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[@natemichalak9759]

As a philosophy major, I noticed there are only 4 types of majors: future lawyers, future philosophy professors, seminarians, and those who want to watch the world burn. Makes for interesting discussions.

[@fish-fy5sh]

i disagree. i dont think math and most science majors fall under "those who want to watch the world burn". if that is what you are trying to say

[@natemichalak9759]

@@fish-fy5sh no haha I mean more of the nihilistic type

[@devinlefebvre1771]

Some men just want to watch the world burn 🔥

[@JerrySeriatos]

and future doctors so there are the four schools of a traditional university

[@johnhauk2885]

By the look of things, the world is going to burn anyway, if you're a philosophy major or not

[@johnhauk2885]

I was a math major, and i changed my major to Philosophy. Why? Because I came to the unsettling conclusion that money and wealth is a social construct that all of us in society have agreed to; by perpetuating that idea that money and material gain is what we must focus on, we as a species and we as individuals will never be able to move forward. If all you care about is what you will use your major for, enter a job that makes you stressed and unhappy, then yes, don't study philosophy. If you just want knowledge, and the skills that allow you to dig further into things, philosophy is the way to go.

[@relawd8085]

this was the most philosophy major response possible

[@WHOAM1894]

Tell me your major without telling me your major. Too bad you told me your major and the logic of this joke doesn't make sense in this context.

[@MilitaryAV]

i’m sure you’re fun at parties

[@sarahpachano619]

That’s actually quite interesting, and true, I was an electrical engineering major and couldn’t handle having the well paying office job that made your life a working not thinking machine for money. And I feel like there’s a lot of majors out there that the only thing they’re able to offer you is money. And I need to believe that life at the end of the day, does not matter how insignificant pieces of shit we are we should be able to enjoy and learn and grow on life and not just follow the money right? And I believe philosophy shows you everything else that the world offers you, and yes you can make money in philosophy, but the whole point of philosophy is and should be being able to look at the physical world for what it is and more how it ought to be.

[@johnhauk2885]

@@sarahpachano619 I agree with you 100%. I understand the physical world, culture and society more now than when I was a math major. What I found to be the greatest lesson is the ontology of the human race, and how we fit into this world.

[@theekhalilabre]

I want to get a PhD in philosophy. I'm a problem solver and a deep thinker. I already have a long list of work history and honestly, as someone who has worked in management and as a CEO of her own business, I would be happy to one day hire someone who majored in Philosophy. Ppl who can critically think and write efficiently is something that is severely lacking in a professional setting. There is so much you can do with these humanity degrees, don't let anyone tell you anything different.

[@Tom-et2cd]

So basically you’re looking for someone that’s specializing, probably business psychology. The thing with philosophy is that it is such a vast field and niche…

[@blackdragonlag]

The only issue is you're going to have a bunch of critical thinkers that can't make anything or reasonably contribute to anything that will help your company. You learn how to critically think and write effectively (or you're supposed to) during K-12. The reason people don't hire philosophers is because they don't produce anything people actually want. Want safe food? You need biologists and chemists. Want secure internet and websites? You need software engineers and network security people. Want to drive across a bridge that won't crumble? Civil engineers. You get where I'm going with this. Philosophers are just not something people really need to sustain a certain quality of life.

[@Vivi-vg9lx]

@@blackdragonlag yes and no. We ALSO need people who are thinkers, who have fundamental knowledge of how things work in this world. It's not without reason that philosophy is a great part of political science degree curriculum, law, sociology, science (especially physics). Philosophy deals with concepts and how these concepts relate to each other, it's basically a systematic study of thought structure. Also I hope people here do differentiate between academic philosophy (ethics, epistemology, phenomenology, logic, ontology, ....) from an "everyday" practical philosophy you can hear people talk after 2 glasses of wine somewhere at the bar. People do discuss their finances at the bar also but it's not academic high level math, is it? Many CEO's have philosophy degrees because they can produce new ideas, based on their vast knowledge, being able to connect the dots and seeing the big picture. The doers on the other hand are those who's job is to focus on details and practicalities. Thinkers employ doers in this scenario. That doesn't mean that doers won't produce ideas, but their ideas would be usually more focused on one particular singular problem, unless they can think big.

[@stacyrensburgoliver]

Hire me please😭

[@swavekbu4959]

It's kind of sad that the REALLY interesting degrees, such as philosophy, aren't rewarded as in society as degrees that just make you a servant to corporate American so big business can get rich.

[@chilldragon4752]

Yeah but that didn't stop me from majoring in it, maybe because thinking for yourself and learning how to be happy is inconvenient for corporations that need to to slave away for them.

[@swavekbu4959]

@@chilldragon4752 Agree. The last thing IBM wants an aspiring student to do is think about the big picture. They want them to just shut up, code, and figure out how to make the next computer we don't need to make them rich. Good for you for following your dreams. I did as well, and I still make upward of 80k. If you go to university just "to get a job," then I think it's going to turn out unfulfilling down the line.

[@maxluong2]

Just means its not profitable

[@benz4118]

The interesting degrees don't make money

[@juliazhang3600]

when have philosophers ever been rich in history?

[@ollielon5926]

I get the impression that most people who say that you don't need to go to college to learn something have not realized the impact college has had on them. Rarely do you see a self-taught person reach such great heights completely on their own. Even great geniuses of the past interacted with others. Learning is, after all, a social experience.

[@ciobalina7445]

Yes, I believe the same thing. These people have the impression they could have learned on their own, but it's not really just about learning. It's primarely the social aspect and the fact you have to stick to a schedule and to deadlines.

[@jamesmackey7845]

Ok, so I'm a PhD student in philosophy and I actually respect and agree with a lot of the points in the video. But I want to leave something here for others watching in the future to think about that I think is missed in a lot of these discussions about college majors. It is certainly true that you can learn philosophy outside of academia, and learn it quite well. And for many people I think this ends up being a great way to learn the philosophy that they are interested in learning. But I think it's important to be careful when we talk about the skills a given college major imparts. Maybe leaving aside engineering and computer science, I would contend that most college majors don't actually provide that much in the way of practical skill development. Does a chemistry major get to experience working with beakers and test tubes in a lab? Yes, but ask any Chemistry grad student and they will likely tell you that doesn't amount to the skills or experience needed to actually be a "chemist". I think the main reason people tend to see science degrees and business degrees as more "practical" is that they have an easier time conceiving how they might pitch themselves in a job interview. "I have lab experience where I had to organize my time, follow procedures, handle hazardous materials" etc... But the salient point is that you still have to pitch yourself and your skills to the marketplace, not the other way around. This is to say to anyone thinking about majoring in philosophy, certainly, if you don't think you can see much more to the degree than reading and writing don't major in it because you won't be able to sell yourself to people after you graduate. But if you can discern all the other kinds of marketable skills that a philosophy degree develops and use them to *argue* why you would be a useful hire, then you might be able to navigate the job market after graduating better than you expect!

