Why Is D͏i͏a͏b͏l͏o͏ 4͏ SO BAD?! | Asmongold Reacts to The Act Man

Diablo 4 is Blizzard's best selling game. But that doesn't mean it's good. Here's why
by @TheActMan • Why Is Diablo 4 SO BAD?!
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[@NetherwindGames]

The one thing I feel like Asmon gets wrong often is understanding what the "casual" gamer wants, because he isn't one. I'm an extremely casual gamer nowadays, usually only playing a couple times per week. This doesn't mean I want all these systems in place to make the game easier and more accessible. I don't care if I progress much slower than I did when I had more free time, I still want a sense of progression. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but it's just how I personally feel.

[@nine9_abyss]

You get the sense of progression with your gear/aspects/skills and then the paragon board. Being overleveled for content is really bad. Like if you lock regions to certain levels then parts of the map would be dead as soon as you get ahead of them.

[@nom6758]

Its the fact he doesnt understand, refuses to understand, and considered things he doesnt understand as stupid or wrong because he has a god complex with regards to his understanding of things.

[@nom6758]

@@nine9_abyss No you dont, you get worthless stats that maybe lead to a marginal "damage increase" that changes absolutely nothing about your playstyle or relative damage output due to scaling enemies. Being at-leveled for ALL content is far worse than being over-leveled for "some" content.

[@omarrich8546]

@@nine9_abyss sense of progression from paragon levels?? 90% of paragon levels are worthless

[@KingTUMMAN]

You are not casual You a gamer that playing the game Causally. A Casual player that Asmon mention many time is like a Game journalist level.

[@h13n12]

i think the point he was making about the level scaling was that people want to feel rewarded for the effort they put in and the level scaling system hampers that. at lv 2 you you might struggle against a lv 10 mob but after putting in effort you would get stronger and would absolutely destroy a lv 10 mob, that gives you a sense of accomplishment that you aren't going to have if the enemies are always at your level.

[@JustFeral]

I'm not sure how he didn't understand this.

[@h13n12]

@@KZbinDweller8008 that's a stupid comment and has 0 explanation given. "people want high rewards for low or no effort." at least explain why you said this.

[@Otacon2099]

@@JustFeral im not sure what you mean by this he spoke his own point eloquently enough

[@kyler247]

​@@h13n12they're not very bright

[@carlosmartinez3020]

@@h13n12self explanatory I understood that well, maybe your comprehension skills are not what they supposed to be ?

[@1Patrick]

Skyrim and Breath of the Wild do scaling correctly. As you play the game you encounter stronger and stronger enemies to keep the game challenging, but there's also a lot of enemies who don't scale at all so you can see your character becoming stronger and stronger and get that satisfaction.

[@johncarlson5636]

It's also a single player game; so it's much easier to do. That's not really a fair comparison

[@Purpless_ON]

Personally I didn't have this issue, of course I'm a gaming masochist, I went into world tier 4 at level 58, I ran the level 70 capstone dungeon solo and it took me 3 hours to beat it after planning, theory crafting and finding new ways to fight the mobs. Studying Elias attack pattern and dodging everything or dying. It was the most fun I've had in D4 it felt like a real raid.

[@andra5979]

The design of those games aren’t built for end game though, where an ARPG is. The fun is in leveling your character and progressing through the story, the fun in D4 is character building in the endgame and finding gear drops that are hard to find.

[@JoshDragRace0688]

@@johncarlson5636 Diablo 4 for the vast majority of people is a single player game also...

[@tatakillers4944]

@@johncarlson5636 devil also for a player hahaha only for a group to raise exp it's tremendous garbage don't compare the best zelda with the most difficult bosses and materials shame on that devil for so many years and he's still bad at copying and pasting lost ark and genshin impact BLIZZARD MAN NO SHAME!

[@Seanidor]

So Diablo 3 has level scaling too but it doesn't feel as bad as D4 because the gear that drops properly scales with your level, item requirement and item level are basically tied together. When my friends were playing D4 they actually started to hate leveling up because they could feel themselves getting weaker, not stronger. Itemization was poorly done.

[@n0lat]

My friend was pretty pwerful though, he was on wirld tier 4 and beatjng enemies almost 10 level ahead lf him, does that make it easy, or did he make the right build

[@pogtuber5146]

@@n0lat he probably built vulnerability?

[@jamieclarke2694]

​@@n0latOr was it a broken build on a broken class? Was he the sorcerer?

[@RAC00NFANGIRL]

@@jamieclarke2694dude that class isn’t OP

[@georgiynikitenko7600]

Diablo 3 didn't even have scaling at the start, it was "beat game 3 times to get to max level and welcome to torment act 1 where 58th level gear drops with your lvl 60 max level character".

[@bleu_bird]

i never felt like my character got stronger, sometimes i even felt as if leveling up made my character weaker

[@ODSTWhiteout]

The game with lvl scaling made it if you pick bad skills you get blown up. That’s why you felt like you got weaker

[@boohoow]

Agree.

[@filthcauldron2441]

skill issue

[@RAC00NFANGIRL]

@@ODSTWhiteoutbingo! I play necromancer and mage I literally went through dungeons with zero problems I felt stronger than I did at level 1! Heck I died couple times with my rogue and my Druid! But I knew I took on too much! Seriously it’s your fault feel weak choose bad gear or don’t pay attention to what your making.

[@NTJedi]

Because the game areas constantly matches your level... there's no feeling of becoming stronger. You are on a hamster wheel just going in circles, but not going anywhere.

[@bh6066]

I don't agree with asmons take here at all.. Yes you wouldn't naturally go back to early stages if the challenge isn't there but it does show how far you've come in terms of power. The same happens in the harder zones too.. If you've made really good effeciencies in character building and affix choices in terms of gear, you'd make the harder zones look easy.. With level scaling though you wouldn't feel this as the mobs will just stay at your strength.. For those who find it difficult they can't even go away and level up a bit to progress further so there is no sense of skill. No sense of progression. I still like the game but this is a noticeable issue.

[@sh0ker]

D4 works in a way that you have to come back to eariler zones to for renown and stuff. imagine you are level 70+ and you only able to play in one area of the entire map because the other areas are under leveled

[@terrible1fi]

@@sh0kerexactly. I don’t understand how these people don’t see that they’re arguing for having only a tiny end game zone to play in 😅

[@DarkepyonX]

D4 leveling you get best xp rate being within few levels of target monsters

[@wiltheavatar]

people seem to forget if u go down in world tiers, the mobs stop scaling with you, t3 caps out at like what 70?

[@RedrickURL]

@@terrible1fithat seems like bad game design to have so little endgame content lol. Yet another negative.

[@josephbrodeur6956]

He makes some good point about the world leveling up as you do. Take Final Fantasy for exemple, you sometime find a boss that is just too hard for you to beat. What do you do ? You grind out power so you can eventually beat that road block. Then, you keep progressing until the next road block. In other words, you have a genuine feeling of progression both storywise and powerwise. In Diablo IV, there are NO road block other than Capstone Dungeons to change world tier. Everything is always scaling up to your level, which removes the feeling of becoming stronger and stronger. At this point, it's just bigger numbers on the screen without the feeling stronger behind them.

[@bigimportantman1544]

This is actually incorrect. Each zone’s enemies start 5-10 levels higher than the previous zone & only scale up to your level if you’re over-leveled for it. The problem is that it’s too easy to over-level… but fast XP is what most players asked for.

[@owlperformance2147]

Get better gear, and you're stronger. Starting at lvl 25 I got stronger and stronger because of legendary aspects and gear. I just destroyed the capstone dungeon for tier 3. The more I played the stronger I got. I don.t get this issue at all...

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

​@@owlperformance2147you got lucky, half of the players DONT get the legendaries so they get weaker not stronger

[@triploshadow]

@@jtowensbyiii6018 Bro there is literally a gigantic codex of power that allows you to get the basic version of a legendary power, not all builds can be made using the codex sure but it has some of the most build defining aspects on it, twisting blades rogue and ice shards sorc can all get their main power from the codex.

[@owlperformance2147]

@@jtowensbyiii6018 well they can just get some aspects in dungeon, it's what i did also

[@Thugblader92]

>level 1, killing boars for some meat for the village; everything feels reasonable >level 70, killing demons of the burning legion for the sake of the world; everything feels reasonable >level 70, take a trip to the beginner village, kill some boars for the heck of it; turns out these boars are contemporaries with the interstellar demons Now, either immersion breaks down entirely, or the boars require some damn heavy quests to carry their "demigods equal"-level of power.

[@Laceon1]

This is the best analogy against level scaling I've heard so far. I agree 100% when I see level scaling in a game, I think that the developers are either being lazy or stretching assets. There's definitely games that did it well. But, It's up there as one of my hated design choices.

[@OscarASevilla]

What's funny is that In the beginning, I was taking my time to do the side quests. Then I found out I'd have to do it all over again every season, and I grinded them as fast as I could just to get it over with, not even caring about the story or immersed in it anymore lol.

[@HITJAZZ17]

You don’t though?

[@syressx9098]

@@HITJAZZ17 He did tho?

[@Johnnybsknees]

I didn't concern myself with what other people were saying and just did a lot of side quests along the way. No rushing to finish the story, I wanted to enjoy the world and the side quests were actually really well done and fleshed out the world. Found myself being engaged with what I was doing. I hate that so many are probably never going to get that experience and I get why, they are tied to a grindy way to get necessary renown. But I really hate that so many people will never get to actually enjoy these quests and what they brought to building out the world. It's almost a no win situation, though. They could make the side quests absolutely phenomenal and most people would still just skip dialogue and rush through because many arpg players will simply always see these things as means to an end and evaluate them along those lines.

[@Johanthegnarler]

​@@Johnnybskneessome of the side quests are really good. But I never want to do them again. Campaign was awesome story wise, but never want to do it again lol.

[@Johnnybsknees]

@@Johanthegnarler yep, i wish for seasons maybe they would add solid rewards for side quests or make something like nightmare side quests that are more challenging. They are some of the best content in the game but replaying them for some crafting mats and renown only is never going to feel good.

