Why is EVERYONE ignoring the REAL Problem with EV Trucks?

[@truckedupevs]

We've all heard the reasons why EV trucks aren't quite there yet in terms of range & charging speeds - but the real reason electric trucks are not dominating has little or nothing to do with the trucks themselves. How do you think we can overcome these challenges, and is it time for a new kind of start-up to emerge, one that addresses the elephant in the room head-on, and finally overcomes the biggest challenge to long-haul, long-range ev truck dominance? Let me know below!

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

If a gas truck took an hour to fuel (not to give regulators any ideas!) , then gas stations would face the same inherent problems; they would need a football field to supply the current traffic capacity of a decent sized gas station, hence they couldn't afford to occupy prime locations, they couldn't afford to provide a convenience store or a bathroom, or even basic shelter and lighting as with most chargers. They'd be relegated to the back of dodgy parking lots well off the busy routes. Although they would still not have the problem of the pumps getting even slower the more people are using them, or the gas tank shrinking every time it's filled... there's a whole herd of elephants in this room!

[@truckedupevs]

Sooooo you've never driven an ev. NO ONE charges at a charging station for an hour, let alone 30 minutes in most cases. More of the FUD narration. I presume you've heard this somewhere and honestly believe it - but it's bunk. The charging cycle starts slightly slow, then ramps to maximum and, as the batteries heat up, the charging speed lowers. Most EV owners when on the road stop for a maximum of 20 minutes on average to maximize this ramp, and then move on. This gives them the fastest boost and covers usually well over 60% of the charge to full, if not higher - depending on the age and tech in the vehicle. As many commenters here have already pointed out, a series of service stations in Texas and California have already switched - and they are making good coin doing so. The wait is longer - and as the numbers attest - that translates into more high margin product sold at these locations in the stores than the paltry stipend - or even loss - these places ever make off of gasoline and diesel fuel sales.

[@pstoneking3418]

I've said it a million times in comments on KZbin. There is no way i would've purchased my lightning if I had to depend on public chargers. Decent ones are not where you need them to be. Costs per kwh are ridiculous when compared to my 8 cents/kwh in winter and 12 cents/kwh in summer charging at home. Thank goodness my traveling days are behind me. Local driving & charging at home makes these electric trucks really shine. Not to mention i can power my home with it in an emergency. Little to no maintenance gotta love that. I haul & tow everything that I hauled & towed with my gas guzzling 2014 F150 at a fraction of the cost.

[@truckedupevs]

My sentiments exactly! Great comment.

[@debeeriz]

electric vehicles really shine under the right conditions, short haul, local trips, which most of us do, with the old gas guzzler as back up for when we need to go out of town, that is if we have the space off road to park them

[@teklife]

it's truly mindblowing that for vehicles which are notoriously "slow" to 'refuel'/recharge, that the charging stations offer no ammenities for a captive audience to spend their time and money there, while they have a short break outside of their vehicles, on a long trip.

[@truckedupevs]

THAT is the biggest shocker of all to me - and a huge entrepreneurial missed opportunity. Thanks for the great comment!

[@ExploreWyoming]

Also, another important point to note about why I would not buy an EV at the moment is because of the price of charging at electric charging stations. Sure it costs $6 to charge at home, but I would never charge at home because I always do road trips. Just as an example, my rav4 hybrid gets 40mpg. With a 14 gallon tank, at 40mpg that’s 560 miles of range for 3.50x14 = $49 in gas which is $0.09 per mile in fuel. An ev at $0.45 per kw and a 82 kw battery with 320 miles of range - $0.45x 82 = $36.90 charge price. $36.90/320 = $0.11 cents per mile. Therefore it is $0.03 per mile MORE expensive to drive an EV. Over 100k miles you’ll be losing 3k on charging prices. Note I compared a Tesla model 3 to my rav 4. If charging can get cheaper and better, then maybe the switch will be worth it. Also resale is terrible on EVs. You can buy a 2 year old luxury ev for half what it cost new with 10k miles on it.

[@matsv201]

This is the issue. The person who pays for it, is the costumer. The costumer gets what the costumer wants. So for a gas station, who ever fills up the gas is a costumer. But in a EV charging spot, its actually the government that is the costumer. Because it was the government that wanted a specific amount of charging spots. They payed set amount for them being built, and the only thing that matters was number of charging points, so they built them cheaply, hence they charge slowly

[@truckedupevs]

That might have played a role to some degree, but many of these chargers went in long before receiving funds, including most of Tesla's network..

[@matsv201]

