Why I'm Not Riding Chinaco

[@TrinityOaksFarm]

“A quiet crew is a good crew and a good crew is a quiet crew.” Unless you work livestock this statement won’t have the depth of meaning that it does to those who do. “A crew” can often be one person. If people could truly grasp this concept whether they have one head or hundreds their lives and the lives of the animals would be drastically different. Loved the video but this statement is the nugget of gold rolled across the table that really needs to be grasped. Blessing from Dalton, Ga.

[@diannahoda2589]

Mr Pat, you not only train horses...you train people in a lasting way! Thanks to you and Deb !!

[@hillbillylivestock4162]

Amen to quiet work in catching sorting cattle! We work our small operation on foot. Gentle cows get that way with quiet work. Thank you. Taylorsville, Ga

[@Sueg4332]

I just love you to pieces. Your so great. Most people don't know what a broke horse is. You make it plain and simple..most don't have ground manners at all. It is so important. Love your way....

[@lynnekinsey4041]

Its a real pleasure to listen to you,and watching your great learning videos.

[@Misseyj1001]

Hello, I am one of your insomniac followers who is a backyard trail rider from Michigan. Have been riding since I was about 9 that’s almost 50 years (well that’s public now?!?!) and this year I’ve been educating myself and my husband with your help and Windy Hill Farm in Millersburg, Oh. Oh, and by the way I love your history stories! Thanks so much for sharing! Janet and Tom Allen from Michigan

[@matttaimuty5397]

Your rationale for not riding Chinaco yet is right on the money. I can see that all the way from Maryland in my teeny cellphone screen. He'll be ready when he's ready. Not a day sooner.

[@woogaboogawiththegreenteet8436]

everything you say makes good sense to me sir, and i will heed your advice and experience, looks to me like chinaco is coming along fine,i had to say it again.thanks for sharing

[@thomasalicea8877]

Thank you again for the history and the legacy that you are passing on. I have learned so much from the content. It has inspired me to research more into the history. I also have plans on making a spade bit horse using what I have learned from Chinaco's journey.

[@lisabaker9036]

I realy like that you're talking about the age of horses and getting them broke. Alot of people just don't think anything of riding horses when they are not mature enough. Really makes me angry.

[@joelhamilton6720]

You are making horses humans and the world a better place

[@nancyk3615]

I also have 3 Iberian Warmbloods that I am raising! Now I know why I liked Chinaco!

[@sherrenmouradian7704]

Happy Birthday Pat

[@salisburysteak9641]

I love how much you care fro these horses. Its obvious youve found that treating them right gets the best result - and youre passing that knowledge on. Its wonderful how healthy and happy they are, they're true working animals.

[@annewolfe7414]

Thank you Pat & Deb for making your own history. Your videos are passing along knowledge, experience, and humor. I am a backyard trailrider, I am using your methods on a older mare, which is making me a better communicator and her a great trail partner. Thanks again from PA

[@IngelJansson]

Made me happy see this three years the back is still very soft not hardened until 7 year old ther know now

[@Upunda]

Good words as always, Columbia Falls, MT

[@gaylef3477]

Another great video, and subject. My horses are always older when the serious riding starts. I like to get the foundation and communication on the ground before I even think of sitting on them. I am so grateful you are documenting the adventures of Chinaco, as I am one who is following along and using your methods. I keep getting the question of when I will get on, and my answer is always - when it's time.

[@davidjones6557]

You make a lot of sense , Pat

[@trevormoger7360]

Always enjoy the history lessons , but I really like when you talk about quiet crews. I’m trying to instill this mentality into my teenage boys when we’re working the cattle. Awesome

[@mackgmoney1515]

That was the most polite "mind your own business" answer to why youre not riding chinaco sir 👏👏👏👏

[@dnulsrot]

I have breed Iberian horses for 20 years. I don't ride them before they are 4. When 6-7 they are ready for more work like high school dressage. But I school them slowly for years. But they get a long ground training, start with some things when they are 2. Interested, look at my video at Torslund, looks different from Pat's but we use the same principles.

[@pheonixaerialphotography8749]

Pat, greetings from Ontario, Canada, a new subscriber, this is the first video of yours I've seen and I love you already! No, I don't have a herd of anything, just 3 cats, I've only ridden a horse twice in my life, and never even heard of the breed of horse you have. You make it that I want to learn more, and then dream of living on a ranch somewhere. Speaking of horses, I grew up near Windfield Farms, the horses always waiting where we caught our school bus. Northern Dancer is buried here, the Canadian horse no one wanted, who won the Kentucky Derby. Perhaps you've heard of him, there's a wonderful documentary about him on You-Tube. Kindest regards, Linda.

