Why I'm Switching from Rokinon Cine DS to Sigma Art Series - Lens Comparison

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@CodakChris
@CodakChris 5 жыл бұрын
this is the exact reason why film makers should go do things for themselves and not base it off other filmmakers/youtubers suggestions . He preached about rokinon and shooting manual and im sure a lot of people bought them lenses just based off your video . and now here you are saying electronic lenses ... people do whats best for you and your situation
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. In fact, I don't use any of these lenses anymore. No right or wrong answer for every situation. Everyone's uses and needs are different. Important to look at dates of videos too. This one's over two years old. My original Rokinon video is over 3 years old. Cameras and lenses have evolved a good bit in that time. I'm now mostly using Rokinon SPs and Tokina Cinema Zooms.
@CodakChris
@CodakChris 5 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce i know the date lol just letting people know go whats suits you . and ive tried those also don't like the focus rings
@thenightowl_22
@thenightowl_22 3 жыл бұрын
@@CodakChris which lens do you like
@CodakChris
@CodakChris 3 жыл бұрын
@@thenightowl_22 sigma art lenses is my personal preference . maybe too sharp for others
@thenightowl_22
@thenightowl_22 3 жыл бұрын
@@CodakChris nice. Do you use the the ones in the cinema housing or the still lenses
@RexSmithII
@RexSmithII 7 жыл бұрын
I’m actually about to do the opposite of what you are doing I have the sigma 18-35 and yes amazing lens for sure, But one thing people seem to forget is it’s a photo lens not a cine lens.Since I shoot 99% video and in a controlled manner, I want a longer focus pull. I have a gimbal with a wireless follow focus and after many attempts with the sigma , the focus pull is very short just like with all photo lens, where the rokinon is litttle smaller and wieght and length and has a longer focuse pull alowing me to rack focus much more smoother.. I shoot on a gh5 and already have medabones ef speedbooster for full frame , so. Allowing an extra stop of light and lil wider fov with rokinon ef full lens kit If I could afford it I would just keep sigma and all others but the sigma is heavy and big and most of my shooting is on gimbal most of the time
@jasonsolis3393
@jasonsolis3393 5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this comment. I'm in exactly the same boat. I have the sigma 18-35 and the Rokinon 85mm, the focus pulling is my only concern with the sigma.
@frozenbrick
@frozenbrick 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, so I have my Rokinon DS set in the mail on the way, and I’m wondering if you had good sharpness when stopped down to T2.8 on the lens while having the effect of T2.0 on your image. Everyone says they’re not sharp wide open but retain sharpness at T2.8 so I thought a good hack would be using a speed booster so I could get the shallow DOF while retaining the T2.8 sharpness, or does it now work like that?
@rockstarweddingfilms9085
@rockstarweddingfilms9085 5 жыл бұрын
The xeens have additional coatings that the lower end Rokinon lenses don't have.
@Pierluca72
@Pierluca72 4 жыл бұрын
.. And more aperture blades
@Mordiax
@Mordiax 7 жыл бұрын
Really great review, almost no other person I could find made this a video with this much info. Super appreciated and valuable video!
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad it was helpful.
@Lyrikarion
@Lyrikarion 3 жыл бұрын
I will soon switch in the Other direktion, Form Sigma to rokinon. In my Case that has nothing to do with zoomrange. My sigma is also a prime. But I have a problem with focusing and you will probably experience the same problem. the thing is because these lenses are for stills the focusring dosnt work with a followfocus-system. I'm not quite sure how the sigma-focus-technology work but it has somethig to do with the speed how fast you pull the focus. the endrsault is that when i make marks on the Focus-System, after some fousing in the one or other Direktion the marks are not in the right place anymore. it is also not easy to calibrate the Focus-System because the sigma focusring has no hard stops.
@fourth1000
@fourth1000 7 жыл бұрын
Lens sharpness doesn't even really matter. 6k resolution will be softened in post because of how clinical and sharp it is. Peter jackson said on the first hobbit 5k resolution hurt the film. It was too clear and made the props look fake. So for the 2nd and 3rd installations they soften the footage. Film is soft. Softness is organic. Get a 4k or 6k resolution camera and shoot it through some vintage glass like nikon AIS lenses. Sharpness would only be a concern during the canon 5D and 7D fake 1080p era.