@@truckedupevs I would not really say plenty... There probobly was some. But remember, there was local counties for installment of charges prior to federal funds was available. In some cases they was installed by local government owned/controlled power companies. There was very few, if any, that was built to actually attract costumers, most of them was built to reach a numerical gold. The subsidies was not always funds, but in early days free land use or access to high voltage power lines. " including most of Tesla's network.." I don´t think that is true. First federal funding i could find for fast charger from the federal goverment came around in 2016, (there may have been some prior i cant find). in 2016 Tesla had about 600 active supercharger station (USA only). The number in Januari of this year was 2128. The deplyment of Supercharging station have slowed down considerably from 2020 until now, but prior to 2020 it increased basically in a straight line. Of cause, for Tesla having a functioning network was also important to sell cars. So they might have put a bit more effort in making the charging points a bit more usable. And they are... sort of. Using them with a trailer is still horrible. I live in Europe and...l well here it works a bit differently. Due to very high vehicle tax, most people try to have as few vehicles as possible. Hence most people have a normal harchback or station wagon and they have a trailer or a caravan (some times both) to hock up behind. Trailer and caravans unlike RV have no tax. This was a huge problem early on. Hardly an EV for the first 10 years could pull a caravan. Tesla S took a decade untill it was certified for a heavy trailer, Tesla 3 can only pull 1000kg, that is to little. Nissan leaf can only have 75kg, that is basically no weight at all. Really first when the Tesla X was available we could pull a decent caravan. Then the next problem came around. Tesla X range with caravan on is HORRIBLE. Like really bad. With a ICE car this is not really a issue. A ICE car that can run say 5 hours on highway speed with out a caravan can typically run 5 hours with a caravan, due to the lower speed, sometimes even more. Of cause you can´t charge with a caravan on, so have to remove it, drive charge, than put it on. When your range is 100k, that is not fun. And European caravan can grew pretty large. (Google "kabe royal tower")

[@sheldonridout8799]

Please get out of my head. I have been screaming this topic for a long time. I own Teslas and Ford Lightnings. Tesla will help sell a lot of Ford Lightnings now that Tesla has opened the chargers to Ford.

[@pstoneking3418]

Still price per kwh is ridiculous. I'll stay with my home charger at $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer. Buying any EV and charging at public chargers looses all the economy that I purchased my lightning for. If gasoline was just $3/gal I'm getting as good as mileage as I used to get with my prius. As gasoline prices continue to rise my mileage economy will continue to get better.

[@timnevitt2993]

but it take ford 6 months to get u the free adapter haha because the only good charging station around me is tesla

[@sheldonridout8799]

@@pstoneking3418 Almost all of the charging that I do is at my house. I have 3 chargers. It's the road tripping. I have no issue taking my Model Y on a road trip. I don't trust any of the other charging Networks other than Tesla. I use the the Lightnings for work purposes so they are charged at my house but once I have the Lightnings adapters for the Tesla chargers my staff will use the Tesla chargers to charge the trucks.

[@sheldonridout8799]

@@timnevitt2993 The 2 I have on order are supposed arrive in June. I have a Lectron adapter on order so hopefully that arrives soon.

[@truckedupevs]

Yes, my thoughts exactly. That's the setback for the coming Tesla charger 'wave' in that they are some of the most expensive out there. It's the ongoing danger when one service trumps every other and we run the risk of a forming monopoly. Don't get me wrong. I am thrilled that this has happened, but other players, including Ford, have to step up. Gas stations are totally missing out on a HUGE developing opportunity here.

[@zonavarbondagoo4074]

This is a huge problem for Actual Trucks and utes/4wd's/suv's because towing anything requires massively more energy which kills range and you have to stop more often and for longer to recharge. It's a huge issue here in Australia because of the way our country is set up, and the power grid simply does not have capacity. Recently on the easter long weekend many public charger sites for normal vehicle (not large freight trucks) had huge queues of vehicles waiting for access to chargers. I have not yet seen any EV truck charging facilities on the main highways I tend to travel, but eventually they will come.

[@johncooper4637]

This is so old news. Drive in west Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and most other western states and you will find places that don't have gas stations much less EV chargers. Another downside, as has been reported, is requiring a phone app to access the charger but if the charger is in an area where you don't have cell phone coverage you are screwed. I don't even need a credit card to get gas, cash works fine most of the time. A recent KZbin video of an Australian in California trying to charge a Rivian (I, think) was funny because all the chargers were busy and there were waiting lines. When he finally got to charge it took 45 minutes to get just a 50% charge and the chargers were throttled as they were all in use at the same time. Unlike EV chargers, each gas pump works separately from a common tank and you can fill up in 5 minutes or so. I will stick with ICE vehicles, thank you!

[@truckedupevs]

All valid concerns. Thank you for your comment!

[@Patchyclaw]

I've noticed a couple of my local Wawa's have started installing tesla chargers in their parking lots. But they are still all curb chargers rather than having any pull through.

[@truckedupevs]

Yup. I have heard good things about what Wawa's is doing. We don't have them here in Western Canada. It's too bad that new install keep going down the broken curbside model. In what state are the new Wawa's Tesla chargers located? Thank you for the comment!

[@Patchyclaw]

@@truckedupevs The ones I've seen are in Maryland, I've seen at least two that have the chargers installed, I think three.

[@SCSLead]

I own a Lightning and love it but continue to be amazed at the back of low-lit Walmart, etc. parking lots that lack any amenities and sometimes even safety. I agree, this situation must be corrected.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

The reason gas stations can occupy prime real estate; main streets, intersections, on/off ramps etc, is because they make enough money to afford it. A modest sized gas station can serve a dozen cars in 5 minutes. This high traffic flow also makes a profitable convenience store viable. But you'd need a football field of chargers to supply the same volume to EVs, which means they have to occupy cheap low density real estate. And EV owners obviously prefer to charge at home anyway, so the demand would never support the same capacity either. Beyond that I wouldn't care even if chargers were as easy to find as gas stations, I still don't have an hour to kill every 200 miles, or 20k to lose in a depreciating battery,

[@Paul-cj1wb]