[@mjdandnyc3193]

This is a great comment. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@jamesmackey7845]

Thanks. Love that you are talking honestly about this subject!

[@manuelavendano3891]

Nice comment! What marketable skills do you think philosopher undergraduates have, that business, engineering, or social sciences majors lack?

[@jamesmackey7845]

@@manuelavendano3891 This is a difficult question mostly because of how you have framed it. Business, engineering, and social sciences are all different areas of academia with professors who will emphasize and reinforce different sets of skills because they have very different training and backgrounds. I think we can probably agree that among these fields you named there is going to be some overlap of marketable skills. And the same goes for philosophy. But the differences lie in what each degree will force you to practice and the thinking patterns they make you adopt. So, in short, the answer to your question is maybe none! But it doesn't matter if philosophy offers no unique marketable skills. Choosing a college major shouldn't be only about which major has the most or best marketable skills. Some people will learn how to think critically and evaluate arguments better in philosophy, and some will pick these things up better in engineering. It depends on which path best suits the individual who is making the decision. Academia is not a workforce factory. We don't exist solely to create workers with marketable skills. The things we teach in classes are tools that can definitely be used to get jobs, but colleges don't exist solely for this purpose. My only reason for talking at length about these things in my initial comment is that once you make the decision about what you want to study, you owe it to yourself to reflect on what is marketable about that degree. Otherwise, it won't matter what you study finding work will be a struggle.

[@fenrir834]

I have a lot of doubt whether you know the first thing about chemistry. Experience with beakers and test tube is hardly taught, this is like teaching a Math major how to count. Most people do not have the native intelligence required to actually become a good researcher in chemistry with just 4-5 years bachelors course, but it sure helps a whole lot and is neccesary if you wish to be a chemist. The thing is philosphy degree even if marketed extremly succesfully would still have less utility to actually be considered more employable then a business degree or a STEM degree marketed poorly

[@someperson9536]

Studying philosophy is a lot more than gaining knowledge. Getting feedback from other people about your viewpoints and your reasons for supporting those viewpoints is critical. It is also helpful to practice writing and to get feedback about your writing.

[@BlueEagle-yk6dg]

0:40 Like a true philosophy major, she starts out the video definining her terms in detail

[@Heyu7her3]

😅 Which more people should do, tbh

[@IndustrialMilitia]

I always wanted to form a Religious Cult so I thought getting a philosophy degree would be advantageous.

[@XooxyBoo]

Just read Crowley

[@macywood4619]

You sound lost!

[@musicdiary5768]

Philosophy is so interesting but the jobs that are being presented to me via google sound either emotionally draining or a snooze fest. It would be amazing if we could just all exist and not have to worry about food, water, shelter, and other essentials so that we can explore all our passions but that’s not how it works and we just have to learn how to be okay with that but deep down we’ll never fully be. This is why I want to be rich. Not so that I can flaunt my money or have a Bugatti but so that I can learn everything I ever wanted without worrying about going broke. I feel as though I must be a servant to the system because if you don’t work for this particular system then this system does not work for you. That’s just how I feel at the moment. I’m scared to pursue anything I actually like and it sucks 🤷‍♀️

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Wow I relate to this a lot well said

[@ericlondon2663]

Um.....this is why one does research into a field BEFORE attending a university. Rich kids go to school for whatever they want. Poor kids go to school with a job attached to the degree.

[@jollyholly2851]

I feel like you can study a lot of subjects by yourself these days-Math, Physics, Political Science, Economics, Computer Science, and Neuroscience; the list goes on.

[@banardadams8776]

You can literally study any subject in college by yourself.

[@_VISION.]

They should literally just put everything online and let people study at their own pace. With options to go to some sort of center to discuss with others about the subject.

[@benz4118]

@@_VISION. almost all of it is online already

[@C3yl0]

Sorry to burst your bubble but nowhere in this world you can self teach yourself Neuroscience neither physics. The introduction topics yes, but in depth no way. Lol

[@annapine1175]

@@C3yl0 why

[@hdgaiqnwknz6032]

Going into philosophy because you love reading and writing is a big no no!!!! Philosophy is not “words” never confine it to that! Philosophy is thought. Philosophers put it into words.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Good point!

[@adacathy3018]

lol true, i definitely didnt choose philosophy bc i like reading and writing

[@kjlackey]

I spent a lot of time regretting my philosophy degree, but now at 40 and on my fourth career my view has changed. I've worked in short term lease office management (think WeWork) eventually becoming a Director of Ops, small scale agriculture (both veggies and husbandry), a stint working as a market GM for a large Airbnb management company, and finally as a Regional COO for the American Red Cross. While I think I could have gotten any of these jobs with practically any degree, I do think that philosophy helped me feel confident (and arguably better equipped than my peers) in: 1) interpreting dense, unfamiliar and highly technical texts such as contracts and leases in a way that English would not have; 2) critical thinking 3) judgement. I wouldn't recommend pursuing a career in academic philosophy to most, but as an undergraduate degree its a defensible and applicable choice. Philosophy undergrads are significant funnels for both MBAs and JDs, and it's no coincidence that out of all humanities degrees, philosophy undergrads come out with the highest median earnings mid-career (at least, per PayScale, c. 2015). They key marketable skill is critical thinking. If you are still in college that might be hard to believe, but in the workforce, a business meeting has strong analogues with a philosophy seminar. People have better or weaker grasp of the material / topic / problem at hand, possess varying degrees of being able to perceive, bracket, and evaluate their own biases, can think through and project conclusions with differing accuracy and cogency. If you've ever thought something like "Bob here is fundamentally off target" about a fellow student in say a 300 level Heidegger course or whatever, that kind of thing happens all the time in meetings, and feels exactly the same, and shares the same grounds for the analysis. It's significantly better preparation for business operations or management than anything in STEM. And I also think there's an argument to be made for studying philosophy over business or management degrees in terms of real-world preparation, but this is already too long. The person that hired me to the COO role called me after the process and said "what I'm really interested in is a good thought partner."

