Why I Don't Work For FAANG

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Nick White

Nick White

4 жыл бұрын

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@bawad
@bawad 4 жыл бұрын
I was planning on making a video on this too, there is an extreme obsession with FANG that feels super unhealthy. The mentality that you're not a good coder if you don't work at FANG is toxic. I'm slightly tempted to work at FANG just so I can have the title "ex-googler", but at the same time I'm not interested enough to actually do it.
@shivrajnag12
@shivrajnag12 4 жыл бұрын
I watch Ben when I want software development tips. I watch Nick when I get obsessed by FANG and try to solve every fucking leetcode problem.
@Daniel_WR_Hart
@Daniel_WR_Hart 2 жыл бұрын
@Coffee Addict They probably don't even use HolyC for their hobby projects
@heinrichpreussen
@heinrichpreussen 2 жыл бұрын
xqcL
@SM-sc8mw
@SM-sc8mw 2 жыл бұрын
Can you get in tho? Ben?
@hawsh3066
@hawsh3066 4 жыл бұрын
"i am not a tryhard duhhh" said the man who solved 2000 leetcode question
@smithcodes1243
@smithcodes1243 4 жыл бұрын
Bro chill 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@hawsh3066
@hawsh3066 4 жыл бұрын
@@smithcodes1243 XD XD
@ericjhuneespa3381
@ericjhuneespa3381 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha nice !
@rtl6832
@rtl6832 4 жыл бұрын
😂 😂 😂
@sotacan
@sotacan 4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@NickWhite
@NickWhite 4 жыл бұрын
Making sure you guys aren’t missing the points! The overall video is about how it’s *not for everyone*. For some people it’s a great path but I see a lot of people that get so obsessed with these top companies that they completely change as people just to get hired! This is something I went through during my life and I’m just sharing why I don’t think it’s of the highest importance to work at FANG. There are a lot of other cool jobs so don’t stress yourself out!
@tofahub
@tofahub 4 жыл бұрын
Apple is missing so maybe that is where you are at
@souvikgantait4618
@souvikgantait4618 4 жыл бұрын
Nick like your view on FANG. I believe that one should work for a company that provides a good work-life balance and some degree of job security cause these factors really matter in the long run.
@aaronbrown3820
@aaronbrown3820 4 жыл бұрын
Yes Nick, there is too much obsession, it's like their life is defined by these companies it's kinda sad. The mentality of the field is going to shit.
@KevinNaughtonJr
@KevinNaughtonJr 4 жыл бұрын
legally changing my name to FAANG
@soradev5386
@soradev5386 4 жыл бұрын
@@KevinNaughtonJr Can't work for you bruh you wear employees out 👋🏾
@macroxela
@macroxela 4 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I did. Graduated with a master's in computer science and worked on lots of projects including designing & implementing databases, coding data structure visualisations in C++, making clones of Pokemon and Zelda dungeons among many others. Yet I decided to become a programming teacher at a high school. Many of my classmates went on to work at FANG or similar companies like IBM. They always asked me when I would get a 'real job'. Now they're quite unhappy about the work hours and work-life balance despite being payed way more than me. Meanwhile I receive a decent salary while traveling the world and having an actual impact on future generations instead of stressing out over how the button is the wrong color. All while enjoying a great work-life balance.
@aleisley5797
@aleisley5797 4 жыл бұрын
What the hell are they smoking? Teaching is one of the most prestigious jobs since you're literally passing down knowledge to the next generation.
@pradiptahafid
@pradiptahafid 3 жыл бұрын
hats of to you sir!
@jsdbhssbdbsjsj
@jsdbhssbdbsjsj 2 жыл бұрын
Btw did you make a rom hack or something?😆
@kaneyn6045
@kaneyn6045 Жыл бұрын
Must be cool to have you as a teacher.