[@steamavila1818]

I'm currently playing Elden Ring, new player, some boss at the start was so difficult to dealt with, now that I got better gear and got a bit better at avoiding attacks, went back and kicked his ass, that felt so good! that's something you will never feel with a game with scaling.

[@nine9_abyss]

Totally different genre. Never played an ARPG before huh.

[@ThePalo48]

@@nine9_abyss A"RPG", I rest my case. An ARPG is still an RPG. You are building a character up from a lvl 1 piece of shit to a living god. You need to feel like it.

[@nine9_abyss]

@@ThePalo48 but you do feel like a god. I felt it at lvl 75 on wt4 content. I dunno wth you're saying. Also just because it has RPG doesn't make it the same wtf? It may still have lvl 1 to whatever but the gameplay can be vastly different. Like the witcher 3 is an rpg but is it the same as diablo?! What about mass effect? Same aswell?? Even the examples act man totally missed. like elden ring? Divinity 2? Wow? Rpg is such a big fckin genre now so you're totally wrong. I would accept it if you compare it to PoE, Lost ark or last epoch hell even torchlight.

[@anthonygomez3915]

@@nine9_abyssactman definitely emphasized challenge and accomplishment from overcoming challenges in a created world where some places are open but close to impossible due to being weak at the moment. That’s why elden ring is a relevant example despite being a different game overall. And that you shouldn’t have to wait 40+ hours to feel the challenge of higher level enemies and incentive to improve build and gear. And if they wanted to stick with level scaling they have now, then why have an open world in the first place? Level scaling would do much better in a more linear world where all the content is packed into a relatively set path. It’s more about Blizzard having mechanics if the game contradict themselves rather than the mechanics being trash alone imo.

[@MoonlitMarch]

Unless the game scales every single stat of mobs rather than just level, you can easily have that experience with scaling as well. Bosses not being difficult is not a scaling problem, it's a game design problem.

[@alexhess1163]

For me, the level scaling doesn't really take away choice. It takes away immersion. A world that conforms to your character's level seems like a false experience - even if the difficulty isn't really affected.

[@doctorbleh4110]

I think what act man is saying about taking away choice is more a matter of difficulty. If the game is too hard then you do more side dungeons to level up to make it easier. If it is too easy do less or no side dungeons and just push the main story so the game levels back up to match and challenge you. If the game always scales with you, and you cannot change the difficulty or at least not increase it, then the game will remain too easy. You no longer have a choice too make it harder.

[@jamesknapp64]

​@@doctorbleh4110that is the basic problem problem here. Also the reward you feel when you went to a harder area that you couldn't beat before is often so much.

[@WarbossFraka]

Level scaling is actually more immersive for me, the horde of goblins will always be dangerous to a single person no matter how powerful if they surround them or ambush them. No matter how strong you are, you can always die to things. You can obviously take on more goblins than you did at level five, because your gear/skills/abilities still make you more powerful. I also think level scaling should never go down, if you wonder an Ogre at level 1, you should be smashed and eaten by said Ogre.

[@foobarious1357]

By asmongolds logic they should just remove levels altogether cause its pointless just integrate getting more talent points into campaign quests. You need to finish the campaign! Whats the point of leveling? Just integrate paragons and everything you get from leveling into challenges and quests.

[@honzaspinar6010]

​@@WarbossFrakawell the problem here is that imagine this scenario I am a level 75 warrior who just defeted a dragon that could burn an entire town to ashes lore wise and as I am returning to the town for my bounty I encounter a group of goblins that are coincedentaly all level 75 because level sacling, so this group of goblins are strong enough to go kill that dragon but they are just wandering around the starter viliage and nobody finds a problem with this. And if I go and level up another 10 levels and become level 85 all random monsters in this world will randomly become stronger than that dragon that instantly ruins immersion and any sort of acomplishment that I could feel as a level 85 dragon slayer because I still have problem beating wolves in the forest

[@omnicoeur]

In other ARPGs, if the monsters you encounter at some point of your playthrough are too strong for your character, you can always backtrack and farm levels and gear. But because of level scaling, if you didn't gear appopriately, you're fucked. Even if you respec your skills, it doesn't necessarily solve the problem, because your new skills might not benefit from the affixes on your gear.

[@boohoow]

Spot on. And not having that, removes any sense of accomplishment.

[@BWMagus]

Right. And Blizzard is at least smart enough to recognize how terrible that is, so their solution is to balance the scaling so that it's always easy. It's extremely difficult to get it "just right" and not screw over a fair number of players, so most games with scaling end up making it piss easy (or something like Oblivion, where it can be stupid-easy or ball-bustingly difficult depending on if you level up "correctly").

[@byzantinerts6660]

Does Asmongold not realize you can just go back to A1 😅

[@kyledavies5731]

Other than the Butcher randomly spawning and kicking my ass I can't remember anytime that enemies were a problem, maybe my character choice playing a part as the Necromancer just seems OP.

[@Shiirow]

the complexity of a story or simplicity of the story boils down to the skill of the writer or writers involved. when you have Wattpad writers with aspirations of being Tolkien... you run into narrative issues because their scope outstrips their talent.

[@Phasma6969]

lmao sheeeeesh

[@sleepychitlins]

DANG!!!!!! 🤣

[@euqinemor]

Yeah, on most old works you see that most of those guys had some phd lvls of skills and even some of the modern ones do have phd working on them, Simspsons used to have but once they cut those guys off the show, it went downhill in less than 3 seasons. House and Breaking bad had too and most of the fictional shit was to either lighten something in a good way or straight up to not to teach the public how to make drugs or think they could self medicate without a professional's help. Hell even the Berserk manga had it's creator graduate with a phd in arts.

[@bat__bat]

Don't forget the story has to be censored and watered down now because of the expected audience. And I'll bet any money the writers were obligated to follow some diversity protocol for characters. Must have female protagonist. Must have important character of color. Must not discuss these ideas/religions. Back in Diablo 1 days I remember it was a big deal to have the TEEN rating for violence and gore. The stories didn't hold back.

[@awildmoose6541]

​@@bat__batman it didnt take long to find the alt right conspiracy theorist nutjob seek help

[@chaosdark4123]

Its not boring in Diablo 2 to run through the game. The bosses and acts are made sufficiently hard so that when you beat them it actually feels like an accomplishment. I don't think I felt any accomplishment in killing any boss outside of capstone dungeons.

[@TetsuRiken]

They only get kinda boring at the end game grind and the trash mobs become the real bosses at that point but that's when you are farming not getting to the end

[@lov3masterns]

@@TetsuRiken True... Doing runs in D2 only makes it boring if you are hardcore Grail finder, lvl 99 grinder or minmaxer. Also terror zones help a lot nowadays with even some of those scenarios and also to keep game somewhat fresh and interesting and not let it be mandatory to farm a specific zone/boss endlessly until your eyes pop out just because it's meta or just because it has the biggest drop chance or just because it gives you the best exp to clearing speed ratio. I personally don't do runs and I for sure don't play D2R daily like a madman and I'm still having a ton of fun just playing it my own way, at my own pace, trying out different builds and hybrids and just experimenting and crafting and helping other players and whatnot and I enjoy it greatly! It's such a legendary game that you actually *can* just play it for the sake of playing it and have fun with whatever.

[@brandonprice119]

As a pretty "hardcore" d2 player its just a better designed game normal is very easy but requires you to pay attention (as long as you arent a skelemancer lol) nightmare starts the real game and hell ssf is actually very challenging but doable if you understand the game. I got to lvl 80 in d4 preseason and quit because my power level went down with better items 15 levels later. Edit also if asmon played d2 completley blind and not a fire build i dont believe he effortlessy rolled andy unless he was super overleveled. Looking up the fight/ or being told and beating it doesnt mean much lol

[@HyperShadow991]

@@lov3masterns try project diablo 2 then it has easier endgame farming with new uber bosses you can choose to face that are legit hard, plus they use a maps system as means for farming rather than just baal or chaos runs and no 2 runs of the same map actually go the same way like 1 run can have hell bovines but next run have fetishes instead

[@anthonykarnes6804]

I was playing d2 the other day and wondered why it slapped so much more than 4

[@youtubethinksidontexist533]

I disagree with your take on level scaling because it feels like an easy fix for a problem they have with making a section of an area a good challenge on their own because you just slap whatever you want in an area without worrying about if it's unfair or not since the code you wrote will make any enemy scaled to you. There's another issue with scaling in that you don't feel like you're rewarded for the grind you do before certain areas in the game

[@youtubethinksidontexist533]

Your argument about us being the minority of people who are dieharding the game convinced me

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@youtubethinksidontexist533 npc

[@youtubethinksidontexist533]

@@thoticcusprime9309 he had a valid point

[@retro6652]

I have to agree with Act Man. I've 100% everything except all the dungeons and I'm bored and really don't have much interest in WT3 or beyond. I MIGHT try a new character class, but I'm really not that hyped about it.

[@captiosus9753]

Legitimately where I'm at as well. I'm going to play a new class in S1 simply because I was a dumbass and bought the Ultimate Edition so I have the premium pass plus 20 or 25 level skips... but I'm not feeling replaying D4 endlessly. D3 might have been cartoony as hell but at least I *wanted* to play every character class. Not feeling that here. Played Druid and Sorc, both into the 70s, will play a Necro in S1 and then bow out for a while. If I want to play a game where it's "number arrows go up, here's lots of mobs at once, slaughter them all", I'll go back to playing my D3 characters who have been doing that exact grind for years. And I don't even need to be online to do it (console version).

[@rockyino99]

have fun playing season 1 where u get to play all ur favorite repetitive content ALL OVER AGAIN!!!! YIPEEEE

[@YoitsDro]

you cant "100%" everything without going to atleast wt3 tho? you didnt even get sacred drops, do helltides or even nightmare dungeons??

