Why I Chose The Hotone Ampero Multi-Effects processor Over All The Others

[@pinky5150]

Still in love with this pedal. The continual updates, the support from Hotone, just awesome.

[@AutismRocksOfficial]

Thanks for the review! I was on the fence with several different models of all in on one processors. This helped me make up my mind. I like the XLR connectors and Hotone makes a cool gig bag designed specifically for this model. Keep rockin!

[@blessedheavyelements8544]

I've got them all except a Fractal Axe and Headrush. I use the Ampero and a GT-1000 in my sets with an ABY pedal. I use Marco Fanton's Marshall preset pack exclusively. I love the presets that come with the Ampero. Both BOSS and Hotone have the best, "to me", sounding tube sounds of all of them "that I have". I keep a Valeton GP-100 in my gig bag as a backup. The Recto preset is pretty competitive to the Ampero. Really appreciate your channel and outlook and reviews/analysis. Thank you for all the hard work you put into the information you provide! Best Regards and Best Wishes!

[@vondragonnoggin]

Had mine for about 6 months now. Paired it with a Two Notes Torpedo Cab M so I can have better IR features, extra EQ, reverb, and the Torpedo has power amp modeling with 4 different power amp tube types plus extra presence on the power amp section. Really love the sounds I get from it paired with the Torpedo Cab M. Ampero models sound great and most fx are very good. Ampero plus Torpedo Cab M total of $700. Feel of it playing is great and guitar volume dynamics or pick strength dynamics are pretty good. No regrets on the purchases.

[@addictedtogear]

Sounds like a killer combination. Lucky man!

[@BandaVelhosNovos]

I am willing to buy both. Do you think that Ampero without the Torpedo Cab Just with IRs is the good?

[@harrywix]

Excellent thorough job, many thanks!

[@alraymond1618]

thanks for the review and validating my purchase last month. I like the device a lot as well. I agree with your overall assessment of the unit, and of the tuner in particular; it stinks. I use mine as an effects pedal before the amp. I'd be interested in seeing future episodes how you maximize use of the pedal that way.

[@addictedtogear]

Stay tuned! More to come on the Ampero

[@rangerdoc1029]

Now with the ampero one, it's even a greater value.

[@jemsar2]

Very nice. I just got one. Can't wait to use it.

[@danc3746]

I recently purchased one of these units and I agree with you 100%, it sounds great. I also own a Stomp and the Ampero defiantly sounds a lot better imo, especially using high gain amps. Less tweaking is needed to get a great tone. I do not own a FRFR cab so I first ran the Ampero though the power section of a Marshall DSL (return loop), it sounded too bright and I wasn't impressed or able to get much low end response. Then I ran it through an Orange Pedal Baby power amp using a real 2x12 cab loaded with g12t75 speakers. Much better to say the least. This unit is very usable without a FRFR cab, a good power amp will do the job.

[@addictedtogear]

Hi Dan, glad you like it as much as I do! Keep rocking.

[@tannerboil6765]

@@addictedtogear Hopefully Ampero comes out with a full Helix type board one day.

[@stevenslater4395]

Would you recommend a way to use this with an orange tube amp? I was thinking through the FX loop but now I’m second guessing it. I have ableton live also, and could run it completely digital through.

[@jogolda3037]

Got me one already, great stuff, worth the price!

[@christophersire1731]

That device looks great for songwriting in an apartment. Thanks for posting. Stay safe from that damn virus.

[@johnrist67]

Tony, did you check out any of the Mooer GE units before getting this? If so, your thoughts on Mooer vs Hotone? Keep up the great videos.

[@guyfromnj]

I would be interested in a comparison too if possible. Or opinions from anyone that's tried both.

[@addictedtogear]

I thought the ampero sounded better and was built better than the Mooer unit.

[@guyfromnj]

Thanks Tony.

[@gilouch8975]

Also if you watch some tone ocmparison, to me the hotone sounds better than the GE which sounds very dark. In a comparison video by Leo Gibson I tought the Ampero sounded better than headrush, hx stomp, mooer ge.

[@hafizmarzuki9203]

@@gilouch8975 if compared this one to boss gt1, which you prefer?