@sempahriders
@sempahriders 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I don’t like too digital looking video. Too sharp and it takes away the filmic looks. That’s why most people use promist filter.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 5 жыл бұрын
Sharpness and resolution aren't the same but are often conflated. More resolution tends to make a smoother more natural image (like more polygons make more realistic less jagged 3D images). Ugly sharpness is usually a result of bad compression and processing on lesser cameras. Promist is for those kinds of cameras.
@Arcanineisthebest
@Arcanineisthebest 4 жыл бұрын
Film is extremely forgiving, it has a lot of percieved sharpness because of the way the grain interacts with the footage. No, you can't achieve the same effect with overlays or with filmconvert or with resolve, Hollywood uses $400K equipment to analyze every single frame and apply certain amounts of grain depending on the luma values. With digital sensors, to get that ultra-clean look that digital is so good with, micro-contrast and what's called "3D pop" is very, very important. And it's irrelevant to the resolution of the footage. A canon 50mm f1.8 will always look flat no matter what resolution you're shooting at, but a Cooke prime will soften the out-of-focus background while creating a lot of pleasant contrast on any texture that is in focus...
@JohnDoe-vi8sm
@JohnDoe-vi8sm 7 жыл бұрын
:04 Dog Ass; 1:21 Dog Look Out; 2:44 Intense Dog Scrutiny/breaks the fourth wall; Dog Eating Those Plants Which You Were Wondering Why They're Not Growing; 6:11 Double Dog Dare; 11:06 Third Dog EVA; 11:51 Third Dog Recon #2. Oh! Lenses! Good points all, but DXO would suggest you are losing ( practically) a full t stop moving from Rokinon to Sigma ( 1.5 > 2.0), if that matters. Also research GL Optics conversions. That will save ya $ 500 a lens. But you also cleverly taught us about distracting backgrounds, you cunning film
@msrain1787
@msrain1787 7 жыл бұрын
John Doe lmbo I kept looking at the dog too!
@patrick4912
@patrick4912 7 жыл бұрын
Legend!
@avinashrawal7928
@avinashrawal7928 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah dude what the duck was he trying to say he doesn't even know 🤣
@coudik
@coudik 4 жыл бұрын
thank you
@richardparrington8636
@richardparrington8636 7 жыл бұрын
This has been the most level headed and fair appraisal of the Rokinons I've seen so far, all the questions one might ask are considered and answered. Thanks.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+Richard Parrington Thanks!
@50450720
@50450720 4 жыл бұрын
Even today in 2020 you still can’t beat the value of the Robinson/Samyang cinema lenses. The sigma f1.4 lenses are so easy and fast to use when you have to run and gun, but for my close up documentary style interviews, I always reach for my Samyang 85mm T1.5 cinema lens and my gh5, The focal length becomes 170mm which blows the background away, and allows me to get tight in on the talent without them feeling uncomfortable.
@tenchimod
@tenchimod 7 жыл бұрын
Wait, so you can afford two RED cameras but vetch about the price of the Sigma Cine lenses?
@mychalsimmons4177
@mychalsimmons4177 6 жыл бұрын
tenchimod Right????? Lol
@mychalsimmons4177
@mychalsimmons4177 6 жыл бұрын
True Cinema IS manual
@maxsaltin1001
@maxsaltin1001 6 жыл бұрын
yeah i dont get it, RED no problem but cinema lenses wth bro
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
For what it's worth, I'm down to one RED camera and have two Tokina Cinema ATX zooms now. Review coming soon. This is an old video.
@stephenpena7813
@stephenpena7813 6 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce i'm actually looking at both the Sigma art and the rokinon cine lenses. I have the 8-35 but have been mostly on photography up till now and yourealy helped see the good in both but thinking I might go sigma for now. Also don't pay attention to the other guys. "true cinema is manual" lol cinema is art and can be made however the artist manages to create it! A movie was made on an Iphone so I mean cmon lol keep up the great work though man!
