Why I stopped wearing Vibram Five Fingers 😲

[@GokuRunner]

Since the video is so popular I just wanted to update on the feet issue with vibrams the pain wasn't caused by the pounding but more because of plantar fasciitis. Since that video I've started wearing traditional shoes as well as vffs too. Actually one of my favorite shoes to run in right now are the Vibram Furoshiki. So like I said at the end of the video I'm still running in VFFs and other shoes as well. Cheers.

[@IcedFriction]

IMO cut the sugar out of your diet limit your daily intake of carbs to 40 grams that will reduce/stop your inflammation you'll drop weigh have more energy and you feet issues will disappear.

[@wlomax07]

Bro - I want the carsons in this video but can't find them. lol

[@GokuRunner]

@@wlomax07 message them. The owner will probably reply and will be happy to make you a pair.

[@karostrand]

I am also having plantar fascitis and was thinking of vibrams but I am hesitant since they are expensive (in my country at least). But most shoes are to narrow for my toes so I have a problem..

[@westcoastsingletrack7854]

@@karostrand i healed my plantar fascitis in 8 months with barefoot running just went out longer and running longer with middle to forefoot strike

[@samirv3716]

If there is pounding when you’re running in Vibrams, you’re doing it wrong and missing the whole point of forefoot running. There shouldn’t be any pounding but rather gentle tapping. Low impact is the whole reason for this types of shoes.

[@GokuRunner]

I think I said in the video I wasn't training well enough for the marathons. So the pounding most likely from my form breaking down. Also I think I had plantar fasciitis so that was the real issue not the shoes. If you check out some of my other videos I'll mention that. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey.

[@wonderwoman6232]

I have worn Veebs for 11 years now. I am 58. They are the best thing I have done for myself, physically, ever. Back pain I had suffered from for years is gone and, I havent had plantar fasciitis since I started wearing them. Running in them was great until a car accident messed up my knee and ended that for me. I have some Merrills, and have recently discovered Pearl feet just for some different styles but, I always go back to the Vibrams.

[@GokuRunner]

Still love my vibrams! I can't stay away from those stinky things. Use them mostly for 5k and 10ks. Also use them for lifting all the time!

[@anitaokoli9951]

Wonder Woman pls were can I get it

[@anitaokoli9951]

Goku Runner pls pls were can I get it, 09095305965

[@Dee-ye2dk]

I’m glad you found a shoe that works for you but, you have to be patient with 5 fingers. I’m on year 2 with the 5 fingers, still experiencing soreness but, my form has improved greatly. I urge you to keep trying.

[@GokuRunner]

Oh I still wear vibrams. Wore them on my last 5k, video on my channel now. I've run in vibrams for 6 years I just wasn't putting in the training in them to run a marathon like I was before. Thanks for watching. Subscribe if you'd like. 😊

[@LetTheWritersWrite]

I got plantar fasciitis with vibrams and took like 4 years of healing. But I will say it was my fault. What helped my plantar fasciitis heal was actually standing barefoot while working. I still believe in barefoot running but it takes a lot of time undoing years of using shoes

[@catherinebutler3003]

My plantar fasciitis has recently flared up after consuming more junk food and snacks.

[@jimvick8397]

I had no idea how deformed my feet were until I got the 5 fingers... When I was 13, I was in a size 13 shoe.... when I was 14 I was in a 14 and 15 a 15... thankfully it stopped. But for a good while when I was a 14 and even a 15, I was forced to wear 13's because that is all we could ever get pre internet. Anyways my little toe and the one next to it were crushed together so much they are basically deformed. My size 15 Five fingers works as a nice tor spacer and feels good when I wear them.

[@PandaSniezna]

did these shoes help with your problem?

[@jimvick8397]

@@PandaSniezna A combination of the 5 finger shoes, regularly wearing 5 finger socks, periodically soaking my feet and reshaping the calluses, and wearing the 5 fingers when I do 3 mile farmers walks carrying 2x35lb kettlebells have all improved things... Its been 6 months and I havent felt this good in years. Also, hip decompression using heavy workout straps has also been invaluable...

[@macdaddydelicious6834]

This is my life.