[@KKIcons]

His wife Deb does such a beautiful job with the photography, too, don't you think? I am glad you found this channel. One of my favorite people was from Ontario, and that's the pianist Glenn Gould. He also wanted to retire to a ranch in Manitoba and rescue animals, did you know that? But alas he didn't live long enough.

[@seasands3486]

Good God, that smoke is thick!!! Be safe🌹 I love your philosophy...

[@Livefreejeeper]

Everything you do makes so much sense. Again I learn so much. Take it slow and build a horse. This virus has delayed us getting horses but I feel with each video I get more prepared for that day. We will be those back yard horse owners but much more knowledgeable thanks too you

[@chadbasan7698]

Hi Pat & Deb, just wanted to say my husband and I really love & appreciate your videos, you guys really are the best! If more people in my life could've worded things the way Pat does I probably would've grasped onto a lot more. So thanks for all the good information & humor, if you guys ever find yourselves in the White Mountains of AZ give us a holler! :)

[@ghettoyeti50]

Thank you sir. I did not ride my hot blooded mare till she was 3+. Too many horses are worked too early. Florida girl

[@dawnatishauser4223]

When I was a kid we didn’t ride a horse until they were 4 years old. When I was in my 30’s people were riding two year olds , but I noticed that those horses were physically breaking down. So I see why you should wait to ride a young horse.

[@dnulsrot]

Well, I have started 2 years old horses also :( It can be done, just for school them for carrying a saddle and a rider. Correct done and the horse remember it rest of it's life .As Chinaco and a pack saddle. When I introduce horsemanship i Spain long ago I could start many horses i a week but I quit that because they were over used. One video from one clinic in Spain, kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2mad4mYnrGbj6c

[@dwightcurrie8316]

I worked with Harness Racing Stables for a couple of years and saw up close how damaging to good Horses working them at 2 years old really was. I worked with a whole bunch of Good Harness Horses and all but a very few were Hurting in one way or another. At 2 years old their knees aren't fully formed & that opens up a whole World Of Problems, and good horses end up Ruined before they really get a chance to come anywhere close to living up to their potential, or just live Pain Free, or Un-Crippled(Is that even a word?) I have a 5 year old Mare that I'll start under saddle this coming Spring. She was born here on my place & is a big, Stout, Flat Boned, Hard Hooved Mare with no issues at all. She's full grown and ready to start making a Horse. At 72 I'm not gonna be doing any Bronc Stompin, just taking her along slow and easy. I'd hate to get her close to finished, and get Hurt by being Stupid & not get to enjoy a good solid ride for whatever time we get to spend together.

[@kengamble8595]

Well to me Pat, you answered the question of why you're not riding him yet with the keyword of " colt "! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍 👍

[@Cecilyeg]

At 2 1/2 he is still a baby for his breed type and looking at him physically.

[@micheledimichael5515]

I have worked with the smucker with my horse and they were great. If you ever come to PA for a visit I would love to come to a clinic

[@PatnDebPuckett]

If you see Mark or Sam Smucker in the future, please give them our best regards...

[@danfields3341]

I get the process of the bridal horse and breed differences... we/I get on and ride on long 2 year olds and go from there branding, loading pots, doctoring ect.... I don't watch your channel because I'm interested in bridal horses or the Californianio style... your horsemanship, knowledge and overall savvy... we all what a horse that's "been there done that"... well how much better is it to have a teacher willing to share his journey... catch is always a plus... PS; We had a smokey back drop here in eastern Colorado... we received 4" of snow (on 9/8)we got a little moisture and clear air...

[@clayoreilly4553]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom, Pat. I am using your techniques to the best of my ability. I have some really nice horses in my charge and I want to do right by them. Your suggestions are helping with that.

[@troybarbare9191]

Beautiful horse your sitting on

[@troybarbare9191]

Would love to own a horse one day that been trained/started by y’all, you both do amazing work with horses

[@vernonhasenkamp2980]

Another stellar class, with several lessons.. Kings River Nevada

[@michaelhiett6683]

Great video. I like your philosophy. Over the years I started colts at several Ray Hunt, Buck Brannaman, and Bryan Neubert clinics. Lots to learn from each of them, and from you, Pat, as well. I hope to visit with you or maybe come to one of your clinics one day. I don’t start many colts any more but I sure am interested in improving my horsemanship anytime I can. Thanks for your great videos and common sense philosophy.