There is one little company who has believed all along about the "if you build it, they will come" ideology. And yes, they're building pull-through stalls now that they finally sell a truck of their own. That's right -- Tesla. It's not so little anymore, but it was when they began "building them." And they continue to build them at an unbelievable and ever increasing rate. They now build a 12 stall site in only 4 days. And surprisingly, they continue to build Magic Dock stations opened to all despite beginning their NACS opening to other manufacturers with Ford and Rivian already gaining access. Can you say "the next Standard Oil?" And have your friends seen the Silverado with it's massive battery and 450 miles of range including 230 plus of highway towing, and it 360kw charging speeds? I know, I know, it's expensive (as all new leading edge technologies always are) but if they can get a hold of a fleet 3WT version for around $60K, it might be doable. The sad thing for you guys up there is that one of the largest gas station/convenience stores chains in the world, with tons of chargers (including many with pull-through stalls) in Europe, is actually a Canadian conglomerate by the name of Circle-K. But unfortunately, they have more of a "we'll build it when they get there" type of mentality. But they better wake up, because the Buc-ee's and the Wawa's and the Sheetz of the world are adding chargers everywhere in America. Is Canada next for one of them? Hmmm?

[@truckedupevs]

Excellent points. We need a whack of competition on this front in Canada. I have an order for the Silverado EV. The problem still is that the tech in the trucks is totally getting there, but a vast majority of the chargers still being installed are not pull-through and are not fast enough. I sure hope you are right and we see these changes accelerate.

[@teklife]

still missing other conveniences, which they ought to focus more on. then tesla charging stations will be like little destinations people will actually enjoy getting out and spending some time at, even if u can play COD in your car

[@truckedupevs]

@@teklife LOL! Well said.

[@xSirDingo]

Malls might be able to make a comeback as EV charging hubs.

[@Species-lj8wh]

This is exactly why I have no plans of replacing my diesel F250. The closest I see in the remote future is going with Edison and making it a hybrid with there Hybrid retrofit system. Mind you it will be years before its available, but.

[@rxibot]

And that's okay man. It's fine that you want to stick with your diesel I don't blame you. Obviously this tech is too new to replace a diesel motor at this moment. Hopefully you'll be able to do it sometime in your life where you can be reliant upon an electric vehicle more than a diesel. That would be something to celebrate :-)

[@Species-lj8wh]

@@rxibot I already replaced my wife's car with a used Bolt. Far cheaper than a Tesla, and it has physical buttons for most everything.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

The HD pickup truck has not made it to the market yet, so your plans to move to BEV are further down the road (maybe for a long time) On the LD side BEV pick up truck options are pretty good and getting better every day. LD diesel pick up trucks make zero sense once the pull through dispenser becomes more widely adopted.

[@truckedupevs]

My wife owns a Bolt and loves it. Shockingly good range, and a bradn new battery ina 4-yr.-old car due to the recall :-). That worked out rather well...

[@krikkenstein]

To me, as a European the American obsession with trucks is mind boggling. They make no sense. They are in every sense the mother of inefficiency… But the main problem for issues like pull though and amenities like food and restrooms, here in Europe, seem to be regulatory. Here only traditional Gas stations have the right to do so… But be assured, with a more mature EV charging market competition will pick up and the better charging points will win out of those bad ones.

[@truckedupevs]

Europe fits inside half of Canada, and that doesn't include the Northwest Territories or the Yukon. 9.3% of the world's population - 741,786,025 people - live in Europe. Canada's is 38 million - averaging 2 people per square kilometre. Really. Inefficiency is using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Trucks serve a purpose that most of Europe can't fathom because it is not applicable. One train can service millions. One bus is full on every trip. It is possible to drive for eight days here and never hit a city. Trains and busses in rural areas, in some provinces' northern regions, might serve one old guy with no teeth and couple of chickens. :-) It is all relative, but many truck owners DONT use their trucks as trucks but instead as glorified shopping carts - so your point isn't lost on me. I think you are totally correct that we are at the starting line, and the main trajectory lies ahead of us. Thank you so much for the great comment!

[@jstar1000]

apparently you have never been to a Buck-ee's, I went to one the other day in Temple Texas and it had like 40 or so super chargers. All the food, cleanest bathrooms and the like you would ever need.

[@truckedupevs]

We need 12,000 more Buck-ee's 🙂

[@jstar1000]

@@truckedupevs It will happen it time. From what I see in my area the super charges are going on line like gang busters. The last year or so has been crazy. I've had my EV for almost 5 years and the last year or so has gone nuts compared to the prior 3 or so years. If that keeps up it will get better pretty fast. We have a lot of Shell stations that have super chargers at them along with all the Buck-ee's and regular stand alone Tesla super charging stations at malls and shopping centers. More and more gas stations like the Shell stations need to have them installed.

[@mtnman1984]

There are five Bucees outside of Texas and you're not putting one in front of a supermaket.

[@danharold3087]

I too expect to see a network of the needed chargers for semi, pickup, and cars built alongside interstates and major highways. Included in this will be additional power generation, green or otherwise, batteries and even dedicated grids. For this reason I think we will see the needed charging come from the electric side rather than expect to see gasoline concerns. The cost of a grid scale battery like the Tesla megaPack is between 1 and 2 million dollars. Looks like utilities or maybe Tesla.

[@truckedupevs]

That's a good point. You may be right.