[@grey5135]

I have Brooks running shoes for running and VFF for all things not running on a hard asphalt or concrete because I don't want to have to Have me surgery because i've worn the cushioning between my joints down. I hikes in the woods and adventure racing in my VFFs and we do have to run through the woods for like 2 to 5 miles but it's always off road to the VFF are amazing for that stuff. And then from running it goes to Kayak or paddle board, the mountain bike to the finish. If the VFF can survive years of that abuse they have won me over completely.and you always feel rock solid connected to the ground with I can never get the feeling of with any closed toed shoes I've tried thus far.

[@alidalavezzari4103]

Instead I would like to tray with fivefingers, I have fascite and I am in transition. In few months to stop chusions and plantars I saw many improvements. The ideal could be minimalist but I need wider toe and short shoes and I cannot spend much. Next I will tray protective sandals but I need water proof for the wet times. I will not go back: when I walk without shoes I do not feel pain and my arch is improved. Need transition and wider toe. Have a nice life.

[@rustyyoung7980]

Enjoy the content, thanks for your two cents! Keep running!!

[@WhiteDean45]

Why wouldn't vibram make a shoe with more cushion?

[@GokuRunner]

If you've ever worn vibram five fingers different vibrams do have a different amount of thickness to their sole. So thats what I'm referring to. There's a big difference in the vibram seeyas and the vibram trail shoes

[@WhiteDean45]

@@GokuRunner thanks I've never seen this type of shoe till yesterday. I mostly wear Chaco's when not at work. Even hiking.

[@GokuRunner]

Nice. I'll have to check those shoes out. Nowadays Im wearing vibram furoshiki super comfortable for casual use and running as well. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey

[@WhiteDean45]

@@GokuRunner nice! Will do

[@Jeremybearmy]

Great to hear your progress with this!

[@GokuRunner]

I actually started running back in vibrams again.... LOL but haven't for long distance training yet. Are you still running in vffs?

[@Jeremybearmy]

Yes I’m still on my second pair I super glued them since they started falling apart. I recently found this running form expert on KZbin you might find him interesting he talks about barefoot running. Richard Diaz.

[@markscoaching]

Completely confused? You stopped running in Vibrams but you didn't!

[@GokuRunner]

I did because at the time I thought they were the cause of my issues. But realized months after that vid that plantar fasciitis was actually the cause of my issues. Currently I mix up my shoe rotation with shoes mainly zero drop, the vibrams, and then a 2 mm drop shoe. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey

[@EyeDriveATruck]

@@GokuRunner your pain comes from your lifting.

[@ethangriffiths7802]

The way you describe it as a pounding when using vibrams. Is that because you weren’t used to little cushioning or because your running form wasn’t very adapted to them?

[@GokuRunner]

Don't think cushioning has anything to do with it but I do think that your feet have to get used to the mileage. So by pounding that's what I'm referring too. My feet weren't used to the long mileage of a marathon because I stopped training for them. I think now if I wanted to run a marathon in my vibrams I'd be fine since I've put in the miles and my feet would be fine.

[@Korgon2013]

Former cop of 7 years with horrid plantar fasciitis- I wear these casually around the house, and my PF went away over time (painfully, gradually), and I wear regular shoes to work out in.

[@gudboyngdisyerto]

just did my first run with kso evo today. i heard about transitioning slowly so i thought 2km but i felt good and told myself i am a forefoot to midfoot striker with regular shoes anyway so why not make it to 5km, so i did. it was fun and no muscle pain whatsoever but i'm sure my skin would have screamed at me if i was completely barefoot running on tarmac. good to have variations so i will still wear all my other regular running shoes but i'm already thinking of getting the v trail model for trail running.

[@Shrenik-nm9hw]

Do you run in the outdoors wearing the kso evo? How long did they last for?

[@gudboyngdisyerto]

@@Shrenik-nm9hw 600km so far and still look new. i run mostly on road and light trail in the park. for reference i only weigh 60kg. now i'm not running with regular shoes anymore. i bought v trail 2.0 and v run and i think they are just what i need. i started with kso evo because i didn't know if vff would work for me and it is the cheapest at the store near me (not in us). after knowing my size i ordered the other 2 from amazon at lower prices than what i paid for the kso evo

[@Shrenik-nm9hw]

@@gudboyngdisyerto ohh that's so nice!! 600 km in the kso evo??

