Why is Company Management Always Terrible? - How Money Works

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@HowMoneyWorks
@HowMoneyWorks 2 жыл бұрын
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@123TheMpoMan321 2 жыл бұрын
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@Lawrence330
@Lawrence330 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you immediately followed with the Peter Principle, because that was the first thing I thought when you said, "ideally you'd be promoted after doing a good job at your current job." I served 8 years in the military, and the Peter Principle is in full force there. You can be a great tech and a bad manager. The idea that you "must" be promoted is toxic. It's okay to be a tech.
@GamesPlayer1337
@GamesPlayer1337 2 жыл бұрын
You wrote "Bloonberg" where you meant Bloomberg.
@demon2441
@demon2441 2 жыл бұрын
Who edited this thing? So many typos.
@DevinRisner
@DevinRisner 2 жыл бұрын
This video was well done but it looks like you missed some typos. At some point a slide read "porperly." This may deter some from sharing.
@kage-fm
@kage-fm 2 жыл бұрын
my favorite manager spent most of his time trying to shield me from the poor decisions of those above him.
@LadyWithAKnife
@LadyWithAKnife 2 жыл бұрын
So relatable
@dronepilotflyby9481
@dronepilotflyby9481 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, my colleagues and I, at one IT contractor company, had the same experience. When our manager left we couldn't believe how things were being run. Within 6 months nearly all my colleagues, myself included, left the company and within a year the contract company was booted from the site.
@johndenver6769
@johndenver6769 2 жыл бұрын
@@dronepilotflyby9481 If the company was that bad that so many employees left so soon they must have been a great manager. 6 months is crazy.
@mvib1604
@mvib1604 Жыл бұрын
Mine too
@DrEhrfurchtgebietend
@DrEhrfurchtgebietend Жыл бұрын
This is the real job of middle management
@ericspencer8093
@ericspencer8093 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, the biggest fail of management has been the seemingly built-in disconnect between them and operations. The higher up the ladder, the more removed management becomes from daily operations, resulting in a lack of knowledge/understanding of the how, when, why things function (or don't) by the very people making those decisions.
@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley
@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley 2 жыл бұрын
This. Or they know things are awful, but don't want to hear how to make things better. I work customer service but before my current job, I've always worked mostly at call centers. The one I stayed at the most took calls for a lot of undesirable companies. And not just "Grr, how dare Bank of America charge an overdraft fee!", but more of website layout being such that it tricks customers into clicking on things they didn't understand and now have been billed way more than they intended. Initially, they allowed us to refund these charges, but then stopped, claiming the customer should know what they've selected. I went through the website myself and if it weren't for already knowing what to look out for, I could easily see how I could be misled into adding additional and unnecessary services to my order. Customers would call in irate, and because this was a huge portion of the calls we took, every day, all day, was just being yelled at. Oh, and during election season, so between September until the end of October, we also had to take political calls. We literally dropped everything to focus on those calls and it didn't matter if the candidate didn't align with our views. One year when I informed a candidate made me unformfortable and tried to go back to my regular calls (which inspired a few of my co-workers to do the same), we were all told the next day that we still had to do them (with the unspoken message that we otherwise would be fired), that it was "just a job". Ha. No. No, it's not just doing a job when you're pushing people to have someone elected, who's policies will shape that area (and possibly beyond. Politicians build a resume and their area of effect grows bigger the more titles they hold on that resume). Management never asked how we felt about all of this, and yet the owner, who was often there (this was a family owned call center), would beg us to recommend new people because of the high turnover. They'd never be interested in hearing the opinions of someone like me, and due to my mental health taking a beating, I left. I often had said the job wasn't that bad but I knew deep inside, something was wrong. I liken that job to an abusive relationship and only with distance can you then see all the ways the relationship was toxic. If management had cared more about retention, they would've asked what is making people leave. They don't truly care, they just wanted asses in seats.
@starwarsnewsandmemes8289
@starwarsnewsandmemes8289 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to explain it pretty well. In most jobs I've had, my boss has been pretty tolerable, but their boss is usually mediocre at best.
@piaxerofchaos1309
@piaxerofchaos1309 2 жыл бұрын
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley "I left. I often had said the job wasn't that bad but I knew deep inside, something was wrong. I liken that job to an abusive relationship and only with distance can you then see all the ways the relationship was toxic. " As someone who hear your story first time, I have to say you had a shitjob and good you got out. Telling people how to vote as side job while main job was being yelled every day? This job sound like it shouldn't exit at all, nobody should do something like that for job.
@TheLily97232
@TheLily97232 2 жыл бұрын
And as a lowly employee, your voice do not count. Also apparently you're not worth because you are down in the corporate ladder or something ?
@TheLily97232
@TheLily97232 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I work in a hotel and we keep having issues with hot water and the ac because of the machines being old. Instead of renovating. They keep calling for the same issues each week. We keep having complaints and handling angry clients.... the rich bourgeois who owns the hotel doesn't give a shit and even makes fun out of it. THIS IS YOUR HOTEL GIRL WTF
@greenfrog8871
@greenfrog8871 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an electrical engineer. Many moons ago I was asked by the General Manager to create the next generation product for our company. I said no, I can't do that, but I can get it done. He remarked that that might be better. I knew I was not the best engineer in the company, but I was very good at organizing work and getting the staff to do the right things at the right time. So I was put in charge, the team followed my direction, but I did NOT provide the design leadership, that was up to the lead designer. He was happy doing that and I was happy letting him do it. The number one management failure I have seen is the assumption that the person best at the technical aspects is also the best person to manage the work. Promoting the best engineer into management loses a great engineer and usually creates a lousy manager.
@LadyWithAKnife
@LadyWithAKnife 2 жыл бұрын
Omg that's exactly what happened at my work. Not in my program but in separate neighboring program. They lost a supervisor/staff coordinator and management decided to shuffle the senior worker into the role. She knew her technical stuff, been there 20 years but she never supervised in her entire life. Long story short, multiple complaints of micromanagement was submitted, gossip of her snooping around asking staff to monitor their coworkers to ensure they're doing their job, and she was walking around at 8 am in the morning, every break time and every lunch time making notes of who's back at their desks on time. All emails sent by her were as urgent and she started to have the staff do weekly quizzes to test their knowledge (in person, at empty tables, like back in grade school).
@Zaprozhan
@Zaprozhan 2 жыл бұрын
The good general doesn't have to be good at tank driving, or shooting, or fieldcraft. It can give you some bonus points with the troops, but you first need to be a good general.
@psychshift
@psychshift 2 жыл бұрын
I find this interesting shouldn't management be both I mean if their your superiors/boss. Then shouldn't they know what ever it is you don't about your dept? What do I do now or how do I do this? Or I need help? Management should know better right?. Classic saying oh I don't know I'll go get my manager they'll know.
@greenfrog8871
@greenfrog8871 2 жыл бұрын
@@psychshift if a manger had in depth technical know how, it is probably obsolete. Managers worry about resources and setting up/following processes. Tech expertise is the domain of the staff doing the job. For engineers, keeping abreast of tech is part of the job, it is not part of a manager's job.
@shadowjmg2
@shadowjmg2 2 жыл бұрын
@@psychshift depends on the complexity of the work. Should the manager of wal-mart know how to work at wall mart yes. Does the manager of a bioengineering research lab also need to be an expert in that field? I would say no. They simply need to work with the team make sure they have what they need, who they need, and that they aren't wasting too much time.
@mikedaniel1771
@mikedaniel1771 2 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head at 8:25 - the reason people want to become managers is because of prestige and compensation. If you accept that management is just another necessary job function, pay them the same as those they supervise. This keeps the sociopaths out because then the only incentive to become a manager would be because you LIKE IT.
@drew2pac
@drew2pac 2 жыл бұрын
One area to consider is that progression into management if often the only way to increase pay. So let’s say you’re a great lawyer, you want to get to partner. You need to manage. But, they are completely different skills. Someone could be shit at law, but a great leader. And vice versa
@dorianodet8064
@dorianodet8064 2 жыл бұрын
Very true. One key issue with management is how we systmatically set the system to fail. Manager are higher than worker, so manager should get paid more. Why ? Some worker come with rarer, less replaceable skill set. Managing is another skill set all together. As said, it's people skill, tranversal skills ... It's usually quite thankless and difficult, so I'm not saying that manager are not valuable and should not get paid more, but by making it to always be a big pay raised compare to worker, you end up with the wrong people in the job
@mikfhan
@mikfhan 2 жыл бұрын
Management should remove obstacles, assist in prioritizing work so overtime is avoided, connect the people who need to talk together, AND take the blame sometimes even if the developer made the mistake (especially if absurd deadlines prevent proper testing). It is a support role. Not all managers realize this. The good ones do. When the system is broken and situation management is on the call, it's the developer that matters, their manager just tries not to get in the way.
@kyletempero
@kyletempero 2 жыл бұрын
I only hope more companies understand the value of talented skilled employees. Often skilled specialists are of great value, but not paid enough and results in incorrect promotion or company loss.
@BittermanAndy
@BittermanAndy 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly the Peter Principle which the video talks about in depth.
@Kannot2023
@Kannot2023 2 жыл бұрын
There are companies that has double career path specialist and manager.
@maxxon99
@maxxon99 2 жыл бұрын
It's the trouble with the traditional career model. To move up, eventually you need to move into a managerial position. You can't get a raise just getting better at what you currently do, for some reason... So frequently this results in turning great salespersons into poor managers.
@terrytitus5291
@terrytitus5291 2 жыл бұрын
that is why they are dead end jobs,got maxed out with a quarter raise after 6 months,was at a place that didn't give workers raises,some idiot stayed 5 years!
@incurableromantic4006
@incurableromantic4006 2 жыл бұрын
My experience of hiring and firing is that it almost entirely comes down to who you know. I have a friend who got catapulted into an *unbelievably* desirable position he was is NO way qualified for - because he was in a social club with the person doing the hiring. It wasn't even a club with anything to do with the industry in question. Honestly it's why I wanted to strike out on my own, I *hate* schmoozing.
@Max-lf3tx
@Max-lf3tx 2 жыл бұрын
It also doesn't matter that nepotism doesn't happen too much in top companies. It happens alot at the lowest levels which artificially boosts people, who then go on to work at the top. In essence this has the effect of screening top companies from nepotism. I've seen this happen many times and it's international too.
