Why I Don't Support The IPF

[@mattvena226]

USAPL leaving will end ipf

[@mattvena226]

Also that point about Japan having one test in a year without the pandemic is insane. I alone have had 5 out of meet tests in the past 12 months, despite covid.

[@vredneckv]

No it won't lol. Do you Americans understand the world does not revolve around you?

[@jermaineayivoh8263]

@@vredneckv Well technically Matt isn’t American, but I get your point.

[@user-vq7nq7hr9u]

@@vredneckv he is Canadian

[@weaktallguy5114]

@@vredneckv matt Is Canadian lmao what's up with people like you saying this exact comment on any topic of the us? If the us isn't such a big deal (which in powerlifting It is a big fucking deal) then why you guys keep saying the same shit? What these people fail to understand is like it or not, the world pretty much does revolve around the US. I find it hilarious and somewhat annoying when people fail to see that because it's so so obvious.

[@calgarybarbell]

A few clarifying questions - of the 45% of nations that do 0 testing, how many of them are actually sending lifters to worlds? Also, saying that blood testing is less effective because it caught less people might not be a full investigation of the strategy. Who were those tests targeting? The blood tests are certainly not applied at the same level as urinalysis, so I think comparing them straight across is probably missing a fair bit of nuance. Another question - who is handling/administering/scheduling and transporting the drug tests done in the USAPL? Do you realistically think there is an issue with that not being completely outsourced? IE - drug tests being scheduled and administered by close contacts of athletes? I do think the underlying thread of "The IPF can/should do better and test more/better" is something we can find common ground on for sure. It's unfortunate that the USAPL and the IPF couldn't find a way to sort this all without further fracturing the sport.

[@eccbeast1]

Nations in 2019 that sent lifters to international competition, either Worlds or Regionals, that reported no drug testing in 2019: USVI, Nicaragua, Aruba, Cayman Islands, Puerto Rico, Chile, Colombia, Guyana, Peru, Slovakia, Czechia, Hungary, Luxembourg, Iraq, Kyrgyzstan, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Nauru, Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon. Might have missed one somewhere. Notable low drug testing Japan-1, Ecuador-3

[@cartoonhanks1708]

I'm not even gonna argue this. If you believe burly black american male lifters are losing to some poor kid in Senegal or north korea where they cna barely grow to 5f tall noneless eat any substantial nutrients in their diet because they're "better". Then you're a f!cking muppet mate.

[@TheCraigMasson]

Will USAPL athletes be true national athletes going forward? They may end up holding the same status as a US lifter going to WPC or GPC worlds...with the added headache of being drug tested. Unfortunately, I foresee the death of USAPL and the birth of a compliant US federation, which is sad.

[@Peake7]

I am with you in theory, but your logic on a lot of points is so biased and misses a lot. The competitiveness and massive number of meets of the US is going to contribute a lot to the higher percent of tests than other countries. When there are so many more meets and so many different high level lifters winning different meets, a bigger number of lifters will be tested. Versus a country with a very low number of top tier lifters so the same guys win the smaller number of meets. Most of your opinions have a lot of holes similar to this. Also, along with what Bryce said, comparing positive nonwada tests to those confirmed by wada tests is completely irrelevant. You would have test all negative nonwada tests with wada standards to compare them

[@gocanes44]

I’m not sure how it goes over so many peoples heads and even people who I believe to be relatively smart that USA PL does Wada test all of its national and international level lifters. More so than most of the countries if not all. What the IPF is mad about is that USAPL is testing at local meets through a third-party and not wada. WAda wants that money, wada controls IPF so USAPL is out And IPF is hoping Keller and his crew can prop up an organization that will pay the Wada tests and no other testing agency. It’s a monopoly.

[@michaelbernetediaz]

It is completely unacceptable that countries that test so little are still allowed to be IPF affiliates. On the other hand I do understand that non-WADA testing should be forbidden as you kind of lose your “testing standard”. The USAPL might have decent non-wada testing but you can’t keep track of all different individual testing procedures different countries apply. I guess that’s why there is the WADA standard

[@jeremybatah4827]

Although the overall testing is important, I would he very interested to see the % of tests from lifters that compete at the national level or higher. IMO much more relevant

[@absolutenerd1989]

usapl just has their head up their ass. thinking they better by doing subpar quality drugtests and removing athletes based on that results. i fully believe the usapl will be gone in a couple years implosion by arrogance.