[@rhythmandacoustics]

A majority of people should not go to university. You should take a vocational education with a bachelors. Do not spend much of your resources getting into debt.

[@charitycommissioners5304]

If you are passionate about philosophy and achieve good grades you can: 1) apply to law school 2) apply for a masters degree 3) apply to teachers college 4) join the military at a high rank

[@Jetblackhair1]

Law school and masters degree are different?

[@IndustrialMilitia]

@Alexi marchenko They've got a Mafia at least.

[@ebedensrift2006]

dont forget mcdonalds

[@pranavpillai7778]

Or supplement with a vocationally relevant minor.

[@suvhur]

For 4. I guess but not really. If you commission you will get to be an officer and thats cool sure, but you will always commission out of school as an O-1 (lowest officer rank) and that is by no means seen as a high rank at all. However I do believe Philosophy is an excellent degree for officers though, and it can certainly help you go far and reach actual high ranks.

[@Unknown-jf5sk]

I LOVE Psychology & English literature & philosophy.. but the problem is that these things aren't going to give me money ):

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Precisely the issue *sigh*

[@basil7476]

It can give u money, even a lot, it just depends on the job, experience and other factors

[@AfroMedic]

Good thing you realize this now, the only major to study in college now is Nursing, Some type of Engineering or other stem degrees, many people are bad at these fields if you work hard and obtain a degree in STEM you will be very employable and earn good money, you can even be hired while still in college to teach math, chemistry or Biology or some engineering classes if you are very good. Anything outside of STEM is a waste of time and after graduation you will do nothing important.

[@JohnDoe-sf8ur]

**sigh**

[@alfredhitchcock45]

2 types of Philosophy: - Liberal Arts - Math

[@swavekbu4959]

@@jordanh1635 Philosophy of science is an amazing subject.

[@DarkLink606]

I study philosophy and I plan on following an academic career... And I warn against it to anyone who asks. Don't. All said in the video is true, and it isn't even the worse part. You already started saying that you want to clarify things, that makes you better than roughly half of philosophers, who work to make people ever more confused, angry and hopeless. And yet, I do study philosophy in college, I love it, not all of it, but I can't see myself doing anything else. Seems contradictory? I also smoke, I don't encourage anybody else to do the same.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

This is a very relatable comment. “Do as I say not as I do” I feel that way a lot

[@MilitaryAV]

Cringe!

[@dennism3586]

Felt a little offended as a math major watching this video, haha! In my opinion, if one becomes an accountant after a math major, they must’ve really hated math! Most go on to become researchers, data scientists, software developers, etc. Great video nonetheless!

[@inactiveuser555]

and at the end of the day, it's all meaningless. set your heart and your soul upon seeking the LORD your GOD.

[@kontoru22]

​@@inactiveuser555bruh 🗿

[@Patmckeown585]

My cousin Skyler went to University Of Wisconsin Milwaukee to play basketball and major in Philosophy she loved it there and the best part of all is she’s a whole 10 hours away from me so we can’t fight like usual

[@1evilhag_]

I am currently pursuing a degree in philosophy so your videos are absolutely invaluable! Thank you! What do you think about doing something like "Philosophy of Technology" or "Applied Ethics to Artificial Intelligence"? I'm trying to combine a fuzzy degree and a techie degree if that makes sense. I like applying ethics and philosophy to technology a lot but I'm not sure what "job" that would look like. It's kind of a new path.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

You’re so welcome! Thank you for watching. And I love that idea! I took a class on artificial intelligence and it was so interesting. And yea I think you’re right it’s def a new path but it’s where we’re headed in the future so I think it could be a lucrative career path

[@thelonercoder5816]

Most liberal art majors are pretty useless, to put it frankly. As someone getting into software engineering, a philosophy or ethics degree in any type of technology doesn't have a defined career path. The only realistic way I can see this degree applied is if you're in the gov and coming on as some sort of counselor/advisor (like trying to argue for or against some type of emerging tech). Other than that, there is really no good career path since there is really no marketable skill that employees are looking for. If you want a practical skill in tech, go for a STEM degree or go pick up a trade. Study philosophy on your own time. You don't need a degree for it.

[@Lost_In_LA]

@@thelonercoder5816 Computer Science is a major at most liberal art programs as is math and physics which are translatable to software engineering jobs. Liberal arts majors learn to speak and write well. Something you better do when gathering requirements from end users, persuading your team lead that your architectural design is best, or negotiating a pay raise.

[@basil7476]

@@thelonercoder5816 no degrees are useless lmao, u can do something with everything

[@thelonercoder5816]

@@basil7476 Sure. Go ahead and spend $50k on basket weaving and see how that works out for you lmao.

[@C3yl0]

Btw,with a Biology or Chemistry degree you will need a PHD to get somewhere. Otherwise, you will be stuck. Now, employers do value philosophy degree holders the issue is that students do not take the time to do internships is other areas outside their main areas plus do not take the time to do proper research. You need to think outside the box. Either double major in something a little more practical or minor in something practical as well. Idk who was your academic advisor but you got a valuable degree. I’m telling you cause I went back to college at my 30’s and my primary major is Philosophy.

[@AfroMedic]

My AS degree is in chemistry and my BS is in Biology, my goal is to go to Physician Assistant school, you don't need a PHD to do well in life.

[@Heyu7her3]

​@@AfroMedicbut you're not getting a bio or chem degree -- you're getting a professional degree. that proves the OP's point.

[@penssuck6453]

Without knowing which university you attended or your GPA, nobody should take anything away from your comments. And even those qualifications wouldn't mean you're good at philosophy. Frankly, you don't sound like you're any good at philosophy. Philosophy, of course, covers a certain body of literature, but more so it's a skill -- and I don't note this skill in how you express yourself. I have never met anyone -- anyone -- who was good at philosophy coming out of high school: it's not simply reading well and writing well. In fact, of all the philosophy majors I've come across, I'd say only 5% were any good at philosophy -- and I attended a good university. You cannot self study philosophy because a crucial part of improving at philosophy is getting constructive criticism on the philosophy papers you write -- and you have to write many. Unless you're a genius -- Mill, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, Russell, etc., -- you're going to need guided instruction just like you would if you were trying to become a violin maker because, again, it's a craft/a skill.