[@aperitifs]

Big oil might fund cut a cord day, that will be interesting to see how quick all the different charge providers can get repairs done. And if they have the parts needed in stock in every state.

[@dhyskRand]

1. Vast majority of truck people are anti ev. 2. While most people don't do truck things with their truck, they still buy them because they think they might do truck things. EV trucks don't do truck things. Your right better charging stops is a thing that has to happen. But #1 reason EVs is still range and the hassle of changing. We need better batteries and more chargers. Trucks will be last, best thing about my truck is 700 mile range on a 36 gal tank. Why such a big tank because towing is hard on mileage, but if i get stuck in 2+ hr traffic jam because of a wreck i can fill up in five minutes and be on my way for hrs.

[@tomslick986]

EV’s as a movement are already dead. The niche market will continue but the market is already over saturated with them. They are very dangerous in accidents and have many other issues as you stated, poor range, takes forever to charge, very limited stations. But the biggest thing is we do not have the infrastructure to support the charging stations. The US is tearing down power plants in the name of the “environment”. If coal powered cars/trucks were the future then we would be building nuclear power plants all over the US and fast tracking them, yet we are going the opposite direction. The American people have caught on that coal powered cars are a way of control by the government and not the logical next step in transportation. Let’s all cheer for the death of these environmental disasters.

[@boomerwmu81]

And for all these reasons, this is why the Ramcharger is going to dominate the market when it comes online. That couple that wants their electric truck for daily driving but need the convenience of a TRUCK once a month is exactly who they are designing it for. I'm also one of those people. I have a 40 mile daily commute, but on weekends need to tow my camper and boat to lakes that will be the last place to ever get any type of fast charger.

[@truckedupevs]

You might be right, and possibly a perfect fit short-to midterm. The downside there is the problems associated with two types of vehicle now combined into one. Many of the benefits of a true ev are lost while many of the benefits of a straight gas truck are forfeited such as cost. With that said, I'm leaning toward the Ramcharger being a good interim solution, but I want to see more of it in person before plunging in. I really appreciate the info and comment! Thanks!

[@boomerwmu81]

What I want to see when the Ramcharger is out is you put a 5000-6000 lb trailer behind it and compare the MPG of the Ramcharger with that of the Ram 1500 with the same engine in a standard engine/transmission configuration. My prediction is that the Ramcharger will blow the standard configuration out of the water.

[@tiemeiscool123]

I would say people don’t have range anxiety, but they have charging (station) anxiety

[@ridingwiththereids]

When a EV is developed to withstand the-60*F winters we see here in Alaska, that don't require being parked in a heated (by some type of Fossil fuel or wood) garage and can actually keep the cab warm, and cost under $60k, I might consider. GM claimed their 2024 Blazer EV would do those things. Funny enough I work at the local GM dealership and was able to witness it do none of those things. It also took 5 days to charge and then was deemed not to be sold. It will be a long (10+ years) time before the EV market ever takes off up here. If it even does.

[@truckedupevs]

Great points. Yup. For that market, EV trucks have to step up - but many of your concerns are being tackled head-on by some amazing minds. This tech is in its infancy, less time on the market than the first VCRs and Betamax. We're at the pre-internet/fax machine stage - but it is accelerating faster than both of those developments. Faster than solar. Faster than computer processing speeds. I think you won't have long to wait, including handling extreme cold wiht the advent of a breakthrough in the electrolyte used in the battery chemistry. I did a video on these changes here, if you're interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnywiolsnp2bb5o I heard the same about GM from another source. I have a preorder on the SIlverado EV with over 450 mile sof rang eon a charge and supposedly better cold-range loss control - but I'm starting to doubt their real abilities. Thanks for the awesome comment!

[@donlittlejones3925]

I do know that Quebec has built pull through charging stations through the Flo network. Not sure what distance they are apart, but they are on their 2 major highways... the 20 and the 40 that run East and West along the St. Lawrence.

[@truckedupevs]

That's awesome news. Flo in the west is complete garbage for the most part, from my personal experience. 100kw at best - usually 50 - poorly located, rarely running properly, and always piggybacking off someone else's infrastructure like Tesla Super Charger locations, which makes them even more laughable. Nice to know they are doing it right at least somewhere. Thank you for the comment!

[@rxibot]

First of all you owe me a beer! You made me spit my drink out so many times, sure to laughter during this video it's not fair lol. Second of all I agree with every point you made. Thirdly if I was to add to the conversation, is the price of getting some electric juice put in my non-dinosaur killing machine. It's almost as much as just paying for gas when I fill up on a public station. Yeah it's great that at home I pay less than $0.03 per kilowatt, but when I go out into a public charger I am paying over 40 cents per kilowatt which makes my lightning cost a lot of money to fill up when I'm not even going to be able to use all those electrons if it's cold outside. Or if I'm going up a hill. So the price is a big one. Fourthly is something that I have learned since I was a child. I grew up in a very technical family. My family invented computers, we worked on VR back in the '70s, they were called zipper heads here where I live. So I understand the huge importance of standardizations. While I'm glad that Ford now can use Tesla chargers, just like with Apple and their lightning plugins, should be forced to use the standards that are placed out here for everyone. That way we don't have to worry about getting plugins that catch on fire or cause damage to your battery or even the Tesla chargers. That way you don't have to worry about inaccuracy on voltages because of a adapter that doesn't quite meet the measurements because it was sold from China instead of coming from Ford or Tesla which they would then corner the market on. That's exactly what happens with Apple. Don't get me wrong I love Apple but if it says Apple anywhere on the wire they're charging another 30% just because of using that compatible with Apple. I love my lightning but I've had nothing but a hard time with these charging situations that are absolutely needless at Ford would have done the job properly. I love your videos keep up the great work!