[@benarchie6024]

@@absolutenerd1989 lmao what. ipf doesnt drugtest at all in some places as mentioned

[@timm7100]

I agree that the USAPL and IPF split will hurt both sides and tested powerlifting as a whole. I also agree that countries getting away with little to no drug testing should not be a thing. I dont agree with the assessment that testing with worse tests at an amateur level will somehow make the sport cleaner. While administering additional tests at a regional level certainly looks good it really doesnt do anything. There is no monetary incentive to use PEDs in our sport anyway and even less incentive to do it at a regional level. But lets say some guy does abuse drugs and is not tested at a regional level whats the worst thats gonna happen? He's gonna win a state championship of fucking Nebraska or whatever and that is about it. As soon as he steps on a national level he will still be tested and will most likely fail those better tests.

[@pheelickscanari904]

I love that he has different camera set up for different angles for dramatic effects

[@khailephd]

Jonnie you are the hero we don’t deserve. Not all heroes wear singlets..

[@ArminEghdamiDrums]

Just go full Clarence Kenedy and do no drug testing anymore

[@captainobscurity491]

Fuck drug testing, all my homies hate drug testing.

[@1flou3]

additional testing could mean anything. I could walk around meets, let people pee into cups and declare them negative. labeling that an official drug test.

[@kevinfowler2132]

Would be interesting to know the allocation of the WADA vs NWADA tests. For example are the top lifters getting frequent non isotope ratio tests? And the local meets getting the WADA tests where catching someone is less of a big deal.

[@ralphM1114]

To make things simpler: Why doesn't everyone just get tested prior to a meet? OR, have ALL registered lifters get tested once every 6 months, regardless of competition participation.

[@dontreadmyname4396]

money, it's expensive

[@jon-kd5st]

Plus if it's not random you can clear the PED fairly quickly.

[@TheCraigMasson]

Like the video and a good POV but I don't agree. You need to follow the rules, whether you agree with them or not - You have to pay your taxes, whether you agree where the funds go or not. USA powerlifting is forming their 'own nation' to manage their 'taxes' the way they want to, but this, in my mind, is not a truly internationally recognised direction. Tug of war is not in the Olympics but you can represent your country at international events and get your national colours, but to stay there you need to follow WADA rules, that sport too will likely not be in the Olympics one day, but to be considered a 'true' national sport it needs to follow the rules which provides their members an opportunity to represent their country and be recognised for that representation with national colours. Will USAPL athletes be true national athletes going forward? They may end up holding the same status as a US lifter going to WPC or GPC worlds...with the added headache of being drug tested. Unfortunately, I foresee the death of USAPL and the birth of a compliant US federation, which is sad.

[@TheCraigMasson]

PS. I do know Tug of war was in the Olympics 1900-1920. The point is even they tow the line.

[@DarkSaint411]

4:50 the nostalgia hit me hard here

[@TigerTzu]

Not sure the Coan/Castillo comparison holds up. Maybe Ecuador has a cultural outlook on steroids similar to what the world in general had in the 80s/90s, but drug testing in the IPF was still a brand new thing when Ed Coan started winning World's. Most lifters at the time had spent their lifting careers using PEDs with little to no stigma associated with it, and if you look into the actual drug testing protocols of the IPF in the 90s, it's clear they were either grossly incompetent or just not serious about it at all. The same can't be said post ~2011, at least not at the IPF World's. In Castillo's defence, though, there probably isn't a single lifter vying for a medal at World's who ISN'T using some kind of PED. He just pushed it farther than he could get away with.

[@snorlaxcom]

He beat Bret by a slim margin, so I'm not sure about Gibb's natty status either although Bret preaches he's righteous.

[@hutchenscarter]

THE MEERKAT HAS SPOKEN

[@akins3258]

whens the new video brah

[@ae_Flux]

The Data you got for Germany does not add up. 15% of lifters being tested is not how much lifters got tested. Only our national team is subjected to out of season testing to begin with. Those are less than 200 people. then every 1st-3rd place in every age/weightclass and sexwill be tested at nationals and sometimes the NADA agent pulls out people he/she find suspicious

[@Billybob-yv1pm]

Russel O’Hearn IPF supporter

[@rudihartono8848]

You look like younger version of Steve Buscemi

[@questionableethnicity2268]

Very interesting video

[@vittoclavijo3616]

Wait.... Canada isn't a US state?

[@qewr4231]

What about countries like Russia and other Eastern European countries? Some of their lifters look like they are on steroids.

