Why I Don't Use APDS Anymore

Decal affiliate link: tinyurl.com/42...
When I made my video on the Centurion Mk2, I remarked that sabot rounds aren't very good. Some people said I had a skill issue, so now I'm taking out the Australian Centurion Mk5/1 with solid shot to prove them wrong.
Edited by ‪@killerofal719‬
Check the channel "About" section for the link to the creator of my profile picture.
Songs used (in order from first to last):
Command and Conquer: Generals OST
Second channel: / @spookstoon
Patreon: / spookston
Twitter: / spookston
Reddit: /u/spookston
Discord: See my Patreon page.
#warthunder​​​​​​​​​​​​ #tanks​​​​​​​​​​​​ #tankhistory
Why I Don't Use APDS Anymore

[@Spookston]

I've started outsourcing editing for some of the videos I record, and this is one of them. I'm trying to relegate them to the transplant stockpile for now, but I didn't have enough time to edit a video for today because shadowplay just decided not to record game audio

[@dihannvanniekerk]

​@dinoconcderp

[@dihannvanniekerk]

Hey Spook! Do you think you could get Gaijin to add the German Panzerhaubitze 2000 at 8.0? Please?

[@reebwar64]

Stuff management sux, hope you get to sort sum stuff out! Also, m103 when?

[@stick_person857]

Spookston after all your new vehicle videos are done I would like to see a video on the USA M42 fast and can harassed the enemy’s

[@the1upist]

T-34-100 video please

[@arlobones3410]

“Shell shattered”

[@gablor452]

I think it got removed in a minor update

[@arlobones3410]

nah I’ve experienced it a lot lately, like I came back in the past week and have got it alot

[@mattbrown7935]

Pain 🥲

[@jonathanvautour7899]

​@gablor452 I can confirm she'll shattered still happens, though maybe less since la royale occurred (it didn't happen often for me to begin with, all with shooting mostly flat surfaces, so I don't know how well to gage it).

[@gablor452]

Gaijin lied, again.

[@alexdobma4694]

The sabot going *through* his ammo rack and not exploding it would've forced me to buy an entire new setup with the amount of monkey-rage it would've caused in me.

[@Thorgon-Cross]

You know sabot as a rule does not set off ammo right? Only the fragments from it, that are very hot, can. Expecting sabot to set off ammo is like expecting a grenade to blow up when you shoot it....just plain dumb.

[@techpriest5452]

​@@Thorgon-Crossand you are just talking out of your ass, atleast when it comes to game mechanics.

[@DominicDarrell]

@@Thorgon-Cross An 84mm APDS round can absolutely light ammunition up. The spall does get hot, and is the best chance for ignition, but the projectile itself does as well. It flies through the air at 1400m/s or more, generating heat from air resistance, before it punches through the steel plates of the armor, heating it up even more. In game, yes, spall is limited to a few fragments, but in real life, hitting their ammo rack would send thousands of tiny superheated fragments and sparks throughout the interior of the tank. The cloud of powder from the rounds you just obliterated could easily ignite in a big ball of explosive fire, sending the rest of the rounds up in flame as well. This all happens in a fraction of a second. Is it guaranteed, absolutely not. Is it likely, 100%! Hell, it's even happened with people getting shot by small arms through a vest containing extra mags for their rifle. Yes it's just a game, but sabot is by no means just a hole puncher. The whole intent of it is to focus huge energy into one small point to punch through, then dump the rest of its energy into the interior of the tank by shattering and sending hot fragmentation around the interior. It's not the best choice for racking someone, but it's more than capable of it.

[@lucassager6732]

@@DominicDarrellLol This guy sounds like the type of guy that would share classified documents to prove his point I wouldn't test em elff

[@DominicDarrell]

@@lucassager6732 I’m about to crack open those 1948 classifieds 🥸

[@razvy6949]

Telling Spookston "Skill Issue" is like telling a proffesional driver to drive better

[@Optimusprime56241]

Skill issue

[@Finsternis..]

One can alway do better.

[@talltale9760]

He’s not omnipotent.

[@supremecaffeine2633]

​@@talltale9760Neither are the best players, your point?

[@jimmydesouza4375]

Stats wise he isnt that good though and half his videos are him complaining about mistakes he himself makes. Skill issue is a reasonable thing to say.

