Why is everyone saying Juno is weak? | OW2 Reddit Questions #48

[@Reynos06]

Honestly biggest problem ive noticed with juno is lack of visual for the healing. You see burst from bap right click, kiriko talismans flying, moira spray, etc.... but nothing for juno. Ive seen dozens of games where juno has over 10k heals but people still yelling that they arent healing just because they dont realize when she shoots them.

[@sunray501]

That's been the normal experience for a long time for me. Mercy is the only healing teammates have noticed and don't argue over. Bap or ana? They often have to check the scoreboard. I always do much more healing than damage, but they're still checking on scoreboard cause they also see me dps a bit :/ I'd like more healing indicators across the board please (audio and/or visual)

[@-L1K-]

Yea, they need to increase healing indicator for her. I got randos screaming for heals when I’m literally shooting them already. Goofy af.

[@Chmmr]

i think a more distinct sound queue like LW heal could help

[@Casuuuual]

One thing I noticed from watching a frogger stream is he actually uses the leaderboard to see respawn timers to know exactly when to engage and where key targets are.

[@YayaxTakuya]

I feel like Juno is actually pretty good if you use the speed ring to engage or get your team mates out. You can also get a surprising amount of healing and kills.

[@LUCKIPUP]

this, the amount of junos i diff by simply speed ringing my tank and teammates on the main angle while i try to control the backline and off angle is insane

[@farshajdifrinak9027]

I really like her, it's like a more fun lucio to me. I only find her to be bad versus sombra, a good sombra gets a free kill on juno, she just falls over

[@SunnyExMusic]

“i think juno is good if you play her how she’s supposed to be played”

[@thiefpotato2759]

She can be good. Its just that her counters are easier to pick up. I always swap the second I see Sombra because you will just get deleted and you are gonna get tilted/play worse.

[@swiizzie5220]

literally just play w your tank/team. i speed boosted my team out an orisa alt

[@bobothebob4716]

Juno's good if you have teamwork and someone to peel. Which doesn't happen in ladder. Better to just play something that can 2 tap all the flankers out there like kiri bap, or lucio.

[@ImaTroper]

This is why I don't really like seeing Juno as the other support. I end up having to babysit her, which is fine if I'm brig, since that's what she's for, but if I'm anyone else it becomes a chore constantly swivelling to make sure she isn't being eaten by a sombra or a tracer.

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

Like Zen, she has no defense, but unlike Zen, she needs to play in the front to provide value, beyond just healbotting (which she isn't that good at). So her value depends on the rest of the team being good enough to keep up the offense. Meaning, she's only good in a team that doesn't need to rely on her in the first place.

[@RantKid]

That's why I love playing Ana in so queue. I can just use "communication" by sitting back and watching who doesn't know how to position themselves and supports the one who do

[@thiefpotato2759]

Tbh I dont think Juno is bad, but shes not one of the best supports imo. Juno struggles against overbuffed Sombra + Dva/Winston.

[@jackobatgaming]

Juno is a little like Lifeweaver. People can make them work, but they aren't GOOD. They don't bring anything you need, and there are supports that bring a lot more value. I'm tired of people repeating the belief that speed is "one of the best abilities in the game." Lol, sure, the streamer you heard say that plays in games where top tier players can use speed to converge on someone and make huge plays, but in 99% of YOUR games (of most people's games) speed isn't doing anywhere near as much for you as a Discord orb would, or res, or damage boost, or anti heal, or any of the far more reliable support utilities in the game. The problem is that speed requires your team to DO something with it. Speed alone doesn't bring value. But anti heal doesn't need anyone else to give it value. Utility that brings value no matter what your team does is just straight up better for 95% of players in 95% of games and Juno doesn't bring ANY of that. 95% of the time in most people's games, Juno's speed boost is just shaving a second or so off of their run to the objective. It certainly isn't being used to dive focus onto a slightly out of position enemy that snowballs into a win, because there isn't that kind of team play happening lol.

[@ilyes2352]

The issue is that her utility is very weak compared to lucio, bap, ana, brig, zen, kiri and the support category I feel is cut in two, the "meta" supports and the ones that aren't ( mercy, lifeweaver, moira and illari on the better side ) the issue is not juno herself is that there is simply ALWAYS a better option than using her. Which is why people say she is weak, she doesn't bring anything new to the table, unlike kiriko for example.

[@Glurfl]

oh no same thumbnail

[@kingoverseas9052]

Is it a reupload?

[@larry702]

​@@kingoverseas9052New video but same thumbnail as last, presumably just used the wrong picture by accident

[@simoncucho]

"Oh no" why exactly?

[@artilire]

oh no!

[@masonk3122]

Who cares

[@iamdavid16]

I'm gonna start yelling the callout "WIDOW NO VENOM MINE!!!"

[@0dcsauce]

Juno has the same issue as Lucio. Only good if the team is good. Her survivability is legit if against non mobile hero’s. Low damage and healing output though. Her ult is a team fight win though, very similar to kiri ult. BUT mostly only useful when a certain point capture is needed. Shes a brawl support for sure.

