Companies Do Not Care About Staff Loyalty (Anymore) - How Money Works

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[@joannat.4021]

I love ur videos, here especially the last 2-3mins 😍

[@taraxa287]

i have researched the gig economy in my masters thesis, ring me up if you like to talk about it or need some information on the gig economy research :). But the gist of Gig economy is: your totally shitty strict and severely punishing boss is now an algorithm that you cannot even interact with.

[@luckyloonie1359]

I love my employer but in the bottom of my heart I know it is one sided... #TDBank🌎💘💰

[@Ihsnetad]

From my experience: - Salary negotiation is much easier done with your next employer than with the current one

[@danlightened]

Haha good one

[@billr5842]

Absolutely. I never get raises except when I am hopping from job to job. Fuck my previous employers.

[@arydant]

In my long career I have never gotten a significant raise unless I switched jobs - engineering. .

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery authoritarianism and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.

[@grimview]

Since most tech work is seasonal (3, 6, 9 12, 24 months), the only way to avoid resume gaps is to leave mid project, which can result in project being canceled & entire team fired & company fined millions. Real contracts are given to Performing Artist (sports players, media, music) with a guarantee of work for a time period, especially when asked to relocate. How do we negotiate real contracts to save the company from being ruined?

[@8000RPM.]

Companies want to hire a 25 year old with 35 years of experience and pay them like an 18 year old.

[@JayVal90]

Yes. Duh 🙄

[@JackoBanon1]

That's exactly my situation right now. I'm 25. I have to work in China for my company (most of the time alone) and they always announce me as a big expert in my field of work. When I arrive the Chinese customers don't even take me seriously because of my young age. Yet they send me from customer to customer without much explanation and hope it will work out. And even though I work 60-80 hours a week I don't even get paid properly for all the stress. It's ridiculous.

[@peterkevintaylor]

Yeah. So true. Also expect someone with masters in 2 subjects not even related and pay a pitance.

[@januarysson5633]

And people wonder why opioid addiction is such a thing anymore.

[@8000RPM.]

@@JackoBanon1 WOW, I feel for you, especially since you're in the Wuhan place. How terrible. You need to "jump ship" even if it involves a pay cut. I'm so sick of the "Performs other duties as assigned" in the job description. I was doing stuff two pay grades over me. But I liked getting paid so I kept my mouth shut. God bless.

[@tututinelli5046]

They don't care about loyalty, but still demand it...

[@quademasters249]

You just have to play lip service to it. It's like going to church and pretending to believe.

[@jocaingles8464]

demanding loyalty is a ridiculous notion

[@dekippiesip]

@@jocaingles8464 depends on how you define 'loyalty'. At the insurance company I work for they demand loyalty in the sense that I should be careful with sensitive information like that of clients, and not use certain info in unethical ways. I also had to sign a contract about that at the start of working there. That's a completely reasonable type of loyalty to demand.

[@noseboop4354]

@@dekippiesip That's not loyalty, that is integrity.

[@earlnoli]

it's just mincing words. Anyway loyalty is not about staying long. Most likely people stay because they know its hard to find other work that is easier and pays better. If you want to show loyalty in a company, then do things for the overall betterment of the company like cost savings, get more clients, retain more clients, create new cash flow streams, etc. Most people stay in one company as corporate zombies and should have been fired long ago because they are not getting better and contributing more, or getting more responsibility. Anyway most people confuse company loyalty with just following your boss. Boss or managers themselves can be corporate dregs and maybe the most loyal you could do is replace them and streamline the work better and improve the overall business. I know people will complain because things like this is hard but that is company loyalty. The loyalty of companies can be seen as they paying you more that you would even pay yourself. If you think you are worth more then prove that by your actions like moving to a different job and ask for the salary you think you deserve. People always keep complaining about salary but they can totally control it... just not accept what you think is not right. Loyalty is a concept nonsense to these types of people.

[@Juztice763]

My mom has been office managing at a company for 30 years. Her thirty year anniversary with the company was this year. They gave her a a glass plaque without her name on it and a $50 gift card. It’s insulting to be frank.

[@Destrudo5359]

she's colelcting retirement from them...that's enough. Stop being a baby

[@TheNeeenha]

I Worked in the printing industry for 40-sum years. The last place I worked (can't run a press from home) I worked for 30 years. We were told on many occasions we'd all be living under a bridge if it wasn't for our glorious leader. As a single Mom with a 3 year old , a mortgage and Mother that lived with me and was out of work, at the time I started. I was kinda pissed when I found out I was making $3.00 an hour less than the boy I replaced. To make a long story short, when I left after working for this lovely guy For 30 years. (He called me a stupid blond cunt on more than one occasion) He said to me "so your retiring?" that was it. Running a printing press is not an easy job. Learning that trade takes some time ,skill and Brains. When I first started I was proud to be a skilled crafts person, buy the time I left I felt like an asshole.

[@rebeccavl97]

Yeah that’s horrid! Super insulting too…

[@kachekijaanlega]

lol was similar for dad, but he's been there for over 30 years. company was good before the founders/owners sold it to a big american company.

[@testingtesting4984]

And the amount of linkedin posts about working for the company for 15+ years and being laid off in a message is heartbreaking

[@kelly2631]

Don't forget: ENTRY LEVEL POSITION -A Bachelor's degree is required -At least 4 years of experience -We literally want you to had cured cancer in your freshman year internship -$15/hr

[@ColdPotato]

Yeah, it's so they can say. "We could not find a qualified candidate, we need our H1b pool expanded". Your example is a hypothetical simple one. You should look at software engineering job descriptions in tech. You need to have done everything and know everything and be able to every job they ask without training.

[@rivulet5417]

*per hour 12$

[@keksimusultimus4257]

3$ per hour gang! xD of course, cost of living must be higher where you are..

[@WildkatPhoto]

IBM famously asking for 10 year experience using a technology that had only existed for 8 years.

[@Turanic1]

so fucking true :DDD

[@GreyRock100]

Employer: Don't like it? Leave Employee: I'm leaving Employer: Unbelievable! Why? Employee: I don't like it Employer: This is a great job

[@lfestevao]

Ah, the Tsundere Employer. Almost as good as the Tsundere Employee: - You didn't fire me. I QUIT!

[@fishgutz4272]

At an exit interview I was asked why I leaving the division. What I listed the negative reasons why I was happy to be leaving, the HR reps response was "just be happy you have a job."

[@GreyRock100]

@@fishgutz4272 That is always what they say.

[@willrobinson9767]

This doesn't work in the military they will say I got you for 4 more years... Regardless of how badly I treat you....

[@yagomizuma2275]

@@lfestevao you didn't quit i quit

[@Jackson-T23]

What employers are starting to realize is many workers would rather be broke and living in poverty than working a dead-end, low paying job while being broke and living in poverty.

[@spthibault]

Counterpoint... they are also learning they would rather be broke and living in poverty without dedicating 8+ hrs to a company that only pays them enough to be broke and living in poverty.

[@borgresistance5287]

I agree with you,

[@jumpstart55million]

Yep. Which is why more and more people are choosing to pursue careers that actually fulfill them instead. And or building skills that make them more specialized. The era of dead end low frequency jobs is going to end when automation truly kicks into full swing. Which is very soon. If you can easily be replaced then odds are ...A machine might be taking your job in the future.

[@jared7723]

Well said well said agreed 100 percent

[@Metaphysician2]

I think its a little more nuanced than that. People still don't want to be broke. However, what people are realizing is the scam of "the dignity of honest labor". Which is to say, they aren't accepting a job just for the sake of being able to tell themselves "I am employed therefore I am a decent person." If a job doesn't pay enough to make up for the hassle and indignity, they ditch it rather than staying out of some vague sense that they should. They want *actual* dignity, or failing that, cold hard cash and no annoying pretenses.

[@tancreddehauteville764]

I'm 55 and I've worked for 16 different employers - I'm not joking. The reason is quite simply that either: (1) you end up with a boss that really pisses you off or (2) it's a nice working environment but they never give you a pay rise. I ask myself what is the point of even pretending to be loyal to an employer any more.

[@danieljust295]

I am the same case, 12 employers and I’m 45. By changing jobs I doubled my salary, I even worked as contractor in IT sector - didn’t bother with full time as it has little meaning these days (but can be useful for someone who wants to take a loan). Basically we have to specialize and master one or two skills and then we can change to jobs easily. Universities however produce “generalists” who knows nothing and employers use that against employees. So after all, this strategy works in our favor, we simply trade instability for higher salary.

[@korsol]

There is many companies dont hire anymore if you seem to be inloyal

[@danieljust295]

@@korsol Would stay in a company if the company doesn't pay for overtime work and the salary rise is equivalent to a few cigarette packs a year? Would you stay in a company which requires you to be on standby for the weekend (including night) without extra pay, as is common in the IT sector? What if a company went bankrupt? Not loyal is someone who doesn't come to the office as agreed, doesn't "close" given tasks in time, causes damage to a company or simply share their know-how with third parties. The problem is when you are loyal and the company shows your finger and at the same time presents new highs of earnings each quarter.

[@redmesa2975]

I’m the same age. Had one job for 15 years, then it ran its course. Life is short, so no point in working for a company very long to be short changed & pigeon holed.

[@danieljust295]

@Renee Johnson In one of company I worked for, they openly blasphemed God even though the company had policies in place, yet mocking God was fine even though the company business was strictly e-commerce. They communicated in this way: How many God Sons is included in God Father and how many burnt God Sons are there. If God Father is corrupted they we need to reconstruct if from God Sons. Wtf do it mean anyway ? The company is Phillip Morris - tobacco giant. Of course, I was fired when I didn’t agree to work using these terms. I suggested to change God Father and God Son to Allah and Muhammad or to Gay and Lesbian but not accepted.

[@SkySong6161]

"Why are you leaving?" "Because you don't pay me enough to cover my part of the rent on a two bedroom apartment that I'm sharing with six other people."

[@ns3242]

..um sorry to ask a silly question: is stating lifestyle proper on salary negotiation? I’m currently really bad at salary negotiation

[@Duplicitousthoughtformentity]

@@ns3242 No. It’s a joke.