[@zachdurden1821]

@@captiosus9753 played like 10 demon hunters in d3. Was so much fun for me for some reason. also tried monk and sorc. But here I play rouge once to level 75 and dont even want to start the season not even to try any new class.

[@Dajones9191]

You're like me a couple months ago. I just gave up on multiplayer games and focused on single player exploration and adventure games. Far cry 3, 4, 5, new dawn and 6 have me so immersed. And on top of that im playing skyrim and fable 1. All those games are amazing. And well made. With no multiplayer pvp zones, constant grinds, currencys, stress etc... its just a slow, decent few games that keep me going and are actually enjoyable.

[@stvm]

Even in diablo 2, you did quests for a lot of the vendors. Gheed helped you move from act 2 to 3. You helped Charsi get her hammer back. You got Alkor's potion back. Ormus explained the legend of Khalim's flail. You saved Anya. You rescued Larzuk's friends so he'll give you a socket. Agreed, all the extra NPCs in modern open world games are superfluous. Cut it down, everything gets more memorable.

[@Ronbotnik]

Crazy that Meshif, a damn near nobody that just took you from Act 2 to Act 3 in Diablo 2, is more memorable than anyone or anything in Diablo 4.

[@riokolza1782]

For me the thing is, I REMEMBER all those vendors, lol. They were likeable, had their own lil stories. In D4 Ill be damned if I can remember the name of "Vendor guy standing in the woods that wants me to collect 15 essences".

[@thenameless422]

@@riokolza1782 The fact that Diablo 3, for all its flaws, had vendors involved in a mini/quest line (Haedrig was in a good chunk of Leoric's crown, Shen has a mini quest and even the Mystic had one) so I can at least remember them. The world building from D2 was immaculate since you are intimate with everyone, D3 dropped considerably and then D4 just forgot all about it. Blizzard's like: "Here's Lorath, Neyrelle, and Donan. Have fun with them for 5 acts."

[@thenameless422]

I also wanna add that this doesn't make me care about saving these people. The public events and the renown system would've led to incredible world building if you at least knew 10% of a region's population. Imagine if the populace gives more dialogue and open up to you more the higher your renown is AND if you also personally know them.

[@YMPHH]

Fact

[@zachwithnok]

I really don't see how leveling scaling has "so many more benefits", I think it has 1. You can play with your friends for those that want to. However since the majority of players play solo, these changes are forced on them when they could have simply scaled party members down to the party leader's level. It diminishes the gameplay for 85% of the player base so 15% can level together sometimes.

[@edub1170]

I agree it makes the leveling experience seem quite pointless to me. Just my opinion!

[@markusjohansson6245]

Yea. Level scaling has never been good in any rpg. They should have worked on some system which is only active while grouped and left the single player experience good.

[@mag51284]

I never even see other players when I play D4, it is a solely single player experience from what I've experienced

[@antonego9581]

yeah i dont think it has ANY benefits other than playing w friends (which the game doesnt encourage at all and gives you no tools to do so anyways). the combo of scaling + open world just makes the whole game feel totally meaningless and ruins any sense of progression. you literally get weaker as you level up. such terrible game design

[@Nardage]

I like level scaling. It makes it so I can fight anywhere and where I want.

[@TheDestroyer5670]

I think when stories are kept simple it doesn't mean they are necessarily better, but it makes it so much easier to write a competent story that makes sense with good characters. Easier to write a few fully flushed out characters, than many. Simple and good is so much better than complex and mediocre.

[@metallboy25]

I agree. D4 is a simple game made for the casual player. Those people need a story thats as simple as possible.

[@Damaxyz]

It's also very easy to miss some of the nuances in storylines when playing video games, it's not the same as telling a story through a book where all your attention is pointed towards it.

[@icipher6730]

@@Damaxyz No

[@banditgamingps5]

D4 is a 30$ game. That's it

[@ingeniussoul8390]

Arcane : "Hold my beer, I'll destroy this man's whole career" ngl, Arcane's story is one the most complex AND one of the most WELL WRITTEN ever

[@tonyrame7548]

Duriel the insect boss of the 2nd area in Diablo 2 is considered one of the tougher bosses for Diablo games, especially early game for casters since he is fast and can stun lock kill the softly armored caster to death.

[@wastedthoughts]

I still have nightmares about that fight... I swear, Duriel killed me more times than all the other Bosses combined...

[@2inchtim222]

bro i remember being like 12 years old tryna beat duriel, only way in could was entering the boss fight area, making a town portal and doing enough damage before i died 💀 shit was tough

[@LethalShadow]

Man I was hyped to see Duriel in D4, and was excited when they started foreshadowing it as you go into Caldeum. Then he showed up and I bitchslapped him.... I was so freaking disappointed. In D2 taking on Duriel was butthole-puckering. In Hardcore you had to really outlevel/outgear him or take a huge risk. In D4 he's practically a trash mob you just swipe out of the way and forget about and never see again.

[@SethonanGaming]

@@LethalShadow Or just swallow like 50 anti freeze potions and then you can bitchslap the damn thing to kingdom come.

[@SaneMillennial]

Yes! He was always the one I had the hardest time fighting and would usually die on, and I hated how in D2 when you died, your character dropped all of their worn items and weapons so you HAD to get to your body first before he attacked you again, and keep a good 2nd set of items to put on as you tried to get to your body so you didn't die again. I would always go in that room and open up a town portal asap so if I was about to die I'd try to escape before that, or had an easy way back in.

[@topsdrop1]

The problem is that the people who created diablo 1 - 2 are no longer at the company since 2005. So no one at blizzard knows how to properly make a diablo game.

[@TopAnime-kn1xr]

That's totally fair tho.. who would want to stay at such a corrupted company for over 5-10 years??? hopefully things will improve now that MS has taken over Blizzard.

[@idakev]

​@@TopAnime-kn1xr They'll still be operating largely independently like Bethesda. Microsoft isn't going to give them game design tips. lol

[@DeffoZappo]

They could make a game that resembles Diablo but they made an effort to shit on the fans. Like when they laughed about fans wanting a darker Gothic vibe and told them colors are your friend.

[@ObsidianKnight90]

Scaling works better in games if there's a maximum and minimum for a region. For example, a starting area might have enemies ranging from level 1-15, while a more advanced area would have enemies level 25-40. If you're level 20 the starting area will feel easy while the advanced area will feel hard. The other solution is giving players less vertical progression and more horizontal progression. For example, a 1st level character might have 100 Health and does 10 damage per attack with only 2-3 combat abilities, while a 20th level character has 200 Health and does 20 damage but has 8-10 combat abilities. Not only does this let you team up easier with people of higher or lower level, it means that starting enemies can still be dangerous even at higher levels, especially in large numbers.

[@dannys9074]

I agree with everything you said.

[@keithadoodle]

My favorite experience after beating the game was going directly to the cap dungeon and killing the level 70 mobs there and getting the loot an gems from it I put 50 hours into the game and I think I'm good until the new season comes out. Hopefully with new seasons I'll get the value for my money out of it eventually.

[@TheAnimeAtheist]

GW2 does scaling best IMO. You scale level back down instead of the monsters going up, but it's not a 1:1 ratio, so the power you gain by leveling up is still reflected at lower levels, just to a lesser degree. That way you maintain static levels, scaling, and a sense of progression universally.

[@danaolsongaming]

​@@TheAnimeAtheistI was thinking the exact same thing when I watched the original video. GW2 scales you down while making you feel stronger than you were before.

[@Darktotaled]

I like how Grim Dawn does it. It does area scalling based on when you entered teh area, some areas scale with the player but above the player level and the enemies are varied enough that you cant just faceroll them. enemies with resistance to your damage will tank a lot and enemies that do a type of damage that you have less resistance will melt you. The game has a lot of fodder mobs which is fine based on the story but there are a lot of enemies makes you feel engaged and have fun. Gutworm being a good example of that. There is a cave called smugglers basin in Act 1 that is a hollow square with a circular arena inside of it. Gutworm normally spawn 3-5 levels above the player and he hits like a truck. He can bleed you, he can area stun, he can throw net to root you and he has a lot of hp. It is a really fun fight in normal difficulty and even better on veteran, elite and ultimate.

[@linis331]

in terms of story, Diablo 2 and Diablo 1 always had a way of making the character feel like evil was unfathomable and always steps ahead and you. I think d3 changed that completely by making the narrative completely about the player being the chosen one.

[@dorsia6938]

Chosen one narratives are often complete trash, especially in multiplayer games. It completely destroys the immersion.

[@stephenmiano2392]

good point. "Chosen One" story paradigms completely fly in the face of the fact that there are 100s of other "main characters" around you in the open world.

[@Dndndn-t5v]

​@@dorsia6938the chosen one trope will never not be one of the most popular trops for the majority of players. Since a lot of players just don't care about immersion,yes a lot of people care about immersion. But the majority of players just don't. So even if it makes no fucking sense that there's 500000 chosen ones,it'll never die.

[@bobbodaskank]

I was resistant to that take at the time, because I wanted really badly to like the story of D3, but it got out of hand in act 3 when, first, all the NPCs stop being scared of an invasion of demons that they are losing to when you show up ("our champion is too powerful!") and Azmodan pulls a string of like 8 instances of "this next guy will kill you so hard you- oh you killed him, well he was a useless playskool baby idiot, but this NEXT guy will..."

[@ThereIsNoWifi]

I don't want the grind to be easier on the casual player, I want the grind to be enjoyable. It's just not fun fighting a pack of bears or a pack of oppressors and it feels like they removed far too many monster models that they are either waiting on DLC to put in the game or just didn't want to port over from D3. Getting tired of fighting the same monsters over and over again and somehow feeling less powerful every level until I get more legendary gear.

[@justpazzingby13]

Asmon doesn't see the scaling as an issue because he views power and growth differently. People accustomed to ARPGs by default equate power to BIGGER NUMBER (and that is the point of ARPGs) However there is a good subset of players who equate power to a more qualitative experience. Killing a rat at the beginning of the game and a demon at the endgame shouldn't feel the same - either forwards or backwards.