[@TheMaxik]

This is a comment just for the algo.

[@Artheam]

Isn't there a level of irony that for years people were making these sorts of comments and you kept defending the IPF? You're blown away by 45% not drug testing but I specifically recall many instances when people would comment saying drug testing is very limited in IPF and even so you defended them. I guess well done for changing your mind and being open to that but I think there's a level of "hands up I was wrong" which ought to take place.

[@martin1234512345]

My God. People are way over thinking stuff.

[@SinnedNogara]

This aged like shit

[@str8_white_mail]

It seems like the overall consensus is that USAPL = Good, drug free & IPF = Bad, not drug free. Hate to break it to you, the vast majority of USAPL lifters who are worth their salt are about as clean as a truck stop bathroom. Let’s be real, it’s powerlifting.

[@needmoorepower]

So these other countries dont test at all and the US lifters still wipe the floor with them and you expect me to believe the US lifters are natty ?

[@SUPER8ALTERN8]

That's been my thoughts for a while, it makes literally no sense, straight up delusional..

[@randygravel2057]

I totally agree. Powerlifting is gay.

[@weaktallguy5114]

Lmao

[@BaldOmniMan]

💀💀💀💀

[@maxeffortliftz1086]

Haha lmao 😂😂

[@questionableethnicity2268]

🤣

[@snorlaxcom]

No hetero

[@barnabaschun9514]

If we're mentioning fairness at IPF worlds, then percentage of ALL lifters isn't really the best measure of comparison. Percentage of top lifters who actually compete at such a high level is more relevant rather than including tests for a bunch of local meet competitors who will never be a Worlds level competitor.

[@American_Moscovite]

Can anyone confirm Candito is still alive? Is he not wacked by the IPF mob? Its been 3 months since his last upload.

[@Cathal7707]

10:18 not an accurate way of determining effectiveness of a drug test. You dont know how the sample was chosen for the blood test, couldve (for whatever reason) been biased towards lifters who were drug free. A better way of determining effectiveness is to report its accuracy in a population of enhanced lifters: given that youre on drugs, whats the probability that you'll be caught.

[@Artheam]

Couldn't agree more. A bit amateur to say "oh blood testing isn't very effective in that case". Err... do we know who was blood tested? Similar calibre of lifters? Higher/lower?

[@bobnoneya1267]

Ya every thing I've listened to or read from experts has said that blood tests are much better than urine.

[@kevinwheeler5595]

You are confusing accuracy with validity. “Effectiveness is not a formal term

[@amineess2718]

I am from algeria and we don't have an economic system ,we only have water 4-6hours in 48h so we don't even have water can't imagine actually doing drug tests😂

[@anis3308]

Bahdltna

[@DaLooseGoose11]

that sounds freaking horrible wtf

[@amineess2718]

@@DaLooseGoose11 it is ngl

[@SuperNiels91]

I was surprised to see Algeria doing so well at powerlifting though, it's awesome ! 1,2,3 🇩🇿

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

@@BuJammy That's simply untrue, out of competition drug testing wasn't even around until the mid to late 1990s or in some sports/countries, the early 2000s. WADA as an organization only started in 1999, and the WADA code was only finalized and signed by all countries in 2004. Before that you only had in competition testing by the IOC. Basically in the 1980s anyone could dope with whatever they wanted to *out of competition* and as long as they showed up passing, there was nothing anyone could do. Ideally drug testing was supposed to be done at national level meets by the local federations, though that in practice rarely happened. The drug testing standards at least regarding anabolics were much relaxed compared to now and you were allowed test to epitest ratios of 6:1, and there was no CIR testing, meaning everyone was essentially given license to cruise on moderate dose testosterone even in competition, and growth hormone also wasn't banned, though it was crazily expensive compared to now. Do agree on muh GDP, though, lol.

[@taylifts]

I just imagine people driving by like "is he from the news?" lol

[@rutatutut]

Did the IPF wack Jonny Candito CanditoTrainingHQ? He hasn’t posted in 4 months. I’m getting worried.

[@sberc1]

He posts on Instagram still. Said recently that he’s gonna start uploading once a week on here

[@seanissomething]

It's a shame to see drug-tested powerlifting go the same way as natural bodybuilding; being fractured into so many federations that they all end up losing credibility and prestige. You win the Mr Olympia, everyone knows you're the champ. But in natural bodybuilding, they have the Natural Olympia, The Yorton Cup, WNBF Worlds, DFAC Worlds... the list goes on - so nobody is like THE CHAMP, you know? It'd be a shame to see the same happen to powerlifting.