[@nah8845]

💯💯💯💯 thank you for your comment. I'd also just add that so many people have an insanely myopic vision of what "education" means or is "supposed to do." Namely, far far far far too many treat it as a means to get rich in this very putrid economic system we happen to be living in currently. To me, that is HEARTBREAKING! To believe that money is the only thing which brings meaning to life is so slavish, so dehumanizing, so disgusting, it's hard to know where even to begin - though perhaps a good place to start would be reflecting on that very famous Socratic maxim: The unexamined life is not worth living.

[@adikapachuau8447]

True👍

[@OrdenJust]

If one is going to study philosophy, it is important to study history as well. History will teach you if you philosophize, people might make you drink hemlock. Now combine that tidbit of knowledge with some logic from your philosophy class and you will reach the conclusion that you should NOT study philosophy. So, in short the purpose of philosophy is not to study philosophy. Thus, we hit the jackpot, since in philosophy, paradoxes are where the big bucks are. Just ask Zeno, or Bertrand Russell, or indeed any philosopher worth her grain of salt.

[@annapine1175]

What is a bachelor and phd and master degree aren’t they all the same and how do you do two subjects or three subjects all at once?

[@pranavpillai7778]

Liberal arts degrees are fine if you have practical minors and/or graduate degrees in practical areas.

[@its_just_marvlus]

It makes sense to try out classes for yourself. To follow without choosing is like sacrificing your soul for nothing. Depending on your skills in reality defines your future for yourself. Just because she regret it, doesnt mean you have to. Lets make that clear. But philosophy is better debated with students and a teacher. You learn different pov's from anothers perspective. Reading a book about a specific topic is philiosophical. Understanding philosophy is great for social networkers. If you want to get minds straight then do if. If you know how to talk you can change tides. When you say "i regret" you explained "i couldve done something better than phiolosophy. Then you say "i cPM uldve minored or double majored in it that just take it. Now is learning about what could be more than the world be too mych for you to handle? Thus making you "regretting" you chose to but instead choose whats best for you?.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Your comment got a bit confusing at the end but yes def take classes for yourself and have your own opinions this was just my experience which is not universal or applicable to all. Ty for watching!

[@claudiadacapo]

Video starts at 2:42

[@trey2643]

Nice video :-) I'm currently a freshman majoring in Business (management bc I have the skills to be a good manager/leader) and I don't even have a minor. I have a huge passion for philosophy and history. Do you think it's a good goal for me to double major with business/ philosophy along with a minor in history, and then apply to law school because I could see myself doing law for sure.

[@trey2643]

I'm really passionate about philosophy, but like you said I know I could be satisfied and fulfilled by just studying and reading/learning it on my own at home.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I think def double major! ESP if you wanna go into law school, bc philosophy is a great track for that

[@mohamedkhater7558]

really good video , idecided to study psychology right now

[@Philosophy42DaysUth]

It is worth noting that the MAIN career path for philosophy -- for those who go on to get Ph.D.s in it -- is teaching. Not disagreeing with your truth about it as a major -- but you mentioned it as a gateway to law and in the same way it is a gateway to teaching philosophy.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

True!

[@Heyu7her3]

The main career path for most subjects is teaching/ research.

[@Philosophy42DaysUth]

@@Heyu7her3 Yes! That is why if it was b/w philosophy and psychology for a person, I would recommend the latter. Then if the right succeeds in shutting down liberal arts for the middle class, you still have private practice to fall back on.

[@theharshhack10]

is it fine if I want to major in it in order to improve how I think? I'm thinking of then going to law school to become a lawyer, so I think it would help me with the LSAT

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Yea! That’s a good idea

[@theharshhack10]

@@mjdandnyc3193 thank u for the response :)

[@someperson9536]

I'm going back to school to take some more philosophy classes, but I'm not going to get a degree in it. I like the subject and I enjoy getting feedback from others, but I'm not interested in getting a degree in it.

[@miguelangelvelascoramirez3234]

For anyone wondering! I majored Philosophy at UOFT and I have a great career as a Learning Designer, and more recently own my business (3 years in now 10-15K month) in eLearning development.

[@rozemarijn9871]

Heyy great video! I have a question. My major is psychology now, and I'm thinking about double majoring with philosophy, OR switching majors to philosophy. Since you were talking about the job market for philosophy graduates, do you think it would benefit me having psychology as a second degree next to philosophy?

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I think so yes! I see philosophy as mainly a major for people who plan to go to law school (lots of lawyers major in philosophy in undergrad) or for people who wanna go into journalism. So if either of those aren’t your plan maybe double major

[@rozemarijn9871]

@@mjdandnyc3193 okay thank you so much!!

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Ofc! Ty for watching

[@dystopia390]

Hey ! That’s crazy I’m studying philosophy this year and I’m planning on starting a psychology degree at the same time next year (so I’ll have to degrees and can then decide what to do) Really rare to hear about people wanting to study those two subjects together

[@thefreed]

Yeah I think most philosophy majors that don't go to graduate school for something, realize that they could've learned a lot of the things you can learn in the major by yourself... And then start to regret it. I went through the same thing myself...

[@SasaCosmic]

She was like "It's specific to my scenario" but also the title is "why you SHOULDN'T major in PHILOSOPHY" this kinda piss me off, but I know it's because I'm a philosophy student, I completly understand what she's saying and I know she's from a different country (wich means is another reality and stuff) I just don't like the clickbate OR maybe I could made a video saying like "why you SHOULDN'T major in Fashion Design" just because it wasn't my thing but yeah, whatever. I guess people just should do whatever they wanna do (sorry about my english right now, I'm to lazy to correct the mistakes)

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Sorry you didn’t enjoy but thank you for watching regardless! Didn’t mean to clickbait

[@SasaCosmic]

@@mjdandnyc3193 nooo! I do enjoy it! Sorry if I sound rude, I just felt that was important to talk about different perspectives and how important is to be careful and support other people dreams or something! Sorry again for being rude! I really like your content! Take care ♡

[@manuelavendano3891]

Nice video! Hey, can you make a video talking about social sciences? My main goal has always been to dedicate my life, to the movements and changes I´d like to see in my not so developed country: Mexico. I like most social sciences, but think that philosophy gives you more thinking/mental tools for your professional and personal life. For me, it's like studying mathematics, which by doing lots of proofs and being so abstract, will give you awesome thinking skills; rather than doing engineering, which in most cases, will evade proofs and being too abstract. Thanks in advance!