[@justpazzingby13]

This makes the open world an unimaginable problem for people who attribute progression qualitatively instead of quantitatively.

[@jaymeeduhh]

There is no game scaling that equates a very hard endgame fight to a lvl 1 mob even if it scaled. That rat is a trash mob so you wouldn't see a difference in fighting a trash mob at max lvl vs a trash mob at low level

[@TheDorkgetreal]

Facts, FF16 is a great example of level scaling

[@ibrahimhobeika486]

@@justpazzingby13 so many bad takes rolled up in one just for the sake of using big words...

[@daenopher]

Precisely!

[@majorshepard2]

I like how asmons take about level scaling changed since he reached level 100. Before he agreed that it is bad but now when he outscaled the content its 👍

[@thalion3410]

flip flop.

[@GLCDragons]

no he always said level scaling felt bad between 70-100 or 80-100. In the video he changed it to 60-100 so his point remained the same basically. I don't know what you're talking about.

[@thalion3410]

@@GLCDragons i do. in general it is not good in arpg's because zones used to have levels associated with them and that was how you farmed for specific gear MEAANNNIINNGGGGG you could take advantage of how the game rolls loot to find the gear you needed, or atleast have a BETTER chance. in this game that shit just doesnt fucking exist.

[@Terminator-ht3sx]

@@GLCDragonsno he’s been flip flopping on this since b4 the game came out. usually contradicting his own reasoning too

[@pixelmeth]

Yeah, it's a well known fact that on the internet you're not allowed to ever change your opinion on anything ever. Especially not when there is new evidence, like for example, personal experience.

[@davidmccauleyyt]

There was definitely a time between 40-50 where my barbarian was going backwards, I started refining the character a bit more after 50 and it picked up. Also noticed that when I played with a friend that the enemies were noticeably tougher, just damage sponges. I stopped playing soon after, it felt like such a grind. I'll pick it up eventually, but I have no urge to play it at all right now.

[@stellataylor7436]

I think that if a game has everything scale with you, then you can never get the same feeling like you’re getting more powerful. When I was getting into Genshin, Dragonspine mountain was scary! I didn’t go there because I was level 10 and the enemies were level 30. I had to grind to get better and it was satisfying to finally kick those stupid elemental dudes. If they weren’t all super powerful, then it wouldn’t be so fun. Fighting ruin guards was hard and then I grinded and it got easier. The game was fun because there were places where everything was super freaking hard and I got better.

[@boohoow]

Exactly.

[@teodorpetrache3125]

Because blizzard made it

[@localoni4305]

Simply put, yes.

[@Yisusaurio]

Does USA uses imperialism to keep its hegemonic power? F*ck yes.

[@rlowethewitch8417]

It’s definitely a game that’s very… corporate. Like, basically a bunch of boardroom people made a game that would make money but is also playable in some sense. Gotta recoup that KFC money

[@imperialblack1]

if another company made this youtubers wouldn't get 1 mil views for hating on it

[@baseballfury7756]

I got bored at lvl 75 not even gonna try the season

[@C121F]

The only reason asmon feels this way with scaling is because he leans on his crutch of whirlwind barbarian. I guarantee you if he maxed out other characters he would see the difference and not necessarily change on scaling but realize how jaded his view is with barbarian

[@TotoBoto-fp1sb]

25:31

[@C121F]

@@TotoBoto-fp1sb literally ignoring what I wrote. Has nothing to do with builds. I'm talking about classes. I agree if you are struggling in easy areas, it's you. But the fact that he only uses barbarian as an example proves my point that it's a crutch just to feel he's right. It's a strong build and can steamroll the game. Maybe learn another class and actually grow as a player. I'm assuming you're a barbarian main or flat out haven't maxed out another class either but thanks for coming to my Ted talk

[@eruditevanara8189]

I've been playing a rouge lvl 96, Lvl scaling hasn't bothered me one bit, because how powerful I'm rn. Even elites in open world die to one rapid fire shot tbh.

[@TotoBoto-fp1sb]

@@C121F i have rogue and druid lv100, i only played those 2. i killed uber lilith solo as rogue and druid. Didnt have any problems with my builds at all at any point in the game. i will melt with any class because im not a brainless bot. Looks like you had problems with your builds and game diff yourself. btw nice like on your own comm. lmao

[@harpiessnow]

​@@TotoBoto-fp1sbOh, wow, you got lucky drops that worked towards your build. Good job, buddy 👍

[@alilarhdiri9666]

I admire how Asmon can be so close minded yet make reaction videos 😂 If he doesn't like something = Bad/Wrong opinion

[@tedk.6420]

An open mind holds nothing.

[@raccoon8743]

@@tedk.6420and a closed mind gains nothing? You tried to do somethin, I’ll give ya that.

[@tellywatkins7779]

​@@raccoon8743Cooked him like act cooked diablo 4

[@Grovelaar]

You gotta draw the line somewhere

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

@@tedk.6420 And you need criteria to judge.

[@ruslanyaparov6338]

I always thought that if you have level scaling than there is no point in levels at all. It just become to be some useless number. Just remove levels and reward with skills/gear

[@JustFeral]

At that point it's just an action game.

[@apophenic_]

How to say you never played

[@TravisH-nm9fy]

My thoughts exactly. The entire point of having a level system is that you have characters and monsters in different areas that are different power levels. This gives you a sense of direction and accomplishment as you progress and are able to kill harder enemies, and can also go back and kill enemies more easily to remind yourself of how much more powerful your character has become. When everything in the game scales to your level, what is the point of anything having a level at all ?

[@silviuvisan505]

​@@JustFeralit is cuz has the depth of my pee

[@Neo-Bladewing]

@@JustFeral It's almost like making levels meaningless by making everything scale makes a game feel more like an action game wearing the mask of an RPG than an actual, true RPG

[@psirex6]

there are 3 main points that would vastly improve the game for me if fixed: - Class Balance --> I love the fantasy of Sorcerers since forever, played them in D1/D2/D3 Lost Ark etc. But I switched to Druid because after the leveling is "worked" through and you found some aspects it does like 5 times the damage while surviving 10 times more... Didn't know that it is NOT normal to get 1-shot by random ranged mobs until I played other chars after my sorc. - Itemization --> Most items are crap no matter uniques or not. If I fill 100 inventories of stuff at level 100, if I'm lucky I can use them all as gold-food to try and roll 1 affix on my amulet because it already costs 7 million per try. And IF there really are uniques that you want, or you need an Amulet.. there is no way to really target farm it. If I want that Tempest Roar to build a storm wolf I can do nothing but just... running around and hope for a drop. No Horadric Cube like in D2 or D3 sadly. - Endgame... After I finally build my char and my paragon board at level 100 ... there is nothing worth doing with it. I could try to get NM lvl 100 done for.... the same loot I get at NM 50. I could "kill" my character for tens of millions of gold in respec costs to build a Char that can beat lilith and get... a mount out of it. Afterwards spend all that again to play normally. Even in D3 at paragon 1000 or 2000 I was still interested in farming that kind of item in ancestral or with the stats that I want.

[@-weedle]

I've never had a game feel like a chore quite as much as Diablo IV, there's so much potential, but why would they bother improving it if it's already their most successful launch ever..

[@Rockdwaynejonnyson]

Guess you never played destiny or modern world of war craft where you have daily’s weekly’s and have to do them every week instead of working at your own momentum

[@velocity834]

@@Rockdwaynejonnysonlmfao, was j about to reply with destint. Stopped playing that shit and honestly am so sixk and tired of that game

[@Calphurnious]

I did every single thing in the map that I could on my own without looking things up, went in blind. I completed every single side quest not because of the renown but because I wanted to see the stories. I let them talk, I listened and followed along. I don't plan on listening to every story and following along a second time.

[@KraggHC]

That Level scaling take is the biggest L take you've ever had. You do NOT feel stronger as you level up, you feel stronger as you get more gear. If you could stay the minimum level required for your build to work, you would be stronger than a level 100 character, since the mobs scale to your level. This is only false with the Capstone dungeons, Lilith and Nightmare Dungeons, which means it's ALL of the early-midgame that scales, so you only feel like you're getting "stronger", when you have finished the campaign, done all of your renown, and the only content you have left to do is Nightmare Dungeons.

[@gazdamile4042]

Same pattern always, streamers at first claiming game is great, excellent, then they reveal cracks and bad things and at the end "game is bad". Just go back and see their first videos about Diablo 4, you will see this pattern always. Asmon is not immune to this too, even thou i love him, he does same as every other streamer.

[@nujevad28]

Since games can get updated, opinions can change.

[@Lamren]

I played the heck out of the game, got realy tired around lvl 92 and I just haven't logged back in 3 weeks. I don't see the point into pushing it any longer and I don't wanna burn myself before season like a lot of those guys are seemingly doing. There's a shit ton of issues with the game, and it's still much better than what I thought it would be. It also confirmed that it doesn't even stand a sliver of a chance against PoE2.

[@th3orist]

@@Lamren the problem for me in D4 is the loot, i dont get excited at all about all those beams in the sky, its just visual overflow with no substance. in D2 my heart skips a beat when i see a unique on the ground, even if i dont really need it, but its cool to get it and put on the mule for another character to level up. you just dont have this sensation with D4. 99,9% of drops you loot are trash.

[@Seelenfisch]

It's almost as if people can change their opinions on things...

[@AaronBurnsVoT]

The shitty hype train circle jerk into a painful reach around is real

[@HackerArmy03]

Blizzard should just hire Asmon as their PR. Man's invested so much in their games he just felt the need to defend them 💀And it's just quite funny Asmon not relating to TheActMan's "casual" problems, I thought he became more open-minded over the years but looks like he needs more time.

[@ericbiencourt8390]

I think one aspect if the scaliing that people hate would be in a more casual group. If you are not super familiar with ARPGs and things scale to your level. You could in essence put points into bad skills and begin to feel weaker or stagnant as you level. When things do not scale at a certain point you can face grind hard enough to overcome most obstacles.

