Why I Think Anakin's Turn WAS Earned

[@heywoodfloyd9]

People shit on Anakin's dialogue and delivery. He's an outcast, a former slave. He was made to live among people who are on some level psychic and telepathic who also discourage passion of any kid. Where conformity is demanded. He's not a poet, an orator or a Romeo. Of course he's going to sound stilted and corny when trying to be romantic with Padmé etc. It's true to character.

[@alih122]

Bingo🎯

[@Thunder_Bird0]

After 27 years of prequel hate and misinformation i appreciate you select few KZbinrs that make these analysis videos. I’ve always wanted to see people appreciate these movies more especially after Disney bought the franchise.

[@aor_254]

I don't know man, even going from the point of no return as you say where he reluctantly kills Windu, he seemed awfully willing to commit several child murders 10 minutes later with no questions based on a vague possibility they might be able to save Padme. It never even occurs to him he is being played. He could have tried to just run but he goes whole hog into child murders, and no one was monitoring him 😂. He could have just left it to the clone troopers if he felt so torn but was like, "nah, I got this fam" 😂

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

The only thing missing; Anakin: You killed Master Windu! Palpatine: No. WE killed Windu. Followed by the moving of the goalposts. Palpatine: For us to learn this power over death, ya gotta kill everyone else too. Anakin: WTF! You heavily implied you already had this power!

[@kendrathompson5207]

Over the years, there has been a lot of literature, options, character analysis about mainly Anakin, but Luke as well. All of this background does make you see the films, especially the prequels, in a very different way. When I first saw Star Wars, I was really lucky to have had a friend at the time who was a real Star Wars nerd and he did explain the story to me and that made me understand the films better and hence become a fan. I have just ordered the book "Revenge of the Sith" which I'm looking forward to reading. The person who recommended it says it's better than all the six films put together. So I'm still quite happy to learn more about Anakin and by extension Luke. Star Wars is an excellent story, but a complex one and I do think it's worth listening to an analysis of Star Wars, its characters and also about the actors who play those characters and then it's a much more interesting and enjoyable watch.

[@karlsengupta7185]

I agree with you. I think the films do a marvelous job paving the way for Anakin's fall to the dark side. Shmi's death alone would have been enough, and as you point out, there were many other factors besides. And I think one issue that also plays a serious role in Anakin's fall is the Jedi teaching about love...Rather than explain it here, I refer you to an article in _Star Wars Insider_ from around the years 2002/2003. The author critiques the Jedi fears about love and argues that Luke's approach was far wiser.

[@alecjackman2655]

I feel most arguments regarding his turn being rushed moreso stem from after he killed Windu rather than before. It makes sense that he’d become Palpatine’s apprentice in that moment because as said, he felt like he had no other choice, but at the same time though even when he killed Mace he stilled showed signs of remorse towards one of his rivals. Compare that to him being stone cold killing children later and it kinda does seem a little surreal. It could’ve helped if they showed us more of what he did in the temple where he can start off showing some doubt and perhaps even show hesitation towards going to stop a clone who was chasing a youngling, but with each Jedi he feels forced to cut down, the more unhinged Anakin seems to get. This could all lead to the youngling scene in the council chamber being the pay off of all that, where at that point Anakin is completely lost in the sauce from already killing so many Jedi that he no longer seems phased killing more innocent victims in the name of his goals.

[@raletadic9423]

Very much earned, not just trauma dumping which cramples story progression. It’s very well written in an outline sense, it’s just that the dialogue is clunky and you need really good actors to pull that stuff off, but that’s a George Lukas shtick

[@MikeChamp]

Anakin at that point, didn't fully trust anyone. He started believing that OBK and Padme were having an affair and mocking him behind his back. He didn't trust Sidious either, but he trusted him more than anyone else. Sidious was really just able to confuse him enough that when Sidious played the fool against Windu, Anakin acted out in desperation and confusion. If the Jedi council had given him a bit of praise, things may have been different.

[@WakenAngels]

The Clone Wars fleshed out his turn. He saw so much death and the bureaucracy of the Jedi and the senate facilitated the war. Obviously he didn't know Palpatine was behind the whole thing from the shadows but he saw the Jedi's response and disagreed with them anyway. And then his padawan was framed and she left and that was a huge bro because he lost his little sister and apprentice. But yes the big thing that turned him was Palpatine basically suggesting that he had to grow in the dark side to use the power to save Padme. So he just had to tap into raw emotions. Of course, if he was thinking straight he would have realized this was a ruse. But Anakin wanted to control the galaxy and already distrusted the Jedi at that point. He didn't just turn because of Palpatine. He turned because he wanted control and the Jedi held him back.