[@warspite_4715]

I feel like the main thing with Juno feeling weak is less on her kit and more so on her being easy to counter, she easily loses out to both poke and dive DPSes, especially with some dive heroes getting major buffs this season. She really pops off in brawl and can help her other support bail out of bad situations if they are like ana/bap/zen, but it's also true that she is kinda forced to healbot and play extremely safe on sniper maps playing into Ashe/Widow with her significant damage fall off. I really didn't understand the fire rate nerf when it was one of the major skill expression of this hero, demanding good tracking to make good use of her weapon. I feel her damage falloff distance could also be buffed a bit, without directly buffing her damage numbers.

[@swiizzie5220]

frogger definitely isn’t doing that all the time ☠️☠️ he’s dying

[@liammbiscwit]

Worst thing is the person said they was masters but couldn't even understand the basic concept of highlights or even comprehend what flogger does

[@AlphaXY13]

I honestly think the mentality of her being weak is just a case of Juno actually being balanced upon release, rather than being overly strong or downright overpowered like nearly every other OW2 hero was on their respective releases. Due to this, she might feel "weaker" from a new hero sense because in reality she's just "good" and isn't immediately top tier like many other new heroes were. Though it doesn't help that some of her biggest counter picks are currently some of the strongest heroes in the game at the moment.

[@ZeginMakesMusic]

As a Moira main, I can murder Juno in less than 3 seconds, no matter what she does.

[@calebmills6051]

type beat

[@gl8862]

No you can't

[@LUCKIPUP]

@@ZeginMakesMusic if she has her auto aim cd and she just backs up you’re getting clipped

[@jackobatgaming]

@@LUCKIPUP Lol, in what world? Auto aim takes like 2 seconds before you take damage between clicking the ability and the impact, and Moira can take cover to avoid the hit, or just fade to ignore it. Moira could KILL Juno in that 2 seconds as well if she's thrown a damage orb and is sucking her health away. Juno has can't head shot and she can't reliably get off torpedos. There's a chance Juno can run, but she certainly isn't winning that fight in an even skill match up.

[@LUCKIPUP]

@@jackobatgaming im playing ranged enough where you as moira are going to have to spend your fade anyways to even get close enough to me to do dmg

[@ricocarpenter2189]

Ive had a lot of fun playing Juno but she's very difficult. Her shots arent as easy to hit as other support and unlike other aim intesive supports like Bap or Kiri, she doesnt get a lot of reward from hitting said shots. Her mobility is amazing but a lot of her biggest threats (dive characters) are able to keep up and easily kill her. Her ult is doesnt charge fast and is difficult to get value out of do to its small radius and lack of team coordination in metal ranks.

[@griffionow1468]

If you are banned on a false positive, you will not only experience how shit the in game report system is, but you will also learn how shit blizz's entire support system is as it is also automated. Even if you appeal, you will be gaslit by an automated message affirming that they "did an investigation" and "their initial findings are confirmed." You'll bet this like 3-4 times before a real person may even attempt to help you. It is honestly sad and pathetic on Blizzard's part.

[@SarthakShrivastava_0608]

very true

[@ekothesilent9456]

Literally made me lose me mind, they had me convinced I was the bad guy in a social situation after I got flamed, cussed out, and then mass reported by a party of 3, just because I sucked at the game. Appealed my ban, just to have robots and automated messages say “we investigated the voice logs and accompanying screenshots, our initial decision is valid” bs.

[@giovannyyyy]

For the dude who asked the frogger question, frogger has like a 40-45% winrate lmao

[@Seducier]

Why hasnt sombra been deleted from the game yet?

[@surand_5733]

Well she has some pretty hard counters. Some supports can out heal her damage and save them from virus or the insta kill combo. Also some dps are good against her sym, torb, cass, and sa few more are problematic if played correctly. Also if you don't pick those heroes or have a peel tank, then play with your team. Sombra can't get away with what she does if people look at her and shoot. Granted, going against high level or good Sombra players it's more difficult but there's no reason to outright hate her or want her deleted. P.S. I'm a Sombra main on console. Hope the tips help.

[@markburdancer]

When I play heals, I hate her. I'm sombra main on dps loool 😆 she is posion

[@LAZUL111]

The 2 sec buff on her glider is the reason i played her cause before it was too hard surviving

[@DaffyTaffy93]

Why does Juno feel weak? Because she doesn’t have a you can’t kill me or my Allies button.

[@blahblah49000]

Seriously. What is this, a character without a "HAHA U CANT TOUCH THIS" button? No UNDO button? One that can actually be punished for making mistakes (sort of)? Well, just wait for the first Juno rework, she'll have a "blast your almost dead teammate or self up into space where you'll be safe with Doomfist until you heal" button.

[@DaffyTaffy93]

@@blahblah49000 lmao right!! A support with actual counter play it’s so refreshing heck you even have to hit your shots??

[@d4mephisto]

dva is a menace, but all the tanks are. I can't play more than 1 or 2 matches as DPS or Support before feeling like, "Welp, that was... fun? I think? Anyway, gonna log out now" lol

[@storm___]

And dva gets obliterated by zar sym easily. Especially if zar bubbles the sym and you have lucio or juno speed boost. Its crazy how strong she can be and them instantly is not able to play the game because certain characters were picked.

[@BabaYa9a]

⁠@@storm___you can counter a casual dva player with this. But an experienced one will burst symmetra and outplay zarya from HG. Without bubbles or with one Zarya is more than killable for Dva.