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

Literally be suffering in this vehicle for a bit; at point blank range, the APDS couldn’t kill a King Tiger at point blank range from the side. APDS is absolutely tragic

[@HNNLUND]

aim for the ammo, nothing but aphe can oneshot a king tiger from the side without hitting the ammo.

[@bubblesofthecoast6393]

@@HNNLUND That’s the thing; I was aiming at the back of the turret and it didn’t do anything. I am willing to say that a part of this is due to skill issue, but the dart didn’t even pen, and it was the P-turret, not the H-turret so I imagine it should’ve had even less trouble getting through

[@benfennell6842]

​@@HNNLUNDsabot often simply fails to detonate ammo. never aim for it with sabot it's a terrible idea.

[@HNNLUND]

@@benfennell6842 idk i have not had this happen to me, but mabye i am lucky.

[@andyfriederichsen]

A King Tiger shouldn't be able to survive that.

[@Je-s-s-e_J-a-m-e-s]

the projectile mass is actually a huge factor when it comes to pen that being said Sabot needs a huge buff especially when it is the UPGRADED shell yet performs worse on some tanks

[@wotwott2319]

most early sabot uses tungsten rigid cores, I dont think a material that's more than twice denser than steel would just "shatter" upon hitting a plate at a slight angle.

[@b.c.2281]

​@@wotwott2319 Yeah I swear they are mistaking tungsten alloys (usually created specifically to resist shattering I might add) for tungsten carbide, which is brittle but insanely hard. That being said I really haven't actually experienced the "shell shattered" thing nearly as much with APDS as I have with APCR. APDS just gets frustrating because unless you get lucky with an ammo shot you just repeatedly hole punch the enemy tank to death. It's perfect for getting assists challenges though. Lol

[@Michael-uc2pn]

​@@b.c.2281 APDS is bad and unreliable, APCR is hot garbage and a last resort for things I absolutely cannot pen any other way. At least that's been my experience.

[@b.c.2281]

@@Michael-uc2pn yeah that's the same experience I'm having. I'm still pretty new to the game so some of it is probably just a skill issue but if I can avoid using either of them I do, which is really unfortunate trying to grind British tanks.

[@thespecificeasternspy7426]

That gave me an idea... You should try the Charioteer. Basically the same gun on much lower BR and on a very fast and nimble chassis (something that you like). Pretty underrated in my opinion. Oh and the ISU-122S obviously.

[@adf8537]

tru this is one of my best vehicles

[@crazeelazee7524]

Is that the one that takes 3 years for the gun to stabilize once you hit the breaks?

[@inzane456]

@@crazeelazee7524 No, it's the one that takes 15 years to reverse a few inches back.

[@UTriLepe1]

My grandpa has higher head elevation than charioteers gun!Still,not a bad tank

[@temerityxd8602]

​@@inzane456 That describes most British tanks, you're going to need to be more specific.

[@itzdrush3953]

3:32 IM THE IDIOT WITH THE BIG OLE FACE IN THE IS6 YES I WAS SAVING MY BUDDY WE R BOTH PRETTY NEW

[@gamegoustpro1905]

respect 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥

[@MberEnder]

I tried doing a 1v6 against some friends in my M41. I didn't realize that my sabot was going to shatter every time I shot the front of their Jagdpanthers and ended up getting spawn camped.

[@MberEnder]

It's almost as bad as APCR now.

[@aether-music]

the M41’s APDS is insanely good 90% of the time but the remaining 10% i get shit like APDS vanishing into the turret of a 2S3M

[@MberEnder]

@@aether-music it should be able to penetrate the front of a Jagdpanzer IV like butter but for some reason it doesn't most of the time; it just shatters.

[@I_am_looking_for_GF]

As a centurion main i am so sad the apds got nerfed, but the apcbc still works so it isn't to bad

[@I_am_looking_for_GF]

@@overlordminigun6346 black night should be 11.3 not 11.7, but i fee like the centurions are good at 7.3, they are a menace in downtiers and still good in uptiers, now with the apds changes the mk10 isnt as good as the mk3 and mk5 cus it doesnt have apcbc

[@I_am_looking_for_GF]

@@overlordminigun6346 i was a german main before, my brain hasnt recovered yet

[@AHappyCub]

​@@I_am_looking_for_GF The thing with Cent Mk.2 and 5 is that 84mm is simply too weak to fight anything above 7.0 reliably, it genuinely needs to go down asap, the power gap between 84mm and 105mm is too big rn unless Gaijin buff sabot under 105mm

[@AHappyCub]

@@overlordminigun6346 That is sadly the inherent weakness of the chassis, nothing Gaijin can do tbh since the Brits didn't bother upgrading or upping the engine

[@I_am_looking_for_GF]

@@AHappyCub not prob with the engine, it has a speed limiter and could go faster without it, they just wanted it slow so it could last longer

[@ezragipp7855]

"And someone said I had a skill issue..." Spookston: "AND I TOOK THAT PERSONAL"

[@Gameboy2218]

The nice "click, boom, BOOM" of APHE is a massive dopamine boost. And then there is solid-shot - which warrants a life-time supply of anti-depressants and therapy.

