Why I Made... Murder Among The Mormons | The Story Behind The Documentary

[@amyrenaud7589]

I could not even pause this series. It was absolutely riveting.

[@bagnasbayabas]

I wish Nenflix would soon make a movie about the life of Joseph Smith. I mean the unfiltered life of Joseph Smith.

[@jeremysmith9694]

Yeah I agree. Him meeting Moroni, translating the plates, his people being driven out of their homes by mobs, all the way up until they murdered him while in prison unlawfully. I would love a movie like that.

[@bagnasbayabas]

@@jeremysmith9694 nobody would watch that except you and the members of the church. People will watch a video, if it is unfiltered, no cover ups, no deleted scenes and non Mormon production.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@bagnasbayabas Well that's what you'll get if you want an accurate depiction of history.

[@bagnasbayabas]

@@jeremysmith9694 There is no complete and accurate details when a Mormon production is involved in the movie. Can you ask your bishop or your stake president why did Joseph Smith was killed by mobs? Because I know the answer. Can you also ask them who is Fanny Alger? Because we also know the answer.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@bagnasbayabas Asking my bishop something all of us as members already know sounds like a terrible idea and a huge waste of time. Maybe you should ask your bishop.

[@vergelsevilla3594]

I watched this & was caught in awe. Amazing story-telling. I'm surprised all the time & was really shocked that Hoffman was the culprit.

[@sacredcoaching7332]

What an amazing job. I had no idea and I’m 56. Thank you. I binged straight through. Absolutely insane

[@briahisreal1]

I haven't looked through all the comments to see if this is answered already, but I would love to see you continue with the other seasons under this title. My family was on two hit lists growing up, Lafferty's and LaBarons. These were overlapping in time frame with the Hoffman story. I can imagine the pain of going through these stories again for the people involved, but the catharsis needs to happen. Mormons are suffering from some deep generational trauma of being exiles and trying to assimilate with a very strange and violent past. Thanks for doing such a great job (imo) with this!

[@alchristensen8121]

"Whoever can tell the best narrative seems to control the truth." It has always been that way. History is written by the winners, etc.

[@kimmychan1967]

I would like to see the unedited version.

[@LeslieKlinger]

I am going to be watching this over the next few days. What I am taking away from this interview is that the filmmakers approached this with love and with caring. Too often there is a kind of over-the-top attitude of 'ATTACK THE SPIRITUAL BELIEFS OF THE PEOPLE' in these documentaries. I know that the weakest aspect of every spiritual philosophy is going to be the human beings trying to adhere to the precepts; what I am interested in is the facts and what those facts reveal about the attitudes of the people involved. It sounds like this is the approach they used. I am interested in viewing this film.

[@LeslieKlinger]

@Jian Ma thank you for your feedback. Have a great day.

[@johne.christensen7147]

I was always surprised that Hoffman didn’t ditch that l Letterman jacket immediately.

[@rideordis810]

Great documentary. I’ve always been fascinated with the lengths the Mormon church goes to to hide the truth. All churches do it, but living in Utah I have a firsthand glance at watching Mormons. A lot of very flawed judgmental Mormons in Utah. Whenever I hear people talk about how pious and kind Mormons are, I know they’ve never had to live among them in Utah.

[@JAlexanderCurtis]

Its funny you say that because I feel the same way. Whenever I hear someone say, "The Mormons are so nice", I always think, "you've never seen how backstabbing, cutthroat, vindictive, unethical, and malicious they are behind closed doors - even among their own". Granted a lot of it rubs off from church leadership. Since the church's original days, they have always believed that the ends justify the means. So you end up with a lot of "holier than thou" where anything I do is justified because I have God on my side. The church has a lot of very scary skeletons in its very deep and dark closet. They hide a ton of stuff away in a literal vault they made that is built into a mountain. They hide it to control the narrative of their church from their own members, which is really how Mark Hoffman was able to manipulate them so badly. Hoffman could claim he had something that would expose the church, and the church would buy it from him and hide it away before anyone found out. All of Hoffman's deaths were ultimately because of the "McLellin collection", which contained the supposed "McLellin Diary". The church leadership was so scared of what this diary could expose that they were willing to pay $300k (in 1980 money) to keep it hidden. Little did they know that church leaders about 50 years earlier had already found this diary and hidden it away in the mountain vault. The current church leaders didn't even know about it. That would have exposed Mark as a fraud from the beginning because they knew he couldn't have the McLellin diary because the church already has it. But they literally didn't even know their own secrets until about 15 years later when during an inventory of the vault, someone realized they had the diary all along.