@branofilipovic9608
@branofilipovic9608 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, it mostly happens on personal level, not on skills or something. But I also think the people generally dont mean it in a bad way. I am very good when it comes to logical thinking and maths, studied physics, do programming. The closest I was to some high position was during a board game. We were playing a more complex board game, I won through some good choices, after the game a friend of a friend who played with us mentioned he is a top manager in a tech company and was interested in me, asked what I do, i told him, he was wondering if I am looking for a new job. I gave that a pass. But he did not mean it in a "bad" way, like to help me cause he briefly knew me, he wanted to do that cause he thought it might help the company. Sadly for us, people put too much emphasis on personal connection.
@thethinkingmansgame5050
@thethinkingmansgame5050 2 жыл бұрын
That's what normally happens.. not everyone can be a manager nor should be
@MiM-hh8xz
@MiM-hh8xz 2 жыл бұрын
The problem I see is that a lot of poor managers are drawn to the position to boost a fragile ego. These people are generally insecure and see any opposing opinion as a threat. They're quite rigid and more likely to impose their ideas on those they manage which in turn leads to a pretty unmotivated and disconnected team.
@johnnyvivic8730
@johnnyvivic8730 2 жыл бұрын
This right here is the most relatable comment I've read so far.
@ribbleslap
@ribbleslap 2 жыл бұрын
I even feel it in myself. That's how I know it's true. I am in the lowest rung of my corporate organization, however I nonetheless pay careful attention to the feelings of resentment that bubble up toward the behavior of my colleagues. I so often have to remind myself that everything really is meaningless, and life is merely a play. I'm sure anyone who actually "knows " anything is terrified of this interpretation (i.e. managers) and I reckon that someday even this KZbin comment will become a liability.
@lagamingnote1391
@lagamingnote1391 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion managers doing 1 huge problem, they just trying to control, in my opinion managers must make workers more passionate and discuss what they must improve, I'm going to be in marketing college and after it in managing university. Have been helping my friends who are making games find and help with new workers, keeping them interested in work but at same time make them work faster.
@fillername458
@fillername458 2 жыл бұрын
In the military we used to say that shit floats when referencing the type of people that seem to rise to power. Another friend pointed out that once a company gets bad leadership they always promote people who subconsciously they share a lot in common. This continues the poisoning of the management pool until it is so sick and toxic that the business is likely to die. Bad middle managers and lower managers realize that if they promote the hardest most competent workers there will be none left to cover for their incompetence. So they must promote the lesser employees so that the work still gets done and the newly promoted are never a threat to their boss as they are also too incompetent to take their managers job from them.
@uncreativename9936
@uncreativename9936 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I've learned, if you've built up good will and reputation with the people above you, if they leave the company, it's time for you as well because your past reputation essentially left with them.
@cosmictreason2242
@cosmictreason2242 2 жыл бұрын
Is that last paragraph part of the Peter principle or does it have a different name? I’ve been denied advancement because my competence has been a threat to people above me
@fillername458
@fillername458 2 жыл бұрын
@@cosmictreason2242 No, it was actually referenced by a professor of mine when I was in college. If a manager promotes the best workers they will by default hurt the managers department and require them to find another golden goose so instead the hire the average person who kisses ass.
@RsSooke
@RsSooke 2 жыл бұрын
Managers are taught that they are more important for thinking about work than their subordinates are for doing work.
@ericgarza7201
@ericgarza7201 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly stated thanks
@IFearlessINinja
@IFearlessINinja 2 жыл бұрын
I mean they are in a sense.. I wouldn't have a job without management creating one in the first place, right?
@stephen8342
@stephen8342 2 жыл бұрын
@@IFearlessINinja not right, the demand is there regardless of the existence of management and those managers aren’t creating jobs, they are filling jobs for the larger company and rarely have all that much over sight or authority to make choices without corporate approval. Not to mention it’s debatable that managers are even necessary. Obviously you need some kind of organizing individual but it’s unclear that you need them to constantly keep on their subordinates
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
Who told you that?
@dekippiesip
@dekippiesip 2 жыл бұрын
​@@stephen8342 we work acccording to agile scrum methods in our company, and the product owner and scrum master are essentially the 'manager' for practical day to day tasks. The real managers are only involved at a more abstract and higher level. For things like promotions, evaluation talks, and coordination with other managers/higher ups. And they base most of their information of of feedback from product owners.
@sharpsheep4148
@sharpsheep4148 2 жыл бұрын
A simple solution is to have two tracks: management and technical. As long as pay and recognition is similar, skilled technical workers will not feel pressured to perform managerial duties simply to climb the ladder. Also, good managers who are not necessarily the SMEs can still manage and lead people.
@GeoSebastians
@GeoSebastians 2 жыл бұрын
This! I made a similar comment, but this is perfectly worded. Thumbs Up!
@1stGruhn
@1stGruhn 2 жыл бұрын
One of the issues with this is the fact that a highly productive technical worker can only ever produce as much as 1 optimized person. A good manager of many people can help optimize many people. Thus they can drive up production of many more people. Some things just can't scale. Compensation (both recognition and pay) will always be linked to the scalability of the thing being produced: be it directly linked or indirectly linked. Wealth is gained when you capture more than you alone are able to produce.
@PhilfreezeCH
@PhilfreezeCH 2 жыл бұрын
@@1stGruhn what are you talking about? Either we are comparing direct performance or effect on the whole company. In the first scenario the manager literally produces nothing, he is just a pencil pusher. In the second scenario you can count positive effects of a managers leadership to be at least partially his performance (remember, the workers still need to do something for this to work, so they also deserve some of the credit). On the other hand a skilled worker can easily have an idea to optimize some production process or whatever that can save the company billions. An engineer or programmer can quite literally automate hundreds of jobs away. An example for this would be the guy that invented Nescafe (or more specifically the exact process to create the powder in the capsules), he is responsible for literally billions of dollars of profit. Also as an aside, higher ups canceled his project and he figured it out on his own time in the end and for this he got compensated with exactly nothing but I am sure the managers got millions in bonuses due to the insane profits… So no, managers do in fact not have a higher impact per default, this is simply propaganda to justify their insane compensations. Also if we are talking about scalability then management doesn‘t scale very well. You can only manage that much people directly and if you want to manage more you need to hire more managers (thus introducing overhead) and your ‚vision‘ or ‚management skills‘ won‘t fully reach the people anymore due to the extra layer. In terms of scalability nothing beats software. A programmer can write some code that automates 30% of one guys job today and tomorrow it could automate similar tasks for thousands of people.
@ChasmChaos
@ChasmChaos 2 жыл бұрын
@@1stGruhn you are assuming that smart people need managing. Some of the smartest managers actually just act like PAs for their high performing team, shielding them from the bullshit that the rest of the management throws at them, leaving them free to do their job. So the smart manager exists only because of the bullshit managers who cause problems in the first place.
@1stGruhn
@1stGruhn 2 жыл бұрын
@@PhilfreezeCH I've been a low level worker to an owner of a company and every position in between. In the latter section of your comment you are disregarding the cost of risk... Regarding managers in general, not all jobs/people need managers. Often managers are redundant and especially so in larger corporate structures where you do get administrative bloat, which harms the company. But that said, a good manager keeps employees on task, determines the needed sequence of those tasks to best complete the given project, and can assess the team members' skills to assign the best person to do any given job. This is a skill and a worthwhile one at that, but not all jobs benefit from it. I've project managed for construction jobs and IT installations. Having a single project head is vital. It is not possible to effectively coordinate every moving part without a project manager so having a single competent contact is imperative to a timely and complete finished product. Even in programing, given a complex enough software, you need teams to work on each aspect and liaisons to talk with each other to coordinate and manage the bigger picture. I know folks who've gotten master degrees in certain programs (like ArcGis): one person is not capable of writing all the code needed to develop something like that in a time scale that makes sense. Effective managers do increase the productively of those under management thus can warrant their pay scale. Of course a poor manager can diminish the productivity of those they manage, thus owners/senior management need to be cautious of who they hire. My uncle, a very successful business owner, always said companies should be run like the human body: a small head relative to rest of the working body. A hammer sees a nail wherever it looks. People who don't have much cross job experience tend to value their own skill sets the most. If you've only managed things then you tend to see a need for management in every task. Likewise, those who have never managed tend to disregard the need for management. I've done enough to say that certain skills are not needed, but it is task/project dependent. The personalities of the workforce is also important, some folks are self motivated and competent and don't need much oversight, others not so much, some need hounding every second (those I'd fire fairly quickly). And finally, as I said, you need to count the costs/risks. They guy who invented Nescafe likely didn't have access to the funds/lab needed to invent the product he made. He used the resources of the company: the company took a risk to financing and marketing a new product. Risk deserves reward or you greatly lessen the odds it will be taken. He could have taken all the risk himself, but products fail every day. CNN+ lost $300 million and failed. You want to take that level of risk? Sure a programmer could make something that automates most things... but dev time takes time. Who is going to front the dev cost? That entity (person or company) merits the compensation for the upfront risks taken. The reality is that the laborer often takes the lowest financial risk.
@stephenchapel2058
@stephenchapel2058 2 жыл бұрын
My observation after 65 years of blue color work is that most managers get their positions because of cronyism, nepotism or plagiarism.
@a-woke5283
@a-woke5283 2 жыл бұрын
It shows from your comment that you were a blue collar worker for 65 years.
@JulianCaesaro
@JulianCaesaro 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly that makes so much sense. Though it’s like you said nepotism twice 🤔😅
@JulianCaesaro
@JulianCaesaro 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly that makes so much sense. Though it’s like you said nepotism twice 🤔😅
@JulianCaesaro
@JulianCaesaro 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly that makes so much sense. Though it’s like you said nepotism twice 🤔😅
@ThatGuy-mu2rr
@ThatGuy-mu2rr 2 жыл бұрын
There is an additional factor; wokeism. Those who are woke are being pushed upward while the sane and competent people are being pushed out.
@bizichyld
@bizichyld 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been turning down offers for management positions at my company for 15 years. The difference in my company is that becoming a manager is the same job I have now, but with the added responsibility of hiring, firing, discipline, and generally being responsible for every problem (of which are always endless) for a few dollars an hour pay increase. I tell them I’ll do it for double my rate and that usually puts a quick end to the conversation. However I am always a supervisor of other staff and I always follow a few rules. The first is that I never expect anyone to work harder than myself. Secondly, I will always defend those I supervise when treated unfairly or with disrespect.
@jontalbot1
@jontalbot1 2 жыл бұрын
What surprises me is that no one seems to think management education is at least partially responsible. The way it is taught- as if it were a science, in a classroom, is the root of the problem. We have not adapted our education system so that people learn and do at the same time. That is how apprenticeships have worked for centuries.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 2 жыл бұрын
I've never worked for a manager that had manager training. They were all promoted from non-management roles, mostly because they wanted more money. The one guy who was doing an MBA while managing me was great. 99% of everyone else sucked.