[@DaBoyeee]

I purchased the Ampero last year and was not a fan from the git go. To each his own but I could not get a tone that just really turned me on? Sold it after a week of steady tweaking trying to find my God tone with different amps and IR's. Couldn't find it? I have had just about every modeler since the original Scholz Rockman came out when I was a teenager, then the original POD Bean and so on! For years I settled down with the POD X3 Live, and HD500 running direct for live use, then I started purchasing other units (Mooer Ge200, Boss GT-1000, Ampero), My last being the Kemper Stage, which sounds great but is WAY WAY too much money for what it is. Used it for a few months and sold it! I have finally found a unit that does what I like and I totally love everything about it, and that is the HX Stomp! Simple and sounds stupid incredible! God Tones can be had with every amp in it!!! Spend the extra cash and get yourself an HX Stomp and be done with it! It is a Bad@$$ little dude!!!

[@rantnpod]

Hi K V can I ask, have you had any issues with amp hiss on the Hi Gain Overdriven tones??? Read my comment on Addicted To Gear.

[@DaBoyeee]

rantnpod I haven’t experienced any hiss but, I’m not into too much high gain stuff as far as extreme metal. I absolutely love the Friedman tones on the Stomp, which you can get really dirty and chuggy, and have no problems with hiss at all!

[@rangerdoc1029]

Nice. Mine was the Atomic Firebox

[@musicmind837]

Nice & honest review.

[@addictedtogear]

Thank you 🙂

[@ThePaddedPedalroom]

Cool Video! I like your T-shirt!

[@MikeJBlues]

Any chance you can do a video with the ampero and the line 6 power amp 112?

[@callofsirensofficial]

Great video. Can you run a signel to FOH desk via XLR and back to a powered cab at the same time?

[@tsangpa2570]

Sir which one would you recommend ampero or pod go for live use as a total rig???

[@FrugalFixerSpike]

I Busk, and trying to streamline my setup. I have a Powerworks Pa 50, I plan to use with. Trying to deside if this of a Mx5 is my choice. I have used a TC helicon voicelive play GTX , for many years, the vocals are great, but guitar sounds , looping and effects limited, So going to feed tc to ?? to PA on guitar line. Thanks Spike

[@DonaHannah-x8k]

Do u need a di box to plug straight into a pa mixer

[@AngelMartinez-qs3cf]

Thank you for the review. What Fender Telecaster is that you are using? It looks real nice. Is that a Mexican Tele? If so, did you mod it? Thank you.

[@ferox965]

Looks like a great tool for home recording. I'm a bassist, so I'm all set that way, but for demos and so on, this looks like a great piece of gear. I'm convinced.

[@addictedtogear]

It is!

[@ununtrio]

Hey! Thanks for the FRFR Speakers recommendation!

[@addictedtogear]

Any time!

[@donmarco4008]

Incredibly intuitive unit. I've never even seen a pedal other than on KZbin. It took me 1 hour at the music store, to figure out how to work everything inside out.

[@addictedtogear]

Yes it really is a great unit. I love mine.

[@donmarco4008]

@@addictedtogear Thank you for the video, it really helped me to finally pull the trigger on this bad boy. Great playing 🤙🤘

[@westofsunday2779]

Great video, very useful info. I know this is meant primarily for an ampless rig, but is it also capable of just serving as a pedalboard and controlling amp channels? So for example if I wanted to run this through my DSL40, and turn off the amps and cab sims, can I change the amp channels with the Ampero? Would like a unit that can be used with and without an amp.

[@MikalSmedlov]

Just use the footswitch that comes with the dsl40. This won't swap channels on the dsl

[@FerrisFlyer]

Hey can you recommend a speaker to use with this for home use? I know you mentioned the ffr but would a studio speaker be ok?

[@kond1e]

can anyone help me? my hotone ampero quality is so different when i listen to it in the DAW vs directly connecting it to the headphones directly

[@andyguitar3805]

Very good explanation🤘 i have subscribed to your channel👍

[@addictedtogear]

Thanks and welcome

[@Afroman86]

Is there a any time delay/volume cut off/drop when switching between patches in a bank?

[@gabomm93]

the "gap effect" when you change presets decrease with updates of the firmware? :D

[@paulmckeown8557]

Hey Tony, Great channel mate. Just commented on a Hotone Ampero facebook feed and mentioned how good your Ampero review was. i got a reply saying they had seen it and called you a pro. Think you might be getting a Ampero One. I can send the screenshot if required ; ) Cheers from Australia

[@addictedtogear]

Cool, thanks you for your help Paul. If you need a manager gig let me know! LOL

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Would be interesting to hear if the Line 6 POD GO changes your opinion now that its here. Obviously no drums for the loop track but there are loads of other features.