[@graeme7362]

I don't think that USAPL doing more non WADA compliant test should have been a reason to split/be expelled firm the IPF. But the fact that these extra tests are controlled and adminstered by the USAPL itself and not an independent org is just stupid to me.

[@Scott-zh5ip]

Cough*CrossFit*cough

[@alessandror6001]

It Is not Just stupid, It Is Simply wrong

[@lurchman76]

They are not controlled by USA Powerlifting. A third party tester does the testing. Samples are collected by doping control officers who are typically referees, that is true. But the actual testing is handled by a company like Quest Laboratories

[@graeme7362]

@@lurchman76 who decides when an athlete gets tested though? I honestly don't know other than seeing other people comment before on the lack of independence in the testing

[@lurchman76]

@@graeme7362 in meet is decided by the meet director at the local-state level. At Nationals there is a dedicated doping control officer who hand picks who gets tested. Having control over our doping program has been vital to its success in actually catching dopers. Their Are telltale signs of doping, being able to leverage the skill and experience in pinpointing that is important. The administration of the tests by lightly trained referees is a risk for sure. But tests still go to a certified facility and many end up at a WADA/USADA facility. And most go through a WADA panel test to find all the drugs WADA tests for. The argument about who administers the test is valid. Probably needs some work minimize risk for everyone involved; athletes, doping control officers, and the organization. That's an operations thing. The important distinction is the doping selection process shouldn't be surrendered to a third party like the IPF. Why should we give control to a third party? Worst of all we would have to give up control and have zero input on who gets tested and we'd have no knowledge of who got tested. And We'd have to foot the bill.

[@999awesomekid]

I’m in Australia ipf is my only real tested option right now 😩😩 Doing an international usapl meet if that becomes a thing is on my bucket list

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

Well I'm a big fan of being pragmatic, and as long as your host nation tests at a decent rate (hopefully 10%+), then all is well. I'd just consider that international membership to the USAPL if at the world level, instead of the IPF.

[@Spartan9567]

​@@CanditoTrainingHQ Australia has some pretty strict rules for sports getting government funding of which is being affiliated with ASADA (now SIA due to government rebrand). That being said there are always questions about testing frequency, and whether you can get around anti-doping by going hard on PEDs whilst young or in lower competition levels where anti-doping is not strictly enforced for every competitor. This has been exploited from time to time but anti-doping has it's limits on what it can and can't do.

[@999awesomekid]

@@CanditoTrainingHQ yes I just added that to my comment, raw nats looks like so much fun it’d be amazing to travel to the US to do an international meet one day

[@countofst.germain6417]

Can we even do meets here yet, I still can't go to the damn gym lol Sydney. I was supposed to do a meet right at the start of covid.

[@999awesomekid]

@@countofst.germain6417 Yeah meets have started again and gyms should be open everywhere in Sydney? I missed out on a meet in 2020 and I missed out on nationals this year from covid lol

[@weaktallguy5114]

Is Jonnie dead?

[@baconfromhell666]

On the spreadsheet he shows at 2:55 you see Canada with 122 urine tests + 38 blood tests = the 160 test he shows, but with USA it says 720 urine tests + 0 blood tests. Where is he getting the last 2500 or so tests?

[@philipmeisterl]

I like candito but he is super biased with this the problem isnt that the us is testing the problem is that the usapl testing is not fair they dont habe 3rd part testing And again no clue where these numbers come from (also even when they test like 90% of people it again does not matter if the testing is not 3rd party)

[@vredneckv]

I guess the rest of the tests on top of those 720 were probably non-WADA tests. Still, what's the point of even bringing those non-WADA tests into the equation if they are not up with the standards. I believe this is the main issue in this whole USAPL vs IPF situation, which Candito fails to understand for some reason.

[@JohnDoe-jm4yb]

A lot of his numbers didn't make sense. "Ukraine actually has more drug tests than Denmark and Finland." Yeah, no shit. Ukraine has four times the population of Denmark and Finland combined.