[@Frozoken]

Nope as a dps she's by far the worst. Her head hit box is so small on top of her mobility, highest health pool and defence matrix so she is wayyyy too hard to kill. The other tanks I can burst down much easier as cass by hitting headshot after headshot like winston, the 2nd strongest tank rn. That being said I still agree with your general point that tanks are too strong as a whole, it's just that dva is somehow still significantly worse imo but I presume ur a support player so you dont have the DM issue dps have too.

[@eyasluna2303]

IMO blizzard should change their mentality on balance changes, buffing some heroes does not also need to come with nerf on some heroes because there is a hidden “balance points” for each patch. What worries me the most is those random trivial buffs to some heroes and when these buffs accumulated enough, it will only snowball and cause more harm than good.

[@stormRed]

If you play too badly you're a troll, if you play too well you're a hacker, no in-between.

[@mystical4519]

Bro what? 😂

[@stormRed]

@@mystical4519 According to the other players in a lot of games.

[@Jamie_Ashe]

@@mystical4519people deff tell me I’m hacking with Juno. These are real things people say for whatever reason

[@velocityhdmi8140]

Hacker is a compliment

[@masteryeom]

No, you don't necessarily win more in QP! I got diamond 5 after placement this season after the reset, been jumping up and down between plat 4 to diamond 4 as support, averaging plat 1. When I play QP, I got an average winrate of 30% at best, but I can get 8-10 games losing streaks, hard to recover from that. The problem I've seen in QP lately is the extreme team diffs, in season 6-7 I very rarely encountered new accounts or bronze players in QP, now it's every other game. I do understand que times and all in QP, but it needs some sort of balancing, because I average just slightly above 50% in comp, but instead somewhere between 25-30% winrate in QP.

[@blahblah49000]

This is also my experience. Have played OW since OW1 beta. Don't have a lot of time to grind ranked, but play at around diamond-masters. On a day when I don't feel super tryhard, I can solo queue QP and have a 12 game losing streak (this just happened last session), where every game has highly coordinated 4-5 stacks on the other team, and my team gets spawn camped no matter what I do. Then I give up and switch to competitive and have games where I go 22:1 on tank and stuff the other team into their spawn 3 games in a row. But in the QP games, there are players on the other team that have KDRs below 1, Mercy players who AFK behind a wall, etc, and they get the win. They could take their hands off of the controls and still get a win, but my teams can't get a win 12 games in a row. It seems like a large part of the problem is crossplay. Every game that has console players in it is ruined, regardless of which team they are on. If there's one console player in the game and it's on the other team, it's a coordinated 5 stack and we lose. If there are 3 console players on my team and none on the other, my team is a bunch of drunk/high noobs and we get stomped by 5 randos. If there are 3 console players on the other team, my team gets PC players who can't aim as well with a mouse as the console players can with a controller, and we lose. And if you make a single comment about "ugh, another crossplay game," you log in next time with a chat ban, because the hiveminds who group across PC and console mass report you. QP is virtually unplayable now. Sometimes I just don't feel like putting my SR on the line, or I just want to warm up first, but QP is so bad that it's not even worth playing. Blizzard sucks.

[@masteryeom]

@@blahblah49000 I agree on everything! Played 6 games today, 1-5, 4 straight losses, all losses is like facing GM while my team are bronze 5 in comparison! There is nothing fun in that! Then watching streamers japping about nonsense is even more provoking! But I guess, don't bite the hand that feeds you! Edit 1-7 now, 7 straight losses... Yes KarQ, QP is great!!!!

[@blahblah49000]

@@masteryeom Seriously. I've watched all the unranked-to-GM series by players like Awkward and Yeatle and Cloudy. I'd love to watch them play some QP matches on tank on my account, and watch the losing streaks they would go on when they have small children, drunks, and stoners on their team, against fully coordinated stacks on the other. Yesterday I played a few QP games. I went 27:1 on Junkrat on Hollywood attack, but we still lost because my team couldn't push the cart the last 4 meters after the other team went Orisa. Next game I played tank, and the Junkrat on my team went 0:7. He then proceeded to accuse me of throwing and told the other team to report me. I watched the replay, and he was constantly 1v5ing the other team between teamfights, trying to 1v1 full-energy, full-HP Zaryas, etc. So I gave up on QP and played comp for a few matches. Played tank on King's Row, held them to 2 points on defense. On offense we rolled the other team quickly, looking like an easy win...until the other tank went Orisa. After that, the rest of the match was fortified Orisa with double hard-pockets, and we couldn't get the cart the last 3 meters. I outplayed everyone by a wide margin, but it didn't matter, because they picked Orisa. But the next game we got Hanaoka and totally rolled the other team, and my team's Pharah went 19:2. The bottom line is that nearly nothing you do as a player matters. Every match is decided by the matchmaker. If you get idiots on your team, you lose. If the other team gets the idiots, you win. If other team picks OP heroes, they win. If your team picks OP heroes, you win. If you despise the OP heroes and want nothing to do with them, you are a punching bag for the other team. The game is in an awful state. And, realize that Blizzard just BUFFED ORISA. To think they get paid to sit around and think about what stat changes they should make in the next patch...