@b58lol
@b58lol 4 жыл бұрын
This dude passes the vibe check ✔️
@tri1033
@tri1033 4 жыл бұрын
Finnaly a human Programmer on KZbin
@emilyau8023
@emilyau8023 8 ай бұрын
He sat like L from Death Note!
@BasicallySteve23
@BasicallySteve23 4 жыл бұрын
I’m with you. I’m happy with my job right now. My instructor worked at Amazon and he made it seem really stressful. I don’t need that kind of stress when my overall impact on the world is something akin to styling a button. If I’m going to stress out over work I’d like to make something that’s actually beneficial for humanity.
@hn1574
@hn1574 4 жыл бұрын
BasicallySteve23 My coworker left Amazon too, and all he says everyday is “Amazon bad.”
@jbkhan1135
@jbkhan1135 4 жыл бұрын
@@hn1574 - I've known several people who worked at Amazon (in different roles and areas) and all but one said it was a horrible, toxic place to work
@subhedarsanchay
@subhedarsanchay 4 жыл бұрын
I got ad from AlgoExpert duing this video asking me do I want to prepare for Google! lol
@chrishamilton1728
@chrishamilton1728 4 жыл бұрын
I just got my offer to Google, but I'm gonna turn them down as a meme! Is what I would say if I wasn't a broke ass student...
@Hgh38
@Hgh38 3 жыл бұрын
That is what would I say if I am not broke and an idiot
@foof7352
@foof7352 4 жыл бұрын
For someone like me who has 0 discipline, has trouble building up work habits to practice coding, and look to satisfy my boredom with time-wasting stress relief too often, I feel like achieving that sort of mentality and habit of really working yourself to insanity is necessary before finding that balance. Since I feel my scale is tilted too far towards "finding happiness" and not enough of "Do the damn work". I do agree with a lot of what Nick says.
@griffincosgrove8927
@griffincosgrove8927 4 жыл бұрын
I agree though the community has gotten more pretentious and competitive in a bad way in my opinion
@DanielK1213th
@DanielK1213th 4 жыл бұрын
Pretentious in tech community? No way!!
@Gregory.Pacheco
@Gregory.Pacheco 4 жыл бұрын
Griffin Cosgrove thanks to tech lead and Joma
@Jottra
@Jottra 4 жыл бұрын
Dw Nick you are a strong independent software engineer u don't need no FANG 😤
@christiansalas5061
@christiansalas5061 4 жыл бұрын
"You have to be the best or you're the worst" Holy, this is so true in my CS program. By no means helps the imposter syndrome.
@ninolindenberg4444
@ninolindenberg4444 4 жыл бұрын
Cs it is exqctly the meaning of the word "The Best". Only one can use "The". and being second means being the first loser. It is sad, but its true and your feeling will never change the fact 😉
@griffincosgrove8927
@griffincosgrove8927 4 жыл бұрын
needed to be said. thanks for sharing your perspective Nick
@focusblast1
@focusblast1 4 жыл бұрын
I used to be envious of one of my friends who's trying really hard to get into Google. I'm really really bad at coding, and I realized it while I was trying to 'Compete' with him. I've discovered what I love (Writing about Technology) after putting a lot of effort into thinking. Also, don't worry if you're bad at coding, there are plenty of jobs that you can do to make a good amount of money. Jobs are easy to get, but in hard times like these, relationships matter the most.
@sakshamjain6900
@sakshamjain6900 4 жыл бұрын
Being happy is much more important than being successful! Fact!
@sakshamjain6900
@sakshamjain6900 4 жыл бұрын
I was also going down the same path of being competitive and learning algo and data structures all day thanks nick for making me realise this
@gytzero
@gytzero 4 жыл бұрын
Good point
@hajji384
@hajji384 4 жыл бұрын
All I need is money don't care stress this pullshit going around sing me up dude
@hajji384
@hajji384 4 жыл бұрын
@@jdeep7 yes
@MrAconfee
@MrAconfee 4 жыл бұрын
I've had 4 jobs now: startups, FANG, and mid-size. Each place weirdly admired the other places, but they've all been essentially the same lol You can't really group them either. Some big companies are terrible and filled with ego, others aren't. Some small companies want to be big companies and are filled with ego, others aren't. The best place to be is the place that asks you to care about the things you already care about, and where you enjoy the people. It blows my mind that people who don't like academic CS interview at Google, and people who like product maturity work at startups, all for some sense of identity?
