Why I'm an Atheist

TRIGGER WARNING If you're religious, and don't like being told you might be wrong about your beliefs, don't watch this video.
My lack of belief in a deity has defined my adult life in many ways. It's central to my self identity and is something I hold very dear. I see my atheism as a direct extension of my co-dependent belief that reason is the best compass for a meaningful life. I've made and lost friends over this belief. Here I explain why I am an Atheist.

[@brianbrown3328]

Why am I an atheist? I was born that way and have been given no reason to change.

[@2fast2block]

Because you are too stooo-pid to see reason to change. It's easier for you to not think much at all. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

This is broadly how it should be. The childhood indoctrination into religion that happens to so many children is one of the great injustices of the world.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective look how afraid you are to tackle what I gave. You're a joke.

[@devin5312]

I'm atheist bc I choose to live in reality instead of a fantasy world

[@mikevargas809]

Nice work. I remember as a young kid thinking, these stories don't make sense at Sunday school. The bible just doesn't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks watching and taking the time to comment. I'm glad you found something you felt was worth watching 😊

[@shldnp.268]

You know they don't make sense? Satan is trapping your body and brains you can't see it. It takes the work of the Holy Spirit to illuminate the darkness. But first you have to be drawn in by By His Heavenly Father. If that doesn't happen you will stay in the darkness. You are zombie. GOD sees Satan children as dead. But they can be revived by the Jesus, When the Holy Spirit shows us the things of Christ Jesus and makes them real.

[@mikevargas809]

@@shldnp.268 I'm pretty sure it is you that is the zombie dude. Ain't no God or Satan. Do some research.

[@shldnp.268]

@@mikevargas809 Lawyers who have had the same mind as you. Found out Christ Jesus was and is real.

[@shldnp.268]

@@mikevargas809 How do you propose to study. I took Jesus at His words and He's my Savior, God, and Lord. He lives in His own by the Holy Spirit.

[@brynpookc1127]

Lifelong atheist, now 70 years old. Refreshing, intelligent talk that I greatly enjoyed. Very positive attitude, no bullying, just statement of your position. I was brought up in the Southern Baptist Church, but it all just seemed silly to me. I could quote the scriptures and pretend the behaviors automatically. It is so nice to hear someone simply speaking sense and reason. I’ll be back to visit again!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thank you for checking out the video, and for leaving your comment. Welcome to the discourse!

[@hellohandsome9875]

UK here, I've got two more yrs on you, but just the same, a guy walked on water? Yeh, of course he did

[@patbrennan6572]

Should Santa Claus be considered a god? After all, many of us believed in him.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Flying Spaghetti monster for the win! Thanks for checking out the channel :-)

[@carlosalenduran4630]

I'm an atheist too since I was 7 years old and proud of it

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for checking out the channel!

[@carlosalenduran4630]

@@TheDiscourseCollective okay

[@carlosalenduran4630]

@@lepidoptera9337 absolutely

[@carlosalenduran4630]

@Red Apple you don't need evidence to be an atheist. But I do need evidence to believe what I cannot see. They were dinosaurs who made the dinosaurs? There's aliens extraterrestrial life I seen them I believe in them that's where I came from. Did you know that we're not from here humanity is not from planet Earth. I only believe what I see otherwise I'm not believing.

[@akgamer1825]

If there is a god and they are good, they couldn't be offended that you didn't realize they existed when they have basically been playing hide and seek for millions of years. If there is a god and they are bad, they will probably send us all to hell anyway, so there's no point in following them. If there is no god, then we should live life to the fullest, knowing it's the only one we're getting.

[@torontoash45]

sounds like a reasonable excuse for brainless people

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@torontoash45 lol

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Seems like a good way to put it. Thanks for checking out the channel 👍

[@reuteratwork8983]

@@torontoash45 - You mean the brainless people that need a religion to tell them what to do, because they can't think for themselves? Yeah, that's sad...

[@ashley_brown6106]

@@torontoash45 doesn't your religion require you to love others like yourself? Didn't Jesus say to not judge others?? You hypocrite! You don't get to call others brainless and then go and pray to your imaginary god. Hell awaits🤣🤣

[@ahmedhishamitshii]

Keep up the good work. Cheers from Egypt. Subscribed, liked and shared. 👏

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for the support; really glad you enjoyed the video 👍

[@2fast2block]

This was horrible work. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@martinlanders]

Brilliantly delivered ... a breath of fresh air , thank you 😊

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

That's kind of you, I'm so glad to enjoyed the episode and hope you like our new content.

[@2fast2block]

No, it was much more like bowel gas. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@paulevans6947]

Thank you so much for your presentation. I found it very helpful and inspiring. Former protestant minister (retired) Atheist.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

The amputee example was fantastic

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks - it's a mystery to me why more religious folks don't see that they get exactly the same experience as atheists or other theists. There is a complete lack of the supernatural in everything get the insist it's there. Thanks for taking the time to check out the channel.

[@michaelbell3181]

Just found your channel, and love it.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Glad you enjoy it! It means to the world to know people dig the content we create.

[@nativeatheist6422]

😃

[@tylerjordanguitar]

Thanks for sharing that. As someone who has recently been De converted I love the simplicity of your statements without getting bogged down with heavy arguments. And yes I agree, I believe I would have been better without religion. I am just starting to realize what life is like without it and my life is already halfway over. But there is a liberation that has taken place.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

It means a lot you stopped by and watched the video Tyler, thanks for adding your thoughts. Faith is such a difficult subject to talk about, because it's so personal. I hope your own personal journey is as pain free as possible and that your life becomes a better place for you and ones you love from your liberation.

[@shamimmohamed1584]

Ur ignorent for not believe in ur religion u don't believe in faith

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@jordanaichholz6166]

I was sexually abused in the baptist church for 3 years. Didn't even find out until I had sex ed class in 8th grade. Despite the fact... I remained a Christian and rep for many years. Thinking it was a fluke. Then I moved to the south and got a taste of the Christian security state. They exposed me for my gayish masturbation habits... Labeled me a F4g... And in their terms a demon filled pervert-pedo. I was chased out of TN by extremists that wanted to kill me. Then harassed in Florida because they made contact with my aunt's church. Best part is... I'm not even gay. I took a lot of time and maturity to figure that out. So these people have harassed and bullied me for 5 years... For a stupid sex act... I was forced to learn to like... By a preacher. How Ironic? Church going christians have become a hate filled cult and deserve to be Rico acted. The sad part is... The normal majority of christians don't realize how evil many of the churches are. That they use espionage to fake miracles (or punish sinners) in the name of religious strength conditioning. Which is legal... Only because you signed the vague release form and gave them power of attorney. They stalk and harass people. Then if you try to get help. The cops and health professionals in town play dumb... Or act like you are crazy. Because many of them are members of the same church cult. Especially in the south. There is so much corruption and hate that I want nothing to do with these types of people. A real christian loves everybody... walks in peace... And leads by example. Not by force, hate, and slander. All they care about is social status, money, and power. Then. In their security state... The elders are doing everything they judge you for. With the excuse... "Well I know God so I am forgiven" it's all a sick joke.

[@hellohandsome9875]

@@shamimmohamed1584 are you forgetting that you were born an atheist? You had your religion drummed into you almost from birth,,,, you don't believe, you're brainwashed to the point that you can't think for yourself

[@chameleonrat9627]

Brilliant video!! Keep up the good work!! Cheers from Singapore!!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks so much for the encouragement and comments (and for checking out the channel).

[@2fast2block]

What was the "good work"? Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@Skymannot6939]

Thank you, I like your simplified version.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for checking out the video, and for taking the time to comment 😊. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@georgecurtis6463]

As long back as I can remember, the whole religion thing made no sense to me. Much later I found that I'm what they call an atheist. So it's that simple, makes no sense=atheist. Nothing has ever made me question my thoughts.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Well put. Thanks very much for taking the time to comment and for watching the video 👍.

[@ruperterskin2117]

Right on. Thanks for sharing.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching and checking out the channel.

[@kurtmohnsam7588]

Wow, just stumbled across this, but dude is right.

[@BlackSun3Tube]

I'm quite exactly on the same line, for every argument you lighted up here.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for stopping by and letting us know your thoughts.

[@guthrie_the_wizard]

Solid points - thanks for sharing!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for being part of it! Appreciate your time in watching and commenting.

[@torontoash45]

Solid points seriously more like flimsy points

[@reuteratwork8983]

@@torontoash45 - That's all you've got, huh -- SAD...