@brunofavery1050
@brunofavery1050 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting review. I recently bought the Rokinon Cine DS Series.Your review on them had a high impact on me. I'm pretty happy with the results that i'm getting. Previously I had just the 24-105 and 50mm, both Canon Lenses. Just theses days I was having this conversation about carring less equipment to the job and how zoom lenses make the job easier sometimes. Altough I like the way prime lenses look like. I always get a feel of a cleaner scene with them. Now I see you switching to Sigmas (which is a lens that i love but don't have). I'm looking foward the see the results in the future and how your work will evolve with them. Regards from Brazil
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+Bruno Favery Yeah, I think there's no right or wrong approach. Everything evolves and just depends on what you end up shooting the most of. Haven't sold the Rokinons yet...
@brunofavery1050
@brunofavery1050 7 жыл бұрын
Sell the other ones and keep the 14mm. It's amazing how wide open is this lens... very usefull.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+Bruno Favery Well, but sigma just announced a 14mm F1.8 about a week ago. So thinking about getting that guy. Do love the 14mm though.
@brunofavery1050
@brunofavery1050 7 жыл бұрын
Moviesauce wooow major upgrade them. Go for it!
@Stephenan
@Stephenan 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I would do the same as the sigma zooms can't fully cover full frame sensors...
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, depends on what you shoot with. I did find that the 18-35 didn't cover the Weapon sensor well enough at 18mm. The vignetting was a bit more than on the Red Epic which was usable to me. So I've returned it and bought the 24-35mm F2 full frame zoom. The 50-100 covers the Weapon well though.
@DirectorIllyRock
@DirectorIllyRock 6 жыл бұрын
I own both brands as well and its beyond a noticeable difference. The Rokinin lenses have poor sharpness, which isn't too big a deal, but without proper exposure and lighting, they come out so muddy. Absolute opposite with the Sigma
@leroykincaide
@leroykincaide 3 жыл бұрын
If people never spoke about chromatic aberration in "The shining", shot with the zeiss super speeds, I believe it wont ever really be an issue, but only a preference of artistic taste. Good video man, its always good to watch review/update videos from other filmmakers. Keep on creating :)
@AlexDerrick_DP
@AlexDerrick_DP 7 жыл бұрын
I have both sets. But I discovered that I love zooms for cinematography, because there are certain types of dynamic shots you can only get with a zoom, especially one with a longer range. For example, there was a classic reverse zoom in Barry Lyndon during the duel scene which started really close and then pulled out to reveal a wide landscape. I think that classic scene was shot on a Cooke Varotal 25-250mm. Shots like that started making me rethink the idea of only shooting on primes. The Sigma 2x range is not really long enough for any kind of dynamic effects, so I don't think I will be upgrading to the Sigma cine lenses from the still versions. Especially since the optical quality is the same (if not a little sharper). And if I had to ramp the exposure during a shot I could pull it off with a variable ND. I will probably keep my Rokinon's and use them for stills photography. I would rather save a little and invest in something like the Angenieux EZ lenses or the Zeiss 21-100. Both of which look great, are light, compact, and have a lot going on in the character department as well as fantastic optical performance and a zoom range that will allow you to be a little more creative. Upgrading and investing in gear is so tough these days tho, because there are so many options. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and tests. Happy shooting and great video. -Alex IG: Pixelator_photo Twitter: @stealing_shots
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, everybody has a different combination of tools that work for what they do, and usually it's constantly evolving. I will be grabbing the just announced Sigma 24-70 Art, and probably a couple of the art series primes to cover my bases. I'm excited about their new 14mm F1.8 too.
@GuyRabiller
@GuyRabiller 4 жыл бұрын
For those still interested in the Sigma Art series but in a "Cinema" version, there are these from Cinematics which are much cheaper than the Sigma Cine lenses: The 50-100mm T2 EF: www.pchood.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=sigma&category_id=0&product_id=359 The 18-35mm T2 EF: www.pchood.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=sigma&category_id=0&product_id=356
@Enaman
@Enaman 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is useful! Thank you so much for taking the time to share this great review 🙏🏻
@DannyTaddei
@DannyTaddei 4 жыл бұрын
I have many of both lens companies. My thought is that the Rokinon by far is the best color. Sigma has auto focus. I believe they are two completely different animals and I wouldn’t do without either. I have canon L lenses too and in some cases those are great lenses and in others, the sign a kind of blows the away, such in noise for video. Just my humble opinion. I need them all.
@daveedsdreads1265
@daveedsdreads1265 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight. I recently discovered the awesome look of these rokinon lenses compared to my older dslr lenses but the technology in electronic lenses with IS and AF is getting better and better nowadays. A lot to think about!