[@Michael-uc2pn]

Do you like kill assists? Then you're gonna LOVE playing UK.

[@cscs4169]

Every time I get the urge to redownload this game, Spookston comes in clutch with clips such as that T-54 engagement and I lose all interest in playing it again. So thanks Spookston!

[@bigbuna]

t54 is the best heavy tank i ve ever play

[@Sky_Guy]

@@bigbuna Apparently the modern-day Russian army agrees!

[@purplepotato69]

@@Sky_Guy i mean if you have tens of thousands of them it makes complete sense to use them as stationary artillery emplacements behind the front lines like they are currently doing. Extra firepower at the cost of expendable old mbts

[@Sky_Guy]

​@@purplepotato69 Sorry to knock over your copium pipe, but we literally have footage of them on the front lines. And even if they _were_ used as artillery, they don't have _any_ aspects of an actual artillery piece that would make it viable. Barrel will wear out, accuracy will be worthless, ammo takes too long to load, can't be towed, can't be driven in all terrain, the list goes on.

[@purplepotato69]

@@Sky_Guy There's footage of them on defensive lines and footage of russian backed militia using them but the actual russian army doesn't use them in full on combat. Also it's extremely viable as being shown by ukrainian, russian, and british MOD reports in zaporizhzhia. Barrels can be replaced, accuracy is good enough, crews can be trained to load faster, tanks can be towed perfectly fine, wont need to be driven unless under usage by militia groups, and the list goes on. I'm all for ukraine in this war but let's not go full retard and say that russia doesn't have enough ammo, men or equipment for the war and that ukraine will take back crimea by the end of the month or something completely unhinged. Propaganda goes both ways and you have already fallen to the western side of it. Call it copium all you want but you're the only ones here completely biased so you can take the paragraph you pulled out of your ass and put it right back up there where it belongs. Also don't like your own comment lmao

[@simonkristl5364]

The APDS really hurts the Chieftain Mk. 3 (and otheres), because you realistically only have the APDS. The penetration of the round is pretty good (good flat pen, angled pen too), the post pen damage is very weird. At times you get less spall than 30mm APDS from a BMP2.

[@crazyadam9281]

Try the playing a stock Chieftain Mk.10 which has the same APDS has the Chief Mk.3/Mk.5 for it's stock round facing 10.0 tanks 90% of the time, I'm glad I aced it well before the APDS nerf.

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

I still can't accept what they did to the L15A3 shot making it sub 300mm penetration at shotgun range as anything less than "mad at Anglos in a Russian way" pay to progress nationalism nerfs.

[@VarenvelDarakus]

its worth noting that APDS has shell shattering mechanic , something not other shell in the game has ,. so there is chance your shell just disapears , ontop of chance it being "ghost shell" due packet loses.

[@juusolatva]

I thought they changed that or at least the June 14th changelog says this: "Destruction mechanics of APDS and APCR rounds have been changed. Now, the projectile doesn’t destroy with impact, but loses armour piercing capability depending on thickness of the first armoured obstacle, as well as in the spaces between armoured elements affected." I do admit that trying to understand the arcane knowledge contained in Gaijin's changelogs is a skill I have not fully mastered, since they are often obscure translations from Russian that are done only markedly better than Google Translate would manage. nevertheless I thought that APDS projectiles not being destroyed on impact would refer to the shell shattering mechanic, but to be sure I guess one has to actually play and see, if it really is the case in the game.

