Why I....Like The Forever Winter (Early access)

A rambling talk about why I like The Forever Winter but also some of the issues it suffers. The game is very fun in its current form and has a lot of potential but of course any title in early access can change significantly over time so if you prefer to keep your eye on it, remember to wishlist or follow on steam to see how the game develops over the comign months.
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[@corvaxblackfeather6529]

Played the game over 30 hours by now, loving every second of it. Sure has it's typical EA problems but let's be honest... we all agreed to that when we got the game as an EA title anyways ^^ I for myself wish FunDog that there dream of 'The Forever Winter' will come true.

[@RaMMsMaiDeN]

I waited all my Life for a Game with this setting, rough around the edges but the experience can only improve.

[@7h3m41n94m3]

One of the things I liked is that after playing and getting a feel for it and watching some vids desecribing the mechanics I realized that the A.I. isn't "stupid" when the enemy soliders look at it you and you have time to back away. I've ltierally had the "back away slow" and backed away behind a corner and they turned away and kept going where they going. It didn't feel, after that and a few other moments like it that the A.I. hadn't seen me. Instead it felt like a group of soliders saw a scav, had been heading towards combat and just was like "If you leave RIGHT NOW we never saw you." I get that from the question mark too, whenever that pops up. "Look we don't know what's there, but if its not one of ours we're killing it." And it's not that you're spotted, it's that every bullet they waste on you is a bullet that might have saved them from a borg, or a mech, or one of the heavy infrantries, whatever. It's a neat thing.

[@joseph1981]

@@7h3m41n94m3 honestly even if some of this behavior is just the product of a bug, i don't really mind it. This game already gives you a great sandbox to rp in, and i love creating narratives in games like this.

[@mariut00]

I have had this same feeling looming over whenever I play, glad to know I'm just not hallucinating and that it could be an actual thing instead of "haha ai dumb"

[@7h3m41n94m3]

@@mariut00 there's a video by Riloe that goes over some of it. The ecosystem of war or some such. It's a good watch and actually helpful to boot.

[@knockedgoose4206]

Give it whatever reason you want. It's a boring approach to AI.

[@7h3m41n94m3]

@@knockedgoose4206 and that's a fine opinion to have. Considering the alternative is instant death the moment spotted, going from a meaningless scav in a battlefield that's not your fight to a spec ops stealth game this would change the point of the game and what the developers have out right called "combat voyeurism".

[@AntiAntagonist]

I wish the HK mechanic was split up a bit. That most scavenging triggers would be responded to by rival scavengers (they want your new shiny stuff), while some are related to factions (kill a VIP means a special operations squad is tasked with ending you), and the rest can be situational (depending on the mission type, location, etc). Also the HK squads should be more indicative of the faction that is fielding them. This gives variety with what you're contending with, and gives more texture to the different factions. Eurasians with specialized cyborgs, Europans with small helicopters that drop off the spec ops team (and to act as a spotter), Euruskan organic nightmares, etc.

[@pannik_lucas]

I have been thinking. Rather than having the magic trigger of enemies just knowing you picked up water, an immersive fix to that omniscience would be having enemies in the vecinity of the one player who looted something so valuable, and cause such reaction. Including the potential of Recon drones or cyborgs, but maybe that would be more of a nuisance or a chore than a threat. "You gotta kill or lure away that thing or you get Hunter Killers called on you". Finally, even if nobody has seen you picking up the valuable item, if the place is sufficiently transited, a late alarm can be inevitable. Edit: I know enemies already get aggro from watching th player loot, but I'm not sure if that's valid for mission objectives

[@joseph1981]

48 minutes talking about the game im addicted to? Babe wake up, peak just dropped 🍿

[@SirAroace]

Europa: great resources and industry, but lacks tech and manpower --- Eurasia: great biotech and manpower, but lacks resources and production --- Euruska: advanced biotechnology, but lack most other things.

[@mrrichard5493]

Europa doesn't lack manpower it has the most troops out of the other factions. It conscripts its population to fight it the war. But everything else is correct.

[@networknomad5600]

@@mrrichard5493It doesn’t help that there are FW wikis out there with conflicting info.

[@PaganPilot]

Europa does not have population of Eurasia but isnt lack manpower as they fighting a defensive war so home-filed advantage iirc

[@spacewalrus909]

So basically Europa: mostly normal people, Eurasia: anime schizo-cyborgs, Euruska: adeptus mechanicus.