[@Motoboo_Marine]

@@ns3242 no. When negotiating salary you have to keep the focus on what you bring to the table in order to stay professional. Always keep in mind one thing: people always have their own interests at mind. No one does anything for no reason. Doesn't have to be money or status, otherwise people who volunteer at soup kitchens and donate to charity wouldn't exist, but you get the point. What you have to figure out is what the interests are of the other person. So when negotiating salary, make sure you try your best to sell yourself as much as possible. No one is going to pay you more because you live in a shitty situation; you have to make it worth their while. Likewise, if you live in nicer accomodations you don't want to bring that up either. You want to keep the focus on solely what you can offer, and also do your homework on the job to see if you can use anything else to your advantage (like if the position has been open for a long period, or it has a high turnover rate) and if you're successful at pitching it you can turn the tables and use that as leverage. Obviously it's going to be hard when you're just starting out but hopefully you can make it far enough it'll be easier. Best of luck to any interviews you get in the future!

[@kosmosXcannon]

@@ns3242 I could be totally wrong but I like to think it was slightly more relevant when it was just males expecting to get a job and the labor pool was half of what it was. At least you could try to guilt people with things like trying to provide for a family and the spouse wasn't expected to take up some of the slack.

[@xxxdieselyyy2]

Work for Xi Xinping.

[@lfionxkshine]

"Employers are going to screw you... So screw them back!" Sounds consensual to me

[@glorfindelchocolateflowery6392]

Screw them before they screw you!

[@glorfindelchocolateflowery6392]

@@АнварРахманкулов-ч7м well see..

[@Sizdothyx]

Dude, the whole transaction is us trying to screw one another to get the most for the least cost. Dilbert deals with our side being the aggressors just as much as conventional media tells you your boss is horrible and trying to get out of paying you as much as they can get away with. You're SUPPOSED to screw them as much as they're trying to screw you.

[@theymademepickaname1248]

The problem is people basing their entire identities on their jobs. Coworkers are not your friends, and management sees you as a replaceable commodity. Don't try to go above and beyond, and always be prepared to move on.

[@torfistrom4549]

@@АнварРахманкулов-ч7м thanks government bailouts

[@sidzero]

To be fair, it's also a lot harder to find a company that's worth being loyal to.

[@nickelglasses700]

As long as companies are driven by profit instead of sustainability, as an employee, be only loyal to one thing: money.

[@martinsanchez4346]

I have worked for two that I would've been loyal to for years. If only they could afford to pay more and weren't in small towns.

[@devilslayerthesaintofkille1317]

Exactly.

[@chrisf1495]

@@nickelglasses700 It's not even just that. Some companies have entire staffing teams fueled by ego under the pretence of "entrepreneurship" and "competence", when the opposite is more true. They fire anyone who doesn't wipe their ass and sniff their arse crack and take the fall for the leader's mistakes. Many "top" influencers in self-help have full of teams like this! Most "influencers" have no idea how to run a team that isn't corrupt to its core. They use "honesty", "trust" etc as a company value, when as Simon Sinek once said. If you have to use those words as your company values, then you got bigger concerns to think about. I.e. If you have to emphasise that shit on your company wall, then you've already got a big pile of that shit already within your team and you just don't know it yet.

[@pw5232]

Loyalty is only for family, military and good friends. Nobody else. Americans seem to misunderstand workplace relationships.

[@thezwerdz8560]

Sadly, it took me working for two different companies to learn this. At both companies I went for a pay increase. When asked why they should pay me more, I went through a list of everything that I had volunteered to do in other departments, extra hours worked when everyone else left and didn't care, filling in for people who quit, etc. I was told "you weren't contracted for any of that." I was asked to do it all though and did it thinking I would be a valued employee. I was wrong. The people who taught me to be that way came from a long gone era where the type of employee I was actually meant something.

[@andersnielsen6044]

You are just another tool in the toolbox.. Accept it or leave the "box". ;)

[@lalala-lt8fe]

>I went through a list of everything that I had volunteered to do in other departments That's one place you went wrong. You told your boss that you didn't help his numbers, you helped one of the other boss's numbers.

[@raven-chan2071]

@@lalala-lt8fe so what would be the reason?

[@istvanpraha]

It works both ways. You would eventually get raises at my job, however, I’m tired of everyone acting like they deserve a raise because they did work. Your manager also takes on new projects and stretch projects and doesn’t get raises it’s literally how the world works, you don’t do the same things forever

[@berniecruz8405]

Yep, when I was 23, I, too, went through a similar situation. I was an "expert" in my position and even when new Engineers came on board to the company (just because they had a bachelor degree), I was having to train Engineers on how to do their jobs. So when review time came, I asked for a significant pay raise to the level of Associate Engineer, but since I didn't have degree, they denied me and only gave me $0.11/hr pay raise. I was doing Engineering work at half the salary of even an Associate Engineer. So from that point on, I knew, the only way I was going to get ahead, was to just jump ship and company bounce every 2 to 4 years. And when I left that company, I intentionally came in on a Monday, LATE, (knowing I would be called into the office for a scolding... LOL) and I ended up telling my boss, at the time, that, that day was my last day! No 2 week notice, nothing! I was actually ready to just walk right out and not even work that day. BUT ONLY because one of the engineers that worked there, was a good friend to me, I stuck around for that day only, to train him on what I did in that department. Even he had a hard time catching up and learning everything I did. But what felt the greatest is that the company I left for, literally doubled my pay from what the company I left from, was paying me! AND it was EVEN MORE than what my engineer friend was making, as well!! LOL It was bitter sweet vengeance!! LOL I went from $11/hr to $22/hr and my engineer friend was only making $20/hr and mind you, I didn't have a degree AND my engineer friend had to have a bachelor degree just to qualify for the position he got making only $20/hr! Hate to say it, but when I told him how much I was making, he was flabbergasted! He couldn't believe he wasted 4 years of his life and racked up such a high student loan debt, just so he could get that engineer job and here I was making more than him without going through what he had to go through! LOL PLUS, at that time, I went back to the company 1 year later, IN A 95 BMW (that's how long ago this was... lol) just to go to lunch with my engineer friend and a few other guys (who were part of that "boys club click") and I picked everyone up in my new BMW and they were shocked to see how far I came and what kind of car I had, in such a short period of time! I LOVED EVERYONE MOMENT OF IT! LOL Rubbing their snobbish noses in it! LOL And mind you, even with them being in manager positions and engineers, NONE of them had a luxury car, themselves! LOL

[@Arenchilla]

I was born in the 80’s and was taught at an early age that loyalty was a thing of the past. The longest I have ever spent at a job was 4 years. I’ll take it one step further and teach my son that a two week notice is also a thing of the past. Edit: 2 years later I’m reading this again and need to add that two-week notice is important if you are in good standing and wish to keep it that way moving into the future.

[@bubbateeth2460]

Exactly! After all, when an employer wants to shit can you, how much notice do you get?

[@dre4759]

Two week notice is still valuable in some industries, you are less likey to burn a networking bridge that might come in handy in the future.

[@whyareyouexisting7285]

@@dre4759 burn a networking bridge..? Also which industries are you talking about??

[@devongarcia6603]

@@dre4759 And leaving on good terms allows you to use those employers as a reference for future jobs. why the fuck anyone wants to give up on that is beyond me.

[@devongarcia6603]

@@whyareyouexisting7285 It means if you quit a job at Walmart/McDonalds/etc. on good terms and with a 2 week notice, your former bosses will speak highly of you if you were to apply to another job and ask them to be a reference (which a lot companies require when you apply for a job). (EDIT: I don’t think y’all seem to be understanding the two week notice. the reference from employers is the luxury outcome when leaving a company. But you better make sure you have a fallback option, cause if/when things hit the dirt You’ll bet your ass I’ll have as many options available for me with past employers as possible. That way I could get another job quickly, if there are layoffs at a company or if something else drastic happen.

[@189Blake]

"Employers are going to screw you; so, screw them back.". My corporate philosophy from day one. The earlier you understand this, the faster you'll climb.

[@HowMoneyWorks]

I am sure it has served you well.

[@unknowninfinium4353]

How do you screw them back?

[@nayber2352]

@A Z take all the tp at the start of covid

[@smithrr6]

@@unknowninfinium4353 just like he said in the video, you stay with the company until something better comes along and keep your linkedin profile looking sharp. Basically you don't commit longevity to your current employer. You use the experience and skills from that employer to eventually leave for a better employer. Which means you will have to leave your current employer or you are utterly stagnating your potential.

[@mmerryweather6950]

Same. Fuck these people. Averaging +6% each of the past two years (employed for almost 3), 40hr week, and they're paying for my next degree and professional licensing. Alllllmost 100% working from home now. I'm trying to take every penny of theirs I can get

[@jonathanabgrall6075]

After spending years being told i'd be replaced by machines, i went back to school to become an Electrotechnician. Basically, i repair/install/maintain the machines who were supposed to replace me now. Best decision of my life even if it was partly motivated by spite.

[@threethrushes]

Never underestimate the value of spite. I became self-employed out of spite, and my goal is to take over my employer (give me 15 years).

[@threethrushes]

@scv Ha! I'm in the English-teaching and publishing world. I've always loved being the underdog, being underestimated. Two of my clients are in I.T., btw, but they are in the Czech Republic...

[@sircuffington]

Spite is one of the #1 drivers in this world. Its power creates some of the best careers, and the best stories.

[@BlackBirdNooB]

Haha i do the same, machines will still need humans to work haha

[@TimoRutanen]

That is why Hades doesn't replace the ferryman who rows people across the river Styx to the afterlife. Sure, he could have a motorboat but it still needs a repairman to operate it.

[@ShawnC.W-King]

They expect you to sell your soul to them, but will throw you away on a whim at any moment's notice. They will fire you on the spot, but will get mad or offended when you tell him that you're putting in your two weeks... The hypocrisy is palpably disgusting.

[@orppranator5230]

They expect you to sell your soul to them and them only, for 62 cents,

[@Window4503]

@@matth2471Or after that “Never mind, your mask as a person finally dropped”

[@natebrook]

FUCK EMPLOYERS AND THOSE WHO WORK FOR THEM

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Um excuse me, if you work 30 years you might get a cake and a watch.