@prapanthebachelorette6803
@prapanthebachelorette6803 Жыл бұрын
Such a great idea 💡
@thecookiemeister5374
@thecookiemeister5374 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm, a good manager can make or break a job. I worked at amazon as a lackey, just some dude shuffling boxes around on a graveyard shift. I still smiled when i walked in (most times) because my manager was a super cool and charismatic guy. When he got moved up and replaced by some weirdo, i dreaded work and soon shifted over to day shift, even for a paycut.
@Jakromha
@Jakromha 2 жыл бұрын
Another point is that most companies only have a top-down structure. People from the top choose who gets a promotion. A healthy system should have top-down and bottom-up elements, like a team chosing who becomes their leader.
@juliusapriadi
@juliusapriadi Жыл бұрын
underestimated comment! At least you need both directions, and likely the bottom-up direction should have 51% of the vote.
@7F0X7
@7F0X7 Жыл бұрын
bottom up decisions are even more political than top down.
@Jakromha
@Jakromha Жыл бұрын
@@7F0X7 Decision-making and politics are the same thing, just worded differently for different occasions. No decision is not political or less political than another, and anyone trying to convince you otherwise had a political motive to do so.
@schultemeister6975
@schultemeister6975 Жыл бұрын
Bottom up would be even more of a popularity contest than choosing who’s right for the job
@Jakromha
@Jakromha Жыл бұрын
@@schultemeister6975 Is the most popular person at your working place bad at his job? In my experience bad workers are disliked by their coworkers.
@IL_Bgentyl
@IL_Bgentyl 2 жыл бұрын
The issue I see is most management poorly conveys information. They play telephone and expect everyone to be on the same page. From my experience everyone from top to bottom should understand the overall goal and how their job fits into that to an extent.
@kyletempero
@kyletempero 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, much of the problem is "secret" information or "need to know". This is seen in our government system as well as most of the country is unaware of what is really being done behind closed doors.
@Demmrir
@Demmrir 2 жыл бұрын
If the workers knew their role was to be exploited to work twice as hard as management for a tenth the pay, there might be problems. Obfuscating things helps management appear mysterious and potentially competent.
@lolwtnick4362
@lolwtnick4362 2 жыл бұрын
that's half right. they have to convey meaningless positives and pizza parties to keep you marginally happy to continue. i work in the public sector and we were told we can't look up people's wages nor discuss them because it's abuse of the system...um our wages are literally public and anyone can request them viewed
@GraysonJStedmanjr
@GraysonJStedmanjr 2 жыл бұрын
So true. At my last job I was a senior manager at a small credit union. I noticed how disorganised the previous Annual General Meeting was, and how none of the staff knew what any of the other staff were responsible for. So when planning for the next AGM began I suggested that we share the entire plan with the entire staff in addition to their individual duties, so everyone knows what needs to happen and we can get full buy in. Also if a particular staff member arrives late anyone else can fill in for them. The GM looked at me like I was crazy. This is someone that doesn't even share their plans with the senior management team. My advice was totally ignored and they didn't even call a meeting with staff to prepare them for the AGM until the day before. Most incompetent, egotistical and dishonest manager I've ever had in my decades long career. Glad I'm self employed now.
@noexitnoproblem6037
@noexitnoproblem6037 2 жыл бұрын
@@GraysonJStedmanjr Wow that sucks man. I think its a pride issue to be honest. "I'm always right, ergo, you must do what I say, no questions asked" The I'm always right mind set does not apply to career positions in companies.
@GeneralChangFromDanang
@GeneralChangFromDanang 2 жыл бұрын
I do mostly factory work and in every factory I've been at, management was completely detached from the shop floor. They all treat the workers like they have the plague or something. This leads to poor communication of goals or problems and in the end it limits progress.
@AimlessSavant
@AimlessSavant 2 жыл бұрын
I loathe and despise this style of management but apparently it is more common than how my restaurant co. handles it. As in managers by default have to know and do a lot of grunt work alongside the staff.
@dustinreeder7320
@dustinreeder7320 2 жыл бұрын
Most managers don’t understand the technical side of factory work and hate being spoken to like they’re stupid by the shop floor people. The problem is, that’s exactly how most managers talk to shop floor employees anyways. Management and operations CAN work together, but the manager needs to have some technical understanding and keep in mind that his KPIs are not the only thing that matters. He has to be willing to go to bat for his plant when something is wrong or unachievable.
@reaganharder1480
@reaganharder1480 2 жыл бұрын
@@dustinreeder7320 This comes up in certain industries as engineering vs production as well. I've worked one job that had engineers on site, and in that particular case the engineers did a pretty good job of taking feedback from production on the viability of things they wanted us to do, but it can definitely become an issue if not handled well.
@spudeism
@spudeism 2 жыл бұрын
Word. This is a big problem where I work at. Not with our shift managers per say but departments that take care of everything related to materials, upkeep of machinery and making the list of "runs".
@Sapeidra
@Sapeidra 2 жыл бұрын
1: I once had a manager wo wanted the prestige and the might over people. He was a ok manager, because at least he wanted to do the job. 2. I once had a manager who was competent in the job. Maybe rough about the edges but at least helpful in everyday business. 2: I once had a manager wo was charismatic and also a sales person. He was the worst manager, because he was never available and unorganized and his words rarely followed actions. 3. I once had a manager who was empathic. Finally someone who cared about the well being of employees.
@KingUnKaged
@KingUnKaged 2 жыл бұрын
The individual incentives to be a bad manager are far too powerful for most people to ignore: Which sounds more impressive? "I manage 10 people" or "I manage 100 people"? Getting the job done efficiently means losing out on prestige and money because hiring subpar people who will never threaten to leap you gives you security while also giving the impression that your job is harder than it actually is.
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
It takes a moron to hire incompetent folk. They make your life very difficult. It's very annoying to constantly fix other people's mistakes.
@l.p.7585
@l.p.7585 2 жыл бұрын
Directly managing 100 people makes you sounds like a floor supervisor at a factory lol
@PhilfreezeCH
@PhilfreezeCH 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like we just need to treat management more like a regular job, same as a lawyer, engineer, doctor or whatever, and less like some ascendance into a class of nobility that justifies immense compensations and power. People that aren‘t really good at managing other people would be way less inclined to take that management position if it didn‘t come with a pay increase. Which means it would be more likely that people who are good at it and enjoy it take those jobs. There is just no good reason why a manager should earn more than a senior engineer or doctor and lower management should probably make less since it does require some innate skill (but most things do) but it doesn‘t necessarily require a lengthy education. The only reason why manager make this amount of money at the moment is exactly because we essentially treat them like company-nobility. The manager of some production line is not just the guy with the job to organize and manage the people working on said line, instead he is THE MANAGER, lord of the workers, protector of production, next in line to the fiefdom of all production which in turn answers directly to the king of the company himself, which is given his mandate by the stockholder gods themself. Edit: For roughly a year I have worked for a small-ish company (~300 workers) that had almost no management and instead it was worker-managed for most things. In practice this meant that every team (~5-10 people) had a team-leader that was chosen on a per-project basis, it was usually the most senior worker or the one with the most experience for that project, the team-leader would make day to day decisions and go represent the team at meetings etc (but crucially he was still a worker at worked on the project 60-80% of the time). Then the teams were collected into larger groups (~10-50 people), each group had at least one dedicated office/HR person that worked in the same place as everyone else and was the point-of-contact for a lot of things. And finally the groups were collected into ‚fields‘ or whatever like production, engineering, marketing, etc. Each field had further dedicated office people but they were located in another part of the building. Each of them had a manager which would coordinate the groups and to a way lesser extent the teams. He also had regular meetings with all team-leaders and the boss. That was honestly pretty great because in your immediate surroundings everyone was treated pretty damn equally and it was a very friendly atmosphere. Also having a dedicated office/HR person directly where you work instead of in some other part of the building was so good! It was so much easier to deal with HR stuff this way, I do not understand why most companies have it as a completely separate thing, that sucks ass.
@guillermomonroy7319
@guillermomonroy7319 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds pretty good. What were the down sides, if any? Did you like that structure?
@Leto2ndAtreides
@Leto2ndAtreides 2 жыл бұрын
At Facebook it's seen as just a career track. Nothing special.
@joebobby8371
@joebobby8371 2 жыл бұрын
But then places that don't offer raises of any kind couldn't dangle to potential employees that "we are a family buisness , and we promote from within for raises"
@pbSeYah96
@pbSeYah96 2 жыл бұрын
@@guillermomonroy7319 I’m curious to know what he thinks about this too
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
Management is a skill that must be learned just like your doctor. Only in America are people promoted to managent positions just because they're good at their job. They don't have the required skills to manage teams of people and then royally screw up.
@adammorva1969
@adammorva1969 2 жыл бұрын
In my previous job we had a micromanager who made 20+ of her subordinates sit through a TWO HOUR TEAM MEETING EVERY SINGLE DAY. If a good employee spends 6 hours with productive work on a workday, that it means she destroyed 33% of our productivity with her useless meeting, where we talked about topics that were always irrelevant to 90% of the team in the meeting.
@SikhaB
@SikhaB 2 жыл бұрын
uff 😂😭
@Arisaka99
@Arisaka99 2 жыл бұрын
I work at a car dealership and outside of the Insane turnover rate, 5 general managers and 7 service managers in 9.5 years of employment, the decisions made by management and ownership are absolutely brain dead like 80% of the time. It's crazy that so many people can make so many bone headed decisions one after the other.
@davidtiller7637
@davidtiller7637 2 жыл бұрын
The shitty part is they are not open to criticism or feedback regardless how helpful it is because they are too full of themselves. Most of the time at least.
@blcstriker9052
@blcstriker9052 2 жыл бұрын
My Mom experienced that firsthand, she was their best salesperson by a noticeable amount so they decided relocate her to a new startup location to prop it up until the new manager felt they didn't need her anymore so they layed her off.
@KeithGolfs
@KeithGolfs 2 жыл бұрын
It's wild when the demand for a product or service keeps such companies in business.
@EagleXYZLibertarianForChrist
@EagleXYZLibertarianForChrist 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidtiller7637 Or even worse. They pretend to hear the workers insights (even having meetings for it) but disregard the vast majority if not all of it the information.
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 2 жыл бұрын
They get a mind tick, this idea is good for this one aspect, and terrible for 10 others and screws over most...but that one thing. And can't be convinced because of this.