[@truckedupevs]

LOL! I've got some Bounty quicker pick-er-uppers nappies...? Wow! All excellent points. Great insight for my viewership and serious issues that the ev truck world must address. Where I live, we're at 25-30 cents a minute and I know I'll pay higher on Tesal Super chargers once my adapter arrives, but gas cost/range spread for the same $1 spent is still quite big. Even when I'm on the road for a trip, I find the cost is only about a quarter of the cost as I paid for gas, both summer and winter here in Canada. My Christmas trip across BC cost me a fraction of what it took in my Ranger, even with free charging factored out. You're right though, the spread definitely diminishes greatly when going from home charging to DC fast charging, and then there's the added toll on the batteries over time as well. That's an often overlooked cost. Great notes on the aftermarket knock-offs. Many of the horror stories at charging stations have come from something like you mention. Ford is not 'all in'. It's pretty obvious, especially in the last month with their run for the exit on commitment. I'm not sure what the solution is, outside of some future competition literally kicking their massive ICE profits off a cliff with a game-changing ev truck product. I think we have a year or two to go to see how some of those chips will fall... Thanks again for the excellent food for thought!

[@zeedustrakok]

Guess you have to go to Europe. Big fuel stops have DC chargers between 200 and 350KW. They just need a few more. Pull trough chargers are also coming in (mainly FastNet).

[@truckedupevs]

We could learn a LOT from Europe. Next to China, no one even comes close. Thank you for the comment!

[@billpoilkj]

I've been driving an EV for a year and a half and I've never had to charge away from home. I love my EV. If I was thinking about using it for towing I would not love it so much. Actually, if I was considering using it for towing,I would not have bought electric.

[@truckedupevs]

Thank you for the comment. I do tow and haul and still love my ev truck, but I am short haul on both. You are correct. Anyhtign more and - right now - an ev truck isn't the right choice, Some tech and especially the charging station design need to catch up, but I am confident both will happen. By whom and when is whole other matter.

[@debeeriz]

considering how new the electric charging network is the lack of forethought is sheer stupidity, for a new industry they should have put their heads together and worked out standards from day 1 not day 6000

[@truckedupevs]

Yes! Well said.

[@kida12]

Tesla superchargers are the only thing that make EVs even feasible. EVgo and all the others are never working. Shell is buying millions of dollars worth of Tesla chargers to install at their gas stations across the country. Also, the Biden administration has plans (which may or may not get implemented) to built charging stations along all major highways, specifically for semis, but hopefully also for vehicles. I agree the chargers need to be pull throughs just as gas pumps are now. Backing in is a pain as are different placements of charge ports necessitating using "wrong" parking spots. It also makes waiting lines absolute chaos. I think the thing that makes me leery of EV trucks is the uncertainty of range when towing or when the weather is bad. Also the lack of mobile EV charging services if you run out of charge. Truck range needs to be in the 600 miles range to alleviate some of this anxiety. And the prices need to come down.

[@truckedupevs]

All great issues raised and valid concerns. Some good news. Most tow truck companies now are able to offer ev mobile boost services. Also, I drive in Canada in severe swings in weather, and I won a standard range Lightning, and I drive back and forth on 800km trips to the coast over five mountain passes and have never once had the slightest issue, both summer and winter.. But yeah, the moment we top that 500- mile range, the world changes. My next pre-order is for the Silverado EV and that is getting insanely close at 450 miles and a VERY fast charging speed. My lightning now has access to Tesla's entire Super Charger Network, which are perfectly placed on all major routes in Canada, so things just got even brighter. One last note - I bought my Lightning for $1400 less than a gas XLT. There are tons of deals out there right now, if one stays away from Hummers and Cybertrucks :-). Thank you for the great comment and food for thought!

[@theniceneighbor]

You call it a washroom but don't remember full service stations

[@lucglaude9833]

Yes you are right, the only light at the horizon is maybe the Ram RAMCHARGER it a PHEV whit a generator. We will see next year. It could be the only one to replace my F-250 gaz 6.2 liter on 2013, for long haul.

[@truckedupevs]

I did a video on it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4bSqnpjm9R_n7M Not so sure it will be our long-range saviour but might do it. Alternatively, by the time it hit sthe market, EV truck might render it a poor investment. We'll have to see. I'm actually of the mind that, given two-three years, something is on its way that will meet all the needs of your F-250 in an electric format, but the service stations will certainly need to step up. Until then, you have a great, reliable truck that makes a LOT of sense for long haul. Thank you so much for the great comment!

[@sup23er]

You didn’t even describe the number one problem... The grid cant handle this many fast chargers… 250kW charging takes +- 10 times longer then just fuelling your car with gas. Therefor you need 10 times the amount of pumping stations. So you go from 6 pump stations to 60 charging stations. Which in turn needs a .250*60 kW grid connection. A grid connection of 15MW per gas station is just ridiculous and impossible to make with the current grid.