[@2fast2block]

Stooo-pid points. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@fidenful]

Yes, I agree, I am an Atheist for all those same reasons, plus one: to think of myself as a Christian would make me feel as an arrogant, ignorant ass.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Glad you enjoyed the video; thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts, making the Discourse that bit more complete 👍

[@josephthomasjr.6551]

Thank you VERY much for that, my friend. I, too, am an atheist. Born and bred in the United States. My country, as you know, is alarmingly theist. And there are some Americans who actually believe that atheist worship the Devil. My response to such thoroughgoing nonsense has always been "why on Earth would I want to worship something that I don't believe exists?". Being a member of The Rational Minority isn't easy. But it IS necessary. And as Shakespeare wrote centuries ago: "to thy own self be true". Thank you again! And enjoy your weekend.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks so much for your positive message, and it so happens to agree with my viewpoint, but that's secondary! I know that it's harder being atheist in the USA, and I hope to get a better understanding of the religious situation there in time. I hope you have a fantastic weekend too. Thanks for adding your input :-)

[@torontoash45]

You sound very proud of the fact that you are an Atheist ,but like most Atheist don´t have concrete evidence to support your claims and rely too heavily on Materialist philosphy and science to make your case

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Are you a theist, Bee? If so, I'd be careful using phrases like "concrete evidence to support your claims"! I'm honestly not sure it's even possible to rely too heavily on science. It kind of goes hand in hand with reason and logic. These are the pillars of a healthy society in my opinion.

[@torontoash45]

concrete evidence is not a phrase that i invented ,but an Atheist Mantra that they use to make their cases for reality. Atheist claim that Nature is all there is and that there is no Supernatural , Well Did Nature create itself? Where did Consciousness come from in a Naturalistic material world?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

@@torontoash45 If we're to move a conversation past "my opinion vs your opinion", then evidence is important, otherwise we're just trading guesses. Can you and I both agree that "supernatural" is the same as "stuff we don't know yet"? If so, then we're on the same page! How did the universe start? I don't know. But please do bear in mind that if *anyone* tells you they know how the universe started, they are lying! I've got some ideas, that make sense to me, but they are far, far, from "facts". Consciousness is a really interesting question - and difficult. You may be the only conscious thing in the whole universe, Bee, and we may all be constructs of your consciousness. Of course, from my perspective, the opposite is true and you're a construct of mine. Consciousness is the ultimate subjectivity!

[@psullivan01]

Great job!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for the kind feedback, really glad you enjoyed the video. Please do let us know if you're like to see us explore any other subjects!

[@n8n8n8n]

This deserves wide recognition, people should wake up from the lies they live in about the life. I also have a question, if there was Adam and Eve as first humen, and they had 2 sons - Kain and Abel, where all the other people came from? I mean like black people, asians and so on? Kain and Abel were brothers so they could not even try to have kids, because it would be a sin in eyes of god, wouldn't it?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for the kind feedback; we appreciate your time in viewing our content. The whole Adam and Eve think doesn't really make any sense, does it?

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective if you read the bible the question is clearly given but you dolts don't care to understand. You love being stooo-pid. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@louis26825756]

Brilliant video.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for taking the time to check out the channel, glad you liked it!

[@royleon3525]

I spent the last 30 years of my working life contracted to ESA. I learned about the incredible vastness of the Universe. Our magnificent Earth is no more than a grain of sand in the Sahara. I have taken Christian and Muslim friends to the very informative Space Expo museum in Noordwijk. When I described the unimaginable distances and the uncountable stars and Galaxies I was asked on two occasions. Where is God in all of this. My reply was, God is where he always was, he is in your head. Put there by your parents, later at school your parents stories were endorsed. Later still at your place of worship the minister confirmed what you had heard at school. Leaving you in no doubt that it must be true. This is called indoctrination and very difficult to undo. I only have to ask myself why would the creator of such immensity choose to vist our grain of sand and make a man in his own image.? There are many sources of information on this subject my favorites are Zechariah Sitchin, much more plausible than the scriptures, Michael Tellinger who goes into great depth of why all over the world there has been a pantheon of 12 gods they have different names of course but their stories and attributes are almost identical. There must be a logical reason and indoctrination will not reveal the answer.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

When put in that light, we remember how small we really are on this pale blue dot. Really interesting to hear that, thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts to the channel.

[@2fast2block]

@@lepidoptera9337 wow, look at your vast knowledge to refute Red Apple... "Yes, that was a lot of bullshit. ;-)" Come on, you must have had help by scientists to show such science. Since you're so 'smart'.... How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@aolish]

I love how Ray Comfort puts it, if I see a building, I know intivituly and need NO proof that there HAS to be an architect, if I look at a car (especially the engine of the car) I know that there has to be a mechanic, if I see a beautiful painting, I know that there has to be painter, and if I see Creation I know that there HAS to be a Creator. I would NEVER EVER assume that a building, a car, a painting would EVER happen by chance. I just automatically and naturally assume that the building, the car, and the painting had creators. Why is Creation the one huge exception to this rule? What makes this argument even more shocking is that Creation is BY FAR the most complex thing EVER made, and YET it is the ONE observance that is excluded to having a maker. The question we need to ask ourselves is this: Do you believe in the SCIENIFIC IMPOSSIBLITY that "NOTHING" created everything which is what atheism really is or do you believe that there had to have been someone who created everything. Which one sounds more REASONABLE and LOGICAL? I pray that this post will bring at least one person to Christ. God bless you all!

[@aolish]

@Ben Jones Hello there Ben Jones I'm just using pure logic and reason my friend, that's all. Based off of our experience, our understanding and our observance of everything that we all see and use every day ... we know every time we see Order and Design in anything we know that there has to be a designer. In addition, we all know that everything that has a "beginning" will always have a "cause." Therefore the universe has a "beginning" (proven scientific fact) so the universe must of had a "cause." The question we need to ask ourselves then is who "caused" the universe. It can't be "nothing", because "nothing" will always produce "nothing". That's an deniable 100% fact. So the logical approach is that there must of had been someone who created everything. Because what we see around us is not complete utter chaos and total randomness but we see AMAZING "Design" and AMAZING "Order". Order will never come out of Chaos and Order will never happen by accident. Whenever you see amazing order you see amazing intelligence. And any time you see intelligence it always points back to a mind. Take a look at the following video below, its a short video but it conveys more of what I'm talking about. Plus the editing is absolutely amazing. xD LOL God bless you my friend and take care! kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3aaZ6GtntKoipI

[@reuteratwork8983]

@@aolish - Well, it's funny how Ray Comfort only lists things that were actually man-made -- yes, if I see a building, I know there was an architect -- but if I see a flower, I know it grew from a seed, there was no "flower-maker" -- if I see a mountain range, I know it arose through the movement of tectonic plates, there was no "mountain-builder" -- so you & Ray are guilty of the fallacy of Special Pleading, which is not evidence for anything at all -- you are also committing the Strawman fallacy, because nobody, anywhere, says that the universe came from "NOTHING" -- nobody -- you're just trying to say that that's the non-theistic claim, when it simply isn't -- so there's no "SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY" being claimed, & therefore no "SCIENTIFIC IMPOSSIBILITY" to be believed or not believed -- come back w/ some actual REASONABLE & LOGICAL arguments, instead of these weak fallacies, if you want to be taken seriously, mmmk? Thx...

[@frankamodeo3640]

@Ben Jones The only way to know if there is a God is through the manifestations of God such as Christ , Abraham , Muhammad, The Bab, Bahaullah,,how can you known if God real,study the holy writings of the great Manifestation,and will realize the reality of God.That is the only way, even though Science has come to the conclusion that there was a supernatural spark to the big bang.

[@2fast2block]

@@reuteratwork8983 "but if I see a flower, I know it grew from a seed, there was no "flower-maker" " Then how did that flower have the ingredients to be a flower? How did it get life? How is there a universe to contain the flower? How can you be so stoooo-pid? How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

We're currently producing a video on this subject. Hopefully you'll find it interesting.

[@TimH-pu2dd]

You speak well, are concise, and make excellent points. Thank you for this!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Wow, that's very kind of you. So glad you checked out the channel and enjoyed the video.

[@torontoash45]

seriously ? what points? sounds more like assertions than facts

[@scambammer6102]

@@torontoash45 you didn't understand any of his points? lol

[@torontoash45]

You seem very confused . i did understand all his points and disagree with them all . so perhaps the person who is misunderstanding or ven better yet mispresenting is You

[@TimH-pu2dd]

@@torontoash45 One of his points was: "No theist argument ever presented has proven that God exists." If you do not agree with that, please tell me which argument settled the question, and tell me why faith is necessary if the matter has been settled.

[@metorphoric]

I am a Christian and I must say they my faith deepened with archeological literature that complimented Hebrew scripture.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Can you give some examples? Also, as a counter point, can you give examples of things that would shake your faith?

[@reyda01]

@@TheDiscourseCollectiveif you allow me to step in for a bit. There is evidence of a Semitic group of people in Egypt in the Middle kingdom in the town of Avaris. These people would seemingly disappear over night and events in Egipt marching the Biblical Exodus. The evidence of the fall of Jericho matching the Biblical depiction. The evidence in the 1st century of a man named Jesus of Nazareth, that he was crucified, and his disciples claimed he rose from the dead. Going as far to die for there beliefs. My faith would be shaken if I got evidence of Jesus never being raised from the dead.

[@Nak_Muay_Farang11]

@@TheDiscourseCollective Don't ask for examples! The card house will collapse!