[@osl5686]

Haha. They have a closet full of those and write it off as "necessary office supplies" no doubt. 😂

[@RelianceIndustriesLtd]

Due to uncertain market conditions our company has decided to cut down on expenses, so no watch, only cake, one slice only. You have to sign a paper acknowledging you have received a slice of cake.

[@PadyEos]

Not before HR forces you to participate in the PR parade for their social media presence.

[@kyleleblancvlogs3820]

@@RelianceIndustriesLtd TRUEEE

[@crazydog3307]

@@RelianceIndustriesLtd THIS XDDD total feels from my former employer

[@piguyalamode164]

Ironically, this actually is really hurting companies in the current labor shortage. Those jobs that did care about loyalty won big time by keeping their workers while those who thought their workers where replaceable learned otherwise the hard way

[@IgnoreMeImWrong]

And yet it's those same workers that will now feel the crushing regret of a new depression.

[@TheRokaphella]

BINGO!!!

[@John-78]

@@IgnoreMeImWrong Any day now that will happen. In the meantime they will keep being young and happy though. Poor people are used to being poor. It won't be as big a shock to them as you think. Half the households have 1 person who works just to pay for child care. Now that person watches the kids instead. She is no worse off whether she has a job or not.

[@IgnoreMeImWrong]

@@John-78 And day? They're living inside it. *lol* "Half the households have 1 person who works " Yeah, that's how it was during the last great depression, wait until the suicides kick in.

[@John-78]

@@IgnoreMeImWrong You ended my quote a little early. And the suicides have already kicked in. You can pretend the poor have everything to lose but the reality is they have nothing to lose and the wealthy have everything to lose. The poor should go on strike for a week and remind the wealthy what happens if the peasants stop making them money.

[@jeffissimoh59]

I left my employer of 16 years just three months ago. Our CEO would walk the halls telling people just how replaceable they are. Then when people left he had the audacity to complain no one was loyal anymore. In one year, 3 principals left, one VP left, and three lead engineers left. As a project manager I left just to get away from the toxic environment. The firm is 107 years old and is under the "leadership" of the founder's grandson and a hand picked suite of yes men.

[@mhm6]

That company is going to go broke with the son in charge. He doesn’t know the good and bad decisions it would have taken to become a CEO had he actually worked his way up to that position. He’s just winging it at that point.

[@guesswhat9359]

so in other words nepotism killed the company... heard that one before

[@guesswhat9359]

@@mhm6 and thats why nepotism kills companies

[@jeffissimoh59]

@@guesswhat9359 that and a c-suite of yes men. Not a leader amongst them. Their everyday concern was self preservation, not wellbeing of the company.

[@SakuseiMaking]

And still this company gonna change name and sell the same things with the same quality make the same money and you can stay uneployed trying to survive cause life doesnt give you something that you can count on

[@marcs8395]

I recently left my job, my boss said he would give me a 20k raise which still would be less then my new position. I told him no. He said that’s what you asked for when you came for a raise 2 months ago I said true, and now that I’m leaving you decide to give me what I asked for ? Doesn’t work that way.

[@rhetoricstephen]

If you make me go through the trouble of searching for another job and landing one, it's far too late to give me what I asked for.

[@JJS1985]

Price went up! Good for you

[@alexs858]

Makes no sense why raises from your current company suck. They incentivize you to leave

[@ns.hidayat]

👏👏👏👏

[@CryptoRoast_0]

Side note: if anyone comes around your office wanting to create a "skills matrix" or wanting to "document risks" it means ya'll about to lose your jobs. I speak from experience 😅

[@HowMoneyWorks]

haha well I will make sure to keep an eye out for those buzz words, thanks for the heads up.

[@mathdhut3603]

Begone, SWOT!

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@@HowMoneyWorks it's cool, we got made redundant and although the money wasnt great it paid for me to travel all over europe, best time of my life. They did me a favour :)

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@A Z I'm not sure how that relates to what I said.

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@A Z makes a lot more sense now you edited your post. My role was DevOps engineer. Previously you said "In my line of work WE tell people if and when we have time to do the job. Don't like it? Wait till 2022 to complete your project then." This caused confusion because this has no relevance to my situation because a director ordered someone to go round gathering data, we weren't particularly involved in when and how that happened.

[@laabitres]

Staying loyal to companies is one of the dumbest things ever, they dont care about you, you are just a number and theyll get rid of you and replace you with the quickness

[@lifeisabadjoke5750]

Yup. Fuck em. Always think about what’s best for your own situation just how they think.

[@michaelbest1827]

StaticLocs, I agree. Yes, LARGE companies don't seem to care about their employees, per se. But if you are a Good employee, in my experience, they will encourage you to stay, and achieve higher positions.

[@casebeth]

@@michaelbest1827 completely false.

[@ssuwandi3240]

Very rare.. in 10 years only one person i considered as great boss who gave me a decent appraisal / raise..the remaining 4 or 5 were either butt licker or oldie politician!

[@VincentViolence]

Hahaha wow

[@ZombieJesusxx]

Employer: This company is like family. Also employer: Idc your mom passed away or you had were in a car accident, you can't have more than 1 leave.

[@dirkdiggler2865]

If a prospective employer says “we’re a family here” in an interview RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU CAN

[@siriohh4383]

Forreal. I sprained my ankle and had to work 13hrs, meanwhile my regional manager left early to catch his dinner plans in time. What a joke.

[@bernikang712]

What they meant is now THEY are your family, your biological family is secondary.

[@leila_de_hautjardin]

That's true : I got in trouble for having a car accident

[@aaronhousley7178]

Was in a car accident after work, got on the phone with my manager “ you know if you call out that’s a point?” Lol

[@albertastro3761]

This is true in the finance industry, and I’ve been experiencing this for the past 8 years. I started working for a bank fresh out of graduate school for an okay salary. Raises and promotions during the first three years represented about a 5% salary increase. I moved internally, and saw a jump of 15%… followed by 5% the next 4 years. I decided to look externally for opportunities because I had an MBA, 7 years of experience, and three certifications in my field… I switched companies and got a 31% salary increase… On my way out the first one tried to get me to stay by matching the offer… but, if they could have done it all along - why didn’t they??? I took the new role… and plan on staying for 3 years and then moving again. I’m convinced this is the only way to get a salary that is at market value.

[@unbreakable4650]

👍best of luck, you have a bright future my friend ‼️

[@thatfatguy7591]

Good luck man. I wish you the best. Keep doing what's best for you and your family.

[@No-Hassle]

I’m fresh to the industry. I’m taking notes

[@vergilmontiero2558]

By having experience at multiple companies and not being too stagnant? Sounds like something to try.

[@keacyut7]

This is 100% true based on my own experience.

[@baijokull]

Companies seem so confused that employees don't give them loyalty for minimum wages. Sure, employees are replaceable. But so are employers...

[@Loengrinn]

Less and less so as the big companies continue buying the small ones or merging with similar big ones.

[@nicolasm400]

@@Loengrinn indeed capitalism is monopolistic

[@adsfadsfasdasdfasf2439]

@@nicolasm400 I hope that wasn't sarcasm because every money clutching agent in a capitalistic system has an incentive to grow bigger and wipe out competition. They have no personal incentive to make the market fair, they have incentive to make it biased in their favor.

[@nicolasm400]

@@adsfadsfasdasdfasf2439 no sarcasm! yes you see the capitalist system for what it is

[@Theomite]

It's not loyalty, it's purpose. Employers have put the whammy on labor for decades by trying to tie work with purpose so that they can justify work as the sole reward for an employee. Earning the boss money is The Great Purpose of the worker, and should therefore be satisfaction enough. A worker wanting money in exchange is lazy because they want material reward instead of noble intangible fulfillment. It's a type of religious gaslighting but with economics as its foundation instead of metaphysics. Needless to say, the employer doesn't exactly share this sentiment of work being its own reward, but that's the blind spot...and its there for a reason.

[@dool1002]

I once had an amazing manager who got everyone's back and bought lunch every week for the staff. He was liked and respected by clients and staff... every quarter the performance was up and we were profitable. For his 25 year anniversary, the large multinational company we worked for gave him... a book stand, engraved with the company's name. 😂 what a joke

[@hernantuquero5969]

At Nike they give you $ bonus for working 25 years. In fact, they give employees $10,000 bonus if they still work there after 30 years.

[@dool1002]

@@hernantuquero5969 when you consider inflation and taxes... that's not much.... equity or a perpetual funds would be a greater gift.

[@smoozerish]

He got a wage for 25 years. Isn't that enough. He obviously likes the company if he stayed that long. If he didn't then more fool him.

[@thegorn]

Books are important

[@DimaRakesah]

A book stand? That's pretty sad.

[@cjmhall]

In reality: company hires somebody from outside who interviewed very well but turns out to have no relevant experience or work ethic. The employees who were passed over for an internal promotion become resentful and disengaged.

[@sumralltt]

Especially if the lose becomes your boss!

[@Scholaroflife]

Absolutely, where I last worked, they got a new plant manager from outside that had been fired from every position that he had held before. Naturally there was a lot of resentment about this. Myself, I was dismayed about how little he knew about lumber mills and over time became even more bitter as he showed absolutely no inclination to learn anything. I worked in electrical maintenance and one time he told me to go check the contacts inside of 480V crossline starters WHILE the mill was running. I told him, "No, I'm allergic to death", and he than went to every other electrician and told them to go check the contacts. The others naturally refused, some more profanely than others, the plant manager then went to the electrical supervisor to try and get the supervisor to force us into checking the contacts. Anyway, there was a reason the most polite nickname for the plant manager was Dum-dum.

[@kjemma]

Thats what happened to me. Passed over several times. So when I was asked to work overtime or got calls from work asking me to come in on my days and weekends off I simply did the unthinkable thing - said "no". My boss almost had a heart-attack, cause it was the first time I had refused to go the extra mile for the company. Treat me like crap, and you get crap in return.

[@sumralltt]

@@lonewanderer_n7 It's clear they quit caring too!