[@addictedtogear]

I would have to do a side by side comparison to tell you this.

[@edoliveira7315]

I turn on the pedalboard, I turn on the computer, when I access KZbin, the audio goes from the pedalboard to the audio monitors, however when I connect the mouse or USB keyboard the audio stops coming out. Others users in the groups also reported having the same problem.

[@addictedtogear]

Hi Ed, I have not experienced that issue. Sorry

[@tonefish3825]

So I literally just did all my homework on this, then I noticed you had a video on the same thing. I am new player, some cool guitars, small modeling amp, no pedals. I decided to skip buying a looper, an interface, tube amp, tons of pedals, and get loadable IRs. I decided that for me (lets call it dedicated beginner) this was the best choice.

[@addictedtogear]

Welcome aboard! I think you will be pretty happy with it.

[@tonefish3825]

@Joe Kickass I eventually bought a used Helix LT. Mostly because of the effects, not the amp tones.

[@tonefish3825]

@Joe Kickass Yes, but that had way more to do with me than the device. I just decided that if I stepped up to a Helix, I can get every tone I ever wanted + Helix effects and updates.

[@bluematrix5001]

Great Video, can you save presets or patches in the computer? so you can save more than 99 patches somewhere else This unit is not a DAW, has a converter, so you can record your guitar into your DAW (Garage Band is a DAW) with the USB

[@ResaAdilaksana]

can hotone ampero do parallel effect?

[@bassworship50]

What is your opinion on me trying to use this with my bass. It was given to me and I'm very interested with the looper, phaser, envelope filter, chorus, delay, od, etc. Thank you in advance for your support and response, peace.

[@addictedtogear]

I think the unit would work really well with a bass especially if you use some custom IRs

[@peclat202]

Can I put an external footswitch for the banks?

[@addictedtogear]

yes you can

[@peclat202]

@@addictedtogear thanks man

[@PhilipCockram]

Cool unit . Lot's of features

[@nastyanakao2532]

Hi to all! Can I switch preamp modeller module off and plug outer preamp to line input?

[@skukeness6201]

Why do updated products whether it be ampero 2 or helix stomp get rid of the xlr out in their new products? Seems to take away a great feature

[@aadityakiran_s]

How can you mess it up when you're carrying it in your bag? Power won't be plugged in.

[@alvaroantonioocampogrey2823]

Hello, great and very detailed review! Can I deactivate the amp and cab modeler to connect the unit to an amp that I like? or better find another option with only effects?

[@addictedtogear]

Yes, absolutely

[@funkster007]

I've been shopping around for a decent compact modeler that's not gonna break the bank, and this seems to be right up my alley. How does it sound for DAW recording? Normally I've been using the TH3 VST which I love, but it sucks the life out my CPU.

[@funkster007]

I ended up getting the Headrush gigboard. No regrets.

[@TheDeedeeFiles]

Cool Guitar playing

[@addictedtogear]

Thanks for watching!

[@gilouch8975]

I am considerig this against a Nux Cerberus + Mooer Radar or Mooer red truck, thoughts about that ?

[@addictedtogear]

I really am enjoying mine. Way better and more flexible than a cerberus or a red truck in my opinion.

[@nicovo9237]

Have you tried the HX Stomp? If you have, how would you say it compares to the Ampero in terms of features, I/O, sound...?

[@addictedtogear]

Nicovo I thought it was limited due to its size and physical buttons. It was also more expensive.

[@overcome8628]

so one problem I am having with the Ampero is when I click on a patch the software shuts down. You ever have that problem?

[@addictedtogear]

Tony No I have not sorry.

[@Singerswapnillive]

How does this compare to the nux mg 30 in terms of amp simulation (specially the fender and marshall amps),audio depth quality of reverbs and modulation ?? Plz tell

[@addictedtogear]

I think this unit sounds better overall. Also has more flexibility compared to the MG30

[@zachgelner2]

So this can double as an interface straight into computer?