[@dairyq123_YT]

juno is not weak. the people playing here are just bad. i’ve dropped the most healing while initiating team fights with almost every speed ring. her ult is very good for healing and the missiles are so good. on top of that, i can also do the same amount as damage as my dps are as long as you land some good missiles. just got to be very aware of your environment and what the teams are both doing

[@NattsXD]

She is good, it's just that there's better supports that can get more value than Juno does

[@enjoygary]

Does Juno counter anyone? That’s why I think she feels so weak. Every support counters someone hard but I can’t think of anyone Juno can shut down.

[@prismescape1887]

Question I've been thinking about lately: What support is best to play into Zarya? I know Moira gets good use of her abilities in the matchup, but I want a more clutch cooldown to use (Anti, Sleep, Discord, Speed boost). What would people say works well for them when they see an enemy Zarya?

[@brad7928]

As someone who plays Zarya a lot in higher ranks. I often get pushed into bad situations by Lucios. Usually though it’s hard to punish a zarya unless she has low bubbles in bad positioning. Best case is for you to track her bubble count and alert your team to when she’s empty. I’ve always found that if your scream in voice chat “ZAR NO BUBBLE” everyone magically starts shooting her.

[@kurnte]

I basically learned every hero because I played very casually and just mystery heroes

[@BabaYa9a]

Why do we need any supports when Ana, Bap, Kiri, Zen, Illari, Beig and Lucio in the game?

[@velocityhdmi8140]

Yeah I don't get why the community wants more we have enough

[@JC-dc7eb]

My duo and I have been running Winston + Juno and we are dominating. It’s an amazing pair, idk what you’re talking about! 70+ winrate with 48 wins on Winston

[@Chorongy-]

Juno is great, there's just one problem in most ranks. The sombra buff, yes she's weaker but can keep up with Juno really well. If you're team doesn't help it takes max 2 seconds before she kills you. Unlike most supports you don't have an ability to interrupt hack, you're flight gets cancelled. You lack dps to outpace her, by the time you have you're ring up you're already at 20 hp. It's too free

[@jamesstrain1631]

Dva needs to be nerfed worse than Brig. It's ridiculous

[@dannyboi024]

Dvas not op rn you just suck

[@Vizorfam]

Stay away from my lovely tank!! Buff dva !

[@pretty.billy.]

Agreed

[@leandrecook179]

@@Vizorfamhell no

[@bobothebob4716]

Knowing the OW2 team, she'll be like sojourn. Dominating the ladder for 9 seasons, then nerfed to obscurity.

[@lincolnaszhal5527]

I once got my name changed a year ago (can't remember what it was), and when I appeal about it, Blizzard uses those automated responses for each comment I made back. After that day, I never trusted Blizzard with anything else. Not only that, the toxicity of some Overwatch players is so extreme, I believe Blizzard has to use these automated responses to alleviate their time consumption for who knows what.

[@blahblah49000]

Blizzard has designed a game that treats players (customers) like employees, and appeals to the most toxic people online. It puts competitive players who just want to play with people who just want to play online dressup and roleplay. It naturally creates the most toxic game environment I've ever seen. And then on top of that, they let the inmates run the asylum, so if these hateful, toxic people don't like you, you'll get banned, instead of the people who are actually the problem. (I was recently told, by the same player, in two consecutive games, in public match chat, to off myself in colorful ways. I reported him multiple times. Did I get a "we banned someone" message next time I logged in? Nope. But a few days later, my own account was silenced, because I had complained about crossplay in QP games, and people who are grouped with their console buddies really take offense to that.)

[@MrOnionRing]

I love these videos cuz I always come across these Reddit threads beforehand so when karQ discusses it I’m like oh yeah this again and I love his expertise

[@GalenMarekOfficial]

Juno isnt weak, it just takes skill to make her kit work. But once it works its insane. Meanwhile Sombra needs a hard nerf, every single mid DPS player defaults to sombra after dying 2x and ends up deleting people with her even in diamond, her skill ceiling isvway too low which makes her abusable

[@KalleDemos666]

Her skill ceiling is as low as Pharah, Reaper, Cass, Ashe who currently dominate the meta, saying she needs a nerf when we still have 1shot Roadhog, Hanzo and Junk is insane.

[@HoziTube]

IMO doomfist is the best tank vs Dva. He can punch her out of matrix, block her rockets, chase her if she runs, and block her ult and kill her before she gets back into mech. I only play doom but dvas always been my fav tank to play against. Started playing ow a year ago and I’m plat

[@manafomar2449]

The glide boost needs some verticality.

[@ddayMOBBIN]

Crazy, I did my placements the day the patch released and I only got clash once and maybe a second time in the following 10 games

[@Just_Xita]

The biggest issue was the fire rate changes and the fact she can’t shoot or do anything else while locking on targets with her rocket

[@THEpicND]

I swear tho for froggers case its a ping diff. I think the lag unironically works in his favor

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

With the wave respawn, i once saw a sombra have like a 25 second respawn, because they died, then shortly after 1 team died, so on and so on and it ended in like a double length respawn for the sombra

[@beximus]

that's not possible. the maximum amount of time anybody can wait is 12 seconds. it would have to have been a serious glitch

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

@@beximus it was still a super long respawn, might have been tripping

[@beximus]

@@BabyWolf-qj3sp Maybe you weren't. If you got the replay check it and see. It could be a bug that the dev team needs to know about. It's still a fairly new feature and could have low chance issues.