@mahdidi96
@mahdidi96 2 жыл бұрын
Good take dude!
@soledapper
@soledapper 4 жыл бұрын
2:03 r/cscareerquestions pretty much lol, every other post is someone bragging
@Hgh38
@Hgh38 3 жыл бұрын
They be like I worked at all FAANGS
@shalinsitwala
@shalinsitwala 4 жыл бұрын
"Being Happy Is More Important Than Being Successful"
@fahadm443
@fahadm443 4 жыл бұрын
You have to make a video about your experience with dealing with Corona. Im sorry you had to go through that.
@arkenser3534
@arkenser3534 4 жыл бұрын
Even if I am a very stressed person (still in college) I think that I will keep fangs as a goal bc I like having to try hard for a limited period of time in order to be much more chill after this experience by knowing that I will have many career outcomes that interest me. I think many ppl share this same mindset
@phungtruong6698
@phungtruong6698 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your perspective Nick
@firefly2008god
@firefly2008god 4 жыл бұрын
You spoke my heart out Nick... it can get really depressing sometimes if you only focus on getting those top jobs...
@soubarnobanerjee8257
@soubarnobanerjee8257 4 жыл бұрын
So Great!! I wish you were there beside me giving advice at stressful times. I may think of those big 4s someday later! But I'm quite happy with my coding games and coding platforms where we compete!! This video is awesome. Stressful minds come here
@MiketheCoder
@MiketheCoder 4 жыл бұрын
YOU PREACH THE TRUTH!
@kunal_chand
@kunal_chand 4 жыл бұрын
I follow both Nick & Mike !!!
@MiketheCoder
@MiketheCoder 4 жыл бұрын
@@kunal_chand hell yeah!! I'm not a huge channel though
@RetroEduardo
@RetroEduardo 4 жыл бұрын
I worked at amazon and yes, the workload in every field, from warehouse to IT field and engineering fields, are too much and chaotic, that it really made me view my career goals a bit different.
@XSTEVEN722X
@XSTEVEN722X 4 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%! It’s still a personal goal of mine to get into FANG and work their for a bit. You really gave me a different perspective, thanks man!
@PotatoMonkeys123
@PotatoMonkeys123 4 жыл бұрын
Tbf, most swe jobs/internships are pretty chill even at "top" companies. Of course, there are a few exceptions but you can easily avoid applying to the toxic companies that are notorious for overworking employees
@connerreimers6506
@connerreimers6506 4 жыл бұрын
Relate to every word you’re saying my man
@poojaguru2516
@poojaguru2516 4 жыл бұрын
Damn I really needed this!😭
@RhymesWithCarbon
@RhymesWithCarbon 4 жыл бұрын
Work-Life balance, man, it’s important. I probably gave up a bunch of money because I didn’t pursue big time stuff but I had a social life, played in bands, and slept at night. It was worth it.
@code_violeta
@code_violeta 4 жыл бұрын
You're really a reliable person, thank You so much for your effort. I hope you're happy rn, we all know you're doing your best. Stay health.
@Ivy-it3sb
@Ivy-it3sb 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know how the hell I got here, I have zero knowledge of programming but I feel like staying here. You're so damn chill n genuine.
