Why iRacing’s Unrealistic Physics Make It A Better Training Tool

[@brianstoneley227]

I have just discovered you for my first time , you explain the tyre model extremely well with logical reasoning and although I haven't driven in IRacing because I can not afford the subscription fees, I believe your comments on IRacing. I am disabled and race on ACC and AC from my bed with all the equipment including the single screen and everything else mounted on a wooden console table that's on wheels and rolls over the bed to give a driving position. I'm nearly 70 , disabled and started Sim racing for the first time at 68 years old. I am not that quick with a PB of 2.02 at Silverstone in a Ferrari 296 on ACC. But I find the feel of the Force Feedback through the steering wheel much more immersive on AC compared to ACC. I would be interested in your thoughts on this and any useful tips that could help me improve my times on track . Thanks and best wishes Brian aka g0rlbm.

[@Rave-agent]

Iracing sounds like it is the perfect sim for accountants.

[@jedijon1228]

I am a iR fanboy but as you have mentioned in both of your latest vids YOU are so right & I agree with you 100% - I drive for the competition (I am not that good around 2k)) but I really enjoy it & accept it for what it is - I started to delve int LMU which again I can see being another great sim with its own particular style required to drive / race in it - being 62 years young I have noticed particularly in iR everyone gets hung up on their irating instead of actually realizing what they are doing & why, not to mention where & more importantly to have fun & enjoy it even when you are taking out, as it will & does happen ..... Have a great day GM & a very Happy New Year to you - No you WILL not get me to unsubscribe I love your content such a fresh view / onions great value keep at it

[@sim-dynamics24]

You are absolutely right. Its why us real world racing drivers particularly of the older/no data lower grip generation i.e 80's/90/mid 00's or drivers who have never worked with professional motorsport people struggle converting to ultimate pace in iRacing and why so many make excuses about simulators. BUT, without question this flaw in the tyre model helps develop the correct mental apparoach for serious real world motorsport because whilst it is fustrating and it isnt like a real race car behaves (unless its a TCR car on Dirrezas, which feel exactly like the iRacing tyre model) it DOES make the driver have to focus on their personal inputs to the controls and the cars response on a whole new, much more personaly focused level. Its why I recommend iRacing above all other sim titles to my customers and friends entering simulators for driver training.

[@voongnz]

The tyre model and physics of whatever sim you use can easily be learnt and mastered, but that's only half of the tool of the sim. The other variable and just as useful tool for real world racing is the opponents. iRacing's player base and accountability with the protest system arguably provides this the best. Generally the larger the player base, the more people there are at the upper end of the bell curve to sharpen your racing against. Question is, is it better to be in top split there or be the big fish in a small pond (raceroom, rf2 etc) where the strength of field is likely lower.

[@EduEK4]

I´ve been saying this for ages word for word. Thank you for this video.

[@tompettersson3814]

It sounds weird but i went from the first Colin mcrae rally to real life rally driving. What cmr taught me and gave me a bit of an advantage was the ability to listen to pacenotes.

[@MrBlingclean]

Have you seen the episodes with Sebastian Jobe, going from sim to F1, really interesting when he was asked how does it feel compared to the sim. Lol. Worth a watch

[@Hellknight27]

Comment for the algorithm.

[@VMVarga-yf6eg]

I feel like you are gaslighting the ispend developers here. Well done! Bravo 🙌

[@redshift1058]

I have a question. If you're in the mazda and the rear starts to go sideways, it's basically goodnight Vienna every single time, otherwise known as "iracings terrible tyre model" that "they are working on." Here is my question. Since you can already drive like that in iracing (rally cross, super lites etc), why are they having so much trouble getting this fixed? I know they're different cars, with different power to weight ratios and all that jazz. But it still demonstrates that they know how to manipulate their physics engine to allow for a bit of slide and catch, so they must just be not fixing it on purpose right?

[@JSRacing61]

much like rain tires, dirt has their own unique tire model too. Also the newer cars like the SFL is most likely on a newer revisions of the tire model, or using new techniques for compounds & general construction basis. Gotta remember that not every car on iRacing is on the same version of tire model - they stopped naming them largely a few years ago (they only just mentioned that they have the v10 tire is in the works currently, where as there hasn't been a real mention since v7 prior). As a example, there's 2 oval cars (Sprint Car & Silver Crown) that are STILL on the v6 tire model - which was updated last nearly 10 years ago & haven't seen a major tire/physics update since (besides the new damage model & general bug fixes). Have to remember that each community/genre subset will see a swing in their direction as time evolves - so it's always a back & forth where fans of a specific car/genre of racing has to be a little patient

[@redshift1058]

Agree with all of that but my point is they do know how to create a tyre model that you can use more realistically and they aren't implementing it, despite widespread acknowledgement that their tyre model is bad. Tbh, I'm hoping to hear from gamer muscle on this subject since he does have a much deeper understanding of this stuff than us lot.

[@WealthForge44]

How about the new tyre model on some iracing cars? On the new bmw m2 cs for example

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Its still rubbish and nothing like a real tire / miles off AC1 or even AMS1 fundamentally the cars just slop around like a brick bobsled requiring ridiculous premeptive driving and little to no reactive driving if you want to be even moderately fast.

[@Hexadeci]

Mind blown. Is this really gamermuscle, or his evil twin? 😂 I pretty much only do iRacing now…so I’m a fan. I think this is pretty accurate. The downside is I think there’s a lot more rote memorization through repetition that separates skill levels in iRacing. No doubt the fast guys are just fast, though. Once you master a car in iRacing it’s just as “feel”-based as any other sim, even if it’s not “realistic” FFB.

[@RyJones90]

I like to overdrive and dial it back from there which is probably why I absolutely hated iRacing!

[@mikewilliams5024]

I love the intro...please subscribe so you can unsubscribe when you get upset! What a great philosophy, to make the content you want and give your opinion openly. I laugh every time i hear this :-)

[@channelvr1293]

So why doesn't it let me win ??

[@AtomicAndi]

This positivity is getting pathological!

[@Krukikro]

Listening to a decade of 'iracing got the best physics' , and now that i'm tip toeing into it, everyone taking a 💩 on it 🤡.

[@ZingZingNZ]

Best simulator of racing. Is the issue. It's the same almost as racing to rc cars in a international race. It's still racing.

[@redshift1058]

I'm not sure anybody, ever has said that iracing has the best physics. For better physics there is AMS1, AMS2, RF2, RF2, R3E, AC, ACC, Project cars 1, project cars 2, all forza, all gran turismo. But, for well populated and well managed online multiplayer racing where you can get a full grid at any time of the day or night, iracing absolutely shits on all the titles I just mentioned. It's incredibly frustrating 😅

[@redshift1058]

Sorry RF1

[@17peteclarke]

Gran turismo and forza lmao

[@redshift1058]

Fair enough, I was taking the piss with those two, but I stand firmly by the rest of the list 😂