[@gudboyngdisyerto]

@@Shrenik-nm9hw yes 600km in kso evo and outsole still looks almost new. but if you want a bit of cushioning go for v run.

[@saschaforeal3009]

Ive been wearing VFF for 12 years and i love it for walking running whatever. I never wear regular shoes unless I must. if i could i would wear no shoes.

[@KallutoZoldyck]

I feel like if you are getting foot pains, you should go through a transition period, I wouldn't suggest stopping using the vibrams. You just started too fast too soon. You should have progressed to running long distances through walking, and practicing forefoot striking. Also, the further you can raise your toes, the better

[@GokuRunner]

The foot pain ended up being plantar fasciitis. It's all good now. I'm running in vibrams again. 😊

[@silentbliss7666]

How's your plantar fasciitis? Better?

[@GokuRunner]

Yup much better. Took up running in vibrams again too. Time off the feet was what I needed

[@carlitosaguacate861]

good short and informative video. Thank you

[@sr7379]

Thanks for the great info. I'm a beginner runner and I've been trying to train regularly for the past year, however, I'm struggling to be as consistent as I'd like due to the same issues you described in the beginning of the video. My lower legs (soleus I think) and sometimes my tibs blow up after a kilometer or two and not long after my feet go numb to the point I have to stop. Also, I start getting a pain in that lower leg (inside soleus area) which progressively gets worse to where I have to take time off running to let it heal. Like you, I noticed I get some relief from running barefoot on grass but it doesn't solve the issue completely. Sometimes the pressure/tightness/pain comes on quick and others I might get 5-6km in before having to stop. Just wondering how long you had this issue and if there was anything else you did to fix it? Also, has it come back when you changed shoes? I've been using vivo barefoot shoes for 3 years for daily life, but I've tried lots of different running shoes. I've tested barefoot type shoes like vivos all the way up to traditional cushioned heel drop like hokas with nothing really helping. Vivos or barefoot on grass seems to help most, but still struggling and haven't found much online regarding this issue so really caught my attention when you described the same symptoms I'm having. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

[@CONQUISTADOR79]

What advice would you give a newbie man that just bought some!!!!

[@GokuRunner]

Nice welcome to the vff club. I just ran a 40 min run in mine tonight. Start off slowly and listen to your body. You can check out my vid where I give more advice on how to start kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2TFia2Dop12mZY Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you'd like to follow along with my fitness journey.

[@CONQUISTADOR79]

Goku Runner thank you so much I have never done a run before unless it’s from the police ...... lol jk seriously I want to do my first run just wanted some pointers on how to were to ect ect

[@cameronbentley8259]

Would vibrams be good way toughen up my feet for ranger assessment and selection? I’m preparing for long rucks and would like to get a pair of vibrams

[@GokuRunner]

Don't know about that. I'd probably train in the shoes you would be rucking in. Are vibrams allowed. If so if it works for you then sure

[@cameronbentley8259]

@@GokuRunner no it would be jungle boots but I’m trying to toughen my feet up

[@GokuRunner]

I can't say. I honestly have issues running in regular shoes after wearing vibrams for so long. But you could give it a try.

[@cliffordstanger8960]

I broke away from these, and rest of minimalist shoes. Not totally, i just don't run in them but wear for work, lifting etc. Heavy runners cannot wear the same shoes as light runners. Ive tried it all, cushioned shoes work for this heavy runner.

[@trexinvert]

From my experience running marathons and occasional plantar fascitis I've learned the following: 1.) Plant Fascitis condition is mainly caused by "weakness" of the foot muscles and "slow" mileage buildup will avoid this 100%. The enemy is "feeling fast" or "cramming miles before race" especially after recovering back from other injuries. 2.) Running on sand barefoot is a great way to help build strength in the "weak" foot and calf muscles. 3.) Running fast/slow with a "landing flat" technique is best. I used to take long strides and land on my heel. Not good. I did that because I "liked to feel" the effort of running. Stupid. Effort comes from running longer or a timed fixed short distance. Toe running is no good either, because it's not sustainable from start/finish for extreme endurance distances. However, toe running = minimalist running, as long as you quit running early....it's when you don't stop early or gain weight that problems occur. I'd rather run 12 miles with full running shoes and burn 1200 calories...especially when I'm a bit fat. Than do 6 miles with toe runners(minimalist/barefoot) and only burn 600 calories...or just run 3 miles(when I'm fat) and burn 300 calories.