[@addictedtogear]

Yes it can

[@tiago5a]

Nice review. I have a Vox ToneLab EX multi effects and I love it. I use it mostly for clean tone (twin reverb and ac30 sim) with a small reverb and sometimes with a TS, for playing John Mayer, Hendrix and some jazz. Recently I'm turning a bit to Mateus Asato sound, with huge reverb and delay... lots of fun. I like this ToneLab but I'm thinking of switch it to a HoTone Ampero One. Do you think I'll get a better sound (for my type of music I play)? Thanks so much for your support

[@addictedtogear]

The Ampero has lots of great sounds in it. When you learn to use it fully it has alot to offer. I think you would like it very much!

[@tatelmarcelino4846]

Are you able to set the footswitches to 'manual' mode for switching individual amp/effects in the chain on/off? Also, can you set one footswitch to turn several amp/effects on/off at the same time within the chain? That's one of the features I love with my HD500X.

[@stan7850]

A new update version with global EQ and greatly optimized tuner is on the way. I believe it will be released within two weeks.

[@addictedtogear]

Hi Stan. Are you referring to a new unit or new firmware update?

[@stan7850]

@@addictedtogear Hi, it is a firmware update.

[@michasuchodolski3352]

Does it has Whammy pedal function?

[@agency1000x]

curious on your thoughts on this vs Line 6 POD GO & the AA6?

[@addictedtogear]

I chose this one over the Pod go.

[@PauloGervilla]

Very nice review. Can I have parallel signals with cab sim on and off for live situation where I have an amp for my monitoring and PA? Thanks.

[@addictedtogear]

Yes you can send the left dry and the right with cab simulations on

[@aaronclarkproduction]

I'd also like to see how this stacks up against the Line 6 Pod Go when it comes out. Let us know if you can arrange a comparison video when available.

[@addictedtogear]

I would love to do a vs video if I could get my hands on one.

[@overcome8628]

what FR>>FR do you use or recommend. im just going to use my ampero for home use on my computer.

[@addictedtogear]

I use a Headrush 108 FRFR system.

[@rangerdoc1029]

I use studio monitors + a sub

[@frankthepriest1220]

Hi man, great video. I still can't decide between this and the Mooer ge200, maybe you can help. I have two questions: on Ampero, can you decide signal chain Order like you do on Mooer? On the ge200 the order of pedals is fully configurable. Second question is: about the touch panel, is it responsive? I've seen lot of video, and I saw very often people touching two or three times on the same button on the screen, like it was not so sensitive. What can you say about it? Thanks man!

[@addictedtogear]

Yes and yes. The Ampero is great and unlike some of the other brands they are actively sending updates of the unit with improvements. Thanks for watching!

[@TheRobphobos]

Do you know how many EQ blocks can be used at the same time? Cheers!

[@addictedtogear]

Only one.

[@overcome8628]

Whats an FR>>FR speaker system?

[@addictedtogear]

Flat Response Full Range speaker. What you hear from the Ampero is what you get from the speaker. No additional color.

[@overcome8628]

Does Ampero have a site like line 6 custometone to get Custom patches?. BORN IN 60!

[@addictedtogear]

You can join the facebook page and get some there. People share all the time.

[@jasonsheridan5848]

Hi how does it sound connected straight to studio monitors?

[@addictedtogear]

It sounds really good. Now that they have incorporated a global eq in the firmware update it should sound even better!

[@saltyhose8257]

hi, i have a question, so if we use the extra footswitch, can i assign the 4 footswitches on the unit to turn on or off different pedal ? or is it still 3 preset and 1 ctrl footswitch, and how about the wah pedal, does it uses one of the fx block or does it has its own block ?

[@salsplace]

Which FRFR cabinet were you using?

[@addictedtogear]

Sal It was the headrush 108

[@salsplace]

ADDICTED TO GEAR Thank you

[@rangerdoc1029]

Any idea how it compares to the Ampero One?

[@addictedtogear]

I think as far as the sounds go it is identical. I haven't tied the Ampero One yet but I hope to do so soon.

[@aldanino]

Thanks for this can you tell me if it has a Rotary Speaker effect?

[@rubenalonsoviguerassalazar1539]

Is it compatible with external IR?

[@barebones3892]

Ofc

[@93greenstrat]

Two questions: does it allow you to preview/scroll through presets without changing? Do the delays gently trail off when switching patches or does it just abruptly cut off? Thanks.