[@BabyWolf-qj3sp]

@@beximus it was a hot bit ago, so no i def dont have it, but hey still the fact that wave spawn will increase spawn timers to fufill is weird to me

[@Kaobaraa]

@@BabyWolf-qj3sp Wave respawns does not increase spawn timers. When you're the first person to respawn, the countdown is set to 12. If no one joins you, the timer is decreased by 2 seconds, so you respawn in 10 seconds. If someone else joins you, their timer is set to be equal to yours, but your timer counts down from what it originally was normally.

[@DVAMEKAGK]

Literally carrying matches here with Juno love her.

[@zenicwave3696]

Juno's good with her healing like kind of strong, but I don't know about her ult.

[@jackobatgaming]

IMO it's not that her healing is strong so much as she doesn't have anything much to do except heal and throw out rando torpdoes now and then. She's too fragile so trying for some damage from a flank angle always carries some risk. If you ant that playstyle you are just better on Kiriko, Lucio, or Moira who do both better damage, have self heals AND more reliable escapes. So since Juno can't really do that well, she heal bots a lot. Any support would out up strong healing numbers if that is all they did, but most supports can more easily make other plays and NOT do that.

[@HoodieProduction]

I feel like she has a similar problem that lifeweaver has, her kit feels clunky and a little counterintuitive. She has a lot of good poke abilities but then her movement abilities are kinda weird to get used to.

[@-L1K-]

I think Juno is great. If people play like a team, Juno is super cozy to play. She is tough to play against Tracer and current buffed Sombra.

[@karatikid1234]

The report system is so annoying. I dont join voice because im mostly deaf and i dont type at all because i never see a point, unless its truly needed, but im never toxic. And i have been banned for "communication" twice now

[@karatikid1234]

I put a ticket in and someone finally responded saying i was toxic in voice

[@blahblah49000]

@@karatikid1234 Blizzard is just another big, fat, lying megacorp. They're liars, and it's as simple as that.

[@MJyoung35]

25% win-rate in Bronze and feeling like the game is overestimating you in Bronze is crazy Wild.

[@Somejaun]

I’ve been playing her and doing relatively well but I always feel like I could do a bit more if I just swapped, like she’s not bad just everyone else is better

[@rohitavadhani6995]

Juno is a good character. But feels like she is ideal in a good dive composition, especially with a tracer.

[@artimist0315]

What I really don't understand with people complaining about Juno is pretending her healing or damage are weak. She does both more healing and damage than Ana, yet people complained as if she had the stats of Mercy. And her primary fire is one of the most reliable source of healing in the game, especially with all the positions she can take. Her hitscan healing instantly for an objectively good amount from very far away is honestly something unmatched in the support category as the rest of the role is either more limited in range, positioning and healing amount. 109 damage per burst is also nothing to scoff at, Illari headshots used to be 112,5 before the nerf and currently is 105. In my opinion the only blackspot on her kit right now is her secondary fire. In cool-down it is similar to anti-nade and biotic orb yet it's far less versatile and reliable and sometimes feel like it's even worst than just shooting with primary fire which is very bad for a primary fire. It sucks because the ability is really fun to use and could be very effective but the way it locks on makes it extremely unreliable both as a mean of damage and healing and the effect is just a bit underwhelming considering the cool-down and opportunity cost. Quality of life changes so it charges faster on allies, travel faster and track enemies better are a good start, and I think letting the ability locked on targets that aren't on the Juno screen but still have los would be great but I honestly think they should add something to the ability because right now the effect itself is underwhelming.

[@blazefactor6849]

The answer is pretty simple, Ana has burst, a scope, and no falloff. A bit of a brain teaser for you: which character is getting more value, Soldier shooting endlessly into the enemy tank who doesn't die, or Tracer bursting down the support that's healing them? The answer is Tracer, despite the fact that Soldier is outputting more damage. Damage numbers alone don't tell the full story, the context of the damage is far more important. In this sense, Ana might be slightly weaker than Juno in terms of raw damage, but she's got the edge in terms of burst potential, range, and reliability. That makes her significantly more lethal in the long run. Also, a lot of Juno's kit is deeply underwhelming. Her mobility is kind of garbage, she really isn't much of a threat, and her ult is one of the worst in the game. She needs some serious changes.

[@sinanuygur5273]

Juno is great, as a tank I love a Juno on my team. Good utility, also I gotta protect her alot, but its worth it. New Hero, players still need to get used to it.

[@WhereIsYourID]

Shes SO fun to use and I actually feel like im playing 3D chess with her. So much movement and I can control the tempo of the game

[@-cactus.raven-]

Honestly love playing doom with Juno

[@charly.9613]

Whoever says juno is bad or her damage is bad is just because of your aim, combining her torpedoes and aim will finish up the job, once you get used to her you will find ways to get away from fights and be agile with her, since she has great mobility also, you just have to get used to her alts and know what to do in every situation. Manage to always find ways to get more damage than my teams assault so for me you just have to have really good aim and know how to actually step away from the fight. She is fairly decent and can kill anyone if used correctly

[@johnkeable5304]

As a Kiriko main I’m really upset with them turning the headshot multiplier down to only 2x. She is still solid but with the slow projectile speed it is hard enough to hit headshots consistently. It’s completely ridiculous that you can’t kill dps and supports with 2 headshots 🤬

[@nickve777]

least obvious ragebait

[@BabaYa9a]

Being able to 2 tap would be fair, if she didn't have 2 of the best survivability supports in the game. Make suzu cleanse without invincibility and 2 tap will be fine. She is also one of the easiest supports in the game

[@Black-Knight007]

Juno is okay just damage isnt there with dropoff but if she had her old firerate or zen kick she would be strong.