[@philipmeisterl]

@@vredneckv which basically means they have 0 tests and not thousands

[@misterion89]

My answer was a bit taken out of context. From 2011 to 2018 we paid all the Wada Testing by ourself, still with a high testing quote. Thats what i wrote after that: As we in Germany are mainly a non profit Organisation and ruled by volunteers. We have to work for the athletes to be able to compete, and of course, to be able to compete in the IPF. This is practicaly our main purpose. My question is: What is the main purpose of the USAPL? And when the answer of that quastion is the same, they should fullfill the requirements. To Other Nations: I dont want to pointing on poor nations, as one of the richest countries in the world (USA should also not) and i also think the IPF databases about drug testing are not 100% complete. But Yes, the target has to be to increase the testing rate in all those smaller nations. I think a minimum testing rate would lead into excluding a lot of nations, which also wouldnt be good for the sport. Instead the IPF/WADA should do more OOC Tests directly on international athletes. So that the costs are covered through the international community for the smaller Nations.

[@NatureFavor]

at 13.55 "one lifter per nation can compete at worlds" is totally false. The rules are you can send 8 guys (8 for male, 7 for female) per nation into each age group. How the country itself divides it between weight classes is up to themselves, and that USAPL only sends one guy per weight class it's their choice, not the IPF's fault. They could send 2 guys to the 83s, 93s, 105s and 120s, and that would be absolutely fine. But they chose not to, so don't blame IPF for that. Also the fact that the top 5 in the 83s within USAPL is still better than the 2nd best at worlds is kinda suspicious no matter how many drug tests are done. You got Russel beating guys with 50kg+, Atwood beating guys with 75kg+. You even got Jake Amendola benching almost 50kg more than the guy that won worlds this year. It doesn't seem right, does it? You got other nations who are way way worse at drug testing, who are still beeing way way behind a USAPL lifter. You even got guys who has tested positive for AAS and there is still a USAPL lifter outlifting that person by ALOT. I know it's basically a meme at this point, but drug tested does not mean drug free. And that most USAPL lifters are way way better than other countries, even though they are tested more, it just seems wrong. Could it be since USA has a really big population and therefor there is a bigger chance you got a genetic freak popping up from nowhere? Possibly. But then we would most likely see someone similar in either China or India since they have 4-5 times USA's population.

[@lolwutno]

330 million people for a talent pool, and American Football has a staggering amount to do with athletic development in this country. Maybe part of it has to do with the competitive environment that we have. It seems super lame to me to say "they're good and that is the evidence they are cheating".

[@Lollonman1]

@@lolwutno the point is that we already know there's a very little chance you can be stronger than un un-natural lifter who's probably already in the top 1% genetics. The fact that you have multiple people in the same country doing so and some of them being at the top with 40-50kg+ differential seems like a 1 in a BILION situation, and we have at least 3 athlethes in USA with these charateristics. I'm not one of those who's 100% sure Russel, Taylor and Ashton are un-natural, but their numbers just make it almost impossible to be 100% sure they're natural, even if they're drug tested and all. Oh, and let's not forget that USA has a shockingly high number of high school students taking PED to get into professional sports leagues, you never know what has been done in the past and how much of an impact it has on their current strenght development.

[@lolwutno]

@@Lollonman1 If you "can't know" then why are you so emotionally invested? "They're so good that they must be cheating" is literally the lamest attitude. Cope.

[@maxpeter4171]

I dont think someone like Russel is a Life Time natty. There's also a different problem as far as I know. Somone who ever was on the juice is never natty again. I saw good points that you will have a certain muscle adventage all your life. So of course drug testing is negative. The whole thing is a big joke.

[@Lollonman1]

@@lolwutno how am I emotionally invested? I'm literally a dude training in the gym who follows these guys on Ig and occasionally watches competitions. We are just having a conversation here, there's no need to become salty and I'm definetely not invested into trying to prove these guys are doped or natural. Chill out.

[@alemail]

I don't see how anyone can compare USAPL and WADA tests. At least for me, a non independent org test is the same as no test, you cannot rate yourself, not even mentioning how easy is to defeat an urine test in contrast to a blood sample... An independent test org is needed, how is this implemented is the real question.

[@DK-jk8xz]

You can’t compare accuracy of the different tests by which one turned up more positives where those that pass nonwada aren’t then tested by wada standards. This is especially true if the Wada test number you used include Wada test that proceeded a positive nonwada test.

[@randomweeaboo]

I was thinking this too

[@ONE-pg7wd]

Bro what???