[@VarenvelDarakus]

@@juusolatva maybe they did , I not read patch notes for long time , know most tanks I had to go thru who had it was pain

[@cyberdroid2300]

10:38 in hindsight the shot on the driver was probably the safer shot. But it's hindsight innit. As a brit enjoyer I commonly find that Russian fuel tanks are extremely fond of eating my APDS (whether destroyed or not). And even then, if you pen the ammo it very often just refuses to detonate, or detonates and does nothing. Welcome to the british main ground exprience, the air experience is even worse :D

[@jspene]

British props are actually some of the best in game IMO along with Germany, I haven’t gotten to jets so I can’t say for there

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@jspene Have you used Hispanos with their default belts since they were subjected to realshatter? All the HE rounds have been replaced with packing peanuts, and the only other rounds you get are about as bad as .30 cals.

[@cyberdroid2300]

@@commandoepsilon4664 "Packing peanuts" ahahaha😆. That's a new one. This is the sad reality my friend. It's why with british cannons I only use stealth belts. The worst part is that hispanos are your only cannon from prop tier to early cold war jet tier, so get comfy 😭.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@cyberdroid2300 Honestly I'd rather have hispanos than ADENs... at least you'd get a decent amount of ammo.

[@SemoventeDa]

Hey Spook, you should play the Semovente 75/46 M43. It's a deeply overshadowed italian tank destroyer which can deliver an heavy punch but it's deeply ignored the potential it has. (Day 48)

[@destroy0760]

id love to see spooks play more italian vehicles

[@Traxlar]

Thats my favorite italian tank, with 10 degrees of depression and the low profile its great for sniping

[@emib6599]

Other war thunder youtubers talked about it, they said it was over BR and it should be lowered.

[@A407RAC]

You like the word "deeply" don't you? What would that be in Italiano? xD

[@jspene]

Specifically the up armored variant, it can block shots from Sherman’s and t-34s point blank and the gun is good with 100mm pen

[@Vabeng64]

I'm keen on to see how the Type 60 spgr would perform under your hands.

[@rileyfitzsimons8875]

As a British main, My soul (just like my shells) has been shattered by the nerfs😢 Edit: (glad to know my pain is my most liked comment, so I’ll use this “fame” to ask spook to play the British striker!)

[@ManhNguyen-yd6kz]

But falcon

[@Last_Baguette0001]

As a British Main too I can relate

[@ushikiii]

Same. They fucked my favorite tank the Comet. Fuck gaijin from the bottom of my heart.

[@SeductiveWalrus]

As a brit main i can't relate lmao

[@fryaduck]

Gaijin has always had a bias towards any round that has a bursting filler. Even going so far as editing wikipedia and using it to prove their point. Mostly because Soviet tanks don't use solid shot or APDS, yet the Brits swore by it. 17 pounder APDS is why the US eventually adopted HVAP (APCR) and because APHE, APHEC, APHECBC weren't capable of penetrating a Tiger frontally. Edit: There was about 18 months of me fighting Gaijin behind the scenes at wikipedia. I lost because Gaijin donated to them from my recollection. Money talks and history (facts) walk.

[@bjboss1119]

I feel like they've secretly filled all our sabo rounds with APCR, because that's how it behaves lately. 384mm of pen in a 3kg sabo round from a 20pdr: *hits an M48 in the UFP* M48 driver: "aw man i spilled tomato sauce" The rest of his crew: *perfectly fine instead of eviscerated* . Also putting a round into the M48s breach is literally impossible you'll just get shell shattered.

[@unclesam5733]

I played Vickers Mk.1 yesterday and had a blast. 105mm APDS is pretty good most of the time. I know that thing is pretty unique due to its mobility and very fast reloading on 105mm at 7.7. But two 15kill games in a row were really nice. You should try it before they nerf it. I would say its the best tank in the UK tech tree.

[@boijames3253]

Wait, they’re gonna nerf what and when ?

[@Jake_Peralta]

This is true. Sabot works only on 100mm+ guns

[@unclesam5733]

@boijames3253 I'm just guessing. Because that Vicker mk1 is really busted. 105mm APDS with pen better than the Vickers Mk8. And 6s reload. It's so good at bullying Germans with their slow reload and no stabilizer.

[@danb4900]

@@unclesam5733 Yeah the M728 shot is kinda shit now, it has slightly more sloped pen for way less flat pen, I think its values are actually historically incorrect aswell, the 260mm pen figure I believe is supposed to be at long range, not close range..