[@BruceWayne-us3kw]

I found resistance bands and lacrosse balls to be quite useful to fix plantar fasciitis.

[@HappySquid햄볶한쮸꾸미]

Your pain might come from your weight..? I’m not saying that you’re overweight, but you look quite heavy to be a long distance runner. Might because of your muscle weight or something

[@GokuRunner]

True enough. Im almost certain now the pain is from plantar fasciitis which is probably due to my weight for sure. I'm still running though and dealing with it. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons and yes I'm still running in vibrams. Subscribe to my channel to follow along in my fitness journey.

[@TheYearIGotTheRuns]

I never knew why you wore Vibrams. I started off in Merrils with Vibram soles. Good choice switching to Carson's.

[@GokuRunner]

Loving my carsons for sure.

[@Willisthatgoproyguy]

Sorry to hear that Vibrams no longer work for you, but really glad you have a different set of shoes to take care of your feet.

[@GokuRunner]

Thanks. Just wasn't training enough in them unfortunately. I'll still use them for short distances.

[@atolliver91]

You want to go farther than your body will allow...the body does have limits...

[@GokuRunner]

Push past those limits my friend.

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

How did you even get along with barefoot shoes? I can't imagine that heel striking, having a powerlifter type of diet/physique and running in barefoot shoes for several hours are a good fit.

[@GokuRunner]

For the most part when I run in those shoes I try my best not to heel strike. I did it for years with no issues and still put on my vibrams quite often for runs

[@sebastianromero113]

thats the point, you are supposed to not heel strike at all

[@blissseeker4719]

I have been dealing with the exact issue that made you pick up the five fingers and here I am. Think I'm going to go for a pair but am debating between five fingers and Xero's Speed Force. Do you have any experience with the latter?

[@blissseeker4719]

To add to this in case it matters, I'm going to be running in combat boots soon enough. But for the next few months I need to train in shoes like these.

[@kellyaugustine4591]

Didn't Vibram get burned by a class-action lawsuit because they falsely claimed that "barefoot" running was the answer to prevent all running injuries or some other outrageous claims? In short, a bunch of people read "Born to Run" and bought into the bullshit that is barefoot running and bought a pair of Vibrams. Then, they tried running in them and got hurt. As a runner who successfully switched from being a heel striker to a mid-foot striker, the process is long and takes serious commitment both mentally and physically. That is the mistake all of those people made when they tried "barefoot" running with Vibrams. Is that Vibrams fault? Not really. What is Vibram's fault is making outrageous claims about their product. Barefoot running is only good for those individuals who already have really good form and more than likely are already mid-foot strikers. The reason I've been successful in switching my form is because I hired a running coach who taught me how to make this transition. There is a lot of very specific strength training...especially your calves. With that being said, would I ever consider running in Vibrams? Nope. I like the cushioning in my trainers. I only run in flats at distances of 10k or less. The pounding is just too intense at longer distances and puts me at greater risk of an injury.

[@sebastianromero113]

working for nike?

[@TebTengri]

How do vibrams fit? Was gonna get some at REI so I could try them on. I don't wanna have to order a pair from vibram and swap it 2 or 3 times via shipping if it fits off size from what I normally wear(11.5)

[@GokuRunner]

It depends on your toes but for me I wear a size 12 but in vibrams I wear a 44 which is equivalent to a size 11. They used to have a pdf file you could download where you could measure your foot with. Try searching for that. Good luck Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey

[@adaiyah-zerahbahtyahudah7860]

Good idea to change. A more cushioned foot will definitely feel better.

[@nabranestwistypuzzler7019]

However, the end of the Carsons looks narrow, so I recommend the Altras instead, and at least you still practice shorter distances in Vibrams, but I also recommend practicing barefoot (even walking or maybe really small jogs) whenever you can, but obviously stop if you start to get sore and only do that short distance that you can do.

