WHO sells a watch like that for 400 bucks?? NO ONE. Just for a reminder....the first and only watch I ever had just fall apart on me (like the rotor) was a Seiko 5 from about 5 years ago. That watch lasted a year or 2! Citizen is a great blend of quartz reliability coupled with the quality and look sof a real watch..I mean, a mechanical watch. The technology Citizen patented for a solar watch should tell you all you need to know about the company and quality being important to them. I love the knowledge that the dials are translucent and the solar cells are on the other side of the dial. Opening a whole new world (looks) for a solar watch. And due to this design feature..the solar "panels" last and last..and last..and last. DO you know that over 80% of watches are abandoned simply due to the fact they need a new battery and we just never get around to getting another put in. Thank Goodness for this as then I come along and buy a bag O watches from goodwill for 10 bucks and put new batteries in them and re-sell them an I make good profits from that. Recently, there was a perfect little Tiffany's ladies watch that retailed for 1,000 bucks. I sold it for 60, lol. (It wasn't a real watch. )WHoever would pay 1k for a fashion watch is...well) My hope and dream is the lady who goes through the donated watches for the GOOD ONES (which are NEVER sold in their stores. Theyre auctioned on line. ALL items in Goodwills are items they would have THROWN AWAY. Anything of value never makes it out to the floors much anymore. So my dream is she doesn't know about Patek Phillipe or other luxury brands theyre not familiar with like if the watch has ROLEX on it. I'm telling ya...someday I will find that Patek watch at Goodwill for 99 cents! Someday!

[@timsimshurst]

I have a number of citizen watches and I think they are great. If you were to rate watches on a price to engineering and quality basis, I think they would be placed right at the very top of the tree. Obviously that's just my view. However, an ecodrive motor together with titanium and sapphire crystal is pretty hard to beat

[@natantime]

CITIZEN IS THE BEST FOR ME. Reliable, accurate, faultless. Everything I look for in a watch

[@emoryblondeau9028]

A really good to check out is the Promaster diver. I personally have the Citizen NY0100-50M, which is made out of titanium and I absolutely love it. It's the perfect summer watch! Automatic, really nice turquoise lume, really light, and overall very nicely finished. I definitely think it could be worth looking into!! It's great on a NATO strap.

[@mattcocky8956]

Agreed. I have one and have made hundreds of dives with it.

[@kurosenshi3952]

I have quite a few Casio and 3 Citizen watches. But despite my Citizens being more expensive, it's sad to say that the overall build quality of the Casio is superior, no question about it. Still, I do like my Citizens a lot, especially since wearing Casios all the time does get boring, since they are (due to my preference) somewhat similar. I just wish Citizen would up their finishing a bit. Since especially the Oceanus lineup of Casio is really awesome. I hope Citizen will become a bit more creative in that regard.

[@Papilikes1]

Your risk is best suited for little girls watches

[@oldguy9051]

*wrist

[@brucedeleon9505]

Got no problem with Citizen watches. I own a few Eco Drives too. Good watch. Fits well. Looks nice. Most importantly, keeps time well.

[@patrickcovers266]

Bloody brilliant video, Ben.

[@bogrot69]

WHAT A DICK! 😂😂😂 Kidding! I own several Citizens that I'm very happy with. The ProMaster Divers are fantastic watches but some people just dont connect with certain brands. Best to be honest about it in my opinion

[@TheSavagederek]

I love my Eco Drive and the second hand and hour and minute hands line up bang on with the index markers. It's a Chrono and around £220-250. I've owned watches 3 times more expensive that weren't as good or comfortable on the wrist.

[@johntate5050]

Watch snobs may not like them but watch snobs aren't true watch enthusiasts, they're just smug, narcissists who use items to try and impress people. They are just interested in their egos. My advice to anyone buying a watch is buy what you like, not what other people say you should like. Having said that, do your homework and don't get ripped off with tat. In my experience Citizens are good solid watches.

[@felixbelanger2659]

Ben: Here's my opinion... The internet: Your opinion is wrong

[@paulbarnett227]

I've had 2 Citizen watches and they've both been great. Your video starts by implying that you marked them down because you have thin wrists. That's hardly Citizen's fault 🤣

[@robertnorth1681]

I have a Citizen Tough, sapphire and 200M water resistance, great lume, all for a tad over $200 via Amazon (217 I think). it's my do everything, go anywhere watch with classic design elements. But I think Citizen's worst issue is a lack of clear design language across the models, except where the DL is "cram the dial full of shit of varying sizes and complexity."