[@unclesam5733]

@@danb4900 I just unlocked the Vickers mk.8 and noticed that its shot is even worse then the Vickers Mk1 and also it has slower reload. I see no reason why it is at 8.0

[@InternetStudiesGuy]

The shell going right through the ammo rack and doing nothing is not a Sabot thing, it's a "russian tank" thing

[@GoonyMclinux]

In real life the turret would end up in a field 200 meters from the tank. 😂

[@Komet1305]

lol what is that pfp. you wanna ban women? xD

[@irishspring2561]

@@Komet1305 they scare me too

[@Mystic_Void]

@@Komet1305Only a genshin pfp would disagree

[@Komet1305]

​@@Mystic_Void I feel like any sane person would disagree lol

[@SaintTheuhhh]

You should make a video on the new French AuF1 it’s pretty fun but also really annoying lmao

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

man, i really love the sound effects you put on your videos. i feel it perfectly encapsulates the feeling of playing this game.

[@juusolatva]

I guess the real benefit of APDS would be the lesser ricochet chance (and yes the better penetration too), but nothing beats post-penetration damage. if you instead use AP(CBC) rounds (preferably with HE filler) that have less penetration, you can compensate with the correct shot placement and reap rewards of the better post-pen damage, because in War Thunder tank crews are made of men with iron morale, who never abandon their tanks even after multiple penetrations. those brave men will continue to do their duties until they are almost all or all dead (depends on the tank, for example in Strv 103 everybody has to die, but in other tanks the last remaining crew member can possibly survive). I'm not saying that I would like to see a morale system in the game in any shape or form, but it's more of an observation about the brutality of gladly fighting to the death inside a steel coffin in War Thunder compared to how common it is to see abandoned tanks in the war in Ukraine. it's almost like people don't actually want to die or see their friends die suddenly in a horrible way, although to be fair ground SB despite its other faults (like the lack of coordination, if you are not in a squad with friends) gets in some ways closer to the more careful approach you see in reality. still it's merely frustrating to be destroyed in one shot by a tank you didn't even see and not literal death. on a final note and despite the comparison to the war in Ukraine I wouldn't actually recommend playing top tier tanks in SB due to thermals among other things, but somewhere between 7.0-7.7 it can actully be pretty fun imo, especially with a friend.

[@PC-coolant-pipe-sucker]

Wait, APDS has less ricochet chance? I thought APC was the king in this regard

[@zerophoenix6758]

8:53 "Eeeeep" -Spookston 2023

[@dogefishy3655]

I think it'd be pretty need if you tried the AMX-50 Surbaisse. 6 second 19 round autoloader makes it very interesting to play. The gun also feels quite nice.

[@Switchclackback]

Yeah, I've been playing a lot of GB lately and I've just been using APDS like a backup APCR round in other nations tanks for emergencies. Ever since your Centurion MK.2 video, I've tried to primarily only use AP slugs on my GB tanks and it's been working out a lot better! I hope APDS gets some sort of changes soon.

[@mernyr]

The comet was put at 5.3 because it got a sabot and now it’s AP is worse than the rest of its lineup while having a useless sabot. Edit: there’s also the black prince which should sit at 5.7 but currently sits at 6.0 where it gets constant up tiers and has the misfortune of having to fight 6.7 line ups while not having anything to rely on since it’s sabot is also worthless and it’s armor at that br can’t really be relied on.

[@hallamhal]

Comet was my favourite tank to play, but now it's just frustrating to play

[@murisbukvic2496]

i love how the APDS that allowed the British to pen the King Tiger frontally, and British guns in general seem to fire slightly hurtful insults in WT. I would love to see you try Panzer II. Good news: It's a light tank. Bad News: it has trouble penetrating anything

[@ScrotalsbySackington]

My highest kill vehicle and my best k/d is panzer 2 f and dak..

[@whohashamburger855]

​@@ScrotalsbySackingtonthey recently nerfed the pen of the 20mm used to be 64mm at point blank now its like 40mm I think

[@ScrotalsbySackington]

@@whohashamburger855 48

[@ScrotalsbySackington]

@@whohashamburger855 it wasn't recent either. It's been that

[@whohashamburger855]

@@ScrotalsbySackington it was like a couple months ago right?

[@Omega_Mark]

I have noticed over the years that full downtiers usually means for me a steamroll loss. As if by magic, very often my shells do not pen. Very strange, as if one side gets buffed or I'm supposed to do 10+ kills to even have a chance at a win. In tanks I could have multiple matches with cotton ball shells and then... in the middle of the match... suddenly my shells start working and I start 1-shooting tanks left and right. In Naval I would get many loss matches with very little kills and then *poof* suddenly I'm starting killing left and right and get the first place win. In that losing streak, if I leave a 0.7-1.0 uptier at the start, the match is most often a win. There is something very screwy going on with all of this.