@davianoinglesias5030
@davianoinglesias5030 2 жыл бұрын
You left out office politics which is how most manager found themselves in those positions
@jamshedfbc
@jamshedfbc 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely 💯
@TheLeah2344
@TheLeah2344 2 жыл бұрын
Management is also the biggest problem with my job and I also want a pay increase because my manager keeps putting more work on us but not paying us more. What’s worst is that my manager ADMITTED that they are putting more work on us so the company that already makes billions can make more money yet they refuse to pay us more. Also my company did not properly train us and they blamed us when we made mistakes when we weren’t trained properly. A lot of things I had to learn on my own.
@avancalledrupert5130
@avancalledrupert5130 2 жыл бұрын
It's simple . People who want to be in charge of people are people who never should be. The only way to get good leaders is create systems where people push people up from below not have them pulled up from above.
@ollielon5926
@ollielon5926 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy I learned about the Dilbert principle. I've always "known" about this for the longest time (I didn't know the concept existed). Throughout my years working, I've noticed that people who were less competent somehow "knew" more things than I did. I noticed that I would get recognitions, such as employee of the month, gifts, etc., for my productivity, but somehow others much less competent always got to do more things than me. My reasoning for this was exactly what the Dilbert principle states, that those incompetent are put out of the workflow. I've always thought this was unfair.
@freedomring3022
@freedomring3022 2 жыл бұрын
I've worked in many areas of society, private, public, government, you name it. I have had great bosses and I have had some awful bosses. The great bosses were great leaders, had a vision and could relay that vision to you. They were tough, but they were fair. The bad bosses were just horrible human beings. It's as if they never interacted with human beings before. As if they were aliens on planet earth or something. Some horrible bosses were also good people They wanted to be friends with everyone. The problem with that approach was lazy employees ran over them leaving the employees who did all the work to leave thus hurting the company.
@yoursubconscious
@yoursubconscious 2 жыл бұрын
I was told to do a project and feel "free to do as I please", only to receive an email 4 days later after I sent a confirmation email saying, Great, but I need you to change 90% it now. Basically 4 days of my work nearly wasted, because he decided to reply 2 days after the original email was sent...thanks!
@cymtastique
@cymtastique 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm. I quit my last 2 jobs because of management. The 1st one was a butthole, the 2nd one was incompetent and made my life difficult. I liked the second one, but making a job I didn't want to do harder to do is just...not good. I'm happy with my current job, but I'm still working towards my dream job. Always keep moving forward, people. And never lose sight of your dreams.
@hiimjustin8826
@hiimjustin8826 2 жыл бұрын
You should watch How Money Works' new video about why working your dream job is a bad idea!
@agrippa5643
@agrippa5643 2 жыл бұрын
@@hiimjustin8826 Maybe his dream job is to work from home, maybe it was bad to recommend him that.
@purpletigerracing7087
@purpletigerracing7087 2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking your comment purely for using the word butthole. Frankly, it's not used enough in society to describe people. Thank you.
@purpletigerracing7087
@purpletigerracing7087 2 жыл бұрын
I'm liking your comment purely for using the word butthole. Frankly, it's not used enough in society to describe people. Thank you.
@stevek917
@stevek917 2 жыл бұрын
The worse managers are usually those people who only think about getting promoted to manager. These are those that apply for every management job that comes available even though they are not qualified and may have very limited experience. Getting into a position of power over others is the only goal. Frequently these are also the people that grossly over estimate their own skill and knowledge of their current job. They tend to think they are the top employee even when by all measures and feedback they are not.
@TheMeritCoba
@TheMeritCoba 2 жыл бұрын
The principle described here I have seen at work: promoting someone away to get him out of the way. Another mechanism is that people don't know if they make good managers. It isn't that easy to judge yourself because you have not been in that position. So those that don't care if they are good or think they are, have an advantage in that they actually seek that promotion while the others might not apply. Another mechanism is that some managers might not want to promote their best workers because they then would loose that worker. Another mechanism is that managers might promote someone regardless of his competence because he is prepared to do the job. This happened when they outsourced the IT department in my company. People were promoted to get rid of the old IT management because they were prepared to outsource it. In fact they even hired a manager from the outside and parachuted him in because he did the job and then when he was done he left and the sitting management could blame it all on him. Another mechanism is that it is hard to fire someone for incompetence. You need proof that stands up in court and it is hard to proof incompetence. And in fact, I have never ever heard of anyone being fired for incompetence. As an example: outsourcing the IT department was supposed to cut costs with millions, In fact it was the reverse: IT costs rose substantially for years while the performance went down. At some point company confidence in the IT was at a low 2 out of 10 score. Did the guy in charge get fired? Nope, he stayed on and now runs the finance department. Yet another thing is that some managers are actually nice people even though they are terrible at their job. And another mechanism is that when you remove a manager you need a new manager to replace him or her. This new manager is often an unknown quantity unless he or she has a long proven record in a similar function, but this is rare. It is the same as when applying to a job: they want you to have experience, but you need a job to get that experience. So if you have none, they won't hire you, and thus you get no experience in that job.
@nbonasoro
@nbonasoro 2 жыл бұрын
I was a manager at CVS and it sucked because we were never given the staff hours nor the resources to pay for good staff. They company always expected more from us while giving us less help to accomplish it. These decisions are purely driven by numbers and giving dividends/lack of caps for executive pay as a multiple of median worker pay.
@Monochromatic_Spider
@Monochromatic_Spider 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously. The bigger the corporation, the more divorced the upper echelons are going to be from the operational reality at the bottom of the hierarchy. They high-up people are suits, not geniuses, and keeping track of too many details is as much hell on them as it is on regular people. Thus the use of KPI's and spreadsheets and simplifying everything into a dollar value, along with the total dehumanization of the business logic, the employees, and the customers.
@nbonasoro
@nbonasoro 2 жыл бұрын
@@Monochromatic_Spider That is not a foregone conclusion. This really depends on the culture. Do the executives spend time in the facilities where operations happen, do they cultivate an environment where when they do spend time with the staff, can the staff tell them hard truths without fearing for their job? Does the company have a history of including workers in committees that make decisions, and when employees give feedback does the company have a history of implementing suggestions brought to it. Has the company earned goodwill from the staff by refraining from cutting hours/pay/benefits every time a financial setback happens? It's not necessary for executives to be out of touch, the more we believe this to be true the more they get away with it.
@roscoerascon5248
@roscoerascon5248 2 жыл бұрын
I was the best “Banker” in my city. And top 5 in my region for the second largest bank in the US (y’all can do the research.) I was statistically number 1 and top 3 in every category. My direct manager made it so unbearable because none of my clients needed a heloc, but she swore up and down everyone needed one. Didn’t matter how much I did for them and how high my scorecard was and how much my clients loved me. She wanted more helocs. She emailed me like 10xs a day and I was micromanaged to the highest extent. All because she wanted more helocs. It didn’t matter how early I went in and how late I stayed and how great every column was on my scorecard. How perfect my attendance was. Needless to say, I left for a 25% salary increase where I make my own schedule and control everything in my territory and my boss hardly sees me and is in town maybe once a month or two. I’m glad I’m out of the rat race of corporate America and banking in general. Micromanaging is the biggest bullshit and makes it unbearable for high achievers to want to be around.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
Good for you! I worked in retail management for many years. I was ranked top 3 in sales increase across 4000+ stores in the USA. However, it was never enough. Not only was there constant demand to push random metrics, as in your case, they wanted us doing all sorts of other tasks not related to our ability to drive sales and profit. I had enough, went back to school, and now I work in finance. Unfortunately, I took a massive pay cut but I'm much happier now. I have weekends off, every holiday off, lots of vacation time, and I'm sure my salary will catch up soon. I honestly thought that I was going to retire as a high level retail manager (RD or VP). Instead, I got burned out and could never see myself back in retail. Its a horrible industry where people are largely disposable and those in management are mostly self serving people.
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSupernova111 That sounds like great stats to leverage for job and pay. Why was HELOC pushed so much? Guessing it adds to the company bottom line?
@roscoerascon5248
@roscoerascon5248 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmajere2165 honestly after studying finances and working in it for so long and understanding debt and ect… and then majoring in business. I’ll tell you why, I believe from a monetary stand point it covers the banks ass. I don’t work in banking anymore because it almost felt immoral selling people debt. If you default on credit cards or a personal loan or a auto. It hurts your credit, but it’s gone off your credit report after 7 years and the bank basically loses. In this case with a heloc, the bank basically has their shit secured through your house. You lose your job? Fuck you the bank wins and your house is what you put up as collateral. In my opinions it’s a win win for the bank because if you pay it back? Cool bank still charges interest, you don’t? Cool the bank gets your house. That’s what I’ve come to learn. Banking is just a business at the end of the day. They are their to make money. They can make it glorified that they’re there to help you and “better money habits.” But They want you to get that CC and run it up so you pay interest. They want you to get that new auto loan and pay interest. They want you to put your money with them and pay you shit interest so they can lend it out and make 5% or more off your money while you make a measly .03%. And now with helocs they can secure that debt through your home. That’s why I got out of banking. It just felt wrong selling people debt while pretending like I was helping them and ect. It hurt my soul. And also the micromanaging bullshit. I’m not a fan of that shit. There are great things like mortgage lending and business lending because not everyone has 200k laying around. But the rest of the products just felt wrong to push on people sometimes. With my new job I don’t feel it in my soul like I’m lying to them or screwing them. Like I’m pushing something that’s good for them when I know later it’s going to hurt them. I am genuinely happy to be out of banking and in an industry where service is the most import thing. The stigma about big banks being evil really isn’t a joke to me anymore after being in it for so long. But that’s just my opinion.
@tianolamas7832
@tianolamas7832 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda similar situation for me, I used to be top 10 sales people in my state and would always perform, but my manager was the definition of micromanager, (credit cards, push shoes they don't want, etc) so when the pandemic hit I transition to a more tech job in Data analytics. MY new boss is the best boss I've ever had since her Moto is literally, "Tell me what you need, Tell me who you need me to move, if you don't need anything you can cancel our weekly meetings." I once went three whole weeks without hearing of her, at all and there was no complain or anything, my project was delivered on time and we had a quick 5 minute summary of what had to be done. Love it here but will cry when I quit since this was entry level job and I qualify for more money now somewhere else :(
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
​@@tianolamas7832 . Congratulations! I'll likely be leaving my job soon as well since I have been doing it for some time and can easily get paid more elsewhere. The only thing holding me back right now is that I enjoy working from home everyday and I need to figure out how a new job would align with returning to school for a MS. Coincidentally, I'm considering a MS in data analytics. Good luck with everything. Cheers!