@vjoneofficial
@vjoneofficial 7 жыл бұрын
I think if you tested these lenses wide open, you would be able to see the difference. Hence why we get fast apeture lenses. It's how they resolve detail - corner to corner, with minimal CA, minimal vignetting that puts the sigma ahead of the rokinon DS. Stopped down to 2.8 the differences start to diminish. At 5.6 they are wash. Performance is comprable. On the wide end though, the DS don't perform nearly as well as the sigmas. Especially the wider lenses.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
I did. The minimum aperture on the Sigma Zooms is F1.8. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4qsk3dom8eAq5Y
@allhalegibson
@allhalegibson 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the rokinons start to gain sharpness and lose CA around t2.8 and lose sharpness around t18 or so. Most lenses have this problem.
6 жыл бұрын
Rokinon and Xeen are not the same optics!
@jiwonbaeqdp
@jiwonbaeqdp 5 жыл бұрын
Although they look fairly similar unless you pixel peep, xeen has stated that they have a different grinding/polishing/coating process to rokinon lenses.
@oneofthedreamers
@oneofthedreamers 7 жыл бұрын
I'm considering getting a set of Rokinon Cine DSs - so just to clarify, the reason you switched back to the Sigmas was purely based on the convenience of having a zoom lens based on your shooting situations, correct?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
oneofthedreamers Yes. The Sigmas do feel a little sharper/nicer (and heavier) than the rokinons, but not to a degree that I wouldn't still recommend the Rokinons for the price point.
@agustawicaksono
@agustawicaksono 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, i do video work for my daily research project. i have wide angle and potrait lenses. now im looking for standart prime/not-prime lens. Which one do you think i should take regarding image quality and low-light performance, they are : Sigma 35mm f1.4 art, Samyang 35mm t1.5, Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 or Sigma 30mm f1.4? i shoot with apsc sensor, that’s why i need 35mm as a standart lens. Sharpness in the widest open is important since i work often at night videography.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on what's most important to you. Image wise you're good with either the Sigma or Samyang 35. Depending on the series of Rokinon/Samyang lens, you may be looking at full manual operation versus electronic aperture and autofocus on the Sigma, so that's a consideration. If you need more of a zoom range, the 18-35 is a good option. I'm also a big fan of the Sigma 24-35 F2 as well. If speed/low light is really important, I'd recommend waiting a few weeks for the release of the new Rokinon SP 35mm F1.2. I've got it pre-ordered and expect it to be one of my favorite lenses. I'm a big fan of the other Rokinon SP models.
@agustawicaksono
@agustawicaksono 6 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce My needs is 30 to 35mm lens (for medium shoot). I was going to buy Samyang 35mm t1.5 however it is soft at t1.5. Some people say that Sigma is sharper, but which Sigma version? 35mm or 30mm or 18-35mm. I myself have Samyang 16mm t2.2, it is sharp even at t2.2. i am happy with Samyang. However Samyang 35mm t1.5? is it good? or Sigma...
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
@@agustawicaksono Ultimately, it doesn't matter. If there was a clear winner, you wouldn't have to ask. Many professional cinematographers say there's no such thing as a bad lens. I'd say if you're happy with your Samyang 16mm, then stick with the Samyang 35mm so they have a similar look. The differences between the Sigma and Samyang are really more subjective. I shot a large portion of this movie with the Rokinon Cine DS 35mm, a lot of it wide open, and was very happy with the results: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYfHenp4iLasbZo I'd also consider just waiting a few weeks for this lens. It should be the sharpest and fastest 35mm lens on the market. 35mm is one of my favorite focal lengths to shoot at and I can't wait for this lens to come out: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1447148-REG/rokinon_sp35m_c_sp_35mm_f_1_2_lens.html
@agustawicaksono
@agustawicaksono 6 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce Exactly... I am using follow focus for my APSC camera. Adding Rokinon 35mm into my gear was the first idea. then i watched this and that review heard this and that comment, it doubt me. Since you worked with Rokinon before then i want to ask you, is it really bad to own Samyang 35mm?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
@@agustawicaksono No, I still recommend them to people, especially at their price point. In fact, I don't use any of the lenses in this video anymore. But that's really because I like to try them all. Right now, I have the Rokinon SP line with the 14, 50, and 85 (eagerly awaiting the SP 35mm), and a Sigma Art 24-70 and 24-35. And then my newest lenses are the Tokina Cinema ATX zooms 16-28 and 50-135 (awaiting the new 11-20).