[@truckedupevs]

"said the horse and buggy owner in 1915 to the Ford Model T driver...."

[@truckedupevs]

@@JonAadland Keep drinking the conspiracy Kool-aid. You obviously know NOTHING about history, Standard Oil, and the massive, unprecedented infrastructure and development money that was fed from public funds for six decades to the Oil & Gas cartel. Read a book, Holmes.

[@truckedupevs]

I guess you also obviously overlooked the strain on the grid with the proliferation of air conditioning, electric ranges, and cloths dryers that were all adopted by North Americans within a period of the same decade and all demanded a greater burden on the grid at peak demand hours, unlike all evs combined where over 80% of them charge in low demand overnight periods at the lowest rates, and how the grid adapted to that demand as all capitalist systems do. I mean, who's looking at facts when we're plucking number like '10x longer' out of our butt and claiming like some Grade 8 dropout Q-Anon basket case living in their mother's basement that 'activists have infiltrated our government'? You own a lot of guns, drive old cars, and spend a lot of time alone surfing Pornhub, I'm guessing...

[@albertsmith678]

This is the reason/need for the complex Ram Charger truck

[@truckedupevs]

This is the one hurtle that, when addressed, makes the Ramcharger as obsolete as the ill-fated Volt before it.

[@Boomtendo4tw]

Congrats on getting to 1k!

[@truckedupevs]

Thank you so much 😀

[@marosjerabek1779]

Great content! If a person understands anything about anything, they'd figure out EVs are the future. I am just saddened and worried that there is too much money to be made in the oil industry for the major players to go in on electrification of infrastructure. Short term gains for the win I guess.

[@truckedupevs]

Awesome comment! I'm with you 100%. That's my biggest worry also.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

Forget about the oil majors building charging stations (the few ones you hear about are merely greenwashing -- just look at their ridiculous prices). It goes against the very core of their business. It's like Kodak, which actually invented the digital camera, but it's core business was selling film. Or Blockbuster, who was offered to buy Netflix, but that would have killed their core business of video rental stores.

[@truckedupevs]

@@Paul-cj1wb I have the same feelings that they won't step up. Are you of the mind that we need a whole new start-up to step into the space? Right now, no one seems to have identified the future void.

[@truckedupevs]

@@Paul-cj1wb Great Kodak reference by the way. Excellent analogy.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

@@truckedupevs The IONNA consortium led by Mercedes seems to have noticed. I see them buying Electrify America/Canada. And if the other partners don't keep up, Mercedes might do it on their own. They're already adding their own in America. They have a lot riding with their electric trucks, so they have the most incentive by far.

[@sesmeltz1965]

Your videos are hilarious! I loved the cutscene to writing the life story. The video was going to be fine without it - this was a touch of excellence! I expect to have my Silverado EV in roughly a year. I’m hoping things continue to improve, especially for amenities and pull-thru capabilities.

[@truckedupevs]

LOL! Thank you so much, and glad I could put a smile on your face - and explain my slightly elongated head ;-). I'm with you. I also have a pre-order on the Silverado EV, although in Canada I imagine we'll be waiting longer, just as is the case with the Cybertruck. I have my fingers crossed that some still-frontal-lobed-retaining engineer might put an auxiliary plug in it so we can add solar panels, generators, or battery range extender 'tidy tanks' - and let's all start putting out the vibe to our service stations to add a pull-through charging lane! Always appreciate the awesome feedback!

[@tylerproctor4878]

I'm first lol. Love supporting this channel

[@truckedupevs]

You're the best! That's twice, possibly 3x! Thank you, Tyler!

[@MeyerFerreira-b5o]

Well said!!

[@phprofYT]

More bs than a FJB press conference

[@truckedupevs]

Wow. What an intelligent, fact-checked, heavily researched post. You're a real debater. I can tell you went to Harvard...

[@wonderplanet343]

Jumpy video edits = no watching .. Have you watched these? Painful. Nice topic ❤

[@MichelRoelfsema]

This must be an US problem only

[@truckedupevs]

I'm in Canada.

[@jgn1977]

The editing of this video was driving me crazy. So distracting. You dont need 5 camera cuts in 10 seconds.

[@truckedupevs]

Thanks for the feedback. Still in learning mode. I'm working on it. :-)

[@jayfizzle7931]

Just get a real Truck and all those problems are solved

[@truckedupevs]

Dah dum dum! Nice :-)

[@TheNiteinjail]

It's sort of useless to argue .. we need to stop burning dino squeezin's asap.. we need some EVs yesterday. The world isn't going to unfuck itself.. we need to make changes.

[@Hello_there_obi]

I mean, owning an EV truck is the stupidest idea ever in the first place.

[@truckedupevs]

Wow - what a deep debate you create, fact-checked and backed up with a compelling argument.... Anyone can type crap but few have the chops to back it up. Try harder.