[@anthonyireland6108]

Nice ten minute talk . You are expressing my thoughts on this subject exactly . The burden of proof is the strongest argument against God , after all extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence of proof , something the believer's have consistently failed to produce .

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for taking the time to watch the video. I'm glad you felt the direction was fitting to the subject.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective you are just a dolt. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@albwilso9]

I totally agree with you. On all of it!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks so much for checking out the channel and letting us know your thoughts :-)

[@2fast2block]

Ok, you're a proud F00L too. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@michaelbell3181]

I'm an exvie from 2 denominations and loved this.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Really glad you enjoyed it. We're turning out more content soon - break due to new parenting duties! Thanks for checking out the channel and letting us know you liked it.

[@scottplumer3668]

Well said! For me, I'm an atheist because religion is exactly how you would expect it to look if it were man-made. If there really were one true religion, you'd at least expect some kind of internal consistency, or that non-adherents of that True Religion would have religious experiences of the true one. For example, if Christianity were true, you'd see Hindus experiencing Jesus when having religious experiences, and that doesn't seem to happen.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Yep, exactly this. Religions, all 3000+ of them, suffer the same telltale signs of human creation. To invent a God in your own image, then to claim it invented you in *its* image is quite a peice of mental gymnastics.

[@davidbarge1516]

Wow such common sense so eloquently simply put sir, thank you for putting religious belief where it belongs in the nearest trash bin ! The thing I can’t get my head around is really intelligent high achievers actually believe the fairy tales written in Holy Books

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Really glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the kind feedback. It also drives me crazy that so many clearly bright and intelligent people believe in Gods. Thanks for checking out the channel.

[@2fast2block]

The joke in this video is as funny as you are. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@andrewsandilands8974]

Thanks for that. You've received some really crappy comments, which saddened me. The more I listen to how unpleasant theists can be, the more I read their deliberate lies, the more I turn against religion. No religious argument ever addresses the problem of how come there are people of all religions who KNOW they are right, and that their god(s) is the only real god(s). Who are the people holding false beliefs? And how do you know which ones are false?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks Andrew - sorry we're just getting to your very thoughtful comment now. We just covered "truth" in our latest video if you want to check it out : kzbin.info/www/bejne/j365aGSve9OHacU

[@2fast2block]

He deserves dung since his brain is full of it. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@erikt1713]

This is a great summary and I can agree with almost everything. Man-made religion, the many gods of which mist believers pick but one... Only the speculation about a prior universe with different properties was not helpful, I think. We do not know the first cause of the universe and I find it best to simply admit that.

[@methanial73]

No more videos?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

We've got one, very much related to this subject, nearly ready to release. Thanks for offering a spark of motivation, it makes a big positive difference!

[@nadvga6650]

i am not any kind of theist, not even an a-theist. i have no belief system of any kind, never had. i am a natural born and nature built person. i have never had a moment of uncertainty. i have never needed to feel insecure or incapable. its something really really very satisfying. i have no need to worry as we normally do. fiction it isnt

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

OK, that's interesting. Do you believe in gravity or do you walk out of 12th floor windows regularly?

[@nadvga6650]

@@TheDiscourseCollective ask and you shalt be answered, right ? just remember to ask ne that has something related. else .....

[@nadvga6650]

You bet I am. And lovin it

[@greganderson2239]

@@TheDiscourseCollectivelmao 😂

[@AVTRU1]

What's your take on Spirituality

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

So I don't think there is a soul that is independent of your body and survives after you die. However I do think one can have spiritual experiences and seek to understand the universe is wider ways. However this 'wider ways' exclude make believe and supernatural, which is simply the human desire to believe in magic. Happy new year and thanks for checking our the channel.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective "However I do think one can have spiritual experiences and seek to understand the universe is wider ways." Says the dolt who ignores science that shows how we got the universe and life, just to name a few. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@davidsabillon5182]

Like commented and subscribed 👍

[@PInk77W1]

I love how science proves God

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Really? Can you enlighten me too? That sounds like a game changer.

[@PInk77W1]

@@TheDiscourseCollective Anthony Flew, long time atheist. Became a believer, because of SCIENCE it was as u say, a game changer

[@Jazzys.Prime.Chilling.Time127]

I tried to be religious than i realise its just type of OCD

[@garydavies663]

Brilliant ! You have just articulated what I have been saying for years. Religion makes no sense.. I always used to say all these different religions why would god not just teach them the one religion BECAUSE THEY ARE MAN MADE !

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for checking out the video - appreciate you time in offering your feed back. It does seems they are man made, to me at least!

[@tonylarge5298]

I am still waiting for Satan at the Crossroads to cut a deal with him maybe he will never show because of the Angel hanging around my shoulders.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Choose your path wisely! Best of luck and thanks for adding to the discourse!

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective look who's talking who chose your path being braindead. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@JoshuaPryce-ps7hx]

The make believe of society is what provokes us to grow. The ability to adapt is change and experience. God is an experience far into the future. Atheism is an experience which comes in time but its temporary and works for the present.

[@warren52nz]

Depends how you define "God". As Arthur C. Clarke wrote: *_"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."_* So if that fits YOUR definition of a god then that's one. If you think about how technology is advancing at an exponential rate what would we be like in 1,000 or a million years? If you took a cell phone (and it was connected to the Internet somehow) back 200 years, people would think you're a god.

[@hopelessnerd6677]

This could be more simple to explain than we think. We are fairly sure from fossil evidence that walking upright came before brain growth. Walking frees our hands to use tools to obtain more food. More food allows bigger brains. Bigger brains allow us to imagine things that don't (yet) exist, thus allowing us to pick up a rock, and see how it could be an axe, or a knife. Those that could make efficient tools got even more high energy food (meat). Having a good imagination thus became valuable for survival. At some point, we started to imagine abstract things. Painting, language, and writing soon followed. Imagining supernatural creatures to explain all the things we saw is a small step. Getting rid of them has proven to be much harder.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Yep. Exactly this. Fire, lightening, earthquakes, eclipses.. These were scary things when they were totally not understood. Inventing a God is the next natural step. Props to the first human who convinced the other he knew the answer, and the answer was an invisible sky man!

[@daemoniumvenator7099]

Nice video! We truly need clear people like you! It's sad to think that all of these full time Christians hope to die to go to heaven when in fact the only thing we'll see is.....a dead silent void. Have a nice day!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for checking out the channel :-)

[@chameleonrat9627]

Humans can believe in anything as long as it does not interfere with other people's life.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

We can wish for a world where the beliefs of others don't impinge on my rights, but that window gets smaller and smaller every day. Thanks for checking out the channel 👍

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective hey dolt, your stoooo-pid beliefs DO infringe on my beliefs in science. I have to pay taxes for schools to teach your insane materialistic BS "science." Look how you turned out, very stooo-pid. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@Bacon7666]

I am an atheist because Peecha chaka bonowa ashagudah tweepi soloooo. Ohhh ho ho ho ho ho ho.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Well that's my mind changed!

[@davidwhitcher1972]

I have been an atheist since i was 11. I find one of the best ways to determine who follows Jesus teaching is come out as an atheist. You will immediately be attacked by any bad theists within ear shot.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Yes announcing your disbelief in Christanity does tend to create a pretty instant impact! Thanks for checking out the channel, David.

[@shldnp.268]

You shouldn't be attacked. But maybe that's your point of view too. Anyway you will find out if you're right or wrong. But then is it too late?

[@davidwhitcher1972]

@@shldnp.268 Wrong about worshiping GOD? which one, there are thousands of them all with the same proof. A book.

[@2fast2block]

I'm one of those "bad theists" so let's see what you've got, doofus. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@joemooney6536]

I pray that all of you change your mind before your time is up...

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for stopping by. Why are you praying for us? What does it matter if we don't end up in heaven? Also, isn't God's plan infallible ? Are you expecting Him to change His plan or me to change my beliefs?

[@elucidativo7]

@@TheDiscourseCollectiveone word about God’s plan: Jesus died to save all of us, but you are free to accept it or deny it. And you are free to change your mind whenever you want.

[@therighteousmind6708]

It’s amazing to learn how MAN created GOD

[@torontoash45]

it is amazing how some people only use 1% of their brain to say idiotic things they can support

[@therighteousmind6708]

@@torontoash45 Dhar Mann: Dude replies to a comment, instantly regrets

[@torontoash45]

Regrets what? speak english dude

[@therighteousmind6708]

@@torontoash45 It’s a meme 😎

[@therighteousmind6708]

@@torontoash45 Do you watch Dhar Mann

[@mariobethell3731]

With so many different religions all believing by faith in a God or Gods that they all think is/are real, yet teaching different doctrines at the same time, the question then begs, "What can anybody not believe by faith, and does this belief make anything true". This, l'd really love to know. In the absence of evidence truth is uncertain. Therefore, judgement or any decision making must be suspended. For this is the most honest thing a person can ever do. Anything more than this is merely presumptuous speculations that the religious world call faith. No wonder knowledge is the greatest enermy of faith and any religion!