[@WHOAM1894]

Intuitively, something irks me when people say philosophy majors aren't marketable. Philosophy is actually the highest earning humanities major and the major with most beginning to mid career increase in salary. I also associate philosophy majors with being smart and gaining practical thinking skills that should theoretically make it easy for them to get their foot in the door of any industry. Platonically, philosophy majors are skilled in logic, brainstorming, critical thinking, independent thinking, curiosity, research, discovering and learning new information, innovation, writing, reading, considering multiple possibilities, seeing the big picture, understanding all angles on an object, asking questions, analysis, thinking outside the box, etc.. I think the tricky part exists in the grey area between the intrinsic value of the degree and the difficulties of marketing one's self as a philosophy major. I think people conflate the difficulties of marketing one's self as a philosophy major with the intrinsic worth of the degree as an excuse for why the major is useless in a business and marketing sense. The solution to this paradox is to think strategically and to become well rounded. Think about what electives you can take as a philosophy major that will make your job prospects more successful. Maybe take some software engineering classes, take an extra math class, take some more advanced writing classes, take some economics classes, take some graphic designs classes, etc.. Think outside of the box and spend your time in college strategically becoming well-rounded and unique; developing a cutting edge against other job candidates that took the generic degree route. Being a philosopher with the base level skills to perform well in a particular industry will make you a much more unique candidate than every other person who just got a more straightforward degree and any other philosophy major that didn't think about the financial consequences of their degree. Combining the skills learned from a philosophy degree with more effective marketable skills will make you a very valuable candidate and will probably open you up to unique positions that no one else is quite qualified for.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Love this perspective thank you for sharing!

[@CaptMang]

The self-study reason is the reason i'm not continuing my philosophy degree.... I don't need to go into debt just to have a professor tell me what to read. And even further, It's more important to apply/discuss your philosophies amongst your friends, family, and peers than it is to discuss them with classmates and professors you'll never see again after graduation.

[@_VISION.]

Even though I love philosophy and it was the only reason I was in school I still dropped out. One of the hardest decisions to make. But I hated being told how I should study philosophy and what I should read. It's ridiculous imo.

[@FffffffffffffffffffffffffffffL]

I think logic is the one branch of philo that will be very hard to teach yourself, bc it's a lot like math

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Yes agreed!

[@bobo0202]

Philosophy is a lot like math? Interesting. I guess philosophy majors could challenge engineering and university level math exams since you know, they are alot alike.

[@SekiroOnSwitch]

@@bobo0202 it appears that you haven’t taken any upper division mathematics courses. Pure mathematics is far more logic than the computation that you may be used to.

[@_VISION.]

I disagree. There's tons of resources out there to learn it. Brilliant is one of them and Carneades.org is another. So many sources.

[@_VISION.]

@@bobo0202 there's more to mathematics than what engineers use. Read a book

[@MaxJoplin]

Bearing in mind I'm interested in going to law school, would you say English major minoring in philosophy would be better? I've heard if you're serious about law, undergrad is more about grades than subject. Yet I've also heard to get an undergraduate degree you can use if it doesn't work out for any reason.

[@Hvnkk5]

The last paragraph. Philosophy will prepare you for the LSAT (if in America). However, choose whatever you will succeed in.

[@Igor_054]

Coming from a country where law school (and medicine too, by the way) is just a normal degree and not a post-graduation, it always struck me as utter absurd that someone must first go through some unrelated study for a few years if they just want to go to law school. What is the point, anyway? If you want to be a lawyer, you should be able to go directly from high school to law school. Taking a History, Philosophy or Drama degree as a step to Law School seems pointless.

[@chunkyazian]

@igor. It is about giving you the option to leave law school or medical school in case it doesn't work out. Imagine if you're accepted into medical school straight out of high school. You start dissecting an actual human being in your second year and you find the pool of blood is not exactly your cup of tea. Then what kind of degree will you get instead? To the op, I'd major in philosophy over English for law school. I'd go for English instead of you're going into marketing. English is obsessed with how words, phrases, subtext are used to convey ideas. Marketing needs to use words as an art form. Philosophy is about the examination of ideas themselves, where words is just the tool for conveying idea. Law requires words to convey logical, detailed, precise ideas and no ink is spared for pleasantries. BTW, with dual degrees in philosophy and STEM, you'd have a solid foundation to become a patent attorney. You'd be the go to person to grind through technical documents and you'd be able to argue like a lawyer

[@Djejsksocowkw]

My M.A. major is American Novel, but when I go to the states I will double major in English and Philosophy

[@singingstarharsh2639]

Can you please suggest me i want to choose philosophy

[@lilybloome1601]

a BaG oF sAlT.... very nice.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

LOL ty

[@ciobalina7445]

The thing is you don't really choose the capacity/ ability to do everything and anything, you're just choosing to learn NOTHING that easily translates to a profession/job. Basically, many students go to programs such as Philosophy or other pure humanities or social studies fields because they are avoiding thinking about a career path. Then, after they graduate, they are hit with the fact that they still need to think about it because now they NEED a job to pay the bills. The thing is for every job/profession there is now a study program and you will be competing with people who graduated from that. There are programs for Education, Journalism, Marketing, Writing/Editing, Translations, Secretary, Library Studies etc. Now that you've decided you want to be a teacher, you probably realize that you need some training and degrees for that. You could have done these before, but that meant thinking about what you wanted to do before going to college. It's just a result of the fact that most younger people are delaying thinking about their future. People should think more about what they want to do after graduating in terms of jobs, instead of having the attitude that surely it will help to have any degree or that they'll decide when they're 22 or 25. Being knowlegeable about philosophy ideas is not in itself an ability for a job. It's a hobby. You need to learn actual abilities that are needed in society and people pay for, and to network.

[@easyandhappylife251]

I have BBA and a LLB digree ... Now tell me what to choose between Psychology and philosophy..