[@ODSTWhiteout]

I honestly like level scaling because it means if I’m dumb and make a dumb build I get punished for it. However I will admit I’m not as familiar with arpgs and I don’t omega grind

[@pauloazuela8488]

@@ODSTWhiteout Its better to have a option to enable and disable it.

[@H4GRlD]

I'm excited to watch Actman's 2h reaction to Asmon's 1h 30m reaction to his 50m video.

[@abrasivepartyc5416]

Funny but also true, i do want to see it, LOL

[@H4GRlD]

@@abrasivepartyc5416 I'm at 71m into it already 😝 And naturally I have watched DM's reaction to the video as well yesterday.😃 At this point I've definitely watched more videos about D4 than I have played the game.

[@og_ktg]

One of the biggest issues for me is renown and sidequests. As you brought up, because power is locked behind renown and you need to do side quests for it, it "forces" you to speed through them as quickly as possible. On top of that, because blizzard needs to add content to complete for renown, some of the side quests fucking suck (go kill x mobs for random quest drop). The side quests that *are* good do a great job fleshing out the world and telling interesting stories that i would have loved to do on my own time whenever i felt like going through some story. If instead of having 200+ side quests, you only had a quarter of that, but they were the quality of By Three They Come, you'd have a ton of great fucking content to play that would actually flesh out the world

[@ChellePearson]

Totally agree, especially when the side quests are tied with renown, cause I ended up rushing through the side quests to fill the renown for each area, instead of listening to the quests and why I'm doing what I'm being asked to do. I bet I've done side quests which have a great story but I've not noticed cause I'm just in the mind set of "hurry up and finish this one so I can pick up another and max out renown to get paragon points"

[@yin3229]

Brother you have like 3 months per season to max out renown. You do not need to "rush" through sidequests because rushing renown is pointless because the game has a 90 day FOMO period. You saying you are "forced" to is genuinely ridiculous and makes literally 0 sense.

[@Abadeez]

You don't have to do any side quests to complete renown if you don't want to right now. You can do dungeons and altars etc. You don't need a single side quest to complete renown in any region currently if you don't want to. Honestly though if you pay attention to the side quests and don't just skip thru everything they're are pretty decent little stories in their own right, not all of them but a lot of them.

[@TheAluvisify]

Yeah, I've liked every quest chain thus far. They could pretty much take out all the misc quests (especially item quests), keep the quest chains and ones that that are super interesting for worldbuilding, and just bump up renown.

[@og_ktg]

@yin3229 brother when your power is gated behind renown, you have to max it asap when you're trying to optimize your character.

[@JakobEslinger]

its funny how inconsistent asmon is sometimes. he constantly says "well just because that was the idea or goal doesn't make it good. just change the game" but then he uses the same line to justify level scaling lol

[@shanepurcell8116]

Right? "The devs just chose to do it this way." Yeah, and that's why it fucking sucks. They failed in concept and failed in execution.

[@Delsoonbye02]

What do you expect from a blizzard fanboy, they make excuses and Huff that copium. Even asmon does this to an extent

[@biggiebear4451]

All bosses in Diablo 3 were not difficult, but after the expansion was released into Chapter 5 the Bosses were much more challenging

[@MGYT2106]

Reaper of Souls final boss go brrrrrr

[@IYPITWL]

One thing about D2 is every time you head to the next difficulty it feels like when you are back at th le beginning. The difficulty curve is amazing.

[@Melaeyn]

@Dantes230 it was a slog from start to finish. the "difficulty" increase with world tiers equate to arbitrary mob hp/dmg % increases and don't make the game feel like you're at the beginning... just that you need to win the lotto with the minimum amount of level increases so the mobs don't out pace your rng luck (i mean skill).

[@sirdamned9272]

This is why I've repeatedly said Asmon is incredibly smart when it comes to everything _but_ video games. The fact that he can't even wrap his head around why level scaling is bad in an RPG where character progression/power is half the fun is a symptom of Stage 9 Blizzard Brain. "But Elden Ring is a completely different game from Diablo. It's a totally different experience." They're both RPGs, dawg. Hence Actman's entire f***ing point. "I just don't think that's what they're going for with Diablo 4." Uh, yeah... that's the problem dude. Just because they *chose* to design the game that way, and just because you're a MASSIVE Blizzard meatshield nowadays, doesn't mean that this game design decision isn't a flaw.

[@wholetyouinhere]

It's especially bizarre when you know he has played and enjoyed Classic WoW, which has zero level scaling. Gating different areas by level is how you create a meaningful sense of place within the game. That fixed permanence is what tricks your brain into thinking you've discovered a real place. When everything scales to you, your character becomes the center of your engagement with the game. That's a very bad thing if the goal is to craft a living, breathing world.

[@tompatompsson]

"They're both RPGs, dawg. Hence Actman's entire f***ing point." How are you this braindead? FF8 doesn't have VATS like fallout NV, why? They are both RPGs, dawg.

[@sirwaltz4208]

I noticed the problem in the first 30 seconds. Hes playing companion druid.

[@APerson-cw8dy]

17 o7

[@ChrisGrump]

Bad game design then. Another point on the shit list

[@jg3936]

Why is that a problem on the first place? Shouldnt be that on the dev problem?

[@Ghlostyc]

@@ChrisGrumpI was surprised and sad that his problem with skills wasn’t that a lot of skills are trash, but we don’t get to use more. But I guess that’s what happens when you only play to level 48 and WT2

[@nhagan001]

Class balance issues. If you're noticing a problem in 30 seconds, that is making Blizzard look like a joke then.

[@hisuich2967]

The old ARPG "Sacred 1" basically have open world and dynamic level scaling base on region(like first region was 1-10, second 5-15 etc.) and I remembered played it and was like: Hell, open world arpg is such a good idea with all that hidden optional bosses, secret locations. I can't believe there no more games like this". Looks like it didn't change

[@sky-oq5mr]

Dark souls 1 changed the game up for me. Almost can't play or enjoy rpge that aren't set up that way in terms of scaling and set ups

[@sabru72]

You may recall that some zones have a minimum level, but the campaign won't take you there until you're at the appropriate level for that zone. Besides the campaign, you have no reason to go there. If you skip the campaign on a new character, you still don't have any reason to go to those zones early.

[@TheAluvisify]

You will on a seasonal character if you're trying to rush for an aspect in a later area.

[@prophecygg5826]

@TheAluvisify which you can just get better ones at earlier stages and dungeons anyway which still leaves no reason to try to rush it. None of the aspects are that critical or worth it anyway.

[@kozukitonio740]

rocket league is better than this shit game

[@Ynot2711]

Yeah but if you do a capstone early that entire difficulty is well above you. Act Man said he first experienced difficulty in the veteran capstone… if he had bothered to move to nightmare he would have immediately gotten clapped in nightmare helltides. At 45 I beat the capstone but at 45 I get destroyed in nightmare helltides.

[@TheAluvisify]

@@prophecygg5826 Some of the aspects are absolutely worth going for early depending on your build. No idea what you're talking about here.

[@jmk3723]

The thing about level scaling is that a good game incorporates both static enemy levels and dynamic ones. Take Skyrim for example. Enemies around whiterun are always low level. Enemies in the end game like Alduin are locked at a high level that you can surpass. Bandits scale with you. This means the game progresses starting off as easy-ish to hard based on your difficulty, goes to medium that tracks you but you can always return to easy or try something a bit more difficult. Then once you’ve leveled up enough in the medium section, you can go to hard and still be challenged. The main quest ends, and now you are left with leveling enemies. More simply put, good game progression is this: Easy (locked) -> Medium (Dynamic leaning easy) -> Hard (locked) -> Medium (Dynamic leaning hard) Also, locked economies are good, dynamic ones are dumb. What I mean by this is games where you make more money but have to spend more for similar increases compared to earlier are dumb. It’s like if we took GTA online, but every time you unlock a new business to make more money… all the cars and stuff went up a couple hundred percent. It would make unlocking the business detrimental but also lock earlier money making opportunities out.

[@moanguspickard249]

Enemies should have a cap up to which they can scale. Rats scale 1-2, skeletons 2-5, wolves 4-6, bears 7-10, necromancers1 10-15, demons 15-20 etc. Meaning you have flexibility for both casual and hardcore gamers, but even if you didnt minmax you would eventually overcome the challenge, and if you minmaxed, you wont get as easy of a challenge as you hoped, but you would still stomp rats if youre lvl 10

[@KLiNoTweet]

On point!

[@-GonZo]

My biggest issue is the inventory space. Its ridiculous especially since bank space is shared for all characters and worse if you want to try multiple builds. The horse also sucks

[@Thatguy36297]

I think they should’ve done what borderlands did in terms of scaling. Give the players the choice to either have enemies scale with each individual players level, or scale to the hosts level, or scale each area to specific levels based on campaign progression

[@devilsadvocate4796]

For me, the issue with level scaling is the way it affects a player's sense of agency and challenge. By scaling the mobs, you create a scenario in which a seasoned player will feel the game is too easy in all scaled zones and those with less experience (and likely suboptimal builds) will feel it an endless slog. There is not a clear way to approach either player's complaints within the context of the scaled zones (ultimately, NM dungeons alleviate this to a degree for the game at large but require considerable time investment to get there). In a more traditional structure, the struggling players can go to easier zones to level up, and those breezing through the game can just keep pushing to the next challenge. In many cases, there is a difficulty spike between areas/zones to accommodate both approaches although this can feel tedious for those who want a more streamlined story experience -- which to be fair is a potential benefit of scaling if that is the desired experience. For those looking for a more conventional power progression, the campaign and early endgame of Diablo 4 just don't really provide that. You are somewhat stuck waiting for NM dungeon pushing to get that feeling which is what a number of people play ARPGs for. That all said, I have been enjoying my time in Diablo 4. I do think the complaints about scaling are reasonable though.

