Why I would not buy a new SsangYong in 2020 | Auto Expert John Cadogan

[@brianweller7114]

I have owned a Ssangyong Rexton for 18 month. The vehicle has been excellent.

[@kloppskalli]

but it looks awful

[@Will-nb8qk]

What a great car. The 2022 model looks and drives great. Paj sport or fortuner are garbage in comparison.

[@mezdaddy]

Love your Videos John, I bought a Musso XLV at Christmas and have been enjoying it, I tested the Triton/Hilux at the same time but as I'm 6'5 and their cabins are tiny. I don't see how you can justify a depreciation cliff, when brands like Audi, mercs and BMW are work 50% of their value after 3 years. It's a great car , first new car I have even bought, and I'm 40 and probably had well over 40 cars in my life. So it's certainly the safest and most comfy to drive. Anyway I'm extremely happy with it. Glad it did not pay $65-$75k on a Ranger or Hilux now that's a good way to pi$$ money up against a wall. 😀

[@Zall77]

Couse I have a feeling Mr sarcastic John is getting payed by the big sharks to say things like this about the new companies… there was same type of people 20-25 years ago when Kia and Hyundai came out everyone just said booooh now look at them ever 3 car is from Korea… No need to believe everything…. Best to find out things and Reviews is from private groups where the owners sharing their thoughts…

[@7s29]

I'm about to purchase a Musso for the same reasons you stated. I go off what people that own them say, and all I've heard are good things. The fact the south Korean army uses them says plenty.

[@Will-nb8qk]

@@Zall77 : It’s an insanely great car. Roomy, comfy and as much power as anything in the range. I couldn’t justify paying the exorbitant prices for names brands. I’ve driven and owned most of them lol

[@phillipmarnik]

I asked my North Korean friend, "How is it going?" He replied "Can not complain"

[@AutoExpertJC]

That's essentially how it is.

[@twinshock175]

Said in a Korean accent "Ssang Yong Complain".

[@bralgon63]

Try "complaining" in Victoria right now..... Then you will appreciate in the blink of an eye we have become a fascist dictatorship. The Brownshirts wear a different shade, however.

[@ferociousfreedom4145]

@ChrisHallett83 it's only delusional conspiracy theories that you believe in that put lives at risk. various gov agencies admitting the varus hasn't even been isolated. don't like our freedoms and due process of law go to North Korea, you don't belong here or respect this country it's clear

[@BoleDaPole]

True, those fascists want us to wear masks ( long times symbols of white supremacy) #BLM #NOMASK

[@sahajnakrani4152]

I have owned rexton since 2014, and still loving it! Amazingly it have crossed 1 lakh kms and still drives same. -love from India 🇮🇳

[@user-gs3kt7vs3y]

We had a 2008 SsangYong Rexton RX270xdi, amazing car especially if u can get one with 10,000km on it, already depreciated a fair bit, ours lasted 350,000km and was still going strong!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Impressive longevity.

[@tobiasmcgill3781]

Late 1990’s Mercedes engine and gearbox probably helped you there.

[@AkarZaephyr]

@@AutoExpertJC "Name of your sex tape" ;-)

[@juliangraziani7299]

@@tobiasmcgill3781 Merc reject you mean?

[@pedrodon9091]

@Jilian Graziani It's no secret that SY used to utilize rejects from merc or others, but latest series look and drive nice

[@richardkratochwil7600]

I took one for a test drive yesterday, I was very impressed, and seriously considering buying one for my business, resale is not a worry if it’s a business vehicle, it’s a tax rite off anyway, big tub, plenty comfortable and spacious, at 35k on road it’s hard to beat, specially when a new Ranger is so over priced, after 10 years non of them are worth much, the dual cab market is huge, so why wouldn’t another company want to buy them out? Good vehicles at affordable entry level, I certainly wouldn’t buy a Great Wall or LDV, cheap and gutless, I’ll take my chances on a Musso

[@JamieJoseph88]

I'd take a Musso over a Great Wall any day

[@vvjp5732]

Great Wall is a joke

[@adriandraganescu6040]

Here's one reason why YOU SHOULD consider/buy a Ssangyong tho.... All of it's parts are made in KOREA which is most obviously not a third world country... this company is one of the few that still does that. Most manufacturers, including Kia and Hyundai have outsourced almost every component of their cars. What do you think it means to have all sorts of different components of the cars made in different countries? Think for yourself, but I'll give you a hint... it has to do with reliability. Even worse, sometimes they are assembled in third world countries directly. Before someone comes to bite at me, I am myself resident in a third world country... and I would never buy a car assembled or made here. Sure... outsourcing gives people work and that's great.... but not on my expense.

[@alanhindmarch657]

I have owned a New SsangYong Korando for 18 months excellent vehicle, no faults, excellent build quality, would buy another. So don’t understand what your problems is with SsangYong and it’s not the 5th largest brand, but the 3rd larges vehicle manufacturer. I get the same kind of comments from people in the UK, till they look at the the car and change their minds. This is only your thoughts on SsangYong, not everyone’s.

[@davowood1]

I have the 2019 Musso. Test drove all the competition - I bloody love the Musso. I have no interest in resale - I intend to drive it for as long as it lasts! (Or as long as I can get spares!). I wanted an SUV with a tray - and that’s exactly what it is. Now if Hyundai had a ute available..... 🤔

[@colinatkins271]

Watching you from England John, I really enjoy your no nonsense informative posts. Keep up the good work!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thanks Colin, Enjoy summer mate.