@Gaga682
@Gaga682 2 жыл бұрын
Problems corporations upper management favors people who are loyal, asskisser, snitcher, lovable psychopath, charming, high emotional intelligence and so on.
@adammorva1969
@adammorva1969 2 жыл бұрын
I used to have a job where I had some leadership responsibilities. My manager wanted me to micromanage my team of 12 people and make useless reports and presentations to him about our work, solely because he wanted to look managerial to his managers. It took about 1.5 - 2 days of my week to comply with his stupid requests. But I was also the best technical person in the team, so our team suffered a lot due to bad management.
@fnorgen
@fnorgen 2 жыл бұрын
I call this "Bored manager syndrome". The thing that happens when someone is set to manage teams that just don't need much management. As a middle manager in such a situation you have 3 main options: 1: Admit to your own higher-ups that your own position is largely redundant. (HELL NO) 2: Spend most of the day doing nothing. (Looks unprofessional. You lack initiative and will never get promoted) 3: Make up some new and proper management tasks to fill in your day. (DO THIS) Demand daily detailed written reports from underling formatted in an oddly specific way. Hold lengthy and frequent meetings to keep underlings motivated and coordinated. Get personally involved in every little issue your underlings run into. Update the daily report template. Create elaborate, yet half baked cost saving schemes. Demand extensive written feedback from underlings about how to implement said schemes. Implement said schemes despite stern warnings from underlings. Update the daily report template again. Write glowing reports to higher-ups detailing all the hard work you've done to maximize efficiency. You have now become Mr Important Bossman. Your underlings spend an absolute minimum of 30 minutes per day just dealing with your bullshit rather than doing actual work.
@vanesslifeygo
@vanesslifeygo 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I've spoken with a couple of MBAs and they love giving themselves pats on the back for just talking incoherently and thinking they've got you to dance to their tunes when you know it's BS. This was and is the OG "management" degree.
@Luminousplayer
@Luminousplayer 2 жыл бұрын
a ton of managers are guilty of looking more like babysitters or being particularly enthusiastic of useless meetings, its hard to find a manager that actually assigns tasks and for the most part lets the team members do their part while just keeping track of progress from time to time.
@AimlessSavant
@AimlessSavant 2 жыл бұрын
For people who are good workers they made management trivial. The few absolutely braindead or maliciously stupid people made it feel like babysitting.
@sor3999
@sor3999 2 жыл бұрын
I work in software engineer and bug took down our web servers and I knew exactly why it happened. CEO asks what can be done to prevent this? His brain dead solution? We need to have more meetings to ensure we properly discuss such a scenario. I'm pretty sure this was just code for "I have no idea." They love useless meetings because it makes it seem like they're doing something. What's worse was this person was a former software engineer so it's not like he couldn't dig into the details himself or just ask someone.
@kratos4435
@kratos4435 Жыл бұрын
And what if the team members fail in their progress?
@Baldarq
@Baldarq 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't mention nepotism, a lot of management, especially senior level is based entirely on relationships not qualifications. Our company has had 3 CEOs in two years, all incompetent because board only nominates friends of the board. This is a common trend. HR departments are also incredibly nepotistic too leading to long term problems with hiring, staff retention and unqualified promotions.
@nihilicious42
@nihilicious42 2 жыл бұрын
2:39 - *mentions nepotism*. Maybe you're incompetent? ^^
@asf8648
@asf8648 2 жыл бұрын
That’s not what nepotism is. That’s using connections and it’s something everyone will have to do, but if someone isn’t a good fit for a job they shouldn’t be kept on just because of connections. Nepotism is hiring family to jobs specifically
@ji604
@ji604 2 жыл бұрын
I think the more accurate term is "cronyism"
@EmCeeBreezy
@EmCeeBreezy 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I’m sometimes okay with hiring management from outside the company. Management as a skill that is often quite different than the specialized skills required of the employees being managed.
@xman7695
@xman7695 2 жыл бұрын
As long as the person has an understanding of what the company does. If not it's gonna managed poorly with high probability
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 2 жыл бұрын
A hope you like fat cats, because that is how you get fat cats.
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 2 жыл бұрын
I am actually 100% opposed to hiering from outside the company because upper management going from company to company and expecting to be able to run a HES, a bee farm, a software developer and a mercenary company the same way, they have no idea how the buisness actually works what it serves and how it does that.
@DarthDose
@DarthDose 2 жыл бұрын
@@Carewolf A fat cat is a caricature. You only get them if you draw them.
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 2 жыл бұрын
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 yes, *that* is the *real* biggest problem with upper management. They don't understand what it takes to actually run the company correctly, so they come in with generic short term profit approaches such as "gut as much as possible and hope things still work"
@Blackfog14
@Blackfog14 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned the dilbert principle. I call this failing upward. I know of one particular case. She worked with my department and was so inept. So dangerously bad. We moved her to scheduling. So she cant perform the duties but we are okay with her booking us shifts not knowing who does what. She failed at that too. So we had her answer phones. She directed people to different departments when calling a central line. Again failed at this. She applied for an evening shift supervisor position in a parallel department (no experience in this at all) She had to take a three month course, but she got the job. She's pretty good at it. She can move people where they're needed she can settle disputes between departments and between her staff. Here's the problem. Each of these? Came with better pay and better hours and less overall work. You're rewarding failure this is a stupid way to do business.
@Null_Experis
@Null_Experis 2 жыл бұрын
Considering she's doing well at her new job and seems to be performing it well by your own admission, this wasn't "rewarding failure" it was finding someone's strengths and putting them in a place to use them. It may have taken some time to get there, but was the end result favorable? Someone obviously saw some potential in this person and managed to put them were they were most effective.. Maybe it was a training issue? You said she needed a 3 month course, but it seems to have done the trick.
@alanlight7740
@alanlight7740 2 жыл бұрын
@@Null_Experis - the problem is that all the workers who would be competent in _all_ of those jobs are stuck with lower pay and longer hours. That's no way to keep talent and is a negative for both the company and for society. It's nice that this one inept person finally found a place in the world, but what about everybody else?
@Null_Experis
@Null_Experis 2 жыл бұрын
@@alanlight7740 If you try to please everyone, you'll end up pleasing nobody. An effort should be made, but within reason. This time it worked, so I don't see the issue. And nobody is ever "stuck" in a lower pay job, they stay there by choice. It is not your job's responsibility to made sure you are paid enough, their job is to pay you as little as possible to get maximum value from your labor, you need to actually negotiate for better pay regularly based upon merit, and actually QUIT when negotiations break down. Like actually put in two weeks notice and find a better job if you know for a fact you are worth more, and can demonstrate that.
@alanlight7740
@alanlight7740 2 жыл бұрын
@@Null_Experis - certainly individuals can do that, but the people who are the best workers are not necessarily good negotiators, and might not even be aware of their own worth. That's one half of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, which is basically the idea that the least competent people grossly overestimate their own abilities while the most competent people greatly underestimate their abilities. In any case, it's all well and good to say what individuals should do, but a company and a culture that want a bright future for themselves should strive to reward their most capable people and to not reward their least capable people regardless of whether those people are good at self-promotion. You get more of what you subsidize and less of what you punish, after all.
@Blackfog14
@Blackfog14 2 жыл бұрын
@@Null_Experis This whole event took over 6 years. We kept paying her more. She's a generational employee both her parents and two sisters work for this company. It's also in healthcare so gambling with lives. I'm very good at what I do, but I can never get more pay than the government allows I'm bound by union negotiations and the 1% increase per year and given what I signed was supposed to keep up with inflation that was a lie. I'm glad she's fitting in finally. I just wish it wasn't for grossly more pay for less work and we didnt reward her failures constantly to get here.
@laverdadbuscador
@laverdadbuscador 2 жыл бұрын
I've been in fleet management for about 7yrs now. I was a driver many years ago. Went to college but that didn't land me jobs. Instead getting my CDL did. I marketed myself well, branded myself well, and found a company where odds of becoming a manager or supervisor was greatest. I originally just wanted to be a manager because I wanted a normal 9-5 schedule, no weekends, and no labor. I didn't care about money. That's actually still my thing. BUT I also wanted to solve problems and make things as easy as possible for my drivers. I figure if I take care of them, they will take care of me and the customers. However I found most people above me hire me to deal with problems NOT solve them. It took about 5yrs to find a company that wanted me to solve problems and I'm quiet happy doing it.
@blumoogle2901
@blumoogle2901 2 жыл бұрын
What I'm hearing is that companies should be a LOT more free in demoting managers, especially after like 8 months of not getting up to speed, than they ever do. Keep the salaries the same, but return them to their previous job, and do this consistently and often enough to remove most of the sting and stigma in the company culture, while also ensuring that a demotion isn't a permanent black mark for later promotion. It shouldn't even be "disciplinary" in nature, just an automatic process based on performance. Even better idea: instead of promotions, every time an employee does something promotable, give them the strong recognition of guarunteeing them a constant pay, leave and perk entitlements they already have (with regular annual increases contractually guaranteed) but guaranteed decrease in their required work hours by 5 hours per week and keep their responsibilities the same; an effective per-hour increase in pay, no decrease in total monthly take-home pay or perks, acknowledgement of increased productivity and more free time. I know that there were a few times in my career that I would have taken an extra hour of automatically scheduled PTO every day for the rest of my job instead of a promotion, as long as my payslip stayed the same and my annual increases stayed the same.
@Ammut6
@Ammut6 2 жыл бұрын
So if Joe at McDonalds went from making $10 an hour and got promoted to manager making $20 an hour, but Joe ends up being a terrible manager. So what you're saying is to demote Joe back down to cook/cashier/drive thru but allow him to still be paid $20 an hour while the rest of the employees get paid their $10 an hour. lol
@demonfire691
@demonfire691 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ammut6 but if Joe is excellent with customers and gets them to want to come back and brings more revenue in for McDonald’s, why shouldn’t he be paid more? He might be a bad leader and a fantastic employee deserving of recognition
@Bleiser3
@Bleiser3 2 жыл бұрын
@@demonfire691 Good performance is often subjective. What i mean is that it's often times up to people to decide if someone is good or not. Often it's not even about their performance but their social skills, how they look and act etc, their likeness. If people like someone, they will perceive them as better in everything they do than they really are. Someone might be really good at their job but looks ugly, perhaps has some speech problem or in general something that people dislike for some reason personally. What I am saying is that situation would be exploited and used wrong all the time.