Exactly, then the place can't keep or train talent, and the business winds up bought out replacing everyone.

[@michaelmcgee2026]

I've walked off several jobs without giving any notice. It finally dawned on me to go into business for myself. It was a rough 2 years learning new skills since I didn't really have any. Best decision I ever made. I work all over the country now. Charge what I want. Work when I want. I'll never let an employer decided things for my life ever again.

[@Ruiseal]

Whats your job?

[@jimyoung9262]

This is the way

[@plannerjoy]

The worst part of having a small business is recruiting employees. After you own your business for a few years and decide to grow it then you no longer view employees through an employee lens you start viewing then through an employer lens. You begin to understand a true cost of an employee. More often than not you end up working longer hours and performing more tasks than your employees. It’s a great idea to own your own business and obtain a thorough experience of finding qualified help to potentially appreciate why employers are so selective about whom they hire. As a naive business owner I thought that everyone who applies for work is a responsible individual boy was I in for a rude awakening. My very first employee did not reappear to work after one day training, no email, no phone call. I can’t count how many people do not show up for a scheduled interview. As an employee I understood that it’s my job to look for employers interest in exchange for my pay check. I wasn’t concerned with loyalty. I looked at my employment as a contractural obligation, similarly to how I currently view my customers. An employer is my customer as long as I’m employed in that company.

[@AhDollar]

​@@Ruisealunfortunately he died immediately after posting this comment, because i guess putting "i found a job where i'm happy and financially stable" is enough to put you on a hitlist, i can't tell you the amount of times i've seen people say they have very good jobs, then ghost everyone who asks what the job is and for advice on how they too can be happy

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

Don’t forget that the employer also expects you to have a perfectly-written resume, write a custom cover letter for their position, pass numerous interview phases that take close to an hour (or more) each, wait for weeks for an answer, and possibly even do free work to “prove” you can do the job even though you already have a fat portfolio to prove that, and then they turn you down anyway. Every single job can require 5-10 hours of work, sometimes more, when you probably won’t even get hired because they went with an internal candidate and could have just saved you all that time and effort by just hiring the internal candidate in the first place.

[@sircuffington]

If they take that long, more than likely, they're trying to find someone else.

[@neilmuir3503]

@@sircuffington no you dont get it. They are always looking for someone they think is a better deal. All of the companies do this.

[@Tomn8er]

Don't know what industry you're in, but if you're spending 5-10hours per job application, you're a tool. Interview process is 2-3 hours tops, resume and cover letter should basically be one of just a couple similar templates, depending on the job. Writing custom resumes/cover letters for each position is not necessary. Most positions I don't even submit a cover letter because nobody reads it anyway.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

@@Tomn8er I am in a six-figure corporate career, so having something generic doesn't cut it. Unfortunately, practices like this are common in my line of work.

[@goldstein10493]

It's not perfect

[@killersugar6816]

“Your boss is going to screw you, so screw them back.” That’s great advice.

[@chrisschmid472]

An eye for an eye makes us all blind *_*

[@alexb8926]

@@chrisschmid472 lol they got you 😅. But yes that's how it should be but in capitalism you or me are disposable.

[@889976889]

@Alex B you spelled corporatism wrong.

[@sircuffington]

@@chrisschmid472 We were all blind from the start.

[@julija5564]

how to screw them back?

[@terrystephens1102]

Unfortunately, values like loyalty and dedication mean nothing in today’s business world. It’s cheaper to hire a new employee, at a lower salary , and fire an existing employee being paid more. Corporate loyalty is now a myth.

[@FierceMotorworks]

It's cheaper on paper, so they teach that mentality in business schools. Someone should calculate the long term cost of constantly training new employees and having reduced productivity from newbies who don't know what they are doing yet. Not to mention "cost of poor quality" when the new person inevitably makes mistakes.

[@grumpy_cat1337]

they actually pay new hires more, at least in programming world.

[@Tomatenmark13579]

It's not a cultural shift but an economic one. Companies don't treat people as well anymore because unions in america today are basically dead.

[@Al3xandr35]

That is so false where did you learn business from kindergarten book?

[@verybarebones]

And even if it cuts profits thats a problem for next quarter.

[@dalehuhtala9285]

I worked for one organization for 31 years. I was 4 years from full retirement when they laid me off for no apparent reason. Very toxic environment but you're right...long term employees become a target, they are not at all appreciated!

[@The_Raven_]

That happened to my girlfriends dad. 21 years loyal they fired him because he so senior in the company that he was making too much hourly. That the only reason they cut him was because of that

[@johnfoltz8183]

@@The_Raven_and probably replaced him with someone getting paid less

[@mjtvalfather]

I have worked in the recruitment/ HR industry nationally and globally for the past 8 years. This video is very accurate. HR departments and leaders will spout their narrative around talent that give you the impression they care. They don't. The clue is in the word "resources". And the cheaper that resource the better.

[@michelfortier9563]

I laughed through the whole video. After 37 years in the Corporate World working for S&P 50 Companies, this guy has it right on the money! You do a great job, get raises and before you know it, your salary is outside the parameters of your job and guess what.....you're re-engineered out of your job (thrown out the door). Happened to me 3 different times. I feel sorry for younger people today. Thank God I was able to make a lot of money in the market allowing me to bail out and never look back.

[@daviddestefano5044]

i also made over 35 years .....dont think the young guy or gal can do that now...culture has changed the "new / outside hire" is valued more then the employee on the job....the corporate ladder non existent with mergers and acquisitions.....the short term (quarter goal) means more then the 5 year plan.....the only advice I can give is work hard, continue to learn, save your $, learn how to invest, ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN B

[@jackmorgan8931]

Hey, Michel... And my story is the flip-side of that coin. I started working full time on Saturday 06/07/79, the night after high school graduation. I got fired on Friday 07/20/18 from what would be my last job. So that is 49 years 01 month 13 days of full time blue-collar labor. And all along the way I was being lectured and chastized for my "bad attitude," told that I "owed" my employer "something," yes, "loyalty" is the word. Define irony: 18 of those companies no longer exist. So now I am indeed that "old guy" who enjoys talking to the younger generation of working men and women. I'll simply quote you then go away: "I feel sorry for younger people today." Michel, stay safe and be well.

[@daviddestefano5044]

you are right on ...we were once told (before a huge downsizing) "if you want loyalty buy a dog" .....employees do not owe loyalty because there is none given

[@briang.7206]

I hired on with AT&T in 1973..back then when people asked where I worked I was proud to say I work for MaBell.

[@jackmorgan8931]

@@briang.7206 Holy crap! You worked for MaBell! That is so cool. So you worked for that evil monolithic empire that had the monopoly of telephone service that simply had to be busted and broken apart in the name of "fairness" and because this nation was not about to allow "big business" to run and control everything? That MaBell? The one phone service that I never, no not once, ever cussed for being essentially worthless considering how damned much I've had to pay to, first, Verizon, for just a few years but now, yeah, I am indeed a loyal AT&T customer. God, I miss MaBell. Brian, stay safe and be well.

[@unknownuser6809]

There’s one point sorely missed. Ageing. As you age no matter how skilled you are you become less employable. You can jump from job to job until you get to a stage where employers won’t bother

[@raybod1775]

My expertise was computer programming technical analysis, I passed up a number of job opportunities before and after I retired because I didn’t desperately need the money. I’d rather watch the bees pollinate the flowers in my garden.

[@hornetguy9063]

I’ve been obfuscating my age since like 30. I’m looking to move into more of a managerial role once I do my time with this startup I’m working with because individual contributors in their 50’s are almost inevitably a terrible business deal for a corporation. Expect them to get in later, leave earlier, require more training to do the same stuff, and take more time off. And of course expect them to demand more compensation and complain more.

[@supermash1]

And then you start to work for yourself at twice the pay you made working for someone else. At this point you tell people what to pay you not the other way around. Even if you can only bill for 3/4 time of a full time job, you're still ahead significantly. I would find it almost impossible to work for someone else now that I'm on my own.

[@OU81TWO]

@@hornetguy9063 It depends on work ethic. I'm 51 and have never been a permanent employee. I've always done contract work and never been out of a job. I'm in demand because of my skillsets, work ethic, knowledge base, and network of clients I've established over the years. It's also because I actually enjoy what I do.

[@davidnelson7719]

@@hornetguy9063 That has never been my experience. Millennials are the absolute worst. Are you sure you aren't talking about them?

[@lapraxi]

I asked my employer for a raise and I mentioned the gas cost. He refused by saying that he wants me to work more and I said ok np. Same day I already started looking for a new job but one week later the company offered me one of their vehicles to take home which means I won't pay for gas. I think the company made the right decision

[@OllieWales]

The fastest land vehicle on earth isn't bloodhound SSC, it's a company car that the employee doesn't have to pay for the maintenance of

[@lapraxi]

Last week I set a new world record by missing two consecutive days of work. The company is highly satisfied I might even get promoted

[@danny1103]

Employee: "I want a raise" Employer: "No raise".....thinking out loud....we probably can issue a car with filled gas to the employee as daily driver, and it will be considered as business expense and therefore business tax deductible. Employee: "Got a car for work."

[@jonathan6480]

I'd still get a job offer from another company and bend your employer over a barrel.

[@burtonl7239]

@@danny1103 Raises have additional costs. Taxes, social security, etc.

[@rafaelborskie6995]

This is very true. I was in a company that I thought valued their employees loyalty. 13 years of service and then out of the blue outsourced the job. We didn't even get a farewell or thank you. HR just spoke to us that the company is letting us go. Sad reality.

[@seabreeze4559]

laugh and offer them high consulting fees for when the outsourcing is subpar

[@phoenixxena8194]

I left a semiconductor company in 2019 to continue my study. And 2 years later, I heard from a friend, they outsourced all their IT employees. I was surprised, because semiconductor is a niche industry. When I started there, the first 3-6 months were wtf-months....cause I need to learn all the domain knowledge of semiconductor world. Not to mention, I was in B2B, where we need to send data asap to customer to get their order, especially from engineering to production. I don't know who gives that idea to management. You just can't quantify and replace the domain knowledge that exists in someone's brain. The management is just too blind to see that.