@sangrambarge7081
@sangrambarge7081 4 жыл бұрын
One of the best channel and genuine person unlike Tech lead. Love and respect ✌🏻
@mcshakycheese7396
@mcshakycheese7396 4 жыл бұрын
Nick, I stumbled across your channel after seeing the hilarious Pair Programming video, and I thought I would contribute my thoughts / experience here. I think the issue you describe here begins even earlier than college graduation. Growing up, I had many high-achieving friends applying to prestigious schools for a variety of studies (engineering, aerospace, computer science). There was a stigma about "state schools," which was fostered by pressure from families comparing their kid's achievements to one another. That attitude is sometimes a learned behavior for people, and in college can foster in the pursuit of achievements for some kind of objective validation of skill/expertise. I think that the pursuit of these things can be great, as long as it is done in a healthy way. When it becomes obsessive and driven by guilt, jealousy, or constant peer comparison, that is when further reflection should kick-in. The reality that I hope people can take away here is that there are multiple ways to have a satisfying career in whatever field you choose. Your path does not have to be (or need to be) the same as your peers, and the pace at which you reach milestones can be your own. I graduated with a EE degree, and I had a lot of friends who were wayyyy smarter than me. It was easy to fall into the trap of comparing milestones, goals, etc and to become discouraged. I had some job opportunities to move away and go to prestigious companies that may have been resume builders, but I opted for a local outsourcing job that kept me in the industry and would prevent me having to move so far away from family. This was lesser pay, and lesser prestige, but I worked really hard in the role and ended up becoming a key player with the project and customer relationship. This came with promotions/pay bumps. There were challenges in this job that I overcame that had nothing to do with with technical aspects of the job... figuring out how to get people in separate departments to talk to one another more efficiently, adapting procedures to customer feedback to bring about a better quality result, etc. These things all felt rewarding to achieve. The main thing I have learned since graduation is that if you have an attitude of working hard and enjoy solving problems, you are going to find ways to apply that in any job you take. Learning to appreciate improvement for the sake of itself (even on things no one will ever see or recognize) can result in a vastly improved attitude / job-satisfaction. Side-Note that I am passionate about: get your finances/budget in order! It helps so much in decision-making. If you figure out the threshold that you can have a really happy lifestyle doing all the things you want to do (while saving for the future retirement), sometimes you'll find that more-money + more stress is not even worth it for your equation.
@mcshakycheese7396
@mcshakycheese7396 3 жыл бұрын
@risingStar No problem, hope it helped you in some way
@rengaisok
@rengaisok 3 жыл бұрын
I was very stressed for the past week about not being in one of these big companies and doing so well. I came to realise I am actually happier that many of them I know of working in big companies. You hit me hard. when you said "Being happy is more important than being successful" Thank you for this video.
@user-mu2qq3eb7t
@user-mu2qq3eb7t 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for insights.
@sikandarbakht2076
@sikandarbakht2076 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, dude! Thanks brother, btw where do you work at?
@susovanghosh6050
@susovanghosh6050 4 жыл бұрын
Woww man! You are just the right example of "a gush of fresh air"... I really respect dude like you. Thank you for everything!
@thepianist6425
@thepianist6425 4 жыл бұрын
I swear these videos are awesome dude. Go "sketch it squad" XD
@shnerdz
@shnerdz 4 жыл бұрын
the money attracts the prestige chasers, used to be investment banking now its this
@KILLERDOG416
@KILLERDOG416 4 жыл бұрын
Such a great message!
@soradev5386
@soradev5386 4 жыл бұрын
Thx, Nick I kinda needed this advice real talk.
@kevinzhang7228
@kevinzhang7228 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, it's important to maintain work-life balance, that's how you stay happy really
@anuragthakur5787
@anuragthakur5787 4 жыл бұрын
4:12 This happens to me daily in my college Man those guys don't even know what jokes are Even if they make jokes you have to fake that it was a good joke and when you make a dark joke everyone looks at you like you killed someone man
@jrparmar05
@jrparmar05 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff man! Love your contents. You mentioned ‘being happy is more imp than being successful’. However, we always interpret success the outer/money/career side. It is success inside and outside which makes you happy. Cheer!
@dev_with_me
@dev_with_me 4 жыл бұрын
More money usually means higher cost of living too. That plus the extra work, pretty much evens it out.