[@johnnybickle13]

Everyone is an atheist to some amount of gods

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I often say to those that ask me "why don't you believe in God" - "Do you believe in Zeus? No? That's exactly how I feel about your God!" Thanks for taking the time to check out the channel; much appricated.

[@johnnybickle13]

@@TheDiscourseCollective Myself, only I like to use Hanuma, the monkey god of Hinduism. That way they cant say, which they have tried before, that Zeus is a god.of mythology.

[@derpydino35]

Hello Friend! My name is Jackson, and I was baptized and raised in a christian family. However, I personally don't believe in an omnipotent god. I have just started on my path to atheism, and have one question for you on your belief. What do you believe happens after death? Thank you so much, and have an IMPECCABLE rest of your day

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Hey Jackson. Thanks so much for checking out the video. I hope so much that your journey away from religion hasn't been hard on you or your close family and friends. It can be so difficult, especially in the US, to leave a religious background and I hope you're doing OK. When we die, I believe we go back to the same place we were before we were born. That is to say, nothingness. It may seem dark, but I actually get comfort in the fact we return of nothing. We are like mayflies, alive for the briefest of times, and must make each day special and extraordinary. I've always found the work of Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris very helpful. Here in the UK we have the Humanist association, who are great. In the US I'm finding the work of the Satanic Temple very refreshing, they're not what most people think they are; they're actually just trolling the less tolerant extreme end of the Christians in the US. Reading their manifesto can be quite enlightening! Keep well, Jackson, and keep in touch!

[@robparsons1527]

G'day Jackson. My name is Rob and I'm an aged (like wine!) atheist, this situation has existed for me since 7 or 8 years old. I did check out religion as i got older, read books, talked to believers even went to a Billy Graham revival meeting when he came to Australia, nothing changed for me as far as my conviction went but I gained insight into how religion works. Anyway that is just a bit of background, because you specifically asked about death, if you like I will tell you my experience when I died (and obviously revived) with a heart attack about 8 years ago now. I rarely tell this event because many people, I think, are scared to hear (almost every day I wear a top that says "There Is No God", I had a batch of 30 T shirts and jumpers (sorry forgot US translation jumper, sweat shirt? If indeed you are American) so people I live around, local shops, neighbours, etc. certainly have no doubt as to where I stand. Anyway if you want to hear it just drop in a reply here. 'ave a good one mate.

[@derpydino35]

@@robparsons1527 Ello Rob! Nice to meet you

[@robparsons1527]

@@derpydino35 G'day Jackson (you'd be Jacko in Oz 😃 ). I'll put in the background of how it came about so you can get an idea of where my head was at when it happened. Ok here goes... Firstly as I said when i was 7 or 8 I decided there was no god and it was shortly there after they I lost all the fear i had about death and it has never returned. Ok background... I have done quite a few things in my life and one of those was as a musician. My home capital was having special event at the state library celebrating local artists who had works published outside of Australia. I had put together a band with a friend in the 1970's and we had our recordings released world wide and there was a display for the band, along with many others much more famous than us. As you can imagine I was looking forward to going to the event and meet people who in many cases I had not seen in decades. Also at this time I was having heart problems and was diagnosed with angina, I was not feeling well at all that day but I just did not want to miss this, so in-spite of the wisdom I have gained over my life (live long enough you get it), I did a really stupid thing. I also have a spinal injury and it was giving serious pain from that morning, so it was a case of no way I'm not going that's it... I new how hard I could push my pain killers so i went for it, over the course of the day I took the maximum dose I could get away with and hopefully not kill myself, I had taken 8 tabs of high dose codeine. It had been a pretty warm day around 38C (100F) and it wasn't going to cool off much as the evening moved on. I only had one alcohol drink (I still had some smarts left ha ha!). I spent about 3 or 4 hours at the event, shaking hands, laughing, reminiscing and then went to the pub with the rest of the band, I stuck to coke. I got home about midnight and collapsed into bed pretty quick, I was spent. I woke at 6.00 am to bad chest pain, I got out of bed and made it to the living room lounge, I grabbed my angina tabs and stuck one under my tongue, you then wait 5 minutes and see if the pain subsides, it did not, I put the second tab under my tongue but the pain and tightness did not reduce but in fact increased. If you still have pain after the second five minutes you call an ambulance which is what I did. I had to get up and unlock the front door so when the ambo got here they could get in, I was also caring for my mum who was about 94/95 at the time. I had to wake her and tell her what was going on so she would be less worried and could call one of my brothers to come and look after her. All of this was with a pain level in my chest of about 8 out of 10 but I stayed very, very calm no angst or fear at all and I knew fully what was happening. The ambo arrived about 6:30 am they went to work wiring me up, blood pressure, temperature etc. I managed to start making jokes and had them calm and focused in no time. I well remember as they were wheeling the stretcher into the back of the ambo some local kids came to see what was going on, i gave them a thumbs up and said g'day, they returned the thumbs up and then a dog ran by and off they went, I laughed with paramedic about my fleeting fame ousted by a dog in less than 60 seconds lol. The ambo ride was fun actually, having a chat and a laugh with the Para as we raced to the hospital, lights, sirens, speed... awesome. They wheeled me into emergency, I shook hands with the para's thanked them and wished them a quiet night. About maybe a minute went by and some nurses came and started to wheel me to Op theatre. When I arrived the resident heart surgeon greeted me with " I'll be your plumber this morning, I laughed and said shit you blokes charge that much! I'll have to call my bank manager! both lol (in Australia it's free). When the doors of the theatre opened there was a circle of monitors, over a dozen, surrounding the op table, I said loudly "Awesome you got cable, what's on, ah the discovery channel!" everybody giggled I then asked "You can't get the footy can ya?" Everybody laughed loudly, the surgeon gave them hey chill kinda thing, a this is serious you know, I apologised and promised to withhold the humour. Much to their amazement i was able to sit up to get my clothes off, nothing like being stark naked in front of a group of strangers! I cannot have general anaesthetic as it has very high chance of killing me, fortunately they did not have to rip open my chest but go in through the veins. The doc opens up my right wrist, I thought it would have been the left, I watch the monitors as the device slowly and gently goes up my arm and towards my heart, you can see the blood clot in my artery that my heart can't move. During all this I kept talking to the doc telling him my pain level and how tight my chest was feeling. Just as the device gets to the edge of my heart I tell the doc "I am getting very dizzy now" He says "No worries mate we got ya". Then at that instant it happened, I knew I was having my last few seconds of life. A wall of black zoomed into view, the blackest black I had ever seen then I felt as if the weight of the world had been lifted from my shoulders all my problems just vanished I felt fantastic! The next part is difficult to describe because it is not a visual thing but a feeling, an emotional thing. This is the best analogy from life I can think of. Imagine that you like to play chess and your ok but not great at it but there is this one guy who in 50 years of game after game on weekends you have never beaten once and now suddenly you win! Imagine the feeling of elation you would have! Coupled with that elation the following last thoughts entered my mind, "Yes I did it! I got it right! I won, I won at life!" then end, nothing after that I just ceased to be. Next I regained consciousness and straight away I said "I just died" the doc took a step back and said "yes.. yes you did what was it like?" I told the story to him and he said the blackness and weight of problems being lifted from oneself was very common but the last bit seemed to really surprise him he said he had never had anyone say there was anything after the weight of problems leaving them, he did not know what to say he seemed stunned. Next he told me that in-spite of being dead for some time I had suffered no heart or brain damage at all, he seemed to have a, this guys one in a million type tone in his voice. They put some warm blankets on me, it was most welcome, operating theatres are kept very cold, then they wheeled me to the wards. Well that's my story. Not once was I afraid or scared, I had my beliefs strengthened to the max. Just remember that I cannot say this is what happens to everyone, while I appear to have had some common experiences the last part seems like it may have been unique to me, maybe. I hope that this helps you in some way. Stay cool man, cheers Rob.

[@derpydino35]

@@robparsons1527 Woah... Thank you so much for telling me your story! You really helped me :) You seem like an amazing and humorous fellow, and I'm glad I got the chance to meet you

[@susettesoja1482]

Thanks for the video. I’m an atheist and did not raise my children with any religious ideas

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

So glad you enjoyed it and found it useful. I agree 100%, Politics and religion are something we should only be exposed to directly later in life. Early years is a time for understanding everything, not being told what to think.

[@2fast2block]

What a great parent you are. Lying to your kids that this all happened on its own. Too bad your kids can't see what a joke you are. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@JacarandaMusic]

All good except that in your thought experiment, no, I’d never be in a position to know I wasn’t experiencing a psychotic episode. And even aside from that I would never ‘worship’ a thing that made the universe as it is.

[@ipedre]

1:50 Unfortunately not. Many people believe the earth is flat.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

True - we just covered this in our latest video, if you want to check it out - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j365aGSve9OHacU

[@josephcollins6033]

I know!!!!! Kind of scary.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Scary is right! Keep safe.