[@W1ckedAmbitions]

After working for almost 12 years now there's 2 things I've learned. One is to work hard enough to get through the day and stay out of trouble but don't strive for anything more cause working to try and be the best of your peers will most likely go unnoticed or unappreciated. And the other is don't think just cause you've worked for one company for a good amount of years and gained a bit of experience means your invulnerable. You can still get replaced easily or fired at the drop of a hat if needed.

[@forman208]

The first part is spot on. By all means, if you're working in something your passionate about, the sky's the limit. But if you're just there to make a living, it makes absolutely no sense to do more than the minimum required, because 99 times out of 100 your extra effort will go unnoticed and unrewarded anyway. Office Space had a great scene about this, saying it'll make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

Exactly how I work. I’m actually typing this while clocked in, lol. Admittedly, it’s because my machine is down and maintenance is a nightmare here.

[@Lionwoman]

Work hard enough, but never Work for free. If you're putting extra hours then be paid.

[@sedatmehmed4371]

@@forman208 Slack labor is the result of businesses standardizing labor to work hours. That incentivizes people to put the bare minimum of efforts possible just to not get fired. Do you know where else this was a problem? Soviet block, yup the corporate culture leads to the same inefficiency as in soviet communism. At least there were some moral rewards in USSR so some people did actually work hard. It is proven in human history even if you work for a salary that goal based approach is much more efficient than making people just live through 8 hour work day. Studies in Japan have showed that people can do the work for a workday in 4 hours if they get to go home after those 4 hours (office jobs of course). In Germany overtime is basically non-existent and your managers don't get impressed if you stay late, quite the opposite, someone might ask you what's the problem and why can't you get your stuff done in the normal working hours

[@viharsarok]

I can confirm that both insights are correct.

[@MercenaryTau]

I remember when an old boss of mine came out of his office to say, "I get 100 resumés a day, all of you are replaceable" and then went back to hiding behind his door

[@sumralltt]

Those kind of managers really get under my skin - They are worthless!

[@infernalstryfe]

Imagine the look on his face, had everyone just walked out then, & there.

[@squirehaggard4749]

I would have replied (or at least thought) that if people are sending in resumes, did it ever occur to him that his people might be sending out resumes, and might all be gone when he least expects it.

[@GaudyMarko]

I interviewed for a company that tried to offer me minimum wage despite having 3 years of work experience as a software engineer. Found out that their company has a bad reputation for exploiting student/new graduate labor by finding desperate people with minimal experience and locking them into underpaid contracts where they're obligated to stay with the company for X years and promising students that the training experience was valuable for their careers. Ive been telling all my school friends to stay away from those bastards ever since.

[@az5129]

just curious, but what is the company name?

[@GaudyMarko]

Fdm-Group

[@V2RocketScientist]

Wow. I don't know how anyone could still be paying minimum wage. You must mean the state minimum? Because the Federal minimum is pretty dead especially now.

[@GaudyMarko]

@@V2RocketScientist I'm canadian, the provincial minimum wage was $14.00 cdn/hr. For reference a studio appartment in Toronto is more than $1.6k/month and an entry level software engineer is $80k annual.

[@Ir0nFrog]

Pretty sure any contract that says “you must work for us” is unenforceable and/or illegal.

[@jmason0622]

My very first job, I was assigned (fortunately) to a supervisor who took us out for after-hours drinks on our first day in the office. His advice back then still sticks with me 13 years later: you are replaceable, do not expect loyalty from a company, and always keep your lines open for opportunity. Worked fine for me to this day. But I do regret the first six years of me disregarding his advice.

[@MFDoomguy21]

I know this is a weird concept for employers but hear me out: how about companies learn to retain base level employees? Start from the bottom work towards the top. Show appreciation. Emphasize the appeal of working at your company, pay people more, don’t have “Events” or “Group Trips” line your employees wallets better, you’ve got the money, spend it on the people that keep your lights on.

[@ImJiom]

there's no motivation to do this if it doesnt affect the company's bottom line why should the company care if people have career progression within their organization?

[@planescaped]

@@ImJiom I almost think the rise of the internet and the push towards a group-consciousness from it has made society and people far more jaded, cynical and shitty... and _that_ certainly has a trickle effect...

[@thiagolucas893]

Or you may fall for the Peter Principle, where people get promoted until they find themselves in a position they're not suited for

[@OP_-pk9hm]

Did you not watch the video? He explained the whole internal promotion thing pretty well. Promoting internally helps your employee more than the employer. It's a headache that they can buy medicine for. Yes, companies rather pay more for someone new than feel like an employee is winning.

[@happyblt624]

roblox groups are better at that

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9296]

The bigger a company gets, the less "human" its management becomes. We live in an age of massive corporations that are "too big to fail." It's a lot easier to treat someone like a cog in the system when you're sitting in an office hundreds of miles away from them.

[@yanzulyfx9887]

The government need to stop saving them. Let them fail. Bring new ones.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9296]

@@yanzulyfx9887 true

[@matheenarif8645]

@@yanzulyfx9887 Good luck with that

[@johnfoltz8183]

And a lack a human interaction in a large online company fulfillment warehouse were it was a fast paced environment and human interaction was frowned upon

[@mysticaltyger2009]

Exactly.

[@owenb8636]

Learnt this lesson very strongly during covid. My previous employer cut everyone's wages by 40% and as far as I know still haven't resumed pre covid wages. I found a new company that pays me 30% more for similar work. The most companies are ever likely to offer is when you start working for them.

[@scifirealism5943]

Yep. Especially with minimal wage. Minimum wage jobs never increase their pay.

[@JessicaVianaa]

I just painfully learned this lesson in the past 2 years. But I’m happy I learned it in my early years of working experience. In 4 weeks I’m leaving the company I’ve been with for 4 1/2 years for a 67% salary increase 🙏🏻

[@josron6088]

Wow that's really cool. Congratulations 😀

[@CamaroAmx]

67% pay increase? What are you leaving your position as fry cook at McDonald’s?

[@JessicaVianaa]

@@CamaroAmx Nope, Data Analyst

[@father5946]

@@CamaroAmx my guy, why are you liking your own comments?

[@CamaroAmx]

@@father5946 must of bumped it….

[@racewiththefalcons1]

Businesses also love to get rid of 20-year employees so they can hire someone else to do the same job for half the cost.

[@willrobinson9767]

Verizon laid off 300 people 50 year olds that had been working for 20 years... They all got laid off..

[@andrewhegstrom2187]

Not usually half the cost really. I was a 17 year employee doing double or more the output of others and it would take 2 new hires at 2/3ds the cost each to replace me.

[@willrobinson9767]

@@andrewhegstrom2187 I was on an assembly line....They could plug me into any spot on the line and I would do the work of two people.... They got rid of me because I was making them look bad.... Pride was worth far more than production....

[@andrewhegstrom2187]

@@willrobinson9767 I'm a nurse and was doing medical reviews, but nobody could touch my output due to my sheer amount of knowledge, even after my brain tumor. To make it worse I could do it in less than 8 hours too. I was honestly replaced because a new company acquired us and I was "old guard"

[@willrobinson9767]

@@andrewhegstrom2187 Stupid reason of course...

[@idrathernot_2]

>companies abandon any loyalty to employees >Employees start ghosting companies, quitting every six month for better positions and refusing to take shit jobs for any pay during the opening moves of a recession forcing employers to jack up pay and sign on bonuses How could any of this happen to us? - employers

[@georgevue8175]

8 miles south of Boston: Retired work at Lowes part-time - Ever since marijuana was legalized no one can pass the drug test.

[@ananimal9779]

@@georgevue8175 they'll hopefully stop giving a damn about popping weed. It's an obsolete policy at this point.

[@georgevue8175]

@@ananimal9779 The 2nd Amendment is absolute.

[@ananimal9779]

@@georgevue8175 that has nothing to do with the topic?

[@howtoappearincompletely9739]

@@ananimal9779 Yeah, I can't work out what the right to bear arms has to do with any of this, either.

[@bizichyld]

My company is offering $200k signing bonuses for a two year commitment but current employees in my position haven’t gotten a raise in 5 years. This now makes perfect sense in the context of this video.

[@AlexandrShah]

It’s a first time I hear DevOps mentioned in a video that is not specifically talking about DevOps

[@haihai2999]

lol

[@bryan.conrad]

The normies are using the sacred D word now we have make up another word for "app keeper upper"

[@aaronrobinson2121]

@@bryan.conrad lol I'm using this from now on

[@skatershaner]

It threw me off as well.

[@reza2251]

@@silaszebedee9331 around DC. Yuck no thanks

[@HowMoneyWorks]

I didn't forget globalization this time!

[@dankydoodle3089]

.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Globalization didn't forget you either ❤️

[@BabeTryThis]

Automations and strict control standards.

[@ahmadashraf9448]

HAHA. Did you remake the previous vids on the missing Globalization? I never checked back lol

[@SiisKolkytEuroo]

Who writes these subtitles? There are subtle mistakes in them

[@wordsayer19]

Everything this video said after "If this sounds depressing, it doesn't have to..." sounded even more depressing. All you're saying is the ability to market yourself is more important than actual skills or work ethic. Which will (or already has) inevitably lead to a work force full of outgoing, overconfident people who don't necessarily have the level of skill they pretend to. This is a world ruled by arrogant extroverts. Screw all the humble, hard-working people I guess.

[@jamesquick9843]

Had a coworker who lied on their res and got payed more than me. Quit less than a month later. I quit 2 months later. Whole place was fuckn trash. Just lie, ask for high pay and hope for the best.

[@swank8508]

extrovert vs introvert is bunk, just learn to be friendly and outgoing for even a single hour that you have the interview in

[@ChonnyD]

Interviews are lying contests between yourself and the employer. Honesty is punished much more often than rewarded. I learned what you typed in your comment the hard way

[@jamesquick9843]

@@ChonnyD I hate the fact that your right.

[@bernikang712]

Yeah, sadly nowadays is just all about the finesse

[@abhinavkumar2156]

As an engineer now joining a B School, I can attest the fact that the only time I got a raise in my salary was when I switched jobs.