@RajatSingh-dg8ov
@RajatSingh-dg8ov 4 жыл бұрын
This is what youtube is for. Thanks, bro. But I'm gonna TRY if I can get in this year or not. If not, I am already comfortable with my Remote Job.
@RajatSingh-dg8ov
@RajatSingh-dg8ov 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick what is your LinkedIn buddy?. I couldn't find your profile from the description link.
@ILovE2TRicKShoT0nMW2
@ILovE2TRicKShoT0nMW2 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick(if you use anything) what do use to design your websites ideas before you start actually typing any code into your IDE
@nna5562
@nna5562 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Google interview in 2 weeks and I can relate to having to sacrifice social life and thinking about coding 24/7.. It's definitely stressful
@Randomisticful
@Randomisticful 2 жыл бұрын
how did it go?
@andrijadjuric4725
@andrijadjuric4725 4 жыл бұрын
My opinion is that the biggest prize on the road to get in these companies is not to actually get into these companies, however weird it sounds, but the practical knowledge of computer science and develeping your programming/analytic thinking. So getting into these companies is one of many good motivations for people to actually get into the world of computer science and business as well. Algorithmic and analytical thinking is key part of being a good engineer. Speaking for myself, i would love to try and see how it feels to be in these big companies, the work, organizations and so on. I think thats quite good experience if you would like to build startup and company on your own. I am a dreamer, yes, but i love the journey towards it i enjoy doing math and science problems, so i love doing these programming question on leetcode, codesignal etc. I also love working and developing projects and learning new stuff everyday. But thats just my plans and thinking, let me know what you guys think! :)
@SpitForge
@SpitForge 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, people completely dedicate their years of youth for a label on a resume. When you’re 80 and on your death bed will you think “damn I should have done more Leetcode” or “Damn I should have spent more time with that friend x and x”.
@pavelh756
@pavelh756 4 жыл бұрын
Every starting dev: "I don't want to work corporate job, I want to make an impact and be recognized" Also every starting dev: "I want to work at Facebook/Google/Amazon/Netflix"
@Mohib3
@Mohib3 4 жыл бұрын
So I just started my job with X consultancy as a software engineer(New grad), but ended up in a project where I am not doing development work. But honestly, I really want to get into one of the well known companies like FANG, just for the experience, I think I would learn a lot. But of course if the work is insane then I wouldn't stay there. Do people really spend 10 hours a day to study for those interviews?!
@RomasNoreika
@RomasNoreika 4 жыл бұрын
Loved the VIDEO Thanks Nick :) !
@kyleevangelisto
@kyleevangelisto 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your take. Im a cs major transferring out of a community college into a university and I think Im doing pretty well Ive only been programming for 2 years but alot of these other kids in my classes are all FANG and gotta get As and stuff. Im just an average student I just hope I get any CS job when I get done school. Good video man
@SC1240
@SC1240 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on, i felt this a ton in my classes where everyone cared more about bragging about what they know rather than actually doing stuff. Coding is fun and I'm blessed to have found it but that idea that we all should be mega hackers who understand every bit of software is really tiresome and dangerous. Young programmers see that and get turned off or burn themselves out when they can just chill and discover what they really enjoy doing. And some people love that competitiveness and want to work at FANG which is chill! But that's not for everyone
@spirit469
@spirit469 4 жыл бұрын
"Being happy is more important than being successful." Wise words
@xurify
@xurify 4 жыл бұрын
Nick White, truly the greatest
@Amanda-bg7ib
@Amanda-bg7ib 4 жыл бұрын
An interesting perspective that I think we all need to hear.
@mridulmishra8166
@mridulmishra8166 4 жыл бұрын
u took the internet by storm, by saying that.. alwz loved ur videos, audio songs and mentorship... :)
@MrPagnito
@MrPagnito 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, appreciate the common sense...do you guys use agile, if you do, what do you think about it?