[@addictedtogear]

Hi Russell. I will make a video to answer these and other questions shortly. Stay tuned.

[@JasminMusic1602]

Ampero or axe fx standard for around 400 usd...please advice !!!

[@addictedtogear]

I haven't tried the AXFX standard yet but I really am digging the ampero.

[@JasminMusic1602]

@@addictedtogear Thanks...I agree with you,is great sounding unit !

[@marat.romanov]

4 years gone, still use it?

[@addictedtogear]

@@marat.romanov yes I still do!

[@Xtianisms]

Hi great video man. I'm still torn between the Hotone Ampero, Mooer GE250, and Joyo Gembox 3. Soundwise, the Hotone seems top notch. With the layout and interface, the Joyo would be the easiest to navigate

[@addictedtogear]

I am still loving the Ampero!

[@agency1000x]

does this sync to your DAWs BPM via midi so gtr loops stay in sync with daw live track?

[@fabioa.565]

Thank you for the review. It's a very good device but unfortunately it's expensive in my country (Italy). It costs ~ 390,00€ (430 $) on amazon. So I'll stick with my cheap zoom g1on, for now.

[@BigEdWo]

italy. here germany. i'm very sorry because of the c. hope you are doing well.

[@fabioa.565]

@@BigEdWo thank you I appreciate the thought. I hope you're doing well too. At the moment we are locked in our houses, we can go out just for going to the grocery store/drugstore and walking out the dog. Running and strolling outside are forbidden. The companies not defined as essential companies at the moment are closed and the workers do smart-working at home. It's very difficult to get the masks. It's a very bad situation. I hope it will end ASAP. Thank you.

[@addictedtogear]

Stay indoors and stay safe

[@BigEdWo]

@@fabioa.565 sir, you really have problems with people dying at young age all over italy? we are locked down also, but i don't know anybody who suffers from covid 19. honestly, we are in panic mode, but nobody really has a problem. speaking of germany. very disapointed with our government.

[@fabioa.565]

@@BigEdWo I live in Lombardy (the red zone). About your question I can tell you that here dead people are mainly older people with pre-existing diseases, indeed there are just few cases of deaths among young people. I can assure you I haven't seen a so aggressive/contagious virus in my life until now. For this reason I am worried not so much for myself but for my elderly relatives that I enter in contact with. Unfortunately we have so many positive cases about covid-19 and so few beds in intensive care that people are hospitalized when they get critical respiratory conditions. So, many people with no serious problems get cured at home and other get worst at home until death. -The primary reason we have so many deaths here is because there have been cuts in the costs of our healthcare system ~ 37billion euros from 10 years now, with less than 70'000 beds in our hospitals. -The second reason is because here they do the covid-19 test just on symptomatic people (not the asymptomatic people) and it is difficult find a great amount of safety devices (masks) We are also disappointed with our government too. The government initially has underestimated the problem wasting precious time.

[@Winterhe4rt]

So this can not really be used as a "just multi effects" in front of an amp or in a fx loop? =(

[@jland12]

The harmonizer is terrible. Has a lot of lag when just hearing the pitch shifted sound. Is this something that could be fixed or just beyond this unit's capabilities?

[@tolgaguven3467]

Some people claim that Ampero is great for its preamp section, but horrible for effects. The reverb, in particular, is heavily criticized. What is your opinion on the effects quality ?

[@addictedtogear]

I don't think they are that lacking unless you over do it.

[@jland12]

The auto wah and hamonizer effect introduce a lot of artifacts, crackles/pops into the sound. This unit is trying to do things it just does not have the processing power to do properly

[@billgross176]

The “idea” of multi effects units is very compelling but I would strongly urge people to consider whether they want to dig through menu systems to tweak parameters. Some are okay with that but many want direct access to twiddling knobs directly. These systems are great bang for the buck, but if you are selling them a week later...not so much.

[@addictedtogear]

Indeed they are not for everyone. I'm my opinion if you like to have many options at your disposal without spending too much money then a multi-effects unit is a great value.

[@rangerdoc1029]

I like both. I use an atomic firebox which has normal amp knobs only. But Plug it into the pc & you can tweak away.

[@mrpagliero]

nice !