[@Galaxygacha-ir5ko]

Hi nice video, slightly ambiguous? you started by saying:"I'm not here to convert anybody" your closeout statement says otherwise. Anyway, thats not really what I'm commenting. I really like your directness and simplicity about your belief. I am a Christian, not religous, though; and I'm not commenting to criticise, nor to judge. I was agnostic until somewhere i my mid-20s. I had a spiritual encounter, of sorts. Something my university professors at the time couldn't explain nor identify with. It was neither my imagination, since this phenomenon occured in a group setting. Long story short, the only reference to what we all encountered suggested that there's life after death. That infers we have a soul.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

You know you're right, I hadn't actually connected those dots until you mentioned it. I guess I'm trying to say that I'm not trying to convert people with *this video*. It's my aim to make religion cease to exist, but I recognise this can't be done on a person by person basis. I confused this message, so thanks for helping me see that. I'd love to hear more about your experience, if you had time to tell me somehow? Thanks for getting in touch.

[@Galaxygacha-ir5ko]

@@TheDiscourseCollective thanks for your honesty! I will attempt to recount the events that led to my personal epiphany. Growing up in the 80s in a dystopian environment only coumpounded my reality that there is NO GOD. Fast-forward a few years... We thought we had lost a dear friend through a tragic climbing accident.. She was in ICU, fractured her skull, many broken bones... it seriously looked hopeless for her. after one of our visits to the hospital, a small group of us decided to go to her student residence to collect some of her clothing items. Whilst at her residence, we received and unexpected visitor (an elderly gentleman) who suggested that she's going to be fine and insisted that we should only take her grey gown, toiletries and the white fluffy slippers. He said his good-byes and left us . At the time we didn't make anything of it. She made it to full recovery. A little while later we were jokingly enquiring about her elderly stalker guy and his knowledge of her 'favourite' items of clothing. Long story short, again. Through our description of the elderly gentleman, we realised that it was her deceased grand-father. all three of us interacted with a dead person, whom none of us had met. We couldnt make sense of it, Science couldn't explain it. Our professors, as well as most of our associates were as dumbfounded as we were. Someone at Campus residence heard of our story, approached us, offered his bible, and encouraged us to seek the truth. Of course, we had a good laugh about the gesture.... Some months later I scraped enough courage to read the bible, only to find the TRUTH., so here i am! Blessings to you my friend.

[@larzhillbot1443]

Yes we do have a Soul i am very Spiritual i do believe in a Universal Source witch no man can explain Man made Religions are all a Mess and are easy to see if you are a critical thinker .

[@2fast2block]

Only nitwits get converted by this A$$. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@andreworford9641]

I.am.atheist.myself.on.the.word.truth.only.from.when.i.was.11.years.of.age.to.the.present.nearly.76.years.of.age.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Good on you Andrew! Long may you enjoy your freedom of thought!

[@LM-jz9vh]

To religious people who believe in the *fictional* Abrahamic god YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah, please learn his origins. He was originally a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon and son of the chief Canaanite god El. Yes, the *fictional* god of the Israelites and Christians is the same *fictional* god of the Muslims as well - the Abrahamic god. ------------------‐----------------------------------------------- *Although the biblical narratives depict Yahweh as the sole creator god, lord of the universe, and god of the Israelites especially, initially he seems to have been Canaanite in origin and subordinate to the supreme god El.* Canaanite inscriptions mention a lesser god Yahweh and even the biblical Book of Deuteronomy stipulates that *“the Most High, El,* gave to the nations their inheritance” and that “Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob and his allotted heritage” (32:8-9). A passage like this reflects the early beliefs of the Canaanites and Israelites in polytheism or, more accurately, henotheism (the belief in many gods with a focus on a single supreme deity). *The claim that Israel always only acknowledged one god is a later belief cast back on the early days of Israel's development in Canaan.* *It is generally accepted in the modern day, however, that Yahweh originated in southern Canaan as a lesser god in the Canaanite pantheon* and the Shasu, as nomads, most likely acquired their worship of him during their time in the Levant. *Yahweh in the Canaanite Pantheon* The biblical narrative, however, is not as straightforward as it may seem as it also includes reference to the Canaanite god El whose name is directly referenced in `Israel' (He Who Struggles with God or He Who Perseveres with God). *El was the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon and the god who, according to the Bible, gave Yahweh authority over the Israelites:* When the *Most High [El]* gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of men, he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of the Sons of God. For Yahweh's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage. (Deuteronomy 32:8-9, Masoretic Text). The Canaanites, like all ancient civilizations, worshipped many gods but chief among them was the sky-god El. *In this passage from Deuteronomy, El gives each of the gods authority over a segment of the people of earth and Yahweh is assigned to the Israelites who, in time, will make him their supreme and only deity; but it is clear he existed beforehand as a lesser Canaanite god.* Yahweh, according to Amzallag, was transformed from one god among many to the supreme deity by the Israelites in the Iron Age (c.1200-930 BCE) when iron replaced bronze and the copper smelters, whose craft was seen as a kind of transformative magic, lost their unique status. *In this new age, the Israelites in Canaan sought to distance themselves from their neighbors in order to consolidate political and military strength and so elevated Yahweh above El as the supreme being and claimed him as their own.* His association with the forge, and with imagery of fire, smoke, and smiting, worked as well in describing a god of storms and war and so Yahweh's character changed from a deity of transformation to one of conquest. *As the Israelites developed their community in Canaan, they sought to distance themselves from their neighbors and, as noted, elevated Yahweh above the traditional Canaanite supreme deity El.* They did not, however, embrace monotheism at this time. The Israelites remained a henotheistic people through the time of the Judges, which predates the rise of the monarchy, and throughout the time of the Kingdom of Israel (c.1080-c. 722). Google *"Yahweh - **WorldHistory.Org.**"* Watch Dr Christine Hayes at Yale University. Watch lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards and lecture 8 from 12:00 to 19:00 minutes. Google *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopaedia."* Google *"Canaanite Religion - **Realhistoryww.com**"* Google *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* Google *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* Google *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* Google *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* Google *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* Google *"The Boundaries of the Nations - Yahweh Elohim."* Google *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* Google *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* Google *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* Google *"Mark Smith: "Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh's Ascendancy - Lehi's Library."* Google *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* Google *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* Google *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* Google *"Biblical Polytheism - Bob Seidensticker."* Google *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* Google *"Decoupling YHWH and El - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."* Google *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Wow, well we'll observed and sourced historical insight. Thanks for adding your perspective. The modern Christian churches are simply power grabs from the various empires founded in the early part of the 1st millennium. I'm still amazed people don't see the naked ambition inherant in the church.

[@scooby3133]

Basically the same way I think just said much more eloquently than I would. The simple fact there are apologists shows no gods have been demonstrated to exist.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I'm sure you're eloquent in you own way! Yes - apologists do indicate there is someway to go before God can be considered "proved"!

[@2fast2block]

Shut up, you don't think much either. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@joghdtv7074]

amazing video

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks, and also for taking the time to share your thoughts. We appreciate every view!

[@2fast2block]

Amazing only to dolts. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@cardcounter21]

A question I once asked a famous preacher and have still received no answer for is: before the creation of Eve did Adam have testicles? If you read Genesis carefully when God created Adam there was never any intention to create woman, she came later only as a solution to Adam's loneliness problem (after God's plan to pair him with an animal didn't satisfy Adam). So if woman was never part of the original creation plan the question remains did Adam have testicles before Eve's arrival?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

It's true that there are so many inconsistencies in the bible and things that just make zero sense. I wouldn't wait up on that answer from the preacher! You can see why the Christians tried to start again with the new testament. the old testament is just full of crazy. Thanks for your thoughts!

[@jenna2431]

He has all his parts in the Sistine Chapel version. But then again, he also gets touched to life instead of breathed, which Christians stand there gawking and never connect, so I dunno.

[@PInk77W1]

Contingent things don’t explain themselves

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

No, but they have a reason for existence. In *every single case*, whenever humans have made a discovery of the cause of a contingent thing, it's turned out not to be supernatural.

[@mariosimas]

God is a construct of the human mind. nothing else.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

On that you and I are in total agreement! Thanks for taking the time to tell us what you think

[@brendaandrade6753]

Wym

[@saycheese6773]

Prove it

[@torontoash45]

How do you know God was man made ? It seems like only your opinion and nothing more

[@torontoash45]

i wonder what facts you are thinking about ?

[@royleon3525]

God has spoken to no living person. Though many claim they have heard the voice in their head. Perhaps Abraham, Moses and Ezekiel were possible candidates. Tent dwellers, probably illiterate, given the responsibility to spread the word of God. A tough job in those days. Today we have WiFi but it seems no deity has figured out how to use it and give us all a World Wide Epiphany.!