[@jmad2328]

Doesn't matter what time of day or night. Love your videos Mr. Puckett! Gonna try to head out to Janesville to see ya. Adios señor Puckett- Johnny

[@msgr9499]

Thank you Pat!! I'm so close to them (Mark and Sam) it's crazy, tho I'm in a different State. If they're even half as great as you guys, I'll consider myself lucky! ❤

[@danwoods3768]

Be carefull in all that smoke. Great video, keep up the great videos, pardner.

[@skyrocketcoast219]

The weather is just awful with the high temperatures & smokey air: smart to just be out just a little! And little by little is just the best!

[@pamelamorris8976]

Thanks for the advice

[@rosariocisneros4293]

Smart makes sense I don't have horse but it's sounds like hard work.

[@catherinewoodsellerbeckhor7560]

Wonderful as always

[@peggybartlett9699]

You are a very wise man ! I have a three year old pure bred Lusitano. She is a 2x4 on tooth picks. All her ground work has been done well. I'm not a roper but have flipped a rope all over her and lead her by her feet - hobble broke her too. I will ride her at a walk - doing all fundamentals until she feels strong & balanced. I too, am in no hurry. She fusses with every bit I put in her mouth. I use as little pressure as possible but she is always "yacking". She drives me crazy when I put your bit in her mouth. Any sugges- tions?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

If you just walk, you’re going to create resentment and anxiety. Get her moving outside at a trot on a LOOSE rein over varying terrain. You won’t hurt her by going outside in straight lines. It’s the repetitive circling in an arena that is damaging to young horses, both mentally and physically. We have seen more young horses ruined by people staying in an arena and not allowing them to get freed up.

[@ericw3964]

I'm in Lake Hughes, I'd love the change to meet you sometime, I'm learning so much from your videos, thank you!

[@jenniferjacobsen7648]

Pat will be at my place doing a clinic Oct. 2-4 2020. Contact me for details. [e-mail]

[@silky2204]

I am working on bone density with my 6 and 2 5 year olds.

[@cheyennejt]

I live in northwest PA

[@Ornelascigars]

Mr. Pat, do you have a list of books that you read posted. I would like to read them. Thanks.

[@dianawilson13]

I'd love to hear what book you're reading about the horses of Hawaii!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Loyal to the Land Volume 2 by Dr Billy Bergin

[@stormmary1]

Love your philosophy ♥️

[@andrewcastillo9558]

Seen it pretty often, throwing gates to cut em off. If they don't turn back, they jam it up or pull it off the hinges.

[@jimspinner5681]

Enjoyed this one quite a bit - humor, history, horsemanship and stockmanship. I sleep just fine, by the way:)

[@KingsMom831]

As an anti-bit advocate, I have to say, I really love & appreciate your horse sense, horsemanship, methods & philosophy in general around understanding horses, the way they think and operate in communication with them. My hats off to you. If I could have it my way I would hope that anyone who does choose to use a bit would be doing it in a kinder gentler way, like the way you do. I am learning SO MUCH from your videos, thank you, from California 🙏🏼😊

[@PHILLYPHILable]

Pat, can you do an overview of the Californio bridle progression? Basal, snaffle, western bit, split reins, mecate reins, etc...Right now I’m using your snaffle, but am curious how to know when to take the next step, when I’ve overstepped....I’ve ridden my whole life in 4-H and trail riding, but only recently have discovered the western bridle horse tradition. I’m fascinated by it, but don’t want to put my horse in a position to fail. I am looking for an overview of the progression. Thanks for every video! I watch them all.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

For us, the progression starts with the halter, goes to the 5/8 bosal, the 1/2 bosal, the two rein, and the spade. We don’t use a snaffle when we make a spade bit horse. We also don’t ride a spade on an older horse that has already been ridden in a western bit. Some people incorporate the snaffle into the progression but we don’t.

[@MrSanteeclaus]

I went from a cowboy to hand on a breeders farm. In my opinion they started horses way too young. I felt those horses needed more bone development first. I totally agree with what you are doing with Chinaco. Again Thsnks for sharing. From Alabama

[@skipper9400]

good stuff....wish more folks in the horse game actually had some clue what they were doin' ... OnWard...