@dakruise1
@dakruise1 Жыл бұрын
The problem is getting bored to the point you start to slack off and then waste years because you didn't pick up meaningful skills.
@Catseye189
@Catseye189 2 жыл бұрын
I worked for a year with an agency. They moved a woman from quality control to managing the receptionists in the lobby. This gave her access to staff schedules. She ran out five departments by micromanaging, poor leadership, screaming at staff in front of clients. HR wouldn't touch her. Nightmare!
@TheRogueRockhound
@TheRogueRockhound 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 1/2 way through my MBA program and I've found a stark differences between my classmates with management experience and those without.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
I've been in a management role most of my life with over 200 subordinates at one point and a finance degree. There is nothing that an MBA will teach me that I haven't already learned on the job or in undergrad. I find that the people who get these MBAs are people who are in dead end jobs or egotistical people. I have zero desire to get one.
@TheRogueRockhound
@TheRogueRockhound 2 жыл бұрын
​@@MrSupernova111 Thanks for the feedback! That's unfortunate you feel that way about expanding your knowledge. You sound confident in your capabilities.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRogueRockhound . I plan to expand my knowledge but I don't think an MBA is the best investment of time and money if the goal is to seek knowledge. Anyway, good day. Cheers!
@ChasmChaos
@ChasmChaos 2 жыл бұрын
Could the difference be the fact that people with management experience generally have more years of experience than those without?
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
@The Rogue Rockhound and Prospector If you have an undergraduate degree in management, an MBA won't teach you much. I remember helping an acquaintance with a tech background out while she was doing her MBA. She had an attitude too and I heard from someone that she was one of the awful managers. That MBA seems more like a piece of paper that inflates egos of a lot of people vs actually liking and managing resources properly.
@Gavanater7
@Gavanater7 2 жыл бұрын
This doesn't just apply to companies. Militaries and governments, religious groups all have management issues
@belot217
@belot217 2 жыл бұрын
Human condition...
@Frenchy78ify
@Frenchy78ify 2 жыл бұрын
the state of our society: managing managers
@Biouke
@Biouke 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe hierarchy is the actual root of the problem.
@slowfuse
@slowfuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@Biouke this guy gets it
@robertagren9360
@robertagren9360 2 жыл бұрын
It be funny if there was no manager and everyone end up asking existential questions why we're at work, what's our task again, what's the point with this, who are these people I work with really, I didn't hired them. Why must it be so hard to do a favor for once. How come all do the same task only because it's more fun and we get less paid for our working hours. Perhaps we're living in a society of three. Is it why we're always three in every task. Now the contractor is mad because we YOLO through the hours, yesterday is a whole year ahead, there's plenty of time to finish the task yesterday.
@Littletime839
@Littletime839 Жыл бұрын
My boss thinks he's a hero because he skips lunch breaks and works extra hours. The bragging is his way to encourage the same behaviour, which works across his team but not with me.
@mikerowave1986
@mikerowave1986 2 жыл бұрын
There is another strange thing is the insane amount of managers for 1 department. I'm working at a very big company as engineer. In my team, we have 4 engineers for different areas, we are the people who gets the job done, who deliver to customer, who make the money. We have 4 managers (In-Company manager, head manager, line manager, project manager) 4 backoffice associates who are also called managers (delegation manager, office manager, finance manager, and one IDK what manager). And this is only a very small team. So it seems ridiculous that we have 8 managers for 4 employees.
@sephondranzer
@sephondranzer 2 жыл бұрын
I’m really surprised at how little you touched the idea of looking within more about this topic. I’m not even management, honestly, just can’t help but feel like 90% of people on earth are bad managers; they just simply aren’t all managers.
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 2 жыл бұрын
A LOT of people get an idiom of power and go on power trips. Like they completely forgot what managers did to them and they do the exact same thing. HOAs are a problem for this very reason. And leadership skills aren't taught anywhere is schooling but are very necessary.
@AimlessSavant
@AimlessSavant 2 жыл бұрын
Too many are taught by terrible people that they should be cutthroat in their approach. That if your staff doesn't fear you they will never obey. I relied on trusting my staff. Trying to get to know them and give them enough leeway to get the job done. I was rewarded with demotion.
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 2 жыл бұрын
@@AimlessSavant I like to think of my approach as like an old-school mobster. You don't know me but what you hear you fear me. People I work with and manage get along great with clear expectations and hold myself to the same expectations. Help them when they need help, be a human being. Outsiders don't mess you as much as your not seen as a pushover. But I usually had pushback from upper management, which I usually shielded my people from, which I'm not ever getting another promotion as I don't ‘play ball’. I had a new girl and she was hearing things about me from other people. And after working with me for some time, she like you not like what people say about you at all, you really nice etc. she was telling this to another person I don't work with and retelling the story to me. I told her she was ruining my reputation, looks at me confused, I tell her why and now she going to tell people I'm an Ahole. Lol, I still get a chuckle out of it.
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
Who told you leadership isn't taught? Try a business school. You don't even seem to know what programs colleges offer.
@terrytitus5291
@terrytitus5291 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy how some companies promote good workers to be good working,bad management types
@DERIVATIVES-mh6ej
@DERIVATIVES-mh6ej 4 ай бұрын
I think the Peter Principle makes the most sense. In the case where you have to choose who gets to be promoted and there's a sea of people, it's pretty easy to see how all the good is taken up and the trash gets left where they are. Doing this over and over and over again, for every level, leaves you with nothing but garbage for every level especially at the bottom.
@Daivd1111
@Daivd1111 2 жыл бұрын
Vicious competition between managers are the worst. They want their department to have better output, so they invent unnecessary work or create problems just to solve them. Result is workers below have more meaningless work to do on both departments!
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
That shit eats me up. I can't stand blow hards whose only purpose in life is making up pointless task to take credit for meaningless work. That's the kind of thing that would push me to seek another job.
@sor3999
@sor3999 2 жыл бұрын
This is more of a problem with higher up management. Maybe the executive level. Some Senior VPs think that having internal competition is a good thing so they put teams against each other or team members against each other. See "stack ranking" a management style that has proven to be toxic and counterproductive that even Microsoft phased it out, but it continues to be practiced anyway at younger places like Amazon. Old bad practices die hard.
@ninjaskyking5198
@ninjaskyking5198 2 жыл бұрын
My management told me to ignore all the problems then proceed to make me fix all the problems. I do multiple jobs at my place and yeah I'm sick of it. Probably quit soon and look into self employment options through the internet
@jlrob85
@jlrob85 2 жыл бұрын
I think there are two issues. 1. Loyalty and some competence doesn’t equal good management or people skills 2. Managers in a corporation are effectively required to act as a corporation. Cut throat and hard driven at all costs with a friendly exterior. Doesn’t come across as authentic when leading people
@jasonmajere2165
@jasonmajere2165 2 жыл бұрын
Or the manager kind of gives the middle finger to higher management, I do what I want as long as I get the result. Their people are happy and doing well as they are shielded some, but that manager will never be promoted again and might actively trying to get rid of them.
@andrewleese9466
@andrewleese9466 2 жыл бұрын
I have been a manager in a number of different automotive settings and even own my own shop now. I have always felt the bosses job was to find ways to make his team more productive. This can be done in a multitude of ways, but the most effective way is genuinely asking your team what the need from you to be better/more productive at there job. This gets lost on so many managers.
@davidjamesshaver
@davidjamesshaver 2 жыл бұрын
Very sage, Mr Leese :)
@d.peters6075
@d.peters6075 2 жыл бұрын
OK, last story. That truck driving job I mentioned really beat me up physically when I was younger from all the product and its weight that I had to hand load/unload most of the time. So I am now disabled, but my last "other" job was the airlines. I actually ended up giving up my public safety job of 30 years when that one came on because I was transferred out of my city to another state. In the airline job, I literally did every single job at the station except the station manager's job. I worked the ramp and every job it entailed. I worked the lobby/counter/gate and all that included. I had experience and knowledge of 23 different airplane types that I had worked with directly from regional airliners to narrow body passenger and freighters, as well as turboprop cargo planes as well. I was expected to be the ramp boss (the person in charge of the ramp and its operation) when called upon as well as marshaller, working the cargo bins, loading bags, working the bag room, weight and balance...being the ground security coordinator, complaint resolution official, cargo agent...I was expected to performance audits of the ramp for safety and performance. I was responsible for the Operations position and all the documentation of all the flights, I was the station's accident and incident investigation official for employee or aircraft incidents/damage or injury. And among other things, I was also assigned all new hires for their training when they were released from their computer training (which in and of itself is about 40 hours before ever leaving the building.) Plus, because I was approachable, other employees would come to me about stuff and I'd help train/retrain them/mentoring if you will. If we fell into what was called IROP status (you know it as delays/cancellations) generally no matter what I was assigned to do that day, I was pulled off to take over the ramp and get things back on track from our end, cleaning up the mess from others. Yeah my plate was full, but I loved the challenge. And I would love to get another airline job if I can. So, you know the workload. What does that have to do with bosses. Well, here it is. My boss announced that the official trainer position was opening up. Now, I have been training staff for years...trained the new truck drivers when I was driving, I was a field training officer in public safety, I taught countless recreational safety classes to the general public, etc. My boss said to me during the "interview" for the position...I don't have anyone that can even come close to you in experience and skill. She announced the awarding of the position and it was NOT me. Needless to say it didn't sit well. I asked her what was up. And these were her words to the very letter, they are forever burned into my very soul. She said to me...remember...horrible boss topic. "Why would I give you the position when you are already doing the job for free? You are already training everyone at the wage you are making, so why should I pay you more? All I really needed is a person do to the computer logs of training records and I can get a monkey to do that. You are already training them so I don't need to give you 'the title.'" Let that just sink in. Then at another time, the corporate office was changing things up with how they defined duties for each position. She said, again this is a direct quote from her "Corporate is adding new job expectations to the various job classifications we have here. Some of you will not be seeing ANYTHING added, some will get one or two...but (another employee's name...a supervisor) and Doug will be seeing ALL SEVEN new expectations." Mind you...I already outlined a lot of what I was already expected to do. And my official job title was the exact same as the other employees there and I earned the same hourly wage (give or take based on seniority.) But here again...those that do little do less and those that perform more is demanded of them. One coworker, again same job description and wage, said to me one day "I'm not doing (fill in the blank.) I don't get paid a penny more to do it so I am not doing it." I looked at him and said, then who is going to do it. He looked at me and said "You can for all I care. I just know I am not. I'm not getting paid more so I am not doing it." I responded with OH, but I make the same wage as you and its OK that I have to be the one to do it? How's that fair, I don't earn any more than you and we both have the same job title!" Welcome to the workforce in America.