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@truckedupevs I mean, it should be obvious but ok here I go: Most people who buy a truck do so because it’s cheap, rugged, practical and capable. And those who want to can work on it themselves and modify it for heavier offroad use. 1) the main one: EV trucks are not cheap. And without tax breaks and or carbon credits or discounts or grants, they are even more expensive. They have also caused prices of gas powered trucks and cars in general to balloon because resources are being diverted to produce an ev vehicle which has lost car manufacturers literal billions. It’s so bad ford is stopping production of their lightning and others are scaling back. Not to mention they are expensive to insure and when the warranty expires, the monstrous cost of potentially replacing the battery is now hanging over your head. Some insurers won’t even touch evs now. Repair costs are much higher too. These are some of the major reasons why they depreciate like stones - which is another huge cost btw. 2) they are not rugged. You cannot take them properly offroad because one dent or scratch to the underside and you could be looking at a new battery pack which in some cases will just write the vehicle off. Though generally more reliable, if you do want/have to work on the powertrain, it’s much more difficult, expensive and dangerous. 3) practical and capable: you cannot tow much very far with these things and you cannot refill them in an instant. If you go into the wilderness with a gas truck, you can take a 50 dollar jerry can full of 20 dollars fuel for emergencies or to rescue a buddy. If you want to do that in a cyber truck, it’ll set you back *$15,000* and will propel you a fraction of the range per kg of fuel. Speaking of kgs, we need to talk about weight. They are heavy. Like stupid heavy. That ridiculous weight makes them less capable off road too. They can get beached and stuck more easily, they are more dangerous to others in crashes, more lethal to pedestrians, guardrails wont stop them anymore and they damage roads at a much faster rate. Road damage increases to the fourth power with vehicle weight. A ford ev pickup weighs 40% than an F150 so it damages roads about 4 times more. This accumulates over time and with more heavy vehicles which decreases road lifespan and adds to the pothole epidemic. 4) you cannot modify it or fix it yourself cheaply. Which is another big problem for so many reasons. Aside from very few aftermarket options, you cannot chop and modify an ev truck easily, if at all. A simple lift can cost quite a bit more if they can manage it at all and because of the aforementioned higher weight, the components need to be beefier and therefore cost even more. And I didn’t even talk about the hummer ev. What a joke that thing is! It’s unbelievable that evs are not being taxed based on weight. But it’s obvious why. A big part of owning a truck is individual expression and modifying it to fit your needs. People love to work on their engine bays and add turbos, superchargers, new exhausts etc. You can’t do that with EVs. It’s an homogenous blob. People also love a good sound too! 5) hidden pollution: tyre pollution. Way way worse with evs and even worse with heavy trucks. More harmful to health that tailpipe emissions now. And the full pollution impact of evs is still largely undisclosed. Aside from CO2, you have tons of other toxic chemicals and polluted water supplies to content with. 6) fire risk: there’s not enough data to compare yet as most ice car fires are from cars well over 10 years old (due to electrical faults) but even if ev cars catch fire at lower rates, when they do go up, the damage is on another level. You cannot put them out and you cannot fight them without serious risk to health. They burn so hot they melt concrete and the vented gases are incredibly toxic. Regulations recommend a 15m radius. I don’t know many people with a charging dock 15m from their house. The fire risk to infrastructure like car parks is another issue. Modern sprinkler and fire suppression systems will do absolutely nothing. I’m mentioning fire because l, while not unique to trucks in the ev category, ev trucks will burn the worst and at the highest intensity. Given how popular trucks are… Speaking of infrastructure, the charging network sucks. And a lot of people drive large distances in pickups - particularly in america. And they haul heavy loads. Which kills a ev truck’s range. So guess what happens? They spend a lot of time - and money oh my word - charging. And since the batteries are massive, you have to wait even longer. You have to pay even more. Speaking of range, people like their trucks tall and boxy. Which is very bad news for an EV version range-wise. Take the GMC Hummer EV: weighing 9,000 pounds. Its 2,900-pound, 212.7-kWh lithium-ion battery can propel it 329 miles. Which is disastrous. That’s about a third as efficient as a Lucid Air, which can travel over 500 miles using a battery half that size. And when loaded, say goodbye to 329 miles. So you could easily end up charging over twice as often and for twice as long?! That’s a FOURFOLD increase in charging times and cost. At least in a model 3 you get good range, it suits the surface it drives on, isn’t to heavy and while still dear, doesn’t cost an arm and a leg. But the vehicle of choice for blue collar america? Really? You think someone on a minimum or low wage/hourly pay is going to fork out even more cash for an ev truck and then deal with all this?! That’s utterly delusional. Enough chops for you?

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@truckedupevs so in summary, car brands are trying to pitch an expensive, impractical, not rugged, high tech vehicle to a market that is widely blue collar ie those with not a lot of disposable income, not tech savvy, prefer a “manly” v8 (let’s face it they sound badass) and prefer to modify it cheaply by themselves. To mod an ice truck you need a tool kit. To mod an ev truck you need a laptop and diagnostic tools that most manufacturers won’t let you have - *wave good bye to the right to repair* by the way! Their purchase is also emotional. And I’m sorry, but ICE vehicles are more characterful, emotive and involved than their ev counterparts. Low weight, gears, unique engine sounds, the option to add superchargers, turbos, new flywheels, the vibrations etc. All that is castrated by an ev. They aren’t in the market to buy soapbars and feel smug. You could not have picked a worse vehicle type to make electric…short of jet airliners. They are categorically stupid. Ford is rolling back on theirs for the reasons I listed. They forgot who their customer base was. Not everyone lives in California with a white collar job 😅

[@Hello_there_obi]

@@truckedupevs do you want me to keep going or am I hitting hard enough?