[@najidelarosa]

We are all humans after all

[@Operamoms]

How was the truth hidden? We have a lot of history. I think it's okay for the church to focus on the good, educational and doctrinal sources.

[@characterwheaties]

@@JAlexanderCurtis This is the most overly dramatic take on the Mormons I’ve ever seen 😂

[@redcurrantart]

It’s too bad they didn’t go more into the Tanners and their role in all this.

[@richardholmes7199]

What do you mean?

[@JAlexanderCurtis]

In what way? The Tanners had only passing interactions with Mark. They were the first ones to call out his works as forgeries (even though it would have helped their cause if the stuff had been authentic). But everyone in the Church was taught to not trust the Tanner's so almost no one listened to them. The church was claiming his stuff was authentic, so everyone trusted the church.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@richardholmes7199 Don't you hate when somebody goes into a thread and makes a cryptic comment and ignores questions for clarity? Dang.

[@richardholmes7199]

@@dreamingrightnow1174 It's a bit common among the anti-Mormon crowd to ignore. Case in point. Have the anti-Mormon Google Paul Gregersen debunked the Egyptologists you tube, then tell them to get back to you. What do they do? IGNORE it.

[@losttribe3001]

@@richardholmes7199 Here you are again. Do you really get your information from a KZbin Mormon apologists who has a vested interest or all the highly educated Egyptologist who have the Rosetta Stone?!? Mormonism is the most debunked religion in the world!

[@Nay20109]

Never heard of this when it happened, but when I tell you I was shocked by the ending, wow did not see that twist coming.

[@davevanfunk8917]

Binge-watched, and I don't normally do that. Kudos.

[@pattykake1076]

And the LDS leadership thought they had managed to sweep this scandal under the rug. What a testament to their complete lack of Prophesy and Revelation. God’s mouthpieces.... Not.

[@josephsmith7015]

The church has always been about protecting its good name and they will buy whatever they can to protect the members from lossing their faith. I think they should open up that vault and see what else they got in there.

[@pattykake1076]

@@josephsmith7015 I agree... people can spend their lives in service to the mormon corporation, without knowing the truth about the coverups and whitewash. It’s a shock when you find your trust has been betrayed. 🥲

[@michelereber8680]

@@josephsmith7015 Oh my gosg, yes! Open that fault!!

[@jeremysmith9694]

What does this have to do with them not having prophesy and revelation? Since when do they have the ability to stop criminals?

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@pattykake1076 That's assuming you know the Lord's will. Since when does the Lord step in and stop all bad things happening to the church? You don't know much about church history if you think that's the case.

[@iremainproductions4827]

Season 1 Episode 2 at around 8:44 in to the video while they are showing the Hoffman family photos. The Father who is on the top right of the photo blinks in the photo. Did you put that in to see if anyone caught it?...rofl

[@zakmain9096]

7:03 help me find this song please ?

[@NDF1138]

Ludovico Einaudi - Experience ...I heard it too and had to find out as well

[@cenk82]

My takeaway: how unnecessary this religion is. And an extraordinary con-man.

[@michelereber8680]

Con man. Unnecessary the religion. 100% correct.

[@jeremysmith9694]

Really weird takeaway

[@anthonybrown3018]

My takeaway: I want a Toyota MR2

[@dmn3773]

An extraordinary con-man which reinforced ideas that keep people believing in garbage? Hmmm...