[@lultimoribelle250]

USAPL let Dbol sandy compete in tested

[@stefanoscodina241]

I'm afraid USAPL will become a kind of circus business and nothing else ... but I hope I'm wrong

[@HM-qe9pd]

Where is Jonnie

[@bigm186]

if everyone that was competing gave samples four times a years that where stored not tested and only after the comp the top 3 could be checked back on to make sure they where clean all year around it would rule out most foul play and still be cheap,just pee in a jar

[@herrnoname2.094]

Yeah.......and these young Powerlifters in my Gym still think they are all natural.

[@fmbmitgt]

Terrific vid - thanks. I could see USAPL becoming like the NCAA men's basketball tourney. The teams at the top aren't as good as they used to be, because of 1 and done, and the G League. But the tourney itself is still exciting competition. USAPL will lose plenty of elite lifters, but Nats etc. will still be entertaining, and of course, state and local meets will go on as usual. If they DO lose lifters to USPA, it won't be because of this IPF split. The REAL problem, IMO is, IPF Constitution, Article 14, paragraph 2.

[@Leo.witchere]

Imagine you go to worlds to lift against a nation who isn't "tested enough" : oh my lord no Imagine you go to worlds to lift against rouska and such but they are tested : oh yes this feels right

[@MrFuryz]

Rouska chooses not to compete at worlds

[@MrFuryz]

@out yet chooses not to be drug tested randomly throughout the year by not going worlds the past 4 years..

[@Target13808]

@@MrFuryz he’s drug tested at every single local meet he chooses to compete at. I go to the same locals as him

[@MrFuryz]

@@Target13808 I know that I'm there. But why not take world titles? Because you can't be bothered to be great or because you don't want to be drug tested when you can't prepare for it?

[@christiant1916]

@@MrFuryz rouska is a Jr world champion and does in fact get out of meet tested throughout the year. He barely won the open this year and the covid situation was a very real concern as to not go

[@roymclean4763]

Targeting testing rather than random testing could be a lot more effective at a much lower percentage of population.

[@Bronskyjustin7]

I’d like to see how many top 10 lifters are getting tested in each weight class for the United States. A lot of these guys and girls top 5 especially just are not convincing me they are natural. I think these test need to target higher level lifters, I think they’re probably hitting mostly average lifters

[@stackered]

Don't guys just cycle off a few weeks before testing lol

[@aronhegedus]

Itd be useful to know how easy it is to pass drug tests if you KNOW when you're getting tested. Because if you can catch steroids a year in the past, then testing at worlds should be the most important thing, because that's who people look to in general, rather than national champions. If however you can test clean with say 2 months notice, then the problem is much much harder. Either way, the fact that at worlds they don't AUTOMATICALLY test the top 5 lifters and those who break or come close to a world record is unfortunate to me (not sure what their protocol is exactly)

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

You can't test for testosterone beyond the CIR and epitest tests, and if you use short esters like testosterone suspension you can actually be theoretically clean in 24 hours. If you had state sponsorship you could also beat CIR testing by getting testosterone made from cholesterol rather than from soybeans and yams like most pharma test is made from. The only drugs that can be tested for years out are the older oral steroids like dianabol, turinabol, etc, due to them leaving metabolites in fat cells similar to how THC has longterm fat metabolites. Those were the most popular drugs in powerlifting and Olympic weightlifting as testosterone beyond a low dose bloats you up way too much and you get huge and swole, but your strength doesn't go up proportionally like with those drugs. Testosterone is still plenty performance enhancing compared to not having it at all, as you could do way more training and not overtrain compared to being natural and get moderate strength increases from the drug alone, so only in meet testing would mean testosterone is defacto legalized to take as long as you can figure out a way to PCT before the meet a month out or so, you'd 100% pass the test.

[@sladethompson4920]

Wya Jonnie

[@matthewcincotta62]

My opinion is that this comes down to a very simple difference in objective. The USAPL’s objective is to provide the cleanest platform that’s practically possible (you never guarantee it, but you can do your best, which I believe they are doing). The IPFs objective is to get to the Olympics (not a goal of a clean platform). The USAPL wants to catch cheaters, while the IPF wants to look like there aren’t any cheaters so they can seem better than Weightlifting. It’s suuuuuuuper sketchy that all the IPF blood tests came back clean in 2019… is it a bit sketchy that the USAPL does their own drug tests at the local level, but why would they even do them at all and cause this drama if they didn’t want to catch people? Why not just comply with WADA and do less testing if they wanted to help their lifters cheat? Doesn’t make sense.