[@corvo6138]

I feel like your editing and jokes have improved a lot, I find all your videos really entrateining but I have never snorted so much at a WT video as this one!

[@momo-chan366]

I’m very sad that they nerfed the Sabot because I bought the Swedish Centurion and I used it as a grinding tool but now that it’s nerfed it’s not doing so hot at 7.3. Also you should play the T-34-57 I think it’s a little over powered.

[@theOn2]

Spookston: sees a pixel "I think that's a Jagdpanther"

[@andyfriederichsen]

Imagine if Gaijin focused on realism and fun instead of nerfing or buffing things at random for no good reason.

[@theScottishKoala]

Thing is, IRL this DOES have smoke grenades... hell there's pictures of it in Vietnam with them! Three guesses what Gaijin did with THAT report...

[@judedeschamps2369]

2:15 this is why I love Spook's videos. This kind of editing never fails to make me exhale through my nose and bring a smile to my face. Keep it up my man

[@HEAVYgamer6521]

Hey Spook. Love your vids. On the T54 pen. It’s upper plate protection is just about at the limit of 20pdr apds. At 60 deg. And gaijin did implement a mechanic where when apds reaches its max penetration it’s post pen suffers. Which it does in real life technically. It’s in one of the recent patch notes. And honestly I think that pen shouldntve killed the ammo from white.

[@KingBawzthe1st]

As a british main I use APDS mainly for the velocity, however I have come to learn where to shoot different tanks and can perform quite well with it, so theres nothing to complain about.

[@deadlyplumjellyproductions]

I know you've said you don't have many Italian vehicles, but if you get the chance, you should play the Breda 501. Pretty much an 88 flak but it can actually move - at least what I think it's like anyway. Well, cool video. Enjoyed the solid shot pain.

[@mechwarrior7278]

Btw that shot on the T-54 is a common occurrence on Russian vehicles it’s basically “ghost fuel tank” syndrome. Try it with a French AMX-30 (7.7) with heat and shoot the IT-1 in test drive repeatedly in its frontal fuel tank and Watch the fireworks. Also, Spookston, can you play the WZ305 again? Just to get revenge on CAS and tanks?

[@EnemyAtom65]

Dude you didn't have to make us all cry with that intro bro

[@juusolatva]

as you seem to love APDS so much I once again request that you try out one of the Chieftains (Mk 3, Mk 5, Mk 10 or the Khalid). you have already played a better version of the Chieftain Marksman, so there is no need to suffer needlessly, when you can suffer with a purpose.

[@nico-nico-nia2069]

Not too long ago, I was playing with a friend. 7.7 Britain with the Cent 3, Action X etc. I didn't know the Sabot nerfs were in effect. Absolutely outplayed an enemy and took 5 sabot shots to take him down, and I was absolutely losing my mind. It was then my friend said to me "Why aren't you using just AP?" like she was doing... It was then I dropped 7.7 to go back to 5.7.

[@okonkwojones]

0:46 Do you think sabot’s lack of damage compared to the APCBC is due to them calculating damage off the “projectile mass” value?

[@PolarBear69o]

APDS shells weigh quite a lot. The damage is less than 1/3 of the damage from solid shot these days

[@okonkwojones]

@@PolarBear69othey *should* weigh a lot, but their mass on the stat cards is listed as 3.22 kg, compared to 9.1 kg for the APCBC.

[@danb4900]

@@okonkwojones The weight is accurate to be honest, thing is that some APDS does weigh quite a bit, 120mm APDS weighs 16lb, so slightly lighter than the 17lber but with greatly increased velocity should result in a devastating hit

[@GOD_O_WAR]

Yes spookston i agree with you fighiting 8.3 am 8.0 apds on the 20pdr is painful and frustrating

[@alphastronghold715]

He shot a tank’s fuel tank with a solid shot and it exploded. He then immediately shoots a tank’s magazine and it does nothing. I will never understand Gaijin’s damage metrics

[@ZombieSlayerBO2]

Spookston trying toconvince his audience that he’s good at tanks without aphe:

[@Geniusinventor]

20-pounder APDS is not that bad in my experience, but the 105 mm and 120 mm got the most nurf and are very weak now.

[@gin2064]

Love this type of Editing. Very Entertaining keep on doing that!

[@jager898]

As a Marder fan, I laughed incredibly hard when you instantly died from that king tiger, it's almost as if you jinxed yourself.