@MuhammadAhsan-hq2bc
@MuhammadAhsan-hq2bc 4 жыл бұрын
Love this channel and your sense of humor
@juanelias1309
@juanelias1309 2 жыл бұрын
Entering my second year and I realized how much I was killing myself to get straight A’s. No balance, was taking its toll on me. Good video
@BarryMichaelDoyle
@BarryMichaelDoyle 4 жыл бұрын
I loved this rant, so very true. I used to aspire towards joining those companies. And don't get me wrong, I love what they've built, and I really enjoy visiting them. But the whole work life balance stuff is really important to me.
@eddiebreezy2169
@eddiebreezy2169 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@vastroy6307
@vastroy6307 4 жыл бұрын
Love the philosophy, your channel is so unique in the industry
@maamiimii
@maamiimii 4 жыл бұрын
Now I’m not going to say that striving for FANG jobs isn’t worth it but as someone who recently strived and succeeded at getting an offer (starting in a few weeks actually) I did have to sacrifice a lot of time and energy that I would have spent with friends/family and even messed up my GPA a bit last semester due to prioritizing job interview prep over everything else. Some of my friends disconnected from my main friend group and I wasn’t really aware until literally 2 months after, my sleeping pattern is all messed up and I’m kinda having trouble enjoying doing some of the stuff I did before hard focusing on interview prep tbh. Like I’m 100% in recovery mode rn due to how much it messed me up. I wouldn’t say that’s going to be everyone’s experience and the offers I got were really freaking good but if you’re really not that concerned with working FANG, prepping like you want to work there is faaaaaar from necessary
@User_Unknown_Anonymous
@User_Unknown_Anonymous 4 жыл бұрын
Nick seems very down to Earth. Nick's friends are lucky to have him as their friend!
@frankribery3362
@frankribery3362 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not happy that I saw this channel now...I'm sad I didn't see this channel before haha
@TheCuriousCurator-Hindi
@TheCuriousCurator-Hindi 4 жыл бұрын
You will get balance at startups. Lol. Big companies can give you balance as well. Secret of balance is being overqualified. That's one way to look at it.
@amrmoneer5881
@amrmoneer5881 3 жыл бұрын
"The difference is more hard work, more hours" i think u summed it up very well
@angelachen641
@angelachen641 3 жыл бұрын
Always try the best and take what you get.
@MegaSurya1992
@MegaSurya1992 4 жыл бұрын
That's a good point.. Don't judge people...
@chaosam
@chaosam 4 жыл бұрын
Silicon Valley is the new Wall Street, so it now attracts a lot of the same sorts of people who value prestige and high pay above all else. There's a very clear game that is played in getting into one of these (drill algorithms for interviews) so it's a low risk high reward endeavor that favors highly tedious/conscientious/prestige-oriented people. The biggest problems with these jobs are 1) homogeneous work force (young, white/Asian) and 2) the Bay Area is high living/housing cost so a huge chunk of the high salary is wasted. I do think Amazon and Microsoft have an advantage in this manner as they are in Seattle so you get most of the salary of SV with lower living costs. Microsoft also has older employees and work hours are closer to the typical 40 per week. That being said, a job is a job and there are way more important things than who employs you.
@dev_among_men
@dev_among_men 4 жыл бұрын
Money is not everything, thanks for reminding man 😊😊😊
@_gol_
@_gol_ 2 жыл бұрын
U are doing very good job by making these coding videos ! U are really spreading the good knowledge for free. So thankyou man !
@JamesBond-mq7pd
@JamesBond-mq7pd 4 жыл бұрын
Techlead : Fang or Bust! Joma Tech : dude this is why I burnout on my job
@anybody_y
@anybody_y 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Nick, this is a rather emotional vid of yours, for myself, because I didn't have a cs degree, and have managed to transition into software development career from an unrelated background, I see/use FAANG as a benchmark against my cs knowledge, and often I get so stressed about it, but I see it as a necessary evil to keep myself learning otherwise I wouldn't have been able to break into the industry from an unrelated background, imo. But yeah, I agree with you what is more important is to find the balance for yourself, and everyone has a different degree of balance, so don't compare yourself against others and keep learning/working at a pace you are most comfortable at.