[@nono-zc1hs]

world tiers are meant to solve that issue, precisely the reason they are there. could you argue that more tiers are needed to help it? Sure. Scaling overall is a benefit imo. just switch world tiers if its too easy or too hard

[@nerojewelyus7935]

​@jeffs3435 What the hell does communism have to do with Diablo

[@nine9_abyss]

Problem with doing leveled regions/content is that they're dead to you as you get ahead of them. No one wants to kill low level mobs for less xp and worse loot.

[@animaanalysis]

@@schmiggidya) this is a retarded analogy. B) this is just wrong. My level 84 Necro is walking through level 112 enemies like they’re paper. Imagine what I do to enemies scaled to me at level 84. Now imagine what I’d do to those enemies if they were even lower level lmfao. The game is already piss easy. Why are we trying to make it any more easy? Act man literally says the difficulty is a joke? Imo world tier 4 should permanently scale the world 3 levels higher than you and even that would probably be too easy. Anyone who thinks scaling makes the game worse or more of a slog in anyway is struggling with a game made for toddlers. Please never play PoE.

[@MasterGhostf]

I felt like each fight was a slog "something I had to get through". I don't mind being challenged. But, when they just have massive health pools and I can't run away, its hard to fight smart.

[@captain_malaria]

It turns out that if you don't want to grind 100+ hours as a weirdly ineffective part of the game, Diablo fans will nowadays call you a "casual" even though players like myself are far better than most of the playerbase skillwise. So the "chosen players who are totally hardcore" are basically anybody who accepts grinding no matter your skill level, or how lame it feels to grind. Lol

[@arch4387]

Regarding level scaling, I remember finishing the story when I was like lvl 52 or 53 but all the mobs and bosses in the campaign stayed at level 50.

[@juliushall8499]

You ruined your own experience. Congratulations 🎉

[@johan8969]

@@juliushall8499 He ruined his own experience by doing side quests?

[@juliushall8499]

@@johan8969 no by over leveling for the campaign

[@Gdizzy101]

I loved leveling druid at wt2, it was difficult and forced me to try and understand the class. I do not like being pigeon holed into playing pulverize to push content until I get the storm helm unique or unique staff for melee storm druid. Items should enhance my experience not allow me to have an experience. I could see needing items for uber Lilith, but for general content I would like to be competitive without needing to have 80% BiS gear to push levels. It would be nice to have items that enhance leveling xp. Like 15% xp gains until lvl 70 gear. So leveling ults is less redundant. I'm a huge fan of class quests, I think it adds a significant level of immersion to a game. And if there were class quests that enhanced certain skills, that could be a way of making empowering skills and adding to the overall experience. IMO class specific quests is what made classic wow so good. It made you feel vested in a character, and the power upside obtained through the uniqueness of the upgrade and quest line in general made it that much more of an experience

[@dancemattdanceify]

lol didn't they say they weren't doing item sets because they didn't wanna force people into builds? lololol

[@nom6758]

@@dancemattdanceify Yeah then they pigeon holed people harder with 10 other aspects of the game.

[@madmax-ut8ht]

The Actman is right about the scaling. I know Asmongold might not agree, but it really depends on which class you play in D4 and how lucky you are getting the drops you need to progress your own scaling.

[@bazuzu5]

It sucks that for a Necro summoning skeletons and Golem are 2 different spaces for the hotkey bar so if you want to have both going you are really limited in skills

[@nickstortion4758]

Have all 3 of mine sacrificed so i could enjoy myself

[@dannys9074]

@@nickstortion4758that seems to be the best and meta build for necro atm unfortunately. It’s sad that the best build doesn’t even use the main mechanic that the character has.

[@bizzlemaan]

The summoning skills are active skills too

[@SnackJar]

You know when asmongold reacts to the act man it's going to be a banger.

[@Extremexboxplayer]

First time i disagree with asmon here, i felt no reasonable change to my character even with all legendary items changing my build, scaling made me feel like i was doing the same damage and progressing at the same speed throughout the game. Only felt a difference in the capstone.

[@matthewmorton6462]

I felt like D3 felt way nicer than D4, in D3 i felt like leveling up actualy made me stronger but in D4 i always feel weak/okay

[@GothicCrimson]

As far as buttons go, I'm a little shocked they didn't go the Elder Scrolls Online route. They have 6 buttons (1 dedicated to an ultimate), 2 button bars and you can swap bars mid-combat. Most builds incorporate 11 buttons overall for all situations. Weapon swapping adds some semblance of depth and accommodates controllers very well.

[@yin3229]

At the very least there should be a separate button for your ultimate. I don't know how they can call them "ultimate's" when even running one is just objectively bad in a lot of builds.

[@kozukitonio740]

rocket league is better than this shit game

[@steamh4mmer264]

I hated weapon swapping in eso 12 Buttons are too damn many,

[@LoneWolfStuff]

Not to mention, ESO also had synergies (Y + B on xbox controller), which would allow more combinations/skills used for Diablo.

[@ezet]

that'd be too many buttons for D4. That's like every skill available for a class. Since the game has so many cooldown skills, optimal builds would then have to use almost all of them

[@aty57]

If you're talking about a more challenging leveling experience in an ARPG then I think I remember Grim Dawn having some of that. I may be misremembering so I'll play it again later, but I do remember having to be careful with mobs at certain points. Titan Quest I think too had one of those spikes with the White Tiger enemies. Low Health builds could get nuked pretty hard.

[@MagpieMcGraw]

Grim Dawn on veteran mode provides a real challenge. You can't do veteran with bad builds. It makes you learn.

[@coachnobody3232]

Grim dawn was pretty savage

[@ExeErdna]

Grim Dawn honestly got it right where if you're playing vanilla vet it's really tough yet you see once you get out of act one how things start the scale and how enemies act is different.

[@faaldeyra]

Grim Dawn was fun as hell. It's just too bad I'm not new to Grim Dawn anymore :c

[@jin12345678]

​@@coachnobody3232 yeah, grim dawn is really the only arpg where you actually have to strategize your defenses. unlike others where it's just a matter of having a large enough healthpool or having the right amount of armor or resistances. and there are so many diverse defensive options as well.

[@Sagebruuh]

The nostalgia missing from Diablo is the scaling difficulty progression. You would eventually get to a point where you COULDNT progress anymore until you farmed the previous area and found OR were able to BUY an item to increase your power. The store was a HUGE part of D1 and D2. It stopped being relevant in D3. So much effort wasted on making the blacksmith and you NEVER need to use it.

[@Zefar77]

Store might have mattered in Diablo 1. But in Diablo 2 the store items where not worth it other than for Quality of life feature such as teleport. It certainly didn't have a HUGE part in Diablo 2.

[@shaquileoatmeal7365]

@@Zefar77 Yeah idk what he's even talking about... The store wasn't even a thing in D2

[@TGravy-wp4rc]

@@Zefar77 somewhat true except for gambling in diablo 2 and you can also get certain godly magic items for barbs and assassins. With gambling you could get insane rares as well. Vendors are huge in diablo 2

[@voxdraconia4035]

Storywise D3 was more engaging than D2. D2 only had the amazing cutscenes, the rest though? Ugh ... yeah...D3? The voicelines of the characters alone gave that game more personality than the previous games combined (sassy femwizard stil lrules supreme here), and that you started in Tristram 2.0 and ended in frigging heaven was dope. Still miffed we could never save Leah though ... missed opportunity for the DLC, did not care to much for Malthael, but still was atmospheric as fuck fighting in the city

[@adreanmarantz2103]

@@voxdraconia4035 D3's worst offence was having Asmodan in the corner of the screen monologuing at you, so cringe. D4 does this a little as well with Lilitih in the blood forest, which is unfortunate. Rathma's ghost talking at you is similiar. D2's Cutscenes are much better in part because they follow a character that was there: Marius.

[@rej6ix7]

they can fix the whole "having to do quests for renown" by having some kind of quest chains that lead to end game quests where the rewards are extremely viable and something that you would actually want to work towards. do the chains while youre leveling to get an op leveling item or wait till max level to get the same item for end game. pick and choose what items you want for leveling and which you want for end game. general idea, but something along those lines would be cool.

[@yamaxenuz18]

The lack of challenge in the game is an extreme demerit, I personally leveled as a Barbarian , but I went Walking Arsenal; I went from 1-100 on that class and didn't feel a single shred of a challenge from any PvE content , even during 70+ nightmare dungeons, but I grinded it out and hoped for the best. I finally got to lilith and basically found out that if I wanted any chance of being able to beat her, I'd have to change my build entirely, and I think that's terrible game design. I've never played a game where I can spend hundreds of hours optimizing my particular build only to find out that it's useless against the pinnacle boss, and the only argument I've seen for this design is "it's traditional in ARPG's for some bosses to make you change builds" The difficulty of any mob in the game except Uber Lilith is like a 2, and Lilith is like a 100. Lilith is a fun fight too which makes it even more miserable that I spent hundreds of hours getting to 100 and I effectively felt as much challenge as I would in a vampire survivors run after I've got my items, just with none of the satisfaction.

[@whiteflame24]

At least in Diablo 3 when you were leveling the first time you got a legendary it could give an effect that changes your entire build path around and you would super ramp up in power and feel like a god. In D4 the first time I got a legendary it felt like absolutely nothing changed power wise and even when I got a whole set of legendary or sacred it really didn’t feel that different then just having all rares.

[@samsterling1462]

my first legendary in D4 was game changing. Gave me my invulnerability shield.

[@marsOrBust7816]

You must not have gotten very far LOL

[@EmmaLynn1310]

@@marsOrBust7816that’s their point? Did you read anything they wrote what?

[@migueq77]

Well, just getting random legendarys doesnt mean you're stronger than before. If you use aspects without knowing how they work and sinargyze with your skills then yeah, just keep using yellow items.

[@triploshadow]

This is the case in diablo 3 reaper of souls, In release D3 you'd prolly never see a legendary leveling up and the ones you saw due to the random mess that the stats were absolute dogshit unuseable also their effects where nothing to write home about as well. In early d3 the most expensive items and the best built characters were an amalgan of godly rolled Rare items.