[@patrickfogarty5809]

I need a short length Ute so what do I do now? Dualcab

[@CanonFirefly]

No nonsense is not how I'd describe John's videos. At least 40% nonsense I'm fairly sure. 😂

[@4x4touring47]

@@CanonFirefly 55.5% fkn funny nonsense! 👌👍

[@patrickfogarty5809]

@Pangolin Steak & Bat Gravyno need to check in just need ideas on short tub dual cab utes out there. Considering triton cab chassis and dropping a short tray on it.

[@tonys8243]

I've owned a Musso for 18 months and so far proved to be bulletproof not one problem. I think the marketing of the brand has and still is substandard missing some good opportunities here . I bought mine knowing paying 10 to 15 thousand less for a similar Toyota you are always cop it on deprecation when moving to another vehicle .

[@Sistematyk]

Ordered a 2020 Ssang Yong Tivoli 16 400 euro in Romania Bucharest. In December i receive it. Did a test drive, simply awesome car.

[@stephenwarhurst6615]

SsangYong make great cars it's only problem is lack of commitment to the Australian market. Like when was the last time you seen a SsangYong TV ad? People will buy something if they know about it

[@grantdavenport2036]

No mate, ssangyong don’t make a great car champ, they make cheap cars - end of debate 😉

[@scottb6046]

@@grantdavenport2036 spoken like someone who knows nothing about them - end of debate ;) the owners here seem happy champ. I'd take their word over yours.

[@grantdavenport2036]

Scott Bennett 😆😆😆 ahhhh that’s gold mate ! 👍 you know that I know nothing about them eh ? 😆 you’re a crack up. This video was commented on by someone who did in fact own a ssangyong so yeah champ, as originally commented - end of debate 😉

[@vvjp5732]

Who even watches TV anymore? I see Ssang Yong ads everywhere - on KZbin, Facebook etc.

[@kadironcu6444]

Ssangyong got it right this time, Musso is inexpensive, reliable, comfortable and built quality is on par with high end utes in the market. I bought 1 in 2019 and i was so happy with it I replaced 2 of our company utes (Foton Tunlands) with Mussos in 2020. Never had issues finding parts for service and never needed parts for anything else. I must point out that I don't do much off-roading but for long drives it is really comfortable. I previously owned a Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara and Foton Tunland, and Musso is the only one that ticks all the boxes for me and I never heard any Musso owner complain about their car. It is the most underrated ute in Australia.

[@ghmusic8116]

Kadir Oncu Unfortunately SsangYong for some reason or another? Cannot find a buyer The Edison deal that was supposed to have gone ahead was cancelled today so their future looks very very sketchy their uncertainty is turning people away.

[@baxtersfarm]

Had my Ssangyong in the UK 2 years and it has been perfect - 100% reliable

[@frankpuliafito3104]

I have a 2020 ELX muso which is the entry level with the long tub and leaf springs for about 8 months. It has the same power out put and Its rated to tow 3500kg and carry 1025kg combined with alot more extras than a triton which only tows 3000kg and carries less and also came with 7 year warranty, I tow 3 tonne regularly and it does a good job, it also has 4 wheel disc brakes and limited slip diff which alot of utes dont have. Its basically closer to a top of the range ute than an entry level ute. I paid $36k with tow bar tub cover, bed linner etc. The tritan equivalent doesnt have anywhere near as much (not even proper rear vents or bed linner) at a lot more cost after negotiating. All the reviews liked its drive with leaf springs over the tritan but you seem to be the only one to call it a shit box. As iv mentioned before that you dont know shit about cars and my proof is that you call every car you review a shit box.

[@geomichael1]

Well his point is basically its not a long term brand. So good luck earing any money back when it does finally break or when you do resell it.

[@DavesShed]

@@geomichael1 I'm not sure the depreciation is a big issue. New 4x4 utes now start at $50,000. More like $60,000 for something like the Musso XLV ultimate. 40% depreciation of $60,000 is $24,000. Versus 50% depreciation of $40,000 Musso is $20,000. The Musso could lose 60% of value and that is still only $24,000. Difference is you didn't borrow another $20,000 to end up in the same place so you are still ahead. I think the real worry is will they be around to support it or will they pull out of all RHD markets?

[@berniepfitzner487]

John did a recent video on the Ssangyong tow rating in real world situation which was very interesting.

[@7s29]

@@berniepfitzner487 His findings can be applied to almost all the new Ute's, so it means Nada in the real terms.

[@berniepfitzner487]

@@7s29 I suggest you look at the video I'm referring to. A musso with 3.5 ton towing behind can really only accommodate the driver to stay under the GCM. Even a few accessories will put it overweight It is the worst in the category in this respect Side note: I think the musso is great value if Ssangyong can back them up with dealer service for the next few years.

[@maxpcint]

Tested drive a facelift 2021 Musso. I never want an Ute. I was aiming large SUV. But hey... this musso is changing my plan. It drives like a SUV, the ultimate spec is more luxury then any other brand on the market. It gonna help me do my road trip with 2 kids AND I wont need to rent an Ute in the future for any gardening work.

[@klaspeppar5619]

Why does everyone always talk about South Korean cars and not North Korean cars? I mean they have cars that are “so powerful, that NASA wants one”

[@greglieberman]

Sorry John I’ve been driving double cab utes since the early 90,s. I’d call myself a long term expert. The Musso is hands down the best Ute I’ve ever driven regardless of price. Fully loaded Ranger, hilux, Amorok, $70k. Fully loaded Musso $45k and it’s a better car. No brainer.