@andinbriwel1092
@andinbriwel1092 7 жыл бұрын
I have 2 zooms and 2 primes - 24-70, 70-200 and 12 & 35. I always like the shots better on the primes and end up trying to move the camera to use the primes whenever possible, though the 70-200 gets some gorgeous shots. I'm always tossed about which way to go, but then remind myself that story is always more important than technical perfection. A little chromatic aberration or mild coma doesn't really distract from the story, but if I ever have the budget I'll have a case full of expensive primes, just because, lol.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have a similar mix right now as well. 20; 24-35; 50; 50-100, and 70-200. Waiting for the Sigma 14mm prime to come out as well. It's definitely easy to let the technology get in the way of the story. Important to always step back and try and work with what's available to you.
@andinbriwel1092
@andinbriwel1092 7 жыл бұрын
Moviesauce have you tried the zeiss milvus primes vs the sigmas?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+Andin Briwel I have not, but my hunch would be that the Milvus are a little better.
@SocialAsteroid
@SocialAsteroid 7 жыл бұрын
Great run down of pros and cons for each. I'm in the market for lenses and waiting for Black Friday... or...can I buy your old Rokinons, lol?! (I like the follow focus gear functionality)
@TheEdgeofYourSeat
@TheEdgeofYourSeat 6 жыл бұрын
What's the focus throw on the Sigma Art lenses? How many degrees from stop to stop? I'm hoping for longer.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
It's very short. I don't know the exact number, but they're primarily made for still photography and autofocus.
@TrillShatner
@TrillShatner 6 жыл бұрын
Rokinons are better (based on the video you displayed). Lower contrast is always better, due to post grading. The human eye also cant resolve at the resolutions the red shoots. You know this.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
Somebody needs to learn more about cinematography
@GrandGeneralKukov
@GrandGeneralKukov 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Wondering, how have you found the longer focal lengths on lenses without IS when doing handheld or shoulder-mounted. For example, when doing live events at 85mm or 100mm (with either, non-IS lens), is the footage useable? I assume shoulder mounted would be a bit better than hand held? Thoughts?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, really anything past 50mm you need shoulder support or a monopod or tripod. When shooting high frame rates you can get away with a little more since slow motion makes it. Even with IS, that's still a pretty good rule of thumb to stand by.
@mailjabber
@mailjabber 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Yes, CA is bad! It was eliminated with computer grinding introduced to lens production in the 80s. We do not want it back!
@830Video
@830Video 6 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the dog in the back. Whats your thoughts on using all rokinon cinema lenses on an A7sii for proffessional work?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
I can't speak from personal experience using the A7sii, but theoretically they should work great.
@830Video
@830Video 6 жыл бұрын
Moviesauce I have been loving the results so far. So much in fact that I replaced all of my lenses with them. Work with a lot of fitness influencers, and these make some incredible shots in every situation. Can’t wait to use them on some other w to like weddings or something. I have the 35mm and A7sii as my steady cam rig and wow, speechless
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I loved the 35 when I had it. Probably the one I used the most. Great focal length.
@KienDLuu
@KienDLuu 6 жыл бұрын
That terrible lighting was so distracting lol. Thanks for the review though, I'm thinking about pulling the trigger and getting rid of all my photo lenses for a full set of the Rokinon cines
@matthiascieslik5301
@matthiascieslik5301 6 жыл бұрын
I actually think that the sigma is significantly better looking.
@peterbetts8952
@peterbetts8952 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see sigma make a 18mm-45mm f2.8 art lens with good OS. at the moment the 17-50mm f2.8 focus throw is a little short, and the 18-35mm f1.8 as amazing as it is lacks optical image stabilisation. (Canons CN-E 15.5-47mm T2.8 is also way too expensive for owning)
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
There is the new 24-70 f2.8 art that just released. Probably gonna pick that one up.