[@tranger4579]

Shortly after paying off my home and paying off all my debt I decided it was time to landscape being that I own my home and everything I learned of yardwork was from my father I decided to put my knowledge to work. I invested 1500 dollars on standard yard equipment and got to work. I was trimming my old huge oak trees and kept getting stopped and asked if I had a business/ business card. I had twenty people ask me one Saturday afternoon which was amazing. I got tired of my job of 18 years and gave my boss my notice. Boss basically said bye. No why or nothing. Got my own business doing yard work now and going great

[@hrvojeberden1308]

That is awesome man,good job

[@buckbeak7164]

Good for you ✨✨✨ being self employed is better than being a capitalist slave anyday.

[@ajinxd]

"Love your job But Don't love your company, because you may not know when your company stops loving you" - Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam (Former President of India)

[@smoozerish]

Getting sacked or leaving forced to leave a toxic workplace can sometimes be the best thing that ever happened to you.

[@threethrushes]

Amen!

[@Lavenderlight1]

It is but now it’s hard to find a non toxic job field all job has them. So now it’s some what better to work from home for me less in person micro aggressions🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@burtonl7239]

It’s sometimes the best thing for the workplace as well. Normally people who complain most about toxicity are the most toxic ones. 😂

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Never working in an office again. It's always the fake butt kissers that get ahead and that was never me.

[@PANICBLADE]

Worst advice I ever got was to build company loyalty and expect to climb. Doesn't work because the company will never go out of their way to open opportunities for you now, especially not in lower level positions. You can actually do your job so well and they will be LESS likely to promote. If they did, they would have to train you for a new job and replace you with another person to train. If you're in tight with someone higher up it can happen, but that's your friend helping you climb, NOT the company. Worked at the same place for 7 years and was never offered a promotion, or even told about opportunities to increase. Whenever I took initiative, they told me what I just said, that I was too important doing the job I was already doing. Whether they're lying to you or telling the truth with a response like that is irrelevant. Make your own opportunity and leave when you get a better offer. Worked in 4 different places the last 6 years and each place builds my resume and increases my pay.

[@gotinogaden]

They have no incentive to move you up from a low level position, especially you've taken it on willingly or are good at it. In the former, they think that you're likely not smart enough to progress further, and in the latter, why open up a position when there's a risk that no one else will probably fulfill it to the same extent?

[@apollovizsla]

You are so right! I am a very hard worker and a loyal employee. I am 61 years old and have been working at the same place for 30 years and when a promotion came around, it went to a 23 year old guy who is very good friends with the director of human resources and he has only been working there for three years!

[@matthewcaldwell8100]

Here's the problem. We're treating excuses like reasons. A company can always come with a reason to screw you. And then, because they don't have to be consistent, you will walk away trying to derive a lesson from it. One manager says they went with in an internal candidate when you were looking for a job, another makes you feel foolish for thinking you could be promoted internally. The promise of advancement is dangled for overworking yourself, and then it is used as justification for refusing to do so. Team building and work culture are crucial, but never so much that they can't tear that to pieces on a moment's notice to placate the whims of executives or shareholders.

[@dtvjho]

The change was well underway by the mid-1980s. While in college, I was hearing about how RCA in Moorestown NJ would take engineers with less than a year left and dump them with no warning, ostensibly to avoid paying retirement. What chums, I knew who NOT to work for. The newspapers noticed how companies were laying off during a good economic period, kept asking why and saying this was not normal. Layoffs only came when the business cycle was headed south. Now it was being done to "improve" company finances and thereby the stock price. Turns out this was also the time when companies moved away from paying their brass in cash to paying them in stock, with bonuses for a higher stock price. That's when Corporate America figured out they get rid of people just to pump up the company stock. How selfish.

[@Candiedbacon75]

Dude, I worked at a grocery store 12 years ago where the owners sold the store chain suddenly and gave the shaft to 3 or 4 people who were close to retirement. The store manager was only 8 fuckin days short!!! Imagine that. My first dose of reality as a young 20 something.

[@s0nnyburnett]

@@Candiedbacon75 Jesus

[@CareerGameChanger]

Job hopping took me from minimum wage to over six figures in three years; combined with working in a tax-free country, I will hit full financial independence well before 40. Loyalty to a company is futile and never in your best interests. Instead, choose companies that pay you well (or offer you the opportunity to learn a specialist skill that will increase your employability), keep an eye on the market the whole time, and if you can get better value elsewhere --- leave, respectfully. Loved the video, and sharing this message is what my channel is all about too!

[@mathijs]

May I ask in what field you are in? I might be prejudiced, but not all fields have such big differences from minimum wage to 6 figures, right? Although in general I fully agree that job hopping helps!

[@Hazard598]

I too am curious about what fields and careers you're involved in

[@CareerGameChanger]

@@mathijs sure - I’m in law but I’m sharing my career trajectory wasn’t linear to one industry. I did retail, consulting and law.

[@xsweetheart293]

Same here. Went from minimum wage to 90k job hoping within a 3-4 year span

[@markwalter4881]

Don Draper of "Mad men" said, "... (t)he money is how we say thank-you and good job."

[@20tea]

Crazy, working at my job 20 years now. Company is ok and put me through college, but recognize that you are providing a service and loyalty isn't necessarily recognized. It's best that you enjoy the job and people you work while getting reasonable pay. If either of those factors don't work, then it's time to seek change with the job you perform within the company or seek other opportunities with another employer.

[@gsdgirl8967]

agree. anyways sometimes you leave and then u find out it all the same bullshit. Unless u in the management most of the time u don't get recognized. But my company is very generous with vacation. Now getting 20 hours a month plus sick time and some volunteer time off. Also, love my job. 😉

[@medicmule]

Having spent 9 years with a single employer and been extremely loyal the entire time, I've learned an important lesson about employer philosophy... The employee must give everything and get nothing, and when they burn out just throw them away. At least slave owners have an investment to protect.

[@0volts157]

It's a hard lesson to learn but once you understand - you are better off. I used to always go above and beyond because I wanted to make a difference. What a mistake. Now I think like the Joker: 'If you are good at something, never do it for free.'

[@0volts157]

@Pavan Kumar Good advice, matey. Best of luck to you.

[@cristiansofrone1127]

Kanin

[@medicmule]

@@cristiansofrone1127 I'm nearly 50 lol I'm not certain what you mean.

[@medicmule]

@@cristiansofrone1127 I don't know what your response means, but it is probably one of the most educational comments I'll ever see... What country are you in?

[@Tsollazo]

Each time I've left a position after 2-3 years I've seen a jump in 20-40% of my salary. It just makes sense especially when career progression inside a company is never concrete and 2% increases YoY only adjust for inflation.

[@AtomicNexus]

I come from the future, and let me tell you that 2% doesn't cover inflation anymore. 🙃

[@SU1C1D3xPR4D4]

2% inflation? Man I miss 9 months ago 🤧

[@LittleMew133]

I asked for 30% pay raise, got 50%. But very specific circumstances that cannot be replicated.

[@robertblume2951]

@@AtomicNexus it never did. Even the best years had about 3 percent inflation because that's what the institutional economists wanted.

[@drakokamikaze8823]

Thats exactly my experience. Ever pay increase is that same as inflation so you basically get paid the same forever.

[@apc9714]

I would like the company I will work for to be like a family, meaning they it would take 9 months to replace me

[@HowMoneyWorks]

LOL!

[@lfestevao]

Son, we have some news: - The bad news is that you were adopted - The good news is that your new family is already at the door

[@johnmcginnis5201]

@@lfestevao The worse news, my wife finally gets pregnant and you are shoved out the door.

[@revcrussell]

Joke's on you, management, HR, and security clearances are all so dysfunctional that we are looking at 14 months for replacing people if we are lucky.

[@jwenting]

the company has multiple pregnancies going on at all times, the one nearest to term to replace you is 8 months pregnant already.

[@richardblock2458]

I always saw myself as self employed and I have been working since 1973. I actually became self employed in 2005 - and ran my own business for 14 years. I loved it and wondered how I wound up working for years for people who couldn't care less.

[@chrispaul3778]

When you invest you're buying a day you don't have to work

[@kelvinpeter8640]

This is not the first time I'm hearing about Catherine Woods and her trading exploits but I have no idea how to reach her

[@cassiejacobs4197]

Keep learning from your errors, success goes with failures, try to hire experts and above all be prayerful

[@paddyoak1]

Yeah; then the government steals it via taxation.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

corporations by the late 1970s said themselves that their responsibility is to the shareholder.... not to the employees. that's all you need to know and that's all she wrote folks.

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

@saslykasLT that's the only thing left to do. you need to own the businesses. of course being a minority shareholder doesn't mean jack diddly but it's better than nothing.

[@somecuriosities]

@saslykasLT No. You can't have shares. If you had any noteworthy amount of shares then that might inconvenience the oligarchs. What do you think this is? Market Communism or something? 😜

[@HansLemurson]

@saslykasLT worker owned cooperative?

[@redthered3242]

@@HansLemurson I like your thinking

[@marczhu7473]

@@HansLemurson being like huawei in short get share when in and sell shares when out.

[@artsimulation]

I learned this way back in the 1990s. I quickly saw how people were cast aside when they were no longer needed. I saw that companies did not care about keeping you so I always moved on to a better paid job after 3 years.

[@vox207]

The description for the bank manager is so true. I work at a bank and had always thought highly of the bank manager role but after 6 years I realized they just make sure customers aren’t upset with the bank and to make we hit their sales goal.

[@THillick]

The ‘C’ level doesn’t want great people hanging around a learning the ropes or seeing opportunities to improve the company. As you move further down the ladder the fear becomes more and more palpable. It’s why I spent 95% of my career as a consultant. Higher pay, stayed away from the politics and drama. Moved on in an average of 18 months… It was heartbreaking to meet nice people, with ethics, morals and great skills stay in a place getting 2% raises as their skill set value was increasing 15%-20% every year. Some are trapped by circumstance, healthcare, family commitments etc. Companies feed off these workers.

[@rayakoth]

Don't forget that this is essentially putting the burden of training/specializing on to the employee.