[@ajonnieq2002]

AFTER READING THAT COMMENT. I'M SOLD. WHAT'S LIFE WITHOUT A LITTLE RISK, OR A $100 K TO DROP ON A CRUISER. CHEERS JQ

[@bigyin2586]

A red flag feature for cars sold in Australia by manufacturers who consider the Australian market unimportant to them is possibly whether they can be bothered to put the indicator stalk on the correct (i.e. right) side of the steering column. Just a hypothesis.

[@dragospahontu]

Bankrupt

[@Elite_Txm]

Too late. Bought a 2020 Ssangyong Rexton Ultimate and I absolutely love it.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Good fir you.

[@Elite_Txm]

Auto Expert John Cadogan I thought you loved the Rexton? Also, what happens to me and my 7 year warranty if/when they fold? Basically, am I completely fucked? 😬

[@DavesShed]

@@Elite_Txm 1. Depends if they fold 2. Depends if they fold or are bought out (which seems more likely) 3. Depends if the people taking over want to keep the brand or strip the company for it's assets.

[@numbereightyseven]

"I never thought I'd be wearing a mask into a bank and demanding money."

[@rfmonkey4942]

But here we are!

[@pagophilus]

I have a Ssangyong, albeit a 2013 model. Love it. Has it been perfect? No. Do I complain? No. Would I buy another one? Yes, if one of the models in the line-up suited needs when it's time to buy another car. I'd just make sure I have a spare brake light switch on hand.

[@veiloflight]

I had a ssanyong Korando. It was an excellent car.

[@raypayne5980]

My Dad just bought one, he loves it, He only travels about 5000kms a year

[@WayneMcKenzie]

Lack of dealer support makes any car a lemon, particularly now that home vehicle maintenance and repair is now near impossible to do due to the complexity of the electronics, high engineering tolerances and very long warranty periods. I had a 2012 SsangYong Actyon which I purchased as a repairable write-off. It had spent it's life at an iron ore mine and had done about 70k tough kilometres and suffered a major drop into a hole. Anyhow I completely stripped it, repaired it and had it relicenced. The car is well engineered and put together, it is a quality manufacture. What let this particular model down was the automatic transmission sometimes failing but guess where that was designed and manufactured? Australia. Yes an Australian company, SsangYong were supporting local tech manufacturing. Too bad for us, they didn't catch on. I had no problems with my Actyon, not even the transmission played up. My son needed a commercial vehicle for his business about 4 years ago, he has to drive long k's between jobs, could not afford a new car so we bought a very low K Actyon ute in near immaculate condition (popular utes the same age and ks were over double the price secondhand) He still has it and it has done well over 300k and he still does regular long trips. I drove it recently and the suspension and steering still feels like a new car, diesel engine is still quiet and smooth, manual transmission and clutch still tight. All its had in that time are tyres, water pump and belt tensioner. I'm not a trained automotive engineer but I know engineering quality when I see it. Another thing, it was physically easy to work on, simple and accessible (I have rebuilt a few cars from the ground up).

[@WayneMcKenzie]

Actually he hasn't replaced the water pump, it's done over 340ks!

[@bestteam1228]

this car earns the highest rating in a Ute segment from the most reliable review site(Product Review Australia) Musso:4.3 Dmax:3.7 Amarok:3.5 Hilux:3.5 Triton:3.4 Ranger:3.3(no wonder!) Navar:3.3 Bt-50:3.1

[@ghmusic8116]

SsangYong have gone bust & are currently in court receivership. I've just recently sold from new a 2016 S.Yong Tivoli with low miles Reliable? It most certainly was not.

[@bestteam1228]

Finally bought a new face lifted Musso about 2 weeks ago It’s far beyond my expectation and I praise myself literally every time I drive for my decision buying the Musso Bang for the buck? No I would have bought it if it was even over 55k

[@scottb6046]

I think some on here are getting ahead of themselves. Ssangyong still outsold Fiat, Alfa and Citroen combined last month. Their sales had improved on previous months. June was actually their best month since relaunch. The trajectory is right. Much better than if it was going the other way. Yes they have some financial issues to address which is why a sales process has began to find new investors. There's talk of 4 parties so far being interested. Could be more. KDB have worked with Ssangyong and allowed them to revise loan terms. The company, at this stage, is no where near the administrators paying them a visit. With Samsung securities and Rothschild working with the company, they are in pretty good hands. At the end of the day, unless you are a mass producer like Toyota or Hyundai etc there's no guarantee that any manufacturer will stay in our market. Hell Holden was a top 10 seller here and GM pulled out completely to the surprise, I think, of many. It's one thing to pull the Holden brand (which was kind of expected) but for GM to leave all together was a different story. At least expected they would keep Chevrolet or another GM division here for presence. Point is, a lot of manufacturers are vulnerable. Even Honda's future is somewhat up in the air with the company's decision to completely downsize and reduce their dealer network here. So are we meant to just be sheep and stick to the top 5 brands for certainty? If so, that would make for a pretty dull automotive world. If anything, now is the time to get out and support the brands that you may be a fan of. And no I'm not necessarily referring to Ssangyong, although that would be great if people did. I love the brand but understand others might have a soft spot for other low volume companies. In general the auto industry is struggling at the moment. People can't complain about of a lack of diversity in our market, whilst at the same time dissing the smaller guys. I'm a fan of Ssangyong because they make great vehicles. Anyone who speaks to the contrary probably hasn't test drove or owned a new one... I'm not deterred.