[@dbmurch]

I’ve had this take for my entire adult life. I don’t defend the quality of the prequels. The writing, the acting, the cinematography, the over reliance on not ready CGI, I won’t try and convince anyone those were done well. What I have said, and will continue to say, is that walking out of Revenge of the Sith, almost 20 years ago, and still today, I understand why he turned. I have sympathy for Anakin, and put in his place, I probably would have made the same choice.

[@aka_Ingmar]

You and i have discussed this at length but From a writing standpoint, the turn made complete sense. But from a movie standpoint? No. They didn't show enough to get to there.

[@unfunnyducky]

The way I see it, Anakin was already struggling throughout the entire clone wars. The final turning point was seeing Mace Windu, who previously was on him about the Jedi rules, about to kill an unarmed man. That unarmed man happened to be who he thought was the only way to save his wife.

[@aka_Ingmar]

@@unfunnyducky see the clone wars argument would be fine......if that was at all in shown in movie form. But it's not

[@unfunnyducky]

@@aka_Ingmar It's still part of the story though. But yeah his fall to the dark side definitely makes more sense with it than without

[@aka_Ingmar]

@@unfunnyduckyas far as I see it, no it's not. The issue isn't the story writing. Like i said, from that standpoint, it works, but from the execution of the movies? No

[@OGrupxe]

​​@@aka_Ingmar Just...watch the Clone Wars? It exists for that same reason, there is a jump of what, 3 whole years from Attack of The Clones? Those 3 years of war have been filled with disappointment after disappointment, all of it leading up to the point where we start Revenge of The Sith. By then, he was already greatly desilusioned with the Jedi Order. They wronged him time and time again and their involvement with politics got them blinded and corrupt. Revenge of The Sith shows us the final straw that broke the camel's back, not the entirety of his turn to the Dark Side from the bright-eyed, hopeful Anakin we see in the Phantom Menace.

[@AchillesAnew2]

There’s so many holes in this where do I begin?? Yes, Anakins life was very hard from beginning to end however: 1.) sidious kills all of Luke’s friends, and Rey’s, in front of their own eyes and offers them an out. Neither of them took it. So ya, Anakin was supposed to do the right thing in the moment. BEING A JEDI IS LEARNING SELFLESSNESS. 2.) he could’ve killed windu, lied and told everyone he stayed at the temple, never to become Vader. 3.) are we forgetting he broke the rules by pursuing a woman? If he followed the rules he never would’ve been manipulated. Sidious didn’t even KNOW force heal?? 4.) he didn’t need sidious, he needed force heal, he could’ve just idk… asked 1 of the TEN THOUSAND JEDI: “Hey bud, gonna teach me some of that force heal sometime soon?”. The list goes on, there are SO MANY ALTERNATIVES and I’m just supposed to watch this and say “ya I can see why he murdered children and joined space Hitler” 😂 what kind of logic is that? (Don’t get me wrong tho, he is my favorite character) In conclusion, a Jedi must forget his own problems and do the right thing in the moment. If you actually believe Anakin turning is justified it says more about your character than his.

[@alih122]

@@AchillesAnew2 wrong

[@AchillesAnew2]

@@alih122 😂

[@chimpychimp4921]

If you have to do a video to explain why Anakin's turn was earned, that means that it wasn't earned. The problem isn't the story. It's the execution that made it not earned.

[@dsfddsgh]

The dialogue and wooden acting didn't help Anakin's turn. The fact that good actors like Samuel L Jackson were also not good in the prequels tells you all you need to know about George Lucas a a director. Also they needed a better actor for Anakin than Hayden Christensen who just didn't have the acting chops to pull off a tormented character.

[@alih122]

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[@hadesflames]

Although I don't disagree with most of what you said, the whole "there's no turning back" argument is complete nonsense. Your logic is literally "I ran someone over. Oops, welp I guess I'm a murderer now. Might as well become a serial killer." Like no dude. That's not how that works for normal people with consciousnesses.

[@InfernosReaper]

The problem is the dude goes from "I need to save my wife, who dies in child birth" to "I'm going to slaughter a bunch children" without much development in between Seriously, all that advanced tech and they literally can't just give her a c-section and avoid the problem entirely?!

[@williamstormo2922]

Ikr

[@alih122]

@@williamstormo2922 clown🤡

[@alih122]

Anyone who doesn’t understand is beyond hope. I swear some fans are the dumbest people on earth.

[@williamstormo2922]

Your insane if you actually believe that