[@jeffjustleft3360]

Wait can you tell me how the marder is op? And why does spookston hate the german tree and players so much?

[@jager898]

@@jeffjustleft3360 Marder is only good at its own br and spooks hates German mains cuz they stupid

[@acedogboy8421]

@@jeffjustleft3360bc they cry the loudest over their undertiered tanks and are thr most pampered nation atm

[@jeffjustleft3360]

@@acedogboy8421 the war thunder subreddit says otherwise

[@ironbloodxiii]

@@jeffjustleft3360 German players suffer endless skill issues, but their tanks are generally undertiered because of the lack of skill

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

love that you put in oblivion music, played that during war thunder break

[@kieronwong223]

The centurion got moved to 7.7.... why gaijin Why

[@Iminsomniac37]

10:44 I love this moment it's very inspiring and give me hope to live another day

[@Perculsus_]

day 94 of asking spookston to play the american M60A3 TTS. If spookston ever checks if my day counter is legitimate, he’ll find out that it’s been going for like 5 or 6 months already. (1 day = each video). I’ll probably have to do it for a little bit more since the new update came out.

[@ryanrobinson2380]

13:21 was my thought exactly, with a head tilt of confusion

[@nathanscott4091]

DAY 36 OF ASKING FOR THE SU100Y, I have hostages

[@HunterSteel29]

My soul. As a Britain main (Mostly South Africa because I am grinding the SA Vehicles), I could feel your pain. Also they said they fixed ghost rounds but didn't. Finally: Day 5 of asking you to play any of the Rooikat variants.

[@JustSomeDog]

8:48 thats the cutest noise

[@TheArklyte]

How to make Gaijin understand that their game is a game and then sabot of either kind is still a dangerous round - bombard their main office with sabot?

[@owenbacon3272]

Hello, I love your videos and I'm asking: can you make a video on the french tank AMX 13 because his repaire cost is about 4 000 silver lions now ??? Before it was over 9 000 silver lions.

[@spectralace314]

That first match is my typical game. Top of the team, 2/3 of my team with 1 kill max. Sucks losing out on the win bonus when you have nearly half your team’s kills.

[@theholyromanemperor6275]

what's even funnier about the plane at 13:00 is that it has the "Let's Go!" banner as it spins LMAO

[@thatchris1626]

Seeing the changes to low calibre heat and not a whisper about APDS makes me feel even better in my cent

[@thetruetojo5416]

I don't know why but that bmp-1 coming from behind that container with the guitar riff cracked me up more than it had any right to do

[@gustaflekander718]

7:53 i love that spookston actually has a personal beef with pz iv/70 lol

[@steweygrrr]

Spookston: That's really annoying, could you please stop that? IS-3: Stop what? Spookston: Existing.

[@feintcobra]

The Turm 3 is OP with APDS, also you should play the leKPz M41

[@thatregularguy]

That opening shoot was jarring as all hell. Didnt expect nostlaiga to hit

[@protogamer8641]

spookston: is satisfied by 8 kills in an uptier. me when i get 4 kills at any tier: pro gaming

[@man7912]

that entire bit with the IS-6 was the funniest thing I've ever seen

[@realhyperhamster]

0:50 I do not know why but the though of his legs getting roasted made me laugh when I shouldn't have

[@crazyadam9281]

Sub-munitions like APDS and full size munitions like solid shot need a big buff or APHE type rounds need a nerf.

[@koczownik4567]

Great job on this 'un, hope to see another one soon.

[@HONGKELDONGKEL1888]

Just unlocked the 4202. One of the best tanks i have ever played so far... If a little bit on the slow side. I also found the APCBC to spall much more than the APDS but i don't have the same "shell shattered" or "do no harm" problem that everyone seems to have...

[@drmaulana2600]

You better use solid shot while using 20pdr

[@HONGKELDONGKEL1888]

​@@drmaulana2600 i got a pretty even split for my loadout. solid shot works just fine, sabot for emergencies. goes right through damn near everything i shoot it at.

[@Angelina-San]

"I stopped using APDS" "Why? Can't you aim?" "Yes"

[@ILOVECALGARY2024]

8:53 “eeep” that was adorable

[@alluraambrose2978]

You had my rolling over the floor with that M56.

[@TheIcyWizard705]

I will say even though the 5/1 loses the smoke mortars it does in a way make it up by having that additional plate on the UFP so you can actually bounce some shots

[@MrImperatorRoma]

Absolutely howling with laughter when that Is6 bubbled into your duel and blocked his ally from shooting.