[@adriandraganescu6040]

Glad to see someone here that thinks properly. Cheers man.

[@chazzwozzer09]

It's 2022 now and Ssangyong is still here. Any new updates?

[@saeed1507]

You think its a review but it fills your ears with bullish/philosophy/procrastination/stories rather than actual info

[@bigwangmark]

I think daewoo was the real flea on the ass along with GM who took it over.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

We had a factory in Romania not long away from my house that used to build Daewoo. Good cars, they sold back home.

[@MrBikeman7]

I rang the salesman who sold my Musso to me this morning and he contacted the 'higher ups' in SsangYong. They said things at ok for the next 3 to 5 years, but are looking for investors. So get from this as you will.

[@sexyfacenation]

That information is completely useless

[@garynew9637]

Haha

[@SonofthePhantom]

One of my neighbours just bought a Musso. Traded in his 3 year old Navara for it.

[@grantdavenport2036]

He’ll regret it 😉

[@billsingh75]

Navaras are outdated junk

[@KhanhKhuong]

I own a 2019 Navara and also had a chance to drive my friend's Musson, there is no way my Navara can catch up with the Musso in terms of power, quietness and equipments. Very regret that I took the drive on that Musso and now my Navara seems like a rubish that stuck in my head.

[@kaijub143]

Bought a ssangyong for daily so far no problems! I am actually impressed, other than looking for oem parts its a bit of a pain especially those service maintenance item like sparkplugs, cabin filter, oil filter and coil plugs -new zealand

[@TheBrewjo]

I've had a TK Barina, cough! shitbox for 10 years. Fun fact, if you pop the cover off the dash instrument panel and pull the black plastic covering the LCD panel, you reveal the rest of the LCD display... Now you've upgraded to the 'premium/sports' package.

[@scottoliver5442]

15 mins and no real information

[@brandon-hh7jf]

This hasn't aged well....since JC prophesised the Ssangyong's collapse in Australia the company has gone from strength to strength.

[@frankus54]

Have a 2008 Kyron 2.7 Diesel since new with now 420,000 Km on it. Kept it properly maintained and it has been a solid and reliable car.

[@peterallen4331]

Loved the Cough on GM korea.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thank you.

[@pro_undercover6925]

My dad owns two rodius 2018's and he didn't had any problem with any of them. We still love them.

[@riz5652]

its doing very well in New Zealand

[@Lyricistnz]

NZ a tiny market

[@territoryproud2452]

I’ve just heard from a very reliable source that ssanyong are very close on a deal with a US company for ownership. Stay tuned. If it comes off I’m straight into a Musso. ex triton and hilux owner.

[@danmoloney6966]

@@ghmusic8116 The Edison Motors group finalised its purchase of SsangYong Motor for ₩305 billion ($A354.8 million) in January this year, as part of a court-led sale that stipulated a credible business plan to help the debt-ridden Korean manufacturer survive.

[@ghmusic8116]

@@danmoloney6966 That deal was cancelled today (Collapsed)

[@mem2929]

Sangyong rexton 2021 review please John! Let’s see if they have improved!

[@jinsei1202]

Hi John, thanks for the video. A quick update from Korea. Market consensus here is that the Korea Development Bank will extend the $100m loan to keep SsangYong afloat for the time being. Samsung Securities and Rothschild are now searching for investors who are interested in acquiring ownership or at least partial stake in the company. With no further details released, Korean stock market has been speculating that China's Geely or Byd are among those companies that have expressed interest so far.

[@yengsabio5315]

China's creepin' in!

[@AutoExpertJC]

Interesting - thank you. Still: no profit for 12 years now. How attractive can it be as an 'investment'?

[@jinsei1202]

@@AutoExpertJCTrue. Rumours are that Byd or Geely will turn SsangYong into a plant for producing their own EVs and export to Europe and US. Korea has bilateral free trade agreements with both so it enables them to skirt around heavy tariffs on made-in-China products. Hope SsangYong will survive.

[@scottbennett9203]

Thanks Jun Chang. I have also read somewhere that in addition to Geely and BYD, that Vinfast and even Ford could have expressed interest? Any word of that in Korea? Ford already have some kind of arrangement with Mahindra for producing vehciles in the Indian market.

[@jinsei1202]

@@scottbennett9203 Hi Scott, correct. some have been speculating Ford may step in and use SsangYong plant to produce their cars. Vinfast is also believed to have shown some interest. We will have more visibility in 2 -3 months

[@SoshiMECH]

My sister is looking at buying a Korando to tow a caravan... For under $40,000 you get 2000kg (braked) 750kg (unbraked), a 7 year warranty & the Ultimate spec. Everything else in this class starts at over $50,000 and you would probably need to pay more to get the same level of spec. The Korando is a really compelling option in this class and I think after the pandemic SsangYong could find a bigger market share. The other thing to take into consideration is that SsangYong is sold in India under the brand of Mahindra and that could be a market that could keep the company afloat through the pandemic. I could be wrong but I have a feeling they aren't going anywhere in the foreseeable future. Like most companies their plans are simply on hold and despite Mahindra taking ownership back in 2010 I feel like they are just getting started with the Korando (and they are also planning to release an electric version).

[@pranaym3859]

Though Ssangyong cars are good and Mahindra is in good shape they aren't interested in that brand anymore. They just bought Ssangyong for technology and now they're looking for a buyer. Its going to be a rough journey or maybe downhill for Ssangyong.