@patriciaa4451
@patriciaa4451 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true in my experience. My previous job I had the nicest, most understanding manager. I worked hard mostly because I didn't want to let her down. She literally let me get time off to interview for my current job. A bad manager would have retaliated. I quit the job because the senior management above my direct supervisor were nitpicky and micromanaging blowhards.
@3aloyforever
@3aloyforever 2 жыл бұрын
the problem that I face with my management currently is they always expect me to only follow their rules of always coming to work on time and not taking many breaks that kind of BS, ik all employees should do that but don't expect the employees to adhere to you when you don't follow what you preach, these managers come late and don't stay for a full day. managers are leaders if they don't have a good connection and understand they people below imo should not be in that managing position in the first place, instead of them getting angry and shouting over poor performance they should understand why was there bad performance in the first place to create a better work environment.
@DarkKnightofHeaven
@DarkKnightofHeaven 2 жыл бұрын
Management is a skill entirely independent from whatever the company is actually doing or the service that is provided. I am a manager. It's taken me two years of effort to get my management to a point I don't completely suck at it and I'm still improving. Depending on how fast pace everything is and how much your responsible for as a manager determines how much time can be spent on actually improving. In my field I need to be able to do everything in the building not money related, which is handled by an entirely different manager. This is due to staffing and if one person doesn't show up, I have to fill that role while still doing manager duties, with no real way to delegate.
@CHR1SZ7
@CHR1SZ7 2 жыл бұрын
Management is *not* independent. It may require somewhat different skills but if a manager doesn’t have a thorough understanding what their team is supposed to be doing they will place unreasonable expectations on them and be unable to accurately identify strong or weak members, or to reward or support these members accordingly.
@geoffreyprior8931
@geoffreyprior8931 2 жыл бұрын
I am on my managers poop list due to being 'disrespectful' by refusing to do 2-3 jobs at the same time. And when I mean at the same time; I literally mean it. I work on the warehouse side of a massive production campus. My main job is to answer emails from production and deliver on demand/really hot parts that are in locations that are outside of the warehouse; where production order parts get seperated and organized. The second job the dumped on me was emer part runner; which delivers replacement parts for damaged parts or parts that were out of stock at the time an order was pulled. I first started pushing back against running the emers due to both being feast or famine jobs. Especially because the emers have an hr window between pick to delivery. There was just too much work for one person to do. They then also had me looking for aging material in the warehouse; basically material we received but was not logistically scanned to a location in the warehouse. They then got mad when I couldn't find anything or on somedays didn't even have time to look due to being so busy. Yet they expect me to find these lost parts even when the other two shifts who have people dedicated to just doing aging; can't even find these parts. Literally looking at lateral movements in the company due to how hostile my management is.
@titolovely8237
@titolovely8237 2 жыл бұрын
one of the other reasons not discussed in this video is simply getting promoted because you're the only option. ive seen this happen quite often in small and larger businesses where someone either quits suddenly or someone dies, and a management position opens up, but there's really noone there to fill the role. in these circumstances you generally pick from what you got, oftentimes noone is qualified for the position but the position must be filled. ive seen junior members be fast tracked through 2-3 middle tier roles just to be put into a senior role for exactly this reason. i once saw a guy get 4 promotions in 3 months, and he skipped all of the so called "required testing and job qualification assessments" that everyone else at that level had to go through. why? he was the most senior of the junior employees.
@friththecrow975
@friththecrow975 2 жыл бұрын
To add to your point, if a company has incompetent management or a toxic culture skilled and hard working employees are more likely to quit. In that case the company's options are to hire externally and bring in management unfamiliar with the company/industry or to promote existing employees who are unqualified for the role.
@umjackd
@umjackd 8 ай бұрын
I worked as a night manager at a hotel. Our night team was about 10-15 people and it was great. Being the final authority at night meant I learned a lot about stepping up to responsibility and building a team that would work together. At night, sometimes nothing would happen, and then sometimes the craziest stuff would happen, and you had to handle it. When I became a day manager, I suddenly had to deal with all the office politics, the egos of directors, the competition with other middle managers, and the micromanagement from above which didn't really care about what was actually happening but wanted to appear dynamic and decisive.
@maxalberts2003
@maxalberts2003 2 жыл бұрын
I've worked for organizations that were well-managed and some that were poorly managed. I even worked for one that was initially well-managed (a Fortune 500 company) and welcoming but during an economic downturn became poorly managed and tribal. Staff were let go and two or three doable positions became incorporated into one impossible position. And the problems extended into the partner's jobs themselves. About 1/4 of them were let go; the rest were forced to manage with one secretary for five or six partners. Then the secretaries quit, one after another. Consequences of the downsizing began to show up in partner's performances and client's grave reactions, resulting in a major loss of business. The individuals helming this hatchet job didn't even live in the United States. Now, in 2022, the organization has almost completely abandoned its American base. The managerial decision to downsize brought on an unforeseen (but should have been foreseen) disaster. This kind of organizational behavior has since become commonplace in the USA and almost no one so much as bats an eye anymore. (And of course the plans were formulated and carried out in secret until the very last minute.) Terrible.
@IHateUniqueUsernames
@IHateUniqueUsernames 2 жыл бұрын
So basically, the key take away is that managers are fulling a specific role in a company and are not more or less valuable than the team/people they do manage. The problem then, is that everyone in the company fulfilling roles should be compensated based on the role's value to the company; and the prestige and usually better compensation that comes with being a manager should be eradicated. This way, the Peter principle is pretty much stymied by the fact that an individual performing well in a task can be given better compensation for the value the creates for the company without needing to change their role. While in the case of the Dilbert, perhaps a few more lateral reassignment will find a good fit for them, since there is no prestige or compensation concern, just a role change. You never move "up" or "down" the corporate ladder changing what you do - you go up based on the output and how valuable you are to the company in the role you play. It would also encourage Peter's and Dilberts to be more proactive in finding their niche, because that's where they would benefit most as well.
@ausbare140
@ausbare140 2 жыл бұрын
One big problem with company management is never admitting that they got some thing wrong.
@strongside4565
@strongside4565 2 жыл бұрын
Latency is an issue as well. It crosses paths with the Peter principle too, but in my specific case as a junior level manager, I was in the field less than a year ago and still manage at the field level. My boss was in the field 10 years ago, but he manages at the field level too. Every step above him requires so much time in management and out of the field that things changing at the base level go completely unseen. You end up with 4 tiers of upper management that simply do not know how to fix major problems that are beyond the scope of lower level management.
@Croz89
@Croz89 2 жыл бұрын
For those who don't want to be managers but want to make more money, there's always consulting!
@sophiasmith5949
@sophiasmith5949 Жыл бұрын
When I was 14 my manager only graduated me to the register at McDonald's because he had to because too many people called out that day. I learned that day never believe you get a "promotion" because you were good or the best. He also told me that I kept the lobby and parking lot so clean. Cleaning the lobby was less stressful except on the days that corporate decided to visit.
@cosmictreason2242
@cosmictreason2242 Жыл бұрын
I started on a register and pushed for customer surveys so aggressively that i had dozens of positive reviews naming me, and got the store noticed by district management and evaluated to become a new manager training store, which brought bonuses and career advancement to the GM which provided me with job security when his underling manager demanded he fire me because she was a bad manager and my competence threatened her. However he never promoted me, was too lazy to even file yearly performance reviews to enable raises, but he took a girl who started at the same time as me and called out at least 4 times a month and even got fired for fighting another employee outside of work, then rehired- and gave her a promotion instead. That was when i looked for my exit.
@andredeketeleastutecomplex
@andredeketeleastutecomplex 2 жыл бұрын
Managers should realise that they need workers, but workers don't need managers.
@courtlaw1
@courtlaw1 2 жыл бұрын
having worked in corporate america for 22 years the things I have seen and experienced has mainly been way more worse than what is depicted in this video and the show the office.
@ClarenceEwing
@ClarenceEwing 2 жыл бұрын
Most competent workers don't need to be managed, at least not in the way higher-ups tend to think. After decades in the work force, I'm convinced the best management strategy steps are (in order): 1. Clearly explain the job to workers 2. Give those workers the tools they need to do the job 3. Get the f*** out of the way 4. Be a resource a worker can go to if they have a question or a problem
@N7sensei
@N7sensei 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but most people are not "most competent workers". Most people need to be managed one way or another.
@akrocuba
@akrocuba 2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, corporations hire people for management positions that have a piece of paper on the wall and have no experience. Most "managers" I wouldn't let manage a birdhouse building competition. How about hiring from within and let people climb the ladder. They are the best. Everything looks good on paper.
@krystjanchanerley9288
@krystjanchanerley9288 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of mangers are narcissistic losers and could manage their way out of a paper bag ..
@Nippernator
@Nippernator 2 жыл бұрын
Clicking on this video I hoped to learn what I could do to become a better manager, but all I got was a slap in the face. I'm that manager that was hired when he really shouldn't have been. I'm a project manager and I was taken on after having a year's worth of "experience" which was only shadowing in a project which was far too complicated for me to assist. I work with software projects despite having zero experience with it, I have no qualifications and no idea how I landed the job. I figured it wouldn't be so bad as I could learn about the company and its practices while I work there, but surprise surprise, there's zero structure and things just happen chaotically. I have no mentor and the training I've been doing on the side isn't really helping me do anything more than facilitate meetings and be a messenger boy to fix roadblocks. I need a new job 😰
@josesalgado2796
@josesalgado2796 2 жыл бұрын
Herrow Dilbert! Don't feel bad about it, just think of yourself as Michael Scott & go with the flow (unless the job really sucks)
@IL_Bgentyl
@IL_Bgentyl 2 жыл бұрын
Best tip is lean on your workers. Come to them humble and they will teach you well you lead. My opinion as a leader is I’m there to aid my team. I fill in the cracks as they are more capable at whatever task (they do it everyday) it’s my responsibility to make sure they have what they need, feel appreciated, and come to work. Their performance determines how I look not me.
@alfieharrison2236
@alfieharrison2236 2 жыл бұрын
The fact you are self aware enough to recognise your short comings and how you got to your position means you are probably a better manager than you realise, have you had any feedback from colleagues on your performance?
@Nippernator
@Nippernator 2 жыл бұрын
@@josesalgado2796 Going with the flow is a good plan if I couldn't see the storm drain it was leading me to. The company needs complete reformation of practices and I can't really accept becoming a part of the problem. I'm doing my best to learn techniques and fundamentals of software development to offer better support, but its slow progress.