@peterbetts8952
@peterbetts8952 7 жыл бұрын
for a full frame camera like the red weapon that would be a great lens. on super 35 I find 24mm to not be wide enough. however for super 35 (aps-c) there isn't a lot of good budget options. so far the best is the canon 17-55mm f2.8 IS (which is ef-s lens, and noisy af motors, focus throw isn't great). I'm looking at a canon c200 for shooting RAW video using the dual pixel af (I don't often have a 1st ac for wireless follow focus), and am wondering what lens to pick up for run and gun when I need good optical image stabilisation. (seems the 17-55mm f2.8 is the only affordable option. Sigma and Tamron really should look at updating there 17-50mm lenses with better af and larger focus throw distance imo)
@vyse75
@vyse75 7 жыл бұрын
I am in the exact same boat. I have the 17-55 and am practically BEGGING to see someone put out an update to that lens, IS included. I'd buy it day 1.
@rafaelthewizard
@rafaelthewizard 5 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but the Rokinon doesn't have the same Cristal as the Rokinon Xeen you can check the video comparison
@primeiroplano-audiovisuais829
@primeiroplano-audiovisuais829 6 жыл бұрын
"Absolute Dark Knight" ! ;) excellent choice!!
@eaeproductions1
@eaeproductions1 7 жыл бұрын
But those sigma lenses aren't really for full frame cameras are they? They are designed more for aps-c sensors. I have the 18-35mm and i get that horrible barrel effect when zoomed out to 18mm. Good review!
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
RED's aren't full frame. Just their 8k VistaVision sensor is. Everything else is closer to APS-C. There is a little bit of vignetting on the Weapon at 18mm. I ended up selling the 18-35 and getting the full frame 24-35.
@aleksandarkuraica3229
@aleksandarkuraica3229 7 жыл бұрын
You are giving people advice but don't realise that what you said is completely wrong. The xeens don't give you the same image as the rokinons lol. The grounding process is different and the coatings are as well. The image on the Xeen is vastly superior.
@niquoOG
@niquoOG 7 жыл бұрын
that is what i'm thinking, and oh boy, don't even mention the focus breathing, professional cinematographers will know the difference in between the xeen and the samyang
@actorboy381
@actorboy381 7 жыл бұрын
Vastly superior image? Not necessarily. A bit sharper yes, but that doesn't equate to VASTLY superior, lol!
@PhillipRPeck
@PhillipRPeck 6 жыл бұрын
They're not vastly superior. I've used both. And the Xeens have about the same focus breathing. Not worth the price if you're an owner/operator
@actorboy381
@actorboy381 6 жыл бұрын
TechSpecific thank you!!!
@JohnJonesRocketCity
@JohnJonesRocketCity 6 жыл бұрын
And the rokinon lenses have a color cast that is not as natural as the xeen series also.
@ChristopherDobey
@ChristopherDobey 7 жыл бұрын
The face is the branches shots were comical. 'They're the exact same optical quality' How is different coating (creating a different tint) + different bokeh + far less focus breathing exactly the same optical quality? I like that you mentioned that you've never had clients complain about chromatic aberration, a great reminder to our tech spec obsessed generation that there is more to a product than a info sheet.
@fololyon251
@fololyon251 7 жыл бұрын
what were your dogs looking at
@BIGAACE
@BIGAACE 7 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the honesty
@lalotz
@lalotz 6 жыл бұрын
as i understand it there are big differences in Prime lenses and Focus lenses or else why even have Prime?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
lalotz primes are historically much faster than zooms. These sigma zooms are unique because they are unusually fast at f1.8.
@lalotz
@lalotz 6 жыл бұрын
i have a sony a7iii which len do you think its best?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
You buy a lens based on your needs and budget. rather than the idea of what brand is better. You can get more primes for cheaper with the Rokinon. But if you can only get one or two lenses, they should probably be zooms so you can do more with them. Zooms are better for documentary work or run and gun shooting so you dont have to swap as often. But primes can look better with their shallower depth of field.
@lalotz
@lalotz 6 жыл бұрын
Moviesauce this the zoom I'm looking at, Sony Full Frame 24-105mm f/4 Standard-Zoom. thoughts? I'm looking to do photography but I'm more interested in cinema
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
Not a bad range to start with, but I might recommend trying to find a good zoom at F2.8. Like a 24-70 F2.8 is a good all around lens. F4 is a little slow for indoor or lowlight shooting.