[@SoshiMECH]

@@pranaym3859 The lasts news/rumour... auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/passenger-vehicle/cars/haah-automotive-bid-for-ssangyong-is-likely-to-give-entry-to-chinas-chery/77715383

[@matthewhayes7765]

UK comment here. I've just bought a brand new D'max, and if there's anything I've learnt. It's buy a vehicle with a good dealer network. I'd buy a Ssangyong tomorrow. It can't be any worse than this D'max. Firstly in the UK we don't get the 3.0, we have to make do with the 1.9, so I'm sure the engine in the Ssangyong is fairly comparable. My Isuzu is hardly gutsy to say the least. Plus it's had a few issues, all basic fixes, but he dealers have made it a nightmare. It took 4 months to find out it needed a basic software update (it had a juddering sensation on the throttle. It had a bad software installed which they brought out a updated fix for)...think about that. 4 months of driving a brand new vehicle which juddered because not 1 dealer knew the fix. It just needed an update. Which Isuzu already provided. And all the screws which hold the plastic wheel arch liners in fall off, and Isuzu can't source the right ones to replace them. Their parts diagrams, which I've seen with my own eyes, quite literally don't show the right part. The dealer's can't get them. So I've had to fabricate my own...On a 2019 vehicle... All in all I love my D'max. It does great MPG and serves its purpose for work. But don't try and put other brands down. This is to everyone, not specifically this guy. VW, Toyota, Isuzu. They're all mass produced on a budget. None of hem are made to aircraft spec, because no one could ever afford them. Just buy one, even if it's a Ssangyong, and run it into the ground. Jobs a good'un

[@CathodeRayNipplez]

A SsangYong? It's said 'A fool and his money are easily parted'. What I want to know is how a fool gets that much money in the first place?

[@sgiant5419]

Inherit it? Be lucky enough to win lotto? Sadly, I have seen both scenarios.

[@grantdavenport2036]

😆😆😆👍

[@malandvulamachawe6323]

I would like to know too!

[@jodywilliams6004]

I came here for an intelligent review, you obviously have the knowledge but totally lack any knowledge of what is acceptable in this day and age. Sexual innuendo and use of smutty language like a pubescent teenager only detracts and makes for a rambling and too long review that could have been half the length, and just as informative. Won’t be watching again.

[@roshanpoudel9987]

U are really not positive to SsangYong.... but actually it is very safty and good vehicle manufacture

[@raphaelkoch1573]

He'store worries about the brand leaving Australia.

[@broosingelaere1675]

I have a acyton sports from 2008 and i love it the car runs great and strong the fact is they dident use merc rejects they made the engine fore the c class merc ordert the engine from ssangyong because before they made cars they made engines

[@6750cc]

I have de-badged my 2005 Ssangyong Chairman, which leaves people perplexed as to what type of vehicle it is!

[@ghmusic8116]

Mercedes E-Class

[@daxi004]

Why do you have to talk like Popeye!!

[@adoreslaurel]

It all gets back to what you always advise John, Look at the size of the dealer network, as well as taking note of what reports you can find as to the reliability factor and whether certain brands have dealer networks that stall whenevder you really need work done,particularly under warranty, I saw in the paper last week that Jeep admitted that their service had been crap, and they are now saying "we have got your back, we have learned" I will be interested to watch your videos in the future when someone has a Jeep problem..

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yep - there's more to it than just price.

[@adoreslaurel]

@@AutoExpertJC Agreed.

[@anonimaanonima803]

Norman, if you like it, wait to see if they survive and don't have to be scared to buy musso xl. John's prediction is self-fulfilling prophecy dependent on his listeners' obedience :) Pajero and Triton may beat musso in some aspects, but wins in other. The interior, capacity and comfort is impressive. As for depreciation, 40% of 60 is always more than 50% or even 60% of 40 thousand (top version musso xl). I'd go for it, of course if it stays alive. the potential new owner cannot be worse than m&m or Daewoo. I wish them luck because they started making very nice cars

[@richardsmith2879]

In Britain Ssangyong is doing badly. A little bit cheaper than the competition, better than they used to be when they majored on pure ugliness, but apparently the ride isn’t great, the specification is not quite competitive, and there is terrible depreciation. I hardly ever see a new one but there were a few about a couple of years ago when a new model came out. Now the whole market is in a real mess, and with hybridisation, electrification, government regulations perpetually on the move, and people having worries for the future, it is only the companies perceived the safe that will survive. Probably. Apart from everything else they should have ditched that name yeas ago and called themselves something short and spellable.

[@atx-cvpi_99]

If the sales done badly in the UK, it would be bad in the USA too if they sold cars here.

[@DavesShed]

They could do "badly" in the USA, but that might mean selling 100,000 more cars.

[@ghmusic8116]

I've recently sold a 2016 (From new) S.Yong Tivoli 1.6L Diesel XLV with only 38k miles on the clock...All I'll say is TG it had a 5 year warranty nothing but mechanical problems from day one Glow plugs Air condition to Turbo failure I can see why they've gone bang tbh....Avoid! Ps they were originally known as 'Dong A motor'

[@nebuchadnezzar9641]

Ssang Yong???....I thought they stopped selling those here in Straya about 10 years ago. Maybe that says something about their marketing, hence possible reasons for demise.

[@clemapted5193]

Very happy with my Ssangyong, no problems love it!