[@pretty.billy.]

She is my favorite character now. I feel like she is very strong how she is.

[@Bigworm699]

I really enjoy the clash gamemode unlike push

[@metallikalm4336]

People saying Juno is weak pick her against sombra, tracer, and Dva. 100% Who wants to pick Brig against full poke? Mercy without flying or hitscans on her team? Except for one tricks.

[@ultimateblue2197]

Did that first guy said low heal mercy. As a mercy main I take offense to that's considering I always beat everyone in the lobby for heals. And Juno kinda does suck atleast on playstation/xbox

[@BabaYa9a]

No matter numbers, if you can't save a low hp tank with healing it's low. Mercy isn't capable of doing it better than most other flex supprots

[@ultimateblue2197]

@@BabaYa9a ok gotcha 👌

[@yabito]

Imo sombra gameplay is not fun to play against. Being hack in the back is too low skill. Sombra needs more risk vs reward skill. More time to cast or shorter distance to hack or longer distance to be detected. Or even another hero with a "firewall" skill to resist and/or purge hacks. Devs should share the stats for hack, i think the effectivity is close to 100%

[@slandergames9494]

I think juno is good. She's super weak to flankers and anyone that actually decides to target her but so is zen. We really don't need her to be OP just a few quality of life changes and she's good.

[@Lúci-o-ohs]

Juno isn't bad and that's the reality

[@Megggazap]

People call her useless because she isnt meta

[@DaffyTaffy93]

People call weak because she doesn’t have a im unkillable button

[@storm___]

​@@DaffyTaffy93in comparison to other supports that would be correct. Theres a reason why people have always said kiri is strong no matter what even though technically she a low win rate.

[@Cloverz08]

Simply put, Juno isn’t weak, she’s just very counterable

[@jackobatgaming]

She's very counterable and she doesn't bring any utility. And before people say "she brings speed, which is the best utility in the game," NO. Speed is the best in organized play. 99% of people play in solo queue where speed is of very limited value. REAL utility is something that helps your team win fights and brings consistant value every fight, every game. People in forums don't cry "nerf speed boost." They cry "nerf Discord orb. Nerf anti heal. Nerf res. Nerf suzu. Nerf damage boost. Nerf Immortality Field." etc THOSE abilities help swing team fights. Juno can't duel because torpedos are too slow and not big enough damage anyways, she can't self heal, and she can't head shot. She poses no threat. She'll never make any dps think twice about engaging on her. Her damage numbers on the scoreboard are padded by the chip damage from torpedos. It's the same as the tickle of damage from a Moira damage orb thrown randomly in the enemy team's direction, that sometimes gets a kill.

[@juniormii]

I dont think she's weak. I just think she offers nothing unique to the team. I have never seen "oh we won that game because she did this or did that." Even her ult is underwhelming like why would we want to group up for a small boost. All the heros that can make use out of the dmg boost don't want to stay in one spot

[@trejecra9909]

Reinhard no fir strike

[@waleed7523]

13:13 rein is the only answer to dva. Rein is the answer to everything

[@Mediterranian1]

I love Juno so far. Idk abt weak since i am in low elo. I managed to get out of silver and get to gold using Juno lol

[@jackobatgaming]

Hot Take: Defense Matrix is WAY OP as an ability. People complain about Suzu, but as an ability that just denies other people being able to play the game DM is worse. It eats not only damage but enemy healing, ults, and a wide nuber of basic abilities, and worse it's not like you can play around it by baiting it out and then having it on cooldown. She can use it frequently and ALSO always save enough to stop important abilities. A highly mobile tank with low cool downs that can burst down targets and stop nearly everything is extremely frustrating to play into. Also, I enjoy that she has the unique ability to "die" (demech) and then keep playing until she can re-enter mech, but allowing her to Ult after the mech reaches zero feels unfair as it makes space and basically gives her an instant free extra life (which she can call down on top of people to kill them.) No other hero can ult after reaching zero HP, and her mech shouldn't either. At best, make her ult button become a booster ejection seat for that fraction of a second where she currently ults, and instead let her "baby" form shoot off in a direction to give her a chance at fighting on and re-meching later.

[@storm___]

Dva is so easy if you go zarya sym. Literally she gets counterwatched easy. Just most people dont wanna play those characters.

[@sadmuhammadali2908]

People say she's bad cus people are bad at her rn she's okay but on the weaker side imo

[@Zomudda]

ive been saying this, juno is mid af speed ring should give more speed. medi blaster sucks needs to head shot even if it was a 1.25 time headshot. she is easy to kill. her ult sucks compared to other supports ult.

[@gobbogimbo5364]

What a coincidence, i was just asking myself why everyone calls her weak, im having a blast with her

[@Vizorfam]

What mouse dpi and in game sensitivity you play her?

[@i.r.weasel7042]

The healbots are calling her weak.