[@tlhologelorapule7465]

Philosophy

[@rintrah81]

Major in STEM and try to double or minor in Phil, if you’re so inclined.

[@lambeefbiryani08]

I watch a lot video about philosopy degree and most of them call it not worth and tend to useless

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I don't think its useless but def need to consider job prospects with it as a degree

[@adikapachuau8447]

You are totally wrong

[@eo2167]

did you have a hard time finding a job? and what job are you doing right now?

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I didn’t have a hard time, I got my job through the Columbia job fair. I’m an elementary teacher for a charter school :)

[@trollycharly6403]

Teachers need teachers credential right

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I did not study education nor am I certified so depends on the school

[@danielkosak5355]

You are looking at this wrong. True, you can learn this at home. You can learn anything at home. You said you are a good writer, then become a journalist. If you feel the need to get out of your comfort zone then look into a MBA, a Masters degree or an Associate in Nursing. The BA in Philosophy will accelerate your an Associate in Nursing into a Masters in Nursing. And the money that you will earn will help pay off your education. And I am sure the Philosophy will help you along the way as you deal with people and their goofy ideas like wokism.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Good ideas!

[@JayPeace]

“Wokism” or being “woke” started off philosophical, but once it was taken main stream it became watered down nonsense. Being woke was about the pursuit of knowledge and understanding, now it’s just a toxic ideology.

[@jamesonrichards5105]

philosophy has the gift of being one of the most accessable fields for people. everyone engages in philosophy. majority of our life is philosophy. Studying for something that everyone does regularly is a terrible idea when you're trying to have a job since everyone can do it, even at an armchair. If I won the lottery, after my first initial spending spree, I would go to university for philosophy to really intellectually round myself out.

[@Vivi-vg9lx]

If you can do philosophy, please share your thoughts on this subject and answer the question. Is eliminativism a good approach to the problem of the relationship between mind and body? Please back up your arguments.

[@Lost_In_LA]

I suspect philosophy is a great major. It gave birth to the sciences and is a pillar in political science and Western history. Most high school students aren't exposed to philosophy. Learning why Socrates was critical of democracy as a form of government (ex: populist wars) is a big deal. Learning stoicism can remake a person. Ryan Holiday has even made a career out of it. That said, most students will have to pick up additional skills. This might be picked in your internships or a double major or attending graduate school for business, med, law, engineering, etc.. The idea of a minor sounded good too. Thanks for the video!

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Thank you for watching! :)

[@cierraharper8041]

Great comment!

[@BalogunTobi42]

Yes, I agree with you about picking up additional skills. I studied philosophy as an undergrad. I have a certificate in management; a course I did on Coursera, I am presently taking another course on project management, and I am also into UI/UX design (product design) I feel if you can relate whatever skill you have with the philosophy, that will help a lot by creating more job opportunities. For instance, being a product designer, you will conduct research, and you will also need the ability to design; there are Philosophy modules that you can relate to product design, such as; aesthetics, professional ethics, logic, and epistemology. With a good cover letter that explains the relationship between what you studied “philosophy,” your skill, and what you have to offer to the company, I think you will get a good job. What do you think?

[@Lost_In_LA]

@@BalogunTobi42 You reminded me of another skill that is nurtured with a philosophy degree: writing. There is little difference between writing and thinking. Writing is a very important aspect of software development and product design. Especially with writing use cases, it's important for fleshing out requirements and capturing key assumptions. And anyone project lead who can write detailed task descriptions is worth their weight in gold for the rest of the team. Furthermore, philosophy is less about answers and more about asking the right questions-something extremely valuable in the early parts of design.

[@neomatrix4412]

2 years what are you doing now ?

[@MikeFuller-ok6ok]

I don't think I even properly understand Plato's 'Theory of Forms'.

[@MisterMcKinney]

What’s your current income now?

[@someperson9536]

This is an interesting video. I took some philosophy classes in college, but I did not major in it. One good thing about taking philosophy classes is that you will have the opportunity to get feedback from your professors and classmates concerning your viewpoint and the arguments you use to support them. This could lead you to making adjustments to your viewpoint or your arguments. Studying philosophy outside of class is very beneficial. There are some arguments for God's existence and some solutions to the problem of evil that I never heard in a philosophy class. Did you meet people who practice different religions? How would a person's religious perspective affect the way that he or she does philosophy?

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Good points! I didn’t even think about how helpful it is to hear others’ POVs

[@halea41]

The statistics just simply doesn’t support this video. Philosophy has a very high employment rate and the average income is well above average, even without further schooling. Further, I’ve yet to encounter an employer “confused” about my major in philosophy; it’s pretty obvious what the field entails. For the most part, what this society is looking for is did you finish college. It’s the assurance that you’ve had formal training in being a productive citizen.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Good point!

[@Kevinlevinn7]

Anyone here willing to lmk if a philo and econ degree would be worth the time and money?

[@mjdandnyc3193]

that sounds like a good combo! Depends what you wanna go into like career wise after college I think

[@tweedytv5444]

Damn just commented on your other one but I appreciate that he heads up lmaoo

[@mjdandnyc3193]

LOLLLL I’m actually dying. I loved studying philosophy but should’ve combined it w something different

[@zainsmith1605]

Philosophy students have the highest acceptance rate to law school (if they do well).

[@lawdizzy4829]

watch other videos

[@linzee6448]

do you regret minoring in English because you already had those skills? do you think you actually benefited from the "extra" knowledge or was it a waste of an opportunity in your mind?

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Honestly great question. I’m naturally more skilled with reading / writing so honestly minored in English bc I enjoy it. But I don’t necessarily regret it just bc I was already good at it to begin with

[@adaptercrash]

There's plenty of content, a major in philosophy of the mind and psychology is kind of a big deal...at least for me; having a dislocated optic nerve, it literally would move back out of place and I would look retarded. But I agree, there are a lot of problems within the major itself and they don't like funding it. Also how it crosses over in an English major, the program was an actual philosophy of the mind and history of historicity and psychology of self deception and cognitive arrangement. It was hard. I'm homeless now but at least my optic nerve is intact. But you get to make people look really stupid and it's not intentional.

[@cooljeansguy]

Philosophy was a huge mistake... Obviously, I should have majored in theology... With a theology degree, I could have started a church and money would have rolled in.