[@salmilici2699]

I would look at a 2020 model in around 2025 when someone other than me has endured the wrath of depreciation

[@mazdaman1286]

Try getting parts in 5 years time....in the UK " sorry mate 3 month lead in time "...

[@numbereightyseven]

Wrath of depreciation, and unreliability, and outdated safety (which was Chinese-quality to start with).

[@johannesschaller5510]

Not to mention endured the swathe of deprecation, some of it no doubt self-inflicted.

[@a.gordon.1385]

I had a 1997 Ssangyong Musso Wagon a couple years ago. It was ok in crap sort of way. I especially liked how the transfer case shat itself on the Bruce Highway and stranded us. Boat on trailer as well. Fun times.

[@markwright196]

So you had a 21 year old car and when it had a failure that is your measure of a brand?

[@7s29]

@@markwright196 Ikr?!

[@marko60marko44]

WHY would you use the transfer case on a highway.? it should be in 2 wheel drive...i smell something amiss.

[@billharris3650]

Hi John, With 1270 Ssangyong sold in Sheepshagistan in 2019 but only 228 sold so far this year I have a fair idea that if they pull the pin on Ausfarkinstralia we will be for the chop as well.

[@AutoExpertJC]

It is looking unsustainable. 'Ausfarkinstraya' - 13 out of a possible 10 points.

[@billharris3650]

@@AutoExpertJC feel free to use that if you wish. It's pronounced, 'Orse-farking-stralllliaaaa'. I know your dedication to correct word sounding etc...

[@scottb6046]

That's incorrect. They have sold 653 so far this year. Which is still more than Alfa and Fiat combined. Not great but it's a bit different to 228. In June they sold 213 alone. Whilst modest, it was their best result since relaunch.

[@alimojtahed1]

Considering buying a korando, I searched internet to find an expert opinion about buying this or not. I found this one which was full of talking about anything but this car. Useless👎

[@grahamstevenson6417]

I spoke with a SsangYong engineer via their Australian website last week. He mentioned new shock absorber valving will be in MY20 Rexton's and an factory bullbar will also be available soon. He believes both these improvement/options should be available in Straya later this year

[@MattBlack6]

I remember you saying in a previous report, that a car factory needs 350000 cars minimum a year. And that came from a high level Hyundai source.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yeah - literally at the highest level...

[@MattBlack6]

That's nearly as high as the people who think Scumo is a good PM.

[@scottbennett9203]

Election result says differently brother.

[@kingbee17able]

G' Day John, If I knew I could get 15 years out of the new Musso as I have out of my 2005 Musso sports I would still buy one, but you have put a fair bit of doubt on that happening. I am not a fan of mitsubishi and wouldn't go after holden to do that I might as well stay with the Musso So what options are left for $36,000 in a manual 4x4 twin cab ute. Kind Regards Noel.

[@Mike-xx8bl]

I have a long wheel base ute and I think its fantastic. Ive been to Bridsville and back, no problems I also tow a New Age 18ft Caravan, the ute has no problems towing. Ive had 2 D-max, never again, and Toyota, forget it. The Musso is very comfortable on long trips.

[@broncpal4244]

John....you keep on referring to our 'The Land of Oz' as...'Shitsville.' I'm just interested to know what part or parts of the dirt sticking above the waterline on this blue-ish marble we all float through space on, you don't regard as 'Shitsville.' Granted, Orstraya isn't perfect, but then, where else would you prefer to reside other than here ? Could it be Merica ? Could it be Europe ? Or, could it even be one of the Middle Eastern block, or even Ruskyland, Chinkland or somewhere else around Asia, or anywhere else for that matter. Could it even be that little paradise island tucked away out there somewhere in the Pacific ? Actually, I couldn't blame you for that one. Anyway,...if so, then I have to ask the question....why aren't you there ? The way you talk about 'Straya,' you make it sound as if there's a fabulous place out there somewhere which is so much better than here in 'Shitsville.'

[@garynew9637]

Haha, hilarious.

[@DavesShed]

I came THIS close to buying a Musso Ultimate long wheel base last month. Drives very nicely and the size of the tub is very good. I think I would have been very happy with the machine itself. You talk up the Triton but that has less features for 4 grand more. The size of the tub is important to me. I didn't know they were on the brink financially although I did wonder how long they will remain viable in Australia. In the end, I was planning to replace it in 2 short years and so in this time frame I would suffer all the worst of the depreciation. Hence I did not pull the trigger. Wish I had known the corporate situation last month because it was a close call.

[@scottb6046]

Think some people are getting ahead of themselves. If you're really interested in the Musso, as I am, then I would just wait and see what happens over then next 3 months. There are 4 fairly reputable automotive companies that have expressed interest in taking up a stake. I'm not suggesting for a second that everything will work out rosy, but I do think it's premature to be riding the company off just yet. I'm going to wait and see what the outcome of the sales process is first.

[@7s29]

We have Triton Ute's at work, they not rubbish but, the Musso is way better imo.

[@gregmorley1997]

I've had a 2006 Musso ute (2nd hand) for a few years now cruise's well on highway comfortable interior , but parts and dealership support are almost nonexistent in Sydney lay alone anywhere in the bush.

[@7s29]

You can say that for almost any brand these days.

[@roshanpoudel9987]

5:20 SsangYong is 4th largest manufacture in korea... please study deeply.. or do google.

[@xpusostomos]

That's nothing, I own Australia's largest car manufacturer.