[@kamentine]

Do you play with others? She's absolutely horrible 9 times out of 10, especially solo. That's not to say I don't get good stats with her, but it feels like any other support would be better; everything that makes her unique can be done better by other supps. Even Zen. She just feels weak and clunky right now, and can't protect herself at all besides using her speed ring selfishly (hence why I asked you if you play with a premade)

[@shnitzel9052]

@@i.r.weasel7042 No? The ones calling her weak by far are high mmr players running the current dive meta, or just understand there are better supports atm. She's not weak, like KarQ said, slighter above average, but the higher tier supports are just better. No reason to play her when Bap, Lucio, Kiri, etc. exist and are better in ladder (need less peeling) ofc play whoever u have fun with, but in terms of strength

[@SocialExperiment232]

She’s the kind of character that is just a bit more difficult. If she gets more needs she’s gonna be impossible. I’ve been having a blast with her and I’m sick of everyone’s crying. They’re gonna over buff her then everyone’s gonna be crying that she’s too strong.

[@RemedieX]

Juno is strong, players suck. They buffed her recently and now broke her lol. So tired of unnecessary creep in this game for the sake of making a hero easy to use. Speed ring is extremely valuable, her damage is respectable and not having to swap to it is good, her healing is high, hitbox among the smallest, and if you are a mobility freak, you can 100% make yourself a nightmare even for pros to hit. She's easily a snowball hero, hit or miss, but if you try to force her into every situation like so many players are doing, then ofc she's gonna feel "weak." Like dang, let me Zen into Sombra, Winston/DVa, Genji, that'll be fun! C'mon folks. Aside from the fact that there's nerfs to be had, It's simply not good to act like a Mercy player who never swaps and plays unto the worse comps while playing with her team in the worst combination possible. I've played Juno many times as I went from Master to GM again this season, she enables coordinated snowball's HARD. And her ult is arguably one of the best and could be overtuned with how fast she can get it now.

[@ml03_ow]

Juno is not weak. Nobody just doesnt know how to play her

[@ericgion8795]

they need to buff genji, he cant kill anything unless they have to skill level of gold or below and even if he does a mora just chases him down and out dps him lmao

[@redman0027]

I feel like what you should have said to that bronze player is "play against ai" or "play arcade". Like you can't expect someone who is getting their ass killed asking if its going to get any better that they should get a feel for all the characters moves and the maps. That sounds like an insane ask to not lose constantly, this game probably just isn't for them in that case.

[@blahblah49000]

Seriously. If they're that bad, they're probably just new to FPS games, overwhelmed by the stimuli, having a hard time moving their character and understanding their position in the virtual world. They just need time to grok the basics. Competitive mode is the worst place for them. They will permanently tank their SR and that account will never have a chance to get out of bronze.

[@BabaYa9a]

@@blahblah49000or they have a bad PC setup ☝️

[@matthewbrears2129]

Juno needs friendly aim assist on console like Ana. It's so hard to heal anyone with mobility. And with no chance to defend herself, she dies instantly to any flankers. Sombra needs removing from the game btw lol

[@frozenfury0]

She has friendly aa it's set to 0 as default just learned about this recently

[@NattsXD]

She does have an option to activate aim assist on allies tho

[@matthewbrears2129]

@@NattsXD this must have been a recent addition because there was an aim assist but not friendly aim assist - it’s two different settings on Ana

[@matthewbrears2129]

@@NattsXD found it! Not sure why it’s under hero & hud and not with the other aim assist under controls. Thanks people

[@101darkchaos]

she is weak af if the enemy team has a flanker and you got no peel your pretty much screwed

[@revenge3265]

Juno is just mid to me. Not very strong but not very weak either.

[@tris1049]

She is totally not weak. I’ve had matches with zero deaths because of her mobility, out healed fellow and enemy healers, sometimes got more kills than both Dps. If you just hit your shots, she’s really strong in both healing and damage

[@jackobatgaming]

None of that means anything. Lifeweaver from the beginning had both high healing and usually low deaths, and but that was a symptom of the problem. He didn't die because he was so easily dived he HAD to play ultra safe, and since he didn't do damage there was nothing he could do EXCEPT heal bot. The reality is ANY support can put up monster healing numbers if they just heal, but just healing LOSES games compared to supports who can put out damage and have other worthwhile abilities to use to help swing a team fight. Also Juno has "high kills" the same way Moira does. Moira throws out random damage orbs that USUALLY do next to nothing (chip damage the enemy team just heals up,) but it earns her assists for adding little of value, and sometimes snipes a lucky kill on a low health target completely by accident. Juno is the same, except replace damage orb with rando torpedo damage. Half the time if she gets a torpedo kill it was on someone who was about to die anyways, and you just stole credit for the kill.

[@liammbiscwit]

She is not "really strong" in healing or damage... and 0 deaths mean nothing, anyone can get 0 deaths on any hero. Not to mention "kills" doesn't mean much either, you can get 3 damage on multiple enemies and you'll get a kill for each one so it doesn't mean much without context. Just sounds like you're not really qualified to say. Shes okay ish but not sure what games you're playing

[@grahamvandervechte4876]

Juno cant duel at all she honestly loses a 1v1 against a LW probably even mercy her dps is her biggest problem if she could headshot something bap can do while healing and has lamp. Honeatly dont get how she cant duel while characters like bap ana illari kiri exist in support category and juno isnt allowed to headshot or even heal herself. Im a support main and enjoy playing Juno but man she is lacking alot of carry potenial in her kit. Just let her headshot thats it.