[@indigenoussober407]

Cries in Kraut Space Magic

[@TheMrDewil]

In one of the trailers they said that this takes place on the west coast. LA is on the west coast. Maybe the name was changed to Lost Angels when it became big enough, as they do refer to it as "macro city". As for this ingame encyclopedia with voiceover. I think it's a splendid idea, especially if voiceover will be the same as in gameplay overview trailer.

[@elgringofeo9348]

Apparently the city spanned across the country

[@etholus1000]

It’s a very rough diamond of a game, but so far one I can sink dozens of hours into. I can’t wait to see how far they take this game

[@Hylebos75]

Dozens is just barely settling in

[@Perktube1]

If my base is using water while I'm offline, then there should be npc scavs looting and replenishing water while I'm offline.😉

[@etholus1000]

Maybe you can hire some in future updates

[@herofx2881]

Water is no problem at all

[@herofx2881]

But I get your point or something like in tarkov like a generator turn on and off

[@elgringofeo9348]

Id rather have a ingame day night system where you can go a few times a day to find water and then the day passes, they could also add random events to the innards like passing traders other scavs asking for help or lending help, they def should make water alot more rare, right now its too ez to and idk if the water doesnt drain or it automatically refills from the stash but i already got 130 in stash and havent had to manually transfer it in

[@TheHawkeye0725]

It’s a unique take that’ll probably be even better the longer it’s supported

[@keetongu9511]

Regarding the shooting. I feel like the intent is to play the lighter classes for the most part, but you will stock up on ammo, meds and heavy weaponry. This invites you to go guns blazing once in a while to use up all those fun toys the lighter classes can't use.

[@trumalicee5061]

Yeah that’s what I did I mained scav girl for a while then just swapped over to mask man hella fun rn I still prefer scab bro, though the speed just really helps when you’re in those tough situations

[@elgringofeo9348]

I mained bag man and wipes maps, i hope yhey add mechanics to cap ammo and healing, like maybe a mag system but you can't load the mags in game so you have to find them on enemies or loot boxes so having a common gun is weaker but have a better chance to replenish while big guns run out quick, it makes you a badass for a brief moment, also med animations can help you not tank shots

[@brutalchaos92]

I've never really had a "feel bad" death. I've been hit by The Dog at full speed like a freight train but I wasn't pissed like other extraction shooters

[@elgringofeo9348]

You can sometimes stun it or shoo it away by shotting it, i felt so badass with bagman and a m60 keeping it at bay while the team ran for the hills

[@xon0930]

So far the only "feel bad" death I've had was when I was extracting from a solo scrap nexus run. I was doing fine killing the waves of cyborgs at the timed extraction, had about 15 seconds left on the timer, and then I suddenly got shot by some kind of tank cannon or something. I couldn't even see what shot me, as it shot from behind the wrecked mech at the other end of the hallway, but the first shot chunked my HP and stunned me for the follow-up shot, which killed me. Was a really shit way to go as it was at the very end of extraction after a whole run, and I've never even seen anything heavier than infantry on that map before or since. I still don't even know what killed me then.

[@Smokestacktics]

​@xon0930 was an eruskan heavy with nade launcher. Probably the most lethal infantry in the game. Getting caught on terrain while hopping in place and spinning in circles feels bad and rifle scopes, especially the at rifles are the first fixes the game needs to really get it moving.

[@xon0930]

@@Smokestacktics Oh, I've never seen infantry with grenade launchers before. Good to know they exist I guess. Yeah, there's a ton of jank in the game that needs to be smoothed out. A lot of the character movement is awkward, and it's wa;y too easy to get caught on nothing.

[@jakubkvacala1880]

1 thing i really like is you are always one slipup away from dying, later on you can make bigger mistakes, and are less likely to make them, but always there are things much bigger than you, bdw AI companions are usless, if not dangerous

[@Sorain1]

I've basically only found value in having them hold the extraction on Scrap Nexus. But there might be some value in the Mule if you parked it on the start area, filled it up and then extracted. (Since it doesn't need to follow you to extract to bring the loot back.