@hesamjafari9738
@hesamjafari9738 5 жыл бұрын
DON`T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON ROKINON. Yesterday I switched to Sigma Art 18-35 and finally get rid of those so-called Cine Lenses by Samyang. Repaired 35 t1.5 2 times in a year! (Focus and Aputure) and the 24 t1.5 focus was broken at the end of the year. Very low-quality internal mechanism.
@JohnDoe-vi8sm
@JohnDoe-vi8sm 7 жыл бұрын
STOP THE PRESSES. I think you will need full frame lenses to cover the Weapon sensor, and then still maybe some vignetting with wides. Only a test will tell what the image circle is on a given wide angle.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+John Doe Only a little vignetting at 18mm on the wide zoom. The 6k Weapon sensor is just slightly larger than APS-C. It's the 8k Dragon Vistavision sensor that's full frame.
@garryluthraphotography
@garryluthraphotography 6 жыл бұрын
HI BRO HRU IAM GARRY FROM INDIA IAM WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER WHAT I IAM USE LANS CAN U SUGEST ME LANSES ? I AM GOING PURCHES A7III CAM
@TeamTaur
@TeamTaur 4 жыл бұрын
Short answer to the title: Because I finally have the money to do so. Lol. Cheers. No harm intended. Stay blessed
@OmniVisionElite
@OmniVisionElite 6 жыл бұрын
Art are not full frame though?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
Not these zooms, no. The Art primes lenses are full frame though.
@dh1163
@dh1163 5 жыл бұрын
Sooo it's not that you're switching to a decidedly superior set of lenses, it's just a matter of convenience, really. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :c) I thought I was going to hear something that was going to make me run out tomorrow and sell my Rokinons. lol
@HamiltonWard
@HamiltonWard 7 жыл бұрын
Has your opinion changed at all since you've posted this?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
+Hamilton Ward I'm gonna do a follow up video in the next few days. This is one of my most popular videos, and I have a much different lens kit now. Still mostly sigma arts though.
@HamiltonWard
@HamiltonWard 7 жыл бұрын
Moviesauce I'm really looking forward to that, thanks! Recently bought a GH5 and the Sigma zoom lens seemed great for it. Keep up the great content!
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 7 жыл бұрын
New lens video. Didn't really talk about MFT cameras/lenses like you're in the market for, so all of those lenses will work/look differently with GH5 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWiyf6htjZuslas
@longshot4484
@longshot4484 5 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce what about now
@xkambing
@xkambing 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah rental lens, thanks for the review.
@fourth1000
@fourth1000 7 жыл бұрын
rokinons are great bang for the buck and sharp! If you want cine lenses. skip the toy cine lenses like xeen and sigma. Rent cook lenses. you'll get all the bitches!
@azr1989
@azr1989 6 жыл бұрын
Batman Fan! 👍👍👍
@giosanfilippo
@giosanfilippo 6 жыл бұрын
those dogs!!! hahahahaha
@deboadekale8016
@deboadekale8016 6 жыл бұрын
wait, are you batman?
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 6 жыл бұрын
I like to think so.
@timlozinski1422
@timlozinski1422 7 жыл бұрын
lol- the dogs.
@youssefadam9662
@youssefadam9662 3 жыл бұрын
Sigma & Rokinon are not the dame at all.. sigma are much better and beautifully sharper, Rokinon gives bit of a weird greenish & dirty look
@dennisvanderben2719
@dennisvanderben2719 5 жыл бұрын
xeens have coatings n shit that the cheapo rokinons dont (less abberation and shit like that!
@kuttycards2659
@kuttycards2659 5 жыл бұрын
No, nothing compares to the look you get from a ZEEN sorry buddy.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 5 жыл бұрын
It's a Xeen, buddy
@kuttycards2659
@kuttycards2659 5 жыл бұрын
you're right buddy boy
@gravitygeneration6179
@gravitygeneration6179 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the nice review but you can be better
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review review
@gravitygeneration6179
@gravitygeneration6179 5 жыл бұрын
@@Moviesauce for real i hope you get more and more subscribers.
@Moviesauce
@Moviesauce 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I dont put a ton of production value into my reviews because it's a side thing for me. Got a commercial production company I run full time. It's just a quick way for me to share my thoughts.
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