[@kdebo18]

Maltheal was a very good mechanical boss. His crowd control winds , the spinning light orbs and then his 4 lane incinerate.

[@snperkiller1054]

I personally had a terrible D4 experience due to the scaling, got softlocked around lvl 30 due to not dropping any decent gear, by the end i was still using some gear i had dropped at lvl 6 cause i simply would not drop something better. Without the scaling i could have stayed in underleveled areas until i finally dropped some loot but due to the scaling i just got to a point where i was 2-tap by regular mobs and the game got unplayable.

[@livewirecomiccast6472]

Honestly I feel it I have been trying to level up and figure out what skills to use and no matter what I do I feel super weak even at level 50 after so many dungeons I still feel as week as I did in the beginning

[@deejayf69]

Level scaling wouldn't feel as bad if items felt better. Diablo 3 has a similar system. Enemies will scale up to my level, but I'm never stuck dealing the same damage to enemies because my gear becomes more powerful than the enemies. D3's item system is too basic and bland, but at least all of the stats do something to improve my character. Currently, there are just too many stats on gear that are legitimately useless. Resistance to any damage type/all res, Regen out of combat, health for minions, etc.

[@metallboy25]

D3's difficulty system is nothing like D4. Those usless stats and items, usless legendaries included, are there on pupose. If every item you get has only good stats, you will beat the game in 2 days.

[@TheAluvisify]

That's 100% the real issue. People are getting too hung up on level scaling when it's really not the problem. The problem is not "feeling" more powerful as you progress which is the fault of gear/itemization rather than level scaling. Even if there wasn't level scaling, the game would still have some tiered leveling schematic where zone 1 would be 1-20, zone 2 would be 20-30, then 30-40, 40-45, and 45-50. The game would be artificially engineered, like any RPG for the most part, to "scale" to your level and force you to level to the zones that you're at which would effectively provide the same experience that we have now. The only difference is that you'd be able to go back to zone 1 as a lvl 50 and oneshot packs with your basic skill which I honestly find to be extremely unengaging, so I'm not sure why so many people are trying to champion this idea.

[@anniel9416]

I mean D3's items might be more basic, but they're certainly more fun imo. They might not have all those useless stats, etc. But the legendary effects and set powers are actually interesting, and they do feel impactful. D4's gear has no in between. Either your gear is generic and weak or you've won the lottery with an uber unique.

[@N12015]

Also, I've seen open world games with no scaling... IT'S TERRIBLE, you can have a level 50 team and you will still face a level 16 creature because it did not scaled well to remain interesting.

[@andrewmeyer3599]

​@TheAluvisify Nobody is championing to head back to level 1 zones as a max level to kill mobs as their idea of fun. It's power progression and you know it because you even mention it with the zones. If I'm level 50 and I head back to any prior area meant for lower leveled players, the monsters should be weaker and not so you can bonk them in one hot

[@zachwithnok]

Why are you assuming that most people who quit Diablo 4 quit because it was too difficult as opposed to them getting bored or disliking the leveling experience? Maybe because they don't enjoy the leveling experience which is scaled...

[@ExeErdna]

The game isn't hard it's boring especially if you've been messing around since the beta

[@Andros_Gaming]

Everyone's counter argument was "didn't play long enough gotta play over 30 hours". Ahhh yes, good counter argument

[@michaellauchenauer6117]

while i really dont understand this claim of scaling being bad, i do have one major ciritique to diablo. Why is finishing the campain required for entering higher difficulties and therefore entering the late game. I would have loved to work my way slowly through the campain after reaching lv 80 and getting good gear. It did kind of feel like a "chore" to do the campain, because my build felt somewhat unsatisfactory to use (played druid btw)

[@EpicListening7]

Last epoch is still in early access, made by a smaller studio, yet it has both online and offline mode. Also, the leveling in that game is godlike.

[@GreasyOaf]

Gawk gawk glurk gawk *cough*…. Glk gok gawk gawk

[@beware3586]

Suffers a lot of the endgame problems that diablo has though. Not really a clear goal after the campaign ends (yes I know its Beta) That being said the items and crafting are super fun and the skills interact in some super cool ways. There is a lot of synergy and every level feels impactful. Even in beta its a much better game than diablo imo from a gameplay perspective

[@EpicListening7]

@@beware3586 The endgame for now is 100 level dungeons(3) and the empowered monoliths. Pushing corruption for rare gear. Other than that all the classes are overall balanced and fun to play with a variety of builds. I don't know if they added anything new the last 3 months.

[@Roidstack]

Class balance issues, lacks open world content, lacks uniques and dungeons have no trash to cleave anymore.

[@ChrisGrump]

​@@Lilmikey-dh8cdrepetitive garbage side quests you mean. Quantity over quality. Boring shite that was only put in to inflate the game time and to boast with the amount of quests.

[@TaterTotsNFanta]

By level 75 you've done it all

[@seriouSamx]

@@Lilmikey-dh8cdact man literally addresses this. These are chores, not content.

[@iconicjay9378]

⁠@@Lilmikey-dh8cdare you a dev on a burner account? Why tf would anyone want to do loads of BORING, repetitive content? Calling touching a statue “content” And pvp is just who gets one shotted first…

[@TifffanyTaylor]

I love how act man makes a point & asmon pauses, disagrees with a hard stance & bad take, then unpauses & act man explains why asmon was wrong. Lol 😅

[@Meklord-M7]

How do you not see the problem with the level scaling? The game punishes you for leveling and like he said, the enemies get stronger and you literally get 1 skill point to deal with it.

[@supertrace666]

i assume as he is a barb and has a lot more stats/damage to work with than other classes, he dosent feel like its different at all as he actually has good clear times. im defenitly feeling a lack of good scaling mid 40s as sorc

[@TheAluvisify]

The issue really isn't with scaling, it's with itemization and item progression. There's a certain point around 35-40 where you just stop getting gear upgrades as frequently as you did in the earlier levels. And even when you do get upgrades, they're pretty minimal overall.

[@triploshadow]

@@supertrace666 I played a Sorc and In no way I felt weaker leveling up, I was getting more and more legendary afixes to extract and make legendary items to help me clear. Yes if you play like a dumbass and dont upgrade your gear, don't imprint, don't reroll you are going to get weaker as time passes because you are not interacting with the game systems that were designed to increase your power level and instead are unga-bunga following the next quest marker.

[@valjohnson7112]

i didnt make it that far in, level 30 or something on barb. but i failed some boss 3 times. i went out gained two levels, went back in to face him again only to find that now he is harder than he was before 🤣

[@Damaxyz]

"The base game is so ridiculously easy that by the time I got to that climatic finale in hell I was bored out of my mind begging for it to end." Same, then I just forgot the game existed and moved on.

[@shanepurcell8116]

I felt so stupid that I watched Lillith kill a fucking angel, and then a short time after, me, a lowly sorc with absolute trash gear that never felt powerful the entire time I went through the campaign, walked in and one shot Lillith. The fucking mega demon goddess that I had just watched kill a mega fucking angel. It all felt so unearned.

[@brosephbroheim6428]

Do a full playthrough of D2 norm/nightmare/hell. It's actually pretty hard unless you have the ancient knowledge of what to do.

[@TGravy-wp4rc]

Lmao yea clearly Asmond did not clear Andariel in Hell difficulty

[@AwfulWeather5684]

I just watched an hour and 40 mins of a debate over a game I’ve never played and know absolutely nothing about

[@frankmateo2800]

You said at the end that was the first time you played the campaign without dying, that by itself means that build it just to strong.

[@im.weasel]

The problem with D4 is the lack of power gain. It feels like I dont get strong. No mater how much better my gear seems to get I am not getting stronger. Its just not fun when you feel stagnant in power growth.

[@thenames_wolf8815]

I think the causal player isn't looking up build guides or consulting the internet to see what works and what doesn't. So you have a lot of people playing suboptimal builds and the scaling feels worse.

[@TheBillax]

I think this a hugely overlooked thing by streamers and people that know the game really well. If you try to make a build without a ton of game knowledge or a build guide you could end up making something pretty lackluster even if you have common sense, and then the scaling makes the game feel bad.

[@TRlCKERY]

This isn't true anymore. Nowadays the majority, even of casual players, is meta-gaming. Everyone looks up "best diablo 4 builds" and plays the small list of meta builds. There is much less experimentation, especially from casual players.

[@id1550]

@@TheBillaxI may come across ignorant here, but I don’t really think it’s rocket science. You find a skill you enjoy using, or a specific playstyle/gameplay loop, then you just find legendaries that complement it. I think the issue is that some abilities are just inherently worse than others, not that people aren’t understanding it

[@seriouSamx]

I played with 4 other people that game very often and I had to convince all of them to look up build guides because around level 30 they all wound up disliking the game because it felt bad. This isn’t a good design for a marketed “casual” game.

[@TheBillax]

@@id1550 I did this exact thing with rogue going rapid fire, rain of arrows, smoke bomb, trying to make a cold ranged build. It felt awful and it took me forever to get though packs even though I took all synergies. Ended up looked up a build that works so the game didn't feel as bad.

[@hachnslay]

Blizzard: "Most players are still in the campaign" The Players: "We stopped playing in the campaign."

[@DCIphanatic]

Beating andy on normal can cause you to think D2 as a whole is easy (some chars do struggle with early andy though). It's a really complex game especially in single player or when doing speedruns or other fun game themes. It's difficult and tedious enough that many softcore online players get rushed because they are unable to advance alone. It is an extremely rewarding playthrough on hardcore mode The monsters are scaled by area and by player count so when you level up your character you can come back and feel very powerful in previous zones. This also gives players a choice to stay in a previous area looking for loot and leveling up to better prepare for the next area and naturally allowed for different gear to be dropped in different areas based on the surrounding monster level. This lends extra ripples to speedrunning tradeoffs of loot finding and overleveling vs finish time. Not a perfect system and probably would not work for D4 with the progression systems they have in place and their intended group play vision

[@capnmoby9295]

Fr, I remember fucking up my necromancer at chapter TWO, as i neglected my own specs and attributes and heavily invested on skellys. And i got my ass handed to me, I was just a little kid and it taught me how to think strategically abiut building my character and overall theory crafting

[@FlameForgedSoul]

Once you know she has negative fire resistance she becomes trivial, then you meet Duriel...😂

[@harpiessnow]

Amon bragging about beating the first act boss, the easiest boss, is top tier Dr Pepper Drinker energy.