[@musicandthewalk]

I hope hotone would home out with a hx effects equivalent. Or put an fx loop on the ampero.

[@addictedtogear]

yes an effects loop would be great

[@musicandthewalk]

ADDICTED TO GEAR then it would actually be a threat to the other brands in its segment. I wonder why didnt think of that.

[@ZorkusYT]

can anyone can recommend me a bed room player budget friendly FRFR speaker? thanks in advance

[@addictedtogear]

victor garcia yes get the Headrush 108. It sounds great

[@ZorkusYT]

thanks

[@joukojormalainen8377]

Good review! I also have this device but somehow I've struggled with very thin, muddy sound quality and haven't managed to get any decend sound out of it when using it with my computer.

[@silvioherrmann2337]

try out loading ir's ! this can improove the sound a lot. some effects do not sound great, be careful with the delay. if you do it right, it sounds quite good.

[@mikeyredfl3976]

HO TONE or HOT ONE?

[@addictedtogear]

Yeah exactly! LOL

[@AxZonChaudhary32]

Its been year im using the ampero

[@hargiarly.2184]

how do you like it

[@sebjulien3]

Impulse responses like a Kemper profiler? If its true this could be the poor man Kemper. Please show us how it is done in a video.

[@addictedtogear]

Seb Julien yes you can load your own IR files.

[@livioborgesceribelliceribe6975]

Hi, here is a hug from Brazil, congratulations on the excellent content, my hotone only came with 33 banks of presets, and I saw that in your video yours has 99, how do I get the rest? Can you help me?

[@addictedtogear]

Hmmm, I am not sure why yours would be different?

[@jpoliveir]

The tuner is really bad, but the unity sounds awesome!

[@addictedtogear]

They updated the tuner with the new firmware. Its a little better.

[@cooltunesmadeeasy]

I want That tone...

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

I really like the amp sounds on this but, I pretty much feel that way about most of the units in this price range at this point. It seems like this can do the lower gain stuff really well, where as the mooer stuff does high gain pretty well, and then line 6 has decent amps that can be customized a lot, as well as has a lot of good effects. I opted for a hx stomp initially when it came out but, a lot of these rival it some of the sound aspects but, they were just not available at the time. The flexibility of the stomp though I feel is unrivaled because there are some really deep options for routing and pedalboard setups. I feel like for what I’m into now the stomp was the perfect option.

[@addictedtogear]

I'll have a video up soon where I play all 99 patches. Check it out if you have time!

[@overcome8628]

Also cant I use a PA setup.

[@Barbarapape]

Here in the U.K. the average price is £350 about $435, that is a high price for your average player, too close to a good combo ie Boss Katana.

[@addictedtogear]

Yes but you can do way more with the Ampero than with the Katana.

[@Barbarapape]

It seems to be a great unit, the point i was trying to make is that a lot of players have only a very limited budget, average wages in the U.K. are way lower than in the USA or Canada.

[@DavidMorisset]

So, can’t you just use this as a pedalboard, don’t use the amps, cabs or IRs and connect it to your amps?

[@damiendelvallee7256]

Technically, you can. If you really don't plan to use the amp /cab simulations, then there might be better options out there for the price.

[@addictedtogear]

Yes but its better to use an FRFR power speaker system with it than an amp.

[@jeff4h20]

Your advice on FRFR is totally wrong. Why you need a full range unit for guitar. No less Than Michael britt agrees and post video to proof. The fact you need more than 99 patches says it all. Doesn't matter how great the features are if the sounds aren't there.

[@johnong2655]

Lol. PodGo is coming soon

[@timothyadkins8997]

John Ong no Aux in

[@johnong2655]

@@timothyadkins8997 In general, I feel it's better to aux in through amp or USB to a computer

[@Rocksuu]

ampero's drive is pretty good but ..... wah and pitchshift is suck(absolutely my opinion).....

[@addictedtogear]

I agree that they are not that great but I don't use them much. You can always connect a real wah if you want better.

[@timbuktu7753]

My egg hatched in 1964.

[@da1028]

Less talk, more play

[@addictedtogear]

That's what she said! LOL

[@BigEdWo]

tony. don't like it. you get paid to do the review?

[@addictedtogear]

BigEdWo I don’t get paid for the review. I wish I did...thanks for watching!

[@BigEdWo]

@@addictedtogear sorry