[@nonfecittaliter4361]

Weak and unconvincing 'reasons'... I remain a Christian Catholic Theist, there is simply no way that a universe like this we are a part of could exist randomly and purposelessly, 'by itself', it is just absurd the idea that a limited being can give itself its own existence if it did not even exist before to give itself such existence) or by a blind 'force' (like Star Wars), without the immeasurable Will, Intelligence and Power (beyond any reference or experience that we can even imagine) of a conscious Creator Being.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I agree that 'something from nothing' is intellectually unfulfilling. Do bear in mind that "nothing" also includes universes that do not maintain our physical laws - hence the bubble universe theory. We made a video about how the universe may have come into being which you might find useful : kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4LJknR3i7KDoKs I keep an open mind about "creator", would you agree that the 'creator' is just as likely to be an AI that created our universe in software and runs us as constructs, or Allah, or Zeus or Aliens? Out of interest, are there any parts of the Catholic doctrine your find unfulfilling spiritually? Thanks for letting me know your thoughts about the video.

[@joemooney6536]

Thank you Jesus Christ for giving all of us a chance for salvation...

[@lllemonade33]

Like your own comment lol

[@Giuvannuzzeddu]

Questo e' ovvio.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Scusa il mio italiano è molto povero. Grazie per aver guardato il video.

[@larzhillbot1443]

I believe in a Universal Source just NOT a Religious God Great talking points .

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Yeah, we need to separate spiritualism and religion for sure. Talking points are so important. I appreciate you joining the channel and adding your comments. Thanks!

[@elliottpaine9259]

Its true, if you "make a claim" its the responsiblity of the claimer to show proof. Not the listener. same with anything else in life, the delusion is real folks.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

This is so often overlooked. Thanks for stopping by and watching our videos!

[@elliottpaine9259]

@@TheDiscourseCollective no problem, I have left religion 4 years ago and it is great to be done with it. I will not be going to any other religion either, Im done with ALL RELIGION.

[@2fast2block]

I back up my claims so let's see what you've got, nitwit. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@chriswasson8414]

According to scripture, "only a fool says in his heart that there is no God."

[@truthrevealer771]

Who or what has created morals?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

When you see another person, or animal, suffering how does that make you feel? I automatically want to help, not because it's the "moral" thing to do, but because I empathise. Empathy is a element of the human condition, and morals flow from that. They didn't need to be "created".

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective yeah, what do you do when you see pain and suffering? Why just not leave them to die? That is your survivila of the fittest BS. And another thing, you goof, you steal morals from God who is the higher authority and then claim they are your morals. Yet you have no morals since lying comes easy to you. You say there is no God when all you do is wear blinders so you can lie. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@Joe-bx4wn]

Agnosticism the default position. When i was 6 yrs old i was an agnostic. When i was 7 yrs old my mama told me God exists so I became a Deist. Mamas dont lie

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Yes, we ought to be agnostic on all matters, but it's exhausting to list all the things one does not believe in. It's better to focus on the ones you do. Your mama probably didn't think she was lying, but it turns out she was.

[@Joe-bx4wn]

@@TheDiscourseCollective The jury is still out

[@trevorredden3064]

What's your explanation for why self-deifiers go down hard and fast after deification?

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Can you provide an example of 'going down hard and fast'? Just so I fully understand your question 😊. Thanks for getting involved in the discussion 🙏

[@xstatic6134]

What's a self deifier ? Cuz if u can explain it then I might be able to answer

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

@@xstatic6134 😂 😂 😂 This had me in tears! I think it's one of these www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/ambigamy/201702/self-deification

[@xstatic6134]

@@TheDiscourseCollective 😂😂😂😂

[@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen]

As a god myself I love how you've missed the point entirely.... 1. Everything is created - 2. You were created and you create. 3. Being is the point of being 4. That's it! Enjoy!! 😊

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Well, thanks to you being a God and all, you'll be able to rewind time and change the contents of the video to clear that mistake up!

[@scambammer6102]

you covered it pretty well. could have more on the incoherence of god as a concept, which is a great argument, but boring.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for taking the time to check out the channel, and for your comments. I'm still learning 👍

[@2fast2block]

Wow, you stooo-pid people are everywhere. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@joshuamartinpryce1237]

Sadly most "theists" are people with bad intentions. They do not truly invest in their spiritual lives but focus on religiosity and unhelpful traditions. This is what made Jesus most angry with the Pharisees, because they didnt focus on connection with God, and focus on the messiah and witness Jesus as the Son of God, they focused more on religious traditions, unhelpful laws and looking spiritual to others. I feel the same anger. That being said. Spiritual believers will not be swayed but will challenge you on your atheistic concepts and cause you to later walk away with your tail between your legs. I am not putting myself high but I have seen that personally happen. Everyone knows God exists they just couldnt care less because of how hard it is to follow Christ, I admit sacrifice away from being comfortable is not easy. The Holy Spirit is the guidance and counsellor to aid the walk on that hard long road.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I'd welcome any 'challenge to my atheistic concepts' that you'd like to put forward. There are very few arguments that support the existence of God in any meaningful way, and zero that form conclusive proof. I don't think I'll walk away with my tail between my legs! Evangelical Christians seem to love to profess how hard it is to follow Christ, but you guys made up the rules; not me. If it's hard, it's because you're making it hard. Being a good person without god is something I strive to do every day. While I take some Christian concepts to heart while doing that I also use elements of Buddhist and Islamic teaching, along with humanist ideals and simple moral common sense. It's not hard to be good, but it is harder than being bad. Thank you for your time in watching the video.

[@timmiller7338]

A.D. 2022

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Not sure I get the reference, unless it's the "anno domini" bit you're referring to? Let me know!

[@timmiller7338]

@@TheDiscourseCollective I don't see the need to change to C.E. . There will still be controversy, but fewer "facts" or structure.

[@colinriches1519]

To be firmly religious and yet intelligent, you cannot be honest with yourself. To be firmly religious and honest with yourself, requires huge intellectual holes. If you're firmly honest and intelligent, you cannot hold strong faith. This triad can never be made. You can be any two, but never all three.

[@2fast2block]

Then prove it, you nutcase. Ok, threaten me and see if you can get me to retreat. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I too am sometimes amazing about how seemingly intelligent people can be sucked into religion. Thanks for taking the time to check out the video and the channel.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective you are a joke who only has doom as your future. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoSYk6h9o62JkNk

[@2fast2block]

@@lepidoptera9337 I never was ashamed to show I believe in God as I already did in this thread. I love showing what nitwits are who don't believe in God as I already did in this thread.

[@colinriches1519]

@@2fast2block What convinced you that your particular belief system is legit? Atheists are just cognitively and emotionally stronger people than those who cling to their hopes and fears implanted via emotional blackmail. Anyone can be a sheep, a follower or a simp to men claiming to know what they absolutely cannot know. Trusting anyone who is that dishonest is utter stupidity. So what exactly makes an atheist a "nitwit" as you claim?

[@elucidativo7]

Spiritual blindness has cure. Seek it.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

People can disagree on facts, but they tend to be the minority and those who believe the facts tend to be in agreement for most of it. The fact that there are multiple religions with a myriad denominations show that no argument is really convincing. That doesn't disprove God, I simply proves that if God exists, the vast majority of people don't understand God, so why believe their claims.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

The great thing about facts is they don't need your agreement to be true! I can't remember who said that (maybe Neil deGrasse Tyson?). "Why believe their claims" is bang on; the burden of proof is on them.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

@@TheDiscourseCollective Not sure how thay relates to what I said but ok

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

@@Fernando-ek8jp oh, as in you said 'people can disagree on facts'.. Like a fact is a fact! Then my point about the burden of proof is as you said 'so why believe their claims'.. Hope that makes more sense now? 👌

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

@@TheDiscourseCollective I know the burden of proof lies on those who make the claim, but that's irrelevant to my point about facts. A fact is a fact, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that people can disagree on which claims are factual, and which aren't. That's kinda the basis of the science: figure out which claims best fit reality, and those can change as the evidence and methodologies improve. My point was that with claims that have the evidence to back them (what we would call facts) can and do have people disagreeing because they reject part of the evidence or claim to have different evidence, that's just normal human interactions, but generally most people agree on them. When it comes to the God claim, you have huge discrepancies even within believers of the "same" god, which should be a red flag, given that if the evidence to support the claims was valid, you'd find a greater consensus.

[@prestonbacchus4204]

One question, when you say that you believe "God or god(s)" do not exist, specifically what meaning are you giving to that ambiguous "God or god" concept you are using? Seems like that is about the most ambiguous word in all of language and nobody could really know what meaning is intended unless you offer that. Lest everyone be confused.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I suppose I'm using the word in it's widest sense. "A supernatural being who has ultimate control over the entire universe or parts of a universe within a group of other gods"

[@prestonbacchus4204]

I would be without belief in something like that. Here is a 2K year old definition out of the Bible more to my liking that implies nothing supernatural: "God is love". That use is really a metaphor wherein the declarant is saying: "I think love is the 'highest and greatest' moral truth.", with "God" denoting highest and greatest. "Clapton is God", or "Jesus is God" are similar uses that have nothing supernatural associated with them.@@TheDiscourseCollective

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

There is wisdom and beauty in the bible. Many ways of interpreting it would produce a world of love and kindness. Sadly, many parts promote hate and anger. What we end up with is Christianity. Fractured, horrifically damaging and a worldwide source of terror. Better surely to abandon it for universally accessible humanistic values that offer a modern and accessible framework that lets us all shine without the need for complex reinterpretation, no?