[@jakubkvacala1880]

@@Sorain1 if the mule could be told to follow you closely, and unarmed it would be gut

[@elgringofeo9348]

Be cool for the mule to avoid ai, be faster, smaller for less collision and maybe you could command it to pin an enemie like dog meat in fo4

[@PixxxelWizard]

I got called a fanboy because I said I was having fun playing this. Like bro that false dichotomy bullshit is so tired. Everybody has opinions on the water system, well here's mine: it should not drop in real time and it should be more punishing than it is outside of that realtime degradation. It's my belief that water should not be awarded by quests, because WE are supposed to be the water supply for THEM. Water should have to be gathered. And on top of that, if the water spawns in missions were reduced by half there would STILL be plenty of water to gather. Other than the AI and terrain issues, the itemization/weapon balance needs a huge pass, even before they introduce new weapons (perhaps we'll get both of those events to happen at the same time with a big update in the future?). Weapons are using the wrong ammo, scopes are bad, none of the accessories barely have any info about them and the whole Innards UI needs a major overhaul for functionality. And yet I'm still having fun. The atmosphere, the close calls, the epic "combat voyeurism," the fucked up lore, the OST, it's all such an amazing vibe. These devs have passion and talent and this game is something special. The way the game is now is the worst it's ever gonna be.

[@clownofwar]

I like the idea from mister mugsy that water can be used as a advanced currency on a black market or even underground gambling with the same gacha system the gacha boxes run on. In general im not against a harder water play but i do agree something needs to be added to it.

[@spiralvex2686]

I disagree about the no water from quests thing. Maybe the scavs don't give water, but the bug factions should absolutely be able to bribe you with water for doing their grunt work for them.

[@PixxxelWizard]

@@spiralvex2686 That is absolutely a fair point. I feel that water is too plentiful but to eliminate it as a quest reward entirely might be too far. Like, the first time you do one, sure, (and add more quests) but after that, it simply has to be less, esp. if the IRL time is removed. If only some quests give water people will complain those are the only quests. It ends up being a challenge to balance.

[@SSZaris]

Same bro but I'm the opposite. I got called a hater because I mention some of the shortcomings. I still have nearly 80 hours in the game lol I obviously enjoy it 😅

[@joseph1981]

@@SSZaris the community is crazy reactive to each other's opinions and mega polarized, so i'm not surprised. But hell, i can't count the number of problems the game has on both hands, but im still finding myself donating my entire stash and burning my creds just so i have an excuse to grind again. The game is full of problems, but truly unique, and even if it doesn't change much going forward, its definitely something I'll revisit time and again regardless of how many people play it

[@Cyberdemon-9001]

So, I love to actually grab 1000 rounds of ammo and just going ham. Or, snagging a rifle and a pistol and "picking targets" for cinematic purposes. Other times, I'll snag the surplus guns and see what I can find. Game allows for what ever head cannon u want. It's why it has grabbed me so hard. Even though the game feels light on content for now. Really excited for what the devs have cooking. Hope to see Europa with more horror style equipment appearing. Lime old ai driven war machines Goin insane.

[@donk8961]

Bagman Painless Grenade launcher T H E R A C K 8 20mm turrets I am that guy the devs cannot stop me

[@victorsaboski7429]

As a fellow BagMain I feel the same, just prefer the pack mule because I'm a loot maniac

[@dizzydalek1627]

Skav Girl, RPK, KV45, enhanced gunrunner. I'm definitely not that guy. :)

[@userbosco]

You were the first channel I started tracking on the pre-pre release and really enjoy your uploads and commentary. My first reaction to watching your game play was that is reminded me of GTFO mashed with Fury Road (the movie), and of course, Tarkov. At times, the darkness in these maps is almost disturbing.

[@twodaves9480]

I like a lot of things about this game so far. But what I’m falling in love with is the atmosphere, it’s absolutely beautifully executed. The soundtrack is also brilliant and I’ll be buying the upgrade to get it. They have done so much, so well. I’m very hopeful for where this game could go.

[@Paul-cu9lu]

The key to the water system is the quest system. You can stack missions pretty easily, such as killing cyborgs, killing Eurasian units, collecting cyborg parts. Those 3 missions can be done at the same time and nets you 3-5 days of water in addition to rep and loot. Another aspect of the water system is that once you hit your cap, all water rewards from quests are converted into barrels in your stash.

[@arthurguillermo]

great vid. game is tense and chaotic. would love to find more lore and insight on this world.