[@danlightened]

That's the reason Adobe softwares are so easy to pirate. Adobe knows that if a lot of students use their software for free, they will go on to use it at their workplace. And workplaces require mass licensing.

[@aaronbono4688]

So basically the solution is, they're going to screw you so screw them back. What a wonderful world we live in today.

[@teslascoop2177]

Thats what they want you to believe.. but ask yourself who is doing this

[@darrenrobinson9041]

It has never been any different ever anywhere.

[@sorrychangedmyusername3594]

Dog eat dog.

[@seasdiamond1926]

He is mostly describing the US economy, this isn't that normal in most of the world. It's only because in America we focus everything on short term profits, to the exclusion of long term sustainability or durability against exogenous shocks.

[@matthewsheeran]

It's called Advanced Capitalism.

[@williamford9564]

8:31: I was a bank manager in the late 80s and you nailed this one EXACTLY right. The job actually began changing in the 90s, with among other things the centralization of credit decisions which were formerly the domain of the branch manager.

[@michaelparks3106]

Here in silicon valley it's commonly understood that if you want a raise or promotion you need to change jobs. In the late 1990s and early 2000s I would regularly get 20% ~ 25% increases in salary when changing jobs. The most I ever got when staying with the same company was 3%.

[@ouroborosrecords]

I've been living this for the last 4 years. I spent 19 years working for the same company, slowly pecking away at the corporate ladder thinking that's the way it's done. I slowly realised that it's the slow way to increase your wage. Since 2017 I've changed companies 3 times, and grown my salary by 60% in doing so. I had an employee in 2020 that thought that way too, and when I said he needed to focus on working for another business every 2-3 years he couldn't comprehend it, and didn't understand that loyalty is worthless. Eventually he came around, and left that business 6 months after I left, increasing his salary by 45% with just that one change. You'll always get a better bay bump changing companies vs waiting for an annual increase.

[@qwertyuioppoiqwe]

Companies never gave a shit about people. It's always been about the bottom line. That's why you work for yourself.

[@ahmadashraf9448]

Company do 'care' about loyalty. They always use it to guilt employees into obedience. Of course they will discard people at their own whim. It's just another tool.

[@gorgefood9867]

Lol, it's an abusive relationship where they gaslight you into staying with them. It's all "We're a family." until you get fired without notice.

[@E4439Qv5]

But _I'm_ supposed to give a two-week's notice if I plan to leave. 😐😑😐

[@tedwolf1716]

How accurate. Although, as I've aged, I've been less willing to take garbage or work longer hours. I work so I can have a home life, I no longer work for the sake of work. I did work 22 years for a company before being laid off with 3 weeks of severance. That's the company being disloyal to me.

[@BAIGAMING]

I have a chemical engineering degree and all there is is dangerous laboratory jobs paying $10/hr, now $15/hr since Canada increased minimum wage, it's horrible out there and there's always 300+ people applying for new positions within 24hrs. Canada is really bad because people do not fight for more, you'll see the same job paying $50k CAD that will pay $80k USD annually. You should always fight for more and you should make your own business.

[@MarinelliBrosPodcast]

As a Canadian I can confirm, we accept to much.

[@samzhang486]

As a fellow Canadian I agree. On top reason is Canadians are not as entrepreneurs as Americans ! We tend to accept a job because it is easier than starting a new start up or get a good franchise. Sad ,,, I just started a new business. Looking for partners! Not looking for a job seeker!

[@devilsadvocate6098]

Perhaps benefits matter as well? Dentals, insurance

[@sumralltt]

Good luck with making your own business since 80% fail within the first 5 years.

[@sumralltt]

@Iron Ostrich Jesus said you will be hated because of me. I was not promoted because I didn't fit - In other words I would not lie for the company and that was a job killer!

[@danpatterson8009]

I hired in to IBM around 1990, at the tail end of the "golden age" of company perks. Much of the staff was composed of "lifers" who had spent their entire careers there, with no motivation to work elsewhere because of a truly luxurious benefits package. The scale and depth of operations were impressive, but the culture was tainted with incompetence, complacency, cronyism, and waste. My last employer was a silicon valley startup staffed mostly with young people, with moderate but significant turnover. This resulted in a few cases where the bright bunnies who pitched new processes and established commitments (things that would look very impressive on a resume) managed to be somewhere else when their plans met the realities of implementation. When a candidate's resume showed two years here, nine months there, another year here, I had to wonder whether that person could really be relied on. So it cuts both ways.

[@briang.7206]

AT&T started cutting jobs in the 80's so we were all expected to do more. My favourite cartoon Dibert is written by a former co worker.

[@nibblernibbles3205]

As an employer, seeing a pattern like this in a resume puts me off. The labour market is full of people who jumped before they were pushed, and are effectively running away from the bad smell they leave behind. If the people hiring them also intend to move on, then they won't even care, and will hire them anyway.

[@verybarebones]

@@nibblernibbles3205 so youre prejudiced against young people not being given opportunities? So rational of you.

[@stainlesssteellemming3885]

​@@verybarebones "so youre prejudiced against young people not being given opportunities? So rational of you." That's not what they said. They said a pattern of short tenure jobs in a resume is a red flag. The age of the applicant is mostly irrelevant (yes, a new grad may have made a series of bad career choices, so it's not completely irrelevant). However, as a hiring manager, my priority is to fill a position with the right person. If that gives a young person a new opportunity, that's a bonus - but it's never a selection criteria.

[@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx]

@@stainlesssteellemming3885 ok however the argument I would counter that w is: was their any room for true growth and not just slapping on a new title on a person? If you watch Joshua Fluke, he says some companies will keep you at the same position doing the same thing for years and not give you any new title, new bonus, eh potentially teach you a new skill or two, but they hired you for that role and they basically plan on having you there until theres like no else to look and even then, they'll most likely throw new job tasks onto you and make you work extra w.o any incentive cor compensation. As someone that went from customer service (retail, ff restaurant)I shifted into labour work and aside being a general laborer or like a day/night staff order picker..theres never really growth since you're mostly competing w older people doing..the same job. However you can "change" your title depending on how you meet and fill the requirements and then "lie"on your resume. So as a general laborer, I "shifted" to Inventory Management >Food Quality control :), and as someone getting into tech, I got an offer to be a QAC advisor for an electronics company (helps that I also taught myself some programming like sQL, Python)and hope to be a data analyst in the future :D some play the game fairly and wait their turn, others cheat to pass go quicker to collect 200

[@GODtheSniper]

I work at a Big 4, currently over here watching this at 10pm while working. True to it, staff turnover is more around 40% in 2 years. Video is also spot on about outside hires. Most of Senior Management is hired from competitors.

[@grimview]

Thanks you so much. Can you run a report to see how long people in similar consulting roles stay? I'd like the report grouped by number of resources that stayed for 3-6 months, 6-9 months, 9-24 months & greater then 24 months. Just the totals for each group would be enough for my research. Also thoughts on how soon after the seasonal project ends, does a big 4 temp agency fire those expensive resources?

[@loveandparty4118]

I remember this company I worked for where there was constant overtime with no extra pay... People were getting sick and going absent all the time, it was insane... The company didn't care and with each training session they required even more work with no extra pay.

[@connorhopkins4901]

As someone going into a big 4 grad role this is 100% the truth. Everyone’s plan is to do the ca at big 4 and leave after 3 years to the banks who will pay double your salary(aus) and the firms get to abuse a bunch of highly motivated grads for almost no cost.

[@HowMoneyWorks]

The system works! Good luck my friend, I may sounds cynical but it is a great start to a career (so long as you follow that plan)

[@Coolsomeone234]

Or get stuck waiting to get promoted

[@Eisbeer1984]

Or not becoming hired later on because the banks have to cut costs due to business disruption.

[@sargepent9815]

Very true. Many employers don't give a damn about loyalty. Some small, family owned businesses this isn't true, but most mid-sized to larger companies absolutely follow this model. The beginning this was when companies no longer invested into their employee's retirement and almost no companies offer an employer pension program.

[@Tomatenmark13579]

The sole purpose of a company is to maximize profit for sharehodlers. Companies never actually cared about being loyal, they just had to treat workers better a few decades ago because union membership was much higher than today.

[@andersnielsen6044]

20% pension program is mandatory here in my country.. Most have much better rate, some even 100% ;)

[@SpaceTimeTurtle]

Last year someone I worked with retired after 63 years at the same company. He already had 25 and 50 year gold watches. This guy was super knowledgeable and sweet. He wasn't replaced and a mountain of information walked out the door....

[@briang.7206]

Its sad I was lucky to be trained by an old timer with 30 years experience. A very skilled person who took pride I their work.

[@davidcave5426]

From my experience, this has been going on since the 1980s. I personally experienced this several times. And sometimes, getting let go has nothing to do with finances, but personal issues.

[@zombieshoot4318]

Learned this a long time ago. Companies do not have loyalty to employees. You're a number on a spreadsheet and will be erased any moment the company fills like erasing you. That's it. You need to understand this and be ready for it. Don't get mad about it. Just accept it and take care of yourself.

[@pranavagrawal9382]

That example about deloite hits really close to home, my brother was hired by deloite after graduating with computer science degree and they overworked him so much he had a mental breakdown(there were some other complications as well) he left the company after a year and is doing MBA now

[@bahaatamer1245]

What does your brother expect to earn from a master's degree? He's gonna get into an even worse job, higher demands, with even more responsibilities, for a slight increase in his salary (I'm gonna bet that it won't be worth the hassle and money spent on the course!), and he will hate his life even more. Your brother needs experience with life overall before he can decide if he wants a master's degree or not. In the end, it's his decision.

[@LJinx3]

Deloitte are shite. They only value people that can sell, so what you get is management stuffed full of ludicrous expectations and bullies.