[@REDEYEDFEELiN]

No more of a con man then the guy who started it all

[@brazenbunnies]

Is Sandra Tanner in the movie?

[@at_the_door]

Yes

[@josephsmith7015]

Yes she is awesome

[@Foghorn-tr1je]

Very briefly

[@jeremysmith9694]

Unfortunately yes

[@pattykake1076]

@@jeremysmith9694 She is a legend for revealing the truth about Mormon Corp. and it’s deceptions. 👍🏽

[@losttribe3001]

Gift of Discernment fails again!

[@jeremysmith9694]

And yet the church lives on. Not even criminals have stopped it.

[@losttribe3001]

@@jeremysmith9694 As a former Mormon, I think we hold onto “bad” belief systems for many reasons. Parents, community, indoctrination, social pressure to fit in, psychology, our ability to seek confirmation biases, lack of being taught critical thinking, flawed epistemology, brain chemistry...etc, etc, etc. So I don’t blame members for still believing, the same way I don’t blame other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Sikhs. But as I am now an atheist, I do think we can shed bad beliefs and do better. It just will take sometime. Luckily we live in an Information Age and I’m already seeing many Mormons learning if the flaws in Mormonism.

[@karenvanessan.2000]

@@jeremysmith9694 a lot of bad organizations still alive. The fact that the church is still alive doesn't mean anything.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@karenvanessan.2000 It does mean something. That means it still has a chance. It means it's still around. It may not mean everything, but it definitely means something. If the church were half as terrible and deceptive as some claim then half the leaders would be sitting in jail for actual crimes like Mark Hofmann or Warren Jeffs. It's a great sign for the church.

[@ktrump5882]

@@losttribe3001 There are flaws in every "belief system." Please tell me where I can find this false eutopia thats inferred from your comments??? There isn't such a thing because HUMANS are involved. This imperfection however doesn't mean that YHWH doesn't have a plan for us or exist. There is so much importance in the Torah, Tanakh, NT and Book of Mormon. You should read the KJV Bible and align yourself with the Church that best fits the description of characteristics according to the Bible. There's a way to know the truth John 14:26 and James 1:5. AFTER finding the characteristics of YHWH Church.

[@Operamoms]

I feel sad for those who left their faith over the Salamander Letter.

[@rodriguezmel7970]

Fan #1 ✋🏻

[@brickstudiotv3748]

I think it would be fun to make this story into a movie, not a documentary.

[@michaelvea8246]

The problem with "true story" movies, they tend to Hollywood-ify it, making it more exciting and twisting some facts. Distorting the actual truth.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

@@michaelvea8246 So true. This story makes you want more facts, not less.

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

I think the reason he probably won't ever talk is because he's in a place where his skill set isn't needed. He probably feels like a nobody (by his definition) every day. At least I hope so.

[@RamBo-we9ii]

No one is going to explain the hot tub party comment?

[@animatorcol]

Loved it!

[@LeonSandoval]

“We live in a post truth era...?” Tell me more.

[@morgellon9449]

You want the post-truth? You can't handle the post-truth!

[@LeonSandoval]

@@morgellon9449 🤣🤣🤣

[@r3l4x69]

100 billion sequestered away. Just think about how much money that is

[@DanielDavidsonJessicaLDonk]

They used railroad spikes as seen here on Portland Rd. Salem, Oregon. Weird

[@conniestahl9182]

It's sad that Mark had a gift but instead of using it to make the world a better place, he used it to hurt the Mormons verbally and physically.

[@carenann918]

Hot tub parties? The world needs to know!

[@OffeJ83]

Weird hot tub parties? I’m intrigued hahha

[@blazefairchild465]

I remember when the these historic papers were found , when someone brings up the third “find” it gets fishy . How people continue to fall for the same trick over & over and the con man continues the hoax over and over is sad .