[@GilBatesLovesyou]

Yeah, the reason I personally don't like the IPF is while I'd be happy to have powerlifting included alongside Olympic lifting in the Olympics, the IPF is trying to overtake Olympic weightlifting as the main Olympic strength sport. They're absolutely giddy about the things going on with the IWF, thinking it's their time in the sun now for inclusion into the Olympics. But the IPF imo at least as far as testing but also other weird political things like gear, etc, seems about IWF level corrupt already, just much smaller and less relevant.

[@kevinwheeler5595]

More cheap urine tests is not better than top level blood tests. If you want to claim “drug free” then you must do the best tests that actually have a chance of catching people trying to fool you. Randomly catching noobs with a pee test isnt an accomplishment. Blood tests can test for levels. Not just positive or negative. Test levels that are suspiciously low can be looked into. WADA is a good testing program. IPF letting untested countries in is a whole other issue

[@jordixboy]

I dont see the problem with drugs, make 2 divisions, drug free and drug usage. People can choose where to go, but obviously people dont want to see normal, they want to se superhumans, it already happens, this is the state we live in.

[@jesserosenberg5408]

Great video. A lot of good points. I had a thought: do cheaper drug tests have a higher likelihood of false positives? I don’t know the mechanics of the tests so maybe this is impossible but it was an idea that popped into my head.

[@tjcogger1974]

I thought Jonnie was pointing a gun at me in the beginning of the video lol

[@momscastle]

there's probably no drug testing in japan because if found doping they'd go to jail for life lol

[@andreabarone4964]

Dude you should do a face reveal

[@Jmack7861]

You misspelled uspa when you said where all American lifters should go to.*

[@adrianflo6481]

Excuse me... Ireland? economically successful? They are a tax haven being black mailed by corporations to keep taxes to 0 Rest of the video was great as always.

[@jabraun00]

every power lifter I know has for a long time or still does and I dont know any that have been tested.

[@Doviruses.existbaileyonodysee]

That's why i like watching strongman. no natty or not politics. I think they just test for amphetamenes.

[@Dnordsmark]

Danish lifter with some inputs: It's absolute horse shit that a highly tested nation like our own is supposed to compete on an even field with nations with 0 or barely any testing done. PEDs are actually straight up not legal in Denmark, not just in terms of sports, but banned by law. I don't have any aspirations to compete internationally, even though my total is above the current national record in my weight class, and knowing I'd be going up against nations without testing is definitely part of the reason why I don't feel motivated to do so.

[@daanh8916]

Ur just not strong enough

[@combinemax]

Reject ipf, embrace usapl

[@shifter8207]

The lack of consistency is ridiculous the ipf is a joke.

[@SascalPu]

Hi I‘m from Germany and in Germany we say… …soooooooooooooooooo

[@punttijulle]

Not defending ipf but i´m 16yo and have been tested so at least in Finland the testing is strict.

[@pancakegawd9974]

That Hodgetwins clip was gold 🤣

[@ramofehsan9544]

Anyone have any idea how usapl athletes are hanging with and doing better than athletes from countries that have much lower rates of drug testing ?

[@wellstrong6858]

American Lifters start training and compete much earlier than the rest of the world, see all the information in openpowerlifting The minimum age to compete around the world is 14 years old While in the United States it is 5 years old

[@donaldwilson4037]

Does this also mean US Virgin Island listers shouldn't lift in IPF? did the IPF just start being laxed about drug testing or has it been going on for the 22 yrs that USAPL was the US affiliate?? Find it hard to believe they JUST became corrupt but were fine for the last 22 years. Up until two week ago officials at USAPL events were walking around with their IFP scarfs and ties.

[@hansschwartz1480]

Is Taylor Atwood as natty as you are?

[@drodiger]

Powerlifting America is founded as a new IPF affiliate if I am correct? Already a knife in the back to USAPL. Btw, you also didn't mention WADA exemptions for growth hormone, if your doctor prescribes you!

[@samthelad4313]

Over 2 months since a Candito upload.. the IPF must have gotten him 💀

[@ErikMata]

With regards to the 3110 drug tests done my the USAPL, how many of those tests were WADA tests?

[@Mikeymaybeme]

I don’t support the IPF Becuase they don’t allow skateboards on the platform

[@BlackWat3rGTR]

Ok bro. You definitely lift at my gym. Going over your older videos from different areas in the gym I've confirmed it but I never see you there! I'm guessing you go very early in the morning(I work first shift) or you go very late at night(I have kids and I'm out of the gym by 730pm. Would be awesome to meet up for a session just once. Not looking to be in a video (I'm ugly as shit), would just love some pointers.