[@ghmusic8116]

Were

[@massimoalampi7009]

I have a Ssangyong Kyron since 2008 and I am very satisfied. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@1969cmp]

John Cadogan ........closing on 2023, have you shifted your opinion on Ssangyong?

[@kingbee17able]

Back again I've been out and around to a couple of dealers they claim not to know anything going on in a bad way with Ssangyong and also claim that if they went under they would still have to honor the warranty. So does one pull the thorn from the lions pour or run the other way? For the money and how well they are optioned I will pull that thorn and see how it pans out, as they say fortune favors the brave.

[@ForeverHumble101]

I still stick with my theory, there are just too many automotive companies in this world. There needs to be a major cull in car companies. Only the best will survive.

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's not a 'theory'. It's an 'hypothesis'.

[@ForeverHumble101]

@@AutoExpertJC yep something like that, I still stand by my hypothesis 🤪

[@AutoExpertJC]

It's a solid hypothesis. (Not "something like that"...)

[@stevejohnson1321]

My world would be just fine without nissan, chrysler and Generic Motors.

[@ForeverHumble101]

@@stevejohnson1321 I couldn't agree more 👍🏼👏🏼

[@jasong6709]

You must ride a push bike. I've never heard you say anything good about a car.

[@Ilikepie18855]

I actually unsubscribes because of this.... every single car is a shit box.... I subscribed again since it’s getting a bit better now

[@peteanderson2533]

"We're on the express elevator to hell, going down!"

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yippie kai ai - mother-lovers.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

Someone buys a Ssangyong: "Game over man! Game over!"

[@minem23]

Hi John, thanks for the videos, was thinking about your comments on longevity when my Durango started slipping at "mere" 190000km in the desert. The sh*tbox is now sold, I bought it used, served the purpose, 0 regrets - although I will never purchase an FCA vehicle again.

[@AutoExpertJC]

190k = almost five laps of planet earth...

[@minem23]

@@AutoExpertJC hemi 5.7 in that generation apparently has some inherent issues, this particular one kept destroying the radiator, fans, thermostats along with my patience. But I got a lot more out of it then I expected or deserved, having bought it without proper research.

[@URMyTorment]

So... 15minutes of rambling summed up in 2 sentences. Don't buy a SsangYong because they don't sell enough of them... Oh and their suspension is shit apparently....

[@royr3820]

So if there are say, 5,000 Ssangyong Musso utes sold in Australia in one compared to say, 50,000 utes of the top four models, after one year which one holds its value better. I bet that a $63k Ranger is worth only half that in just two years. Oh yeah, now we don't even make them here so how much are the parts going to cost to keep your business running.

[@ianwillats5110]

Very sad. I bought the Korando about 6months ago. Based on reviews etc. the car is great I have no issue with it, apart from it being thirsty. It was always my concern that the brand was small and reputation. Looks like I’ll be trading in, 2.5 years. I hope they stay solvent, they do make a reliable car in my opinion

[@glennpulford5324]

Your Korando is a good vehicle, this peanut hates on most cars. He has no idea what he's talking about!

[@ianwillats5110]

Glenn Pulford Yeah I’m very pleased with it. The quality for the price is unparalleled IMO. He is right in saying the company is in trouble, because they are. I did some research on this. Mahindra wont bail them out and are looking for a buyer.

[@gazzafloss]

Didn't the original SsangYong use a Mercedes diesel engine, and are they still currently using one or have they moved onto an engine of their own? Knew someone who had one of the early "butt ugly" Ssangers, they really lost a pile of dollars when they got out of it, though I believe it was reliable throughout their ownership.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Yes - they had (and still have) a technology access agreement with Merc.

[@danmoloney6966]

The diesels they use now and have for 10 yrs or more are ssangyong own engines and very reliable

[@ghmusic8116]

@@danmoloney6966 Reliable? I bought a Tivoli XLV (from new) with SY's own EXdi 1.6L diesel unit had to get rid of it nothing but trouble from day one glow plugs failing at tiny miles ridiculous.

[@ham2637]

My brother in law spends most of his life trying to fix ( or should i say break ) his ssangyong rexton. he is on his second one now as the first one he had spent most of its time in pieces in the car port. Now the second one is also in pieces. Every day of his life he is out trying to get it to work. So i have just read many comments below and many owners actually like the rexton and think its a great car, it must just be that my brother in law is really crap at working on them. he's always puling them apart and using hammers, oxy torches, grinders etc etc to try to fix / break them.

[@bolevolisnezu]

Holden=Vauxhall=Opel and is nowhere close to collapsing.....in europe tho...maybe in Australia is...idk

[@AustinPetDetective]

I Hate to say it John but the same quotations, the annotates, the titillating analogies over and over again, the continuous Theatrical mindless humor and posthumous sexual repetition is getting a bit old and outdated now. Can you please change your script, and maybe and talk like a normal human being for once, without all the thematic and bilateral references we all love to hate ?

[@TomS-ho6td]

Needs more ming molls with tough stickers

[@santillbrezon2161]

Another great video and very good advice John, thank you.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Thanks very much Anthony.

[@santillbrezon2161]

@@AutoExpertJC your welcome John.

[@gfox431]

Why are the comments turned off on the Rexton review?

[@kakabrat7592]

Can you explain about honda vetc- i engine? Thanks.

[@AutoExpertJC]

No.

[@davidthompson882]

Auto Expert John Cadogan hahaha that’s a mic drop moment

[@adamdixon2251]

@@AutoExpertJC how about honda vtec

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

It's kinda like Jurassic Park. Bloody brilliant idea from a kid's perspective, but the reality can eat you whole while sitting on the toilet.