[@goeziemoemoe9238]

More stories of this cult from " under the banner of heaven", but you guys know this, so right, balancing between non mormons and ex mormons, it's formative for all off us, even Europe needs this🤥😖

[@donnababi5767]

What...weird Hot Tub parties???...I enjoyed watching this ....I think there probably was so much more to it..but I got what he did....he was a creepy smart nerd that got away with what he did for awhile...his greed stepped in it got way over his head..sad life had to be lost....now he is where he belongs..I have learned so much about the Mormon Church ...shocking stuff...I am now a Christian...I no longer consider myself Mormon...they have way to many secrets...it would be interesting to see if he is still that creepy nerdy guy...with little or no feelings for anyone but himself...sad..😔🙏

[@samsmom400]

The higher a man goes in the church, the more corrupt he is. He has to sign a contract saying that he will never disclose what he sees or hears. The church is completely corrupt and involved in child trafficking and sacrifices, drug running, and pedophilia. Not to mention the murders of people who tried to escape the cult. If they are at the top, you better believe they are completely compromised.

[@goeziemoemoe9238]

Wish you could focus more on the fraude from mormonism, but that's more work and executive work, step by step😔😬

[@thomasthompson6378]

Numerous books and many documentaries have already been made about this famous event in American history. It's like throwing a great big dead horse up on a table and beating it.

[@FerrisBueller-lj9zj]

That was a good documentary too

[@Themanyfacesofego]

And watching it miraculously come to life!

[@LeonSandoval]

We get it. You know more about this story than these guys do. Great. I had never heard of the Salamander Letters nor Hofmann before this documentary and it was fascinating to me.

[@yidiandianpang]

What are the other documentaries?

[@juul4277]

among us

[@FuningtonRL]

Pog

[@mohammadrezakhani2539]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@wantfun4311]

The comments are liked by viewers..?

[@ninahallstrom4151]

To all of you people out there.waiting for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints to be destroyed. Why not just admitthat you cant live what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints teaches.

[@michelereber8680]

Nina...Such a typical answer from a Mormon. Rude, thinking they are better than everyone else, VER judgemental. I was Mormon for 57 years. And what I just said is very true about the Mormon church. I am ashamed that I was ever rude or judgemental to anyone. The Mormon church is 100% made up by Joseph Smith. So thankful so many Mormons are leaving this false religion.

[@michelereber8680]

One other thing Nina. I did not leave the church because I wanted to sin or just didn't want to go to church or any other reason. Which I guess is typical in about. 90 % of the ex members. I left because I studied my way out. 75% of the time I researched and studied. It was from church approved books, anything the church put out. So you see...people leave the church because it lies, has many secrets, and is so easy to get brain washed. I guarantee there are top dogs in the LDS church that know all the lies. They 'have' to stay silent because if they don't they could loose their jobs, be shamed, accused and rumored about. That we NEVER had a testimony and was not a faithful member. And blah...b blah...blah. To try and save the churches name. The LDS church needs to be transparent about ALL the lies it has been telling since the time the church was started. Why don't you go somewhere else...like an LDS site so you can get warm-fuzzies. And stop being rude to exmormons. You would feel much better about yourself.

[@jeremysmith9694]

@@michelereber8680 If you can leave the church over church approved books, how can so many read the exact same material and stay in the church? That doesn't make sense.

[@pattykake1076]

@@michelereber8680 You are so right... and once you have been warned, it behooves you to warn others. Members are now leaving in droves 👍🏽

[@richardholmes7199]

Have the anti-Mormons Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) you tube''. It sends the anti-Mormon on the run.

[@icecreamladydriver1606]

You were just trying to make a dollar off the suffering of others and make the Mormons look bad by the title. He was an individual who happened to be a Mormon and you made it sound like it was the church that was involved. Pretty sad.

[@samsmom400]

You need help. The leaders of the church are very bad and they showed who they are. How could you miss that?????

[@richardholmes7199]

A distasteful video.

[@KendraAndTheLaw]

To you.