[@StanleyPain]

I don't normally like games like this but I really like this one mainly because the atmosphere is so damn good

[@Archer_A99]

Why I hate the water system as it's currently implemented is because it being an IRL timer feels like some mobile/live service chore nonsense needlessly grafted onto the experience to exploit people's anxiety towards even the suggestion of FOMO. I'm tired of games trying to make you feel like it's a 9 to 5 obligation where """neglect""" is punished regardless of how easy it is to manage once you get the hang of the game.

[@Fokkusu]

man since watching this game's release, how tarkov Pve works, and my experiences with Dark and Darker, I'm honestly really exited about the future of this game, and I hope more games go in this direction be it through a gamemode like tarkov, or like this game being entirely playable offline by yourself or P2P coop, I am getting this game 100000% later this year when I can afford to splurge in games, thanks you for the amazing video.

[@Diarmuhnd]

Indeed, I'm really enjoying it. The Forever Winter is a solid early access game set in a grim future world with amazing art! *Have fun Critical Rocket and chat* ^^ !

[@HaplessOne]

I've honestly never loved and hated a game so much in my life. There's a lot of bs and jank, but the atmosphere and feel of the game is unmatched imo. Im absolutely addicted even though the game pisses me off in a lot of ways.

[@SpanerDullar]

As for the visual style of the world, a huge - if not the biggest influence seems to be Beksinski with a touch of the movie Mad God (a fantastic and stunning movie btw)

[@ArchonSG1]

Part of the problem is they do have immortal enemies that you can't kill and the respawn for certain enemies are instantaneous especially if they are location triggered (you pass or stay in a certain area and that triggers the spawn) endless horde that you can see "teleport" into the map that you can see as they appear out of thin air removes a lot of the immersion.

[@CriticalRocket]

The pop in spawns are annoying on some maps yeah like Scorched having enemies spawning quite close to the cliffs extract or how Ashen mesa always has some enemies just appear near the chain extract. Feedback will likely help dial in the right spawning logic and balance there.

[@mofo78536]

It be interesting if there was a combat journalist mode or campaign as well. Maybe it be a multiplayer mechanic, where you try to take photo of other scavs for a piece on scavengers in either side. Imagine traveling between the land interviewing both sides and trying not to die in the crossfire. This can still somewhat work, by robots having the ability to not shoot you if they detect you flashing your journalism badge (As long as you have kept your badge up to date with different factions) so factional reputation is important as well (Cover one side too much and you will get shot as a spy).

[@Dieci-9]

I really like this game. As early of a state as it's in, I've already played it for a ton of hours, so much so, my water tank is full and I've got more than another 50+ days of water stocked and I usually don't even take up water tanks. So far, I've been focusing on prestiging Shaman, Mask Man and Bag Man to see how they're affected by it, especially Bag Man in terms of speed since he's big and very slow at the start. I love that every run I feel I'm on a tightrope. Even knowing the map and having a general idea of enemy spawns and behavior, I'm always one mistake from death. Just me not noticing a patrol coming a bit too close or getting a little too greedy and overconfident is enough to find myself with my back against a wall and a dozen gun firing on my rig. I like that everything is valuable and some rig equipments are very strong but take up valuable space that might be better used to bring back a lockbox. I have some ideas I'd like to present in the Steam forums and, while I'm sure some are already being thought by the devs and some are going to be ignored, I like the feel that I'm in a phase of the game where my feedback, and that of the other scavs, might help make the game better (not easier and not necessarily more casual-friendly but even more entertaining without distancing away from the premise).

[@davidrossi5096]

The hunter killers always come after me on Ashen Mesa if I grab a PDA or an Officer’s Laptop. Makes perfect sense to me but I do also notice them coming hard at me when my loot is nearly at capacity haha. Still love everything about the game haha

[@thepyrokitten]

I have a ton of issues with the game. However, my only major issues are: 1. Movement feels clunky and slow. Even with the 'fast, stealth' character. 2. Enemy AI is absolutely WILD. What the devs SAY the AI is supposed to do is RARELY what happens. This is partially due to pathing, partially due to infinite spawns, partially due to stealth/detection not working. #1 is 'easy' to fix. In a game based on skill and patience I need my character to do what I say. #2 is hard because the issue is compounded by so many others. Given that it's the main selling point of the game, this *really* needs fixed and I can't recommend anyone play until many more of these wrinkles get ironed out. If both of these issues are fixed, I'd recommend the game for full price.