@Nippernator
@Nippernator 2 жыл бұрын
@@IL_Bgentyl This is exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm the one that keeps the ball rolling, makes sure things aren't forgotten or done poorly. I've learned the odd bit of information from my teams but really the info is very bitty. What's been more valuable for me is doing courses on software development and coding principles. It allows me to pick up the jargon a lot quicker.
@582tird
@582tird 2 жыл бұрын
At the job that I left, the company was very proud of the fact they “promote management form within the company “ usually they were the best suck up or slowest operator.
@floxy20
@floxy20 2 жыл бұрын
I often think that certain people are promoted simply because they are willing to work long hours. Other more competent people may just want to go home at five o'clock. Many managers are frustrated because their jobs are so boring while the underlings get to do the fun stuff, like coding.
@m8852
@m8852 Жыл бұрын
6:30: The word "employees" should not have an apostrophe. 6:49: Bloomberg is misspelled. 7:47: The word "properly" is misspelled.
@Coldbird1337
@Coldbird1337 Жыл бұрын
I'm in a small company, not perfect but we deal with issues as they come up and find ways to address them. Since we are relatively small, management is able to talk to us as a group, and get our take and views on whatever plans they have, in order to make decisions such as hiring more stuff or moving buildings so that the company can grow, and no one is caught off guard and said their peace. I like it, but i fear that as the company grows, it'll eventually be something thats no longer easy to do.
@Leahmh80
@Leahmh80 2 жыл бұрын
My last job (government) just had TOO MANY managers. I worked on a team of about 13, one of which was a manager. Under her, there were 4 supervisors, one who only supervised one other person. And my supervisor was appointed after a reorganization, because he had previously been a supervisor. I pretty much planned and ran our projects and he approved my time off. So glad I left.
@jjm152
@jjm152 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I quit management because I was tired of dealing with asshole employees. Just think about it - Imagine that maybe 10% of the population are complete jackasses that get off on causing trouble for other people, then imagine you are responsible for 30 or 40 people. That means you have 3-4 people you need to interact with on a regular basis that just love to be massive pains in the ass. It was literally killing me - my hypertension was so bad that the NYE before I quit, I had one glass of champagne and nearly blacked out. I quit that shitty job, left those shitty people behind, quit smoking and took better care of myself. I ended up starting my own consulting business (just me and a mate and 2-3 freelancers). I'll never go back to that, hell I can't - I'll probably die.
@loveandparty4118
@loveandparty4118 2 жыл бұрын
People at the top of the corporate ladder are pretty much demons... they're condescending and unprofessional and evil, don't care when their employees die from exhaustion, and so on... They also never seem to get tired so I don't think they're human...
@bj.bruner
@bj.bruner 2 жыл бұрын
My problem with management is that they want things done a *very* specific way and I have a habit of not always doing what people tell me, so there's often a lot of friction 😅
@Tippix3
@Tippix3 2 жыл бұрын
In my Company the biggest Problem is in the Structure. Most big descisions are made hundreds of Kilometers away from People that never saw the Production hall.(The Management of the Location has its hands tied in most of descisions) At my Productionline we wait half our shifts(3Shifts per Day) for space to load product, cant produce anything in that time. now we have to work a Additional day to make up for the insane backlog, which we spent staying around, waiting. The Problem is clear, its a huge production line with a bottleneck in one of the last steps before shipping the product away. (They get put in a Oven for 2.5hours hardening, always full and already ran 6Days a week) Half the Production hall ends in this Bottleneck. On the other half of the hall we have other Structural problems that just makes it inefficient, losing around 20Hours runtime a week per Line on average for no reason other then Big D*ck Energy a few hundred kilometers away.
@tonyk4615
@tonyk4615 2 жыл бұрын
After working for 20 years I finally landed at a company with decent management.
@Youtubeuser1aa
@Youtubeuser1aa 2 жыл бұрын
WHERE
@dominick951
@dominick951 2 жыл бұрын
A manager job is to train people as best you can. Then stand back and make tweaks when needed. Instead alot of managers are just on your ass for no reason. Don't train their people etc
@memesofproduction3
@memesofproduction3 2 жыл бұрын
When I was being on-boarded in my first company. There was this girl who had been hired for a coding role. The problem was she was too dumb to go to that team and overqualified to go to IT teams. Eventually, she ended up becoming Manager of a Monitoring team.
@rejectwokeness1314
@rejectwokeness1314 2 жыл бұрын
Women gets ahead just for existing.
@jasonkoroma4323
@jasonkoroma4323 2 жыл бұрын
@@rejectwokeness1314 Yes its extremely infuriating as it excludes more competent candidates, and dumps more responsibilities on the workers.
@rejectwokeness1314
@rejectwokeness1314 2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonkoroma4323 tell me about it. Seen it so many times, most recently, my line mgr was hired though she obviously wasn't qualified for the job. She claimed depression cos of work stress and left within a few months. I took over her role only to realise it took me just a few hours every MONTH to cover her duties.
@josesalgado2796
@josesalgado2796 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! I think we all appreciate your concise videos but you really had me hooked with this one, felt like you wrapped it up too fast lol. My wife is upper management. She deals with the owners BS requests all the time along with her subordinates issues. I personally couldn't deal with babysitting grownups for a living lol
@sblijheid
@sblijheid 2 жыл бұрын
HR is the true baby sitting job. You'd be surprised at the petty, childish non issues that grown people, some with white hair, nag about.
@elhombrebilingue
@elhombrebilingue Жыл бұрын
When it comes to getting ahead, it's not who you know but who you blow 👍😅🤔
@user-nu8in3ey8c
@user-nu8in3ey8c 2 жыл бұрын
Most managers I have seen come in two flavors: The Micromanager and the Ghost Manager. Furthermore I have seen managers ascend to their positions for the following reasons: * Good Resume, and Good Interview(without actually having the skills or connections required for the job) * Diversity Based Promotions * Good Old Fashioned Favoritism(including Nepotism as well) * The Dilbert Principle * The Peter Principle * Randomly Promoted for Arbitrary Reason Whatever the reason for their promotion most managers seem to be either ghost bosses or micromanagers. Feast or famine. I have had a few really great supervisors and managers, those managers are like an oasis in the occupational desert.
@alexraney2312
@alexraney2312 2 жыл бұрын
We had the neglectful micromanager! If your products were doing well he wouldnt even talk to you for weeks. But once you had a hiccup he was checkin in every single hour.
@davewhite756
@davewhite756 2 жыл бұрын
Michael Scott had the best numbers in the whole company (after Josh left). He wasn’t promoted because he annoyed the C.F.O, and members of his staff bad mouthed him (Karen), after Jim withdrew himself from consideration the job was offered to a MBA with horrible sales numbers.
@michaelphilip1
@michaelphilip1 2 жыл бұрын
Remember if they can't't promote but they say that you're in the perfect position then ask for a raise.
@WorldInANutshell
@WorldInANutshell 2 жыл бұрын
Dilbert and Peter principal account for 50% of it. The other 50% is political sandbagging. To maintain a high level job where you have little direct impact on the KPI’s, and they can go for u or against u at any time, or your boss can get an itchy trigger finger, the tried and true defense strategy for job preservation is to make sure operations are in constant turmoil. This strategy can backfire, of course, but it’s proven to be a successful strategy over the past 5 decades for those Machiavellians who employ it
@baronvonherzenberger2473
@baronvonherzenberger2473 2 жыл бұрын
Video starts at 2:22
@hockeyhalod
@hockeyhalod Жыл бұрын
As a manager with imposter syndrome, I can appreciate the comment that we have no idea what we are doing. You do get promoted due to your skills, but then you have to figure out how to have empathy and take care of others. Meanwhile, you have to take care of yourself and the person above you. It's exhausting and sometimes overwhelming. However, if I can make 1 of my employee's day better, then I feel fulfilled.
@DangRenBo
@DangRenBo 2 жыл бұрын
The Peter Principle explains the majority of problems in the management chain of established businesses.
@drewstrong7289
@drewstrong7289 2 жыл бұрын
I am Dilbert. I am dyslexic and am terrible at smaller tasks for the most part (so I slow people down A LOT) however, I have a great knack for big picture thinking, thus managerial roles. I also LOVE working with and on other people and their work ability and consider patience with others a stronger trait of mine. Don't be afraid to be Dilbert. Dilbert might just be someone who can see the forest and not the trees.
@demon2441
@demon2441 2 жыл бұрын
Management tells me to do the impossible and then I have to fix the mess that it ends up creating.
@carlcarlington7317
@carlcarlington7317 2 жыл бұрын
This is honestly why worker democracy or co-ops are so important as a business model imo. Sure in every structure bad decisions will be made but no one is better qualified to elect a manager then the people workers underneath them who have to deal with the decisions management on a daily basis. Even if someone who’s bad at management is put in the position by workers if they’re decisions hurt the workers underneath them those workers will elect a new manager next quarter. It’s also important to consider how much job dissatisfaction is associated with a lack of control. Even if workers make the same decisions old management made they’d be more happy with those decisions because they had a real say in the decision.
@jas_bataille
@jas_bataille 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, we now have people with little to no real management skills who assign themselves as CEOs, which is completely insane, as being a Chief Executive Officier is the highest management role one can have in a company and takes significant skills and years of studying. As a mostly self-taught young "entrepreneur"-freelancer myself, I really can't see why presidents are appointing themselves as CEOs - it just doesn't make sense to me at all, especially since being the President and Founder is actually - although not officially - being *above* the CEO for it's not a role that can be appointed to someone. The only reason I see for doing this, is that being the CEO give them power over the executives, who could otherwise get them out of their functions of President by voting them out (which happened to WeWork founder who apparently was a serious nutcase). Maybe I'm confused but that's how I see this... then you have the fact that going up the ladder indefinitely within a single company will always makes you incompetent, as one can only be good at so many different tasks. However, I fundamentally disagree with the premise that management always suck. My current boss, who was occupying a management positon at Ferrero, and is now running his own coffee shop, is a phenomenal manager who got the company profitable within 3 years and one of pandemic, despite predictions of 5 years before profitability...!!! The fact that he is just as skilled behind the counter as he is negotiating and managing schedules makes him an amazing manager. I think however that if you have no direct contacts with the day-to-day of employees and customers than it's impossible to be a great manager.
@mate53
@mate53 2 жыл бұрын
The Dilbert effect is really interesting. You could have also referenced office space again
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