[@truckedupevs]

@@Hello_there_obi That's more like it! Rather than an unoriginal, lazy troll one-liner that any fool can pump out, you make a comprehensive case as to why EV trucks are the stupidest idea ever. Well done! Although some of your concerns are great, it's too bad that a larger number are either partially or fully inaccurate, not heavily researched, or seemingly cut and pasted from the FUD troll mill sites. But NOW, at least, we can have a discussion. Thank you! 1) All trucks are expensive, regardless of locomotion method. Period. For every hard-working blue collar worker, buying anything new is getting ridiculous. However, as countless comments made on this channel and even listed in the comments below in this video confirm, many are buying Ford Lightnings at or below the price of a comparably spec'ed ICE F-150. I myself bought my standard range Lightning for $1,400 less than the xlt gas base model. And yes, many people get incentives. So what? You can't make a case that something is more expensive to the buyer when it's not. I did a Build and Price on a Lightning vs. a comparable xlt gas in both Canada and the US in my video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gn-xpXqmnKZmo9k 2) This one is complete bunk. The reason the Lightning won truck of the year by both Car & Driver and Motortrend, and why people are going to extremes with them is that these things are built like bricks. Ford knew it had to out-build the ICE truck to alleviate buyer fears. The entire underbody is insanely armour plated, the locking diff works perfectly, and the off-road mode provides a huge amount of important off-road, real-time data to the driver. My F-150 Lightning spends a LOT of time on forestry and mining roads, rough water bars, and often bush whacking with no road. My neighbour uses his in the bush full time, working on some of the wildest alpine, and sub-alpine regions in our province, and Teck Corp.'s fleet at their mining facility beats the living crap out of their trucks and they stand up as good if not better than any comparable ICE trucks right out of the factory - with zero mods. So wherever you heard this, check your sources. It is complete garbage. 3) Excellent point. It's not entirely accurate but partially so. I tow and haul with mine almost daily. Many owners do - but all short haul. However, almost ALL ICE truck owners - 87% of them - NEVER use their trucks to tow, so this only applies to about 15%, maybe 20% of all truck owners, if I'm being generous. Those folks - at least for the next few years, should never consider an ev truck for long haul or towing, which I have pointed out numerous times in my other videos. Good for any potential truck buyer to know - but as I point out in these two videos, that is about to become as false or misleading as the previous two points: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnywiolsnp2bb5o kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2e8qpWqrJKYq5Y 4) Yes! Excellent point! Please - shout it from the rooftops! 100% correct. And there's no damned mechanics available either. The Lighting is easy to mod. I have a friedn who just put a suspension lift and winch/pull bar on his, but the Cybertruck is incredibly limited, as is the Rivian. Both modifying and easily fixing an ev truck, this is a HUGE issue and the industry needs to loosen its tight grip on serviceability and expand on the Right To Repair every vehicle owner is entitled to. BIG setback. And just to add another unapologetic plug, I roasted the Cybertruck as an Off-road option because of this. Because you are enjoying yourself so much, here's a link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5O6Xoyslt9qfKM (NOTE - The Hummer EV is a joke of epic proportions - literally - and should be taxed into obsolescence. You have my total agreement) 5) This point is complete FUD. Countless readily available and heavily peer-reviewed research shows that ICE vehicles - even with tires, production processes, rare earth mineral extraction, and water use create a fraction of the environmental damage and emissions as the extraction, processing, refining of just the fossil fuels, not even factoring in the creation of the combustion vehicles themselves. This one is beyond laughable and still gets circulated even though it has been debunked and addressed ad nauseam. 6) Although your point of the severity of the fire is partially correct, ICE vehicles are 8x more likely to catch fire than an EV. IN fact, government stats put that well over ten-fold that number! The most dangerous vehicle you can drive as far as risk of injury or death is and ICE vehicle - by a massive spread! Here's more reading: electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/ The charging network is not what 90% of ev owners, including truck owners use. The only times these are the method of charging is on road trips, whcih both Canadians and Americans average 4~6 times per year. I drive 800kms back and forth to Vancouver every few months, and there are chargers everywhere. They sucks and are sometimes slow, but my last two trips were free. In my ranger that same trip cost me $200 one-way. To promote their private charging systems many companies are offering free chargin for a limited time to get people to use their systems over others. On top of that, my adapter from Ford just shipped and I will have full access to Tesla's super charging network, which is literally everywhere, so again, yeah - no. An F-250 and an F-350 weigh more than my truck. A Cadillac Escalade and a Chevy Suburban weigh more then my truck. This argument is full of holes. The battery FUD is getting so tired. Both GM and Ford's EV trucks have modular batteries so you never have to replace the entire pack, come with insanely long warranties (I have an extended on mine to 200K kms) and the data is showing that batteries are NOT degrading anywhere near the fear-monger rates being quoted. You raise excellent points though that one MUST weigh in the long-term costs of replacement vs. an ICE truck - and for many, an ev truck doesn't make sense. But ev trucks - for about 70~80% of all current truck owners - based on their usage and application - make perfect sense. So, your original sweeping one-liner that ev trucks are the 'stupidest idea ever in the first place' is outright false for a large percentage of truck folk. Now - that was fun! More than enough 'chops' 🙂. I actually really appreciated your response. Happy you came back with some real 'meat and potatoes'!

[@niacal4nia]

Trump supporter?

[@truckedupevs]

Drivel-filled troll?