[@silviuvisan505]

​@@harpiessnowshe is harder than 99% of d4

[@CitizenSniiiips]

Yeah big L take from asmon on this one. Plenty of D2 is challenging if you're not ready for it. Of course when resurrected came out all the new players would have just followed a guide and though the game was easy but if you didn't it blind if 100% is not

[@whatwhat98]

Remember hogger back in vanilla and BC WoW? How he was an elite mob that required you to form a party at a recommended level to defeat, otherwise he would one shot you? Now imagine being at current max level with the best gear for your class with best enchants and best build for pve. You decide, for whatever reason, to go back and defeat hogger, to one shot him. But when you get to him, he isn't a level 20 elite (i don't remember what his level originally was, i stopped playing shortly after cata), he's an elite at your level. You cannot one shot him. But he can beat your ass. If enemies are going to scale with you, in an rpg, then why would you leave your starting area?

[@caaioc]

You outscalled the world difficulty because you were playing with a broken class, that's pretty simple to understand if you think about it. You should try it with druid at that time... or try high level nightmare dungeons with a mage class.

[@uToaster_]

my only issues are the lack of build variety within the majority of the classes.. Sorc only feels good when your primary skills are ice, necro only feels great if using bone spear and good if using shadow, etc.. and lack of ability to target farm build defining uniques, even if it would take time having a way to progress to get the gear piece you NEED for a build to work.. Idc if it was gated by a hard boss and some arbitrary drop rate %.. Before anyone comes at me about RNG I have a maxed OSRS account, at least on RS you have a trgt location you can go for items or mobs you can trgt farm.. even if you can't do the content you could farm elsewhere and trade for it. I'd much rather have a trgt farming location or boss with arbitrary RNG % to get the item I need. (also not talking about the 1/5m uber uniques)

[@OlegnaZemog]

I think an idea TheActMan was trying to paint with the Scaling topic and that people didn't seem to get is not about what happens after you out-level an area, it's about before that. We do know that, technically we do have some level restrictions before we can progress thru the story even though most of those requirements are minimal (level 10). But before we get there, the WHOLE rest of the game is synced right to our level. Remember how before every major story point in a RPG, like FF1-10, there was a boss fight that was relatively difficult depending on how much you grinded before you get there? The fight will challenge you depending on your power at that point, so you either have to tackle it with big brain strategies to make up for your lack of stats or sheer power from grinding beforehand. In D4 you don't have that choice. Either you are too low level to accept the quest or you are now trapped in the scaling world where everything is synced to your current power making boars and balrogs feel like the same creatures in terms of power.

[@ExeErdna]

Like how you can survive some demonic shit in a story mission yet 2-3 tapped by a bear outside.

[@GheistXin]

People back then: "FF14 is bad because the leveling is bad." The same people on D4: "You only spent 30 hours in the game, you didn't even reach endgame, you can't judge it yet."

[@OrkarIsberEstar]

i agree about the leveling. RPGs are supposed to be hard at start, where you struggle with basic enemies and you become strong over time where enemes that used to sweep the floor with you are now killable or even easy. Character progression has to be felt. If everything scales it ruins the progression because you never FEEL stronger. And it can lead to ridiculous outcomes look at Oblivion - if Bandits scale with the player you will encounter thugs clad in full daedric armor. they could just sell that and live like kings for the rest of their lives but nah they just keep on riskign their lives mugging people.

[@Verasoul]

The scaling discussion makes me think of my time in 76 around the One Appalachia update (the universal scaling update similar to One Tamriel for ESO) It was meant to circumvent the issue of getting lower level gear in some public events (i.e. Uranium Fever) since like most games, you can't upgrade gear level despite there being leveled unique and sometimes character bound quest rewards (why Bethesda?) Also to make endgame leveling less of a slog. For the most part, it was a good change, but like most of 76 updates, there were caveats. One was no longer being able to farm low level legendaries with the recurring non-public event Leader of the Pack. Trading good low level rolls was a big thing to make things easier/funner when grinding a new character. The other thing was the issue of the average mob taking too long to kill and for a while after the update, mid-tier level characters were getting their ass handed to them by groups of damn dogs of all things that chased you to the ends of the earth due to how agro mechanics in 76 worked just as they did in your typical BGS game compared to other MMOs or shared world games. Again... why not just give us the option?

[@Damaxyz]

Asmon saying he needs to do the Diablo 2 campaign to really understand what it feels like - Yes, you absolutely should! Act 2 (even 1) on Hell difficulty is gonna kick your ass and you'll gain a lot of perspective.

[@DarkrainHD]

I mean you're starting D2 on the hardest difficulty, D4 would probably be just as difficult, if not more, if you could start the campaign on Torment. I played a Necro in D2 and the game is just not as difficult as people make it seem

[@Damaxyz]

@@DarkrainHD Oh you can't start Diablo 2 on Hell, you have to go through Normal and Nightmare. I agree that Necromancer is on the easier side of things but unless you've got decent gear & resistances you can & will get one shotted by numerous enemies the moment you step into Hell difficulty. In the case of Asmon, I suspect he'll roll Barbarian and he's in for one hell of a ride.

[@DarkrainHD]

@@Damaxyz I'll take your word for it, I've never played on Hell

[@tompatompsson]

The only actual difficult part of D2 campaign is the immunities that come in later on, other than that it's the same exact thing just more hp/damage lol.

[@swiftroph]

Don't know what you guys are all talking about. D2 was and is easy as shit, even on Hell.

[@itsdenga]

Regarding level scaling topic: Easy fix, just like helltide, make some zones scale playerlevel+X , where X will define how hard the zone is, so closer to towns it will be X=0 as in same level as player, and further away it scales up depending on the zone theme. This can be implemented from the start to make these zones feel "dangerous". Each difficulty tier the max range is increased, tier 1 X would be like 5, tier 4 X would be like 50 etc EZ, hire me blizz

[@Dejw_mx5]

I am somewhere in the middle between casual and hardcore players, I play 1-3 hours a day. And I must say that I didn't mind level scaling during the campaign, but I seriously started to hate it after I finished it. I did the capstone for world tier 4 around level 62, between levels 62 -75 I got most of the gear that I am still wearing now at level 90 and with each level I get my character feels progressively weaker.

[@juliushall8499]

Fix your paragon board. Learn to min/max. Deadass, every time you level up, you should spike. Between paragon points, glyphs, YOUR build, etc.

[@joshuasmith1597]

You are now in the min/max grind phase. You grind 40-50s NM dungeons to find versions of the gear you have now with better stats. Thats it. Thats the game

[@Ololz22]

You're fucking up. I felt moderately strong at lvl76. I'm 91 atm. I feel unstoppable tbh. Zooming through 50+ NM dungeons like they're nothing. (Rogue)

[@davewatson4654]

Learn to paragon scrub

[@jeffcoesk8935]

I will forever stand on the hill that RuneScape has the absolute best character progression, where everything you do really matters

[@meltingatom]

I love when the only thing that changes from 1 to end game is the number on the screen going up, i live for green number to be big. I feel so satisfied when my entire progression can be ignored if the number pop up was turned off, and it was just me using the same 5 abilities against the same enemies i have been fighting since the start of the game. I dont care about looks, theres transmog , so i can always look cool, its all about that .2% damage boost from seeing the green number on the gear i randomly get. Its fun.

[@Miloascape]

Ye everyone has learned that the subscription model is the way to go, because people totally forget that they've signed up to subscriptions, and they keep siphoning money away from you every month. I'm at that point where I prefer to just pay one fee up front for the use, even if it is expensive, then have to slowly die on the monthly subscription track.

[@NaatPlague]

I agree with this. Before, games were great, you pay once, some were expensive but it was worth it, you play it a few times, they release a better one, then you move on. Now adays, people accept the mentality of paying a sub for everything is better cause it means they will make the game better, but so far, almost all good games turn bad cause they always find ways to insert more micro transactions for every little thing.

[@jenniferhill2123]

Your Power isnt about the level you are, its about the gear you have on with all the stats, the aspects , skills and paragon board. Better stats you have on your gear, farther into your skill tree providing more tools, passive tools. Farther into your paragon board, the stronger you will feel. The reason why there are so many useless stats, its to make the difficulty to getting best gear for your build. More affix there are the harder it is and longer you have to grind.They want to extend the grind, explains why its so expensive to reroll stats from the occultist which is to keep the grind going.

[@MrTandogant]

One of the main issues I had with this game was getting one-shot out of the blue all of a sudden mainly from a boss and dying... You don't even see the attack coming. Also getting stunned for waaaay too many seconds...

[@MrTandogant]

@Dantes230 what do you mean by skill issue?

[@MrTandogant]

@Dantes230 I was in top 10 worldwide with DH in D3 in 2014 :) It was just in terms of dps but my greater rift was at 72. I stopped afterwards cause of cheaters who were looting with bots while sleeping and boredom. In short, I’m not new to the game :) I play with rouge. There are quite many glitches and tbh honest many times shadowstep did not get me out of being stunned. Sometimes I don’t even see the cursor anymore😂 Gotta make that bigger and different color. I stopped at level 67 tier 4 dungeon level 30 about 2 weeks ago. I’m almost 35 now. I guess I dont have the same motivation for D4 as I had for D3 a decade ago🤷🏻‍♂️ Still too poor also to imprint proper and extract necessary skills on items😅 And the paragon board is waaay exaggrated imo. Anyways, thanks for your replies guys, cheers🙂