[@Dovakinskywalker]

Clash is cool but putting it into ranked immediately is the stupidest shit they could have done

[@storm___]

Clash is an awful gamemode. Another gamemode L from blizzard.

[@Gerolix]

​@@storm___nah clash is fun as hell

[@storm___]

@@Gerolix lol

[@blahblah49000]

@@storm___ Clash has potential, but as it is, it's like a constant teamfight with no breaks. It's exhausting. And it's very hard to come back from losing the first point, harder than in any other mode. The problem now is that the maps have already had their art passes, so if they wanted to move the points farther apart, they'd have to do serious reworks of the maps. They should have hired good playtesters from the community and figured this out before doing the art passes, but they're too proud to do that, because they're "professional game designers" who don't need help from people who ACTUALLY PLAY THEIR GAMES.

[@BabaYa9a]

@@Gerolixthe map design isn't good. If you leave the flank you are immediately in open space. Also,I master I usually allow enemy to cap last point if we have a better economy and 2points advantage. For 8 years in overwatch I would never thought, that i n order to win a match I have to allow an enemy capture a point having advantage. This game mode doesn't fit the competitive aspect of the game. Let it be like LHC and Paris in ow1. QP only

[@elkosins1686]

I report people for cheating whenever they type ez

[@luiegiii]

Buff idea: Give her a shield when she is charging her homing attack and allow her to shoot her main pistol while auto-locking.

[@Mathan_6_95]

Na.

[@NattsXD]

no

[@yoboitony3302]

Bro thought it was the same video from last time lol

[@101joebro]

If you're trash and you don't try swapping characters, yes you were sabotaging the game if it was in ranjed.

[@tyrenace6597]

Juno is the only support I feel like I can confidently win 1v1s against as a Dps(besides Mercy)

[@Heemiez]

You lose to Weaver?

[@tyrenace6597]

@@Heemiez I can to him more then Juno, but your right not really in 1v1s

[@calebmills6051]

simply get good

[@CinnaKoko]

plese use dark mode

[@calebmills6051]

Ok but lets be honest junos ult is horribly designed, its incredibly awkward to use and gives very little control to the player as to where the ult goes. I think something like spilo recommended where the boost is attached to her body kinda like zen would be much better allowing the buff to be placed in the correct position based on where the juno player goes rather than just going in a straight line like it does now.

[@FernusTalks]

Wow

[@cuteaquass]

Honestly Juno is good the people saying she’s weak are in bronze. Her torpedo’s hit hard af. The real issue on the supports now is illari her primary hits very hard and her pilon is a 3rd healer Hopefully people realise the real things in the game

[@bobothebob4716]

Also to answer your question, yes you can be banned for gameplay sabotage. I was 6 month banned for that once (despite not throwing). I simply had a run of really bad games after my main hero was nerfed into the ground. Luckily it wasn't my main, so it was annoying but not a showstopper.

[@blahblah49000]

That's why I report every Widow and Sombra player, even on my own team, for gameplay sabotage. If Blizzard's going to lie and falsely ban people, then the whole system is nothing more than a popularity contest, so I'm going to use it to vote against the garbage I don't want to see in my games.

[@kill3rtravo]

You’ve gotta fix the background noise that’s in your room, it was driving me insane the entire video.

[@FENIX-zm4zj]

was gonna ask why nobody is talking about that. now i dont think im insane anymore, ty.

[@doublelizard767]

If we removed all supports except Mercy, Zen, Lucio, and Juno, the new girl would be 3rd worst. She can't do anything that Lucio can. But at least she isn't -value like Mercy is. Zenyatta is the goat.

[@calebmills6051]

ana and brig not being up there is a crime

[@doublelizard767]

@calebmills6051 Brig and Ana are too goated, Juno can't compete

[@TroyButtsoupBarnes42]

Juno is good, unless you have bad aim or don’t know how to play her.

[@Skasua]

Because once the enjoyment of a new season dies, there isn’t any reason to keep playing. OW1 gave you a loot box after every few games, so normally you’d say “I gotta finish 3 more games for my loot box”.

[@dylanmathew5387]

Loot boxes are not the answer

[@Skasua]

@@dylanmathew5387 Free Loot boxes are the answer.

[@mudkipprophet]

@@dylanmathew5387 apologies rewards. Believe it or not if you give a incentive to keep playing people will play.

[@dylanmathew5387]

@@mudkipprophet did you know the sky is blue and water can get you wet too

[@mudkipprophet]

@@dylanmathew5387 and did you know lootboxes fall under rewards therefore to an extent they are an answer?

[@mikemcg2828]

Hot take: a not-insignificant amount of players begging for 6v6 are using game format as a scapegoat for not being good at the game. I don’t even have a position on the topic, but most of the player base will be equally skilled and unhappy in either format

[@blahblah49000]

Then let's just make it 4v4 then. Why not? Same logic.

[@mikemcg2828]

@@blahblah49000dawg what 💀 I’m not arguing for either side lmao chill out

[@blahblah49000]

@@mikemcg2828 Hot take: a not-insignificant amount of players happy with 5v5 are using game format as a scapegoat for not being good at the game.

[@DKill757]

If you don’t think Juno is weak you’re just like me and you’re coping we will win one day

[@SunnyExMusic]

JUNOS ULT IS HORRIBLE WTF 😂😂😂 YOU LITERALLY JUST GET PUSHED OUT