@NickWhite
@NickWhite 4 жыл бұрын
You understood the message perfectly !
@louiebee4345
@louiebee4345 4 жыл бұрын
You got a good job plus you get enough free time to maintain a neat YT channel. That's winning
@curiouslycory
@curiouslycory 4 жыл бұрын
From everything I understand about working for FANG companies, they'd be a great place to work for a year or two right out of college, but they don't know anything about work/life balance... Unless work is life, in which case it's fine. I value my work/life balance, and will continue to work for companies that allow me to embrace that.
@ptreeful
@ptreeful Жыл бұрын
But in some way I understand what you mean. When I was learning at school I was motivated to have all high scores and was isolated from other children (by my parents), all that I was doing is learning a lot of stuff and I spent all my time with books. As I couldn't have any social life I've tried to be the best. And that worked, I've graduated from school with the highest scores and entered the most prestigious university and that was the best moments of my life, but I never had friends, I was bullied in school, everybody hated be, I couldn't even image to have a boyfriend and was in a deep depression about it. So, yes, if you have to choose between being a super-smart freak bragging that you work in Google and just living your one life, it's better to choose life. I didn't have that choice unfortunately. The thing is that after all that stuff I was trying to live normal life and was betrayed by my closest friend, by the man I loved, worked for non-prestigious company that just rewrite deprecated code and after that I thought what the f*ck! I'd better work for Google and spent my time for smth progressive. So, the medal has two sides, two sides...
@kumararab758
@kumararab758 4 жыл бұрын
What do you think about startups?
@adammomen5807
@adammomen5807 4 жыл бұрын
It actually depends on the character, if you have a dream, you feel joy when you are working on your dream.
@garrycotton7094
@garrycotton7094 4 жыл бұрын
I don't want to say this is false, because without context your sentiment obviously makes sense. However, something to watch out for is that kind of joy/happiness can be brittle. It's all sunshine and roses when things are going good and moving along but once you hit a low point everything comes crashing down. This is a big part of the reason why people who overwork are so prone to breakdowns.
@drawmaster77
@drawmaster77 3 жыл бұрын
I got "lucky" to get into fang, it's stressful and I am depressed... everybody is so competitive that they see you firstly as a stepping stone for their career growth. They are always probing for weaknesses, e.g. - Can they criticize your code in the review? Can they wrestle an opportunity from you? Can they stand out to leadership in your light? It is a very passive-aggressive environment. I usually find other FANG engineers to be very smug, aloof, and hard to have any normal conversation with. Compare that to other role, for example QA guys, they always seem down to earth and easy going. I made lots of friends with QA, never made friends with another engineer at my company.
@drawmaster77
@drawmaster77 3 жыл бұрын
@risingStar I think it's worth for 2-3 years to gain experience (yeah they are assholes but they are fucking smart - you're surrounded by Gilfoyles from Silicon Valley) and make some money - get all your RSUs vested, then best route is to start your own business/freelancing.
@drawmaster77
@drawmaster77 3 жыл бұрын
@risingStar restricted stocks, they get vested in around 3 years on average so it's a good chunk of cash
@rtl6832
@rtl6832 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, have to agree there. The fantasy of working for "FANG" like companies subsided in my early 20's
@idemchenko-js
@idemchenko-js 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, the older you get the more important your life becomes. Not your career, but your life. If you're young, no kids, no wife - go for it. it is a great start. In 4-5 years you'll earn enough in stocks to pay half of your mortgage. Maybe. But at least from my perspective, the older I get, the more I pay attention to the value I bring to the world. What am I gonna leave behind myself? What am I going to tell my kid about? For example, there's a startup in Berlin, they are building a search engine (seriously, these days?!) and they spend their earnings planting trees around the world. To me, this sounds like a good reason to join them. Google built a lot of tools that make life easier. So join Google if you can contribute to something meaningful. Anyway, I guess, the age will slow people down and those who were bragging about their "achievements" will calm down and understand that passing google interview is not the most important in their lives. They just need time.