[@prestonbacchus4204]

Loved your comment.^@@TheDiscourseCollective

[@KenadoCC]

I was an Atheist. But I fought against my predesposition, and SOUGHT God. After 1 year, God manifested to me. I know now, I know. No matter what you say, what so called evidence show, I know. Yes, He spoke, yes, He made me aware that He is beyound anything we think God is. You are not Seeking truth the way it shall be done.

[@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic]

So you have a warm fuzzy feeling that says there's a god? Cool. Works for you. Just not reality.

[@jamesmurphy1678]

It is actually very simple to prove God with one statement ." It would be impossible for our non existent universe to magically self create itself from nothing into everything the initial act of creation that of creating everything from nothing had to have been a supernatural act by a supreme being with infinite power and infinite intelligence that exists outside of our paradigm of time and space and matter and is eternal that would be God. God created what is known as the Trinity of trinity's time space and matter time past present and future ,space length wdth and depth, matter solid liquid and gas created simultaneously by God." It is everything else that would be illogical. Example: Time cannot go back infinite into the past otherwise nothing would ever occur because the time prior to the 1st event would always be infinite your arguments are illogical.. It is also impossible for life to magically self create itself from non life the creation of life was also was also a supernatural act created by God. It is also very easy to disprove evolution DNA molecules only adapt they do not transform there is no such thing as transspecies mutations. You don't really believe that you and your dog are a distant cousin's or your pet fish come on give me a break. Scientist also state that the image on the shroud of Turrin 3-D holographic image separated by an event horizon was created supernaturally that is God's proof ie. Receipt that he resurrected his son which is proof of Christ. PLEASE RESPOND!!!!!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Well I must say I agree with a lot of what you said. Yes, universes (or anything else for that matter) don't magically create themselves. However, it's quite a jump to go from that to stating the cause "had to have been a supernatural act by a supreme being with infinite power and infinite intelligence that exists outside of our paradigm of time and space and matter and is eternal that would be God". How about if our universe was created by a group of alien scientists, or a super-AI, or another previous universe that does not require matter/time/energy for its existence? You jump straight from "We don't know" to "God did it". That's not proof of anything, I'm afraid, it's only an abductive supposition. Yes, life did not magically create itself. Again we don't have enough data to offer a statistically relevant theory, but it's quite possible RNA, or a precursor of that molecule, played a part. While the theory of evolution does still have some questions to answer, gene expression and horizontal transfer of genetic material among them, it's the best way we have at the moment of explaining the change in life that we see playing out all around us. You can see evolution taking place right now. Coronavirus variants are evolution; Alpha to Omicron is literally evolution taking place in front of your very own eyes. Lastly, I'm really not sure about 3-D holograms and event horizons but I do know that everything we know about how the physical world works tell us the shroud of Turin was made between the years 1260 and 1390. It's entirely possible you and I won't agree on this, James (can I call you James?), and that's OK. You and I seem to see the world in quite different ways. If your belief in a supernatural God brings you comfort and happiness that in itself is positive; there is so little comfort and happiness to be had you should take it where you find it. For me, personally, there just isn't the evidence to support a God Hypothesis. Thank you so much for checking out the video; and for taking the time to explain your perspective.

[@jamesmurphy1678]

Actually your arguments are illogical. Whoever Created the Universe TIME,SPACE,MATTER has to exist outside of it and must be ETERNAL that has to be God. Who would have created these aliens or A.I. you speak of , Only God could have .There must be an INITIAL CREATOR THAT IS ETERNAL anything else is illogical. Life cannot self create nor can anything. A DNA MOLECULE IS DESIGNED SO PERFECTLY 2 BILLION ATOMS IN PERFECT ALLIGNMENT THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BIRTH DEFECT IN SOME CASES IF ONE ATOM IS MISSING. THERE IS NO MECHANISM IN A DNA MOLECULE THAT WILL PERMIT THE ADDITION OR SUBTRACTION OF A GENE. GENES ARE TURNED ON AND OFF TO ADAPT THEY DO NOT TRANSFORM. THE CORONA VIRUS DOES NOT TRANSFORM THE VIRUS ADAPTS/Mutates AS A SURVIVAL INSTINCT. IT WILL NEVER TRANSFORM TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN A VIRUS. The Shroud of Turin is the most studied artifact in WORLD HISTORY. The Shroud was partially burnt in a fire and partly rewoven which is actually besides the point because SCIENTISTS STATE TODAY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO RECREATE THE IMAGE WE CERTAINLY DID NOT HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY IN THE 12TH OR 13TH CENTURY. THERE ARE PEOPLE TODAY DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE THE SHROUD BECAUSE OF THE IMPLICATIONS BUT THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO STATE HOW THE SHROUD COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED NATURALLY ONLY SUPERNATURALLY. ONLY GOD CAN CREATE THE SUPERNATURAL. GOOD LUCK.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective "How about if our universe was created by a group of alien scientists, or a super-AI, or another previous universe that does not require matter/time/energy for its existence? You jump straight from "We don't know" to "God did it". That's not proof of anything, I'm afraid, it's only an abductive supposition." Oh, looky here, you make statements you have no evidence for. That;s what you nitwits do, you make up anything to avoid reality. Yes, it had to be a supernatural power that created and your stoooo-pid.... "However, it's quite a jump to go from that to stating the cause "had to have been a supernatural act by a supreme being with infinite power and infinite intelligence that exists outside of our paradigm of time and space and matter and is eternal that would be God". ' It is no "jump" it is true. It's true too that you are a devoted F00L. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@vvaloachi7263]

The correct heading would be - ''Why I'm an Idiot"

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Well I certainly have moments devoid of clarity, and I'm far from being a wise man.. But idiot might be a little unfair. But, you know, thanks for your opinion 👍

[@vvaloachi7263]

@@TheDiscourseCollective if someone tell you that your Mobile phone is not made by someone, it just came into existence ''By-chance''. what do you call him ?? Idiot or intelligent ?? But our body is billion times complex machine than the mobile phone. Yet they say it came ''By-chance''!! Atheist's think they are very intelligent. but they are the most incredible idiots of the Universe.

[@nahshon9998]

@@vvaloachi7263 Sorry but the obvious design of the universe and life is not evidence enough for some people. They don't want to believe in God because it puts a restraint on their life. It would mean no more unmarried sex, no more pornography, no more lying, no more stealing, no more sin. And no more killing of the innocent babies. Their favorite sin.

[@truthrevealer771]

Two minutes into this video this person said "The existence of God cannot be found using evidence. The reason for this is religion requires faith" The first time I heard this logic, I had no answer. Now I am in the habit of analyzing the statement. What this person is saying is one or a combination of the two following things: 1. What he is saying is that he does not believe because other people believe. 2. Believing in something is proof that it does not exist.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

It's more a matter of doctrine. Imagine if the Christian God was an everyday fact.. Everyone would worship him. You'd be crazy to have concrete evidence that supernatural being who wanted you to worship him (and gave to access to heaven after your death) actually existed and NOT then worship him. Religion only works if the practitioners do so even in the absence of proof, thereby requiring faith.

[@truthrevealer771]

The Discourse Collective welcome, nice talking to you. You said “Empathy is a element of the human condition” How did empathy become an element of the human condition? In other words, where does empathy come from? How did matter come into existence if God have not created it?

[@truthrevealer771]

The Discourse Collective you said “If you're religious, and don't like being told you might be wrong about your beliefs, don't watch this video.” This statement tells me you will not mind if I *showed* you, you are wrong about your beliefs.

[@truthrevealer771]

Let me tell the people out there why The Discourse Collective have not answered the question "How did matter come into existence if God have not created it?" Atheists *believe* the Big Bang created all matter. The closest to evidence for the Big Bang occurred is Cosmic Background Radiation. If the Big Bang occurred then it would course a uniform background radiation. The background radiation is not uniform. In fact the big bang would course the whole galaxy to be uniform, which it is not. The background radiation has been observed with satellites outside our atmosphere so we know it is not generated by our atmosphere. But that is the extent of our knowledge about the background radiation. We do not know how far we are from the source or what courses it. If The Discourse Collective have said “The Big Bang has created all matter” then I would have said “Please provide evidence for the first stages of the Big Bang.” When The Discourse Collective has failed to provide evidence then I will show him his previous statement “Religion only works if the practitioners do so even in the absence of proof, thereby requiring faith.” The Discourse Collective’s inability to provide evidence for the Big Bang would proof that atheism is a religion to him. So The Discourse Collective has done with this question what atheists do with evidence for God’s existence. Atheists ignore evidence of God’s existence.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Atheists have nothing to say about the Big Bang; Atheism isn't about where the universe comes from, it's simply a lack of belief in the existance of Gods. There are Christians, Muslims and Jews that believe in the Big Bang theory, but as a method of God's creation, rather than from a scientific perspective. Just to be clear, you have the CBR problem slightly off, it's actually the fact that it IS so nearly consistent that is odd, not that it isn't uniform. Inflation theory helps explain some of that. we also have an excellent idea of where CBR comes from, we even have a map of it thanks to the COBE mission. As per your previous point, "If evidence of God's existence is provided to you then will you become a believer?"; I have nothing riding on if there is a God or not. It's not a big deal to me if there is or if there isn't. I've just never been presented with anything close to rational proof that there is.