[@DaBeezKneez]

I love philosophy. I have a full time job and I'm also studying political science. I would hate to study any other subject just because I was afraid I couldn't get a job. This lady needs to grow up, philosophy and political science are the best majors and should be studied by everybody.

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Lol this lady. I’m the lady in question. Ty for watching!

[@basil7476]

U could try to be nice, u didn't even get the point of this video

[@_VISION.]

I think if you want to become a philosopher or study it. You can definitely learn it from online sources and books. From there you can write and then publish your work. Eric Hoffer is a good example of this. People consider him a philosopher. If you want to become a Philosopher Professor then majoring in Philosophy is a semi-mandatory step you need to take.

[@ryanoneil3581]

I’m sure the comments are super supportive of your choices and aren’t hostile towards anything that doesn’t earn money-thy god 😂

[@charaflaouinate7924]

Can i do a master in fashion with bachelor degree in philosophy !

[@mjdandnyc3193]

I’m not sure! But that’s a cool combo

[@thebboywaya]

Depends on the program and it’s prerequisites but short answer, probably!

[@LB-yg2br]

I majored in philosophy and I wouldn't swap it for the world. I also knew I had a career lined up as a naval officer and I knew I could afford to take a major that wouldn't immediately translate into a "related" job. I ended up as a submarine officer so I went to nuclear power school, and then the navy paid for my masters in operations management, so I can literally "do it all" now. #1 I was already good at reading and writing but philosophy made me better at it and I garantee it made you better too. The core of philosophy is logic though. Philosophy isn't just reading and writing. Did you not have to take any advanced symbolic logic classes? #2 You don't need a professor to teach you anything. Good Will Hunting made a solid point that you could pretty much learn anything if you have a library card. You pay for a professor to teach you the shortcuts, to help you figure out what is worth reading and what isn't, and to provide expertise that comes with decades of experience. You can "self teach" anything...but its going to take a LOT longer and without expertise, you will not see your blind spots. Look at how many idiots on youtube are self styled philosophers but they can't identify common informal fallacies e.g. Tim Pool. #3 This one is valid. No one outside of philosophy seems to understand what it means to be a philosophy major. They think we sat around all day, smoking weed, and saying "dude like...what if none of this is real man....whoa" instead of recognizing that we are more like lawyers and mathmeticians that analyze logic and argument. #4 sort of true...except most of my phil major peers have gone on to have solid careers either as PhDs or lawyers or, in my case, military officers. I think part of majoring in philosophy is recognizing that it provides a universal set of skills that compliments something else...and you should figure out what that is going to be for you in your sophomore or junior year.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

But you still need to study law to become a lawyer. I hear this argument all the time that philosophy gives you universal transferrable skills that can get you into law school, medical school, journalism or business etc but you still have to study law, medicine and journalism. And you could have done that directly anyway without philosophy. Let's be honest the only philosophy job is to be an academic working in philosophy, either teaching it or researching or both. And the min requirements for this job is a PhD. Even with a PhD the chances of landing a job are 20% , as there are so few positions available. The chances of landing a tenure professorship are below 5%. You only read philosophy if you really love it .If you are looking for a job that pays well, you are better off going into plumbing.

[@LB-yg2br]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd learning philosophy teaches you critical thinking and makes you better at everything you do. It blows my mind that meet “smart” adults that literally cannot make a basic syllogism. All lawyers need an undergrad degree, so by your logic every degree is equally worthless then, since it’s not a law degree. Let’s be honest, you don’t actually know what philosophy is, and you are afraid of things you don’t know, so you are trying to attack philosophy. Go actually learn what philosophy is and then come on back.

[@LB-yg2br]

@@RajSingh-xn8qd “the only philosophy job is to be an academic working in philosophy, either teaching it or researching or both”

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

@@LB-yg2br you are preaching to the converted. I already know philosophy underpins every area of life, science, arts, religion etc they are all born from philosophy. However, they have all branched out of philosophy and become their own specific subject today. Specifically Science. Lets not kid ourselves that a a scientist needs to study Philosophy (ideally I think Philosophy of Science should be taught as a core module with every science) because a scientist doesn't need so called critical thinking skills that philosophy gives, the skills they need are taught to them in their science degree re how to research, setting up experiments, taking measurements, mathematical and statistical and analysis of data etc If you study a science degree, you are more or less guaranteed a decent job after completing your degree. You are not with a philosophy degree. I know from my own experience (I have a first class undergraduate degree in philosophy thank you very much) a philosophy degree gets you nowhere. I have also met people with mastere in philosophy working as cleaners.If you do want to go somewhere you need to go on further and finally get a PhD, then you can try to get into academia. This wishy washy "transferrable skills" and "critical thinking" is mere marketing slogans that universities use to sell you a philosophy course. The truth is nobody actually needs to study philosophy -- a lawyer can qualify as a lawyer without a philosophy degree. Same for a doctor, scientist, artist and what have you. The only job for which a philosophy degree is mandatory is if you want to be a professional academic philosopher. And it's not wishy washy, once you get a PhD and a job at a university, you will be actively involved in teaching and research. You will be expected to write papers and get published and you will be involved in cutting edge research of the current area of philosophy and have expert knowledge in that area. For example I want to go into philosophy of mind. I would be expected to know from back to front the entire history of Western Philosophy of Mind from Plato to Descartes to Chalmers, Nagel, Dennet et al and also keep up to date with all recent major papers. It is only then I can hope to make a contribution in the field. It is hard work, but the hardest part is getting your foot in the door in the first place.