[@silky2204]

I have an OTTB that will not be ready until age 6. I go more slowly with her.

[@silky2204]

I like pre-ground work. Then get someone to ride them. But I had to do my own horses cause trainers will not get on the horses. Then when I ride them I have a zillion offers. I need to hire out.

[@sassy6292]

I set up five logs in the outside arena today and had an amazing time side passing and trotting in the ring, outside the ring and through it. We did what you showed us all to do and what a fantastic exercise it is. Also, I would love your opinion on the set up for the lope. I was taught to turn the horse’s head to the left and the left leg cues for the hip to move over to the right for a right lead and opposite for the left lead. My coach said that this method allows the horse to balance better for the lope off. I recently heard that this is the old fashioned way and that it is more correct to have the head and body rounded to the side of the desired lead. So the head should be over the right leg to lope off on the right lead etc. I’m not saying that the affect is obvious…it’s subtle. My Paint mare, Sunny, and I have shown in the pleasure class, the trail class and the ground classes. We are retired now and so we just relax and have fun. Your videos are a national treasure. Actually they are an international treasure. Thank you sir.

[@silky2204]

I use ground work all the time.

[@joelhamilton6720]

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

[@piche090391]

Mr. Pat are you going to eventually use Chinaco for working cattle out in the pasture? where I come from these horses are mainly use for pleasure riding and dressage.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Yes, he will be a ranch horse. We will aspire to using him for what he was bred to do, working cattle and doctoring in the pasture...kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3jOqZesps-Zb8k

[@lizcopeman4569]

my understanding is the spine isn't completely finished developing until the horse is over 5, and in the days when horses were our powersource they got started at 4... old school is best.

[@WesternWandererJM]

i always looked at it as if the horse left 6th grade after the first 30 days under the saddle. He can read and write but he doesn't necessarily understand it. In the Hackamore he learns more of the "Why" and graduates Highschool. Two rein is undergrad and the spade bit is his Masters. You are building a PhD horse...Most cowboy horses take a gap year after Highschool and never go back...

[@jackgarrett9563]

it isn't about riding him it is about preparing him.... that needs to be my base.

[@lazyheartqh]

I’ve heard it said that old timers didn’t put a spade in a horses mouth until he turned 5. This is when the mouth is mature they say, In your opinion at what age can you start to hang a spade on a horse just to pack? Is 4 too young?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

The rule of thumb is when the bridle tooth starts to break the surface, you can start hanging your horse in a spade.

[@lazyheartqh]

Pat & Deb Puckett thank you

[@troybarbare9191]

What’s name of horse your on and what bloodline/breed is he?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Shoshone is a grade gelding. By the look of him he is a draft cross.

[@troybarbare9191]

@@PatnDebPuckett he’s beautiful

[@MALKooTH]

KZbin 'Insomniacs' 🤭😂😂

[@vaqueritof7565]

what does "chinaco" mean to you? imterested in your answer

[@nancyk3615]

Me too.

[@Paul11B2P]

A Chinaco was a Mexican warrior who fearlessly fought off the French. Legend has it that they were tireless and very brave .

[@PatnDebPuckett]

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaco

[@liamrooney5133]

What's the difference between a horse being animated or gaited?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Animated horses have 3 gaits with elevated action. Gaited horses have distinct gaits that differ from the walk, trot, and canter.

[@TheFarmonRoute66]

Where are you from?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Weldon CA

[@danemoore9277]

What ever happen to that sorrel that was on like some golden 2 rein advice

[@PatnDebPuckett]

She’s semi retired at 21. I think she was 19 in the two-rein video.

[@danemoore9277]

@@PatnDebPuckett o she was a really nice horse. I liked her looks

[@wyominghorseman9172]

Wisdom.

[@silky2204]

The horses are not fully developed until 5 yrs. Right about Santa Anita.

[@joelhamilton6720]

Gentleman take the horse into consideration .... I am in the process of starting my Colt he is 1.5 I will not ride him until he's 3.5 thank you

[@Dimes4DaDevil]

Chinaco is gonna be broke real nice. Hope that smoke clears up with some wind.

[@rickraybourn7456]

Hi, Clinton Anderson is good with horses too.

[@silky2204]

Horse broke at 10 - cool!

[@silky2204]

Please watch his lungs.

[@doriennaraine3004]

Horse's bones don't fuse until they're 5 years old so no, I am not impressed that you can get on a young colt.