@alvin117799
@alvin117799 4 жыл бұрын
That's a valid point
@supremoluminary
@supremoluminary 4 жыл бұрын
Google has washlet toilets, free sushi bar,. The desks go up and down electronically! How cool is that? Micro kitchen on every floor. Practice rooms with pianos. Gym with free towel service. One big downside of working at Google and Facebook is the bay area rents. Studio apartments are around $2000-$3500. You don’t have to abandon your other friends when working at Google. I had one of my friends come down and we boxed in a park in the Mountain view campus. Brought the dude a free box lunch from the cafeteria, too. Every company has hierarchical structures and company power struggles. I’ve seen it at Google, too. One of the really nice points to James Damore brought up about Google is that he thought it might make it more inclusive for women if the company were more collaborative and less hierarchical. That they could do things like more pair programming. I think I would like that, too. I actually worked directly below the manager for the angular JS library prior to his role there. And although it might seem like a high position, he’s not extremely intelligent, just a bit smarter than average and hard-working. Most of all, he is very rigid and how he wants things done, often badly, that’s gonna be seen by all of the problems caused by angular JS. It’s the type of rigid thinking that I have the most trouble with. People are hard-core and serious about programming I don’t mind if they’re serious about it. Probably because most people are more serious about it than I am, haha.
@alexong33
@alexong33 4 жыл бұрын
Damn Nick just speaks facts, not just in terms of CS
@mimino_codingbee4313
@mimino_codingbee4313 4 жыл бұрын
So what do u think a CS student should do for any kind of good software engineering job?
@smithcodes1243
@smithcodes1243 4 жыл бұрын
Nick has the same philosophy as me. Balance and happiness are more important than success. At the end of the day, I do not what to be a guy whose life achievement was just being a googler. There is so much to life than obsessing with these FANG shit.
@atachingadamadre
@atachingadamadre 3 жыл бұрын
Could I convert to a good paid programmer? I'm Mexican and studied Astronomy, so my coding isn't very professional like systems engineering but I'm interested to learn more about
@00DiamondBlack
@00DiamondBlack 4 жыл бұрын
"Your parents can brag about it" Yup, this sums it up
@mikul3122
@mikul3122 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah man I never mind if someone is capable and intelligent, but when you need to make it a point in everything you do to show that you are capable and intelligent, like it's consumed your mind, like every conversation needs to steer towards topics that show your accomplishments, I don't want anything to do with you, and those are the people obsessed with working at FANG (not all the time of course). Plus, that point about the massive workload is a serious one. Software development is already a decent mental load to take on, I'd say it's way better to take on a healthy amount of it, earn a healthy living, and be able to hold onto the other great parts of life as well.
@nospeednaf
@nospeednaf 4 жыл бұрын
Nick, when are you coming back with some fresh beats
@thehalchannel9036
@thehalchannel9036 4 жыл бұрын
Im glad Im not alone in this
@SinanAkkoyun
@SinanAkkoyun 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not a native english speaker but as I interpret it, I really like your meta humor or you are just as you are in front of the camera lol
@adityap8243
@adityap8243 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have always defined success as being 'happy in the moment', the day you cease to be happy, you cease to be successful.
@nicolaswolyniec1354
@nicolaswolyniec1354 4 жыл бұрын
In my case, I do leetcode problems because I like solve this kind of problems, it is my way to distract from my things.
@gabrielraphaelgarciamontoy1269
@gabrielraphaelgarciamontoy1269 4 жыл бұрын
Bro Google is literally the chilliest company to work at. It’s almost weird how little they make you work, compared to other companies I’ve worked at. It’s insane. I think people just think hard interviews = intense roles
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