[@RajSingh-xn8qd]

@@LB-yg2br you seem have a naive outlook on what philosophy is "makes you better at everything you do" is that what you say to prospective employers in interviews? If so I'm guilty of that too. We need to say something to market our worthless degrees. Most people are polite, and will pretend to be impressed when you say you have a philosophy degree, without having much idea what that actually means. Some, the really blunt ones will challenge you (I prefer them because it forces me to defend philosophy, which is meta philosophy) . The most challenging question is what do you actually do with the degree. Newbies will wax eloquent on how it makes you think better, makes you a better human being, makes you better at everything blah blah, these are the kind that like to brag they have a philosophy degree and seem to believe they are somehow a better person now for having studied it. Which is nonsense. I have met many people who studied Philosophy, who think no better than your average Joe on any matter. If you want to be a better person perhaps do yoga. Philosophy isn't there to make you a better person, anymore than any other subject is. It is a study of general ideas. We don't deal with specific things, we don't measure anything. We deal with abstract ideas like knowledge, beauty, ethics, metaphysics etc present arguments to argue a position or attack another position.Now most people do that in everyday conversations anyway. Everybody thinks about things and argues their ideas with other. Everybody will philosophize about general things now and again, like "asking curious questions"how do I know that I know" but only those who have studied philosophy will know about epistemology, justification, truth and belief, gettier cases of knowledge, different theories of knowledge. These are very technical terms and concepts that have been developed and refined over centuries. There is no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak, you study philosophy to become familiar with the entire history of ideas and explorations others have already done on the various topics you can philosophize about. But that at best will only allow you to be a teacher of philosophy not a philosopher itself. If you want to call yourself a philosopher, you need to present your own ideas by addressing current issues in your area of philosophy. E.g hard problem in Philosophy of Mind. This means you need to be aware of all the cutting edge research in that area (subscribed to academic journals, attend seminars and talks and presentations by current philosophers, access to reading materials and other resources) and if you do have something original and new to offer to the literature, you will need to write papers and get published. Basically you will need to already be in academia to do this. It is extremely unlikely any journal will publish your papers if you are not a professional academic, no matter how brilliant your paper. You can only truly call yourself a philosopher if you are working in academic philosophy. Just as you can only call yourself a doctor if you are working as a doctor. It's a job like any other job. A philosophy degree is merely your ticket for entry into academic philosophy. It is as good as worthless by itself. My friend, one of the bluntest guys you'll meet, calls it a 'mickey mouse degree ' I get defensive (just as you did) but i know there is some truth in it -- I have literally got nowhere with a first class degree in philosophy. I have been doing dead end office jobs for the last 15 years. I regret studying Philosophy too. But now that I have realised that I will need to get a PhD if I want to become a philosopher, I may do just that despite all the odds being stacked against me at present. I love philosophy, I cannot think of myself doing anything else as a career.

[@adam.o8183]

I think you don't understand philosophy, if you think you're 'good enough' and don't need to improve, we all need to improve even Professors. To me, this shows you have an extremely closed mind when entertaining new ideas. Also, understanding different ideas only happens with feedback and engaging with other students and lecturers who have drastically different ideas to yours. A lot of people also forget there are a lot of similarities and some even argue that philosophy and science are one in the same thing. It just sounds like you wanted something that was more black and white in subject matter with right or wrong answers, rather than areas of grey that are a matter of interpretation. BTW my latest job, developing digital blockchains, I got simply because they needed philosophers in their team. I never knew I would be going into that field during my studies. You never know where philosophy takes you, which is kinda the main point.

[@pranavpillai7778]

Practical minors are the key.

[@devinlefebvre1771]

I agree on some points and disagree on others. I can’t refute the video as a whole (I think it’s a valuable video) especially since you couched your arguments in several ways. In my experience there are employers that understand the value of philosophy and those that don’t, which is not entirely distinct from what you said but it is distinct nonetheless. Those that understand the value of it understand the value of clear thinking. In my opinion, an employer that does not value philosophy is not one that I want to work for. On the whole I totally get where your coming from but I also don’t want other to be dissuaded from studying something they love. If you’re going to put yourself in debt without a clear path to recouping the funds… obviously that’s a bad choice regardless of major.

[@devinlefebvre1771]

Sorry if that came off a as a bit of a rant 😅

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Didn’t come off as a rant at all! Thanks for watching and commenting

[@priyankihazarika504]

Learn me english philosophy B A first semester please learn me

[@imCXS-zh2yt]

Da fuck is a major in philosophy? Is it better than Chicano studies?

[@Whoiskevinjones]

Bet a philosophy major won't be attractive if you get a job before attending college, which I highly recommend.

[@r4v3nous31]

From experience Philosophy majors make good computer programmers

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Oh interesting!

[@chunkyazian]

@@mjdandnyc3193 Philosophy and STEM double major. Never worked a day as an engineer. But I switched career to IT a few years ago and I'm a programmer at a global company. I double major partly because I had to pick a subject in liberal art or social science to major in. But even if I don't have to major in it, I probably would minor in it. Plenty of my classmate in philosophy were also double majoring in STEM. One of our philosophy professor had a minor in math. In my the last philosophy class I took in college, our professor did not give a final exam because it was his only chance to break some rules as he left academia to go to law school. I do agree majoring in something else and at least minoring in philosophy makes philosophy worthwhile. I think the best take away from philosophy is the training to question everything that other people says. it helps you fill in your knowledge gaps as you head into other fields of studies and career. But this constant questioning of other people's thoughts and ideas may rub some people the wrong way, as Socrates did

[@user-wf9xi4ud8d]

Orientasi jurusan filsafat yang kamu pikirkan kedepannya hanya sebatas itu? Sayang sekali

[@trollycharly6403]

I failed philosophy

[@hdgaiqnwknz6032]

How come?

[@SithGod]

It seems like you didn’t research this degree before you left you really don’t need any degree

[@jamesromano3288]

Hilarious

[@hairyape_8103]

Nah comp sci is a trap, hate my life right now

[@copingwithautism800]

Always Major in the STEM field. all other majors are for people that are destined to work at walmart for the rest of their lives.

[@bayawan]

A math major doesn't produce accountants. You need to major in accountancy to qualify for the CPA board exam lol. You are talking nonsense.

[@vassilisnotopoulos3944]

what she says doesnt make any sense, full of contradictions

[@larriveeman]

major in computer science or engineering, not physco babble

[@crystalcastillo7575]

I just came from your “why you should study Philosophy” feeling super hyped lol. But thanks for the disclaimers , can’t ever imagine letting go of philosophy since I love it so much , my career counselor just told me to double major in something else more “practical” . Lol yikes 🥲😂

[@mjdandnyc3193]

Oh nooo don’t feel sad. I think having another major/minor is a good idea tho.

[@obamascock2169]

You go to college or uni to have a job, not to follow a dream. In reality if you want to have a dream, its better to follow that dream when you have the resources to do so.

[@theothergirls4817]

@@obamascock2169 Many people go to university to get an education, not a job.