[@andreworford9641]

To.add.atheist.to.my.death.

[@2fast2block]

And silly you thinks it ends there. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoSYk6h9o62JkNk

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Thanks for checking out the video 👍

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective you are proud of how you're leading people astray. Atheism has no evidence how we got all this naturally that can hold up, but that still does not bother you.

[@josephcollins6033]

I'll pray for you. Bahahahahahahahaa! Love when the idiots say that. Thanks for this!

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Glad you enjoyed. Same as when they warn you about how you should be worried about going to hell ... I just stand there with my mouth open like "yeah, I just said I didn't believe that!".

[@Drudenfusz]

Well... no, 1 +1 = 2 is not necessarily true, in modulo two it can be 1 + 1 = 0 for example.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

You're right, there are branches and operations in maths that allow for another result than 1.. I guess the point I was aiming for was "if you asked the average person in the street what is 1+1,what would they say?" Thanks for adding to the discourse!

[@trevorredden3064]

No one uses that number system.

[@Drudenfusz]

@@trevorredden3064 That is wrong, most rotary switches, like many electric stoves have use that system. Your ignorance is not a valid argument.

[@scottylynn7103]

Idk, seems to me trans substantiation followed by human ingestion = nothing short of cannibalism 🤔

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I'd have to agree, the whole thing seems pretty weird. If they're proven wrong, then one of their main ceremonies is shown to be a lie, if they are proven right, they're cannibals of 2000 year old dead flesh. That's a lose/lose situation in my mind! Thanks for joining the discourse 👍

[@scambammer6102]

chill man it's just bread

[@videshx818]

I never felt, experienced or understand or see god

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

It's interesting to me, as an atheist, that most theists assume I've never "looked" for God. I spend much of my 20's actually reading and visiting churches, of various denominations, to see if anything 'clicked'. I've read, talked and examined the spiritual side to my life, and never once felt the presence of a God. Thanks so much for checking out the channel.

[@2fast2block]

You're too stooo-pid to see much. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@joshuamartinpryce8424]

I disagree with what you said. You said, that the more we try to convert a God believing person the more they back up in their safe space. That is simply not true, i am an example of that, and on the flip side, its not true because youtube is full of former theists. To be lead into believing something can either be something good or something bad, depending on what it is, personal insight, and scriptural context. I believe in God for many different reasons, but the catch with atheists is, that we can doubt anything, atheists funny enough choose to follow men, and not follow spiritual context.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Upon reflection I think you're right, Joshua. I should have said "Most theists". It's been my experience that those with religious beliefs would sooner "not talk about it" that actually have their beliefs criticised. I'm from the UK, and the religious content there is pretty different to the US. When you say "choose to follow men", can you explain more? I'm an atheist, and I don't generally "choose to follow men". Thank you for your honest input, and for checking out the channel.

[@MuhammadShahzad-vw3vm]

First study the working principle of ears, eyes, nose , kidney, liver, heart and so on. Then you'll realize that we are made by a powerful creator. We are not the product of random mutation. No serious scientist say that we are made by chance.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Complexity from simplicity is literally the crowning glory of Darwin's theory of evolution. He showed how something complex like an eye can come from something simple like a light-sensitive cell, over millions of years. You're right, we're not made by chance; we're made from natural selection for fitness by random mutation. Many many serious scientists believe in evolution, in 2009 the figure was 97%, and I doubt it's dropped since then. Thanks for adding your views to the Discourse, all are welcome.

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective "He showed how something complex like an eye can come from something simple like a light-sensitive cell, over millions of years." He did?!! That's why you're an atheist, you'll take any stooo-pid remark as an explanation. You're so stooo-pid, you can't even see what an embarrassment you are. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmjLY3uNmLmql5Y

[@2fast2block]

@@lepidoptera9337 ok, give me some attention, you goof. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@aolish]

For me Atheism doesn't make sense at all because Evolution actually teaches the OPPOSITE of what I experience every day. Here's what I mean. An Atheist is someone who believes that something came from nothing, that Order came out of Disorder, information can come out of Chaos, that the rational came from the irrational, and that life somehow came from NON-life. That is COMPLETELY the opposite to what I experience on a daily basis. In my day to day activates, I only ever see the OPPOSITE of all of these things happening in my life but Atheism is teaching me they actually happened. You don't need a book to tell you God exist and you don't need your parents or anyone else to teach you that God exist. We know that God exist because of what we see around us. To say all this happened by happenstance, chance and luck is the very pinnacle of "BLIND" faith. This is why I believe Jesus is REAL and he said who he says he is. Let us be honest here, most of us are not on a TRUTH quest, but were on a HAPPINESS quest! Were just going to believe whatever we think is going to make us happy even if its something as ridiculous as believing that you can get "something from nothing." Napoleon said it best: "Man will believe in anything, as long as it's not in the Bible." The reason why people don't want to believe that God exist is NOT because of some intellectual reason, but rather its a HEART issue. They don't want it to be true! One of the reasons why is because people love sin, it tastes good, it feels good and it LOOKS good. The bible tells us that light has come into the world but people LOVE darkness rather than the light because there deeds are evil. I hope that this post will bring at least one person to Christ while there is still time. God bless you all.

[@austindavis4544]

I'm not trying to start a fight and no offense to anyone who is an atheist, but of course the concept of God sounds illogical to humanity. It would be absurd if we as people understood everything there is to know about God and He met all of our expectations even though He said He is not human, he is spirit and His ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts. Even if a man stuck his head out of the sky and said he was God, who would know if he was telling the truth. What criteria would you judge him by to come to such a conclusion that he is indeed God. Many people have questions about why God doesn't do this or that and that's why he can't exist. But science today is as advance as it's ever been but we have more questions about our world than answers despite the mountain of scientific data we have, but people don't discredit its validity because of this. Believing in God takes some amount of faith no matter how much proof you have. God is real, and he will reveal himself to you if you sincerely seek Him. Some people come to religion but never experience a true encounter with Christ and that's why their faith doesn't grow. Seek the Lord while he may be found.

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

Your points are very reasonably put and you've taken care in how you write, so no offence is possible :-) At it's heart, the discussion we're having is about understanding the nature of being human and how we experience things. You feel, subjectivly, that there is a God. I feel, subjectively, there is no God. Say I came to you and said that I could make you blissfully happy and content. When you ask me how, I smile and say "trust me". When you ask to speak to other who I've made happy, I show you a group of people who are neither happy or content. Lastly you ask how my method works, so I give you a book, written by me, with a bunch of nonsense written with a few quotes from other people. Would you trust me? I hope not! Theists do the same to Atheists. They ask us to believe in something for which they can provide no objective proof, has a long history of not working (remember Zeus? or Osiris? or Guānyīn? All forgotten Gods that their followers thought were real) , and whose primary "method" is a book written by those in charge of the church and heavily edited to suit it's purpose (which is thought control). Do you see while I'm sceptical? Thanks a lot for leaving your thought and joining the discourse!

[@roughsciences2537]

There's your problem....he's never been found. Or you would have proof by now and we all would believe....

[@austindavis4544]

@@roughsciences2537 You may not see Him physically but there is proof of His existence. It's just people don't consider it proof because they think their perception of life is the only true reality.

[@2fast2block]

@@roughsciences2537 "There's your problem....he's never been found. Or you would have proof by now and we all would believe...." How can there be proof presented to stooo-pid people like you? You don't think much and then you pretend that your able to recognize proof. You're F00LS! How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k

[@danielwiebe2123]

Twice, near the begin of the video you call yourself a “theist.”

[@scambammer6102]

he slurs over the "a"

[@TheDiscourseCollective]

I blame my lazy British accent! I'll work on that (or maybe it's a Freudian slip and I really want to believe!)

[@scambammer6102]

@@TheDiscourseCollective np your meaning was clear from the context

[@2fast2block]

@@TheDiscourseCollective you love being stooo-pid so stop lying. How did you get around the first verses of the bible with God creating and giving life? Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space, and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. We KNOW these laws. We have NO doubts about them. We also KNOW that the laws of nature can't come about without a Lawgiver, God. So if you want to pretend to be smart, please give me the laugh by giving your science how creation really happened by natural means. Also, throw in how we got the laws of nature, naturally. Life only comes from life. Law of biogenesis. God is the reason for us and all we have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJqwoq2ElL6Gjrc The odds are NOT there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWLCfHiMlqisl6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4icmJStr79_qc0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpXEooarqdlol9k