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Citizen choice of bernie

[@ladykay8]

The other big advantage to the eco-drive is that every time you change a battery, you have to open the case, opening the innards, exposing them to dust dirt and and other things, including a newbie who doesn't manage to seat the back case properly with it's water seal... meaning you ruin your watch when you go snorkeling. Would I like a smaller, non-gendered "intermediate" size? Yes, but their tech is solid, I don't wear a watch to show off, and I don't want to think about batteries all the time. They are way the heck better than fossil.

[@shawnz241]

I have a titanium Citizen and am quite happy with how comfortable this piece is . Ever since Seiko has gone off on their new path, Citizen (and Bulova) has become my go-to brand - specially when you can snag them for around Cdn $200 at their factory stores.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day. Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@follyfour506]

I've got the World A-T titanium , never missed a beat.

[@official_king3734]

Just curious what do you mean by Seiko going off on their new path ?

[@uhrologe2596]

It's all the same with these tier lists. Those who can afford luxury brands want them being higher ranked and the cheap ones lower. Those who can only afford cheap beands want them higher ranked and the kuxury ones lower.

[@Ahcelaht]

I'm also not a huge fan of a lot of their designs.

[@syl-x9u]

I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day. Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch Limited Edition Exclusive SUPER TITANIUM™ HAKUTO-R - www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/AT8185-71E.html?cgid=exclusives#prefn1=bandType&prefv1=Bracelet&prefn2=gender&prefv2=Mens&start=7

[@gorkajames6475]

Check out their JDM watches. Their American selection has some of the ugliest watches out there. Surprised people even like the Promaster.

[@nunika1975]

I have 5 Eco Drive watches. 2 of them over 20 years old. All working without any battery replacement.

[@AKADriver]

I've had a BM8180-03E on my wrist most for the past 8 years. I think it's a great value that's served me well. 37mm and I paid under US$100 for it though it currently retails for around $150.

[@smokinjoe4684]

That's my everyday when I'm not at work in construction. Casio is on the wrist at work.

[@jamesho5515]

You should take a look at the Citizen NB1050-59L. I think it is better than seiko's SARX and SARB line. It also has a slimmer movement compared to seiko ones.

[@danielcalvocamacho4538]

I think depending on the watch family, Citizen ranks lower or higher depending on several factors. For instance, Promaster, Super Titanium, some Stilettos, etc are great, great watches. Other options, such as the Chandler look quite cheap (however they could be good ones).

[@yjlconductor]

Eco-Drives rock!

[@endusima]

I have two Citizen watches in my collection. One Promaster and one Chronomaster, both are excellent watches in their own right. The promaster rivals Seikos SKX series and the Chronomaster is on par with Grand Seiko in terms of finish while offering perpetual calendar and solar recharge.

[@Zzzzalazar]

Noooo you didn't.....my friend,no one but no one compares to Grand Seiko they are at another level,many Galaxies away from another watch brands wend it comes to finishing and movement for that matter.

[@endusima]

@@Zzzzalazar I have both Grand Seiko and Citizen in my collection so I'm sure of it.

[@Zzzzalazar]

@@endusima well,don't take it personally but you need to perfect your stainless steel skills or maybe you need new glasses,you can't possibly compare the level of finishing of Grand Seiko with entry-level Citizen, just saying ( I don't own GS watches but I have seen many documentaries about GS finishing techniques, not even Patek

[@endusima]

@@Zzzzalazar Citizen chronomaster is not an "entry level Citizen". It is their premium line and uses the same zaratsu technique as GS. You obviously don't know what you are talking about if you thought Chronomaster is entry level, on top of that you don't even own a GS.

[@tferuh]

Fossil and Timex can and will never be above Citizen in quality, no matter what criteria you are using while comparing.

[@JesseWatersIsALesbian]

So you favor mens watches in little girls sizes.

[@harrkev]

You are right about the size. I have this exact same watch (got it in Gloucester when I was over there). I love it, and it is one of my two daily drivers (solar G-shock being the other one). It looks dressy enough for a suit, and tough enough for every day. The only wear is some scratches on the clasp. You are mostly right. I wish that it were 2mm smaller, and with a 20mm lugs. I tried mine with a 22mm NATO, but it just didn't look right, probably due to the size. The lume is great, but it needs a bit more, and the 12:00 marker should be bigger. I also wish the date window was beveled. The face is thick due to the need for a solar panel, and the date can get lost in the shadows. Otherwise, I think this is practically perfect. As to the Casio.... Nope. There is something classy about a three-hand analog watch. The digital window on the Casio ruins the dressy appearance. You might as well go for a G-Shock.

[@Michael-ko8uf]

Citizen in the same tier as invicta and timex? I'm far from being a Citizen fan, but you deserve the shitstorm. You need to review a few more models and also a few more expensive ones. Your impression is made up of a few cheap models.