[@lukasmoesgaard8937]

While I do not agree with everything in this video, it is still a much needed one. Just because you lift in an IPF affiliate does not mean you compete in a properly drug tested federation. As a danish lifter, when competing internationally, of course this sucks, but unfortunately it is just the way things are at the tested international stage (because let's be real, IPF is the only remotely international tested federation). In this regard, I definately agree that USAPL should not have been voted out of the IPF as all countries that routinely don't drug test are a way bigger concern than some extra tests that are non-WADA. As you mention, this is solely due to appeasing the IOC, which is a joke because powerlifting will never be in the olympics, and recognizing this could improve the sport vastly (fx by actually setting drug testing requirements for member nations). The primary issue I have is with the numbers and comparisons made in the video. The clear advantage of WADA tests, is NOT the precision of the test, but that the tests are performed by an independent body. Therefore, if you lack trust in the federation the non-WADA tests are basically useless. Seen from this point of view, the US drug testing numbers are therefore highly inflated. With this reasoning I would argue that 6000 WADA tests would always be preferable to 12000 non-WADA tests fx. However, as mentioned even excluding the non-WADA tests, USAPL does a better job of testing than a lot of other countries, which is the entire problem with this exclusion if you ask me.

[@cheeselover626]

Candito AnCap confirmed?

[@ltroy_sw]

For me personally, ISF is the best. Although it could've been much better.

[@DaLooseGoose11]

haha WOW, i was already gonna switch to USPA, now seeing this scandal makes me just wanna join em even more LMAO

[@andrewlipnick8131]

Does the IPF not do any drug testing in international competitions? Are athletes only subject to drug tests by their country's affiliate? Because if so then I understand why a country not doing any drug testing would be unfair, but if the IPF tests at worlds then the fact that some countries don't do tests themselves is less of an issue.

[@juliawilliams1355]

Honestly pretty over both the USAPL and IPF but I have to agree with this. Hopefully a lot of the things that weren't so great about the USAPL change as they move away from the IPF, but I'll be shocked.

[@samuraibat1916]

The lighting in this video combined with the shadows on Jonnie's eyes are giving off major uncanny valley vibes. Otherwise great video. Those libertarian bits made me chuckle every time

[@mattymattffs]

I would be interested in how the tests lay, local vs National vs international. Because outside of national and international I think it's waste of resources.

[@Dlorah-]

who cares about the pourcetage of lifter being tested wath important it's the top 15-20 being tested the rest is irelevant

[@Scott-zh5ip]

Super strong and interesting arguments. But i don't think making the sport the America show simply because the u.s. has the population numbers makes sense either. It's a fudge dog of a situation and I honestly had no idea (UK ipf lifter here) that so many countries didn't even test. In the UK though there isn't really a legit fed competition either.

[@azulsimmons1040]

If these smaller countries can afford roids, they can afford drug testing.

[@pattybaselines]

Jonnie putting up the Ancap flag I'm so aroused.

[@NickMcHardyGolfs]

Anyone who disagrees is just trying to protect their wallets.

[@alemail]

Sometimes I think ppl from USA don't understand how tax works (or don't care), you don't need more tax to support sports you can relocate resources, just 1 M1 tank cost 6m, think about that, just 1. you can use that tax money for peaceful purposes. There is no lack of money, there is a lack of will. Testing is dirt cheap in terms of gov funding.

[@azerty1933]

It's not only like that in the US, in France we are the champions when it come to adding taxes rather than removing useless spendings

[@jdhill770]

In the US we do not *ever* end taxes. We just add new ones. Which is why so many of us oppose taxation in general. It is theft.

[@ralphM1114]

That is a copious amount of bokeh. What lens do you use?

[@flamingosarerad9362]

I don’t really care about this topic. Talk about a topic I care about.

[@GuruLifts]

love to hear a bitta clout on Gibbs' name. hoping I can follow in his footsteps and make my way to IPF worlds 🙏

[@qewr4231]

There are ways to beat drugs tests. Don't forget about that.

[@TheHH1991]

I am a drug free lifter, and it is very frustrating for me to look at the numbers of the lifts, some numbers are incredible, I do not feel protected my choice about not to take drugs, certainly there are drug free people who lift huge weights, but still the doubt it makes me frustrated, I hate doping and "tested" federations don't protect poor assholes like me