[@albertkang1052]

5th biggest car brand in South Korea but sells less than a few or most imports. Its just another Holden drama.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Quite possibly...

[@garfieldsmith332]

SsangYong started out as Ha Dong and Dongbang and later renamed it self Dong-A-Motor. Then defunct Daewoo bought into it, then the Chinese, then the Indians. No wonder it is a Yong-Bong-Ding-Dong- Bang-Bung of a company.

[@maximuscomfort]

I herd it has a Mercedes oil burner too. Or, was it the Daywoo.

[@letsseeif]

So, Essentially in English, the car's a Big Dong. At least boasting cost nothing. [a free added extra]

[@EnthusiastAustralia]

Thanks for the no shit review, John. I like what the new Triton is offering & now considering the hit in resale value, I think it's a given.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Triton is the smart call at the moment.

[@DiHandley]

I’ve got a Triton and a Pajero Sport and they are both excellent value for money.

[@bess2056]

The tritons aren’t in stock and have to wait 5 months. What’s the next best option for a budget of $50,000? Musso?

[@Michael_Mears]

I bought a Holden Colorado in 2018...couldn't be as bad as that(?).

[@stendecstretcher4983]

I bought a 2019 Colorado. So far so good. Going to keep it for ten years hopefully.

[@markkennewell1296]

Bought a 2015, now has 200k on the clock, work it hard and for 36k got to say I’m happy

[@awebby8085]

Is this still your opinion on SsangYong?

[@ghmusic8116]

A Webby He's 100% correct in his narrative I've recently sold (from new 2016) a SsangYong Tivoli XLV (1.6L Diesel) nothing but mechanical problems from day one glow plug failure Air con to Turbo failure & all at tiny mileage..SsangYong are currently in Court receivership (Bankrupt) & at this stage look highly likely to go into liquidation as they can't find a new buyer...Steer well clear

[@martyvandervaart463]

Just bought a Musso, it was hard to beat the offer. 7 year warranty with unlimited Kms with just about every owner review positive and every car reviewer giving them the thumbs up . I use it as a work car and it will get run hard for 5 years and do around 35k a year. The confortable interior will be a big plus along with the tubs capacity. Who give a a f*** if I only get 10K trade in after 5 years when I am only paying $600 month repayment for a new car.

[@AyJayR28]

JC says “three foot razor blade..” - I get an ad for “Katana” power tools!!

[@lesliedsouza4077]

Yes John - Ol' Bill had so much figured, that echoes down, to this day :) Down through history - "Many a time and oft" (Shylock, in Merchant of Venice), have industries had to do a Hamlet - "To be, Or not to be".... Yes, Ss could be bought - but the bank might have to do a write down? Kinda, "Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune?"...

[@AutoExpertJC]

Sharper than a serpent's tooth...

[@lesliedsouza4077]

@@AutoExpertJC ... A thankless child? King Lear? That's what Mahindra might be thinking - after Ss & BSA motorcycles ?

[@dougstubbs9637]

Depreciation on dead brands is all to real. The child bride has kept a dunnydore as daily driver, she intensely dislikes dents in her Genesis from uncaring fools in shopping centre car parks. Last of the VE, purchased new, less than 80 on the clock , maybe a bit long in the tooth, no tech etc, but last year insured for $10,300 agreed replacement. Received renewal notice, valued now $3400, no argument. Never had a claim on this car. We know when insurance companies do drastic devaluations like this, they seek to be able to easily wright off a vehicle due to any damage, and get them off their books. Stay mainstream brands, or enjoy pissing your money against a wall.

[@AutoExpertJC]

Ouch...

[@Noah_E]

They should have changed the name years ago. Acura, Audi, Buick, Dodge, Fiat, Ford, Honda, Jeep, Kia, Lexus, Mazda, Mini, Nissan, Subaru, Tesla, Toyota, Volvo. 6 or fewer letters, easy to pronounce and spell. SsangYong sounds likes something you wouldn't order at a Korean restaurant, not a car Co.

[@craigandrew6409]

Years of mismanagement and poor marketing. Their cars are actually decent quality. Mercedes Benz Technology throughout, European quality interior. Shit all over Hyundai's cheap plastic interiors that scratch just by touching them. Unfortunately parts and servicing are too expensive here in Australia, and next to no after sales service.

[@gregstunnell3342]

Where has the ungratuitoue use of the "Ming Moles" gone? lol

[@mdebarchez]

Disappointing news, I had my eye on a Musso next year, and a local dealer told me recently they were starting to move them, but he was likely full of shit, thanks for the heads up John

[@AutoExpertJC]

He'd be the only dealer who was moving them...

[@arokh72]

Yes he was moving them...from one part of the dealership to another.

[@kspau13]

@@AutoExpertJC i saw two new ones getting around in north queensland recently.

[@scottbennett9203]

He might not have been full of shit mate. They did have their best month in June since they relaunched. Still room for improvement obviously but at least the trajectory is in the right direction. Ssangyong still outsold Fiat, Alfa and Citreon combined for the month according to Vfacts. I'm still interested in the Musso. Just going to hold off a few months to see what happens with their sales process. 4 automotive giants have expressed interest. Geely, BYD, Vinfast and even Ford. Should know more about their fate in a couple of months. I'm not putting them in the grave just yet.

[@mdebarchez]

@@scottbennett9203 yeah mate I'd say I'm in the same boat, I really hope they turn it around