[@bearwolffish]

Really enjoying this game it's Tarkov vibes, but with solo Stalker vibes that the Stalker fans didn't get when Tarkov came out. 29:40 Yea aside from shoulder swap, this is my biggest nitpick. Hoping AI can be smoothed out as a priority, and be set to patrol, rather than just stand around or skip back and forth in the small stretch you need to go through.

[@Alpha23TV]

That iron sight/scope is more than useless. No competent weapons manufacturers would produce something so dysfunctional on purpose…

[@IrnMaiden304]

Watching a stream earlier, 8 enemies stepped right out like 10 ft from the player and they didn't even take notice, there was no fighting going on either .... Star Wars A.I. except for they actually hit you 😆. They get soo close it's like they shoulder check you as they run by, take 10 paces after ... Turn and fire, I watched a couple of streams and that was the only time I seen it like that, probably cause that player was the only one who wasn't paying as close of attention to the environment. I'm still very interested in the game and may just try it for myself, it's EA so obviously there's work to be done yet.

[@nuxc924]

Euraska are the Baltic States and Africa, their role is mostly support and special operations

[@tallfungus]

Love the content bro🫶🏼

[@CriticalRocket]

Thanks :)

[@Joel_Inosin]

I actually think the HP on the cyborgs are about right and actually still fits what you're looking for; the issue is their speed in my opinion. They're basically zombies, so a more zombie like demeanor (in a game with more variety than just that archtype) is probably more fitting for both the setting and the gameplay. Actually hate the pathing yeah. They need much longer patrols that's also not just them going in a straight line.

[@VTsimpingSan]

Idk bro, I've mowed down thousands of Eurasian Cyborgs and they still have plenty lol

[@slc9800gtx]

This game looks sooooooo interesting. Looks to be realy nerve racking and suspenseful. everytime I see game play, it makes me want to buy it. So I guess today is the day to purchase it.

[@waterbears9874]

Idk if I just haven’t seen the model in game, but I was under the impression the corpses on the corpse tank were artificial/fake corpses meant to conceal it from the mothers

[@aceaviator2175]

They're trophies from tank crews kills

[@waterbears9874]

@@aceaviator2175 id think that too if the corpses just didn’t seem artificial, at least from the model I saw in riloes video

[@Arjunvandemataram]

Yes, the game needs some polishing, but holy balls I love the game already !! rarely happens I get so hooked up on a game like this 😅

[@Semiba]

I fully agree with pretty much everything you said.

[@Beatle1283]

Game seems like very interesting take on extraction shooters... but for now it looks more like proof of concept than anything playable.

[@MaximilianBrandt]

Also there's no armor in the game. Just plain health. Which means auto shotguns rip and tear through anything

[@plasmabat718]

I just got killed because in the middle of a firefight the game decided to lag the fuck out, like 3 fps I think I'm done playing for now and I'll come back in a few months when the game is actually functioning lol I'm not going to refund though, I want this game to be good and I hope my bit of money helps them do that

[@JohnDoe-cy8ij]

Eurasia is a whole continent away. It’s not easy to transport soldiers a whole world away, so they recycle wounded soldiers into cyborgs.

[@Zurn187]

I LOVE the Foreever Winter and lore / art is just a jewel! NGL i wish the game was more difficult in general. finding water and making money is a joke atm sadly you lose the bad feeling of losing everything (with the water mechanic) when you start playing in 1-2h of playing cause you litterally drown in water. i dunno if its was more scarce before but atm its too ez i love the game and i hope they dont listen to ppl wanting the game to get EZ but 90% of player base will ask for it sadly

[@CriticalRocket]

I wouldn't mind tougher missions when they get the AI refined more so you can properly stealth around them and not have to worry about goldfish movement patterns of squads and the like. That would be pretty fun and make having to fight even more risky.

[@yogsothoth6059]

the worst thing is the missing shoulder swap option,,, its missing,, so i usually dont attack from a cover or wall that leads to the right,,, this missing option makes you allways run counterclockwise,.,, that sucks..

[@Triforcebro]

I am liking the game so far but I wish there was a muliplayer hub or match up so i can play with others.

[@gmananimations]

I've found the game to be really fun so far 15+ hours.

[@fragelius]

HK can be triggered by in my experience by, certain q item, certain item x times, rig being like +90kg full of items

[@CriticalRocket]

Also apparently Ashen Mesa triggers too early due to a bug with looting spawning them too soon.