[@RD19902010]

If you don't know how to say no you are part of the issue

[@StarContract]

What I learned after 12 years in software development: 1) the only thing that should matter to you with regards to your company is how much they give vs how much they take 2) Saving money is the surest way to economic freedom 3) Never do more than what you get paid for / required. You'll set an unfair bar for yourself and other colleagues. 4) If you can solve a problem in 20 minutes and the average team member would spend 4 hours on it, you just worked 4 hours. You're in this position because you acquired skills. Some doctors get paid 10k for operations that take literally minutes. 5) don't ask for a raise, apply for a different job. 6) There's no such thing as job security, but your skills and your ability to learn and adapt. You gain confidence by gaining knowledge (knowledge = power). 7) You are no more replaceable than your employer. Don't let the asymmetry fool you. 8) NEVER tolerate management rolling responsibility / blame for screw ups on you, even if it means threatening resignation. 9) Learn a unique technology that nobody knows, and implement a crucial feature / tool using it. If you get fired, you leave a fire behind you (which is a good thing).

[@ffyrestarr]

Agree with all apart from 9. That can blow Up in your face especially if you are in a niche industry like me - very incestuous, anyone with experience will likely know anyone else! - so don't want to antagonise someone I may end up working with...or for...in future. Always leave with a smile even if you'd rather burn down the office.

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@ffyrestarr same here - employers are dicks but theres no need to be a dick also...what will happen is that some grunt will have to sort things out rather than high level management

[@markd6838]

Was paid very average wage for my industry in my last job so only worked at about 30 to 35 % productively, you get what you pay for.

[@rokyericksonroks]

Remind me not to hire you, you’re a stealth samurai who can take me down whenever the impulse to do so arises. How much value are you really creating?

[@StarContract]

@@rokyericksonroks OK Boomer

[@josephkrupp7430]

I had a supervisor said anyone could do my job, but no one that I worked with wanted to do it. I have been retired 6 years and 7 people had been in and out of that position because it was demanding. He was right anyone could do it but no one wanted to stay in it.

[@EmperorSigismund]

Where I used to work within 3 years we went through 4 safety officers. Clearly HR thought the position was replacable. It was also clear that it was a shit position and nobody wanted to stay there.

[@Murgledoo]

This definitely isn’t what I should of watched Monday morning before work

[@allyshah90]

hahahah

[@TheRegularGamer]

Or maybe it's exactly what you needed to see, gotta know the game to play it efficiently.

[@alexanderfretheim5720]

Yeah probably not a good call.

[@joshnabours9102]

This actually explains a lot of why companies always hire from outside even when they have internal applicants that are basically already doing the job they applied for internally already. It explains why companies will put you on leave or just fire you on the spot rather than having you train your successor in a highly technical role after you give 2 weeks to 3 months of notice. Even when it costs the company multiple tens of thousands to millions as a result of your role going unfilled or inadequately fulfilled. It also explains why employers ghosting applicants has become a thing and why a 2 week notice is no longer what it once was. Based on this, now a 2 week notice should only be done as a show of respect towards your co-workers and bosses. (Realistically, it is mainly a show of respect towards your bosses as you can say bye to your co-workers in advance.)

[@Ruiseal]

I still have not had my first job yet, why would you not give 2 weeks notice? don't you want to have a decent relationship with your former employer so that when you put on your cv experience and references they give you a green light?

[@rossmatney226]

Many employers will tell you to leave after you put in for 2 weeks, to avoid potential poisoning of the well, sabotage, and to give you the finger.

[@OP_-pk9hm]

@@Ruiseal There are companies and CEOs who deserve to not get 2 week notices. These are people who know why you are leaving and will not stop you. If you want a reference, just ask one of your co workers to use a different title like "Manager" and speak well about you since most likely, you were really kind to them. A CEO or person you dislike would not even speak for you on a reference.

[@Sashazur]

Big corporations have had a policy for a long time to not tell anyone anything about ex employees except what their position was and when they worked there. Unofficially your managers or co workers might still talk to a prospective employer if you give them as your reference, but they probably aren’t supposed to.

[@harrywilliamson7043]

The US military has had to deal with the problem of leadership turnover for decades, if not centuries. They have no option but to promote from within. They manage it by making a core part of a leaders job the task of preparing thier subordinates to move up and take over, on very short notice if necessary. Takes a lot of effort and resources, but significantly cuts down any transition issues.

[@Locusthorde3000]

Turnover in the military is high because most new troops are there to get job training and/or "free college" and have no goal to stay in past their four years. We got told by multiple SNCOs that "we dont want you" in reference to the people who join just for college then leave.

[@harrywilliamson7043]

@@Locusthorde3000 ehh...not quite. The military has a hard "up or out" policy. Officers have to continue to get promoted or are forced out. NCO's have a similar system, how long you are allowed to stay I'd based on your rank. You can't even get to retirement unless you reach E-6. Those just in for training don't usually even make it to NCO. They are not really a factor in leadership turnover.

[@sp123]

Harry, that makes perfect sense as you don’t want some one to leave and expose high end military secrets

[@sumralltt]

The problem with the system is that it is a good old boy system - If you don't have a sponsor then you are going promoted into the upper ranks.

[@harrywilliamson7043]

@@sumralltt err...not really. Decisions to promote are never solely or even mostly in the hands of Sr. Officers. And mentoring is a considered a key part of leadership in the service all the way down to E-5's

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

I worked for a lumber mill around 20 years ago who called us in to brag one day about the fact they were outsourcing our jobs to New Zealand and how great it was that they were going to save so much money. We had to stand there for almost 2 hours and hear about it. But of course they promised we'd get displaced millworkers compensation, unemployment, and offers to work at other plants. All of which they denied later. They got so pissed at me because i'd found another job within days and quit without giving them a two week notice. I was a specialist within the plant and they fully expected me to stay the remaining 3 months until the plant closed, they even threatened to give me a bad reference if i didn't. It was one of my first jobs and i quickly realized that all companied look at people the same way they look at toilet paper, when they're sitting there covered in crap you're worth more then gold but the second they get some use out of you they can't get rid of you quick enough.

[@Flotsam7jetsam]

At the hospital where I work in I/T, when senior tech folks leave it often hits hard. They leave with 5-25 years knowledge you just can't get back. BUT management seems to thrive on putting out fires and making themselves seem overly important. I'd say these last two decades have been decades of lost leadership and poor management--and workers have been paying the price by staying unfortunately.

[@rokyericksonroks]

Yep, you have to leave when that happens or else endure an avalanche of bullshit coming downhill towards you.

[@ssgus3682]

I work in IT in a junior role and I am trying to learn as much as I can from the two senior IT techs I work with who are getting ready to retire. You learn only so much about IT in school and from studying for certs.

[@zmdeadelius]

1:56 "until you are a hundred years old" gee, your optimism surprises me ^ ^

[@HowMoneyWorks]

Abandon all hope yee who watch vids here.

[@zmdeadelius]

@@HowMoneyWorks Hear yee, hear yee! btw I actually meant that most people won't get to live to a 100. So, no sarcasm there.

[@alphacentauri1760]

@@zmdeadelius Back in the good old days people die from their work at the age of 12-18. They call it “retirement”.

[@Thalanox]

@@alphacentauri1760 There is a point where you can exaggerate what you want to say so much that you've lost the message. I think you might have passed it. In the middle ages, workers regularly lived to 40 or 60. Probably even older. That's when the invention of glasses got to be a major benefit, since you effectively doubled the working lifetime of a master craftsman. The ridiculously low "average ages" for people back in the old old days looks so low at least in part because it includes the very high infant and childhood mortality rate that was standard at the time.

[@daviddavid5880]

Nice vid. I perfectly remember an ahole manager asking me if the rumors of my quitting were true. ("Were you planning on giving me 2weeks notice?", "Would you have given me 2weeks notice if you fired me?", "No", "Well that pretty much sums up our relationship in a nutshell doesn't it") It was a good day.

[@lakecomo9721]

At the 5:55 timeline- where they start discussing the old way of promoting others up as roles became available versus the new way of hiring outsiders....is probably the major factor in my mind that no one can have a 'career' anymore. When I started a long time ago, there was great freedom in large companies to cross-train into other roles and opportunities to move up. No more. And this now hurts people's careers and life long earnings. Such a shame.

[@crawkn]

Sure, "that's just the way it is" resignation may be practical advice, but the simple fact is that every relationship being transactional introduces a lot of inefficiency. Longer-term business relationships based on mutual benefit are more efficient because they smooth transitions and increase knowledge and predictability. For example, allowing that there will be short-term adjustments due to promotion chain reactions, the newly promoted people will know the company culture, have established relationships, and feel appreciated. "Jumping between ladders" cannot compete with generalized experience with one employer for overall situational competence.

[@ameenabdullah3712]

Most jobs are taken in by internal hiring and referral system . But in some cases your growth might get stagnant if you do not transfer.

[@crawkn]

@@ameenabdullah3712 Agreed.

[@mezzodoppio58]

True. I think the problem is that that kind of inefficiency, as well as the productivity improvement of long-term relationships are very hard to quantify. It's easy to put a number on how much you're saving by onboarding new grads and laying off veteran workers, but it's hard to put a price tag on good corporate culture and practice. Much easier to justify, especially in the boardroom, the new measure that will guarantee x% returns by y quarter over tried-and-true practice largely based on qualitative experience. All it takes is one guy at the meeting to bring up the new "innovative" cost-cutting measures your competitor is doing to torpedo any talk in favor of proven practices, while no one questions "objective" data on overhead.

[@somecuriosities]

@@mezzodoppio58 This. Dang neoliberal economic thinking - reductive to the point of inefficient. Can't easily measure it by a financial chart? Must not matter then

[@JAN0L]

On the other hand the exchange of experiences and best practices between companies by constant flow of employees between them and the flexibility of changing your employee structure easily does bring it's own efficiencies. It's not a trivial problem.

[@YusufGinnah]

_The day you realize that..._ No matter how loyal you are, a Company will _always_ be a non-living entity devoid of emotion, that would throw you under the bus at the first opportunity of improving it's bottom line or whiff you maybe redundant or deadwood _...will be the day you'd realize that you only should have loyalty to and look out for _*_Number ONE_* 😎👍🏼

[@johnfoltz8183]

And you can be easily replaced at a company and quickly forgotten afterwards

[@djstocks]

Broken corporate ladders Ie: The stratification of the workforce into separate classes that you can not jump. If you are a bottom-tier worker the only chance you have to move up is to switch companies and hope they won't figure out you're in the proletariat.