[@sahilsaharan9675]

Can you please tell are these any good for trail running?

[@GokuRunner]

I mean you can. I had issues with them when hitting a root. I broke my big toe as it doesnt displace the impact evenly when compared to shoes. Subscribe if you'd like to follow my journey

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

I assume you mean the five fingers? Better wear shoes with more foot protection. Stepping on a sharp stone that protrudes through the sole can keep you from running for days up to weeks. And the toe caps that trail shoes typically have are saving numerous toes every day :-) Eric Orton has several recommendations for minimalist trail shoes on his youtube channel. Very good minimalist trail shoes are the Inov-8 G270, the Altra Superior and the Salomon S/Lab Sense8 SG. I have the Altra and Salomon and really enjoy them! They feel minimalistic but still protect your feet. The Merrell trail gloves are even a bit more minimalistic but have an arch support that not everybody likes.

[@smokingblues5067]

Of course 50 miles on rocks.... But otherwise vibram is walking running as nature intended. Only bearfoot beats vibram

[@GokuRunner]

Yeah I think It was just PF acting up that caused me to make that vid. I've since ran in vffs again. In fact i did a 100k in them. Check out my latest reveiw i did on vibram furoshiki for running

[@thesii213]

How have the Carson's held up?

[@GokuRunner]

Held up pretty good I'm still running on them. Had them for a good while now too.

[@Paraclef]

Those vff are not for the wild outdoor. Next time pick up the one for mountains and trails....

[@GokuRunner]

I have a pair of trail vffs that I used for an ultra. Check out my rocky raccoon video where I wore those. Only lasted me 25 miles then I switched.

[@brianhowell7626]

quote from my primary care physician who does iron mans - "we evolved to run barefoot on trails, not concrete or asphault"

[@ohma.tokita1156]

You should bend your knee more. At first the speed would be slower, after a while you will get used to it .

[@interestingvideos4046]

really good advice . it really does help , instant relief. our form gets disrupted due to fatigue on long runs so we just have to remember to do a form check every couple miles

[@jrwheeler81]

I wish Vibrams would have worked for me! I've been an avid runner since I was in high school and I got a pair for Christmas back in 2009 or 2010. I ran 6 or 7 miles in them and I literally COULD NOT move the next day and for several days following that. My hips were KILLING me! That had never happened to me before, so it was obviously the Vibrams that caused it since that was the only thing that was different about my run. I couldn't run again for about a week to a week and a half. It was awful. I'm not sure why, but I guess they just weren't for me! I didn't even know they still made Vibrams, but I saw someone running in them the other day. It was the first time I had seen them in quite a few years. Maybe I'll be brave and try them again at some point.

[@GokuRunner]

Gotta go slow with them vibrams to get used to them. Build up on your mileage. Check out some of my other videos where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe to follow along with my journey.

[@VictorNickel]

Running barefoot = running on your toes, more on the external side If you land on your heel while running barefoot all the skeleton takes the force instead of calf and tendon

[@Balithazzarr]

I’m running in cowboy boys. Big heal first

[@hohuynghi]

you may stop wear Vibram but how about the foot shape with wide toe box. you should wear Altra not a narrow shoes like Newton.

[@TheSebnemism]

I feel like this video is a bit misleading. Our feet are used to wearing traditional shoes. Therefore we can't just put on a pair of vibrams and run and walk like we are used to. We have to re-learn how to walk. That can really take a long time so the process needs to be slow and steady. May even take forever for the feet to understandwhat is natural. So vibrams are good as a way to connect to your feet but not as a switch from regular shoes. One thing I can say is that my toes weren't working. Since using vibram (light use only) my toes and sciatica seem are much better. Not medical advice. Just my experience.

[@GokuRunner]

I like wearing my vibram furushikis now.

[@ayyubfaiyaz3368]

The title is very contradictory to your statement at the end of your video. It's not the shoes it's you and your injuries.

[@GokuRunner]

Yup

[@ayyubfaiyaz3368]

So you've created a pointless video. You need more friends in your life

[@adamc726]

So he loves them and suggest them, then doesn't. His videos contradict each other.