[@scottgust9709]

Forever Winter is not a game yet, its a pre alpha tech demo, so hyping it up really doesnt help anyone. Its a solid 6months from being enjoyable

[@zeburgerkang]

someone made a rundown of the enemies in the game on YT.

[@Electric-Boogalo]

I ❤️it. Need a better vid card. 😔

[@xXBRANCOREXx]

Are people forgetting Gears Of War? The running mechanics/steering from GOW is basically the same thing in TFW.

[@CriticalRocket]

That's what it is, I knew it reminded me of something but I was never going to remember that without you mentioning it. Yes it is exactly that type of movement.

[@raphk9599]

Some map you get stuck on terrain? It's every map,.regularly.

[@MaximilianBrandt]

There are "Semi" sci fi guns. Like the madbubbad MG34 and madbubbad MG42 which was modified to fire .50 BMG. Shame there's no more of theese scrappy guns.

[@duckman12569]

Plugging half a dozen rounds of 308 into a cyborgs dome.. somewhat annoying.

[@davewills148]

Got the game cheap yet cant play it, the yet sight of that stupid rack on his back is hideous, and the trudging sounds are annoying. But it is immersive and has mods, one to watch

[@Hurbieo]

Its kind of fun it's probably gonna go to shit when it becomes a pvp game. Tho I would like to see a game in the genre that ignores pvp and makes a proper game instead.

[@PaganPilot]

I have little to no interest in extraction shooters. A genre perfect for the world, themes and atmosphere the developers are trying to present. All the more ironic as I love those too, just not the genre.

[@Neyreyan]

Game is literaly a crap filed toilet in a fancy restaurant. You are literaly scammed if you buy it now 😂 the game is 3 years away from being finished but the curent state is unplayable. I had to refund it because its not playable but people gave it positive reviews

[@Doomblade3890]

Well those people enjoyed the game. I’ve sunken at least 20 hours by now and still enjoy playing. Yes the game has massive jank but it’s still enjoyable for a lot of people. Others like you want it to be polished more first before giving it a go and thats fine too, but it’s far from being a scam (thats Tarkov’s thing).

[@rickybuhl3176]

£25 is fine but when we effectively need 100x that worth of PC to run it close to 'as intended'- it's kiiinda not particularly relevant that it's at a "low entry point" as such. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the gameplay and the anti-shooter approach but I get better frames playing Streets of Tarkov in 4k than I do this at 1080, granted Tarkov is probably 8 years ahead in terms of dev time, so mustn't grumble but by the Gods, nobody ever claimed Tarkov was optimised either. I'd really appreciate a Tarkov-style key binding system; with press, release and continuous options along with the 2 key combos to avoid things like jumping when we want to vault. My personal tip is CTRL+Left or Right (A or D) when we need to get a sudden move on, it darts us one way or the other and helps avoid any staggering effect or that ultra slow start we sometimes get. Cyborgs going down to one shot would be a bit off imo, since fleshy humans don't always, a future metal man shouldn't either but a headshot tends to end them just fine. Water - it's single player, make it tied to a difficulty since plenty of us really don't want the casual approach and some do.

[@giorgospsixramis3400]

its EA what do you expect

[@Isaac_clark]

The people whining about the water system are actually getting really annoying. I’m already at 30 days of water supply. It’s not hard at all, it gives you a reason to hop back into the game rather than get your high off of it for a couple weeks and you ditch it, and if you don’t even play that’s often anyways then you don’t have to worry about it stash anyways since you don’t play enough to build a stash enough to preserve. Just babies. The devs purposely said it’s a hardcore game for a reason. Same as dayz, escape from tarkov, rust etc. just stop whining.

[@Giziolman]

EURUSKA and EURASIA are not allied :) they fight each other with the same ferocity as they fight EUROPA

[@jakubkvacala1880]

They are allies, and no they dont fight each other

[@tarantulathree-one8013]

Explain why I was getting chased down by Eurasian Cyborgs while Euruskan Infantry were gunning me down? There weren't any Europan in sight, by that logic they should be shooting each other?

[@Sorain1]

Mechanically not true at the moment. Never been true that I'm aware of.

[@hypercritical6123]

They are only "technically" allies, this is due to long range communications breakdown and other regional factors.

[@deanoe9373]

CDKEYS selling for £15/$20 just FYI