[@Xeonzs]

Lol I feel you on the legs being roasted part, I got my PC in my smaller office room of my flat, it's nice in teh winter, I don't need to turn on any heating in the house, but in the summer it sucks ass as there is no air blowing through the room, just past the room in the hallway, I've been considering moving my desk to the living room just to get more air blowing past me in the summers even if it means turning the heating on in the winter.

[@ForgedEnigma895]

You are very knowledgeable with real tanks so i'm curious to see you make a spec sheet for the M808B (90 or 105) and where you feel it would rank with modern real tanks. Thanks for being a fellow Halo nerd.

[@silverwolf5643]

0:54 Spookston Graphic card getting the best view while cooking it off 8:54 Spookston Cwute sound :3

[@chiefkalif9675]

APDS has gotten so many nerfs (and one buff that was almost instantly reversed) because people be complaining that sabot could go through the UPF of a Panther, but then don't say anything when the long 88 passes through the UFP of a Cheiftain.

[@yeetusdeletus4102]

10:45 “Big Mistake”

[@vaguevtx5090]

I think more than anything it depends on the weight and caliber. I haven't had any problems with the American 105 sabot, but the 84mm British and Swedish sabot feel jank as hell.

[@inheritedvibes633]

Nahhh the Swedish 105 has been janky as hell too, I’ve been getting a lot of shell shatters since the update dropped.

[@vaguevtx5090]

@inheritedvibes633 strange. Maybe its just a nation thing idrk tho

[@viktor8316]

nice choice of music, C&C generals is very fitting

[@riko5651]

7:42 that "hi buddy" was kinda cute

[@Sinni64]

That T55 scene happens so often to me, when I fight russian tanks. It´s either the round going through doing next to nothing, or the ammo is coloured as destroyed in the xray vision and it even shows up in the list of destroyed parts and nothing happens aswell. The ammo carousel of the russian MBTs seems to be made out of spall liners aswell lately.

[@TheWhoamaters]

I just restarted Oblivion last night, 3:40 got me good

[@maximilianmustermann1278]

i dont know why but i really like apds. especially the leo 1´s and 20 pdr´s. highe velocity (makes aiming in every aspect easier), a guarenteed pen on most tanks, doesnt get stuck on bushes as heat, keeps on flying where as a heatjet just disaapears. i almost exclusively use it at those tanks. first round goes into the gunner killing also the breech and the next one goes into the driver to finish it. sometimes it trolls you, but i really like it and have a great time with it

[@RandomBoi-nd5zf]

Ammo racks after a sabot goes through them: "Is someone there? Must've been the wind"

[@cerealrainer7220]

I just enlisted into the Air Force and the thing I’m going to miss most is spookstons videos at basic

[@banyanyas839]

The fact that ONLY British apds was this bad, convinced me that the snail truly hate British main

[@thekringe4387]

Every time i rewatch this i get more and more satisfaction out of that IS-6 J’ing out.

[@connorallison2123]

idk if it was the sleep deprivation but this was one of the funniest installments of spookston to date

[@capdetigla]

Hi spookston, if you end up readin this comment,i suggest that you should either do a video on the char g1 series of french medium tank projects and prototypes (and how they could be potentially added to wt) or a video on more french prototypes (from the second world war or any time period) that could be included in the french tech tree,cheers bud

[@WhiteGangster400]

I like the m60a1 sabot round, goes through the front of T-55am’s pretty reliably

[@Xenotork]

APDS seems to be on the shit end of the stick in terms of after pen damage. most likely due to how Gaijin has decided to calculate post pen shrapnel. From what i can tell, either they calculate the shrapnel per ammo type, or they calculate it soley off of shell diameter. Since sabot rounds are really thin compared to the barrel diameter, the shrapnel coming off the round itself is pretty much non-existent. If they added a calculation for post pen armor spalling, then this would actually make the sabots effective against thick armor plating, whereas the APHE would be most effective against thin armor. Since higher velocity rounds would create more spalling than is actually currently calculated in game. TLDR; Gaijin don't want to include post pen spalling into damage calculations, most likely because it would be resource intensive. But volumetric exists, so what can we expect?

[@blaken3824]

10:39 my theory is that the effect shot doesn't show if enemy's ammo rack is depleted a few shells or they came with minimal shell count to begin with