[@GokuRunner]

So weird huh? In this video I had thought my vibrams were causing me foot pain but as it turns out I was suffering from plantar fasciitis so the shoes weren't to blame 😊 I actually now run a lot of my miles in vibram furoshiki since I've found the best newer vibram models have a lot of sizing inconsistencies. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey.

[@TrailRunningWales]

I had a bit of trouble running in Inov8's on trail as there was so little cushion, but in the end, I changed to Hoka and I feel like I can run in them all day long. If I remember right they are a 4-5mm drop so not too bad. I've suffered from the calf pain you're talking about too (feels like compartment syndrome), what has helped for me is doing ankle flexibility work. I wonder if going to a 0 drop shoe has helped your ankle mobility.

[@GokuRunner]

I think squatting has helped with my ankle mobility alot more than vibrams. Getting to that low right below parrallel squat position has got my ankle flexibilty to be pretty good. Vibrams have helped with stability. I haven't twisted my ankle in forever. Knock on wood.

[@Honest-joe]

I think Vibrams are good for gentle/softer trails, but because they have thin soles they're no good for cross country or trails where you may encounter sharper rocks, it'd be like stepping on leggo with little more than a thick sock on your foot. I get their whole advertising point is to be closer to nature, but the modern foot has adapted/evolved so that most of us no longer have the hard skin to protect us from the environment. They should really work on a thicker but just as flexible sole :)

[@GokuRunner]

Thanks for commenting Oliver! Yeah on rocky trails its just painful to run with. Check out some of my other vids and subscribe if you'd like.

[@adhiperwira3523]

Wise enough

[@GokuRunner]

Thanks. Check out some of my other vids where I run 5ks to ultramarathons. Subscribe if you want to follow along with my journey

[@Will_b83]

Brother, I could have told you not to wear them on jagged terrain. They are great for paved surfaces and even light trails. But stuff where you’re crossing everything god has to throw at you is just not their element. And crazy ass Vibrams people will tell you otherwise…don’t listen.

[@andrewgarza1504]

Thats cuz ur not supposed to run with flat foot shoes 😭😭

[@GokuRunner]

😲

[@icyog128]

Your feet hurt when you run probably because you plant on your heel first, try running on the ball of your foot

[@GokuRunner]

It was pf.

[@SevenDeMagnus]

New subscriber here.

[@GokuRunner]

welcome

[@MrBigTexFyre]

Dude, are you in Beaumont? If so, what group do you run with?

[@GokuRunner]

I run with the Golden Triangle Strutters. That's the group I started with my brother about 8 years ago. I stepped down as the leader of it this year though. Also do the SRS summer runs

[@clintisatallrunner]

Thanks for giving this explanation. Don't know much about these

[@GokuRunner]

fun shoes to wear. Carson's are good shoes too.

[@theartisticgymnasticsinsti1377]

Do you wan to sell you vibram??

[@creativeguy6194]

If you want to throw them please give me one of them. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@TheSandkastenverbot]

What will you wear on the other foot?

[@JQuiv_Official]

Cant afford the price here in Philippines give me 1 please to fix my flat feet :) thanks hope you read this .

[@JQuiv_Official]

Size 11 (45)

[@GokuRunner]

Bro that would cost me so much to ship to you and I'm struggling myself. I'd suggest try running barefoot and build yourself up. My friend runs ultramarathons barefoot and can easily step over pine cones. I wish i had all the money in the world to send my shoes to the Philippines in a balikbayan box but as it is I don't. I promise you if I ever get to 100,000 subs you'll get your shoes from me.

[@sidmichael1158]

Can you donate it to me instead?

[@GokuRunner]

Ha. I wish but I still am running in vibrams just actually did a 100k distance in them. You wouldn't want my stinky vibrams! Check out my video TwoFourEight. Sub if you'd like. Happy running kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6WzonWwgqifi9k&ab_channel=GokuRunner

[@max4459]

W VFF

[@GokuRunner]

love em

[@SevenDeMagnus]

It just looks terrible but it's cool they invented. God bless, Rev. 21:4

[@GokuRunner]

Yeah they wont win any beauty contest

[@Wheatcake]

Ain’t these the gta shoes

[@GokuRunner]

Gta?